public-chat

[sonic spruce]

I think I might be thinking of propane?

[spice pine]

Almost as if there are 3 states of matter or something

[sonic spruce]

Gas, liquid, solid, plasma

Or is plasma not matter?

[spice pine]

yeah technically four whoop de doo

you missed the point entirely

[sonic spruce]

Which was?

[pseudo mesa]

there's not only 4 if you want to get technical but 4 is fine for 8th grade science class

[spice pine]

Liquid nitrogen is just nitrogen (a gas at room temperatures) that has been cooled into a liquid, (really cold)

[sonic spruce]

Yes, that’s why it hurts when you get it in the skin

[spice pine]

I'm going to go slam my head against a wall for a bit and come back later.

[sonic spruce]

Ok have fun

[pseudo mesa]

leave some wall for me I'll need it later

[vapid cypress]

I'm inside your walls

[harsh quartz]

ill be honest, of all the jokes i expected to start shit, liquid nitrogen was not the joke i thought would do it

[lilac bear]

all comes out my ass

[harsh quartz]

ahh, someone had taco bell

[vapid cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/sun-solar-flares-fire-gif-12144374

You

[sick coral]

what program should i use to emulate android thats not bluestacks?

[graceful burrow]

windows subsystem for android

its not the most performant for 3d tasks tho

[sick coral]

on win 10

[graceful burrow]

bluestacks lol

[sick coral]

i refuse to install bluestacks

[graceful burrow]

why kek

[sick coral]

if i wantes to install spyware i would've installed ccleaner

[graceful burrow]

sounds like you're in the market for an android phone

also

doesnt want spyware
runs windows

[sick coral]

i dual boot atlas os alongside arch

[graceful burrow]

ah
the broken version of 10

[balmy anchor]

Nice

[vapid cypress]

I know where you live 😀

Because I live there

[balmy anchor]

Lool

11420 lol

I think once in an ssd video there were speeds of 11.420gigs

[vapid cypress]

Come back when you have 69420

[balmy anchor]

Nah its one day only

[lilac bear]

"I don't want spyware"

is on discord

[vapid cypress]

I love being watched 24/7 really calming 😊

[sick coral]

https://github.com/cinit/WSAPatch

[graceful burrow]

OK
So use it why tag me in it kek

I don't need it

[pliant karma]

lol found a dell optiplex sx260 in garage.

Pentium 4 most likely

[midnight mist]

Had to put this screw in a very precarious position. Stubby screwdriver ftw 🙂

[restive ice]

holy hell

my steelseries headset is shit

the piece holding the ear cup is broken and I hear out of the right side only

Its bluetooth too so there must be a loose wire

[midnight mist]

Holy hell. Sounds like you broke it?

[restive ice]

Actually it came damaged and I didn't get a reciept because best buy hires the worst workers

It came with a small crack when I purchased it who knows how many years ago

I just put it on and now the right speaker doesn't work

[indigo plume]

Will 850 be enough if I want to upgrade to 5000 series card I wonder

When they come

In liek a year or so

[indigo flume]

neat https://youtu.be/S4cnRLy2LTk?feature=shared

[midnight mist]

Sounds like it could be a broken wire inside. If you're handy with a soldering iron, it should be an easy fix

[restive ice]

Issue is I don't know how to open it

[elfin jetty]

How do yall feel about zotac 3080 tis?

Ive heard mixed things about zotac so i wanna make sure before i pull the trigger

[graceful burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/zotac-3080-gif-18549684

[graceful burrow]

I heard zotac 30 series tend to run hot but have nothing to back it up so

[fierce moth]

New server?

[midnight mist]

Probably some hidden screws or might be clipped together. Look online for takeapart photos or video

[elfin jetty]

Thats fair, their cooler design seems to be smaller than alot of other ones ive seen

[pliant karma]

too old lol

[dusty rune]

i hope u have a custom rom for ur phone

[pliant karma]

i am scrapping it

[elfin jetty]

I love turning old optiplexes into gaming pcs

They can be pretty good for the price

[dusty rune]

i think their vram cooling is dog?

[graceful burrow]

No clue

[midnight mist]

Just put stick-on heatsinks on them and it's much better anyway.. and that's only a few $ on amazon

[marsh carbon]

Lol my 12 year old hdd finally decided it was time

[restive ice]

oh my god

[marsh carbon]

Never would have guessed that would be the longest lasting part

[restive ice]

the other ear cup has another type of weird screw

[midnight mist]

Oh my 🍞

[polar fern]

“You are the product”

[elfin jetty]

Rtx 5050ti, take it or leave it

Seriously though i hope nvidia lowers their pricing

[graceful burrow]

That's a funny joke lol

[dusty rune]

i mean the question is, why would they]

[long briar]

nah

Nvidia was just projecting for inflation

[polar fern]

Who?

[long briar]

they saw it coming so they preraised their prices to be equivalent

[polar fern]

Inflation? What inflation?

that’s called price gouging

Or at the very least predatory opportunism

[long briar]

isn't that just capitalism?

[polar fern]

No that’s greed capitalism doesn’t necessarily need to involve greed

[long briar]

😬

[polar fern]

any company claiming to be raising prices due to “inflation” translate inflation to “wanting higher profit margins”

[long briar]

they didn't claim that

I was making a joke

every company raises prices when demand is there

[polar fern]

and anyone concerned about “the economy” translate economy to “rich people yacht money”

[long briar]

https://tenor.com/view/wooosh-dumb-gif-18787851

[polar fern]

I would also say that anyone focused on the stock market as any measure of anything is out of their minds because stock market is basically a rich person’s casino

[long briar]

You're taking this too seriously bud

Nvidia raised prices because they want money. End of story

[sick coral]

capitalism is built on greed

[polar fern]

Correct

No, it’s not

[long briar]

Yes it is

if it wasn't then communism is actually better

[polar fern]

Capitalism is a system of goods and services and currency.

Communism is a series of policies. It is not an economic system.

[long briar]

the key in capitalism is profit.

Commuism doesn't need an "economy" the way you see it now

true communism doesn't have a currency

[polar fern]

The key in capitalism is not profit. In fact, I would call profit a sign of inefficiency

[sick coral]

currency can exist in a communist society, believe it or not

[polar fern]

Thanks for the Mansplaining

[sick coral]

then what IS the key?

[long briar]

lol

I've never seen someone argue that profit isn't the key to capitalism

[polar fern]

The key to capitalism is a sustainable business model. The problem we have is that people keep trying to push unsustainable business models.

[gilded quest]

Modern day capitalism does not seem to prioritize sustainability

[long briar]

those are communist dictatorships, yes there's currency but it's still far more limited than capitalism. True communism doesn't have currency because everyone gets the same thing

[polar fern]

Profit is at least inefficiency and at worse theft.

[long briar]

sustainable business model

• Oil
• Lithium mining?
• Child labour

[graceful burrow]

Operagx

[indigo plume]

Well I'm done with corsair

[polar fern]

Those are not sustainable

[long briar]

Oh wow

[marsh carbon]

Negative externalities are a major issue

[long briar]

what brand of shoes do you wear

[desert blaze]

i read child labour

[polar fern]

@indigo plume their ship has sailed?

[long briar]

Hospitals... oh dear

I wonder what all of these have in common

[marsh carbon]

Revenue != profit

[long briar]

nono do you not notice something

revenue is not profit

[marsh carbon]

And what source is this

[full fossil]

im suprised Gacha Games arent #1

[jaunty compass]

it's that the top 4 are all medical

[long briar]

but top revenue just happens to be some really profitable indusstries

[long briar]

https://www.ibisworld.com/united-states/industry-trends/biggest-industries-by-revenue/

[jaunty compass]

well that too

they overcharge a fuck ton in order to get so much profit and revenue because usually they're negotiating with insurance companies

the insurance companies try to negotiate hospitals as low as possible so the hospitals start with a comically high overcharge price

[long briar]

and insurance companies are trying not to pay out

[marsh carbon]

https://fortune.com/2022/05/24/fortune-500-most-profitable-companies-apple-berkshire-amazon-google-microsoft/amp/

[jaunty compass]

the big issue is that they'll charge individuals that same overcharge price too, and most people don't know that they should try to haggle it down

it's a predatory as fuck system

[pseudo mesa]

The more I learn about American Healthcare the more fucked it is

[polar fern]

With most companies nowadays, one of the primary issues, is that the people who do the most work get paid the least. I would absolutely love to see a company function without their core employees.

[marsh carbon]

https://www.ibisworld.com/united-states/industry-trends/most-profitable-industries/

[jaunty compass]

it is utterly fucked; it is a completely for profit industry

[marsh carbon]

This is interesting

[polar fern]

It’s not healthcare.

[marsh carbon]

Healthcare doesnt even hit top 10 in profit

[long briar]

companies versus industries

[marsh carbon]

That one was industry

[polar fern]

I just saw one of the most hilarious things yet today

[pseudo mesa]

On multiple levels. Hospitals, insurance, pharmacies, etc. All with legislation that supports them like making it illegal for hospitals to be physician owned.

It's wild.

[weary gyro]

🍞

[pseudo mesa]

We live in a socialist society but corporations are the citizens.

[polar fern]

Crackers being referred to as “plant based snacks”. As if wheat is not a plant or something in other snack foods and potato chips? definitely have no potato in them.

[lilac bear]

United States be like

[jaunty compass]

that's really weird

[polar fern]

Yes, it is weird

[lilac bear]

who the fuck 😭

[polar fern]

chocolate covered wafers are also plant-based so again just so strange.

[weary gyro]

[polar fern]

But that’s marketing

[weary gyro]

Bred

[polar fern]

It says plant-based, so it must be better than the crackers that aren’t plant-based

[long briar]

I'm not well versed into the USA economy, but wasn't there this thing about Healthcare reportedly "investing" money into places that wasn't really benefitting the users, and that everyone who needs it relies on the insurance companies?

meanwhile the insurance companies don't want to pay out, so they pocket the cash

[polar fern]

BRB going to try and find some plant-based paper

[long briar]

which would be dairy free chocolate? so it's just dark chocolate?

[marsh carbon]

You can use an HSA as an investment account

[polar fern]

@long briar Cacao = plant

[long briar]

chocolate isn't just cacao

[polar fern]

Yes, I’m aware

[lapis solstice]

Oh so that's dark chocolate

[pseudo mesa]

Lol, it's wild. So there's things called prior authorizations, closed internal metrics, drug companies paying insurance companies to only authorize their drug over competitors...

[long briar]

yea if it's saying plant based chocolate, either it's plant based because the dairy fat inside of them isn't the main part of it, or it's dark chocolate

[polar fern]

No, you’re not understanding

[pseudo mesa]

I had to use two insurances to buy my asthma medication.

TWO INSURANCES

[long briar]

I mean like, look at butter

very commonly used and very much not plant based

[polar fern]

The wafer is made from either rice or wheat flour, and the chocolate comes from the cacao plant. The whole thing is “plant-based” 🤣

[pseudo mesa]

I PAY TWICE FOR INSURANCE, it's absolutely fucking absurd

[long briar]

yikes... I'm canadian so it's rather different

For me anyways we don't pay much less than y'all for insurance

but we also can trust that we will have the costs covered when we need it

ie not spending hundreds to ride an ambulance

[pseudo mesa]

Well, health insurance out of pocket is like $600/month

And goes up from there, and that's with a high deductible.

[polar fern]

It’s weird that they call it “health insurance” because eventually you’re going to need some sort of medical care. It’s just a fact of living

[pseudo mesa]

Just people trying to exploit others for money, a tale as old as time.

[polar fern]

The entire supposed healthcare insurance industry shouldn’t even exist

[long briar]

yea it's milk chocolate and chocolate without milk and whatever percentage is in between. 50-70% dark chocolate is pretty awesome

[vapid smelt]

The double dipping scum getting our tax money and our normal money

[polar fern]

Imagine how many stubby screwdrivers you could buy by not having to pay for healthcare insurance

[long briar]

well

it's really no better elsewhere

actually in China it's a fair bit better but that's a whole different issue

[polar fern]

Imagine china.

Pft.

[pseudo mesa]

it's way better elsewhere

[vapid smelt]

Id rather live" in the woods

[polar fern]

👀

[long briar]

in Canada you're also paying through your taxes (they also don't have a dedicated tax for this)

[polar fern]

Well, have fun in the woods man

[pseudo mesa]

My asthma medication they billed me $50 for costs $4 in other countries.

[lilac bear]

I'll make my own internet

[pseudo mesa]

That's after insurance

[polar fern]

@lilac bear will it be a series of tubes?

[vapid smelt]

Just be born with healthy lungs

[pseudo mesa]

And that's just one example that's related to me, which is wild because I don't even have that serious of medical issues.

[pseudo mesa]

I was the military fucked them up lmao

[long briar]

my younger brother had to stay in a hospital twice because of aesthma attacks. We never got cucked by costs

[polar fern]

Military more like fatal *** measuring club.

[pseudo mesa]

they paid for (and still pay for) school so who knows ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[polar fern]

glorified meat grinder

[pseudo mesa]

I wouldn't have been able to do school without them

[vapid smelt]

I have a deadly latex allergy so I can't join or be drafted

[long briar]

check your privilege and be grateful that you're ok now, it can change at any moment

that said

ever thought of wearing masks?

[polar fern]

That’s why the idea of health insurance is ridiculous

[pseudo mesa]

indeeeeeeeeed

[polar fern]

my health insurance plan is one where people who don’t need money make profits and I get very low quality medical care. 🫠

[vapid smelt]

I have other health issues like severe deadly allergies and high cholesterol and thyroid problems

[neon cedar]

Any mods I can speak with

[polar fern]

<@&750150305383186585> you there?

[vapid cypress]

me

[neon cedar]

Can I do it in dm?

[polar fern]

…

[vapid cypress]

....

[long briar]

you can message the warship

[tidal minnow]

Drink juice w me

[neon cedar]

It’s personal matter

[neon cedar]

Will that be mod mail?

[vapid cypress]

slurrrrrrrp

[polar fern]

@neon cedar they aren’t a moderator

[long briar]

if it's somethinig that happened in DMs, deal with it yourself. The mods here are mods here not your own life

[vapid cypress]

I was just being silly

[neon cedar]

lol

[neon cedar]

Ik I just need to speak with them

[polar fern]

The moderators are on the list to the right of the chat box

In pink/magenta

[neon cedar]

Will warship do modmail?

[polar fern]

No

[neon cedar]

Dam

[vapid smelt]

Idk they have a mod role

[vapid cypress]

Real

[neon cedar]

Looks real

[polar fern]

Sigh

[long briar]

yea... I'm fortunate enough to generally be pretty healthy. I'm 5'7, but I'm naturally muscular and have a high metabolism because of it... but I realize that at any moment I could lose it all to literally anything

[sullen lodge]

[vapid cypress]

Free Healthcare is pog

[polar fern]

@long briar -looks at pandemic stats- 😬

[vapid smelt]

I'll trade you some height for some of your high metabolism I'm 5"11

[long briar]

nah I'm content with being able to wear both medium and small clothes

but yea I didn't realize how well off I am right now until a bunch of people started asking me if I went to the gym (I don't)because of how I look

[polar fern]

-196 cm noises-

[long briar]

I'd have to look up to see your face... I'm 171

[vapid cypress]

It's so hard being tall 😞

And stuff

[vapid smelt]

But I want to be comfy in economy seats on planes you sure you don't want to trade?

[polar fern]

for some reason, Airplane seats aren’t really a problem for me

Usually, it’s the backseat of automobiles that are a problem

[long briar]

lool I took economy like a month ago, I had my backpack in the footwell and I was perfectly fine hahaha

[vapid smelt]

Taller torso?

[vapid cypress]

Small buses are a big problem

For me long legs

[long briar]

buses are also fine for me

[polar fern]

no, but airplanes have pretty decent headroom, unlike the back of some cars plus I’m not a little kid which the back of some cars is clearly designed to be occupied by

[tidal minnow]

Buses are weird for me. I usually just bike where I need to go.

[long briar]

there's actually a row of seats in some of the public transit buses here which are elevated somewhat... and my feet dangle off the seat if I sit all the way back cause my legs aren't long enough

[neon cedar]

Leg in seat

[polar fern]

I usually just stand on the bus.

[vapid smelt]

My 2004 Hyundai accent was a problem for me no adjustable wheel so I had to man spread to drive

[neon cedar]

lol

[polar fern]

Oh my gosh, those things are death traps. I’m glad you got rid of it

[vapid smelt]

It died on its own

[polar fern]

literally everyone I’ve ever heard of, that’s been in a crash in one of those things had to write off the damn car

[long briar]

here's a picture of my shoes dangling

[polar fern]

usually some sort of intrusion into the cabin along the floor as well

[tidal minnow]

Should I try and offer £45 for ryzen 5 3600 instead of the £55 someone is selling it at?

[long briar]

always do, worst they can say is no which you just say ok

[vapid cypress]

For free?

[tidal minnow]

Aka. The biggest anime plot twist

[vapid smelt]

I upgraded to a 1994 Oldsmobile cutlass, with super thin pillars great for visibility but I don't think I will survive a roll over

[long briar]

well it's my crusty crusty shoes which hurt to wear... and it's just me showing how my feet can't touch the ground if I sit in the chair properly

[polar fern]

Oh my

I spy a bus floor

[vapid cypress]

Oof

[polar fern]

Mhm.

[static veldt]

bread

[vapid cypress]

I splurged 100€ on a coat and pants today

[polar fern]

I’m le tired breh

[vapid cypress]

Go to le bed

[polar fern]

I will take a nap and then fire ze missiles

[vapid cypress]

[polar fern]

Kids these days

https://youtu.be/CSuc9o9h7Vw?

[vapid cypress]

French

Does anybody have a recipe for the perfect homemade iced tea?

The store bought is just 99% water but feels like nobody shares the recipe

[misty plover]

I really want the LTT screwdriver
Like
I cant afford it
Idk what im gonna do with it

But should that stop me?

[graceful burrow]

Yes

[midnight mist]

Yes

[lament magnet]

Anyone know an encoder or cipher that uses 5 characters per character and is related to fibbinachi

[jaunty compass]

Gaming

[low rain]

I somehow cut myself with a ruler in class today

[jaunty compass]

Probably the metal side

[low rain]

Me n my friends were playing with my ruler cause it’s super bendy and we were just flinging things around cause it was just us in the room and eventually I was like “why is there red on the ruler” and my friend said it was bloody so I looked at my finger and there was so much blood

[eager notch]

Do you like bus stuff?

[vapid cypress]

I got in trouble with my dorm 🥹

[pure olive]

?

[vapid cypress]

I showed up late and I got screamed at

[pure olive]

Haha that’s dumb

[vapid cypress]

Everyone has to be home at 10pm and I showed up at 11:48pm

[vapid cypress]

Yeah and im getting a youtube strike for it potentially aka 3 warnings and I'm out

Well It would be the first

Hopefully the guard has dementia and forgets

[pure lava]

shoeee

[gilded quest]

G5?

[jaunty compass]

yeah

i had it in my drawer

[graceful mortar]

should be fine right for 1440p 165hz??

[graceful mortar]

lay down like all the other Hyundai accident owners do

[graceful mortar]

i couldn't imagine standing for 16 hrs a day! (4hr on bus each way) instead i drive 40 minutes to work.

[shrewd sparrow]

A 1080ti with a therad ripper?

What drugs were you on when this abomination was created

[low rain]

I remember one time when I was like 12 my brother was talking ab how generous he is cause he would give homeless people money and I didn’t which ended with me giving someone like $50 js to show that I was generous but since I was 12 $50 was a lot so I spent like a lot of my money just to prove my brother wrong

[dusty rune]

its an old threadripper

they prob released at the same time lmao

[shrewd sparrow]

I know that but why a thread ripper

Just get another decent cpu for that price

[dusty rune]

yup same year

[shrewd sparrow]

Maybe even less since the mobo is like as expansive as the cpu prolly

[dusty rune]

maybe he needed one

[shrewd sparrow]

What price is it?

[dusty rune]

idk

[lilac bear]

Intel way more efficient

[shrewd sparrow]

Meh arguable

[dusty rune]

since when

[shrewd sparrow]

Since ryzen 3000 came out amd has been more efficient

[dusty rune]

prob a troll, wouldnt bother arguing

[shrewd sparrow]

Tbh 1000 and 2000 series kinda threw blows at intel but were cheaper

[shrewd sparrow]

Meh fair

[icy osprey]

Totally unrelated to the topic but nice pfp

[shrewd sparrow]

Thamk

[opal tide]

Anyone wanna hear a funny story

[shrewd sparrow]

It's a template

[opal tide]

My uni of like 15k students has a file called passwords.txt shared with everyone

It contains the root password for the whole org

[shrewd sparrow]

But I colored and re outlined it myself

[shrewd sparrow]

I love your pfp too

[graceful mortar]

yes. HEDT world.

[eager notch]

I'm Mr tech tips

[woven swallow]

WAN show tonight?

[cosmic copper]

yes

[eager notch]

Wen?

[cosmic copper]

its wan. nobody knows until it starts

[bronze hatch]

when does it start fr

[cosmic copper]

its supposed to start 7 minutes ago
https://whenplane.com

[lilac bear]

Maddison made LTT go bankrupt from the law suits

[gilded quest]

Wat

[woven swallow]

He's just trolling

[slim creek]

you must love that 1080 ti

[graceful mortar]

no good "80 class" upgrades for $699

[subtle tusk]

so... the state I live in doesn't have any name laws. anything flies.
welp.
"Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia (insert last name)" is such a beautiful name.
hm...
I prefer "First Middle Last (insert last name)" a tad bit more.

[graceful burrow]

4070ti on sale

[graceful mortar]

went from 580 to an intern 760 to a 1080TI

[slim creek]

he likes the number 80

[graceful burrow]

Muh 80

[graceful mortar]

current name vs correct (proper) naming
4090=4080ti
4080 ti=4080
4080=4070
4070=4060
4060=4050 (ti?)

(4080 ti doesnt exist)

so 4090 for $699 is what i am looking for

because 4090 is not a titan

[graceful burrow]

You're delusional you should be looking for a therapist not a new gpu

[graceful mortar]

i had a whoel ass rant a month ago about this

a titan 40 series is 48GB should cost $1283 inflation adjusted...

Titian Z (2x full 48gb dies) at $3850
 titan at $1283 for 48GB full die
4090 at $897
4080 at $832
4070 at $511
4060 at $319
exactly as it should be funny how that works. 
no SLI to hurt 80 sales with no dual 60's anymore either```

[gilded quest]

Titian Z

[graceful mortar]

you have to combine my 2 large comments

[gilded quest]

Titian

Titian

Nvidia titian

[lilac bear]

I love me some Tit Ians

[graceful mortar]

I'm aware. I just don't like being ripped off. the have PLENTY of cash flowing around. the are charging what they are because they feel like they can get away with it.

Like the Aston Martin Rapide pricing

battle mage is when ill finally cave and buy something. my GDDR5X is dying lol

[polar fern]

Guess I’m not buying it.

https://gameishard.gg/news/cities-skylines-2-faces-delay-and-revised-system-requirements-raising-concerns-about-performance/254140/#

[safe fiber]

Bread

[lilac bear]

it's weird seeing headline images made from AI

I'm used to shitty photoshop

[safe fiber]

Same lol

Like some shitty photoshop is more like human than some weird algorithm used to make images.

[lilac bear]

yeah and at least the photoshop one was at least like, the person put some effort into it
but with AI it's a lot more of the same effort to make a discord message

[safe fiber]

Literally

[jaunty compass]

terrible photoshops are funny

[chrome vector]

Shutup. I'm not crying, you're crying

[dusky jacinth]

And then because of it's randomness, if something needs to be fixed, but you don't want it try doing it over all over again if some of the results are more favored, you'd still have to go back through and edit stuff manually anyway.

[graceful burrow]

ive done both a lot of photoshop and video editing as well as ai stuff
people who think its just "hit button get image" are hilarious kek

[dusky jacinth]

Yeah, it's really not.

[graceful burrow]

they're both tools
you shouldnt be upset at the fact that it exists you should be upset at what its trained on

[dusky jacinth]

Even AI interpolation is no easy going matter either.

[dusky jacinth]

Yes.

Honestly, after doing some little animations with DAIN and RIFE, I can say that trying to go back through stuff to see what works and trying to adapt around it is... Kind of a weird experience.
It really feels like you're just trying to give it a better reference of what to do just by redrawing freehanded some of the frames it may have attempted to smooth things out.

And then it may still not anyway.

And of course, that's just DAIN. RIFE is outright worse because it also axes keyframes, even when you tell it not to, so the motion vectors or various details are completely missing and the animation ends up worse than it should be.

Though that's just my experience and others probably have figured out how to make it work. I dunno.

[graceful mortar]

okay. game is unique. soooo 🤷‍♀️

[graceful mortar]

yeah. i pray Arc B is good enough until prices fall back to earth.

most people dont have 130 HRS pay for a damn GPU when rent is ~180hr monthly.

[jaunty compass]

I want to grab an old framework motherboard and make a nucdeck

[dreamy rose]

Arc, Overhyped. i cant see it any other way.

i'd rather be wrong about Battlemage being shit than battlemage being good

[neon mesa]

Intel still has room to improve, and their literal first try on modern graphics architecture did decent

[dreamy rose]

it seems people believe Battlemage will improve drivers just as much as Alchemist did. and that's idiotic. yeah, it will absolutely have driver improvements. but the drivers are already this good and improved this much. there's not much more to Squeeze out.

[neon mesa]

There is, like arc's current performance (A770) is supposed to match 3070

[stray apex]

Battlemage needs to be good

[dusky jacinth]

The one thing we shouldn't expect is the drivers to be great right out the gate, honestly.

[neon mesa]

And i mean, we gave AMD shit tom of chances over the decade

[stray apex]

I may as well just give up on PC gaming if battlemage is bad

[dusky jacinth]

We should instead expect them to be release, be somewhat okay with hiccups here and there, and then overtime, they... Pull an AMD with driver support, just more consistent.

[neon mesa]

And driver issues are still a thing
Source: LTT's AMD pt2

Not some polaris stereotype

[stray apex]

I'd much prefer they pull an nvidia

[neon mesa]

I personally also felt my 6600xt was less stable than my 3060

[dusky jacinth]

AMD's been faster to address drivers for RDNA3 so far from what I've noticed.

[dreamy rose]

thats' up to you but i'd say its kinda dumb to do that, esp with Radeon shaping up to be intresting in RDNA 4 and 5

[dusky jacinth]

We've been getting updates in shorter time than they're usually able to churn them out from all I've heard.

[stray apex]

That's what we said about rdna1 and 2 and 3

[neon mesa]

AMD is always gonna do the "nvidia but worse then give slight discount"

[dusky jacinth]

And from what I've heard, they take nearly half a year or so originally.

[stray apex]

There will always be Radeon hype, and so far Radeon has never delivered

[neon mesa]

They've been tailgating nv for ages

[dusky jacinth]

Now they're managing month after month to get updates pushed out.

[stray apex]

Vega lmao

[pure olive]

I probably won't buy into rdna4

I'll probably get rdna5 flagship

I just bought a 7900xtx

[dusky jacinth]

And I have a 7900XT.

[neon mesa]

Either I pull the trigger on a 3080 or wait until 5000 series and used 4000 series drop

[dusky jacinth]

I can afford to wait even longer, especially because mine came later in the cycle.

[pure olive]

new driver rev cool

[dreamy rose]

They know what they should be doing. and if Nvidia is really digging deep into this Douchebag "Natve rendering is fake crap" attitude they have an easy few generations to take over.

[stray apex]

Nvidia is both leaning into AI rendering and shitting on AMD performance wise

[neon mesa]

Nvidia basically laid down, easy to beat the fuck out this generation

And AMD instead of stomping, laid next to nvidia

[dreamy rose]

its just Arc that might be a problem for em

[dusky jacinth]

The current one has actually managed to finally fix the high idle power draw for multi-monitor setups.

My 7900XT now sits at about under 50w idle with temps so low it's virtually silent.

Fans literally don't spin, while the hotspot is about between 45 and 50C.

[dusky jacinth]

Also, don't forget Nvidia "bet the farm on AI".

Plus the report out of their gaming division about where the funding has really been going to prove that.

[stray apex]

Nvidia has bet the farm on ai for the past twenty years

[dusky jacinth]

Which is funny because AMD also has been coming up with solutions that are also quite lucrative in the AI space.

[jaunty compass]

DLSS needs to be a driver level technology before it will really be the powerhouse they want imo

[dusky jacinth]

And even Intel is being considered by potential customers.

[stray apex]

Amd is hardly going to start outcompeting Nvidia now that nvidia's investment into dominating the ai space has started to pay off

[neon mesa]

DSR

[dusky jacinth]

I never heard of them doing so until things started taking off closer to now.

[jaunty compass]

The main problem is that nvidia's real money is from enterprise consumers

[stray apex]

Amd couldn't touch Nvidia for the past twenty years, you think they're going to beat Nvidia with crypto and ai money now?

[pliant karma]

welp another WT leak...this time on the AH-64D Apache though mostly technical manuals lol

[neon mesa]

We already have driver-level upscaler and they tend to suck because it's not tuned to the game

[dusky jacinth]

AI wasn't very big far back around the 2010s to my knowledge.

[jaunty compass]

They can completely ignore the normal consumers so long as they're the best option in enterprise

[stray apex]

Nvidia dominates in ai because they've been investing heavily in it for years and years

[dusky jacinth]

Yeah, for the same reason as the consumer space.

[dusky jacinth]

And only now do because Google, who dominated before them, apparently is still a no-show for anything new.

[stray apex]

People can say that they're going to buy amd or Intel for ai
That's nice
Where are you getting engineers who have experience with it
What software are you using
How's the compatability with existing infrastructure

[spice pine]

ew, AI

[stray apex]

It turns out that when one company has been the only game in town for like, twenty years

It's not that easy to switch

[neon mesa]

If you're a hobbyist who have the time cool.
But tinkering with AMD/Intel for AI is man-hours down the drain

For big companies

[stray apex]

Yeah, it's no accident that you could play with machine learning on cheap Nvidia gaming gpus

[dusky jacinth]

Who the hell even in the datacenter space wants to pay the ridiculous sums, in the middle of prosumer gpu shortage there, that Nvidia's asking?
Only the deepest pockets back in the crypto craze could afford tons of gpu pallets. In AI space, there's fewer contenders for that.

[stray apex]

Everyone lmao

[dreamy rose]

they really never care for the hand that feeds

[stray apex]

Where do you think all those a100s are going

[dusky jacinth]

No. Only the biggest can afford or want to justify it.

[pure olive]

datacenters

[dusky jacinth]

OpenAI and Microsoft.

As in those sort of companies.

With those kinds of deep pockets.

[stray apex]

Yes, and data centers rent out GPU time to other companies?

[dusky jacinth]

The rest of the AI companies and startups who want to have their own stuff have been turning to AMD and Intel apparently.

[stray apex]

Almost nobody actually runs their ai shit on their own hardware

You just find a datacenter that has the hardware

[graceful mortar]

Bread on WAN

Bread merch

[stray apex]

And rent from them

It turns out that running data centers is hard or something

[glossy crest]

Yall is risking $50 for a ‘broken’ gtx 1080 ti worth it?

[neon mesa]

Wrong, there's a reason MS Azure and others

If there's someone who can't afford the man-hours dealing with AMD/Intel problems it's the small guys

[dusky jacinth]

When faced with obstacles and no other way forwards, if they want it enough, they'll do whatever it takes to make it work.
Just like the open source world, which most of that is anyway.

[neon mesa]

And renting H100s happen to be cheaper

[stray apex]

Yes, meanwhile the companies that can hire top tier engineers and afford to use the best hardware and software are... doing that

[dusky jacinth]

IF they aren't already reserved by others competing for the same resources.

[dreamy rose]

Nvidia was just there first. not making the most sense

[stray apex]

Nvidia was and in many ways still is the only one that makes sense

[dreamy rose]

no. not true. AMDs stuff is damn good.

[dusky jacinth]

Google was there first, then went nearly radio silent. So Nvidia took over the field and held onto the market for the longest time.

[stray apex]

No it's not lmao

[lilac bear]

so far I haven't found anything that rivals Droidcam OBS in terms of stream quality
except maybe IP Webcam but that requires ipv6 to get any decent FPS

[stray apex]

Do you think corporations like nvidia

[neon mesa]

Raw compute is not the only factor

[stray apex]

Do you think some Microsoft accountant is out there running the numbers and going "gee, I love team green, amd killed my dog"

[jaunty compass]

that's the vibe nvidia fanboys give off

[neon mesa]

Yep if there's someone with zero brand loyalty that's corporations

Look at intel server space going down

If it makes sense, they'll take

[stray apex]

Yes, major tech companies are famously Nvidia fanboys

[jaunty compass]

they love nvidia

[spice pine]

team stinky green

[dusky jacinth]

AMD has a better chance at carving more of niche in that market than taking it from Nvidia though. That's one thing keeping them down.
The other one is that also there are companies like Tesla, Amazon, and recently even Microsoft who have also been trying to make their own AI chips for their own specific applications too, so it all depends on who AMD, let alone Intel can even get for a customer to make stuff for.

[dreamy rose]

Chiplets allow companies to pick and choose what they need and performance goes hella crazy, no clue what shit you're smokin but this is genuine good hardware

[stray apex]

Chiplets fucked rnda3 lmao

Maybe they'll be good later

But now is maybe not the best time to talk about Radeon chiplets

[dreamy rose]

we aren't talking consumer

[stray apex]

Yes, because radeon's computer has been so incredibly successful

[dreamy rose]

this is XDNA

[stray apex]

Remember uh
All those successful instinct products

[dusky jacinth]

CDNA might work out, but there's still time needed before that yields anymore substantial results.

[jaunty compass]

okay this is funny

I wasn't sure what I was looking at for a second

[dusky jacinth]

Oh.

[jaunty compass]

they 3d printed a nzxt case for the raspberry pi

teeny tiny

[dusky jacinth]

Ooohhh okay, now that is actually kinda neat.

[spice pine]

adorable

[stray apex]

Anyways
Please battlemage
You're my only hope

[jaunty compass]

I hope arc battlemage is good; I'll probably buy one if they are

[dusky jacinth]

I'm not holding my breath for next gen from everything and everyone honestly.

Unless they wow me, I think I'm serviced well as is.

[lilac bear]

based

[jaunty compass]

I just like having more tech to play with

realistically I don't need more than my 6600 xt right now

[dusky jacinth]

My 7900XT is actually more than I even considered getting too.

I was aiming originally for the 7700XT or 7800XT.

[crystal flare]

gentlemen, it is with great pleasure that i inform you that i got a graphics card for my rig and a new psu.

[dusky jacinth]

But I have no regrets with what I got.

[jaunty compass]

my little cousin who doesn't play shit except people playground and clone drone in the danger zone has a 7900 xt

[dusky jacinth]

B o i

[dreamy rose]

all we need is Nvidia being embarrassed by choosing to focus on DLSS instead of actual performance.

[jaunty compass]

it's my fault; he had me spec out his build and I fit the best hardware I could in his budget

[dusky jacinth]

Lol.

[stray apex]

What the fuck are you talking about
The performance delta between AMD and Nvidia is bigger this gen than last gen

[dusky jacinth]

I didn't do that to my little brother at least.
I had him stay within reason of what he could afford.

[crystal flare]

and i 100% completed Psychonauts on pc, something 8 year old me tried and failed.

[stray apex]

6900xt was actually more or less parity with 3090 in raster

[jaunty compass]

He asked me for guidance on what prebuilt to get, I decided that i'd make a part list and build it for him as his birthday gift since I didn't have money to actually give him anything

[stray apex]

Now we're getting rumors that amd isn't even going to try a flagship next gen

Does that sound like amd is catching up to you

[dusky jacinth]

Because they're playing the smart route, which they figured out after releasing RDNA3.

Said smart route that Intel succeeded on and Nvidia just... Doesn't care about.

[stray apex]

The smart route of abandoning the high end market again, which they tried for three and a half generations straight?

[dusky jacinth]

The smart route of actually making something the majority of buyers actually want.

[jaunty compass]

the high end market really is smaller than most people think

[stray apex]

Except they haven't
Adoption numbers are godawful

[dusky jacinth]

It really is, yes.

[crystal flare]

are you keeping up with the commodore? cause the commodore is keeping up with you!

[dreamy rose]

not having N41 doesn't sound the best sure, but we don't know shit about how it all performs so people should be holding off calling it a DOA generation.

[stray apex]

Given how Radeon has performed the past decade, I'm not holding my breath

[dreamy rose]

and its all going to focus on RDNA 5 Anyway.

[jaunty compass]

I just buy whatever is a good value

and does what i need it to do

[stray apex]

Like, normally rumors of Radeon are that they're finally gonna catch up to nvidia

So now rumors are that they won't even do that

Bruh
Not even the rumors are saying that they'll succeed this time

So
Like
They're probably fucked, then

[glossy crest]

guys is risking $50 aud for a ‘broken’ gtx 1080 ti worth it?

[jaunty compass]

depends but probably not

[dreamy rose]

i just told you to to hold off on the "DOA Generation" bias. do you not listen?

[glossy crest]

How much are you willing to negotiate for it?

[jaunty compass]

it depends on how it's broken and if it looks like it has been worked on before

[dusky jacinth]

No, but there's also chance Nvidia's risk could end with them screwing themselves over again.
Will that happen? We don't know, since the AI space is way more unpredictable than the crypto space.

[jaunty compass]

it's not as simple as the price

[dusky jacinth]

There is literally no telling at all where that part of the industry will go.

[dreamy rose]

it could be a far better outcome than your bias will allow you to see. and well. Performance isn't something that has to be a focus on high end.

going down to focus on a mid range and low end battle while letting your next move cook is a valid strategy

[stray apex]

What risk
Nvidia has been advancing graphics tech just fine
Even if the ai bubble bursts, their graphics tech is still currently superior to anything else in the market

[jaunty compass]

looking at how things are right now; I honestly can't say buying a PC is even worth it if you just want to play games

because the ports have been so bad that even the highest end hardware gets you a stuttery poor experience

[glossy crest]

Its listed as not sure, might be the pcb

what do you think, worth it?

[jaunty compass]

I'd need to see pictures to answer that

[dusky jacinth]

Yeah, and as far as this generation in consumer space goes, they also screwed things up enough to where they almost saw their sales slow to stand still, even on their last gen products.

[dreamy rose]

theres a lot more to playing games than just todays hot releases.

[jaunty compass]

I'm talking about just new games specifically

the prices on new hardware are just so high for such poor value and such a poor experience it's crazy

[dreamy rose]

yes but they specifically don't make it "not worth getting into PC Gaming"

[dusky jacinth]

And then made all their partners nearly lose it with them, while also losing one of their major partners at the same time (EVGA).
That doesn't say AMD or Intel have it better, though it also doesn't mean Nvidia's exactly scott free either this time around.

[dreamy rose]

its always been worth getting into PC Gaming. PCs play everything.

[jaunty compass]

I didn't say it wasn't worth getting into pc gaming, I said it's not worth buying a PC right now if you just want to play games

specifically right now

[dusky jacinth]

This would normally be something they can shrug off and everyone would forget about with other times they had issues like that, but after EVGA quit and the fiasco with the 40 series launch, they can't pull stupid crap all over again while in the middle of putting all their eggs into one basket.

[dreamy rose]

you still have a backlog of 40 years of games for the platform, including every console version and exclusive title from before current gen.

[dreamy rose]

hell, even other computer systems.

Apple I, Apple II, Macintosh, Powermac, PET, Vic 20, Commodore 64, Amiga, Atari ST. theres a fuckload of ports and versions of games to throw at a PC.

[dusky jacinth]

Yeah, mostly because rock bottom pricing was a month and half ago. Lol.

[dreamy rose]

literally never not worth throwing money at a PC And playing literally whatever you want to

and for the majority you don't need to throw 1600 dollars at an Unjustifiable 4090.

[stray apex]

The 4070ti has outsold every single rdna3 card
Like
Again
Radeon is not having a good time

[dusky jacinth]

This is Steam's hardware survey.

[polar fern]

If you think you need a 4090 to play a game, you might think you need a Ferrari to hop down to the corner store to get eggs & bubble gum.

[stray apex]

The bestselling rdna3 card is the xtx at .24

[dreamy rose]

its people picking brand over the product. people dont give a fuck how good the product is they just buy the big name

[dusky jacinth]

The best selling Radeon card period is an RX 570, the runner up being the Vega 8 igpu, and third and fourth places being the 5700XT and 6700XT.

[polar fern]

@dreamy rose an hour of homework is worth 💰

[dreamy rose]

its how you get people buying the newest iPhone every year. granted they think it makes them look cooler too. (it makes you look like a dumbass thats what it does)

[stray apex]

Yes, and all of those underperform dramatically vs Nvidia cards

[lyric sphinx]

Where my tnt2 at

[dreamy rose]

take us back to the mid 90s where everyone was making graphics cards.

[dusky jacinth]

And yet, that's not the part that mattered anyway.
The part that mattered was what people could justify buying.

[stray apex]

Which is apparently not Radeon cards

[dusky jacinth]

Like seriously, Nvidia has there own example of this at the top of that survey to prove it.

[sturdy ibex]

[lethal jay]

Idk. Nvida cards run games. Amd cards run games. Intel cards run games. Buy whatever, the 5% more fps doesn't matter

[polar fern]

Meanwhile uses a rx6650xt

[dusky jacinth]

And it's something for certain that is cheap, which is what matters.

[sturdy ibex]

as a vfx artist I am very happy that NVidia goes overboard on ridiculous graphics cards

[dreamy rose]

hot take but people can absolutely justify buying a Radeon over a GeForce, but listen to some coomer pea brain acting like 10 years ago is a perfect analogue to modern day

[dusky jacinth]

Uuuhh no. That's not really the point.

The point is it's all they know of and other places it, it's really all they can get a hold of at all.

[stray apex]

Uh, there are like 40% as many people who own a 3080 vs a 3060
It's not that different

[lethal jay]

The biggest reasons why I choose between amd/Nvidia is shipping times. Price and performance don't matter a whole lot when both options are good

[dusky jacinth]

My little brother right now has been stationed in South Korea and from what he describes about the gpu market there, it's predominantly Nvidia cards.

[polar fern]

Graphics cards from years ago? How about 20 years ago…

[dusky jacinth]

To get anything AMD or really anything else at all, you have to go more into the bigger cities.

[dreamy rose]

there are countless videos about switching to Radeon. doing a lot of work that "Nvidia is better" at. and having the time of their lives realising that the crap AMD gets has been going undeserved for so long at this point

[stray apex]

That is literally everywhere

[stray apex]

Uh, it's only been since around 2022 that Radeon has been a reasonable choice recently

[dusky jacinth]

And what do those two have in common versus their 40 series equivalents?

[stray apex]

They are three years older lmao

[dusky jacinth]

They are cheaper.

[polar fern]

Use less watts too

[dusky jacinth]

Not really.

But that's aside the point.

[dreamy rose]

36

[stray apex]

Yeah, and they're also vastly older

[polar fern]

Nice

[dusky jacinth]

And people don't care.

It's what they can afford.

And what they can justify.

[stray apex]

If you genuinely cannot understand why a card that's existed for three years is adopted in greater numbers you might be beyond help

[dusky jacinth]

So... Where's the justification in going a flagship if all the majority wants is just something they can actually afford?

[dusky jacinth]

More like you've lost sight of the topic that I'm actually trying to adhere to.

[dreamy rose]

they can AFFORD a Radeon and they can JUSTIFY a Radeon. they DONT buy a Radeon they buy the closest green equal

[dreamy rose]

not really, its been a reasonable choice for a little longer than that. but yeah its taken a while to get here.

[dusky jacinth]

I'm basically giving a point to why AMD is playing smart by not making a flagship gpu for next gen.

[stray apex]

I have no idea what you think the topic is
Radeon is still getting clapped by Nvidia this gen

[polar fern]

Amazon has a $15 off discount on the graphics card I got 🤔

[lethal jay]

The real question is could you possibly hand solder one of these together if given all the components?

[stray apex]

No, it only made sense once rdna2 prices dropped

[dreamy rose]

you mean Nvidia is getting clapped by radeon? they really got that 7800XT price matched with the 4060Ti 16GB Clowncar upershitfest laughingstock edition

[stray apex]

Except they're not lmao
They did that for years and it didn't do shit

[dusky jacinth]

The point is... Cheaper sells more than high-end, and if it's good enough to be better than the previous gen, then for the price, it's justifiable for most.

[stray apex]

Ah yes
The 6800xt 2 vs the 3060ti shit value edition

[polar fern]

If anyone been waiting to buy they got a coupon going

[dreamy rose]

maybe. i mean its not outside the realm of possiblity someone makes a clone of such vintage hardware. some guy did that with a rare CD drive iirc.

[stray apex]

Except that doesn't work if you want to gain mind share and market share

[dusky jacinth]

It doesn't necessarily mean they have to try and topple Green n' Mean's marketshare, it's we know they won't. All they need to do is just... Sell, and that's it.

[dreamy rose]

it needed a card that basically didnt exist anymore so they cloned it

[stray apex]

Amd tried
They tried with the 480, the 580, the 5700xt, the 6700xt

It doesn't work

[polar fern]

TLDR: Nvidia stuff succ.

[stray apex]

Radeon's position has only gotten worse since the 580 days

At least a significant number of people owned one

[dreamy rose]

its a joke on Nvidia because they actually sell this shit

[dusky jacinth]

Then explain how they managed to move all their RDNA2 stock before even Nvidia could calm down their partners over moving their excess 30 series stock.

[lethal jay]

I feel like intel and Amd are always fighting for "the fastest cpu" or "the most cores", not because either will sell amazingly but having the title gives brand recognition, and if they have the "best" cpu, surely everything else they do is "best in category"

[dusky jacinth]

If it doesn't work, then it wouldn't have happened.

[spice pine]

wait is this guy actually shilling for nvidia

[dreamy rose]

the survey is updating within the next few days, we'll see where Radeon takes up

[dusky jacinth]

Clearly something actually worked in AMD's favor and they sold, even if they didn't get much from it in profits either, due to it being old stock.

[dreamy rose]

its almost like the brand recongition lead us to 4 years of 14NM Garbage

[dusky jacinth]

The point there was they actually managed to get rid of it all, discounted at actually reasonable prices people were willing to pay.

[lethal jay]

i7-8700k was the last of the great intel cpu's

[polar fern]

If someone buy a thing without looking into if it makes sense & only because “it’s the best” not a conscientious consumer & their purchase decisions should honestly be ignored.

[lethal jay]

Sadly that seems to be how most people shop

[polar fern]

🤷‍♂️

[restive ice]

holy shit fuck steelseries

[lethal jay]

I thought their mice were pretty decent?

[restive ice]

my headset goes from no audio in the right ear cup, to not being able to turn on to not turning on within 5 minutes

[polar fern]

I can’t imagine not doing a fuckton of homework before buying/recommending

[restive ice]

the cable they provide are weaker than swiss cheese in a jointer

[dreamy rose]

its pathetic that's how people shop. this is how we get shit on like the 40 series absolute insuts to the intelegence of the consumer

and the thing is people still fall for it.

[polar fern]

Swiss cheese in a jointer. Sounds messy.

[dreamy rose]

people are actually just buying garbage because of its name

[lethal jay]

As far as Gpu's go, its less than most products due to the sort of people buying expensive gpus are more likely to do homework. Laptops are 100x worse

[polar fern]

An informed customer is harder to sell to.

[manic torrent]

people "fall" for things they are told because they are people who are being decieved. That is not THEIR failing

[dreamy rose]

an Uninformed customer is a problem to everyone in the space.

[polar fern]

Yes

[dusky jacinth]

Unfortunately though, you can't always sway people even when it seems reasonable because you also have to accept that it doesn't always work for everyone.
Most people also have an absolute expectation of everything working right out of the box, mostly because it's an expensive purchase and a lot of people don't actually want to go through tons of troubleshooting with their hardware.

[stray apex]

Uh
What?

[dreamy rose]

its their failing to not do research when buying into a product.

[stray apex]

I just got one of my friends to buy a 6600 last week, too

[manic torrent]

6600XT is EOL, 6650XT

[manic torrent]

yes, consumers are at fault, not the multi billion dollar businesses specifically lying to people

[lethal jay]

False advertising and bending the truth to favour your own marketing happens, and comapnies more than likely spend millions researching how to better trick the consumer

[polar fern]

@stray apex

[stray apex]

Yeah, my friend got a 6600 off Amazon for like $200 recently

[polar fern]

Nice.

[stray apex]

They definitely haven't moved them all

[polar fern]

This has 2 left in stock

First time I’ve seen low stock indicator

[stray apex]

There's still plenty of 6800xt for ~$500 on Newegg too

[dusky jacinth]

Even with QoL issues, one thing Nvidia manages to somehow accomplish often is making things work on Day 1. And despite really when people should moreso consider the end result before taking the whole beginning and middle into account, it's hard to ignore.
Arc is easily a modern example of that. Almost no one could recommend getting an Arc card at all at launch because of all the problems. It took till now before that no longer became an issue, so now all that's left is software compatibility and minor experience bugs.
And I bet because of that first day rep, most people still can't justify them anyway outside of those of us who really wanted to mess with them.

[polar fern]

Wonder if cdw has any

[dreamy rose]

did you ever stop to use logic for a second? it happens because people DONT do research and they get to lie.

[polar fern]

Hurm

[dusky jacinth]

Because we'll buy even crap they give us anyway, no matter what anyone says or does?

[dreamy rose]

its not the companies fault people don't bother to look at reviews or numbers. its the Customers that enable it

[stray apex]

Why should they do research?
AMD hasn't presented a product that's objectively better in
I don't even know how long

[polar fern]

The 6650 & 6900 are both backorder

[dreamy rose]

7800XT is superior to the 4060Ti.

they are price competitors. you cant say they haven't made superior products. High end sure. but again. thats not everything

[stray apex]

Is it, though?

In raw price to raster, sure

[polar fern]

🤔 https://www.cdw.com/product/pny-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-12gb-verto-led-triple-fan-graphics-card-geforce/7296000

[stray apex]

But is it really better than a 4070 on sale for $550?

[dusky jacinth]

Technically, an Arc A770 16 gig is superior to both if you want something both different for once and is cheap enough to toy around with. Lmao.
Doesn't mean it actually is better, it's just the best different thing that exists worth getting.

[dreamy rose]

yes, because RT is still a gimmick absolutely not worth picking one over the other for.

[lethal jay]

Honestly if intel ever release a next generation to compete with 5000 series I might get one as an upgrade for my 3060. Just for fun, and just to play with all 3 gpu companies

[stray apex]

RT is actually pretty common in new AAA releases

[dreamy rose]

DLSS is as good as Useless and AMD has everything they need on the software side

[dusky jacinth]

CUDA, TensorFlow (that still supports hardware tensor), OptiX, and Unreal Engine aren't gimmicks though to most people.

[stray apex]

Cope lmao

[dreamy rose]

it aint cope its a fact,

[stray apex]

DLSS is basically free frames
Why do you think AMD and Intel both developed their own versions

[dreamy rose]

everything is using FSR.

[lethal jay]

Dlss is pretty pog to get story games running at 1440p 60fps

[dusky jacinth]

Uuuhhh no?

In fact, everything is using more basic algorithmic upscalers.

[dreamy rose]

Consoles are using FSR. thats the main place games are made for

[dusky jacinth]

Not really. They just use framerate capping.

Console hardware can push high framerates, but current game design makes it harder to accomplish on more limited hardware in a stable fashion.

[dreamy rose]

they absolutely use FSR. you think those boxes are actually gonna be pushing 4K and 8K native just as the marketing wants people to believe?

[dusky jacinth]

Plus, most game studios or devs that aren't triple or double A can't justify the risk of going high detail on fidelity.

Therefore, they can afford to keep pushing better framerates in their games by just having everything built to be lower detail than the bigger budget games by default.

[stray apex]

No, they just run at 900p like they always do

What do you think they're running on the iphone

[dusky jacinth]

No, they use pre-existing upscalers.

[dreamy rose]

AND, use FSR to UPSCALE said titles to said resolutions.

[dusky jacinth]

Usually ones built into the engines they choose.

[stray apex]

They've been doing this long before fsr was a twinkle in nvidia's eye

[dusky jacinth]

I know Unreal even has their own upscaling algorithm, which most games use anyway.

[dusky jacinth]

Referring to NIS, right?

That's an oldie upscaler too, made by Nvidia.

[stray apex]

I'm just joking about how amd is constantly following whatever Nvidia is doing

Kind of like apple and everyone else, I guess

Although apple does things other companies can't do due to cultural power and whatnot

Whereas Nvidia just has way more money

So I suppose it's not really the same

[dusky jacinth]

Eh, it's what happens when you have a major market leader. Whatever trends they set, some of them might pay off and then that's what everyone actually wants to see out of... Well, everyone afterwards.

[dreamy rose]

nobody wanted the Headphone jack gone, nobody with an opinion that matters anyway,

[dusky jacinth]

Which was... Mostly everyone.

No one's opinion truly matters when it comes to Apple's decisions.

They're about setting trends, which means if they have to defy the riverflow, they will do just that.

[dreamy rose]

are you saying people willingly wanted to have features ripped out from under them?

[dusky jacinth]

No, I'm saying Apple didn't care what anyone thought.

[stray apex]

And yet, most people vastly prefer wireless earbuds now

[dusky jacinth]

They did what they wanted, no matter how much everyone hated it.

[stray apex]

Because apple was correct that wireless is a much better UX
Just
It's also wildly profitable and android probably couldn't get away with it

[jaunty compass]

Man
Risk of rain 2 is really good

[dreamy rose]

neither should anyone give a shit about apples path and instead create devices that are more featured than apples crap.

[jaunty compass]

I'm glad my phone still has a headphone jack

[dusky jacinth]

Well those technically already existed (i.e. Samsung, HTC, LG at the time).

[dreamy rose]

how is Buletooth any better UX than plugging in a pair of headphones

[lethal jay]

Tbf, Apples removal led to the development of affordable wireless earbuds, which are super common to see people with nowdays. They are super nice to have, but without apple forcing companies to make them to sell earbuds to apple users, we wouldn't have seen such rapid development and widespread adoption

[dusky jacinth]

But Apple was a force to reckon with that even they knew they couldn't top.

So if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

That's the ideology all the companies got.

[dreamy rose]

again that wouldn't matter if we all just had wired headphones and Apple forced wireless on you.

[dusky jacinth]

They did their own things still, but they took a lot from Apple's book.

[stray apex]

You pull it out of the nice self-contained case and put it in your ear
Done
Versus you pull a tangled mess out of your pocket, spend ten seconds untangling it, put it in your phone, and try not to snag the wire

[dreamy rose]

ok but look at these,

[dusky jacinth]

For my experience, I will say bluetooth has been about as much of a pain as dealing with wires.

[stray apex]

Wow, literally nobody uses those

[dreamy rose]

neither are truly better. Bluetooth yes can improve but its still ass.

[dreamy rose]

they EXIST

[stray apex]

So does sounding

[dusky jacinth]

Weird syncing issues, my listening devices pretty much running on their own battery I have to worry about, responsiveness in controls being weird, plus other devices trying to sync to my phone and taking over audio output before my desired device can connect.

With wires so far, I only had to worry about storing them properly and then making sure not to yank them out of my headphones somehow.

Bluetooth audio is apparently a process all unto it's own in my experience.

[stray apex]

That sounds like your phone just had a shit Bluetooth implementation or something

[dreamy rose]

the main problem is the whole fucking second of latency when beginning a song. thats what i hate the most.

not just a song any media

[dusky jacinth]

It's not something that changes even on any other device I've used.

[stray apex]

My essential phone and both pixels have never had an issue with the four different earbuds I've used

[dusky jacinth]

Every bluetooth device I've ever worked with, including even iPhones, have been somewhat of weird chore that nobody ever mentions beforehand. Lol.

[stray apex]

The most I've ever had to do is put the earbuds back in and take them out

[dusky jacinth]

Like I've always found it to be less seamless than I keep hearing about, so my assumption just becomes "okay, so basically everyone's just talking about it generally being cordless and that's the only part of it. Okay, I see where this is going."

[stray apex]

I think you just have bad luck

[dusky jacinth]

It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either.

It was just weird.

[stray apex]

I don't think apple has sold a dozen billion dollars of airpods and nobody is complaining about major issues

[dusky jacinth]

Wireless devices in general is always something I personally find to be a weird process of setup because there's always something causing a snafu somewhere or there's just this weird or unexpected behavior that knocks off a point from me for the experience.

And when I hear the majority of people praising it, I go deeper and then it's actually a two-side coin somewhere, somehow, so I just see it as something as debatable as the difference everyone can hear the other can't in our listening experiences: one man's luxury is another's confusing sidequest of problem solving. Lmao.

[dreamy rose]

Bluetooth has been messy for me in general. idk Windows just despises working properly

maybe now i shouldn't have too many issues. but thats never true'

[stray apex]

No, windows Bluetooth is just shit

[dusky jacinth]

I haven't had that issue with mine, but the (lack of) quality isn't justifiable enough for me to rely on my Shokz all the time.

Plus the latency.

[dreamy rose]

Windows in general. Bluetooth is just the cherry on top of the shit smoothie.

[dusky jacinth]

That, and it's annoying to have to switch between devices I would like to use my Shokz with because their behavior is almost like trying to use a wifi extender with your phone. They don't play ball with switching back and forth between stuff.

[stray apex]

I dunno, sounds like you just have niche issues with it

[dusky jacinth]

This is especially an annoying thing when using my Shokz... When in the car, and I'm not driving either (basically backseat) and I just want a private listening experience.

My car infotainment system always somehow hijacks the priority for audio out via bluetooth.

[stray apex]

At this point adoption quantities are such that any minor systematic flaw would've been reported so many times

[dusky jacinth]

... And then potentially later does something to itself and then it just doesn't wanna work anymore, which is kinda hilarious.

[dreamy rose]

this is basically windows. except replace Potentially with Eventually.

[scarlet flame]

lmao rip Idk why issues like to crop up for u when you use amd gpus ie the new video but the only issue I had with my amd gpu is a very very bad encoder

[low rain]

I’m so ed I asked my mom if I can use her card tmr when I go out with my friends but I forgot that she has to go somewhere tmr

[stray apex]

Linus does weird shit

[dreamy rose]

they did not give them the full chance with fresh installs and ran into issues that will be expected at times doing so.

[scarlet flame]

ah I see

I moved from a rx 470 to a rx 6600 was very stable

I just hated the encoder

[dreamy rose]

regardless, the experience was mixed, which is enough for the Nvidia fanboys to cry over

[scarlet flame]

the encode works fine on parsec for remote stuff I need to do at my mums places using her hp laptop

but like amds encoder for recording videos on a gpu ☠️

[dusky jacinth]

My encoding experience moving from a 2070 Super to a 7900 XT has been Turing NVENC having really bad quality versus AMF encoding via RDNA3 VCN and that was... Basically stellar quality wise.

Of course, I kinda mean for streaming really. My adventures in video editing now is a weirder case.

[stray apex]

AMD's av1 encoder is basically just as good as Nvidia, afaik
The problem is the h.264

[dusky jacinth]

I don't use anything considered "standard", as in I use KdenLive and... Well, let's just say being a Windows user using that is pretty weird.

[pure olive]

HOLY SHIT BREAD MERCH

[dreamy rose]

AV1 is a level playground,

[dusky jacinth]

Basically with h.264, particularly on RDNA2 gpus, you have to have the bitrate turned up really high to get the best quality.

[stray apex]

Yeah, the issue is that twitch doesn't do av1

[dreamy rose]

just not usable everywhere yet

[dense coral]

the whole bread joke is just so stale

[dusky jacinth]

As far as quality goes too, VCN does better than NVENC, however, at lower bitrates, NVENC turns the tables... Unless we talk Turing NVENC, that is.

[pure olive]

hahahahahahahahahaha

[dreamy rose]

you look tired, go to bread

[dusky jacinth]

[stray apex]

[glossy crest]

guys should i risk on buying a faulty gtx 1080 ti gpu thats being listed for $50 aud?

[dense coral]

(get it)

[glossy crest]

(are you talking to me?)

[dreamy rose]

whats its fault?

[glossy crest]

its PCB

the seller is unsure about why its faulty and he said prob the PCB

[dusky jacinth]

As far as quality settings go (and I'm a YT and Picarto user when it comes to streaming), h.264 with RDNA3's VCN has actually been better than on Turing in my experience.

AV1 encoding has also been no hitch for me on YT and Discord so far.

[dreamy rose]

prob best left as a for parts if they don't know why. unless you can see why in person before you buy

[scarlet flame]

I had to stream at 30k at h264 to get a reasonable quality rip file sizes lmaooo ☠️

[dreamy rose]

were they using it and then it died or was it left for a while?

[scarlet flame]

and it was very unstable loved to crash my pc

[dusky jacinth]

Though as far as editing goes, KdenLive is just... A weird moment in itself because there's just some things it gets particular about, no matter whether you use gpu hardware or software encoding for stuff.

[scarlet flame]

this is why I encode on my cpu after I broke pins on my ryzen 5 5600 on a move to r7 5800x

[glossy crest]

They using it for a while and died

[dusky jacinth]

And then all I hear is that it's... A Windows build quirk for KdenLive.

Linux is basically the first-class citizen platform for it when it comes to features and stability.

[scarlet flame]

unpopular and very controversial sentence starfield is overated and was overhyped imo

[dusky jacinth]

It doesn't even let me use software AoM or SVT AV1 encoding.

It's so weird.

[scarlet flame]

rip

I only use filmora or adobe premiere pro

[dusky jacinth]

Like it's not compatibility with hardware, it's just in cpu threads. Like... What's your deal??

So yeah.

Kdenlive experience on Windows in a nutshell for me.

[scarlet flame]

whats the experience supposed to be best on? mac? linux?? 🤡

[manic torrent]

..... from what I have seen of actual ratings it's actually underrated / fairly rated.

Also hype is not measurable as such, so solid meh

[stray apex]

Starfield is a pretty decent 6/7 out of 10

[dreamy rose]

it made Radeon a better value than it already was. it served its purpose. but didn't do well enough sadly.

[stray apex]

Very Bethesda rpg

[dusky jacinth]

Like I said earlier, it's a first-class citizen for stability and features on Linux and anything UNIX based like Mac OS to some degree, mostly because it was developed by KDE devs.

[scarlet flame]

imo if im hyped for a spacegame im more excited over star wars outlaws

[manic torrent]

Starfield is a 10/10 Bethesda RPG, 7.5/10 game and 8.5/10 experience

[stray apex]

Depends on what you're looking for

I think overall it's pretty average, but some bits are really cool

[scarlet flame]

since for once its not ea and ubisoft which isnt a bad game company which is pretty tight

[dusky jacinth]

That was mostly because Nvidia didn't bother to invest time and effort into that game and then Intel... Kinda had to do their own testing internally, for some reason.

[manic torrent]

Average vs what?

[stray apex]

In general
Story is fine
Combat is fine
Exploration is a bit crap, but it's servicable

[dusky jacinth]

So it was more like Nvidia didn't really respond till like... Way later and then Intel just tried. Lol.

[dreamy rose]

i mean as in it didn't really make as much cards fly off the shelves as it should of.

[stray apex]

In most of what it sets out to do I don't think starfield excels, but it's not terrible

[scarlet flame]

agreed

[manic torrent]

The thing is, it combines all of those, so it's more than the sum of its parts. I don't fundamentally disagree though

[scarlet flame]

spaceflight could be better theres no in atmosphere flying last i checked

[manic torrent]

There's no in atmo flying in most space sims

[stray apex]

Yeah, but they also fit together in a very average Bethesda game kind of way

[scarlet flame]

there is in no mans sky

[stray apex]

The shipbuilding is genuinely pretty cool

[dusky jacinth]

Well honestly, I don't see everyone immediately willing to try and make yet another expensive purchase after we all had the gpu crash to cash in on for stuff on sale.
Plus, it was... Sort of unexpected really and I don't think anyone wants to justify getting new hardware just yet anyway.

[stray apex]

No man's sky is like
A chore simulator

[manic torrent]

No man's sky is not an experience

[scarlet flame]

its more open world imo

[dusky jacinth]

I'm indifferent to that game... And Starfield.

[stray apex]

In the sense that they did not create much content, sure

No man's sky appeals to a very, very specific audience

[scarlet flame]

my specs are relatively ok could get more ram and a new gpu but I think its fine

[manic torrent]

Far cry 6 is an open world that feels fucking tiny because it's all the same shit. Far cry 5 world is smaller, but feels bigger because it's full of different shit.

[dusky jacinth]

I'm still saving and waiting to upgrade my platform from AM4 to AM5, but I'm no rush.

Plus, I'm not really that interested in the triple As anyway.

[scarlet flame]

I dont think im moving to am5 untill the next gen of am5 is out

[manic torrent]

Upgrade from AM4 is a woftam right now. 5700x best value for money.

[scarlet flame]

and by that time maybe amd might have cpus without the igpu this time

[dusky jacinth]

That is where I'm at as far as decisions are going.

Iiii actually prefer them having igpus, personally.

[stray apex]

Having a shit igpu is great for troubleshooting

[dusky jacinth]

It helps a ton especially when you have to troubleshoot nonsense like what my little brother's been dealing with in his build.

[stray apex]

Especially since most people don't own multiple gpus

[dusky jacinth]

Sooo many weird things going on in that thing and I just don't understand.

[dreamy rose]

i'm just waiting for them to throw the good ones on AM5

[manic torrent]

What sort of person doesn't have multiple GPUs?!

[scarlet flame]

I usually have had a tollfree pc building experience ive built my sibling a pc my dad a pc and myself a pc

its gone pretty good ngl

[dusky jacinth]

I'm kinda waiting to see if they really will.

[stray apex]

The oppressed g*mers

[dusky jacinth]

It would be very appreciated if AMD did actually give us another desktop APU.

[dreamy rose]

i'd be served perfectly by an 8600G with a 16CU IGPU

[dusky jacinth]

A powerful one in particular.

Buuut I wouldn't be offended if they didn't either, sooo... Eh.

[manic torrent]

Admittedly it would have been super useful to have an igpu when I reset my cmos and I had a gen3 pcie riser cable on a gen4 card, and it was hard lined and I had to use a pcie extender and hack shit to use a different card just to boot and change bios settings.

[keen cedar]

There is no escaping me jp

[scarlet flame]

lmao im very evil tho I stole the cpu that was meant for my siblings build which was a ryzen 5 5600 to upgrade my ryzen 5 3500 and game them that stole their nvme ssd as well and gave them my old sata m.2 then I ended up breaking hte ryzen 5 5600s pins then got a ryzen 5 5800x

[dusky jacinth]

When was I ever escaping you though?

[keen cedar]

I know

How are you tonight Florida man

[dusky jacinth]

Aaanndd mood shot.

[stray apex]

X570 itx build
I have to disassemble the entire thing every damn time

[scarlet flame]

im probably never moving to intel tho imo its just not worth the price in thailand its got abit of a price expense at a higher level which I dont like compared to amd

a move to nvidia could happen if I find a good deal or could justify it to myself

[dreamy rose]

14th gen is a joke

[scarlet flame]

who still uses a b450 in 2023 lol

[dusky jacinth]

Me.

[scarlet flame]

same here

[dusky jacinth]

It's all I got really.

[dreamy rose]

so is their naming scheme

[scarlet flame]

I use the b450m steel legend

I want to movve to the b550m steel legend for pci 4

[stray apex]

There's no point

[dusky jacinth]

I have the B450-i Gaming Wifi.

[scarlet flame]

my rx 6600 uses pci 4 x8 it doesnt have sixteen lanes but my mobo is pci gen 3 and has 16 lanes

so my gpu ends up having only pci gen 3 8 lanes

which is not ideal for the rdna 2 cards I heard issues about it on the rx 6500

[manic torrent]

I use my 6600xt in a thunderbolt egpu enclosure so mehhhhhh

[dusky jacinth]

My gpu uses all 16 lanes, though I'm stuck on PCIe 3.0, so there's a deficit in bandwidth.

[manic torrent]

There isn't. 16x 3.0 is fine

[indigo plume]

here kotor remake might be getting cancelled

[scarlet flame]

my gpu cant use pci gen 3 16 lanes cuz it only has 8 lanes

[indigo plume]

sony removed the trailer from youtube

[scarlet flame]

its already been confirmed kotor is cancelled

[dusky jacinth]

Even worse, my board's last BIOS update allows me to toggle ReBAR, buuuut it doesn't actually work and instead gives me boot drive issues.

[indigo plume]

when ?

[manic torrent]

Do you mean 6500, the 6600 is 16x iirc

[scarlet flame]

there were rumours about it which solified pretty quickly

[indigo plume]

sad to see

[graceful burrow]

good thing it doesnt really matter lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86pRe_GeT1I

[dreamy rose]

thunderbolt kinda sucks for EGPUs but Oculink isn't common so

[manic torrent]

It does work, it's just that rebar needs you to use efi.

[scarlet flame]

no it may look like it

[manic torrent]

..... thunderbolt is what exists, sooooo

[scarlet flame]

but its false it dont have 16 lanes

[dusky jacinth]

Which I do and then literally all my drives disappear from boot order.

[indigo plume]

why is it the case I want isnt sold in canada yet

[manic torrent]

Edit: I checked this and you are correct

[scarlet flame]

no its also for the rx 6600

[manic torrent]

And the xt, it turns out

[graceful burrow]

(and the xt doesnt benefit from gen 4 so i doubt the 6600 would as well)

[manic torrent]

I misremembered because the 6500 has four

[scarlet flame]

which means it only has 8 lanes which also means it can run on my b450 at only pci gen 3 8 lanes

[manic torrent]

.... which is still plenty.

[scarlet flame]

its apparently a -5 loss

[graceful burrow]

yes
but you dont gain anything for running at gen 4 kek

[manic torrent]

Nope

[graceful burrow]

back it up

[manic torrent]

It's a 50 dkp minus

[scarlet flame]

I lied its like a 5 fps deficit on some games