public-chat

[fierce moth]

Hot swap drive bays imo

If you have spare sata ports

[summer nova]

What printer

[solar night]

Just an Anycubic Mega Pro, nothing crazy - I mainly use the Bamboo Carbons at work 😅

[summer nova]

Ah, I just got a Snapmaker artisan 3 in 1, any tips?

[solar night]

Nah, I work in the mornings or I hang out with my kiddo

[fierce moth]

I'm personally thinking of getting an ender 3

I pretty much have a budget of 400 aud

[summer nova]

Shit… it’s midnight… should probably get to bed. Or I could watch other movie

Idk what ima watch

Fuck I can hear the grain bin fans from the house

The fans on grain bins

To keep air moving

Huh

What’s that supposed to mean

Ah, that’s alright

[full fossil]

He asks if the fans are loud

[summer nova]

Yes the fans are loud

Very loud

[full fossil]

What language do you speak

Oh wow that’s cool

What’s English Dutch

Oh cool

[limber sparrow]

why am i getting around 150 fps in warzone with 7900 xt?

[opal thunder]

how would we know

[wispy marsh]

~~Must be DNS ~~

[opal thunder]

sounds like normal perf for that game tbh

depends on what res your monitor is

[wispy marsh]

Hey wiz

I'm hitting 99% GPU / 40% CPU in my games

What is a good perf-for-price upgrade?

[vapid cypress]

Cats

[opal thunder]

what socket is your motherboard

[wispy marsh]

58X3D

I'm not hitting the 50%/50% gpu-cpu balance

[opal thunder]

so am4

[wispy marsh]

Yes

[opal thunder]

you have a b550?

[wispy marsh]

X570i Aorus

[opal thunder]

neat

[wispy marsh]

No, no, my cpu is underutilised

Why are you asking about it

[opal thunder]

so i can see what GPU to match it with

whats your budget?

[wispy marsh]

Not above 999 if possible

I feel like I need a more powerful gpu

[frail steeple]

Proud Linux User Here🚩

[vapid cypress]

Booo

[opal thunder]

you basically wont get a bottleneck even with a 4080 so i suggest getting a used 6900xt or getting a new 7900xt

https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1107753052892577842
go here for more information about price to performance

[wispy marsh]

I have a TUF 6800XT. I don't think those would be upgrades performant enough to warrant upgrading

[opal thunder]

i see, then you would have to spend a substantial amount

[wispy marsh]

For now, yes. And yikes

[indigo plume]

well Im returning this g502

I used to like this mouse

[wispy marsh]

Why?

[opal thunder]

anyways the 7900xt is much better than the 6800xt just in case you wanted to find anything

[indigo plume]

to heavy to man buttons to close to finger that can be accediently pressed

and the dpi changes on me mid game do to this

[opal thunder]

https://youtu.be/5JQ-X0ZfZaA?si=i0RYziqDhp1nDoMA this should be able to give you a good idea of what to expect

[indigo plume]

mice shouldnt have a dpi switch so close

g502 is just outdated

[opal thunder]

basically expect 30% better perf GPU wise

anything CPU bound will see lesser

[indigo plume]

and a 2023 mouse that still using micro usb like wtf

[wispy marsh]

I watched the supreme leader's video on the 7800XT and 7700XT. Labs did an excellent job outlining why my card is the best price right now, ignoring power budget

[wispy marsh]

Oh, I've never ever used the usb charging port on my Lightspeed

[indigo plume]

wdym

[junior forge]

is RX 5600 XT still worth these days? (wanna pair it with a 3600

[indigo plume]

how are u charinging it

[worldly pendant]

Hey
im new to laptops and stuff so i just want to ask is lenovo yoga x380 better or surface pro 5 i5

[opal thunder]

yeah anyways if you dont want something like the 7900 xt i would wait a generation

[wispy marsh]

I bought Powerplay and Lightspeed on the same day.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931960199911206945/1152692729399234651/IMG_1911.jpg

[indigo plume]

wtf is powerplay

[wispy marsh]

No, I don't. It's a gen1 product to me.

[wispy marsh]

LOL

[manic torrent]

...... they have the g502x, my dude.

[wispy marsh]

https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/innovation/powerplay.html

[indigo plume]

those mice pads are too small

[wispy marsh]

Hence why I have a 900x400 deskpad over it

[indigo plume]

and its expesnive af

120 dollars

[wispy marsh]

I got it for 58usd

It was used and missing one of the pads

[manic torrent]

Yes. But it exists. The g502 has been superceded

[wispy marsh]

Other than that, it's served me well since May '21

[indigo plume]

either way think some of the newer mice are just better

[wispy marsh]

... woah. I've had the Lightspeed for more than two years

[indigo plume]

I had g502 way back

[wispy marsh]

Never ever used the charging cable once

[indigo plume]

got double click issue

[wispy marsh]

It's tedious but you can swap out the primary buttons

[pure olive]

hi sifwia

[indigo plume]

would bother me that desk serface wouldnt be even

[wispy marsh]

The secondary buttons use motherboard-like reset buttons

[wispy marsh]

I have other mousepads that make it even

Hi cheese

[dapper dawn]

🍞

[fallen rover]

Can the RTX 4090 translate my cat's meows into Morse code?

[vapid cypress]

Meowrse code

[tired glade]

Yes

But you need to write the software

[graceful burrow]

[fierce moth]

still going strong

[graceful burrow]

🤝

im not booting up ghub to get a screenshot of it plugged in fuck that app

[pliant karma]

mines still going lol

90% on the vertical mouse

[fierce moth]

still better than synapse

like miles better

[graceful burrow]

actually true

[pliant karma]

lol yea

occationally it bricks itself but easy fix

[fierce moth]

ghub even has a lightspeed receiver pairing tool in-built

[pliant karma]

👀 can you pair multuiple mice on one reciever

[fierce moth]

dont know

[pliant karma]

hmmm

I've been able to pair 5 mice on a single unifying reciever

[graceful burrow]

sheesh

[fierce moth]

i doubt the lightspeed receiver can take more than one mouse

as its an end to end link

[zealous mirage]

🍞

[wispy marsh]

Woah we have the same mouse

[graceful burrow]

🤝

[fierce moth]

the ultra fast scroll wheel is super handy for going through fo4 menus

fuckin 500 different items from mods

[graceful burrow]

i sometimes bind E to it and open gmod

[fierce moth]

i mapped audio controls to my buttons

[wispy marsh]

I use it when there are those javascript per-scrolled-pixel things on websites

I abhor those down to my soul

Apple started it, now every dog and their owner is doing it

[pliant karma]

lol same in some games I have them binded to certain keys I would not have a easy time reaching

FPS games for reloading and throwing gernade. Considered cheating to an extent but ehh faster for me haha

[fierce moth]

i understand for grenades, but reloading?

[pliant karma]

I'm just use to that

been doing it for a long time

whatever floats my boat

[fierce moth]

truenas has a good ui ngl

[graceful burrow]

TRUE(nas)

[wispy marsh]

... it makes sense for reloading

The G502 has "three" left buttons

[graceful burrow]

r is so close to wasd its never needed to be mapped to my mouse

[fierce moth]

this

[wispy marsh]

I never use it for reloading though

[graceful burrow]

i use two buttons for reload and melee
i dont use the g-shift button too far for me thumb

[wispy marsh]

Gshift is for dpi change, RB4 is for emergency health and RB5 is for Heal-over-time

[fierce moth]

imo im probs gonna go with openmediavault, as im more familiar with it cause i used it on my pi before i got a x86_64 server

[wispy marsh]

Grenade is G

[fierce moth]

i can use the gshift button

😎

[graceful burrow]

i think my comfortable placement is too far back/down on the mouse

[graceful burrow]

if i really palm the mouse i can absolutely hit the g-shift button but otherwise its eh

not comfy

[mystic rover]

hello. could anybody help me with my windows 11 update? im having some issues, my screen's been stuck on the same thing for about 30 minutes now, it says updates are underway, please keep your computer on

[fierce moth]

if your hdd led isnt blinking try forcing it off

[mystic rover]

how does a hdd led look like? xD

[fierce moth]

should be next to your power led

[pliant karma]

Not when you hyper focused lol. I keep tapping E on and on without noticing oh wait it’s not reloading. Lol I do get frustrated when dealing with fps games so ahh there’s that

[graceful burrow]

i dont have that problem ig

[fierce moth]

i play vr

[graceful burrow]

im built different
built like a dumbass

[pliant karma]

But not destructive just cursing into mic with my friends since they get mad too

[fierce moth]

so when i reload i fumble around mags

[vapid cypress]

Yes me too

I hit my controller too many times when I reload

[fierce moth]

what vr games do u play?

[vapid cypress]

The only ones that I enjoyed was beat saber

[pliant karma]

Same to Forza when I’m in the zone I don’t respond to people in vc. But the game audio overpowers everything so I tell them to talk to me after I finish the race

[vapid cypress]

And resident evil 4 was fun a bit

The kicking was funny

[mystic rover]

i pmed you

[fierce moth]

i can strongly recommend h3vr and vtol vr

[graceful burrow]

play hl:a

[vapid cypress]

I'm using standalone oculus quest 2

[graceful burrow]

rip

[vapid cypress]

Because I don't have a strong enough of a pc

[graceful burrow]

what are you pc specs

[vapid cypress]

The lowest thing possible in 2023

[graceful burrow]

that could be a lot of things

[vapid cypress]

I5-9300h and a 1050 3gb

If I remember right

[graceful burrow]

ah that aint the worst

[fierce moth]

i have a 1050 2gb

[vapid cypress]

Laptop

[graceful burrow]

i know

[fierce moth]

and a 4670k

[vapid cypress]

oof

[fierce moth]

still works

i mean, i have 400 bucks for my birthday, i could either get a 3d printer or a new gpu

aud

[vapid cypress]

I can't buy nor have a desktop

1. I'm currently without a home (live in a dorm)
   2.Don't have money to splurge rn

[vapid cypress]

I do have 2k rn but I don't have a job so I have to spend it wisely

[wise tundra]

Hold up, hold up, isn't the Magic Mouse still Lightning?

[vapid cypress]

I bought a 3D but I rage quit because I couldn't set it up for the first layer so I'll probably wait till I get an expert in person

😭

[finite sluice]

Does anyone know what happened to the livestream? LTT TV

[vapid cypress]

I paid like almost 300 for now its collecting dust

[vapid cypress]

Yes

[vapid cypress]

It fell off

[finite sluice]

Wym? They are stopping it permanently?

[vapid cypress]

Probably

[fierce moth]

so i could get a 3d printer or an rx6700

[vapid cypress]

Yes

[fierce moth]

which one tho

[vapid cypress]

You are asking the wrong person really because I have a bad first hand experience with the 3D printer. It could be different for you

[graceful burrow]

ender 3 v2

best community support and most mods

[fierce moth]

but i have a 1050 2gb

[vapid cypress]

I have the sovol sv01 pro

[graceful burrow]

do you wanna render physical real objects or digital objects

[red breach]

if you actually like, want to print things and use them to make proejcts like

[graceful burrow]

isnt that one of those round 3 arm printers
i cant remember the type name

[red breach]

get the printer. otherwise, if you're just looking for a toy probably the GPU lol

the hardest part about 3d printing is bed leveling, I've been at it since the makerbot replicator 2 - and like

[graceful burrow]

abl helps but bed leveling is annoying

[red breach]

you can buy a $99 ender 3 pro, skip the v2, get the bed level sensor and you're golden

[graceful burrow]

i'd also replace the extruder arm thing
it's plastic and tends to snap

[fierce moth]

aud btw

[red breach]

skip the v2, go for a pro if it saves you

[vapid cypress]

It's basically a wider ender 3 with a bunch of mods already preinstalled

[fierce moth]

i have 400 aud to spare

[vapid cypress]

Bed leveling is actual torture

I thought auto leveling, simple 😊 nooo

You have to set it up by paper

by Feel

[red breach]

you set it up by paper once

[red breach]

if you have ABL and you're complaining I'm confused

it's... feeling it out every single fucking time that sucks

[vapid cypress]

It never works, correctly

I might be doing something wrong

[red breach]

if you HAVE to manually level after/before/with ABL, your sensor/firmware isn't working the way it should. I walk up to my ender 3, I hit print, it prints. every time

I genuinely haven't had a failed first layer since my bltouch install

[graceful burrow]

do you use a pei sheet or glass

[red breach]

are you sure your Z-offset is dialed in?

neither

[graceful burrow]

tf you print onto then

[red breach]

cheapo magnetic bed lmfao

the stock ender 3 pro sheet, the black one

[crisp sedge]

Hi

[vapid cypress]

You mean the middle Z?

The home

[graceful burrow]

z is up and down

[red breach]

z-offset being the length of the sensor

so the distance between when the sensor fires and the actual nozzle. That variable sounds like your problem here

your print bed is leveling itself a consistent amount toofar/tooclose to the nozzle, yeah?

[vapid cypress]

I know but I mean the z is different on where you look

[graceful burrow]

you fucking twisting turning your 3d printer?

[vapid cypress]

Probably not

[graceful burrow]

then z means up and down from the bed surface

always

[red breach]

yeah X and Y are lateral Z is vertical

[vapid cypress]

I have no clue I set home and when it's idle it's more up than usual

[tidal minnow]

I think mu friend has a resin printer. He really enjoys printing stuff like dnd character and dnd monsters

[red breach]

https://all3dp.com/2/adjust-ender-3-v2-z-offset/

[opal thunder]

wtf? every other rgb program i've used takes like 200mb. im assuming its running under a different proccess name?

[vapid cypress]

Honestly I should retry sometime

[red breach]

instructions for your printer may vary but after installing ABL you NEED to set this value correctly or it just won't be able to

yeah it's worth a go!

[tidal minnow]

He printed my character before he got a resin curer or smthn so I think that's why my haracters a lil glossy

[red breach]

otherwise you're feeding "level" -- sending information to the control board about where "level" is - to be precise, that's potentially too far or too close away

[tidal minnow]

I like da glossy doe (:

[red breach]

been doing some semicommercial printing and enjoying it

lil ebay print farm

[fierce moth]

im probs gonna get a pi for octoprint if i get a 3d printer

[red breach]

tbh if you have an old PC laying around

like a laptop? even better

[fierce moth]

nah

i think i have a spare pi but its only a pi zero

[manic torrent]

Pi is way better

[red breach]

genuinely confused

[vapid cypress]

It has abl built in

[graceful burrow]

zero 1 isnt powerful enough for octoprint

3b+ and above, or zero 2 w

[manic torrent]

Smaller, less power, can be powered by the same PSU, has octopi distro off the shelf

[fierce moth]

might cop a 3a

[red breach]

the third is a complete L because a laptop stays on during power loss

[fierce moth]

but not the 3d printer

[red breach]

laptops are ideal servers, they have built in UPS

yeah but at least your print server will know what layer it stopped at cleanly

[crisp sedge]

:3

[red breach]

"less power" oh boy let me buy a $50 PC to save 10 watts

[fierce moth]

i can make a ups with a simple 18650 cell and a couple of boards

[red breach]

that's what a laptop battery is, and a laptop on a shelf - should you have had one like

is free

[manic torrent]

Yeah nah

[red breach]

what's with yall and not having a pile of 10 year old laptops anyway

[crisp sedge]

…?

[manic torrent]

I'm not trying to build the jankiest ass shit for the least money.

[red breach]

yet you're into pis?

[red breach]

gee I sure love recycled broadcom SOCs

[manic torrent]

.... but your print is still fucked.

[red breach]

yum yum

[crisp sedge]

What’s wrong with pies?

I have 3 of em

[red breach]

https://github.com/pablogventura/OctoPrint-PowerFailure

[fierce moth]

pis are very consitant pieces of hardware

[crisp sedge]

Ones running ha

[red breach]

they're manufactured ewaste. There's very little if nothing a pi can do that a used laptop or phone couldn't do better

[crisp sedge]

And one for retro gaming and the other one for portable server

[crisp sedge]

I’ve been running home assistant on em like forever

[red breach]

in 2011? cool. now that there's a literal mountain of 10+ billion ARM smartphones collecting waste out there uhhhhhhhh

[fierce moth]

L take

[crisp sedge]

And you can’t get a better portable server

[red breach]

no the L take is buying $50+ ARM SOC boards with less real power than a core 2 duo

[crisp sedge]

I put my pi in my gab

They’re fine for a server

[fierce moth]

my first server was a pi

[crisp sedge]

And you talk like you’re paying for it

[fierce moth]

it was able to handle plex and smb file sharing just fine

[crisp sedge]

Same

[manic torrent]

The cost is very far from the primary concern

[red breach]

the other concern (power) is cost by another word

so what is it?

[opal thunder]

i assuming anyone that get a pi likes the fact that they are very small

also they are just good

[red breach]

phones are the same size and if you don't have a literal pile of old android phones around you're not a nerd

[manic torrent]

Power is also wiring and heat. And complexity and size.

[crisp sedge]

Um, you can’t use a phone as a server

[red breach]

octo4a on a secondhand phone is a much better solution than pi

you sure fucking can

[opal thunder]

??

[crisp sedge]

?

[fierce moth]

and phones dont have GPIO

[crisp sedge]

Who cares about what do you think

[red breach]

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sylkat.apache&hl=en_US&gl=US

[opal thunder]

although it probably wont be very good can't you throw linux on a old android phone?

[red breach]

guessing you missed the point where an app that ran on gingerbread can run a full apache instance, yeah?

[crisp sedge]

Yea no

[crisp sedge]

Yes

[red breach]

there's literally no "Server" task a pi does that a phone couldn't

[crisp sedge]

Can it run home assistant server on it?

[opal thunder]

oh ok i thought i was going crazy when you sent a ? back lmao

[red breach]

a snapdragon 8XX on a phone with a USB C dock? even an older one, LG G5 can pick that up for less than a pi

[crisp sedge]

Lol

[red breach]

like, WAY less. and you get an integrated camera and display to boot

[vapid cypress]

Does anybody know if should level the the bed and nozzle preheated and without filament?

[fierce moth]

i dont think a phone can run pihole

[opal thunder]

imo both are valid options it just depends on what you as a consumer wants really

[opal thunder]

i have no idea tbh (i dont own a pi)

[crisp sedge]

It can’t run most of the software, and all these apps would come in a clutch, you can’t deploy a full fledged server app on a phone

[crisp sedge]

Yuh

[red breach]

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/homeassistant-core-on-android-guide-dec22/512168

yall are geekin, android is just.... linux. And no, HA-S doesn't even require root

[crisp sedge]

At this point is that even worth it?

[fierce moth]

imo pis are much more consistant with both hardware and software sides and much much more easier to deploy

[red breach]

if it's compiled for your precious Pi, it'll run on an android device

if you need a spoon fed IMG you're... not the hardware tweaker you think you are

[crisp sedge]

I’ll flash ha os on an sad card and boot

[vapid cypress]

You can buy a used android phone for cheap

Dirt cheap

[manic torrent]

Or.... I save my hardware tweaking for stuff I give a shit about.

[opal thunder]

👆

[red breach]

I get it, yall love buying the same crap over and over and over

[crisp sedge]

“This is a bottomless pit, in every update, you will face many other new challenges. I had setup my first environment like this even with a zigbee dongle but life was hard 🙂”

[manic torrent]

I hate money. I try to spend it as soon as possible.

[crisp sedge]

Are you paying for it?

[manic torrent]

Like I said I am not trying to build the world's jankiest cheapest setup. I have finite time and energy.

[red breach]

Oh gee now only your opinion can matter? great comeback idiot, are you paying for my gear?

literally what fucking comeback, are you paying for it

😭

[manic torrent]

I focus on building things that don't exist, not trying to save $50 on ones that do.

[vapid cypress]

Same

[crisp sedge]

<@&750150305383186585>

[red breach]

hurr durr I like buying consumer garbage

that's all you're saying

[fierce moth]

you are the minority for thinking that

[red breach]

smugly

Pis aren't even "real" open source

[crisp sedge]

And phones are?

[red breach]

fucking broadcom blobs like,

I'd get it if it was actually a good product

it's just so failed to live up to the 2011 hype I'm so sick of hearing pi this pi that

[vapid cypress]

[red breach]

no you don't need a fucking pi for your 3d printer

no, you literally don't .

[manic torrent]

You don't. Nobody said you did.

[olive stump]

What a weird hill to die on

[fierce moth]

alas i will make my own decisions

[solar night]

I'm offended by this misinformation 😦

[manic torrent]

At least he's dead

[fierce moth]

therefore i will use a pi for my 3d printer

[red breach]

I mean, he said this and yall supported it like it was a good use of his money so

[crisp sedge]

:c

[graceful burrow]

good is subjective, you cant decide what's good for him, only he can

[olive stump]

I've used a pi as an integrated VPN endpoint/monitoring device before, throw a PoE HAT on that badboy and they're awesome

[fierce moth]

and the majority reckons pis are pretty good

[red breach]

and by people hand waving over this discussion invalidating my opinion by saying things like "are you paying for it" like

[fierce moth]

so ima stick with that

[olive stump]

Mail it out to some tech and say "plug this in and call me when it's running"

[solar night]

I also use a pi for octoprint - nice and easy to setup

[crisp sedge]

I’ve run ftp servers on a phone, but they’re not a permanent solution

[manic torrent]

Personally I have infinite time and no money, and I value my time at $0 so I want the jankiest cheapest garbage please

[red breach]

yeah, I'm trying to provide the objective fact that you really don't need to run out and buy a pi for everything, we all are sitting on mountains of ewaste and yall are discrediting me with literal misinformation and insults

[graceful burrow]

i say block toxic people and do whatever the fuck you want
buy a pi for the printer they're quite nice

[solar night]

Oh contrare mon ami - I've got full web servers running on phones 🙂

[crisp sedge]

(I used it to cheat on my exam)

[red breach]

just explain to me how setting up an old laptop is ANY jankier than buying a Pi

please I'm BEGGING

[olive stump]

I'm quite happy with what I use a Pi for, I can't see many situations where an old phone would be better

[fierce moth]

pis are not janky

[crisp sedge]

Well, how was it?

[fierce moth]

they are rather stable platforms

[crisp sedge]

Yea, it’s literally like plugging in a smartphone

[olive stump]

Oooh oooh, I've done both I can answer this: Batteries

[red breach]

so x86 isn't a stable platform?

[graceful burrow]

thats a whole different ass sentence lmao

[lilac bear]

yes

[red breach]

So you either have a battery or you remove it? again, can't see this point even right up close

[solar night]

I mean, it runs great - also technically the mobile performance profiler I wrote for LMG (AMS - Android Monitoring Service) is a webserver using Golang's Gin framework for websocket communication

[olive stump]

Some laptops don't function just on the DC battery

[manic torrent]

Just 3D print a nice laptop box mount for your laptop!

[red breach]

I've got a pile here that do. HP, lenovo, apple, you name it

[olive stump]

Source: The pile of old ThinkPads I had for doing stuff like that

[crisp sedge]

Interesting

[faint otter]

yo

[olive stump]

Now who's being invalidating 🤓

[solar night]

I think we can all agree that on the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.

[fierce moth]

why go out and buy a laptop when i can go get a officially supported platform for octoprint

[red breach]

I mean, that's what I'm talking about. You can get a $30 thinkpad off ebay and reduce the amount of ewaste in the world rather than buying yet more of it with decade-old silicon Pi

[graceful burrow]

also a ups isnt a very valid argument ngl there are a SHITTON of pi ups solutions

[red breach]

more ewaste! yay!

[faint otter]

guys there is this game and i saw online someone said download this .dat file and replace it and you get millions of coins, i put it on virustotal it said its fine should i trust it?

[crisp sedge]

…do people know that I’m a dog?

[manic torrent]

I don't have a pile of old laptops because I don't keep piles of garbage in my house. I have a finite amount of space and time.

[solar night]

Also, everybody has opinions, and situations and people's choices are subjective

[fierce moth]

thats what i said, "get some 18650 cells and a couple of pcbs"

[olive stump]

Excuse me, I am a duck

[manic torrent]

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.

[red breach]

but clearly not money, great for you!

[faint otter]

the .dat file was from mediafire and uploaded from nigeria

[graceful burrow]

is it waste if its being used
you just said you had a ton of old computers laying around
isnt that ewaste?
your arguments are insanely contradictory and you see implications where none were made

[crisp sedge]

I just plugged mine into my home backup system

[red breach]

would be nice to be surrounded by piles of money than old laptops maybe that's my problem

[olive stump]

piles of money: $40

[red breach]

it's literally... not ewaste if you're recycling it dingus

[manic torrent]

I was very clear that I was not optimising for money.

[solar night]

Por que no los dos?

[olive stump]

idk, I'm gonna go back to my original point, this is a weird hill to die on

Both are valid solutions -shrugs-

[scarlet shoal]

hey where are the television channels? I have an issue with mine

[red breach]

I'm just so fucking past pi

[graceful burrow]

ok
you

[manic torrent]

When I have a stupid 48" OLED monitor, bitching about a $50 pi seems stupid

[graceful burrow]

not them
not us
we arent you
we can have differing opinions

[scarlet shoal]

how much was it?

[graceful burrow]

im just so fucking past this worthless argument

[red breach]

I can't stand hearing it anymore come up from unrelated topics, this was about 3d printers, now we're on Pis it's a fucking for-profit masquerading as a FOSS project, I can't stand the people, I can't stand the product, it's so fucking.... 2013-solar-freakin-roadways

[crisp sedge]

Phones cannot run all the software pi can run

[manic torrent]

$2200 AUD at the time

[scarlet shoal]

nice

[fierce moth]

cope

[red breach]

preachy pi people are just slightly more shower-ing Arch linux people

[graceful burrow]

ive got insanely good news
you do not have to participate in convos you dont want to

[crisp sedge]

🤯

[graceful burrow]

i know its an insane concept

[olive stump]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-sure-jan-sarcastic-brady-bunch-gif-11590179

[solar night]

Hey now, I use Manjaro AND I shower

[fierce moth]

😯

[solar night]

Also, how about everybody takes a step back and avoids making things personal

[manic torrent]

Lol, as if that ever worked.

[solar night]

Arguing on the internet is one of the worst hills to die on

[olive stump]

Yeah that's fair, not dissing the phone solution, my bias is that I'd steer a bit away from it, but can see the utility in some instances

[graceful burrow]

jake when are we gonna 1v1 quake 1 again
i cant remember if i asked you

[solar night]

🥖 🍞

[solar night]

We need to - I actually bought it so we could

[manic torrent]

Phones are perfect for a jank ass solution if they work for your thing.

[graceful burrow]

you free rn?

[solar night]

Unfortunately I was about to go to bed with the wifey before I saw this kicking off

[median idol]

Pub Chat is like watching my drunk family members argue politics at Thanksgiving dinner

[tidal minnow]

Not gonna lie I should try to see how long it would take for my cpu to toast my bread

[solar night]

Too close to home

[olive stump]

Look, lets bring this argument back to something productive: pro-skub or anti-skub?

[graceful burrow]

fair lmao, plenty of time to do it

[vapid cypress]

Tldr phone bad pi bad in the end its their own preference

[fierce moth]

tf is that

[manic torrent]

I don't want no scrubs

[tidal minnow]

Has fsr 3 frame gen come out?

[solar night]

Swiss-mode engaged

[tidal minnow]

I swear they said it was. Week ago or smthn

[manic torrent]

No

[olive stump]

Love how I can age a chat just by asking that question 🙂

[vapid moss]

lol I run octoprint on windows cus Pi's too expensive locally and old phones wouldn't run

[vapid cypress]

What now?

[crisp sedge]

Yes, phones running server software do come in a clutch, I can’t use it as my full time server.

[tidal minnow]

I accidentally but called one of the lmg members called "lmg community"

A while ago

I felt so stoopid

[fierce moth]

people should use ventoy

[graceful burrow]

the only valid anti-pi argument i can get behind
the "where can i even fucking buy one" gambit

[fierce moth]

literally best thing ive ever used

[solar night]

http://lmgtfy2.com/?q=skub

(Yes, I went there)

[tidal minnow]

I do. It's great I thought it would've been harder to set up but it was quite easy. Now I can just use that usb forever whenever I need to load an iso

[manic torrent]

And sometimes they are massively stupidly
Overkill for a problem, but . Yeah

[red breach]

it really is a "who would win" scenario between "pile of scarce crap you have to bid on ebay for" and "an old phone in a drawer" but

[crisp sedge]

From what I’ve seen and even bought, they’re coming back to normal?, I bought 2 pi 2 0s

[red breach]

yes that old phone would have to be running android 5.1 or newer

[fierce moth]

i have great mates

[red breach]

so like, the HTC EVO 4G is out but the OG 2013 Moto G works a treat

[olive stump]

Herya friend, why don't you come down off that hill have a little bread? 🍞

We got wheat, wholemeal, rye, sourdough

[solar night]

[manic torrent]

I buy my pi's from a local supplier.

[fierce moth]

core electronics?

[vapid cypress]

Real

[crisp sedge]

https://youtu.be/JxhZnaceRq4?si=dIAXrgMXxoIUGr0j

[red breach]

yeah I had an order for a pi zero 2w from chicagodist for 3 months and then they canceled it so

[vapid cypress]

I think I saw video on 3D printing PCBS

[red breach]

this was, oh, 18 months ago now before I was so dissolussioned about the "foundation"

[crisp sedge]

Okay, I will give this a try, if it went well, I’d replace my portable server with a phone

[solar night]

I think we have a tube of copper material for the Rapidia metal 3D printer - I think we could technically print some beefy PCBs 😄

[crisp sedge]

It’s a pain to get my server connected to a new Wi-Fi network

[solar night]

Y'all have a good night, and try not to verbally massacre each other while I'm gone 😛

[fierce moth]

i remember reading something on a actual pcb printer but it was hella expensive

[olive stump]

server
.
wifi
-screams-

[grim wing]

okay if this is possible i am definitely going to see if i can do it for the probes

[fierce moth]

https://www.voltera.io/v-one
found it

[solar night]

Yeah Voltera's tech - pricey but I'd love to play with it

[manic torrent]

The irony is your points aren't without merit, but you are not doing a good job of making friends and influencing people.

[solar night]

Okay, now goodnight!

[fierce moth]

video idea?

[graceful burrow]

gn jake

[fierce moth]

gn mate

[olive stump]

Cya dude

[red breach]

that's my job when the room started villifying me from the get, I see

"you're right but because you didn't grovel to me I'm going to act like you're wrong" very mature

[crisp sedge]

It’s a raspberry pi 02 w

[manic torrent]

No, that's not what I said at all.

[red breach]

then what was your point?

[olive stump]

Fair enough

[crisp sedge]

Haaaaaaaaaa

[red breach]

other than to say that, "if you were nicer, maybe people would listen"

[olive stump]

man, dude's still up on his hill

[median idol]

https://tenor.com/view/pour-drink-alcohol-lets-drink-tequila-gif-17171578

[crisp sedge]

It’s just so much trouble to get what I want to run on a phone!

[red breach]

which again, literally not my problem when you're like.... "you're right bro"

[manic torrent]

I said your points were not without merit. That isn't "you're right"

Do you understand how nuance works?

[red breach]

then use a laptop, a desktop, a fucking nintendo DS with a flashcart for all I care just

[vapid cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-gif-24518828

[red breach]

don't buy a fucking broadcom board from a crooked fake-FOSS "organization"

[crisp sedge]

Most of the tutorials were running simple web servers, but I want to run wireguard server / adguard / transmission etc..

[olive stump]

Some folks bring a mentality to chatrooms similar to the dudes who hang around train stations looking to start fights

[fierce moth]

dont care, ill buy what i want to buy

[olive stump]

lowkey kinda cringe

[crisp sedge]

I have a 02 w as my portable router, it sips power and does the job

[manic torrent]

What did you fuckin say to me, mate?

[olive stump]

you fuckin' w0t m8

You lookin at me?

[red breach]

hurr durr I enjoy being stupid

great argument

[crisp sedge]

I already carry 2 laptops :|

[red breach]

yippee depeting the planets natural resources for duplicative electronics I didn't need in the first place yahooooo

[crisp sedge]

I don’t want to carry another one for my server needs

[fierce moth]

🤦‍♂️

[red breach]

let me just buy a pi that will solve all my problems

[fierce moth]

i dont even have words

[opal thunder]

cool

[vapid moss]

https://tenor.com/view/joueur-du-grenier-no-fun-fun-fun-is-not-allowed-stop-it-gif-16558170

[manic torrent]

Dude, if we are going to talk about me buying electronics I don't need, we're going to be here for a while

[red breach]

gee why didn't I just think of it sooner just buying a pi and now all my problems are done

[crisp sedge]

Tell me about your experience with a phone as a server

[red breach]

great, octo4a worked a treat for over a year

[crisp sedge]

What is octo4a?

[indigo plume]

High end mouse recommendations? Not g502 plz

[red breach]

octoprint server for android

[olive stump]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/23/big-oil-coined-carbon-footprints-to-blame-us-for-their-greed-keep-them-on-the-hook
I'm gonna drop this link off at the swimming pool, and go have some delicious bread

[fierce moth]

g502, no joke

[median idol]

Who the fuck do you think most of this server consist of?

[red breach]

me and my 3080

[indigo plume]

No

[vapid moss]

or g604

[indigo plume]

I don't like the g502

[fierce moth]

whats wrong with it

[graceful burrow]

You def act like it lmao

[red breach]

but yippee buying low end low performance garbage over and over and over again instead of just using what I have yippeeeeeeeeee

[indigo plume]

Big and heavy

[vapid moss]

I like my G604, scroll wheel of the 502 but with more side buttons

[fierce moth]

but i dont have a laptop

[red breach]

it's so great to consume the same "DIY project" over and over again

[manic torrent]

And has no limitations!

[red breach]

feels SO productive following someone elses spoon fed instructions!

[graceful burrow]

Bro is fucking pressed

[median idol]

Should I show my two custom loops just out of spite?

[indigo plume]

G502 has so many buttons I don't need

[red breach]

I'm a real hardware hacker because I can flash an IMG to an SD card 🤓

[indigo plume]

I've never used one of the side buttons on a g502

[fierce moth]

just dont use them

[manic torrent]

Speak for yourself my dude. I'm using a pi with a canbus adapter to do a display in my car.

[olive stump]

I like my g502, thing's like a tank. It's really the Nokia 3310 of mice

[graceful burrow]

Nobody made that claim kek

[indigo plume]

So better to get a mouse without all the extra weight

[fierce moth]

i add weights to my g502 lol

[indigo plume]

Getting a mouse and not using its features is a waste of money

[opal thunder]

i wonder if there are any tiny computers i can run home assistant and vaultwarden from inside my computers free 5.25" bay preferably so i can send a magic packet to turn it on while im at a friends house to stream games to my phone. (i know im going to get pinged 20000 times about how pi's exist but im wondering what options i have.)

[olive stump]

low sensitivity + weights helps my jitter in FPS games

Have no problem throwing my mouse across the mousmat

[manic torrent]

That's what I was doing when I turned an ATX power supply into a desk area power supply with an esp32 running it.

[fierce moth]

me with my dpi at 12600

[indigo plume]

Huh

[olive stump]

This the dpi of a man who has little caffiene in his life

[red breach]

so i can send a magic packet to turn it on while im at a friends house to stream games to my phone.

So you're going to leave a computer on all the time, to prevent your computer from being idle all the time?

[fierce moth]

quite the contrary

[red breach]

what in the pi consoomer fakeDIY loser logic is this

[manic torrent]

All computers are the same!

[red breach]

just leave your damn PC on christ

[indigo plume]

I use 800 dpi sometimes 400

[opal thunder]

No? you can turn a setting on in bios to send a magic packet to turn on the computer lmao

[graceful burrow]

"consoom more energy loser lmao"

[fierce moth]

cope and cry about it

[red breach]

then THAT is the HA server and won't need a second computer to turn it on? like the fuck

you're the idiot using a computer to turn on a computer I don't even know

[opal thunder]

i literally have a siri shortcut that already does this

[fierce moth]

you are in the extreme minority

[crisp sedge]

It’s cool that it worked out for you, but I have a ton of software that won’t run on a phone or just so much worth for what it’s worth for me

[red breach]

literally the stupidest thing I've heard all day. "I'm so smart I use a whole computer to turn on a computer!"

[graceful burrow]

<@&750150305383186585> alright this is past funny and just into harassing

[red breach]

like actually BRAGGING about it is the wildest

[indigo plume]

Why y'all so pressed

[opal thunder]

not with my power consuming monster pc no

[vapid moss]

don't think this kid understands that electricity costs money

[graceful burrow]

It's just him kek we chillin

[crisp sedge]

:c kitty no

[red breach]

how much power do you think a PC at idle uses?

[olive stump]

cute lil guy

[vapid moss]

A lot more than a pi

[crisp sedge]

Yes and I want him

[graceful burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/bread-smile-smiles-eating-cheese-gif-24400185

[indigo plume]

My GPU at idel uses 200 watts

[crisp sedge]

That’s what she said

[opal thunder]

i have a 5900x and a 4080, probably more than 30 watts (50-60?)

[olive stump]

if he angy then i angy: let him in

[median idol]

Guy's acting like we killed his family and forced him to watch

[manic torrent]

What the fuck

[indigo plume]

What

[red breach]

how much do you think 30 watts of power costs year round. Give it your best guess.

[manic torrent]

7 billion rubles

[graceful burrow]

Depends on your local power rates 🤓

[slim yacht]

on idle probably 50-70 watts. adding an idle time of 8-10 hours per day + 16 hours usage at minimum 100-250 and/or higher will make u bleed money lmao

[crystal mirage]

200 watts should probably be under load

[indigo plume]

Planning 9n replacing gou do to the idel lower issues

[olive stump]

How dare you: I am going to go all Geneva to-do list on you for your carbon footprint

[indigo plume]

It's like 350 underload

[crisp sedge]

What did they say, I have em blocked

[fierce moth]

@graceful burrow off topic but good news, theres finally a brand new homebrew recreation of the bba on the gc using cheap components

[manic torrent]

200w GPU at idle.

[graceful burrow]

Bba?

[crisp sedge]

Ooof, Nvidia?

[fierce moth]

so now you can network boot without an sd card

[graceful burrow]

Oh fucking based

[fierce moth]

broadband adaptor

normally they're like 300 aud on ebay

[manic torrent]

I can't remember and I don't care, but it.... seems stupidly high.

[crisp sedge]

My whole pc uses 200w at idle

[opal thunder]

60$ a year at 50watts. i just did the math.

[red breach]

at $0.15/kwh we're talking about MAYBE $40 a year in power to leave your PC idle full time. At most. The pi isn't 0 power, call it 5 watts. So you're investing, at best, multiple years of power savings into a "remote control PC by pi"

[fierce moth]

but now you can spend like 25-30 aud and have the exact same thing

[indigo plume]

My 7900xtx Im returning

Due to power issues

[olive stump]

I have declared war on the small state of Kosovo for their use of RaspberryPis

[manic torrent]

... 5 watts? To idle? Yeah..... nah not even close.

[red breach]

"oh boy $3/month in power savings better rig up a pi to remotely turn on and off my PC yippee!"

[fierce moth]

NOOOO 😭

[red breach]

you think your AC/DC adapter is 100% efficient? 5w is real world

[indigo plume]

I'm prob gunna get a 4080

After I return GPU

[crisp sedge]

Your phone solution uses an identical adapter!

[manic torrent]

..... I have an always on desk area DC power supply I use for all the stuff at my desk so I don't have a million wall warts.

[olive stump]

Good news, I have started an insurgency on the island state of micronesia to eliminate the 3 raspberryPis in their posession.

[indigo plume]

What is good GPU brand for 4080

[graceful burrow]

Doin gods work 🙏

[red breach]

but, get this, you'd already have the phone -- or at least, one would already be made on this planet. You wouldn't be buying yet more crap that literally serves a purpose served by the crap you already had. Why is this such a foreign concept to yall

[vapid cypress]

Run steam decks instead

[graceful burrow]

You're a meanie that's why, Bob already told you earlier

[opal thunder]

asus 😈

[red breach]

[indigo plume]

I hear good things about Asus

[vapid moss]

why is having fun and tinkering around a foreign concept to you, not everyone has a spare phone lying around to do these things

[graceful burrow]

And why are you so fucking miserable about it

[slim yacht]

noctua asus card uuuuuuuu

[fierce moth]

he has a strong hate towards pis for some reason

[manic torrent]

And those phones have easy to use headers and a huge amount of mindshare and software that is well established.

[olive stump]

Oh you know that ol' German sense of humor, it's no laughing matter

[graceful burrow]

Quick nobody tell him about banana pi or orange pis

[crisp sedge]

Maybe he thinks it’s overrated

[fierce moth]

oh dont forget that /s, he may forget about it

[red breach]

oh gee I really need GPIO pins for my PFsense/emulation box/octoprint/camera/etc etc

[fierce moth]

god forbid the rock pi

[vapid cypress]

He probably saying use existing hardware instead of buying stuff

[graceful burrow]

Oh fuck I forgot the rock pi

[red breach]

genuinely better at this point. at least you're not giving your money directly to broadcom

[olive stump]

I want to make a joke involving dairy here but I'm pretty sure the mods would hang, draw and quarter me

[red breach]

at least the rockchip devices are halfway performant

[vapid moss]

and the le potato pi thing

[graceful burrow]

No I'm buyin pi's I do whatever the fuck I want

[manic torrent]

I never indicate sarcasm. If you can't get it, you don't deserve to get it.

[red breach]

thay have that going for them. they have "GPUs"

[graceful burrow]

I especially don't listen to miserable people on fucking discord about what I should do

[tidal minnow]

Tinkering on a phone and tinkering on a pi aren't mutually exclusive.

Believe it or not they can co exist

[fierce moth]

plus broadcom chips are in a couple of older phones iirc

[red breach]

I'm just genuinely bewildered that everyone here has acknowledged my original point but is still arguing with me

that for the purposes that like this whole fucking discussion started around

[olive stump]

I have amassed troops on the border of Moldova because of their continued use of RasPis

[opal thunder]

instead of spending 40-60$ a year on power why wouldnt i just get something that can do what i just asked about for the same price 🙂

[graceful burrow]

I never acknowledged it.

[crystal mirage]

NO WAY REALLY who could've thought

[red breach]

buying a Pi is a fucking WASTE. you do NOT need it

[fierce moth]

cause your point is fundimentally broken

[fierce moth]

same thing can be said by a lot of things

[graceful burrow]

Never once acknowledged it
One person acknowledged it

[olive stump]

Using computers is a fucking WASTE. you do NOT need them

[red breach]

there is literally NOTHING a pi can do that hardware you ALREADY HAVE cannot do in this context

[manic torrent]

I am clearly making good financial decisions.

[olive stump]

Okay I'm done now

[graceful burrow]

Bro this is fucking tiring

[vapid moss]

factually incorrect, just because YOU don't have a need for one, does not mean that no one needs one

[crisp sedge]

Yes!

[graceful burrow]

A concept explained three times before and understood not once

[tidal minnow]

I don't need a 4090. No one needs it!!!!!!!!!

[red breach]

there is genuinely, 0, and I mean, 0 things a pi can that a general purpose PC couldn't, in terms of being an ocoprint server. which, again, was the whole point I got on this hill

[crisp sedge]

That’s bigoted /s

[fierce moth]

but thats actually true /j

[median idol]

Should I show off my 5950X/3090 and 13900K/4090 rigs just out of spite?

[tidal minnow]

What what

[manic torrent]

And even then... didn't agree.

[graceful burrow]

RIGHT

[olive stump]

Same mood rn

[graceful burrow]

Ye fr
Fucking anyway

[crisp sedge]

It doesn’t use as much power as a pc

[graceful burrow]

You guys think unity is gonna die?

[fierce moth]

yea

[crisp sedge]

Is it still alive?

[opal thunder]

so back to this. anyone know about soomething i can shove into a 5.25" external bay that can do this that preferably is hotswap?

[crisp sedge]

CEO is a scumbag

[graceful burrow]

Well it doesn't seem for long

[olive stump]

only if the shareholders will it to be

[graceful burrow]

Big day for Godot so

[fierce moth]

former ceo™️

[graceful burrow]

Shoutouts Godot

[opal thunder]

or would i need to design something myself that could hold a pi or phone board after learning how to use a 3d printer

[slim yacht]

eh can deploy minecraft server and it'll handle it just fine

[crisp sedge]

He called mobile game devs “fucking idiots “ cause they didn’t monetize their game s

[vapid moss]

was also EA's fromer CEO

[crisp sedge]

And 1 dollar to reload in battlefield games

[fierce moth]

you can get hotswap sata bays for that

[crisp sedge]

:|

[graceful burrow]

Dude makes companies shitty where ever he goes

Ea is doin good now tho, a lot better at least

[crisp sedge]

Hope he never gets another job

[graceful burrow]

Same

Or
Hope he gets hired as mihoyo ceo

[crisp sedge]

Let’s talk about take 2

[graceful burrow]

That'd be funny

[vapid moss]

yeah much better than their "sense of pride and acconmplishment" era

[crisp sedge]

Their ceo wanted to get twice their salary

[olive stump]

Reminder that publicly traded companies only responsibility is increasing the value of shares, not customers, not their staff.

So Unity pulling this shit after an IPO is exactly 0% surprising

[crisp sedge]

That’s their current goal

[fierce moth]

therefore, the ceo is gonna get kicked out very fast

[olive stump]

The only surprising bit I guess is how gross and egregious it is, I give it a week before the crisis firm they hire tells them to roll it back, and then a year for them to do 80% of it anyway

[olive stump]

lmao I was optimistic like you once 🙂

[crisp sedge]

Lol

[olive stump]

I want to believe™️

[crisp sedge]

I don’t…but I want to, master chief in halo infinite

[manic torrent]

@red breach I'd wager I've probably done more hardware hacking than you have.

[tidal minnow]

Do you think ryzen 5000 hit harder than ryzen 7000 or vice versa?

[manic torrent]

Yep. Absolutely.

[red breach]

I'd wager you're wrong but for bringing this up, I'll bite

[olive stump]

I've never used a computer before

[red breach]

ever captain a robotics team?

sorry, ever found a robotics team?

[manic torrent]

No, those didn't exist for me at the time.

I've built robots.

[slim yacht]

yeah. lineup was making intel shaking lulz

[red breach]

right, me neither. Hacked one in for myself 😉

[olive stump]

Wait, you lost a robotics team? How could you, they were kids

[opal thunder]

ryzen 5000 is based

[tidal minnow]

Did 7000 not have the same effect?

[red breach]

you're telling me a shrimp fried this rice???

[graceful burrow]

Based on what

[fierce moth]

KEK

[manic torrent]

I built a boat with a robot arm, and three different modes of propulsion, and three different modes of control

[tidal minnow]

Idk zen 3?

[red breach]

ryzen 7000 shouldn't have launched

[slim yacht]

it was more 5000 series at first since its the first time they actually handed down a big blow vs intel offerings. right now you can say that they are playing catch up with 7000 series

[red breach]

should've waited for x3d and hit em hard

ridden out 5000 with x3d there and cheap DDR4

[tidal minnow]

I think amd releasing the 7950x3d tainted the reputation a little bit for gaming.

[slim yacht]

*not including 4000 series on laptops which also slams intel 10th/11th gen laptops but yeah

[tidal minnow]

Wait wait I need to correct myself

[red breach]

intel 11th gen was beat by intel 9th gen

[olive stump]

Might snipe a 5950x for the new ESXi build soon

[manic torrent]

I don't need a whole team

[stray apex]

5000 was the first time AMD actually beat intel in ages
7000 is competitive but it's not nearly as notable

[tidal minnow]

Releasing the 7950x3d before the 7800x3d instead of releasing them together*

[red breach]

me neither, when I put nutella in orbit

[olive stump]

smdh so wasteful

[opal thunder]

if you are using your rig for gaming im assuming the 5800x3d is still better for that unless you are doing production stuff

[red breach]

no, you see, we ate it

[tidal minnow]

I swear the 2600-5600 aged much better than intels equal offerings for some reason

[fierce moth]

Bro is gonna say "my dad works at Microsoft" next

[tidal minnow]

My dad left me aschually.

[red breach]

no, it's my uncle who works at nintendo so

[opal thunder]

funny thing about that...

[red breach]

🤓

[tidal minnow]

🤓

[olive stump]

Nono, I should clarify. This would be a hypervisor server. I'm getting it for it's core/thread count and undervolting it

Xeon is too power hungry/expensive/inefficent for my needs

[slim yacht]

go epyc™️

[stray apex]

eh, not really?
none of them are great at this point, but they're all more or less fine

[graceful burrow]

In being a shitty generation of processors? Ye

[olive stump]

Similar issues to Xeon unfortunately

Also: This'll be an ITX build bc frankly, I hate myself 🙂

[opal thunder]

ah ok good buy then especially if you can get it for a good price used

[tidal minnow]

It's just prices for older gen intel cpus are weird....

[manic torrent]

Best reason to go itx tbh

[olive stump]

Exactly, and unreg ECC DDR4 is cheap(ish) and available

[tidal minnow]

Prices for even the 5600 are weird. Like they are basically the same price as brand new.

[olive stump]

AMD are going long tail-end on their 5000 series, a lot of retailers are still clearing stock of them

[manic torrent]

Yep. My 3700x CPU in my server died. Replaced it with a 5600x because it was the easiest thing.

[opal thunder]

i got a used 5600x for 200$ CAD like 4 months ago

[olive stump]

I try not to overprovision my ESXi cores because of CPU sidechannels

[manic torrent]

I got a 5600x new delivered next day for $240 aud

[olive stump]

Easier to just go full dedicated cores and avoid the headaches 🙂

[tidal minnow]

In my country the used cheapest buy it now is £127 the cheapest brand new one costs £117

[opal thunder]

i think i might have gotten the price down to 190 but unsure so assume it was 200

[opal thunder]

💀 how

[stray apex]

retailers need to get rid of them
and people who paid $250 are like "surely 120 is a reasonable price"

[olive stump]

PC sales have really slumped

and tbh I think that should be the headline around why Nvidia 4000 series is so badly priced

(Amongst other reasons)

[fierce moth]

Nvidia 4000 series is a complete joke

[stray apex]

I mean, I don't think that low sales are why the prices suck

[red breach]

me who paid MSRP for my 5600X 😭

[opal thunder]

my bank account cried when i got a 4080

[fierce moth]

I'm still vibing with my 1050

[olive stump]

lemme rephrase, it's why it's so insulting. The prices suck in a vacuum, but it's like, offensive when we all know sales are as bad as they are rn

Like Nvidia decided to take the piss

[stray apex]

I mean, does nvidia even care

[red breach]

at least the 30 series had the "rationale" of crypto value. own them for 3 months and they'd pay you back. The 40 series are just sinking hundreds of dollars into a luxury item it's...... not the same

[tidal minnow]

I'm glad the 7800xt was priced well on release. Even if its generation performance gap was extremely small. Atleast the priced it like the 6800xt

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204463613618?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=hcv9ngzhqc-&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[fierce moth]

Installing debian btw

[fierce moth]

Nah, they care about their Ai cards

[opal thunder]

before this i had a 3070 and decided to sell it before 4000 series came out to sell it before new gen reduces its price used which was a good idea because it sold for 450 CAD when it would be way less if i sold later. also the 4080 dropped into a sale when this happened.

[olive stump]

God no, unless it's AI compute or car APUs they consider it "non-core" now

[tidal minnow]

For the price of a 6800xt in our country you could buy a used 6900xt so.

[olive stump]

Nvidia don't care about gaming anymore, and folks can quote me on that

[stray apex]

nah, I think they do
they just know that they have a monopoly

[tidal minnow]

That's why their stock went from 3 to like 450 usd. Cause of ai

[stray apex]

they're clearly still investing in software features

but like

[fierce moth]

Amd will sweep the floor when next gen comes out cause apparently they're focusing on mid tier and budget tier cards for the next gen

[olive stump]

Don't think it's an unreasonable take, I guess I kinda remember how they used to package and sell their GPUs, how they dealt with OEIs

[stray apex]

why should nvidia try when their closest competition is plausibly rumored to have given up on competing at the high end again?

[fierce moth]

Yet imo will see more sales that way

[olive stump]

It's like, beyond the sort of arrogence of a monopolist and just bald faced cynacism at this point

[stray apex]

it's not impossible, but I don't think AMD has the brand power to pull that

[red breach]

eventually someone will eat Nvidia's lunch, like AMD ate Intel's

[olive stump]

Like with Intel there was the pretense of performance vs pricing

[stray apex]

if you want to rely on bulk low margin products, you need volume
and AMD has fuck all for volume

[red breach]

it only takes a few generations of mild improvement for a competitor to be able to rest on generational improvements to catch up

[olive stump]

Think AMD just have other issues too

[stray apex]

nvidia are hardly sitting on their laurals

the problem with nvidia gpus is not performance, it's price

[olive stump]

Their OEI partnerships clearly aren't as good/developed as Nvidia and their marketing/product lineup isn't as clear cut

[red breach]

intel thought it was cool selling sandy bridge ++++++ through 7th gen. Then AMD looked over at GloFo and TSMC and said "bet, give the people 6 and 8 cores" and the rest was history

[stray apex]

yeah, but that's all rooted in their inability to gain any real market share

[red breach]

they barely matched IPC of third gen with zen1 but it didn't matter

[olive stump]

It's a real horse and cart problem

[stray apex]

I mean, ultimately AMD just can't seem to have a few good generations in a row

their last good gen was what, polaris?

[red breach]

at some point nvidia's pricing will be so bad that AMD can afford a big-die card to compete against their small die. I'd be surprised if they couldn't manage it now

[olive stump]

I'd say the last 2 generations from AMD have been acceptable

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-its-okay-gif-24540363

[red breach]

yeah there was nothing particularly wrong with the 6000 or 7000

the tail end of 6k were pretty hot values

[stray apex]

6000 would've been mediocre, except the covid
7000 is shit

[olive stump]

How so?

[stray apex]

the performance gains are disappointing at best

6000 at least managed to compete in raster with nvidia

[olive stump]

I'd say 7000 series was mid, a bit of let down, but if you're shopping mid teir it's defintiely in the ballpark

[red breach]

it's still RDNA. They didn't pretend they had anything new in the tank fwiw

[stray apex]

6000 was performance wise pretty solid

[red breach]

what matters for AMD is that Sony and Microsoft foot the bill for the whole arch so

[stray apex]

dlss wasn't as big last gen, raytracing was even less important, and rdna2 was more or less competitive with rtx3000, even if software was worse

[red breach]

the PC sales are just gravy

[stray apex]

rdna3 is like... rdna2 again?

while lovelace is genuinely very impressive, even if the prices are godawful
and rdna3 prices aren't exactly something to write home about

[red breach]

with chiplet experimentation too

profit is there, or - learning

[olive stump]

Nah, I'm hoping that AMD will cut the MSRP more aggressivily and make it worthwhile for a lot of folks hanging onto 1000 series nvidia cards

[stray apex]

AMD's pricing strategy this gen seems to be pretty similar to what they've tried in the past

[olive stump]

There's a lot of 1000 and 1600 series Nvidia owners looking to jump in the next year or so

[olive stump]

Is it bad that I'm hoping the slump gets worse so that changes?

[tidal minnow]

7000 and 4000 are both dookie in their own rights. Just amd got to the price cut button sooner.

[stray apex]

how can it get any worse?

nvidia sells more halo gpus than amd sells gpus

[red breach]

now that apple is "off" 5nm I assume AMD has more pricing position

[olive stump]

If retailers still trying to clear 6000 series after xmas

[stray apex]

more people have rtx 4090's than rx 6700xt

literally only integrated graphics and the rx580 have higher share than the fucking 4090

like
I don't think it can really get much worse for radeon

[red breach]

literally BMW with M5 and Cadillac with CTS and CTS-V.

[opal thunder]

fr? holy shit

[red breach]

it's just important to realize that radeon is like

[olive stump]

Man this whole convo is depressing

[stray apex]

like
jesus christ

[red breach]

well, not even AMD's main graphics business

I think if you add Xbox + PS + Radeon together you have a number that's many time's nvidia's install base

[olive stump]

(Sits in dark corner quietly hoping on Intel's ARC)

[stray apex]

yeah, and that's basically the only reason radeon even exists

[red breach]

radeon has basically become a dumping ground for some extra cash, just take the architectures that Sony and Microsoft pay you to develop into a secondary market like

even if they have 5% market share, it's essentially "free"

[wind pulsar]

I think if you add the Nintendo Switch, Nvidia sells a lot more GPUs than all three of those combined

[tidal minnow]

In that department amd can be considered a monopoly.

Wait I forgot about the switch

[red breach]

PS4+PS5+XBO+XBX+XSS+XSX+Radeon? Ehhhhhhhh

[olive stump]

AMD is big enough to be in the worst of both worlds, too big to be cheap and nimble but not big enough to achieve scale

[wind pulsar]

PS4 no, but the rest yes

[red breach]

I mean, that's where AMD's making their bread though. It's in margin from people like us, but mostly in volume from projects like that

[wind pulsar]

I'm pretty certain that the Nintendo Switch alone sold more units than every console you just named minus the PS4 combined, yes

[stray apex]

I think they're about the same

[red breach]

58 million xbox one has me thinking probably not but okay

[tidal minnow]

So I'm assuming nvidia has something to do with the switch?

[red breach]

40 million ps5

[stray apex]

the switch uses some ancient nvidia gpu

[crisp sedge]

Hi

[stray apex]

the switch 2 is rumored to be using ampere

[red breach]

it kinda sorta uses Nvidia 700 maxwell tech

it's a tegra design

[vapid cypress]

No

[red breach]

I don't know why anyone thinks nvidia is going to make a chipset for nintendo again

[stray apex]

because nintendo sells a shitload of consoles?

[olive stump]

also the Tegra is sitting right there

[vapid cypress]

Nintendo bad

[wind pulsar]

Then probably not (I underestimated the sales of the newer consoles), but the Switch is currently at 125 million units sold

Though you could also argue with AMD when it comes to Nintendo, because most consoles before that were powered by IBM and AMD

[stray apex]

it's not like nvidia isn't currently spending shitloads of money in soc design and cpus and whatnot

[wind pulsar]

Which includes the Nintendo DS that coincidentally sold 160 million units =p

[red breach]

nvidia got told they couldn't buy ARM and from what I recall had a hissy fit about it

didn't they cancel tegra or am I hallucinating

[stray apex]

no?

nvidia still makes plenty of soc

the orin uses ampere and is currently in some cars, apparently

[crisp sedge]

Twin?

[olive stump]

Yeah, SoCs are a big moneyspinner for Nvidia

[stray apex]

https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-jetson-orin-nano-sets-new-standard-for-entry-level-edge-ai-and-robotics-with-80x-performance-leap

[red breach]

neato

[stray apex]

and nintendo will definitely sell enough consoles for nvidia to custom design something suited for a gaming console

[olive stump]

I'd say Nintendo would pick up Grace for the Switch 2

[wind pulsar]

[fierce moth]

My 2 cents is ampere or ada lovelace

[stray apex]

current rumors are ampere, I believe

nintendo doesn't exactly need the cutting edge

low cost is probably much more important

[olive stump]

Grace is older than Orin

Grace -> Orin -> Thor

[red breach]

which is why I think it's almost assuredly qualcomm's game, or even samsung's

[wind pulsar]

Their entire engineering philosophy is to not use cutting edge technology, there's an entire story behind this lol

[stray apex]

I'm just going off wikipedia
but isn't grace very datacenter focused?

[olive stump]

Lemme check

Yeah you're right, my bad

[stray apex]

orin seems to just use regular ass arm cores

[olive stump]

Orin might be a bit too old tho

[stray apex]

well

it's nintendo
orin uses arm a78 and ampere

it'll be a massive ugprade over the switch

[olive stump]

True

[fierce moth]

Iirc the switch uses maxwell

[olive stump]

Orin I guess is in the best position rn

[stray apex]

I'm basing this solely off the rumor that switch uses ampere

[red breach]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/186081109895?

neato lmao

[fierce moth]

Would be funny if we get fusee gelee v2

[olive stump]

They have the volume to get their own run of Thor, but I don't see them doing that and keeping a similar price-point

[red breach]

I had one of these monstrosities, and I actually kind of miss it. Nvidia/nintendo should really do a clamshell switch I'd be all over that

[stray apex]

yeah, and the switch is currently running stuff that's literally a decade old

so 2020 tech will be like

[wind pulsar]

Beeg

[olive stump]

It'd also line up with rumors that the Switch 2 got bumped back a year bc of the pricing of Orin

8nm fab time hasn't been cheap

[red breach]

thats another wild card does nintendo go back to giving us a home console this round

[stray apex]

I doubt it

the hybrid is just too good

the handheld market is super valuable, and the switch also fills the home console niche

killing two birds with one stone

[olive stump]

Nintendo will keep the form factor

[red breach]

I hear you but at the same time it's just not consistent with how most people I know interact with the device

[olive stump]

It's been too successful