public-chat

[harsh quartz]

deez nuts is bearable but deez nutz is horrendous

[tiny saffron]

American sushi is different than authentic Japanese sushi in many ways

[harsh quartz]

ill have you know that for YEARS i hated sushi cause i just thought sushi was bad, it turns out it was the avocado i hated because now i like sushi i just know to not get one with avocado

[turbid stag]

And by different you mean worse 💀

[harsh quartz]

avocado RUINS sushi and american sushi is perfectly fine

[tiny saffron]

In some ways yeah

[hazy scroll]

meanwhile also the sushi:

this product contains chemicals known to the state of california to cause cancer and/or reproductive harm

[harsh quartz]

although i wont lie my favorite sushi roll is fried so maybe that is a little american but the crispiness is too good

[turbid stag]

Love me some carcinogens

[drifting drum]

isnt that every food in the us

[hazy scroll]

nah it's just everything that exists in california

prop 65 go brrr

[harsh quartz]

all red meats, yes

[tiny saffron]

Every single thing can cause cancer in anyway

[turbid stag]

Including water btw

[hazy scroll]

oh i missed the joke

[harsh quartz]

all red meats are carcinogens cause of i think their nitogen content, seafood and white meats are much safer

[turbid stag]

Skill issue

[bold carbon]

Existing causes cancer

[turbid stag]

Love me some anti veganism red meat

[harsh quartz]

puffer toxins make dolphins high so they torture it by bouncing it around like a volleyball until it releases the toxins

[tiny saffron]

We have background radiation that is possible to cause cancer

[turbid stag]

So would you say 10 litres is a good amount of water to drink per day?

[full fossil]

Gotta get high

[harsh quartz]

the fuck is a litre?

[fallen cedar]

do you want to die?

[turbid stag]

American☠️

[bold carbon]

This just in: living found to be the leading cause of death

[harsh quartz]

bri'ish🤢

[drifting drum]

i drink about 3 1/2 l water per day

[turbid stag]

Wat I thought that was helthy

[tiny saffron]

Depends on your body but it you actually drink that much there might be underlying issues that warrants a doctor visit

[harsh quartz]

in other news, marriages are the #1 cause of divorces

[fallen cedar]

its bait

[turbid stag]

You know most of the world uses metric shit right?💀💀💀💀💀🗿☠️

[pseudo mesa]

No

[bold carbon]

The lady who died in a water drinking contest to win a wii

[harsh quartz]

still british

[fallen cedar]

baaaaaaaaaait

[turbid stag]

Lmao it was a joke☠️

[tiny saffron]

I know

[turbid stag]

What more?

[harsh quartz]

72 terabytes of PCIE m.2 storage help

[pseudo mesa]

Less

[turbid stag]

Nah bro gotta stay hydrated🗿

[gilded quest]

Buy for me? 👉👈🥺

[pseudo mesa]

You're likely going to be dehydrating yourself by causing electrolyte dilution

[vapid smelt]

we use the metric system too... just for bullets

[gilded quest]

How do I convert a terabyte to metric

[harsh quartz]

this is for me and my pirate hat alone 🙂

[full fossil]

Im getting a new gaming pc at best buy wish me luck

[turbid stag]

Wtf is a Fahrenheit 🗿🗿🗿

[hazy scroll]

no u

[gilded quest]

... prebuilt? Diy parts?

[full fossil]

100% of people who drink water die at some point 😱

[harsh quartz]

omen, aka, o...man

[tiny saffron]

I wish you all the best..
buy

[turbid stag]

Water leads to death.. QED

[full fossil]

Im joking guys

[harsh quartz]

were all on a roughly 5 minute long timer and breathing resets that timer

[drifting drum]

10 out of 10 people die

[turbid stag]

Skill issue

[full fossil]

I wanted to see how pissed yall would be

[harsh quartz]

do they though?

[pseudo mesa]

This is a false statement, as there are presently over 7 billion people who have not died who drink water

[harsh quartz]

its your money to piss away

[full fossil]

They have not died… yet

[full fossil]

K

[pseudo mesa]

Which is... I believe more people than have ever existed before, so it's not even something you could statistically conclude

[full fossil]

QED

Anyways if anyone wants to help me build a pc i posted a support thread

[harsh quartz]

almost 8 billion now btw\

[pseudo mesa]

PCs need to have more than 1 thread

[turbid stag]

Nah bro one core one thread enough 🗿

[full fossil]

??????

[pseudo mesa]

It's a joke

[drifting drum]

pcs need to have

[harsh quartz]

8 core 1 thread

[full fossil]

https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1140848476356349994 oh ok

What’s the cheapest funniest laptop you have seen

[turbid stag]

0.125 threads per core🗿

[harsh quartz]

its just 8 cores working really hard on the same thing

[turbid stag]

Is that correct?
Mental math 4 am moment

[harsh quartz]

would 8 core 1 thread be faster, slower, or the same at 1 core 1 thread?

[turbid stag]

Probs same speed

[bronze hatch]

why r all the comments about gamers nexus on the fifine video 😭

[turbid stag]

Cuz linus is in deep shit

[bronze hatch]

yupppp😭

[harsh quartz]

cause people have 1 thread and right now its taken up by gn

[turbid stag]

I guess linus didn't drop the mic in his video cuz steve already did🗿☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

[bronze hatch]

is it all over the quality of videos and the treatment of employees

Louis Rossman did a video on this a while ago defending Linus

[harsh quartz]

its primarily over the quality and the billet waterblock thing but thats seemingly resolved

[spring socket]

More like Linus delivered a nonapology

[harsh quartz]

for most of it ye4s, but he did post a resolution for the billet waterblock thing

[bronze hatch]

when was this apology

and how was the waterblock stuff resolved

[echo sail]

i guess the data for their reviews since a lot of errors and the waterblock thing

[last solstice]

wait so you guys are telling me linus is not going to respond to the whole situation during the wan show even with all of this evidence that build up against him ? isnt that just a bad move thats gona get everyone to be mad at him for no reason (its not even drama any way gamers nexus is looks like a legitimately concerned friend who is trying to help out his homies)

[harsh quartz]

he promised to pay restitution payments for the waterblock to get them prototype like the one they lost.

[turbid stag]

He really doesn't care

[spring socket]

He's dogshit at PR

[bronze hatch]

Linus isn’t even CEO anymore

[harsh quartz]

yeah, so are most people, theres a reason it requires a seperate deparment

[last solstice]

and here I was thinking that linus was atleast somewhat caring

[bronze hatch]

but he’s the face so he’s the one taking the shit ig(even tho the rapid decrease in quality did start with him)

[rocky knot]

also probably part of why he steped down

[turbid stag]

Unfortunately i had the same impression

[harsh quartz]

yeah, and that stepping down is also why he cant really do anything about this, its not his place to resolve this issue anymore, especially the quality issues. thats all terran now

[turbid stag]

And it hurts cuz I grew up with ltt

[turbid stag]

Well he's still the owner

[rocky knot]

Ehhhhh hes still a stock holder.

[harsh quartz]

yes but there are still channels to go through now that werent there before

[last solstice]

I can see why he decided to do this before the gamers nexus vid but I didnt know it was this dam bad to the point where he is not even trying to care

[wispy marsh]

Hmm

[tiny saffron]

Nah, Linus still have the say, he got all the ltt stocks. Sure hoping he owns it, acknowledge the mistake, fix it up and move on

[rocky knot]

Hes normally good about this, even if it takes a few days and a WAN show

[harsh quartz]

thats what hes doing, people just are unhappy with the acknowledgment, everyone was saying that the big issue is the waterblock, which he has already resolved. the other issues will take time and people are expecting too much too fast

[turbid stag]

I can't see him apologising

[tiny saffron]

If not I will take away all his step stool in where he work and live

[harsh quartz]

hes lost tall priviledges

[rocky knot]

Is linus even actually that short?

[last solstice]

well what i was expecting imediately was to see there being less vids. and I guess todays vid was pretty l8 so I guess improvment

[harsh quartz]

idk, i havent met the guy

[rocky knot]

Someone should awnser this

[bronze hatch]

Honestly, the rapid content is fine for the entertaining stuff like the facebook video or the upgrade video, but i feel like the data driven objective ones should be heavily scrutinized and taken time with. that’s just my thoughts on this.

[harsh quartz]

but again thats not just his decision to make anymore, even if he wants that he still ahs a CEO that he at least ahs to talk to about it before making decisions\

[rocky knot]

embargoes are a problem tho

[bronze hatch]

true

[harsh quartz]

and how they have to play to the audience, cause interest dies almost immediatly after something comes out

[atomic vessel]

yeah very difficult to do 'good reviews' when companies keep giving them terrible deadlines

[last solstice]

truing. Im asuming there was at least an emergency meeting or smth

[rocky knot]

Idk what I want to see, i just want improvement. Even if they review less tech

[tiny saffron]

Yep, which are one of the problems. But with labs they sure have the things to make it more accurate than most

[harsh quartz]

i mean, clearly something was done, there was a long statement given and the video was pushed back today. We will probably see more moving forward but to expect something TODAY was insane

[patent violet]

His living is built around LMG, he has to step down or he risks losing money he needs to feed his family and keep his house

[rocky knot]

Im here for the crazy projects that are entertain/WTFAWDT instead of like reviews.

[patent violet]

Being in front of the camera has high risks for crap like this.

And this is what happens when you don't watch what you say or watch what you do. Let it all go to your head and suddenly you might end up burying yourself

[harsh quartz]

if i want hard numbers for gpus or cpus or the like, i usually go to GN or J2C cause i prefer their benchmarks anyways, i just watch LTT videos cause theyre good content, and thats their goal at the end of the day

[tiny saffron]

Imo him stepping down probably a bad move either way, best to have him own up the mistakes and vow to fix it

[patent violet]

It's not the right move in this sense of what is the right face decision but it is the right move in order to protect what he has

[rocky knot]

Linus still has success of the company at heart, even outside of bottom line. He has to run a business but hes willing to spend money where he thinks its viable and has actual benifiet. Screwdriver, Backpack, Build Projects etc etc. I have a feeling that Linus is slowley losing interest in full out reviews

[patent violet]

And given the fact that this is all driven by money in the end that's going to be what the decision is going to focus on.

[tiny saffron]

Ngl the reputation his will be there but not gonna collapse the company, but this is just a guess.

[harsh quartz]

he lost that a long time ago, he always says he just does it cause it gets retention

[turbid stag]

Same

[rocky knot]

I wouldnt be suprised if they stop reviewing stuff for a bit. At least to reform how they do them.

[patent violet]

If I remember correctly that screwdriver was a mess anyways but yes he built a name for himself and has been successful. But the Tunnel vision here is real and the money that he is spending is usually investment money and is earned or acquired through means that were already proposed to whomever gave him the money

That money is an investment into the company to generate content

[harsh quartz]

i dont think thats theyre style, theyll probably make an immediate change in policy and throw it into videos haphazardly to see if it works

[patent violet]

From humble beginnings to rich ends. It happens

[tiny saffron]

Money in the end is important afterall, it's what pays his employees tho. The sad song of a company

[harsh quartz]

the screwdriver was only a mess due to stuff outside of their control, what they actually had control over went pretty well

[patent violet]

Stepping down is the right move quit while you're ahead.

[turbid stag]

Except he's still the shareholder so idk how stepping down will change things

[patent violet]

Actually it is in their control It is up to the company to ensure quality control is properly employed and that's how it works every single day with every other company or how it should happen sometimes they do cut corners and guess what happens stuff like the screwdriver

[last solstice]

but why and how. why does this always happen god why (but srsly though how is this always something that happens to people no matter how good they are)

[rocky knot]

This would be the wrong approach imo. At least immediatley.

They really should hold actual reviews for a bit, do more wacky content, and refine how the Labs gets accurate for a bit.

Then again, im not a youtuber who reviews tech

[harsh quartz]

wait what are you referring to?

[harsh quartz]

oh i definitely agree, i just dont think theyll do it

[patent violet]

From what I saw a lot of those screwdrivers were not up to par. I also saw a lot of issues with returns and yada yada yada But I did not dig into it.

[tiny saffron]

Imo best to separate 2 way to make videos, one is the reviewer way, another is a fun way

[rocky knot]

The issues with the Screwdriver were mostly in devolopement. Thats just devoloping a product, esspecially from scratch. From my understanding, minus a few smaller mishaps, the actual release was okay. correct me if im wrong

[harsh quartz]

the screwdrivers were perfectly fine, the only issue was for the black shafted drivers had long delivery times and it wasnt well communicated. The release went perfectly fine with the normal silver shaft. and as someone who has a screwdrive rand uses it regularly, its great

[patent violet]

Whenever the screwdriver became available on the store that's the pictures I had saw and all the complaints. Broken screwdrivers or shafts coming out.

[tiny saffron]

Same here, from what i heard the quality overall are good, just the RND is a wacky ride

[harsh quartz]

i definitely didnt see the same issue

[turbid stag]

Actuall jayz two cents broke a plastic part off the bit compartment so idk

[rocky knot]

In fairness, it was the first time they made a screwdrive. All companies thay make products have bad first releases. What makes them good at what they do is there admission of fault (if any) and there support is willing to replace whats broke. LTT Support is cracked.

[patent violet]

These were just complaints I had received from people I had asked about that I had known were buying the screwdrivers

[tiny saffron]

I heard J2C said the bit holder is broken but only if you keep dropping it

[harsh quartz]

he broke a tiny clip that holds a singular bit after dropping it, thats hardly the tool designers fault

[turbid stag]

Did I say it was their fault?

[tiny saffron]

It was colton fault

[calm trench]

my guy it was literally in bold at the top of the product page

[harsh quartz]

no but you said it in the context of a conversation blaming ltt for bad screwdrivers so connections are made, etiehr way, im very happy with my screwdriver and it hasnt broken

[rocky knot]

Ironic from the man who drops.

[turbid stag]

💀

[patent violet]

I totally believe this. It's just the volume of problems that I had people show me was a little bit concerning and had the essence of biting off a bit more than could be chewed at first

[rocky knot]

(Im joking, Honestly there product releases are generally really smooth, esspecially compared to other companies who have multi thousands of people)

[harsh quartz]

when i bought mine it was definitely NOT in bold at the top. I contacted customer service and when i got a response from them i checked the page and thats when it was there, buit when i first bought it was not there, at least not that i saw.

[vapid smelt]

https://youtu.be/ybR3VAvBkXY?t=531 ltt viewer picking his nose during a tour (timestamped)

[rocky knot]

Average LTT Viewer moment

[tiny saffron]

I'll pick my nose on camera

[jaunty compass]

I haven't watched the GN video yet

[patent violet]

Yeah he is an average LTT viewer

[rocky knot]

ive been holding off, wanna see what the noctuas look like

[patent violet]

That's why he's there lol

[harsh quartz]

im kinda miffed that they doing custom color schemes and stuff now, i wish i had held off, i thought that the black shaft would be the most "custom" one i could get

[vapid smelt]

i already own a nocuta screw driver

[turbid stag]

The black shaft☠️

[rocky knot]

buy another 😛

[harsh quartz]

no 🙂

[jaunty compass]

I haven't bought the LTT driver because I have a set of electric drivers and a iFixit kit I got for $8

[rocky knot]

One for everyday of the week 🙂

[jaunty compass]

And those combined are like
plenty for me

[harsh quartz]

this ones childs play, you need the real noctua screwdriver. The one that comes with the nh-d15

[turbid stag]

Bequiet screwdriver on top

[vapid smelt]

got that too

[tiny saffron]

Use noctua screwdriver to get extra cooling

[harsh quartz]

am i the only one that thought the "ugly noctua" computer looked amazing?

[turbid stag]

Yes🤣

[tiny saffron]

I mean it's unique alright

[harsh quartz]

i will firmly stand by it then, i fucking loved that computer

[empty lava]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-heading-down-a-dark-path-the-clone-wars-star-wars-gif-16326567

[sharp elm]

Has anyone had this problem, i got a terabyte and acidentally downloaded steam on that, now steam wont let me download games and ive tryed uninstalling and restalling it it and it always stays on atleast one drive. Im not good at computer stuff so this is out of my knowledge if theres anything that anyone can do to help, please dm me. Thank you

[brisk tundra]

man the recent video is just getting reckt

by the view numbers and the like to dislike ratio

[steep girder]

Did you go into settings and add a second library? 0.0

[sharp elm]

wdym second library

[brisk tundra]

and I know why, the dislikes are not about the video itself, but from the issues at hand

[steep girder]

By default, there is only one option for install path of all games which is inside steamapps directory wherever steam itself was put

[sharp elm]

ive had this computer for 2 years and im still dumb

[steep girder]

Go to steam top left > settings >

storage section. Then press that round plus beside the drive showing (which for you would only be one; it's the drive steam itself resides in)

[sharp elm]

i have 2

when i download things it justs keeps pausing it

[steep girder]

Ok so every game install, you should get choice in combo box. Drop down. I think it always for me defaults to last one I selected per the steam install

[steep girder]

Is the pausing one a hard drive by chance? :V
If it says downloading but internet usage drops to 0 periodically, thats normal for hdd and fast internet. It's extracting and writing back the files it downloaded by disk too slow. Nowadays they finally added the message tbh. Patching, etc. Not downloading all the time

[sharp elm]

is the umm problem that its a flash drive?

[steep girder]

If it pauses the downloads completely (and says queued and whatnot afterwards again), it should happen if you start another download. It doesn't do two at once. Another way I know this happens is a game is running as far as Steam thinks and your downloads settings have allow while game running unticked

[steep girder]

Idk but I remember my buddies using portable hdds n crap over usb for Steam games too. If Steam allows you to create a library on it and select it, idk. Regardless, it should work.

[sharp elm]

ooooh bc i was playing valorant while downloading is that why it didnt work?

[steep girder]

But yeah bad idea I remember. USB drives in general with Steam I think cause issues. If it pauses randomly idk. Steam should indicate some interesting stuff. Honestly, Steam aught to be aware of usb drive not oblivious. Or handle removed/changed drive letters. It has settings stored per the library from the looks of it

[sharp elm]

ok thank you if it downloads this and im able to play it ill tell you but thanks for your help

[steep girder]

Yes but only until the usb port is unplugged remember that.

[sharp elm]

ok i will

[steep girder]

Right well while keeping that in mind, also remember that not even PC knows when device is about to be unplugged. Games certainly aren't written for that.

[vocal saddle]

No surprise it's deserved

[steep girder]

what's funny is if one day you stumble across a yt vid whose comments to views ratio is 10^-n where n is the order of 10s views are in... but has almost entire ratio dislikes

[green fog]

No we don't

[brave lava]

you don't love a youtube personality, you respect them when they behave in a manner which merits it

"we love you, youtube personality! you are beyond all criticism, and you deserve my personal parasocial affection" cringe

[vapid smelt]

[brave lava]

yes, any disagreement over literally worshipping linus = fan of GN?

[blazing orbit]

this has been an interesting day for sure

[green fog]

Help me please please my pc won't display

[spare axle]

Question:
Did GN comment about reaching out to LTT for an official answer on the questions they have? As a journalism channel, they should have

[steep girder]

Because the only way that happens is if you pay for views and then extra for ratings... only they have option of both ratings and they picked dislike for some reason

From personal experience, I didn't even see an option like that. Would be kind of a troll. Today's times, might as well do that because comments ratio even YouTube shadow bans the video beyond event horizon. You'll never see it again which means you'll never get real comments and views again. If you try paying for comments a second time, now you have magical first half views flood in that look like bots. Then some period of time passes and your video got another flood of views all interacting this time.

YouTube: Hmm... what should I decide about 100k views 15k comments for video that we banned from showing up in any relevant feed...

[cyan laurel]

By that logic, shouldn't LMG have reached out to Billet about the water block about any questions before publishing the video? As a journalism channel, they should have

[brave lava]

they did

and got proper feedback, which they ignored lol

[sharp elm]

hey yeah i just tried dwonloading warframe it got done reserving space then it just paused, its been doing this i cant unpause it

[blazing orbit]

its that pesky "Ignoring" part

[steep girder]

Idk but check if the other drives don't do that and only usb one has this issue

[brave lava]

@green fog save your reacts until you read or else you'll look like an idiot

[sharp elm]

ill check

[steep girder]

After that, check what's even going on in the install folder after it reserves but honestly if it's a usb drive only doing that, might be no point. Nothing good is happening for sure lol. Try a different usb port maybe?

[wispy marsh]

inbred or embed?

[brave lava]

inbred*

[green fog]

Do something about it little boy @brave lava

[steep girder]

In power options idk if performance or ultra does it, but in advanced options maybe a good idea to turn off power saving and sleep devices whatever those settings are. I don't remember.

[full fossil]

Embred

[steep girder]

Problem w usb disk is that first of all some games will save user data to the install folder; not where ideally it's supposed to in appdata or at least somewhere in profile on system drive

I think download cache and workshop crap for the same game also go into the same library so sheesh

[blazing orbit]

i feel like i might get into some hot water for a meme i made about today

[wispy marsh]

Thanks!
https://picrew.me

[steep girder]

100% of all prokaryotic single-cell organisms are inbred directly with immediate-most ancestor specimen

[hearty island]

Does anyone know an alternate to the linnmon table top or like a desk? Mine is starting to curve

[wispy marsh]

I'm not educated enough to make an informed opinion on that.

[sharp elm]

so i tried it using my normal disk and it worked maybe the usb

[wispy marsh]

Did you mount your monitors on it?

[sharp elm]

and im a laptop gamer so idk if thats also something?

[steep girder]

Us: might keep too many genes with recessive 'defects'. Need other DNA
Bacteria: Need other DNA but how lol

[hearty island]

Yea gotta teach it a lesson 🙏🙏🙏😈😈😈

[wispy marsh]

My monitors are wall-mounted, my ikea chipboard table doesn't bend

[steep girder]

Laptop gaming probably is the very thing that led you to using a portable drive for apps

[wispy marsh]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/931960199911206945/1106252554888806490/IMG_1232.jpg

[hearty island]

Very cool 👍

[exotic ridge]

That ventilation - straight to the outside?

[sharp elm]

im buying a pc in like a month because i cant take this laptop anymore

[wispy marsh]

Yep

[steep girder]

That too might have been entirely the fault of laptop. You can't upgrade it. I hope your next pc is desktop lol.

For mobile purposes, idk you still can use this laptop so long as it's not broken lol. Like surely it's absolutely fine on MS word right?

[scarlet relic]

to be fair the PS4 development kit video that GN posted was quite entertaining

[steep girder]

Playing video file or youtube idk. What else is there to do on laptop?

[full fossil]

Minesweeper

[steep girder]

I personally have a few unique uses for notebooks sometimes. Like useful for plugging focusrite card in and bringing it down to yamaha and record it

[full fossil]

Hey does anyone here have an Lt720?

[sharp elm]

i can play val and stuff on it but yeah its fine on ms word

[steep girder]

It's only because bringing yamaha to computer is much harder lol

Yeah but val and stuff... like would you play it in a starbucks ever? Or is literally every single time you game on that notebook at home lol

[lost summit]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[steep girder]

Minesweeper sure. I guess it's not too bad in a busy coffee shop while I'm waiting for ms word to load lol

[full fossil]

I remember playing a match of SND while on a laptop in McDonald's

Had about 7 guys behind me watching XD

[gentle slate]

I've returned to Firefox for the time being. Vivaldi is bug

[full fossil]

Firefox is slightly broken for me, images never load at all although that was on my old windows installation I wonder if on a fresh install it fixed it

[scarlet relic]

i love that FF14 intro

[full fossil]

Yea I had to reinstall windows because my old installation borked it's self

[outer cave]

Is there any websites to where you can pick your parts for a pc then it can show it via a 3d model?

[wispy marsh]

~~http://127.0.0.1~~

[outer cave]

like on the porsche website you can customize your car and it shows it but for pcs

[full fossil]

Windows tried to update during booting (I think, I don't understand logs) but I couldn't even get to the restore troubleshoot menu because it kept rebooting evey time.

[wispy marsh]

Maybe pc building simulator or the nzxt building app

[full fossil]

God windows is amazing

[outer cave]

???

[gentle slate]

I've got my trusty usb drive with me.

[steep girder]

Yeah I mean I played HL1 lan matches on ibm notebooks I think without mouse (only because we didn't have mouse). Trackpad? Nah. TracTOR lol.

[sharp elm]

mostly at home

[gentle slate]

I'll install Linux on my laptop today. Wish me luck brothers.

[full fossil]

I also forgot how slow windows runs on a hard drive (it's temporary)

[gentle slate]

Linux Daily Driver 2: Electric Boogaloo. 2nd times the charm.

[opal pond]

what distro are you planning on installing?

[gentle slate]

Arch as always.

[steep girder]

Trackpad literally impossible for fps. If there's a nip mouse, that I've used. It's actually pretty decent considering all else. If only trackpad is avail, I legit just use arrow keys other hand. That's how they used to do it at the dawn of FPS games on PC.

[full fossil]

Gonna get new ssd next week and only install windows to it and nothing else, well some programs but not the important ones.

Can't wait to have to reinstall over 100 different programs next week

[steep girder]

Right? And how many of those games if you're talking more than one were never outside of home because of internet or mouse or something?

[outer cave]

Are you allowed pcpartpicker links in this channel?

[steep girder]

Like idk competitive cs go if anybody ever played in coffee shop, it was with full keyboard and mouse still.

[wispy marsh]

Not in this channel

[gentle slate]

I personally play some games on my laptop. Namely factorio, dwarf fortress, some side a roller titles with controller.

[steep girder]

Oh true controller yeah isn't a bad idea

[wispy marsh]

I run vscode on my laptop. It's company provided

[gentle slate]

Hell I even play WoW and FFXIV on my laptop.

Wireless mouse go brr

[torpid obsidian]

has linus responded to the gamersnexus video

[gentle slate]

No

[full fossil]

I'm still using the same mouse from 6 maybe 7 years ago and it still works fine but I will need an upgrade at some point

[torpid obsidian]

do u think hes gonna have beef? do you think he will just take it as a suggestion?

[gentle slate]

My wired g502 started double clicking and was unable to hold a click down. I loved that mouse. So I bought a wireless g502

[gentle slate]

Idk idek what happened.

[full fossil]

I want a new mouse but finding a wireless mouse with extra macro keys is not easy

[torpid obsidian]

did u watch it?

[steep girder]

Is the os linux or something lol

[gentle slate]

I don't watch Linus or gn

[sharp elm]

all of my games have been outside of my house , i just go to another house 💀

[full fossil]

steelseries does have one but I'm 50/50 on it

[gentle slate]

G502

[unreal lodge]

I like my redragon

[full fossil]

G502 doesn't have enough buttons

[gentle slate]

I've been thinking of getting a wireless mmo mouse.

[outer cave]

Explain why prebuilts can have the most decked-out specs like a 4090 and an i9-13900ks yet they only have 16gb ram and a 500gb ssd

[wispy marsh]

vscode is a microsoft product, y'know?

[steep girder]

Missing out. Ever seen a cup of liquid N2 mounted on delidded cpu? Gamers nexus. It's where you find it

[gentle slate]

Cutting costs.

[full fossil]

I currently use a Corsair Scimitar that has 12 macro buttons and yes I use all of them

[outer cave]

still isn't that bottleneck?

[gentle slate]

Where's the bottleneck

[full fossil]

Yea I love watching Steve loose his mind when taking apart Dell prebuilts

[outer cave]

having more vram then normal ram and let alone only having 16gb of ram with a 4080 or 4090

[gentle slate]

Idk I ain't seen no game eat up my 16gb yet.

[outer cave]

try modded games

[full fossil]

I've had VRChat take up 18GB of ram before alongside Big Minecraft mod packs taking up 10GBs

[vivid hearth]

Modded Minecraft

[outer cave]

or perhaps beamng

[steep girder]

Yeah it also runs on linux. As opposed to still the full visual studios lol. Tbh vs code I used for python. If I needed to work with python on windows, I might still use vscode idk. Honestly that's assuming too much because I don't want to deal w python. VS code is the only more or less full ide I used for it

[gentle slate]

Nodded MC is best up until 8GB RAM. Beyond that Java gc begins taking a shit.

[outer cave]

especially that with over 300 mods

[vivid hearth]

Dungeons, Dragons & Space Shuttles Lmao

[outer cave]

yes but the Java program running too can take up 12gb

[gentle slate]

Also idk the only modpack I play is GTNH

[full fossil]

Actually I noticed that if you use IC2 Nukes and basically destroy the world it causes to use more ram to the point where my worlds won't load

[steep girder]

Python maybe if have to, I'd consider like vim first if it's not too much effort. Also in WSL ideally because python install on windows

[outer cave]

vanilla is boring thats why I play with mods

[rugged vessel]

I Play with mods, but I never want a “modded” experience. I like a vanilla “enhanced” experience

[full fossil]

I tried to get my friends to play modded but they called Tinkers Construct "diffcult to learn"

[gentle slate]

More reason to not touch VRChat with something shorter than a 10ft pole.

[outer cave]

Thing is 16gb of ram is bottleneck for a 4090 considering it has 24gb vram

[gentle slate]

Upgrade the RAM if it's problem

Oh wait it's a pre-built and you'd void the warranty.

[torpid obsidian]

we were talkin about his most recent vid

[full fossil]

VRChat only does that when your in a room with loads of people, it's because textures of avatars are loaded into the ram and considering people have super duper high quality ones it eats up a lot

[gentle slate]

Why don't they go in the vram

[wispy marsh]

I use it for python, good debugging plugin

[outer cave]

its not a console

[full fossil]

Because the dev team is terrible

[rugged vessel]

and tech debt most likely

[outer cave]

tell that to mojang

[full fossil]

Microsoft*

[rugged vessel]

they put it in RAM when GPUs had like 2G of VRAM and avatars and textures were lower quality most likely

[outer cave]

just kidding but though adding 1 block and a new mob is insane per year

[full fossil]

Yea that's why I find vanilla just boring because instead of adding loads of stuff they add useless stuff that has 1 use to it where modded gives you unlimited uses.

[gentle slate]

Sounds like it's time for vrchat to get reworked

[outer cave]

yes including the abomination of their "marketplace" Microsoft is really like EA now that I think about it

[outer cave]

true, get bored? add more mods

[gentle slate]

Tech debt is sad. It's plaguing and hurting ffxiv

[dense stirrup]

I did lol

[full fossil]

Like my friends would always want a vanilla server up and running and I tell it will die in 2 months and they always say why would it die in 2 months?

[steep girder]

On the other hand, I recently got into Valheim. Literally the one thing I really wish for is that it took place in the normal world and not in some Viking purgatory. It would literally be perfect to me

[gentle slate]

Coz your friends got no drive and no power

[full fossil]

Completely oblivious, well that's happens when they play too much valorant

[rugged vessel]

• Create concepts for a update

• Start Development on multiple concepts

• Solidify on one idea

• Start work on fixing tech debt and changing some fundamental components of their game (which affects everything else)

• Bug-fix

Modders honestly have it easy compared to the actual dev team. They’re working on a layer ABOVE the dev team, just editing and adding code. Mods almost never feel as clean or the same as Minecraft vanilla, because they’re on the surface layer

Developing a game is hard, even harder for a older game like Minecraft

[gentle slate]

Oh god valheim was mentioned. I must refrain from talking smack about it

[steep girder]

Plus my buddy pointed out eventually how there might never be bears even planned because they don't exist in that realm according to viking beliefs. Maybe bears aren't there because they die a warriors death who tf knows lol

[full fossil]

Well I say my friends but they yeeted me from their server 6 months ago and idk why.

[outer cave]

But do you think a team of a couple hundred people could still do more then a mob and a block in an entire year?

[gentle slate]

So hmm. Do I install arch on my laptop today?

[full fossil]

At this point I'm not too bothered, they were getting annoying anyway, playing valorant 24/7

[hot tartan]

Bears def die warriors deaths, especially cocaine bear

[gentle slate]

I wanna daily drive Linux on something. But that something certainly won't be my pc

[full fossil]

Considering they had to split one big update into 2 updates shows they are lacking people

[rugged vessel]

That team of couple hundred is most likely not all programmers

Artists, team lead, designers, etc. etc.

Not even counting the Bedrock team

[outer cave]

thats my point

[outer cave]

still alot of people for a block and a mob in an entire year

[gentle slate]

Linus do big dumb. Now the internet is having a meltdown

[outer cave]

(insert realtek wifi card)

[full fossil]

Okay one great use case for a laptop is discord, my hands are hurting from using mobile

[rugged vessel]

they’re working with code from literally 2008 bro

You ever program something and then a week later look back at it and say “wtf is this”? imagine that but the dude who wrote it isn’t even working with you anymore, and he probably didn’t write comments

[steep girder]

Right so there you go. No bears lol. The mods idk I didn't try. It's one of those natives install dll file type deals idk. Or maybe managed. I forget it's either unity or unreal engine. Typical modding for unity dll file lol. I hope it's 0% native and 100% resource with scripts lmao

[outer cave]

or meditek whatever is on gamimg laptops

[wispy marsh]

Install ubuntu on a USB

[outer cave]

what has that got to do with anything

[wispy marsh]

Get familiarised with linux first before you decide if you'd move there

[outer cave]

you do realize rockstar games still works on code from 2013 with GTA V and the gta trilogys

[rugged vessel]

everything? like what

[outer cave]

not to mention windows 10 still has windows 7 or vista code yet they still push out updates and work on it

wouldnt be surprised if their dev team works 2 hours a week at most

[steep girder]

Theyre working with millions of blocks within each client's line of sight streamed over network, rendered, etc. Also updated logically. See how quickly server begins to eat up cpu if you have a lot of redstone going at once and force it to all update.

[rugged vessel]

2000 employees vs…. 600

and not even gonna get into Microsoft and their absolute enormous budget and team

[ancient pulsar]

Personally I do love both Linux and Mac for general use, but has to use Windows for gaming

[steep girder]

Also 2008 yeah only like 2 dudes coded it and had no regard for multiplayer at all. That was a big problem for them. They hired a bunch of programmers at one point who knew what they were doing and rewrote a big chunk of it, remember?

[full fossil]

i can say it's tideous making a texture pack, the fact that some blocks have different faces or weapons have animation is a pain

[hidden geyser]

Not really. Server stacks are a bruh and UX, particularly in specific types of apps, is a comical nightmare.

[outer cave]

does that matter thats not the point

[steep girder]

"Splitting up code into client and server". Whenever you see that, it's a bad indication. The game was written poorly for client-server net play.

[outer cave]

and keep in mind that windows gets massive updates every month or so and it takes minecraft a year to add one new block and a mob

[hidden geyser]

Debian, if not QNX or BSD

[rugged vessel]

“Massive updates”

name one massive change to windows 11 in the last year

[outer cave]

realistically they could add a biome as large as the nether + a biome a year with new functions with the amount of employees on each team and they could do the nether update in 6 months

[hidden geyser]

I was specific for a reason

[steep girder]

Yes practically. No technically. Definitely not a Linux if you're an Arch user. Debian must die in that case and all its users lama.

[outer cave]

extreme bug fixes + a whole new ui with sound and driver support

[rugged vessel]

damn j should’ve looked at your profile earlier I wouldn’t have fallen into the bait

[outer cave]

not to mention support for apple and ios dsvices for phone link

[outer cave]

what bait?

[full fossil]

i find it funny how prior releases were kept tamed so low end systems could run the game but then they extened the world size which for some people i know say running the game is harder XD

[outer cave]

??

[gentle slate]

SHIII I forgot to login on Mozilla to sync my Firefox config

[full fossil]

minecraft world height was 256 for years but then in 1.19 they changed it to 320

[hidden geyser]

I need to repeat; this is not universal, and having a menu clusterfuck + excessive reliance on Terminal CLI… calling that superior is a real stretch...

[gentle slate]

More than 50% of my non steam games won't run on Linux

[outer cave]

and as for concept ideas modders can come up with great ideas in less then 2 hours

[full fossil]

and also made it so you can mine past 0 down to -64

[ancient pulsar]

I honestly wish Apple would make OSX available for anyone, and gamingperformance in it 😛

[outer cave]

oh yea that

[hidden geyser]

Okay, and this is relevant… how?

[steep girder]

Biomes are just meta they generate as zones at the beginning. A lot of it is just rendering effects to make water look more swampy, etc. Nether isn't a big problem actually because it's a giant cave and walled off usually. The real problem is overworld where if you want to ever get rid of draw distance online, you'd have to pre-generate lod terrain surfaces. The blocks change so I guess the more indepth lods have to also be update once a while.

This is the only thing you can send to clients at a certain distance because the only alternative is those same millions of blocks per player lmao

[gentle slate]

I play ffxiv, wow, league and SS13. League breaks every patch, SS13 will never run on Linux.

[full fossil]

tbh my mums laptop isn't that bad, the keyboard is alright and doesn't feel bad although for me to use a laptop i have to have it tilted down a few degrees

[gentle slate]

50%.

[hidden geyser]

And… who cares?

[outer cave]

???

[steep girder]

Which might be in quadrillions at this point. But you only need surface of the terrain. Even then, at that point you've probably too many blocks just on the surface. Plus the server needs to figure out with tests or somehow keep track of this hull crap. Might as well just pre-render distant terrain.

[ancient pulsar]

I mean, you can disable the TPM check

[full fossil]

you need to reboot to be on the new kernel lol

[outer cave]

so its not that much work in general?

[full fossil]

my mother board doesn't even have TPM 2.0

[steep girder]

Yeah just make sure you disable the TPM in OS first if you ever wanna use it again

[gentle slate]

Why are people bothered by rebooting? It's not 2004. We got ssds

[outer cave]

there is a distant horizons mod which kinda preloads the terrain

[full fossil]

i reboot my system 2 times a day to keep it speedy

[steep girder]

Oh finally lol. Was just about to say. Does it work nicely in multiplayer?

[dawn crystal]

You still have to reopen your stuff...

[hidden geyser]

What a comical take. You have no clue on the tech history as a macro, nor the progression of human preferences

[gentle slate]

Reopen it

[green fog]

Quick question if I plug the hdmi on the motherboard even though it doesn't have integrated gpu. Will I get any image? Like just for a sec

[outer cave]

not sure but if you are moving fast and with other biome mods it the chunk can turn to black before it loads

[steep girder]

Misread as canonical take for a second lol

[full fossil]

it's much more than that haha

[full fossil]

no

[green fog]

Fock

[dawn crystal]

Not wired to anything

[hidden geyser]

If this is what you are picking on, then you have no legitimate or useful information

[rough socket]

I am a Linux user and I strongly believe that what you say is overly exaggerated

Windows has its drawbacks and shortcomings but it's not a "piece of crap"

[steep girder]

What a canonical take. Forcing garbage down people's throats ||like snapd||

[full fossil]

yea i tried that when i was building my system

[dawn crystal]

Windows is pretty crap

[gentle slate]

Bobby works great but only on servers. https://i.imgur.com/nevI64t.jpeg

[hidden geyser]

USE CASES

[dawn crystal]

It's slow, full of bloatware and the default config is IMO user-hostile

[gentle slate]

Didn't know my personal pc is meant to be a server

[vagrant leaf]

Hi people can I pls speak to a mod

[dawn crystal]

If I wanted Candy Crush I'd download it

[rough socket]

So first there are people using windows servers, even if I do find this a bit dumb lmao
Then Linux being better for servers doesn't mean that windows is a piece of crap for desktop users

[green fog]

My pc is not pcing bro

[ancient pulsar]

Mavericks, you can just make a local account, it's not hard

[full fossil]

with windows 11 you cant, apparently

[rough socket]

It's not a question of performances but customisability and software compatibility for servers

[vagrant leaf]

I wanna speak to a mod

[green fog]

Can anyone help a brother on tech support

[dawn crystal]

It is, however crap for desktop users. It's just that tools like WINE and Proton still do not fully address the software compatibility gap and Linux is not a desirable target for game devs

[outer cave]

pcpartpicker should have the region saved so you dont have to reset it everytime

[ancient pulsar]

Yes you can Joshy, disconnect your networkcable, click I don't have internet a couple times and then it lets you make a local account

[gentle slate]

Can't have performance gains if the game don't run taps head

[dawn crystal]

-And Linux isn't perfect either

[rough socket]

Yeah then go explain to a normie why they have to follow a tuto and downloads strange things on GitHub to change the runtime of lutris to be able to play league of legends for example

[full fossil]

huh that weird because i remember trying that and didn't work before, i mean idc i always log in with an account because im not picky

[steep girder]

I have a Microsoft account. The issue is that I don't want my windows NT user to be roaming profile or some sht synced across all machines and my login creds to be hotmail address, Plus don't forget they make you use a pin as backup lol

[dawn crystal]

Development on Linux+linux workstations are great

[full fossil]

also your win key is tied to your outlook account which i think is very cool, saves me time and money

[gentle slate]

Ok. Why do Linux users always chalk it up to user issues? SS13 requires a specific version of js and Ie thatll never get developed

[rough socket]

I mean, sure Linux is becoming usable for a gamer and it has a lot of big advantages, which is btw why I use it (like having a customised tiling windows manager)
But this doesn't mean it's made for everyone as of today

[dawn crystal]

Definitely not

[gentle slate]

Coz it's a deal breaker for me.

[steep girder]

Like if youre signing in w microsoft account, might as well make backup same as recovery for hotmail n sht. Going the other way tbh, does Windows 10 or 11 even ever ask you for 2fa when you sign in with microsoft acc? Because wtf. So you can bypass 2fa just by adding somebody else's account to your pc...

[hidden geyser]

Not nearly close enough to the real world use case of today

[steep girder]

Or does it ask for 2fa at least when you add to pc locally? That should be minimum lmao

[gentle slate]

Shit I got caught up chatting and missed my stop

Doesn't work anymore

[rough socket]

Yeah but then again having to find a custom script to play a game is a lot for a lot of people
So maybe pebcac but not everyone is and want to be a power user

[gentle slate]

It also doesnt work

[hidden geyser]

ITC, a child who understand almost nothing about actual computing goes off to brag about linear trig (Linux)

[steep girder]

Btw at that setup, it's like ctrl+f8 or some sht for command prompt. Then there's a command already in path called skipoobesetup. Something along those lines. But honestly, the real way is to not be connected to internet. Then tell it yes you're sure. I'll live without those helpful features lmfao

[full fossil]

yes i am aware but i don't have time to learn linux, i have used some form of linux over the years but not as a daily driver

[rough socket]

This is so dumb, this is the single greatest feature of Linux lmao
It has EVERY IMAGINABLE ui in the world and beyond, as long as you can think of an ui then you can have it

[full fossil]

senko themed UI?

[steep girder]

Still though yeah I used to bypass pin or something once. Also it now makes you create 3 security questions even for local account. Can't get around that maybe.

[hidden geyser]

This is about computers, not phones. Stay on topic.

[full fossil]

i mean isn't android some form of linux

[gentle slate]

Ngl I wonder what people do on windows. I've never had any notable horrors

[hidden geyser]

Cool, nobody actually cares.

[rough socket]

I got botted because I talked about r/unixp**

[hidden geyser]

Tell me something:
What are the OSI levels?

[gentle slate]

Aright I'mma install arch on my laptop. 6th time is the charm

[rough socket]

Oh you don't know how much I preferred windows phone over android and iOS combined lmao

But I still am waiting for an usable Linux phone though

[hidden geyser]

What are each of the levels?

[steep girder]

This is true for Android. The whole idea is you shouldn't be using the Linux. Only the Android platform crap running atop of it.

[rough socket]

I can help if you want 🙂

[gentle slate]

No need. I've had quite functional installs before. Problems always arised with how clunky game compatibility is.

[rough socket]

Who cares about those networking things
We are talking about Linux for desktop use and how windows could be "real crap"

[steep girder]

For instance, if there are ever users or profiles, Android would more properly implement them separately from linux users. Linux should only be used as backend. But idk if you look at permissions on android atm, it seems like users are irrelevant. The most important thing is apps containerized from each other. And their data as well.

[hidden geyser]

Okay, so you aren't a blithering moron
That improves things… a tiny bit

[full fossil]

linux is the guy she tells you not to worry about

[rough socket]

A kernel that is the interface between us and the hardware to put it simply

[full fossil]

i like my example better

[gentle slate]

Using arch has unironically proved more beneficial on my Linux journey than any other

[rough socket]

Send the copy pasta

[steep girder]

The only place where user and perms kind of come into play is root access and how you're never supposed to have it. Only official oem stuff installed into system and runs as root.

[rough socket]

Oh same
I wouldn't use Linux without arch
Or without something close to it like void Linux or smth

[full fossil]

that reminds me my local mc ds was closed for like 6 hours because all the systems were down due to a windows update XD

[steep girder]

That's actually what starting with Win 8 microsoft tried to do only the result was a half-assed version of what Android does (and a mill problems)

[hidden geyser]

I hop between distro depending on what exactly I am doing

[gentle slate]

Bloat isn't rly relevant coz arch ain't really a slim distro, but at least I know every pkg has a purpose

[rough socket]

I have some ergonomics problems, genetical disease with bad joints blablabla

With Linux I can have a customised UI with tiling windows manager and heavy terminal usage that allows me to never leave my keyboard and never use my mouse
My keyboard being somewhat ergo btw

This helps so much and I can't have that on windows

[steep girder]

Does arch even come with a packager systemd?

[gentle slate]

That yeah, but after you install done stuff

[gentle slate]

Pacman

[hidden geyser]

Debian, OpenSuse, Arch, Puppy

[gentle slate]

Oh. No you install systemd separately

[hidden geyser]

I don't bother with RedHat for several reasons

[rough socket]

Yes with systemd
But there are distro close to arch that doesn't use systemd like void Linux

[gentle slate]

Wait I might be high

[rough socket]

And you don't install systemd separately with arch no

[gentle slate]

Nono I was thinking of systemd boot. Arch is part of the systemd monolith.

[rough socket]

Oh yeah, systemd boot is also there by default

That's what I use btw
I like it a lot

[steep girder]

Really? You don't get a choice?

[rough socket]

Of couse you get the choice
But since systemd is installed so is systemd boot

[wispy marsh]

Do other dists not use systemd?

[hidden geyser]

One thing I will never understand is the fight and bickering over packet managers

[rough socket]

Most do, there are some that doesn't

[wispy marsh]

It feels weird. I've never seen a dist that doesn't use it. Then again, I haven't touched a fair bit of the flavors

My work usually consists of rhel, centos and ubuntu

[rough socket]

The ones that doesn't are often fairly advanced because it's always a conscious choice and one of the big point of said distro

And people shitting on systemd are often advanced users Soo... It's a niche

[hidden geyser]

You love the distro, but despise the manager… fair enough with your feelings, but do you understand what awkward position you are it?

[rough socket]

I mean you don't spend all day installing and updating things so that's not so much of a problem, a distro isn't just a package manager

[hidden geyser]

It is a mess with the communities

Which is a small part of why I actively avoid linux in desktop use

[rough socket]

Why

[hidden geyser]

So much bickering and social strongarming about what to use and what to do

[steep viper]

i will say this. systemdboot is fast

[rough socket]

Oh yeah I love it
So easy to use too, and doesn't break like grub

[hidden geyser]

Linux is awesome in servers SO LONG AS you know what you actually need

[steep girder]

Honestly nixes can be strange to the point where even I don't know exactly what I want lol. Like on ubuntu desktops:

• Comes with service enabled that automounts all volumes incl ntfs into /media/user/
• I disable it because I pretty much never want all volumes from second (Windows NT) OS mounted ever. Least of all the system partition
• At times, I want my NTFS access to like media volume to be RO. If I can live without writing to it from Linux dual boot, I consider it. Something about the idea of two OSes writing into NTFS partition. Meh

[rough socket]

If you use arch you don't have things pre-set up like that

[hidden geyser]

Hot take: linux usage scale gets exaggerated Java-style

[steep girder]

But then after disabling it, I miss how the usb drives or anything else I'd want automounted doesn't work either now lol. So I end up using my USBs as usual: open up xterm, su, make a folder or use one already created earlier (inside /mnt/!!!). Then mount /dev/blah to it

[steep viper]

sips from his EndeavourOS desktop.

[rough socket]

But then you can make it so it doesn't automount the NTFS partition but does so for your USB sticks

[steep girder]

Well what I do is then add fstab entry for whatever I want like that media shared ntfs volume. There I specify read only

[full fossil]

just realised the cpu of this laptop i use is very similar to my pentium in my first system 8 years ago

[hidden geyser]

People gloat about linux "being used everywhere" while conveniently omitting the factor of specifity where what qualifies as Linux gets quite iffy

[full fossil]

you guys still talking bout linux, damn i was gone for 13 mins

[steep viper]

I typically put Linux on my older machines to inject new life into them. It's funny seeing the difference between Windows 7 and EndeavourOS shutting down. Windows had to tuck all the processes into bed.

[steep girder]

Honestly I think it's also possible to edit some config in that Ubuntu service for usbs only, etc etc. Read only idk how that would work short of specifying exact volume. At that point, it's the same thing as fstab. If I want usb automount w that service, I'd have to exclude it or internal drives I think was possible. Too lazy to find out and learn how to use that config lmfao

I think the real root of the problem might be that I'm scared to write to my NTFS volume with media archived from Linux

[hidden geyser]

No shit sherlock

[steep girder]

Especially the newer the Windows 10, 11, 69 that formatted. Honestly I have no clue about anything to do with compatibility and new versions of NTFS. Alls I know is Linux driver is unofficial and likely behind as always. Arch idk but it's even worse because they just wrote it lol

[steep viper]

I'd argue it could be. Until you need specialist software/drivers.

[steep girder]

I know hard link dir junctions on ntfs at least MC treated as files from Linux when I read and copied

[rough socket]

Y

[spare lintel]

but sure you can find specialist on auction. dont you?😏

[steep girder]

I copied directly to another ntfs volume too. Luckily, that's just what I wanted though. Whole reason copying entire system drive sucks on windows is god forbid you use explorer. It could literally never finish copying last I checked :>

[steep viper]

Linux is making progress in that department, since not every distro is an enthusiast "make your own distro", but yeah there could be more progress.

[hidden geyser]

Things that I hate due to intense AF bickering:

• specifics about kernel design
• VPN core package
• display/audio server stacks
• lack of a sufficiently KISS image editor
• the continued boomer insistence on using the terminal

[steep girder]

There are even default places I remember in 1909 win10 I had that were infinite inception of dir junctions lmao. There are a bunch. Explorer just kept recursing endlessly somehow

[steep viper]

Keep in mind I'm going by "average user" being people like my parents, not us LTT chatter tech nerds.

[rough socket]

Using the terminal isn't a boomer insistence

[granite tinsel]

macOS

[gusty dawn]

Wayland and Pipewire are going a long way to making desktop Linux actually viable

[full fossil]

My display port cable has a little tiny scratch on the metal part

[hidden geyser]

Excessively, it is

[full fossil]

Should I be concerned or is it gonna be fine

when ever i use macOS i feel like im using alien software

[granite tinsel]

it is the only major computer line to not have at least some basis in the IBM-PC so that's probably why

[steep girder]

But a lot of them are default permissions you can't even read. So gotta hover over entire thing to press skip. Honestly a lot of regular files on system partition you can't read easily and copy w explorer for backup. Either way, you'd be best off using a different boot other than the one whose system drive you're backing up heh

[hidden geyser]

People want to use computers without having to type shit that they have likely already forgotten

[rough socket]

Why so
It's faster, when you use multiple apps and they are all in the terminal everything feels tightly integrated, and it's more ergo cuz you don't spend all day switching between mouse and keyboard

[steep girder]

Pretty soon people will forget to read and write type altogether lol

Edit:

Actually maybe soon computers will use you

[full fossil]

i had to use a macbook in school it was a old old macbook we were never that fancy and my god i almost threw it out the window

[hidden geyser]

It is "faster" in specific circumstances, but very tiring and annoying, especially in the perspective of the general user

[granite tinsel]

at the end of the day i just don't wanna have to memorize a bunch of commands

i can; i've done it before, but it makes things a massive pain in the ass if i step away from it for a while and i haven't been in practice

[rough socket]

It's almost always faster to do things there than in a gui
And it's not because people can't remember shit and don't wanna take the time to use things that it means what I'm saying is false
Sure normies can continue using gui things, but I'll keep using the terminal to be as fast as lightning, and I don't think it's a boomer insistence thing
An advanced way to use a pc that's not made for everyone cuz everyone is lazy sure

[graceful burrow]

Boomer

1v1 me quake 1

[hidden geyser]

I used to despise the Mac, because of PC and Linux mob mindset at the time

I have come to appreciate its simplicity and focus on actual aesthetic design

[full fossil]

Hello, I have a question about the bottleneck on the PC. So will I get bottleneck with Core i5 10th with Rtx 2060 super?

[steep viper]

I like the Mac, but utterly undyingly despise Apple as a company

[hidden geyser]

That is fair

[rough socket]

I have this exactly on one of my PC, in 1440p
Usually you won't, but in some super specific games you will be, like dcs, satisfactory etc ...

[granite tinsel]

macOS can be rather arcane especially if you aren't used to it--i remember during my windows phase trying to use my mom's macbook pro for school in 2014, and being so confused that i ended up just bootcamping into windows for all my work

[full fossil]

i mean i do like it's simplicty but im the type of guy to fill his taskbar with apps

[granite tinsel]

but when i actually switched this january to a 14" MBP, it actually only took me about a week to get back up to speed

[steep viper]

most of my gripes come from the mobile space and Apple's business practices in that space.

[granite tinsel]

macOS is kinda designed for you to fill the dock with apps LOL

i'm usually hyperminimalist with taskbars; my windows taskbar has only 4 apps, but my dock has 11

[full fossil]

Alright Thy for letting me know that won't but in some games it Most be some

[hidden geyser]

I did not have this experience at a revisit. I was enamoured by the fact that the things I want done could be accomplished very quickly and swiftly

[granite tinsel]

until the existence of the launchpad in fact basically every app you used had to reside on your dock unless you wanted to play go fish in the applications folder

[rough socket]

What did you say

[hollow scroll]

A 2011 imac will perform better in the modern world then a 2011 windows pc would though

[full fossil]

what bothers me in mac is the minimize window key and x key is in the top left

[granite tinsel]

agreed; my family has a late 2014 imac that's still getting security updates and still running OK

[full fossil]

I mean thy and you mean that in some Games I will get some bottleneck?

[granite tinsel]

i mean the oldest versions of windows had the X button in the top left too

[rough socket]

In some specific games yes but it's rare
It's a good combo imo

[full fossil]

i've been using windows since XP

Im not that old

[rough socket]

I mean the x button is useless when you can use a shortcut to close an app

[stuck stratus]

⌘+W is your friend in that regard

[full fossil]

Aha alright. Yeah it's good. And Thy : )

[granite tinsel]

or ⌘+Q

[gentle slate]

ok Matrix feels clunky. Element doesn't feel feature complete.

[full fossil]

i forget shortcuts very easily

[rough socket]

Because you don't use them

[full fossil]

i do use some

[granite tinsel]

mac OS was actually the first OS to have a set of universal shortcuts that would be the same no matter what app you were in--many of which were then adopted by OS's like windows

[full fossil]

just not all, if anything i rarely close apps

[stuck stratus]

macOS also solves that with the searchable global menu

[rough socket]

I hate macos exactly because of its shortcuts sooo lol

[granite tinsel]

The original Macintosh User Interface Guidelines defined a set of keyboard shortcuts that would remain consistent across application programs. This provides a better user experience than the then-prevalent situation of applications using the same keys for different functions. This could result in user errors if one program used ⌘+D to mean Delete while another used it to Duplicate an item.

[full fossil]

might just map a shortcut to one of my mouse macros

[granite tinsel]

i actually like using ⌘ more than ctrl; i find it more ergonomic to use my thumb for a lot of these shortcuts

[steep viper]

Where in my life would I be without ctrl+w.

[gentle slate]

at the x button

[granite tinsel]

ctrl+w was inherited from the macintosh sacred keybindings

[steep girder]

I wouldnt hate mac key if it wasn't switched with ctrl on normal keyboards lol

[hidden geyser]

Mac gaming will not happen

• game devs and especially publishers are hopelessly stubborn
• unlike Windows, there is zero support for 32-bit
• Apple's decision to go hard on Metal. While an awesome idea in theory, this leaves a steep learning curve for anyone at all who wants to bother with OSX gaming

[granite tinsel]

it was originally ⌘+W

[steep viper]

too much work. I'd be at 871 tabs, that's where I'd be.

[steep girder]

Or alt. Something is wrong. I never press the right key when I try to do ctrl+c, ctrl+x, ctrl+left arrow, etc

[rough socket]

My keyboard doesn't abide to those rules so yeah

[full fossil]

also it's harder to even do shortcuts now i have a 60% keyboard

[granite tinsel]

while we're at it, the mac sacred keybinds also created...

Ctrl+B for bolding, Ctrl+I for italicizing, Ctrl+U for underlining, Ctrl+O for opening, Ctrl+P for printing, Ctrl+A for selecting all, Ctrl+S for saving, Ctrl+F for finding, Ctrl+Z for undoing, Ctrl+X for cutting, Ctrl+C for copying, Ctrl+V for pasting, and Ctrl+N for making a new document

[rough socket]

Look at my keeb in #peripherals
I love shortcuts

[granite tinsel]

it's actually windows on a windows keyboard by default; apple's logic is that the cmd key is equivalent to the GUI key, while ctrl is ctrl and alt/option is alt

you have the ability to change what the function keys do in macOS system settings tho, per keyboard, without actually rebinding the keys themselves

[rough socket]

In Linux you have the ability to do absolutely whatever you think of so yeah

[steep girder]

Best is when home, end, pup and pdn are missing and you gotta do Fn+arrow keys. Literally cripples those keys. It's not standard enough to get used to (I actually gave that notebook back). It's legit faster for me to just ctrl + hold left for home or right for end.

[rough socket]

You can rebind everything, you can create custom shortcuts and behavior, you can even launch full scripts and actions with a keybind etc

[granite tinsel]

i hate how those shortcuts aren't the same on ipad

in general there is an alarming lack of consistency between the keyboard shortcuts on mac and ipad; i didn't expect that out of apple

[rough socket]

Just use vim for that

[gentle slate]

neovim****

reg vim is for heathens and masochists.

[steep girder]

Saddest part is that it's the exact same key just diff modifier lmfao. Only time I absolutely must use it is like when scrolling a large binary file in notepad for some reason. Or a minified js because it's all on one line now. In that case:

3 second lag from brain remembering fn+left
Fingers press the key combination

[granite tinsel]

all the common ones are there, but then you get weird shit like
Fn+Up in macOS: Page Up
Fn+Up in iPad: App Switcher (which is more analogous to mission control, so why isn't this bound to Ctrl+Up?)

[steep girder]

Wtf is Fn and mac key even lol. Same with win/meta. Used to be just empty space there on normal keyboard lmfao

[stuck stratus]

best part of macOS is ⌘+left arrow/right arrow

[rough socket]

What does it do

[stuck stratus]

moves the cursor to the start/end of a line, particularly useful in text editors when highlighting text

[rough socket]

Oh and don't you think you can move to start and end of lines as easily in something else than macos lmao

[stuck stratus]

you can't, which sucks

[steep girder]

Wait so if it's set to pressing mac+c and v for copy/paste, mac+left and right will behave as home and end?

[rough socket]

I just type I or A to move to start or end of line

[granite tinsel]

standard mac keyboards have a fourth key which is often just labelled with a 🌐 but is more often just called "function"; it is the equivalent of an Fn key in windows in that it can be used to switch between the function row shortcuts and the actual function keys, but it also does things like switch keyboard languages and is used in a few keyboard shortcuts, like Fn+Left is Home while Fn+Right is End

[stuck stratus]

that's not going to be supported in every part of the OS though

[steep girder]

Wait is that after esc if you were inserting character?

[granite tinsel]

yes... that does mean there are five modifier keys on a mac keyboard, once you count shift

[stuck stratus]

the option key is only sort of a modifier key though

[rough socket]

Normal mode
It puts you in insert mode at the start or end
You can use dollars or 0 to go to end of start of line without going insert mode

[granite tinsel]

option is used as a modifier more often than control is

[stuck stratus]

it's generally only used in conjunction with another modifier key

[steep girder]

@rough socket Right lol figured vi

[granite tinsel]

back in the days before the multitouch trackpad and the mighty mouse, you had to fucking ctrl+click to right click and that was your only option if you were using a stock apple mouse with no right click

that was its main purpose and now that it's been superseded by mice that can actually right click and the force touch trackpad, it's kind of a bit useless on mac

so far the only shortcut i've found that it honours is ctrl+tab to switch between browser tabs or discord servers

[stuck stratus]

I don't know why apple ever thought ctrl+click was better than the two-finger click on a touchpad

[granite tinsel]

since ⌘+tab is equivalent to alt+tab

[rough socket]

Hehe
You can do so much more
If there are some "blabla" in your line and you want to modify what's inside the quotes
You can just do ci" from anywhere on the line and it will remove what's in quotation and puts you in insert mode there

It's so powerful that it makes me chuckles to see people talking about there macos shortcut to go to start of line or whatever
Just use vim guys

[stuck stratus]

emacs moment

[steep girder]

Lol mouse is something else honestly. Even after rmb, you still had no wheel. Sometimes you had mouse3. Scroll wheel came after I think

[granite tinsel]

apple mice are

[steep girder]

Luckily they at least figured out that we can keep mmb if wheel presses pretty much immediately.

[vocal saddle]

Apple Displays are ✅

[granite tinsel]

studio display is weird tho

[stuck stratus]

even for non-apple mice, apple thinks it's ok for the mouse wheel to have acceleration

[vocal saddle]

I'm talking about the Liquid Retina XDR on the iPad Pro 12.9"

[granite tinsel]

actually it's pretty good, it feels like scrolling with a trackpad; problem is they don't let other mice have it

[steep girder]

Mmb idk wtf it was there sometimes but meh. If it toggled scrolling with mouse, that would mean wheel was already invented. Even moreso weird to have 3 button by then. Or just manufacture

[granite tinsel]

oooooh gotcha; i have both a 12.9" ipad pro and a macbook pro so i know whatcha mean LOL

[vocal saddle]

They are MiniLED screens with 2596 dimming zones atleast with the iPad the MacBooks have a little more

[granite tinsel]

ya and they look absolutely fantastic

[vocal saddle]

They look like OLED screens

[steep girder]

If you mean that apple mouse ball. Not sure but if it's analog then it doesn't really exist anywhere else possibly...

[granite tinsel]

i actually mean... the magic mouse

it has a touch-capacitive surface, so you can swipe on it to scroll like you would with a trackpad or touchscreen

it is, incredibly frustratingly, the best part of the magic mouse

[steep girder]

Mouse wheel is actually 'dwheel'. It's a digital thing. You can poll how many clicks it move up or down by since last time. But tbh it's really just a code everytime it 'clicks' up or down by one. Just like the mouse buttons

[granite tinsel]

incredibly frustratingly because the magic mouse has zero other redeeming qualities

[steep girder]

Hence smooth scrolling lol. It smooths out the mouse. Honestly not helpful and same exact result. You just wait for animation to end each time you scrolled by a single line :/

[granite tinsel]

ya...

[steep girder]

Truly, to this day I think we still have just the same two things usable as analog input common to pc: mouse x and y

Wheel kind of if you're on logitech gaming mouse maybe and you unlock it mechanically. If you spin it fast enough, maybe it will smooth out lmao. Still it's too small and clearly not intended for that

[tribal topaz]

btw is it the animation that make 120Hz feel smooth?

because i have used 120Hz on windows i never felt the smoothness of a android 120Hz display

[lament forge]

Oh yeah, ngl that one feature is really useful when you don’t have a trackpad, wish rest of the mouse was good

[radiant cedar]

Well, that may have just been windows being windows

Only windows 11 really smoothed up animations, but u can feel higher refresh rate even just moving the cursor

[tribal topaz]

is there option to check wther its on 60 or 120Hz

[radiant cedar]

Some monitors can tell you precisely. In windows you need to either use your GPUs software or check somewhere in advanced display settings

[rough socket]

I removed every single one of my os animations

Or more like I didn't add any

[rough socket]

Because on Android you scroll waaaaay more

[zinc brook]

woah

i can clearly see 120hz on my android and whys there 15 second slowmode

[graceful burrow]

Gn blasted ltt earlier today

[wispy marsh]

20 seconds.

[pulsar arch]

I've been noticing more and more videos having "corrections" in them and it's becoming an issue

[hollow scroll]

Guess

[night hornet]

Just finished the GN video. Brings to light alot of interesting things.

[rocky fox]

I feel like if LTT even scaled back by one less video, it could make accuracy a lot better.

[night hornet]

WAN show is going to be interesting thats for sure.

[abstract aurora]

Linus already said he's not doing a segment on it

[scarlet relic]

this recent thing reminds me of this old LTT video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4STGMUEBvR4

[dreamy rose]

i wouldnt care if my friday had no video.

[rocky fox]

IMO the Billet Labs situation is just unforgivable tho. How do you just auction off something that doesn't belong to you.

[scarlet relic]

🤷‍♂️

[abstract aurora]

Linus said it was a miscommunication and he's paying them back for it. Whether that is actually the case or not, I don't know, not being part of LMG

[dire steeple]

didnt know LMG had offically reacted to the video

[abstract aurora]

There's a forum post

[dire steeple]

oh okay ill read it

[abstract aurora]

I'm at work so can't look for it right now sorry

[sick coral]

RIP

[night hornet]

Just read the forum post.... its Well written and covers most things. But still has a "trust me bro" approach. I've followed linus since the kitchen set days and have always looked to ltt videos for guidance. But it's only guidance. Always do your own research and don't fall on 1 "reviewers" opinion to make a buying decision.

[flint crypt]

Wow
I see the topic has still remained very popular

[abstract aurora]

Drama is always popular until the next one comes along

[mortal kraken]

Ye I am over my broken sleep schedule and this hasn't died yet 🤣

[flint crypt]

Real

[flint crypt]

Dude that makes 2 of us

[full fossil]

1am. I need to sleep.

[devout grotto]

yo anyone from India that are studying in IIT Madras ? I need yo help, i'm from Malaysia and email them but no response till now ..

[dreamy rose]

There's no real way to "Defend" Linus without a hole. but that doesn't mean he isn't agreeable here at all.

[devout grotto]

( please ping me ) thank you

[misty plover]

A hole?

[misty plover]

What do you want a written contract that things will get better with a penalty?

Ofc its gonna have trust me bro all over it lmfao

[dreamy rose]

"i agree that it's not worth the time and money to retest the card considering their upload schedule"
"its their fault they are rushing their upload schedule"
see what i mean?

[humble sigil]

LTT always had an infotainment character. That is fine, but the minute you start a lab and tout you want to work to inform the consumers they have to and will be held to higher standards. Refering to the lab and then having obvious mistakes in the data just looks bad, then be unwilling to spend some time/money to fix them makes it even worse.

[native dew]

I like LTT a lot, I’ve tuned in to every video for a few years now and it’s just upsetting what’s come up. I don’t think it would cause me to stop watching because I don’t watch them for guidance on what to buy but rather just entertainment. I don’t have the kind of money to just buy stuff I see in videos in the first place. I just wish Linus would’ve actually handled this better. Out of so many things that could be addressed, it felt like they focused on one issue (while not really helping said issue at all) and lightly touched on all the other stuff. It sucks to see.

[humble sigil]

And from my feeling the number of mistakes started to increase over the past couple of years.

[dreamy rose]

they are getting into it i expect hiccups. but i have no idea where "Miscommunication" ties into auctioning off the fucking waterblock.

[humble sigil]

In a company of 100+ people stupid things like that can happen, especially if the CEO is busy doing everything else than leading the company

I found the video much worse than the fact they auctioned it off by mistake tbh

I saw it when it came out and it left a bad impression then

[misty plover]

The whole auction thing is awfull but tbh

Its the least concerning part of the video

[dreamy rose]

they added a new Labs Division, appointed a new CEO, reached over 100 employees, they are gonna fuck up somewhere its inevitable.

[humble sigil]

If Terrance has integrity, he will have to fight Linus (as the owner) on making changes like giving people more time to do reviews and processes to improve

[misty plover]

Tho he has to justify his pay check and cutting back = less monis
No?

[dreamy rose]

they have to scrap one video in the schedule at least. the videos of least value i see is a Techquickie or Mac Address honestly.

[misty plover]

He didnt even make a video yet introducing himself to the fans
Which i recall linus said he would on wan show

[native dew]

Inevitability? Sure. When it becomes consistent, that’s an issue.

[dire steeple]

I think people are being very harsh, i actually think steve at GN was very unfair, they saw an opportunity to publicly make LMG look bad, when he could of contacted LMG directly if they had issues. LTT has put out great content over the last 10 years and this wont affect me watching their content, as i watch for the overall impression and fun element of the content. GN do raise some points, but Linus has acknowledged this in the forum post, Labs is young and will learn by its mistakes and grow. i just don't think all this drama and shit posting is helping the situation, underneath the videos and the company are humans that are probably feeling very shit right now.

[misty plover]

He just seems like a business man doin business for now, no?

[humble sigil]

I hope Terrance won’t be much visible in Videos, he should take care of fixing the issues Linus left first and foremost

[dreamy rose]

thats true linus did point out that not getting his side was a dick move.

[misty plover]

Steve did the video mostly out of spite

If he had real concerns he wouldnt need an engineer name dropping him to become the glorious saviour of tech tubers

It raises good points yes
But is mostly out of spite

[native dew]

While I kinda see your point, when people are being mislead with misinformation, you should tell those people.

[humble sigil]

the clips showed his side pretty much: “Should I spend $100 $200 $500 to redo the tests and get the correct data?”

he rather saves $100 than representing a product the proper way

[vague shard]

avg ltt fanboy

[dire steeple]

it just proved to me that steve isnt as professional as he makes out, as he can puclicy shame another brand online. this is more spite and upset because LTT is juming into their space.

[misty plover]

But theres more to that no?
He said the product isnt worth either way

[ashen zodiac]

i slept for 10 hours and people are still going on about this?

[zinc crown]

Eh people make mistakes its not like LTT left that stuff in they did update with the correction even if its text. Plus I think no publication should be a one stop shop. If you are actually in the market for the products reviewed you should really be looking at multiple sources for information

[humble sigil]

That’s a cheap excuse

[median idol]

Pretty much

[ashen zodiac]

i mean the billit labs situation can be summed up very easily like this:

[chilly fiber]

Especially when GN says they want to be held to high journalistic expectations. If you accuse someone of something, then you need to let them tell their story.

However that doesn't mean that they should wait multiple weeks on the reaction

[humble sigil]

Do a review properly, or don’t do it at all

[zinc crown]

Thats not an excuse to not fix stuff but I wouldn’t take out the pitch forks just yet since they are in their teething stages with the new initiatives

[misty plover]

If anything is cheap here its steves 44min video because engineer make him sad oh noes

[glacial ibex]

please tell the satellite controllers to stop burning my family

[misty plover]

Also this GN fanboy thinks reacting thumbsdown is cool

Must be hard to have a brain and think for yourself

[dire steeple]

Just ignore him

[misty plover]

Need steve to tell you what to think

[dreamy rose]

they arent funny or amusing.

[grim ether]

so yikes hey

[misty plover]

Not fully il be honest

[grim ether]

wtf linus doing lol
also i see slowmode extra long today lol

[median idol]

I swear this chat is basically like monkeys throwing shit at each other or clowns squirting their water from the flowers to one another

[grim ether]

you are definitely not wrong

[native dew]

“You’re a fanboy for taking ‘X’ side. Why no I did not fully watch the video to form my opinion.”

[low rain]

Tbh a lot of today I was js looking at this server n watching people argue and stuff, it’s funny.

[zinc crown]

He does say GN only took this year’s video in question. From what I remember I don’t see that many errors in older videos. This is just going from memory but I would give LTT benefit of the doubt and wait for shit to get settled in

[humble sigil]

I get where LTT fans are coming from. Linus was the small guy in a garage, but this is no longer the case. They are a company valued $100 millions, they are no longer the “Trust me Bro” size

[dreamy rose]

while GN did raise many valid points it did feel a little harsh. i'm not wishing beef.

[grim ether]

handled the transition from homies to business very poorly

[peak hemlock]

Im discussing this in the LTT TV live chat

[gentle slate]

ok at this point my interest has been piqued. Time to research this LTT GN drama.

[ashen zodiac]

[humble sigil]

If you’re 5 people and can check what everyone is doing, TMB is valid. But does Linus review every warranty claim from the warehouse?

[grim ether]

honestly nothing they talk about is really defensible from linus

[gentle slate]

Where do I start? Which video caused the meltdown?

[native dew]

Like I have literally never heard of Gamers Nexus before today, that being said when good points are made I shouldn’t just blindly defend the thing I like because it’s something I like.

[ashen zodiac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGW3TPytTjc

[dire steeple]

GN saw an opening after the HardwareUnboxed drama, so decided to build on it. it was totally uncalled for. it should of been addressed privately if there were concerns

[gentle slate]

Oh shit that's a SPICY title.

[balmy lotus]

im unsubbing to ltt until they end the constant livestream

[humble sigil]

It’s not uncalled, it is pretty valid

Building the lab is hard, but the CEO should have been on it instead of making videos about his house.

[gentle slate]

I thought Linus and GN (Steve?) are industrial buddies

[ashen zodiac]

lotta valid points were raised. i'd highly recommend watching it all thr way through. if 40 mins is too long just use double speed

[zinc crown]

Thats valuation doesn’t mean they have 100mil in the bank they might have their capital invested in other places (labs) so I see why they can’t actually justify spending more time on projects. I would like if they did the jank does gets too cringe at some points but I get it

[grim ether]

lol why didnt linus address their concerns privately before absolutely destroying the image of those small startups

[humble sigil]

We’re new is a pretty lame excuse for a company on that size

[gentle slate]

Nah it aint a lot. Got 5 more hours of work to kill.

[dreamy rose]

weeks to react isnt very nice i agree. but thats not the case. linus has responded. just not on youtube

[ashen zodiac]

[grim ether]

yea no homie fr puts the L in Linus

[gentle slate]

Actually this is perfect. I can kill time and participate in drama. Ideal scenario.

[rough socket]

Nothing to do with labs
Not checking basic benchmarks or removing stickers from mouse before saying it's thrash as nothing to do with labs

[humble sigil]

I’m aware, but it gives you rough idea about the size of their operation, the influence they have on the community

[grim ether]

not to mention auctioning off a startups best prototype...

[zinc crown]

Nah I think the video was fine stuff like this should be put into light and I liked the video I am just looking at the situation from both perspectives

[humble sigil]

That too, but they always did that in some way. But if you put the lab sticker on it it’s even worse

[gentle slate]

tbh I dont even watch Linus anymore. I watched him when I was a broke nerd. I now got a nice phone, a nice laptop and a PC that i'll be upgrading soon. Eyeing a 7800x3d and a 7900xt.

[native dew]

People keep saying “address privately”. You’re missing the point! People are being mislead about products and brand reputations are being hurt by oversights. You don’t only go to the source and say stop. You inform the people who have been mislead of what has been happening.

[gentle slate]

One could say I became the Linus

[rough socket]

After sending the company to the ground in their video because they used the wrong gpu to test the prototype

[grim ether]

Honestly Linus's ego has massively outweighed his skills from all his content ive seen
this just kind of proves it

[low rain]

Tbh I have no clue what’s happening 😭😭😭

[woven jungle]

do u also drop very expensive stuff?

[gentle slate]

My S9+ survived 4 weeks before it turned into dust

[dreamy rose]

i'm not a buyer. i'm a viewer. same as you would be.

[humble sigil]

We saw that pretty much every time they had a server issue…

[oak kindle]

why not a 13600k + 7900xtx

[woven jungle]

very impressive

[gentle slate]

I dont like intel.

[fading rune]

old pic of the subreddit, relevant again

[rough socket]

Check gamers Nexus last video

[oak kindle]

but youd get a massively better gpu

[ashen zodiac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGW3TPytTjc&t=1s

[grim ether]

lol could you imagine installing a 3090 block on a 4090, acknowledging that its wrong, not reading the instructions and installing it incorrectly, and then still have the nerve to shit on the startup

[gentle slate]

I could also get the 7800x3d and the 7900xtx

[dreamy rose]

intel is bloody boring as hell.

[woven jungle]

or a mac

[oak kindle]

you genuinely would consider this anywhere near the level of keemstar?

[gentle slate]

Throw money at it and the problem is fixed.

[zinc crown]

And LTT knows its flaws and are working on it. I just feel its unfair to go all aggressive after someone points something out. You gotta give others a chance to make things right especially when LTT themselves before the vid came out have regular stated that stuff is changing for better and better practices will be put into place

[chilly fiber]

I didn't meant that. I only want to point out that if you want to follow high journalistic rules, you need to let the other party react on your story before publishing.

However if the other side goes for the delay tactic, then you can publish the story without their reaction.

Just trying to cover all bases

[dreamy rose]

nobody with a brain is buying a mac bro.

[grim ether]

i wouldnt
im on 7900xtx and its really not worth MSRP
if you get it make sure its on sale

[oak kindle]

waste money*

[humble sigil]

It has gotten worse over the last few years, saw little improvement

[gentle slate]

@oak kindle I live and breathe my computer.

[woven jungle]

lmao jk ppl with tech superiority complexes don’t use mac’s

[humble sigil]

Didn’t see any improvements over the last few years

[grim ether]

nah not really tho

[zinc crown]

The billet lab’s prototype thing was unfortunate but other than that I don’t think anyone can say they got screwed by LTT

[dreamy rose]

its a better price than a 1600 dollar 4090 thats for sure

[dire steeple]

i just think they used this as an oppotunity to raise there ratings and subs, nothing else. its pretty shady, and i don't care what the trolls think either

[ashen zodiac]

they may be boring but they make good products... my 4670K is almost a decade old and still overclocks well

[oak kindle]

so why do you hate intel

[humble sigil]

They are too busy expanding their business and keeping schedules

[gentle slate]

Coz intel stinky

[grim ether]

okay, how about skewed and biased content along with next to every single video having 1 or more butchered tests

[oak kindle]

my 2700x is a couple years old and does not lololol

[gentle slate]

im a lover of taem red. One day AMD will acknowledge me as their #1 fan

[ashen zodiac]

a lot of people are still salty about the skylake++++++ days

[humble sigil]

I hope the new CEO will fix things, depending he has integrity and can stand up to Linus

[oak kindle]

indeed

[rough socket]

Saying a mouse is thrash because the guy didn't remove the sticker
Doing benchmarks of gpu and having numbers wrong by literally hundred of percents because they didn't use the same settings at all

[zinc crown]

Yeah but they started their labs initiative this year how do you expect to see improvements in the past

[grim ether]

theyre just incompetent, its nothing new and we have no reason to believe its going to change any time soon

[gentle slate]

ok no more pinging! I go watch GN

[ashen zodiac]

lmfao. the 4670K is running 4.3ghz at 1.2v fully stable, stock is 3.8. so 500mhz OC all core

[dreamy rose]

Terran Knows linus well. thats why he put Terran as CEO.

[humble sigil]

It has gotten worse with the lab

[rough socket]

You don't need a 15M$ labs to not have numbers off by 200%

[gentle slate]

For a second I thought Andrew Tate is on LTT. It's not him

[oak kindle]

my 2700x couldnt oc for shit from the factory, i ran 4.3 for a while, now iirc it tops out at 4.1 or so without running insane voltages

[grim ether]

literally anyone who owns a thermometer, and enough brain cells to mount a cooler, could have more accurate test results

[zinc crown]

Again I am going from memory but I don’t remember such errors in the past this seems to be a recent problem and I trust LTT enough to say it would get fixed given some more time

[ashen zodiac]

what's stock? i'm not familiar with AMD lineup other than 5000 cuz i had to recommend some stuff to friends

[gentle slate]

my non k i5 cannot OC at all and it makes me angry

[humble sigil]

If he can’t properly manage the lab, or put someone in place who can, then they shouldn’t let them do content unchecked

[oak kindle]

the shit that happened with billet isnt something that just "should be improved on", it was unacceptable

[ashen zodiac]

skill issue for buying a non-K tbh

[dreamy rose]

silicon lottery mate, sounds like you kinda lost there

[shut lichen]

600

[rough socket]

Not really for thermal, it's not that easy
And being wrong is okay
But being wrong by 200% on the 4090 review where they compared 4090 rt off vs 3090 rt on or smth like that ?

[grim ether]

its not a new problem, watch the GN video, its a longstanding problem that has just gotten worse
my problem with Linus isnt that he isnt an expert, its that he claims to be one while still butchering literally everything on the channel

[oak kindle]

3.7 base clock

[ashen zodiac]

oh my god thats awful, RIP

[fair sage]

that is not even silicon lottery. 2700X is a 4.1-4.2GHz CPU out of the box, and Zen/Zen+ barely overclocks

[oak kindle]

degredation

[dreamy rose]

intel locking their chips while AMD lets you do whatever the fuck you want with it:

[zinc crown]

That was not a common thing in the past (going from memory here) its a new thing with all the major changes I would wait for the dust to settle and let the issues in mark bench and other testing automation work itself out

[grim ether]

TLDR being a incompetent in something is okay, unless you think you're the expert

[median idol]

Intel vs AMD turf war

[oak kindle]

amd lets you do whatever you want with it despite having silicon far more volatile and less forgiving

[humble sigil]

The more successful LMG got, the bigger his ego but not his skills. The should take a step back and reflect on it instead of going and make T-Shirts to screw a few additional bucks

[ashen zodiac]

@oak kindle wanna be even more sad? i had my 4670K stable at 4.5ghz 1.4v, but it hit 80c so i turned it down. now never goes above 70c even in summer (i have AC but it's really old, 30c outside means 26c in my appartment)

[cyan vapor]

The glaring errors in the graphs just means that nobody with enough time or competence ever looked at them twice.. and yeah, that's because of the rushed schedule.

[grim ether]

he barely even had skills in the first place lol

[rough socket]

It has been the case for some years now
They are rushing too much, that's it
25 videos per week man

Linus said it himself for some things "correcting this error would have cost 500$ so we just went with it"
Look at the gn video you'll see

[dreamy rose]

as long as you get to do whatever you want with it i'm happy.

[oak kindle]

whats it at now?

[median idol]

#BringBackCyrix

[grim ether]

yet in his recent video we see him backing himself up with his "experience"

[ashen zodiac]

4.3ghz 1.2v

[gentle slate]

is GNs Discord public?

[oak kindle]

-0.2mv for -200mhz is super worth though LOL

[humble sigil]

If his journalistic integrity isn’t worth $500, he can’t complain about the community being upset

[dreamy rose]

are we calling into question his ability as a tech guy?

[rocky fox]

LTT should also stop making new channels.

Honestly, I don't see the point of Gamelinked. Like, Techlinked was already covering gaming news as well.

[gentle slate]

💀 patreoned

[rough socket]

This is not untrue, but then again with 120 people and a multimillion dollar labs you can have experts
Also, you don't need to be an expert to see that 200% diff is a lot, or that you forgot to remove the stickers from the mouse
Not being an expert is okay, doing what they do isn't

[misty plover]

Steve keeps saying
"Arbitrary self imposed deadlines"

Yea its called paying 100+ employees

[grim ether]

No, theres no need to question that as he tends to showcase end user abilities and nothing better lol

[median idol]

I wonder if anyone here presently is old enough to remember Cyrix

[ashen zodiac]

yea this chip is very clear about it's limits. it doesn't like any faster than 4.6 at any voltage and it hits the wall after 4.3

not bad for a 10 year old chip though

[grim ether]

the problem I have though is he claims to be the expert
and yes I agree regardless, this stuff shouldnt have happened

[zinc crown]

Correcting the video or retesting a product they didn’t believe in in the first place (See Linus’ forum response). But they do go and retest all their gpus cpus etc if there is a problem. I remember this from multiple instances where they have retested shit even if it took multiple days.

[stray apex]

shush
steve managing a small business of under a dozen employees is definitely the same thing as a larger organization, and it's definitely not weird that GN treats LTT differently than other companies

[dreamy rose]

would the average consumer have about. 20+ years of custom PC builds under their belt?

[cyan vapor]

Not his knowledge, more like his professional ability, it kinda ebbs and flows since he's been so overworked. Don't feel like filming another take because you screwed up the first one? Just call the product crap and move on to next vid.

[grim ether]

except they cant catch a 10C delta on a cooler that lost in every other test on every other cpu

[fair sage]

in my opinion the real issue is his argument about it not being worth. That would rule out huge chunk of parts/videos he makes. Like i hope he will not use one of those $800-$1.8k ROG boards instead of a $200-$350 common motherboard; Or that he will start using the base 4090's which sell for 1720 euros instead of let's say the ROG model which is 2120 euros even now. It is similar logic to his "an 800 euro GPU block is not worth it" - maybe to him not, but a niche product has it's niche customer base. Just look at all the $300+ ITX cases

[grim ether]

you can do something for a long time while still being shit at what you do

[rough socket]

Or can't catch a 300% difference when in all other gpu benchmark there is just 60%

[grim ether]

yea its just incompetence

[cyan vapor]

That one was hilarious yep.

[stray apex]

linus doesn't even use a 4090 personally, though

[oak kindle]

yeah and youve been running an oc for its lifetime mostly?

[gentle slate]

im a 47 year old man

[dreamy rose]

hes running a 7900XTX but ok

[gentle slate]

hmm. 2$ to join GN's Discord. Solid deal. he seems like a cool guy

[grim ether]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykLDTsfnE5A

[ashen zodiac]

i bought it off a friend a few years ago. i've been running it like this for at least 2 years though

[zinc crown]

You know I am just going to stop defending you have your mind made up who am I trying to convince. I am a believer I trust in the “Trust me bro” hope there was less jank in some vids but hey I don’t need to like all vids

[gentle slate]

[oak kindle]

extremely cozy, is it your daily?

[gentle slate]

shit i forgot about twomad. I love that dude.

[fair sage]

that was just an example. What i pointed out that there are 20-30% price differences in "same product" in GPU market, there are 5x or more price differences in motherboard market - his reasoning for why he didn't retest the copper block would rule out pretty much any big brand model from his tests/reviews

[grim ether]

may have to cop

[viral solstice]

gn man ill see u in bed

[ashen zodiac]

it's my main pc. i also have a macbook pro and Steam Deck so i just use what's best for whatever i'm doing. it sees at least a few hours of use a day though

[oak kindle]

hmm interesting choices

[grim ether]

Steam Deck is cool, have you done anything custom on it

[ashen zodiac]

nah, i've only had it for a week. bought it from a friend who got an Ally so he didn't need it anymore. still figuring some stuff out about it. what i can run on SteamOS etc

[polar fern]

GN charging money for discord? Yikes.

[misty plover]

Steve saying this is not drama
But a conversation that was desperately needed

Yea okay pal

Thats why you posted the 44min video a week after getting called out 💀💀

Cause youre lookin out for the tech community fo sho

Nothin to do with your spiteful ass

Video raises numerous good points
And LTT should always be held accountable

And i believe they get the most flack out of any techtubers on a regular basis

But lets not pretend this video wasnt made with malice behind it

[ashen zodiac]

it means shitposters like you won't be there so i'm all for it

[stray apex]

the point of the LTT video on the billet cooler was that it's a pain in the ass to work with and it costs too much, so they don't think you should buy it
like, their build experience included machining down part of the motherboard because there were clearance issues

[tardy walrus]

wait

[gentle slate]

It's a patreon perk. always has been afaik

[tranquil sleet]

How much?

[median idol]

Buildzoid also does this so not too out of the ordinary

[tardy walrus]

i want a steam deck so dang bad man

[gentle slate]

2$ on patreon.

[polar fern]

Dunno but that’s super cringe

[shut lichen]

providing a discord for patreon supporters is not charging money for discord lol
much easier to moderate a discord of supporters than a free for all hellscape like the public channels here tend to be sometimes

[tardy walrus]

also what did gn get called out for?

[polar fern]

It’s fucked

[tranquil sleet]

Monthly or just once to have permanent access

[gentle slate]

idk. Patreon itself is monthly. idk if u get kicked

[polar fern]

Imaging charging for a free service

[misty plover]

Im not defending LMG but i lost alot of respect for tech jesus

[full fossil]

$310 refurb on gamestop. it's worth it

[fair sage]

by that logic Scythe Fuma 2 is a piece of crap, cause the heatpipes on it collide with two separate ITX motherboards i tried to use on both VRM side and RAM side

[full fossil]

$610 open box ROG Ally is not a bad deal too. expect the sd card reader to be borked though

[ashen zodiac]

i got lucky a buddy was wanting to sell his

[polar fern]

Brokrn card slot sounds sketch

[full fossil]

mine is dead I didnt even use it

it's a hardware defect/design flaw. all sd card readers are toast. it's just a matter of time

[tardy walrus]

that might end up being what i get i forgot about that thanks

[gentle slate]

breh I dont have 2$ in my bank acc

[misty plover]

Beirut

[tardy walrus]

nice

[gentle slate]

I have 200 in cash doe. I hate this country. No cards only cash.

[full fossil]

get 2TB 2230 ssd from aliexpress next time.

[polar fern]

Meanwhile I bought a multi-card reader/usb hub

[stray apex]

it's not just the motherboard, though
as far as I can tell their build experience was just kind of shit
https://youtu.be/P2hey3mNnN0?t=1130
this is linus's actual point