public-chat

[elfin nacelle]

Not really an excuse to steal

[stray apex]

Sure?

[full fossil]

i already have a decent cpu + ram config in my main rig so im just gonna buy a 6900xt as a gpu upgrade and forget abt it

[stray apex]

Also, if it's Greece
I can't imagine they're making that much

[full fossil]

11700f + 6900xt sounds like a mighty sweet combo

[full fossil]

me when i'm misinformed

[stray apex]

Has the Greek economy managed to recover?

[full fossil]

greek pay is about average, not spectacular but even minimum wage is very livable there

[stray apex]

The average salary in Greece is like
16k euro?

[full fossil]

the greek economy is still trash but still life for those living off of minimum wage isnt as bad as it can be in some us states

[stray apex]

Computers are commodity pricing, not so regionalized as food or shelter

[elfin nacelle]

the cost of living is relatively low

[full fossil]

yeah

[elfin nacelle]

750 euro without rent? iirc

[stray apex]

Yeah, so a PC would be worth relatively much more

A low cost of living doesn't matter to Nvidia or AMD

[elfin nacelle]

Usually the only thing that gets affected by those economies is micro-transactions

[full fossil]

i managed to find a few decent cost computers when i visited a tech store there

700 euro for a rig with an 11400, 16gb single channel ram and an rx 6650 xt. it isnt spectacular but still ok, not as inflated as i expected

was a prebuilt, but not one of those dell/hp oem boxes, some generic system integrator

[near nymph]

Shipping in Italy is more hell lmfao

[stray apex]

They're in the EU, so it's probably hard for prices to be that bad

[full fossil]

i would rather live in greece than any us state or anywhere in like canada

[elfin nacelle]

Okay not sure about that one lol

[full fossil]

the only thing stopping me at this point is the language barrier

[stray apex]

Why?
The US economy is vastly more stable

[full fossil]

greece is a nicer place to live in general

[elfin nacelle]

How so?

[stray apex]

Like, for all its issues the US is at least not stuck with massive debt payment issues

[full fossil]

i went to a few islands on my most recent trip, very peaceful, essentials and housing are quite cheap, jobs arent hard to find

[unkempt widget]

greece is paying back its debts

also debt isn't directly correlated to economy

[elfin nacelle]

Greece has super high unemployment lol

[stray apex]

Yes, and they also lost twenty fucking five percent of their gdp

To say that they're doing well economically is probably untrue

[full fossil]

the economy may make it look like greece is in a wreck when you look at it from an outsider's perspective from more capitalist countries, but when you actually go there, its very nice

[vapid zephyr]

In the case of Greece? Yes it is

[elfin nacelle]

Downfall of the US housing market arose from them moving from low upfront cost high interest towards high upfront cost low interest

[unkempt widget]

true

[elfin nacelle]

US is not stuck

[stray apex]

They still have a 10% unemployment rate

[elfin nacelle]

If all else congress and the senate will pull something out of their ass from the spending budget to start paying debt worst comes to worst

And? USA still has the most powerful economy in the world

[stray apex]

Yes, basically everyone owes debt
They're not all the same

Japan owes a ton of debt
Nobody is concerned about Japan suddenly imploding

[full fossil]

so? its not like other countries arent higher, spain is at nearly 13% unemployment rate, yet i see a ton of people going there

[graceful burrow]

Wish they'd use it to help the citizens

[elfin nacelle]

Okay well people are concerned about japan imploding but not because of debt lol

Because we aren't stuck with it

[stray apex]

Spain's unemployment is actually similar, and I have no idea how being a great vacation spot means your economy is good

[elfin nacelle]

We may have high debt but it's not like we're incapable of paying it off

[unkempt widget]

they can pay back their debt

[stray apex]

The US owes a lot of money, but it's not even close to the same issue that Greece has

[unkempt widget]

if the us can't pay back their debt, no one will give the us loans

[full fossil]

having a bad economy doesnt directly mean the lives are bad for the people in the country. that may be true in other countries, where if you dont make average, you're practically poverty stricken.

[unkempt widget]

countries also have credit scores

also if the us defaults, jesus christ would there be consequences

[elfin nacelle]

Government is gonna have bigger issues before that ever happens

[stray apex]

Greece also has a youth unemployment rate of 33% which is wild

[unkempt widget]

if there's a political impasse a default could actually happen

[elfin nacelle]

Yeah government is going to cease to exist before that happens

[elfin nacelle]

https://www.tiktok.com/@balkan4you.official/video/7256780706339228955?_r=1&_t=8eB0RNhEuXm

[unkempt widget]

let's say the debt is about to hit the debt ceiling, but neither party is willing to budge

highly improbable, but could happen

[stray apex]

I'm pretty sure the US has actually considered just printing money

[elfin nacelle]

(that's what we do like every time)

[unkempt widget]

ask the germans how well that'll go

[stray apex]

There are ways to manage it, presumably

[elfin nacelle]

The stimulus checks were despicable

i love printing 20% more US dollars just for that!

[unkempt widget]

helicopter money is kinda funny

[stray apex]

Giving a portion of the population a couple thousand extra dollars is not going to increase US dollars in circulation by 20% lmao

How tiny do you think the US economy is

[elfin nacelle]

So what did nancy pelosi do to fund the stimulus checks?

[stray apex]

I'm sure this will lead to a well-informed discussion on monetary policy and not at all what it looks like

[median idol]

Pub Chat do be pub chat

[elfin nacelle]

It's not like the emergency monetary policy for covid directly caused the inflation and printing or anything

[graceful burrow]

I wish we could talk about tech instead of us economy and the politics therein

That'd be radical

Esp since politics are against server rules

[elfin nacelle]

jan 1st 2020 had $4T in circulation ~ jan 1st 2021? $6.7T October 2021? $20.8T

[stray apex]

Ah yes
The amount of USD in circulation was less than a quarter of the GDP of the US

[elfin nacelle]

Do you know what GDP is....?

[graceful burrow]

[unkempt widget]

beautiful

[stray apex]

Hm
Apparently I'm wrong
There's actually only 2.3T USD in circulation rn

[graceful burrow]

It's like two clowns squirting water at eachother through their little flower things

[unkempt widget]

where did you even get your data

[elfin nacelle]

Yeah that was not correct

[stray apex]

They might be confusing M0/M1/M2

[elfin nacelle]

the 20% printed was though

[stray apex]

If the amount of USD in circulation quintupled in a year there would no longer be a global economy

[unkempt widget]

i don't get how they would but ok

[stray apex]

That's not how money works

[unkempt widget]

lol what did you have

[manic torrent]

I see you don't undestand anything about money.

[unkempt widget]

the argument finished

[manic torrent]

doesn't change how wrong they are.

[unkempt widget]

you're too late to the party

[manic torrent]

I was busy getting drugs.

[verbal briar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RMDqqR thoughts on this list as a media center?

[elfin nacelle]

What a great counter-argument

[manic torrent]

sertraline and Albuterol

[full fossil]

i mean what are you trying to do with it

for a media center pc, i'd suggest an apu or something

[unkempt widget]

interesting

[verbal briar]

4k media

[manic torrent]

you took two things that were facts, then connected them directly and ignored everything else. There is no counter argument to something as stupid as that.

[full fossil]

like videos and movies n stuff?

cuz a ryzen apu like a 5600g or 4600g can do that just fine. no need to splash out on a dedicated gpu

[verbal briar]

Yeah, its also gonna drive my theater system

[manic torrent]

When your fundamental argument is from complete ignorance, I can't argue your point without teaching you several economics courses.

[full fossil]

a ryzen apu should be fine, if you plan on doing graphically intensive or gaming tasks, then i'd suggest a dgpu

[verbal briar]

@manic torrent nah thats what my main pc is for, any recommendations for a cooler that will chill out for a couple of years with no cleaning its gonna be under a coffee table and we have pets etc

[manic torrent]

the less you want to service it, the bigger you want it to be 😄

[full fossil]

i mean, you're never gonna avoid cleaning it

i'd suggest cleaning it out every year or so

[manic torrent]

also if you get something nice and open, you can half ass cleaning it with a can of compressed air once every now and then, no need to open it up

[verbal briar]

Im busy with my custom loop, doesnt leak but the level drops alot every week

[mint yacht]

Best cooler if you don't want to service it would be a passive cooler

[full fossil]

the stock cooler will do fine, but it might be a little noisy. the legit cheapest noctua is still pretty damn quiet and efficient enough for a 4600g not being pushed to full tilt

[manic torrent]

This is why I don't have a media PC and haven't for many years - I just use chromecasts.

[full fossil]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TrgrxH

[verbal briar]

You know anything about custom water cooling? I got a ryzen 9 3900x rx6900xt ek blocks and rad, but i keep having issues with the coolant level dropping, i think its evaporating

[full fossil]

custom water cooling is not gonna be something you should do if ur concerned about noise

[manic torrent]

You will ALWAYS have some level of evaporation

[full fossil]

im assuming thats why u picked a noctua cooler, right?

[manic torrent]

wow, could you be MORE wrong?

[mint yacht]

If water level keeps dropping check if there aren't any actual air bubbles anywhere, and check your fittings to make sure they're all sealed properly

But yes, as HardwareBob said, there will always be evaporation and there is nothing you can do about it

[full fossil]

plus you said u want the system to chill out for a few years without constant servicing, thats also something that you prob wont be able to avoid with liquid cooling

[verbal briar]

Apevia PSU i run thermaltake psus with noctua fans in place of the stock ones

[manic torrent]

^^ ... particularly at the top of your res where it won't leak water as such

[full fossil]

i guess do that if thats ur thing ig

[manic torrent]

I went custom water cooling in part to reduce noise.

[full fossil]

the assassin x 120 will prob be decently quiet if you set it to constantly run at like 30% or something with fancontrol or whatever.

[median idol]

Same here

[verbal briar]

Barbed fittings no leaks passes pressure test for 48 hours, just every week my res goes from full to a quarter

[manic torrent]

what hoses are you using. Probably losing it out the hoses.

[unkempt widget]

i always get nervous whenever i see random typing in chat lmfao

usually he starts when i'm doing something i'm not supposed to do

[verbal briar]

... it might be the pump.... it is a bulge pump from a boat but no thats not leaking either

Bilge*

[graceful burrow]

Same
I have one nas that serves the whole network and use those newer chrome cast TV things that support up to av1

[manic torrent]

wtf

[verbal briar]

I have mucho flow rate, and it runs to the 2nd bedroom to dump heat, it runs from one room so in my gaming room its quiet

[manic torrent]

and you can use ffmpeg+ a HLS restreamer to get any content on them

[mint yacht]

That is a lot of tubing to lose water to via evaporation lol

[manic torrent]

ok, whoa whoa, that's a whole different ballgame. You can't just go "oh yeah the loop is like 15m long"

[graceful burrow]

It's goated tbh

[verbal briar]

20m but still i have great temps 40c all day long

[manic torrent]

and you're using a standard PC res.....

[verbal briar]

Thats why i use a bilge pump from a boat

[mint yacht]

We ain't talking temps we're talking evaporation and loss of coolant

[verbal briar]

Correct

[manic torrent]

You should, as per the recent video, and as per my standards, use a heat exchanger.

The PC should be a nice sealed loop, possibly with a rad or two for backup, and a heat exchanger into the bigger loop, which uses the bilge pump and has an appropriately sized reservoir.

That way you can also run different coolant in the different systems and you aren't subjecting your PC to garbage water.

.... again, as per the recent video 🙂

[verbal briar]

The radiators are in another room i dont see the need to run a heat exchanger

[manic torrent]

Neither does linus, but both of you are wrong 🙂

[verbal briar]

Im not using pool water... im literally using 50/50

Actual coolant

[graceful burrow]

50/50 pool water/coolant

[manic torrent]

he isn't using pool water either

also, you almost certainly don't have a 50/50 rate anymore if you're evaporating that much, because it's likely that the glycol sweats out more than the water.

OR if it's pure evaporation, the water loses more

TLDR: physics is hard

like propylene glycol and silicon - the propylene glycol will just come out of the silicone.

[wispy marsh]

Mmh

Street food is nice

[verbal briar]

Also... you dont have to panic its all copper parts

[wispy marsh]

@manic torrent smelly tofu

[unkempt widget]

i hate smelly tofu lmfao

[manic torrent]

I'm not panicking at all - I'm simply saying that from an engineering perspective, Anyone who is any kind of engineer (even someone who plays one on TV) would put a heat exchanger in there 🙂

[unkempt widget]

LOL

[wispy marsh]

[manic torrent]

Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not an engineer, but I still agree you should use a heat exchanger!

[verbal briar]

Ryzen 9 3900x 128gb ram, rx 6900xt all for about 800 buckos i buy broken and fix

I get why heat exhanger but also.... cheaper not to linus brain

[manic torrent]

thing is - your res is a small loop res. But your ACTUAL loop is probably as big as a car loop, and they have much larger reservoirs.

I mean, they also have expansion systems and blah blah, but you get the point. Your reservoir is not sized appropriately.

Things that would be a better/cooler reservoir:

• a wine bottle
• A bucket
• A ziplock bag
• A fishtank iMAC G4
• A bank of parallel PC reservoirs mounted to the wall

[wispy marsh]

It smells hella bad but it's also really delicious

[manic torrent]

The bank of parallel reservoirs I think would look totally badass, mount them to something nice, have it as a feature. Have some RGB in them.

Even better, mount them in front, have actuated valves for each one behind, and program sequences that fill them up one at a time, or do like a wave, or any other kind of patter. Combine that with RGB, and maybe some screens, and you could have an epic showpiece.

Here's me handing out my best ideas on discord, free. Sheesh.

[verbal briar]

Im not too big on rgb

[manic torrent]

yeah but then you could like... have them all green. Then one starts draining, and flashes red. A klaxon sounds. You hit a button, and it goes away. You wipe the sweat from your brow. Another job well done.

[verbal briar]

Im thinking 5 gallon bucket upgrade what do you think?

[fossil dirge]

Why do you think it's a better option to have a fishtank iMac G4

[manic torrent]

Because that would be sick. Classic oldschool vibes, hilarious because ... it's a fishtank

[fossil dirge]

Oh LOL 😆

[manic torrent]

https://www.jakeharms.com/imac-aquarium-diy-kit

literally an off the shelf kit.

[fossil dirge]

Nice

[timid meadow]

Wyd with all that ram? 4 gamers 4k ultra modded minecraft 1 cpu?

[manic torrent]

ANYWAY, the obvious best option is to take a series of reservoirs, mount them on a board, then meter the water into each one, and use the levels as a clock.

[timid meadow]

Is it rude to ask a guy with an eyepatch how he got his eyepatch?

[fossil dirge]

I don't think so

[timid meadow]

It seems pretty permanent. Like its on his work picture. I work security and see the dude every day and im just curious

[manic torrent]

seconds is a reservoir that rises and falls over 60 seconds.

[manic torrent]

if that was me I'd tell a different story every time

[timid meadow]

Nah you can see something fucked up under his skin under it. Definitely an injury or something of some kind

[timid meadow]

Almost like the area got caved in then rebuilt

[fossil dirge]

Probably

[sweet jetty]

Yall seen the new diy perks video?

Absolutely crazy

[timid meadow]

Im just always afraid of someone having a poor reaction because it was like a traumatic experience or something. I wouldnt want people asking me all the time if i had something happen. But like curiosity

[fossil dirge]

Yeah since the guy probably had a traumatic experience

[sweet jetty]

Ikr, absolutely crazy

[unkempt widget]

reinstall browser

use a different browser

before all that, restart pc

[verbal briar]

Cad,4k video editing

[queen ibex]

Hey guys, I'm currently wondering about my 2 bottom 140mm fans and I'm not sure if it's the best layout for performance.

Currently this is my layout.

• 3 Side 120mm Intake
• 2 Top 140mm w/ Radiator Exaust
• 1 Rear 120mm Exaust
• 2 Bottom 140mm Exaust
• CPU AIO
• Horizontal GPU (fans on bottom)

What would be the ideal bottom fans layout?
Exhaust or Intake?

[bronze hatch]

I was watching an old short circuit video where they test out a glass mousepad, and in the video he said there would be an LTT video with the Labs testing out the wear and tear of mouse feet on different surfaces

Did that ever come out? I cant find it

[manic torrent]

you're overthinking it by way too much. I just did 3x120 side/bottom/top, top and bottom exhaust, side intake.

wait... other way around maybe? anyway you get the point

[red breach]

I irrationally hate this

Like obviously anyone can do anything they want with their own money but

those 1999 iMacs are precious and just carving one up to be a fish tank because of a 30 year old meme that LCD-superiority people called CRT-owning laggards "fish tanks" but like.... yeah

[full fossil]

maybe it's for busted imacs

[dreamy rose]

FFS. this is just rubbing salt on the wound
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i5_2450m-vs-intel_processor_n100

[full fossil]

Let’s start a server war, Amd is better than intel, prove me wrong

[dreamy rose]

you literally cant.

[full fossil]

So you agree amd is best

[dreamy rose]

AMD is literally killing them in the Server market.

[full fossil]

Yes

[fossil dirge]

Well AMD is doing well in servers

But I think Intel is a lot better

[full fossil]

I used to game on a server I got for 15$

[fossil dirge]

LOL 😆

[dreamy rose]

since when were they?

[full fossil]

🤓🔫

[fossil dirge]

Well Intel makes better processors

[full fossil]

7970x

[dreamy rose]

after Zen 3 intel has had to get their fucking act together and its still not good enough to fend em off.

[full fossil]

AMD holds the whole budget market along with the mid tier

And who would buy a 3060 when the 6650 xt beats it?

[dreamy rose]

tbf to Intel, AMD aren't making new stuff in the low end. but the older stuff is still too good to pass up.

[full fossil]

Ryzen 3 7300 is coming soon

[dreamy rose]

its not like Radeon is unusable for anything anyway.

[past kernel]

why buy entry level in the first place, go used

[full fossil]

Not necessarily, some people don’t trust used

[past kernel]

then be smart about your purchasing decisions

[full fossil]

And anyways a i7 10700 is beat by the 5600x

[dreamy rose]

anyone not gonna mention my i5 getting slapped around by a Pentium named by Elon Musk?

[full fossil]

2nd gen laptop cpu💀

[dreamy rose]

i've been dealing with it AND a GT 540M for 4 years.

[full fossil]

💀💀

Your cpu is so old is Probably socketable

[dreamy rose]

you're on the nose on that one

sadly i cant throw out this piece of crap GPU. Fuck 1GB DDR3.

[full fossil]

You can get 8th gen laptops for like 200$

With thunderbolt

[dreamy rose]

i'm looking at AMD. Fuck intel i'm not using intel anymore. they've been way too dominant i need to actually USE Ryzen.

cuz aside from the Xbox i've never used AMD.

[full fossil]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/125955720889?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ea0Fq4Z_QdO&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=ly-gctp5sqq&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[dreamy rose]

2700U

[full fossil]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/295798284529?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=HFxJf4YpSYO&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=ly-gctp5sqq&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[dreamy rose]

these aren't doing games bro.

i can just go for a Desktop. i have no objections. i just gotta build it.

you got me confused for a fool if you thinking i paying 125 dollars to let someone build a 1.1k PC.

[full fossil]

There’s a 500 rtx 2050 laptop

[inner trout]

hi not sure how to say this but i have a new pc but my old GPU is a 1060 does any gamer want it? (be in canada cus im not shipping across continents)

(free) no cost cus my new gpu is way bettert

[full fossil]

Ship to us?

[dreamy rose]

aren't using Nvidia either.

[inner trout]

Im just not sending over continents no thanks, no to USA as well too expensive

[full fossil]

Bro shipping to us is like 15$

[inner trout]

canada only if ur in need of a GPU just DM me

ty bye

[full fossil]

Bruh

Dumbass

[dreamy rose]

did this MF come in here just to advertise a GPU and leave?

[austere mulch]

they did kek

[full fossil]

Bro wouldn’t spend 15$ to ship to us💀

[dreamy rose]

ban this Mofo

[full fossil]

Somebody get a mod

[full fossil]

He already left , who cares

No he’s still here

Ohh hi @dreamy rose

[dreamy rose]

hi

[full fossil]

He's not, refresh discord

[full fossil]

Ok

Still says he’s here

Nvm

[graceful burrow]

[full fossil]

I can't send thanos arrival gif

[graceful burrow]

Good

[full fossil]

Well, I've arrived

Damn, the 1060 never got sold

Mission failed, we'll get'em next toim

[dreamy rose]

cpu cooler peel

[austere mulch]

install 6750xt last week
proceed to redeem starfield code
product not valid

good one amd

[full fossil]

not even international shipping? smh people these days!.

father Linus, I have been hit with the curse of sub-megabyte WLAN

[pliant karma]

hi techii

[full fossil]

hii 💀

[pliant karma]

classic warship

[full fossil]

warship bonked me

[pliant karma]

Lol so I replaced the vhb tape on the hdd in my case

less vhb tape I used before but we pray it holds. But seeing how plouffe did his what could go wrong

[full fossil]

kekw nice

[pliant karma]

when you go your jenk ways vs finding a replacement hdd cage for this case that I somehow lost a while back

[full fossil]

jenk>>>

nyse:ionq gonna explode

source: it was revealed to me in a walk

[silent aurora]

Does anyone know why MW2 will launch but wont load? I've tried many solutions and none of them work

[full fossil]

I have a Dell optiplex 3010 with upgraded 1tb ssd

[surreal willow]

hello

[chrome vector]

I showed you my tech tip, please respond

[pliant karma]

👀

[chrome vector]

[full fossil]

gosh, I slept 3 hours but it felt like a whole day, I had 2 dreams in one of which I could go into school classes and just beat the shit out of everyone even the teachers like gta or something

my uncle is watching me play csgo and why do he gotta be roasting me like dawg stop watching me I am getting nervous

[bright forge]

anyone know how well parallels on an m2 pro 16/512 would be able to run 3D modeling software, like solidworks?

[full fossil]

just get better

[jolly sonnet]

Hello.

[full fossil]

? 241.250.193.29

[full fossil]

get gud

[full fossil]

whos ip is that supposed to be

[round bridge]

Do people who say they want nvidia for streaming actually stream

[modest sierra]

1% at most

Streaming is overrated i don’t see what people like about it so much

[fierce moth]

Streaming isn't just limited to twitch and YouTube

There is streaming in discord calls, although I doubt it uses nvenc anyways

had to spin up a xp vm to use this old piece of software

[fierce moth]

you dont burn a dvd everyday

[quick blade]

quite common now

there are alot of old engineering softwares that work best on xp

especially PLC softwares

[vapid smelt]

Smh what your dog doing enjoying retirement?

[teal rose]

I used imgburn on windows 11 tho

[tepid jasper]

uh just tom and jerry that sht

[full fossil]

get a cat (it won't do shit about the mice)

[round bridge]

I just got an Oculus Quest 2, should I get Gorn or Blade and sorcery?

[sick coral]

found this person on etsy who drills holes into cpus and makes keychains out of them

[tired glade]

Horror

[brisk hawk]

does linus offer tips?

[fierce moth]

Good work 007

[brisk hawk]

I was looking to invest in tips by linus

[full fossil]

[south tinsel]

what could this even mean

[brisk hawk]

there could be many tips: finger tips, tippy toes, nasal tip, tip of his...

[fierce moth]

Hacked ps2

[brisk hawk]

cricky, ps2 more like pos2

/s we love ps2

how many ltt store purchases to get the special linus content?

[polar fern]

Octamethylcyclotetrasiloxane

[hearty spear]

I hacked my PSP

[sick coral]

im about to spend 70$ on shiny stickers wish me luck

[fierce moth]

Ps2's are a pain to hack if you have an older model

Cause you can't just use freedvdboot

[hearty spear]

my fave hacked system, is honestly my Wii

[tepid jasper]

what if i want just the tip

[fierce moth]

Wii u is even better ngl

[hearty spear]

I haven't hacked that (yet)

[full fossil]

I tried emulating on my psp but, lol, I had no idea that thing was so lacking in power

[hearty spear]

the only reason to hack the PSP is to run PSP games off a uSD

it's too fuckin' slow for much else

[full fossil]

yea that's all I do now
ripped all my UMDs because they're starting to die

[fierce moth]

The wii u is super easy to hack

Pretty much a Web browser exploit

[hearty spear]

letterbomb still?

[fierce moth]

Nah it's different

[wise tundra]

Letterbomb is a Wii exploit and not a web exploit

I have a TV from 2007 so it doesn't have any fancy Android TV or similar things, so I was thinking could I build a DIY Android TV box? I'm way too broke atm to buy one. Just moved on my own so money is tight

[full fossil]

could you afford a fire tv?

[wise tundra]

Anyone here done something like this? I mean I could just plug my laptop to the TV but that's way more annoying

[wise tundra]

If it's more than 10€, no

I'd prefer to spend money on food

[full fossil]

understandable

[fierce moth]

Best diy option there is for Android TV uses a pi

[wise tundra]

But I have a Raspberry Pi and an old ultra small form factor PC I could use

My Pi is a 2B tho

RasPi 2B or Core 2 Duo

[fierce moth]

😬

[wise tundra]

E8400 is still a fine CPU for light things

My TV is 1080p only anyways

So how bad could it be?

https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/android-tv-x86-guide-diytv-my-own-version-of-google-tv.4227253/
I mean it's worth a shot?

[fierce moth]

You may as well just save up for a chromecast

[wise tundra]

I have an old one somewhere

[hearty spear]

Buy an HP / Dell / Lenovo tiny business pc. 7th gen i5 for 100 bucks or less.

Igpu properly supports 4k

[full fossil]

$10 or less

[hearty spear]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175784533760?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=nn4BN22YR4O&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=HPpGQ3r_TMa&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Has sata or nvme support

(I think there's nvme underneath the board)

[fierce moth]

Jesus no thanks

[gilded quest]

Is that USD?

[pliant karma]

AUS I would think

[pulsar violet]

Just got this bad boy with a $500 discount cause they price matched to the ASUS website https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00124234

Perfect for mech engineering

And upgradability for me

[gilded quest]

$3k

[wise tundra]

At that point I'd just buy a Fire TV

[near nymph]

Came back from LTX2023 to a broken fridge. Fridge tech wanted hundreds to replace it. $22 CAD on Amazon Canada later... Same Day

K the part is slightly different. They make the stem slightly thicker to screw people over. A little sand paper did the trick

[manic edge]

those aren't even old! i910900K?

that's respectable

[near nymph]

Right to Repair 😄

[manic edge]

i swear if we have to fight for fridge right to repair

[near nymph]

Ngl... They make Soo many varieties of this part. It's just the fucking stem is slightly bigger

It's fucking stupid

Works on the exact same compressor

[full fossil]

give me their home address

[near nymph]

On other model fridges.

[finite cloud]

and this why right to repair is awesome

[near nymph]

Saved myself a few hundreds

[fossil frost]

backlight went in my tv. so i took the back off, took the backlight panel off, removed the diffuser... found that the backlight was only 12v leds... and it was fucking 6 of them... so..... i got a 12v white LED strip, and put those on the backlight panel... 64 of them... then soldered them to the old connector.. put the diffuser on, then put everything back together... and the tv worked perfectly fine 😄

worked perfectly fine for about 4 weeks, before the power supply gave up 😄

[manic torrent]

yeah, fucker is like 13. He USED to be able to catch things

[full fossil]

this is why you shouldn't get a gaming laptop

[manic edge]

framework 16 enters chat

[full fossil]

good concept, expensive though.

[manic torrent]

.... no dude. They called them fish tanks because they literally looked like fish tanks. It was an iMac thing specifically, far more than a CRT thing generally. I was there for the 30 year old meme, and it has nothing to do with LCD superiority, and everything to do with "lol it looks like a fishtank".

[manic edge]

true, but worth it in the long run (granted they need to release more graphics modules)

[neat gull]

What is a good replacement for grapeseed oil

[manic torrent]

avocado oil

[neat gull]

I need the same taste as well tho

So I was thinking canola oil

[manic torrent]

.... then use fucking grapeseed oil

[neat gull]

I DONT HAVE ANY

[manic torrent]

canola oil is not the same as grapeseed oil

[fossil frost]

use motor oil, its fine

[neat gull]

That’s why I asked for a replacement

[manic torrent]

... that's exactly the same

[neat gull]

Good I’ll use that then

[viral solstice]

what are you cooking, grapeseed oil is a high heat oil, are you pan frying?

[fossil frost]

as i said, use motor oil, its fine as long as its fresh

[neat gull]

Grill. 500°F+

[manic torrent]

as is avocado, hence the recommendation 🙂

[neat gull]

I don’t have Avocado oil

[full fossil]

that 7700s better beat a 4070 for it to be worth it

[fierce moth]

Aussie bucks

[gilded quest]

Phew

[fierce moth]

Literally almost the same price as the og ps3 at launch in Australia

[neat gull]

Australia

[full fossil]

just use olive oil

[neat gull]

Have you encountered those long ahhh worms at the beach yet @fierce moth

[full fossil]

coconut oil probably taste better tho

[fierce moth]

You mean snakes?

[neat gull]

I’ve got a choice between olive and canola

[manic torrent]

oh god no, please

[neat gull]

No. Worms.

[fierce moth]

Worms are worms

[manic torrent]

The flash point of olive oil is 410°F. 500F is too hot for olive

[neat gull]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8L1uooR/

These

[manic torrent]

I mean it's also too hot for canola but hey

[fierce moth]

Oh BTW I've hacked my ps2 by doing the old swap trick method, used a burnt DVD and an original copy of 007 agent under fire @manic torrent

Use a bit of card to open the thing up

[neat gull]

I guess it’s better than nothing

[dull granite]

well this is uncanny

[manic torrent]

OH, it's also past the smoke point of grapeseed oil

so whatever you're doing, you're doing it wrong.

[pulsar violet]

Can Thunderbolt 4 be used to connect ethernet with a dongle?

[manic torrent]

yes

[fierce moth]

I have never seen these

[manic edge]

hopefully will

[manic torrent]

can thunderbolt 4 do X : yes.

[pulsar violet]

alr thanks, what about USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C

[full fossil]

nevermind, its more similar to a 4060 mobile LOL

[neat gull]

Time to get my lazy ass up and go to the store.

[pulsar violet]

nvm found one

[fierce moth]

I have to burn a couple of more DVDs lol

[manic torrent]

Given that you can get a USB2 ethernet dongle, and that they are all backwards compatible - yes. Now, how about you ask your ACTUAL question?

[manic edge]

still worth it simply for how repairable it is

[neat gull]

ALRIGHT I HAVE DECIDED TO BUY THE… lancool 216 of course 🗣️

[fierce moth]

And to mod my ps2 I had to spin up a xp vm to use this old piece of software

[manic torrent]

yeah pretty normal for that sort of esoteric aged thinfg

[pulsar violet]

No dw that was it, I got a laptop and doesn't have ethernet but rather image below, and I wanted to use thunderbolt for my primary display and HDMI for secondary until I move my setup there, meaning I can replace my PC for the time being going to uni

[full fossil]

considering you can buy a same spec laptop now for 1k, and then later down the road a new one and it would still be cheaper than buying it right now.

[fierce moth]

Thank fuck for internet archive still hosting xp isos

[manic edge]

or buy a new gpu and keep a laptop from being ewaste

[full fossil]

have you americans heard of something called giving it to your relative?

[manic edge]

i'm not american lol

[full fossil]

thinking everything old is gonna be e-waste is a bad assumption

[manic edge]

but it's true. crts are now considered e-waste

[full fossil]

can't compare PCs to CRTs really

[gilded quest]

Everything will eventually become ewaste

[dusky jacinth]

Yeah, which is why there's plenty of people who hold onto stuff. They're still useful or fit some niche maybe no one else would consider. And then of course, we also do handmedowns.
That's how I got my first laptop, that's how I got my first pro monitor.

[full fossil]

I love e waste😍 my pc is 1/2 ewaste🥰

framework doesn't make sense for the average consumer.

[gilded quest]

I love the framework, but it's absolutely a price premium over the competitors.

[manic edge]

do you think a pc from the 90s still exists as a gaming rig?

[full fossil]

will you use a 40 year old framework laptop? its eventually gonna be full new parts over time.

[fossil frost]

as a retro gaming rig? yes.. as a demo gaming rig in a museum such as "this museum is not obsolite" yes

[full fossil]

I'll buy an ibm server once I get 50$

[manic edge]

good point. though those are far and few between

[full fossil]

bruh I found an old ibm server on marketplace for 50$

[manic edge]

if it's possible? yes.

[fossil frost]

i have one in my house, several of my friends have them, there is a large youtube and reddit community around them

just because you are unaware of them, does not mean they dont exist

[manic edge]

i never said they didn't

[fierce moth]

Time to burn a DVD lol

[manic edge]

i said in general

[gilded quest]

What's the power consumption for the performance it offers

[fossil frost]

been ripping VHS to DVD and/or MP4 over the last few days myself 🙂

[manic torrent]

The problem is a small company can't afford a failed product or absorb overhead.

[dusky jacinth]

Framework or anything like what they do makes sense for the repair shops and DIY people most average consumers may consider going to for help before just throwing out their stuff in terms of repairability and parts recycling, for way less than buying new all over again.
That's where it could actually make sense for the average consumer who'd rather save money and get the most out of what they have at the same time.

[full fossil]

2 psus only from the pics I saw

[fierce moth]

Mostly gonna burn backups as games on usb sucks in the ps2's case

Cause you're dealing with usb 1.1

[gilded quest]

I understand the struggles. I respect what they're doing, but I'd need a decent raise before I'd consider a framework for my personal needs.

[acoustic pond]

Went to my local Microcenter for the first time in years and fell in love again

[gilded quest]

Some of us don't have microcenters....😭

[acoustic pond]

-pats- its ok man next time I go will be in your honor

[fierce moth]

Microcentre doesn't even exist in Australia

[acoustic pond]

im spoiled to have a microcenter and Altex

[dusky jacinth]

And the rest of us live too far away from most of them.

[gilded quest]

I only have best buy

[acoustic pond]

its next time I go after the next time will be in your honor

[full fossil]

some people that wanna feel good about themselves for 'helping' the planet by reducing e waste? yep
you spend less buying a 1k laptop now that has the same performance as a framework and a 1k laptop 4 years later down the road

[acoustic pond]

is your best buy always dead, because mine are everytime I go in, its like a ghost town

[manic edge]

so you're saying laptops should be disposable?

because it's cheaper?

[full fossil]

you'll stop using them or use them for other purposes (such as servers etc.) when they stop being useful.

[dusky jacinth]

And you spend even less going with a modular system that you can always just take to someone else who can easily swap in and out parts for you for cheaper than replacing the whole unit later.

[manic edge]

why would i do that if a laptop that's more powerful is only $1k?

[acoustic pond]

I would love a modular system but I don't see it happening. Too many greedy companies that want to use their own OEM products

[dusky jacinth]

I speak more as the typical consumer who is annoyed at the concept that I have to replace the whole damn thing for the same price or more every time, when it doesn't seem at surface level I'd need to do that if all I have to do is get parts changed or fixed.

Which btw, there's actually many of us who exist with that mindset.

[full fossil]

you don't, framework currently costs over 2k with a dGPU so you can get the same performance today with a 1k laptop, and in the future instead of spending like 500 to upgrade it you can get a another 1k laptop that's better.
its indeed a cool idea but doesn't make much sense.

[manic edge]

wdym?

[gilded quest]

If you're on a tight budget, it's a tough sell

If you can afford to spend extra on a computer now, the framework makes a lot of sense imo

[manic edge]

i have an 11th gen i7 and my bottleneck is an outdated gpu

[acoustic pond]

Anyone ever used System76 laptops, I used to have one and loved it

[fossil frost]

in what way is it a bottleneck?

[gilded quest]

I wanted one for a while but their designs sort of fell behind

[manic edge]

bad performance in games

[dusky jacinth]

And again, as somebody who found out modular laptops existed and questioned why certain devices can't just be "fixable" instead of costing a thousand every single replacement, with only a steep upfront cost to worry about, yet are cheaper in the long run, then this argument easily falls flat no matter who's saying it.

[fossil frost]

then its not a bottleneck, its a poorly matched part for the system

[dusky jacinth]

And I already said there's more than just me who exists with that mindset.

[full fossil]

Is it worth getting 7800x3d system this late into the year or would I have been better off just waiting for the next round of releases? Like 8000 or 14 gen

[manic edge]

maybe so, but having it be replaceable would mean it's less expensive and a laptop doesn't become e-waste

[dusky jacinth]

Like seriously, even a laptop is considered a mobile device. Guess where this mindset exists at with so many people annoyed at gadget prices?
Mobile.

[manic edge]

framework isn't like any other laptop where you replace it every 3 years. it's an investment that you upgrade and keep for a long time

[full fossil]

you're basically gonna have to replace the everything on the framework, they aren't going to beat normal laptops till the price gets competitive.

[dusky jacinth]

Exactly, just like a regular tower almost.

[manic edge]

if you look at it from the disposable laptops point of view, you're right, they aren't worth it.

if you look at the long term, it pays itself

[dusky jacinth]

Like Chromebooks?

[manic edge]

exactly.

[manic edge]

how? most people don't replace their cpus every year, or their ssd, ram, mobo, fans, etc.

[dusky jacinth]

One thing everyone who typically buys something tech-wise considers it to be an investment, unless they have money to blow or don't think in the long term, is to get something reliable.

[gilded quest]

I'd like to see framework bring the cost of their main boards down further

[full fossil]

yes but they'll all be outdated or need to be replaced eventually, the screen, keyboard, etc.

[manic edge]

yes, but you still pay less overall

[manic edge]

yes, but not in 3 years.

[dusky jacinth]

Sure, but by the time that replacement comes around, you're replacing one piece, not everything with it that may even still work when it doesn't.

[full fossil]

you don't, framework doesn't have any competitors for it to be price competitive.

[manic edge]

yet

[acoustic pond]

exactly, yet

[slate kiln]

I always try buy second-hand CPU more powerful for my board i a faw year

[acoustic pond]

This is why competition is so important

[slate kiln]

and ram

[manic edge]

it will come down regardless once they improve their manufacturing

[gilded obsidian]

That sounds crazy

[acoustic pond]

but then you got companies like Apple who just solder on the ram and everything making it unserviceable or upgradeable

[full fossil]

yes, its not going to change till we get competition, makes more sense at the upper 1600s range.

[manic edge]

they're still a laptop company competing with other laptop companies

[dusky jacinth]

HP dropped into that sector, more than likely to test their design house's capability.
A small maker and a giant dropped into the pool, handheld pcs out of Valve and ASUS also made the splash for similar concept in terms of reparability and modding.

You got the ones making the waves and they are most certainly making waves.

[manic edge]

area 51 M was very promising until dell did dell things

[dusky jacinth]

It doesn't take long for anyone else to come along as well.

[pliant karma]

classic dell

[acoustic pond]

but if HP or a big player drops in how do we know their framework wont be like only works with HP approved parts like what Dells does with their shit

and then 8 years down the line its like oh sorry your framework device is too old now, please upgrade

[manic edge]

plus, frameworkk depends on customers buying from them for upgrades even though everything is open-source

[elfin solar]

Like the idea of Framework. Wouldn't buy one.

[manic edge]

you could make your own part or buy from a third party

[dusky jacinth]

Because if they do come in, then there will be standards made for them for interoperability.

[manic edge]

or you could buy from them for guaranteed quality

[acoustic pond]

who will make these standards?

[dusky jacinth]

Which if they don't have, then they'll have extra headaches for support and device manufacturing.

[acoustic pond]

and how will they make other companies follow the standards?

[manic edge]

fair enough.

[elfin solar]

Meant to add to that the initial cost is currently to high

[manic edge]

if the FTC ever grows a pair, then probably them

[acoustic pond]

what about internationally then lmao

[full fossil]

yeah, they have a premium on storage and ram also
would recommend buy them online for cheaper.

[manic edge]

that's understandable. it is expensive at first

[manic edge]

agreed. though the markup is more for R&D than profits

[manic edge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dusky jacinth]

Internationally, everyone either copies one another to save on costs or tries to wing it with something that "seems to work fine".

[manic edge]

USB and PCIe was adopted internationally because of demand, so probably that?

[dusky jacinth]

It's too expensive and/or a hassle to come up with your own thing in such a new segment, no matter how big the company is anywhere.

[manic edge]

proprietary connectors are worse for profits

[acoustic pond]

yes USB and PCIe but thats only when a ton of companies came together and finally agreeed on it

[indigo plume]

getting ikea desk and cant decide if I want white or black alex drawers lol

[acoustic pond]

when your a big company sometimes its just holding on your marketshare

[acoustic pond]

get pink

[dusky jacinth]

Framework making it, let alone other companies doing open standards like System 76 or Tux, usually seems like it's near impossible, yet they manage to anyway surprisingly.

[manic edge]

yeah, still not profitable though

[acoustic pond]

many companies now run on a dont care about profit just growth, uber is a example of this

[dusky jacinth]

Framework compared to them though was kind of a bombshell to the laptop and DIY market because even in the mobile phone space, modularity was all over the place and almost even unrealistically handled.

[manic edge]

it's a high risk high reward kind of mindset which usually makes them do unethical things to grow

[fossil frost]

grow as fast and as large as possible and become "too big to fail" and then the government will bail you out

[manic edge]

and now the market wants modularity back

[acoustic pond]

basically

[acoustic pond]

I wouldent excactly call proprietary connectors unethical. Annoying yes but not unethical

[manic edge]

which is why we should vote people who aren't easily bribed into doing that

[acoustic pond]

lol

[manic edge]

proprietary connectors are just annoying, i meant more like "abuse chinese workers and children to make crappy phones" unethical

[fossil frost]

meta and its various products are now in a position to where meta is too big to fail. if whatsapp was shut off, or facebook messenger was shut off, millions to billions of people would no longer be able to communicate easily... so if meta had a HUGE slump tomorrow, and went bankrupt... various governments would bail them out

[acoustic pond]

Ah yea I got you, well with China I don't know what to tell you lmao

[dusky jacinth]

And who can blame them all for wanting that back?
It makes more sense, especially now where stuff like thousand dollar phones and trashy tech you can't hold onto for long is becoming aggravating as things go forwards, based on the current practices.

[manic edge]

if you have the money, i guess try supporting companies that don't use slave labour and hope that china can eventually topple the dictatorship there

[dusky jacinth]

Sure, we get an actually good startup that took the world by storm (and succeeded) that's a bit out of reach for the price, but with the demand for it's type of device around, it won't take long for more to show up.
It takes a lot to get such a ball rolling, but if it fills a need or want somewhere in the market, then as long as the niche holds up, it'll eventually get to where it needs to go.

[acoustic pond]

I think you are over generalizing

[manic edge]

monopolies. one of the most anti-consumer thing to exist

[manic edge]

probably, yeah though i plan on getting a fairphone as my next phone

[fossil frost]

meta doesnt have a monopoly with whatsapp or fbm... there are LOTS of alternatives, but, consumers in various countries have decided to stick to these 2, other countries, have chosen others

[acoustic pond]

^

and its different world wide, in China Wechat is massive, in Japan its Line, and in Korea its Kakaotalk

[dusky jacinth]

They also sorta would have to because even before becoming Meta, FB became one of the biggest pillars of the internet's infrastructure next to Amazon, Microsoft, and CloudFlare. So if they go down, a huge portion of the internet will as well.

[acoustic pond]

uh Google?

[tepid jasper]

fuck wechat

[manic edge]

google could go down but there are alternatives to them

[tepid jasper]

i hate wechat but i have to use it for work

[gilded quest]

Good on you
I couldn't use a mid-range phone tho

[acoustic pond]

Google controls a HUGE chunk of search results, they are the people who demanded all sites use SSLs, SEO is basically dictated by Google

[manic edge]

i'm hoping their next flagship is a bit more powerfull, too

[dusky jacinth]

Google is... Complicated to say sometimes.
They should be big, but like... Is it really or is that just YT and a few of the services they haven't given up on yet?
And the only huge thing they still have is being the major search engine overall.

[full fossil]

My IEM sounds louder on my mobile than the pc. What might be the reason?
My mobo is: msi mag b660m bazooka ddr4

[gilded quest]

I find it weird that they don't use flagship components. If they want the phone to actually last 5 years, they should give it an SoC that will still feel snappy in a few years. Mid range SoCs tend to age fast

[dusky jacinth]

Beyond that, the others (most particularly Meta) hosts a lot of sites and web services, or at least runs most of them across them.

[manic edge]

google isn't an internet company, they're an advertising company

[dusky jacinth]

Google's share in that field, from what I last observed, was smaller.

[acoustic pond]

Youtube, Gmail, Drive, Google Workspaces just to name a few @dusky jacinth could you image if those just "went away" They did just sell their google domain registrar to Squarespace though recently which came out of no where

[gilded quest]

Google knows more about me than I know about me

[manic edge]

might be because they need to cut costs without turning unethical

idk tho

[acoustic pond]

I should of refered by the parent company Alphabet Inc which is a conglomerate at this time

[tepid jasper]

try asking in #audio-tech perhaps?

[gilded quest]

Yeah it's a tough business choice

[dusky jacinth]

Aanndd like Mono said, they aren't an internet/infrastructure company specifically.
Those are their services, but not actual foundations in the internet itself because they don't host all the other sites and services that make up the internet at large to the same degree as the rest of the providers.

[manic edge]

amazon could go down and that would cause an impact, but the competitors will quickly fill that void

[full fossil]

yeah got my answer there, thanks

[dusky jacinth]

Which funnily enough, in terms of such, everyone's still smaller than a cloud service like Linode. Lol.

Yet, it's strangely still Meta who has most of the infrastructure anyway.

Then again, they were probably given too much leway to begin with.

[manic edge]

definintely. lax regulations and pathetic fines make megacorporations what they are today

what fines for anti trust lawsuits should be (imo) is a percentage of their income before tax, averaged out over a few years.

fines need to be a gut punch, not a slap on the wrist

[acoustic pond]

You might not remember but before WeChat it was QQ messenger and that was worse

[tepid jasper]

💀

we don't talk about that one

[fossil dirge]

Well TF2 has been out for a long time

Well Linus had to change that since handheld gaming has been very well especially with the Steam Deck

[wise tundra]

@full fossil grabbed an AMD A10 laptop off of my shelf. Hope I can get it to work so that it doesn't care about the lid

[fossil dirge]

Wow LOL 😆

[chilly fiber]

That's some smoothbrain thinking, from you and the comments. Like nothing in the world can change...

[wise tundra]

In 3DMark's Sling Shot Extreme a 4K Chromecast gets 373 points, an Nvidia Shield gets 4238 points and this laptop get's 2552 points so it should be good enough.

[chilly fiber]

Was he wrong though? The fact is just that handheld gaming was pretty much dead in 2021.

And then Valve came past and showed that it could work.

Things can change, that doesn't mean that observations in the past were wrong

That some manufacturers did exist, doesn't make the observation less wrong. Even today from all the brands you named, only Aya Neo rings a bell with me.

And as stated in the tech quickie, their product were less than stellar

Sure dude, an industry noone talked about except maybe Nintendo was flourishing.

[winter wagon]

Ladsss

[full fossil]

LK-99 hype

[full fossil]

invest invest invest $$$

[chilly fiber]

Aah yes, those handful creators with maybe a few thousands views. Even today the fact is that people on average know only the Valve Steamdeck and the Nintendo Switch.

[modest umbra]

finally bought some LTT stuff after scraping some money together :D

[tepid jasper]

i can't justify a 90 cad screwdriver for myself but it is very beautiful in person

[chilly fiber]

So tell me the revenues of those companies back in 2021 with source links. If the handheld gaming industry was doing great, it should show multiple millions of dollars or euros.

[tepid jasper]

what everyone said about it is true, everything from the nurling to the low backforce to the bit holder feels amazing

it might as well be a fidget toy

[chilly fiber]

Proof it

[jagged frigate]

nuh uh

[chilly fiber]

For someone who accused me that I would stop arguing because I didn't like your arguments, you sure were pointing to yourself

[jagged frigate]

[fierce moth]

Where did all the blue names go?

[chilly fiber]

Awh projection, how cute. Because I disagree with you on one point, I need to agree on everything Linus said.....

You are the one claiming that an industry was already thriving, which means you have the burden of proof.

Not me. Hell my proof is easy, as said I only recognize one brand. One which was featured multiple times by LTT, in a kinda positive light. But if I ask around with my friends, family and coworkers, I may see even less recognition.

[fossil frost]

why would you expect anybody to know about certain nitch products/companies?

you cant EXPECT anything from anybody, and you cant act all high and mighty/gatekeepery about it when they dont

accept that somebody disagreed with you, like a grown up, and deal with it

[chilly fiber]

Especially if you claim that they were thriving

[manic torrent]

uhhhhh dude that's the entire point of hiring people.

[fossil frost]

thats entirely irrelivent

[manic torrent]

like I don't know even know the original context, but holy shit.

"omg they hire people smarter than them" is a pretty hot take

[fossil frost]

and yeah, not everyone knows everything... a good business owner knows the extent of their own knowledge, and knows when to hire somebody who knows better

[manic torrent]

Not everyone can be as smart as me, it's true

[fossil frost]

a company can thrive within a nitch community, "thriving" doesnt imply global knowledge

[manic torrent]

niche 🙂

[chilly fiber]

However the claim was that the whole industry was thriving, which it did not in my opinion.

But yes it can be pretty subjective

[fossil frost]

eat shit bob... 😄

[chilly fiber]

Bad word

[fossil frost]

the company i work for is absolutely thriving... but i can garentee that nobody in this channel has ever heard of them

[chilly fiber]

Same here, but I can also state that the industry (Healthcare) is thriving with growing numbers of old people

[fossil frost]

i can be almost certain that anybody in this channel that works in the same industry as my company, has probably never heard of us, even though we are a multi billion pound company

[dusk pond]

someone brought something funny up; if we didnt have the internet, would we still be installing PC games with CD's or would we have USB sticks or SSD's preloaded with games

[fossil frost]

we would have much faster disk drives

higher capacity bluray... (they had 200gb in testing before people sort of just stopped buying disks)

[manic torrent]

.... and growing numbers of sick and disabled people.... and lower staffing levels because of people leaving and being sick

[chilly fiber]

Yep, quite a shitty vicious cycle.

[fossil frost]

stamping millions of disks is far cheaper than producing flash media with the data burned into it (which is why consoles dont use carts anymore, except for nintendo, because they have a dead horse to flog)

[manic torrent]

The hypothetical doesn't work - The internet is a bell that can't be unrung. People were distributing stuff via BBSes before the internet.

[chilly fiber]

In the Netherlands they basically calculated that 1 in 5 employees has to work in the Healthcare industry to keep same staffing levels

[dusk pond]

well thats why its a hypothetical

[manic torrent]

There is no "what if no internet", because it fundamentally doesn't work. You change everything

[manic torrent]

it isn't though, because you absolutely cannot control for it.

[dusk pond]

its a hypothetical bcz its not possible, its just something goofy to think about. there is not supposed to be logic behind it

[manic torrent]

.... it's not even goofy, it's just stupid

[dusk pond]

😔

[fossil frost]

you could "undo" the global internet, but even then, we would still have national internets that are disconnected from the global net. we would just need some stupid politicians being paid off by the right (wrong) people

[manic torrent]

in which case you more or less get to the same point

[dusk pond]

my original comment had nothing to do with politics 😭 i just wanted to see what you thought 😔

[manic torrent]

... you THINK it didn't, but politics isn't magically seperate to reality.

[past egret]

its so joever

[full fossil]

What

[manic torrent]

wut

[modest leaf]

your mom thought pretty highly of me

💣

[past egret]

ever since i updated the macbook air to ventura battery life has taken a huge dip

[chilly fiber]

Anybody know how far they are with nanobots fixing your body?

[orchid wagon]

Well, you bought an Apple product. What did you really expect

[chilly fiber]

I am getting tired on waiting till my broken ankle is fully healed

[orchid wagon]

They're just gonna keep doing the same things with their devices

[past egret]

well the laptop is like 5 years old

[orchid wagon]

Hmmmm... if the internet wasn't as big as it was, then would be still be installing Windows on physical media like discs?

Because like someone else mentioned, if your situation were true then discs would have much larger capacities than what we have right now

The other guys are boring. It's a hypothetical situation, there's nothing to overthink about it lmao

Literally just a "what if"

[orchid wagon]

To clarify I mean the same commonality as installing, say, Windows 95 on floppy

[orchid wagon]

Don't know and don't really care, if it makes American healthcare more expensive then no thank you

[modest leaf]

are you saying theres a problem with windows 3.11 on diskettes???? thems fightin words

the world would be better off with windows on 5.25" floppies

[orchid wagon]

No? Just making another hypothetical question on top of another hypothetical question

[chilly fiber]

Well even today no internet connection is beating the bandwidth of a van full of HDD driving down the highway

[modest leaf]

well hypothetically, I think the hypothetical situation of windows 11 on Jazz drives would be the pinacle of humanity

[chilly fiber]

In the USA it will make it more expensive, in Europe it will make Healthcare cheaper

[orchid wagon]

we live in a society

[orchid wagon]

Imo yes and no

[chilly fiber]

Never said anything about latency

[orchid wagon]

I know

But at what point would you also have to consider signal degredation, or I guess for the van, the risk of damaging the drives

It's an interesting situation

[past egret]

how much is a sand dollar worth

[orchid wagon]

idk at least 2 cents

[past egret]

google, show me the conversion rate of sand dollars to usd

[orchid wagon]

you forgot to say hey google

[chilly fiber]

Good question, would it help if the van was an ambulance going all weewooo

[orchid wagon]

In the US, no, it would cost even more money https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/829168578912583720.webp?size=64

[green tiger]

PINE

[orchid wagon]

damn no embed

[green tiger]

MY FAVORITE

[orchid wagon]

yoo it do be kiddo

[green tiger]

HEYYY

[past egret]

sand dollars so stupid creatures, they look so dumb, flat biscuit thing

[chilly fiber]

Yeah, I read somewhere that someone got out of his ambulance fare by arguing that the medical helicopter (which was covered) would have been way more costly to the insurance

[orchid wagon]

american healthcare is the best

ngl, people need to use ebay more

I've seen a lot of people who are scared of using it

[dusk pond]

yes, we need to start ordering iv bags and doing our own bloodwork thru ebay 🥱

stick it to the man, W Pine

[chilly fiber]

From what I hear from both USA as the Netherlands, the site is a huge mixed bag.

[chilly fiber]

No joke, those I bags are great against hangovers

[orchid wagon]

Well it just works like Amazon if it's covered under ebay's money back guarantee

as long as you get what's advertised then there's no reason for you to get scammed

For example I ordered a special battery bank about a month and a half ago, and it never arrived, so I opened a case with ebay, they found it in my favor, and they refunded me

¯_(ツ)_/¯

also I still can't believe y'all really brought politics into a hypothetical question

major bruh moment

[chilly fiber]

TBH, of all bigger webshops in the Netherlands, Amazon tends to be very meh.

[orchid wagon]

I could see that being true considering how a lot of big companies are starting to do REALLY sketchy things

For example... Twit- X

and I guess reddit

and youtube as well

and apple...

[past egret]

all companies are sketchy in some way

[orchid wagon]

Indeed but seems like right now they're purposefully just shooting themselves in the foot for no reason at all

[chilly fiber]

It's just not starting. The Netherlands already had a huge webshop industry. IIRC the Netherlands was one of the last European countries with their own language website and support.

Even today they have problems getting market share

[manic torrent]

.... it's a stupid hypothetical that makes no sense. The amount of other questions you need to answer in order to even start thinking about it makes it ridiculous. It is a much more reasonable hypothetical if you don't understand how computers and networks work, but hey

[orchid wagon]

Bro it's not that deep lmao

[past egret]

which is great

[orchid wagon]

Not for us, whatever they're doing is actually harming the consumer in some way

Reddit for example, and whatever is going on with Apple right now that Louis just documented

Oh and YouTube too, like bruh they really downgraded 1080p and paywalled the higher bitrate 1080p stream

[manic torrent]

so it's a fun exercise for idiots? awesome.

[orchid wagon]

Dude, I don't get what your problem is. It would be nice if you would stop ruining other people's fun lmao. Not all of us think the way you do

[manic torrent]

You just like to keep everything light and breezy! All positive vibes! bro!

Why would you need to understand something!

[manic torrent]

That is absolutely not what happened at all, but go off.

[orchid wagon]

Yes it is

Clearly you have not seen the button

There is a new premium option for "high bitrate" 1080p

[dusk pond]

pine you cant argue with someone who doesn't care

[manic torrent]

I have, and I understand what it is. Youtube has created a high bitrate 1080p for SOME videos, that is a NEW feature, and it changes the existing 1080p not at all.

They did not "downgrade 1080p". That's absolutely and unequivocally false.

[orchid wagon]

It's still a pretty douche move from YouTube

[manic torrent]

Is it? providing a new feature to paid users?

While not changing the service offering for others?

[orchid wagon]

It's a feature that shouldn't really be a thing

[manic torrent]

Shouldn't it? why?

[orchid wagon]

Yeah sure higher bitrate 1080p is nice but why paywall it for 1080p? Idk what the increase is but considering it's 1080p it can't be that much taxing to Google's infrastructure for them to put it behind a paywall

Just because it only benefits premium users doesn't mean it's a valid decision

[manic torrent]

that's not how paid tiers work. You pay for functionality. Cost recovery is complex.

valid decision? I guess youtube need to run their commercial decisions past you in the future

[orchid wagon]

I won't argue with you any further, we both have our own opinions, and obviously not all of our opinions will play nicely all the time

I still think it should not have been done

[dusk pond]

my guy cant argue without being demeaning towards someone

[orchid wagon]

They're stating facts but I agree to some degree

[dusk pond]

no no im not saying anything about who is correct, its just every time they say something it is followed by something brash or rude for no reason

[orchid wagon]

No I know, bro did the same thing to your hypothetical question that was literally just meant to be a fun discussion

I thought rule 2 said not to be a dick towards others, but I'm only new here I guess

[manic torrent]

You can think that, but you claimed they downgraded 1080p which was false, and your arguments have been ridiculous

[dusk pond]

Try "It's okay to have that opinion, but your claim was false and I disagree with your arguments"

[manic torrent]

A good argument for your case is that poorer users tend to have lower power devices that tend to be lower resolution (ie 1080p), and that high bitrate 1080p is a better fit for those users than trying to load a high resolution stream.

[orchid wagon]

That's just my take on it, obviously I'm probably very wrong but I don't have much information on it. So far the speculation (according to several Reddit threads) is that this is just YouTube testing something. Some also do believe that they did downgrade 1080p in turn for this premium bitrate option

[manic torrent]

"some believe"

[polar fern]

https://www.youtube.com/live/NpHFB_DYXhY?feature=share

[dusk pond]

Do you really think youtube would tell you if they lowered their bitrates to make the premium option more appealing

[manic torrent]

Because there's NO WAY to measure these things.

also, I don't care if they would or not - a claim requires SOME evidence or authority.

[dusk pond]

I never said there wasn't, but do you think YouTube would admit to doing that? Just another hypothetical

[manic torrent]

A) probably not, but it's highly unlikely they would explicitly lie about it. B) From a technical standpoint, it's also extremely unlikely.

[orchid wagon]

Well anyways if I was slightly right or very wrong on this topic, I apologize for my lack of research and my atrocious behavior that has led you to act this way. Let's just part ways on this. Okay? Thanks for understanding

I will do my absolute best that I don't upset you any more times in the future

[dusk pond]

#screenshots message

[left jetty]

Hello, what are some good budget PCs for about £1000

[orchid wagon]

I am assuming you're asking about a prebuilt

[left jetty]

Yes probably

[orchid wagon]

what

[left jetty]

Or not idk, i can just get my mate to do it cuz idk how

Building i mean

[orchid wagon]

So do you want to build it or get a prebuilt lmao

[tender geyser]

WHAT

[dusk pond]

I mean if the game were optimized well at launch, it would've already been on PS4 and Xbox One. I've heard its a great game with bad performance (similar to Jedi: Fallen Order) so hopefully this means that it'll end up being a great game with good performance

[orchid wagon]

I've heard its a great game with bad performance
I mean, what isn't these days

[tender geyser]

oh definitely

[full fossil]

baldur's gate 3

[orchid wagon]

damn, never heard of it

[full fossil]

a true L for you, it's phenomenal

[dusk pond]

True, there are a lot of games releasing that had potential to be good but were received poorly because of their piss poor performance. Take Remnant 2, I've heard great things about that game but it seems to struggle on anything that isn't the highest end hardware

[bronze hatch]

did LTT stop putting the intro in their videos?

[full fossil]

depends on the video. it comes and goes because of retention metrics

[orchid wagon]

speaking of, LMG has been spitting out a lot of videos lately

I would love for them to do another dashcam review with Sony Starvis 2 sensors in the newer dashcams

[full fossil]

usually 1 per day, but LTX altered their schedule

[manic torrent]

whoa dashcams using a new sensor? That's actually cool

[orchid wagon]

yeah Viofo's whatever it was has a new version using a Starvis 2 sensor, which Sony says will boost night time performance and license plate legibility with movement

But then if LTT does make a video on it, then they would have to increase their budget as these newer dashcams are pretty damn expensive

[manic torrent]

For others playing along at home - the google stats don't make it easy at all to see the overall bitrate of a video. Youtube uses variable bitrate, so you really want the average bitrate of the video for comparison purposes. The easiest way to do that is to load youtube, press F12 to load the inspect/debug panel, click network, and filter for 'video'. Click the video, and you'll see all the data that comes down for the video. Watch the whole thing, then calculate the bitrate from the total data vs the playtime.

[summer folio]

Super Switch 2 in 2024 Hype

[wispy marsh]

Morning

[jaunty compass]

Bad games with worse performance?

[dusty rune]

blud saying morning while im still up

[orchid wagon]

2042 right

[dusty rune]

its pretty much the best rpg

[jaunty compass]

Don't know I didn't play it

[orchid wagon]

yeah me neither

[dusty rune]

AAA game devs hate it cause its too good

[jaunty compass]

My grandmother just gave me a bunch of computers from her office because she upgraded a bunch of them

Most of them are pentium or Celeron ewaste but this one is really promising

[dusty rune]

"wahh we cant make one as good, dont expect us to!"

[jaunty compass]

The $5 180w power supply I got from goodwill like 2 years ago came in clutch

This was a great impulse buy lol

[orchid wagon]

It's better than Dell award

[jaunty compass]

It is a Dell power supply

[orchid wagon]

It's better than Dell award

[jaunty compass]

I'm pretty sure this was for a high-end alienware, because it's 180 w

[sturdy dune]

it was 115° 3 days ago and now its raining. vegas moment

[jaunty compass]

If this laptop has a dedicated GPU and a quad core, I may just buy a new battery for it and keep it as a spare machine

[dusty rune]

it was like 95F in my city then a few days later the entire city was in shambles due to a storm

[sturdy dune]

lol

[dusty rune]

55 mph winds

[sturdy dune]

holy

yeah monsoon season is officially starting, next few days will probably get lots of rain

[dusty rune]

lots of smashed cars due to trees and roofs gone

like imagine chilling at home, look out the window and you see your car gone

smashed to pieces by a giant tree

[sturdy dune]

yeah thats wild

[jaunty compass]

It's a dual core but it does have 16 gigs of ram and a dedicated gpu

[full fossil]

lotr gollum

it's a bad game with bad performance

looks bad too

[graceful burrow]

Forsaken

[full fossil]

Forspoken?

[graceful burrow]

Yeah sorry

Didn't hear about bad perf with that but I did hear it was just heavy to run in general

And the game sucks

[full fossil]

It’s all of these things yes

[neon mesa]

jack of all trades in the worst possible way

[surreal sentinel]

Is there something going on in the US there’s a lot of internet outages right now. Curious if anybody knows.

[graceful burrow]

My internet's been shit but there's a huge event in town and that's normal this time of year where I am

[surreal sentinel]

My dad won’t stop complaining he’s not even 5 miles from me and I have internet. He’s not wrong tho there’s outages all around me and across many parts of the US.

[full fossil]

Ok?

[ashen estuary]

odd. no problems here

[gilded forge]

I'm east coast, no problems here.

[rigid tide]

i cant tell who im sleeping next to SOS

[modest leaf]

Anyone else hide croissants in their full tower?

Intel cpu is perfect baking machine

[rigid tide]

i hide steve harrington

[jaunty compass]

I gotta buy a battery for this Dell laptop

[velvet marsh]

Which one?

[jaunty compass]

Core i7 5500u Dell Inspiron 17

[velvet marsh]

Guessing you already put an ssd in it?

[jaunty compass]

Yeah

I tossed a 180 gig Intel one inside of it

[velvet marsh]

hm is a battery? $30?

[vapid smelt]

2 core 4 thread power house, that has the same TDP rating as the steam deck cpu

[jaunty compass]

Looks like it

[jaunty compass]

It also has a GTX 845m with 2 gigs of gddr5

And the laptop has 16 gigs of ram

It's certainly still usable for older games, emulation, and media/office usage

[velvet marsh]

so does the steam deck lol

[jaunty compass]

And it has a touchscreen, too

[jaunty compass]

.....okay

I already have a steam deck and got this laptop for free so

Cool, I guess

Thanks for telling me something I know already , I guess

[vapid smelt]

is it 1080p?

[jaunty compass]

Yeah

[full fossil]

Lol

[jaunty compass]

Backlit keyboard too

[vapid smelt]

tn i assume?

[jaunty compass]

I'm not sure, it doesn't look like a TN panel

The viewing angles are too good for it to be TN

[full fossil]

That’s def ips

[jaunty compass]

Yeah
The glossy thing over it is just shit

Oh wait I think I just don't have drivers for it yet

[jaunty compass]

Definitely not TN

I'm going to do some thermal testing and repaste it if I have to

[bronze hatch]

where is the keyboard testing data from the labs?

[full fossil]

Being developed

[bronze hatch]

oh

[static veldt]

ngl im gonna try and find a download for all of there stuff and put it into embeddings on openai and see what it makes

[finite cloud]

yeah my second monitor is that and the viewing angles on that are bad

[shy elk]

Im running unactivated Windows 10 enterprise ltsc and it runs better than normal Windows 10

[main quail]

My pc keeps crashing randomly and giving me an error stating “whea_uncorrectable_error” and I looked at my motherboard and a vga light came on can it just be something simple like power supply to the graphics card isn’t enough.

[past egret]

the thingamabob and thingamajig brothers and the doodads

[low rain]

All I have in my house that I can rlly eat easily with braces in my house rn is just ramen

[vapid smelt]

imagine having bad teeth

[low rain]

It’s not that bad 😭

But since I js got braces yesterday it hurts sm

I got braces and then like 1 hour later I had a robotics team meeting 💀💀💀

[vapid smelt]

braces and robotics now your a huge nerd

[low rain]

Also glasses

[pliant karma]

coopa you good?

[vapid smelt]

ofc

[full fossil]

coopa mad? :

[vapid smelt]

mad in love with your mum

[pliant karma]

ahh synacal coopa

[low rain]

💀💀💀

[full fossil]

hmmmmm

[magic kayak]

Just watched Oppenheimer, 11/10

[near nymph]

Let's see if it's the USB that was faulty...

[frozen spindle]

got a quick question for anyone who's bought merch

[graceful burrow]

I have a water bottle and two shirts what's up hoss

[frozen spindle]

how long usually does it take to ship something from their warehouse to the US?, i ordered something on the 22nd, and it was shipped out on the 28th, and it hasn't even shown up in the US Yet

[graceful burrow]

I'd contact support and just be like "hey what's up"
Don't get upset with support agents tho they didn't cause the problem

[frozen spindle]

just curious how long it GENERALLY takes

i have no doubt it'll show up, i was just curious, i can wait

[graceful burrow]

I don't remember mine coming from out of country
It was a while ago so my memory in the shipping aspect isn't the best, sorry

[frozen spindle]

lol, that's ok, thanks though

[near nymph]

Probably abit. I think they use a service to bring it into the USA

then ship it from there kinda what i use sometimes

[jaunty compass]

I repasted the laptop and the thermals are a lot better

[alpine garnet]

anyone knows the things about codec and ffmpeg? Or have used topaz video ai?

Who knows why there's an issue - Some parameter(s) may not be supported by the codec.

[manic torrent]

don't ask to ask

[past kernel]

it can make a massive difference, my thermals have gone down over 10c idle from a repaste i did a couple months ago

[jaunty compass]

Well yeah I know it makes a big difference that's why I repasted it

[frozen spindle]

i got a bizarre question, for many years i have used a second hard drive as the place all my user directories go on windows, and i just got done moving all of my files onto a new drive because the old one was starting to run slow and started clicking sometimes... and i only noticed after moving 1.2tb worth of data that i accidently formatted the new drive as exFat, is there any real world difference in reliability and or access speed between the two formats? or should i reformat it to NTFS

[past kernel]

not sure about the gpu but it probably helped that out too

[past kernel]

got files larger than 4gb? can't do that on FAT based partition tables

[frozen spindle]

you can on exFat

i just moved a 20gb file onto the thing

[past kernel]

oh I see

[frozen spindle]

4gb is a FAT32 limitation

[glossy oracle]

Is there a decent way I can transport my PC in my car even with a hard drive?

[graceful burrow]

Exfat was the solution for the 4gb limitation
Iirc its short for extended FAT

[past kernel]

well, you can get shadow copies on NTFS, and encryption if that's your sorta thing

Other than that, I can't see any theoretical limitations

compared to NTFS at least

[steep girder]

ffmpeg is command line only from what I remember and it might be annoying to wait minutes at a time only to adjust your params everytime you get them wrong :)

But there are gui frontends for it. All I can help w

[spare lintel]

Steam On Linux Usage Spikes To Nearly 2% In July, Larger Marketshare Than Apple macOS.

0.52% jump.

Pretty big deal

[hallow spoke]

Don’t answer to answer

He explained the situation more right under that

[finite cloud]

The Steam Hardware survey happened today and I checked the most used Linux OS and it was SteamOS. Not a big surprise but I thought it was interesting

[spare lintel]

this should be definitely a topic on wan show and 30days on linux once more. to see if improvements are made

[finite cloud]

I don’t know if it needs to be but could be interesting if they talked about it

[limpid hamlet]

sup

[graceful burrow]

Sup

[unreal anchor]

Down

[graceful burrow]

What books you readin

[manic torrent]

no, he didn't. That's not a question.

[hallow spoke]

What is it then

If not a question

[manic torrent]

a question might actually include WHAT parameters were being used

the expected outcome. The actual outcome. And context