public-chat

[steep girder]

Idk depends probably on its energy

[sonic spruce]

3060 ti is $80 and a little bit slower

[steep girder]

Whatever it is, that proton dumps energy into target somehow. If you're talking about a proton colliding with actual nuclei of atoms, it's probably flying fast enough for nothing good to happen lol

[crude jasper]

you said $400

if you have the budget ~ 4060ti is the better card, if you want good price/performance? it is not

[steep girder]

If it has a mass I guess. Or interacts with weak force. If it has mass it's stronk force I'm pretty sure regardless.

[crude jasper]

dunno why you're asking that question if you seemingly know the answer

[vestal folio]

y just nvidia

[polar fern]

👀

[full fossil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/scottthewoz/comments/146jxbg/announcement_in_protest_of_the_new_reddit_api/ another reddit i know is joining the blackout

[polar fern]

Imagine using reddit for real.

[pliant leaf]

oh shit the ally is out

[pliant leaf]

what about this

[steep girder]

There was a post on no stupid questions which literally asked why capitalism isn't considered a national security threat given that some statistic about % americans living paycheck to paycheck lol

[pliant leaf]

how do i answer this without getting political

i'll just say it's the stupidest thing i have read this week

[polar fern]

people who are desperate for a more stable situation may in fact present a national security threat

[crude jasper]

regulatory capitalism is peak economy

[pliant leaf]

back in the day people fed up with society would retreat to cabins in the woods but apparently that's bad now

(rip uncle ted, he got me to enjoy nature more)

[steep girder]

I mean it's not really subjective at least in terms of politics. National security threat is more defense. Policy aside, I imagine everybody wants the maximal protection. You can't call a socio-economic structure or any abstract logical system etc. a national security threat. It doesn't exist.

[polar fern]

Too many cabins in the woods. Too many people are doing that now & the woods are dying, so

[crude jasper]

the woods are dying ?

we plant more than we cut down most of the time ~ if you're referring to it burning? blame local governance

[polar fern]

Society is not the problem. Society has painted it self into a corner, but there is a countertop that we can scoot along to get out of trouble. The real problem is convincing enough people to scoot along the counter to get us out of our current jam.

[steep girder]

Whenever they talk about x ideal or religion being a national security threat, it refers to some group of individuals or at least one it represents. Idk. But the firewall test is: OK, granted somehow it's literally a national security threat... how do you eliminate it?

[crude jasper]

Society is the problem because its so divided

[tardy terrace]

[polar fern]

No, our forests are literally dying. Blocked out by invasive species and lack of care or oversight.

[steep girder]

Society though always expresses some collective of individuals one way or another. The individual must be considered too. Perhaps first and foremost?

[polar fern]

Well, we don’t see merit in the individual because “oh, it’s their fault”

We point fingers just like we complain about traffic, even though we are the traffic

[full fossil]

I deleted my reddit account

[steep girder]

It's that same duality you get from our positive co-algebraic logic or whatever. But consider how still you express sets additionally to elements and cardinality as a result somehow

[polar fern]

@full fossil I don’t understand the appeal of that site but okay

[crude jasper]

troubleshooting

hobby subreddits

[polar fern]

One should never rely on a table supported by no legs for anything important

[steep girder]

When you consider individual, in its essence, it's just a single count of anything from zero. If you say collective, the word expresses always a plurality of that same individual in any context.

In Japan I think they have tables with no legs sometimes. Also no chair at all but like rug or cushion idk. Good choice for circulation 👍

[polar fern]

Well, the fossil fuel industry told us that we are responsible for climate change because of our own personal carbon footprint. Meanwhile Exxon mobile spews literally gigatons of methane into the atmosphere with no one shaming them into using metal straws or fancy canvas reusable shopping bags.

And as George Carlin said “we don’t need to save the planet, the planet isnt going anywhere… we are!”

[steep girder]

The temperatures in general seem to coincide with nothing else we can think of apart from industrial revolution. Which would mean that at least the insanely sharp turn upwards is purely human fault.

[polar fern]

Mhm

And the key word there is “industrial”

[steep girder]

Real global warming concern is the one that wasn't 'happening already all the time whenever we leave ice age'. I agree tbh. Maybe we can make ice age happen so much earlier that we would fck up even that.

[polar fern]

people didn’t start smelting iron with charcoal in their spare time at home.

[steep girder]

Yeah but there's really practical way in the remotest sense where you don't burn things first chemically before having technology to have sustained fusion orb in tentacle like doc ock lol

[polar fern]

No, I mean the industrial revolution was just that - industrial. People didn’t start somehow emitting more carbon in their daily lives. It was the industry responsible for all of that.

[steep girder]

Idk

[polar fern]

The only thing that people contribute directly to climate change in their day-to-day life is actually a combination of private vehicle use and food waste. Everything else is basically negligible.

[steep girder]

Theyre shutting down nuclear and trying to switch to electric motors asap

[polar fern]

yeah, it’s pretty stupid to try to go away from nuclear power while we need a ton of electric to charge all of these batteries

nuclear power is super efficient actually.

[steep girder]

Nuclear doesn't emit greenhouse gasses too really right?

[polar fern]

well mining it does, but that’s with almost anything

[tardy terrace]

it's basically steam & spent fuel

[noble timber]

The only problem is nuclear waste

[steep girder]

Well idk. The waste didn't really cause as many problems as the plant itself tbh lol

Or the waste wasn't stored properly enough and ended up where it shouldn't be

[polar fern]

Nuclear reactors typically run for about 2 years before the fuel rod need to be refurbished with new fuel in traditional fission designs

[steep girder]

Aquifer or body of water is worst

Yeah nowadays the whole waste thing is also kind of a moot point. They've been improving it this whole time since chernobyl lol

[crude jasper]

30% is from buildings & agriculture

[steep girder]

Basically the idea is from what I understand to reuse more of the depleted fuel as much as possible.

[polar fern]

Chernobyl has literally no bearing on current reactor designs at all it’s not even about safety it’s just not efficient enough

Also, Chernobyl was a mark 1 design

[crude jasper]

with current nuclear tech ~ the fuel we have available is adequate until we have fusion energy sustainably

[steep girder]

Nowadays that hundres or thousands of years' decay waste makes up a tiny portion. The rest degrades within like decades I remember. But the cool thing is that the material itself fits into tiny container for entire human lifetime. Think about landfills compared to that lol

Maybe garbage dump problem is more immediate threat than even nuclear waste lol

[crude jasper]

nuclear waste is a non-issue

[polar fern]

There are very few new nuclear plants coming online with up-to-date technology and all of the current safety mechanisms.

[crude jasper]

if you look at how we handle nuclear waste ~ it is FAR safer than any other dangerous byproduct we have

[noble timber]

I want thorium reactors

[crude jasper]

OK

[steep girder]

The one that scares me the most is in my Russian home city of SPB. It's apparently a twin designed RBMK reactor to the Pripyat one lmao.

[crude jasper]

just know that thorium reactors are not practical for every country ~ because that is implying you want to give them weapons grade plutonium

[polar fern]

The best we can do currently are actually used in submarines and aircraft carriers. The primary goal of these reactors is generate high-pressure steam vs directly turning a turbine to create grid power

[steep girder]

They upgraded it throughout its life but one time I was flying through there and the very same day the news said it had a problem and the steam was released with unusual levels of some crap. I mean gave me a bit of a scare lol

[noble timber]

3.6

[steep girder]

?

[polar fern]

It is more expensive to decommission these types of reactors because their facilities take up a large footprint on the land vs the pressure vessel design.

[noble timber]

3.6 roentgen the first reading at chernobly

[steep girder]

I mean the plant somehow remains to this day operational. If it was plant's fault even a large portion of it... why is the other one just fine?

[polar fern]

just like with any technology, it is how you implement it. You can’t just slap a design on everything and have it work - needs to be thought out and fit the problem

[steep girder]

Perhaps it was communist black box styled information approach + maybe the guy was crazy. Either way, he operated it into meltdown. And the whole other cascade of sketchy rumors and sus factors

[polar fern]

And then it has to be operated properly on top of designed correctly

[steep girder]

But what I think it's been mostly since we got to nuclear reactions in general is genuine unintended mistakes (still due to stupidity at some level)

[crude jasper]

russia didn't know how to properly handle nuclear materials for a super long time

[steep girder]

But especially when the gov already has a strong incentive to cover it up, they also do it in the name of science by proceeding as if victims are experiment. Like the guy who got hit with collider beam. Soros funds were involved lol

[steep girder]

Exactly. Nobody did. Nuclear reactions weren't handled in any way on Earth before. Not by terrestrial intelligence

[crude jasper]

America knew far better than russia ~ it was known when russia was handling plutonium with their bare hands and dumping all the waste in random lakes, polluting the surrounding villages

the majority of soviet nuclear knowledge came from spies

[steep girder]

Even just mechanically, I think ionizing radiation is involved only as 'external' factor. DNA damage or change. The mutations get tested against evolution.

[coarse valve]

I thought political drama wasnt allowed here :/

[crude jasper]

this isn't political drama?

[tender geyser]

I don’t see any

[coarse valve]

America and russia isnt geo politics?

[crude jasper]

loooooool

[tender geyser]

It’s not winter time bro

[steep girder]

But the thing is since life on Earth was born, there probably was never a single concentrated nuclear wastepit on the surface of the Earth.

[coarse valve]

Omag thanks 🫡

[steep girder]

So not even just single cell evolved against something like Chernobyl. Most things died. If they didn't die, they barely survived for some reason. Like dogs apparently only because they have a lot of chromosomes or something.

[crude jasper]

natural nuclear reactors are a thing ~ they were just very very rare

also ~ lake Karachay

[steep girder]

Nuclear reactions happen all the time in everyday life. Even stable elements down to hydrogen decay eventually... after some crazy long period of time. But there are so many of those atoms probably happened around perhaps everyone in their lifetime

Uranium was ore close to surface like the rest god knows how long as well

[pliant leaf]

more woods is the answer

[spice sand]

cold fusion lmao

[steep girder]

Uranium ore only seems to become a serious problem from no therat at all basically... only as soon as humans mine it

[neon mesa]

people always point to chernobyl as an argument against nuclear when it's an old and soviet design lel
we have so many nuclear reactors in ships even that's how safe they are

[pliant leaf]

i mean so does mercury

[pliant leaf]

exactly, the main drawback people should get from chernobyl is that russians are fucking stupid

[steep girder]

That's not even the main argument today. Idkwtf it is exactly to be honest. It's 'bad for the environment' because it's not 'green' energy like solar and wind

[neon mesa]

nuclear waste disposal is not even a big problem

[steep girder]

But nuclear they're kind of not even mentioning at all lmao. Just getting rid of it. But again, real sht: Pickering plant in ON, Canada is already in the middle of plan to decomission it

[neon mesa]

we recycle a lot of our waste and storing one that are truly spent just involves a concrete coffin

[pliant leaf]

another thing people gloss over is that the VAST majority of civilian nuclear reactors currently operational is built to also provide materials for weapons

[steep girder]

I think a core is already shut down. By like 2025 or some crap they want to shutdown more or all of it. That's 2 years tbh and a nuclear power plant. The only other things we have here I've seen is hydro and wind farm in western ontario. Probably coal because good ol' coal

[pliant leaf]

when in reality reactors powerful enough to power parts of entire cities could be the size of a small car, controlled remotely and with so little fissile material that incidents are physically impossible

[steep girder]

They can be I guess. There's already a large unaccounted for amount missing just globally. It means that unknown forces already have enough.

[pliant leaf]

fr if you guys want a glimpse into what the future could look like if we stopped being dumb check out small modular reactors

[manic torrent]

You mean "could be used"

[pliant leaf]

it's what we should be building on fucking factory lines rather than giving startups money for fucking fusion

[steep girder]

I mean idk what's the diff between 1 dr evil and multiple? So far clearly nobody was madlad enough to threaten or commit actual terrorism with nuke. Not even US or Russia lol.

Might as well keep enriching because others already have nukes including unrecognized bodies. Not even known

[tardy terrace]

It's called Mutually Assured Destruction

[pliant leaf]

because nuclear material is extremely easy to track, thankfully. there are unaccounted for warheads that were lost in the 50s but they were most likely just destroyed

[pliant leaf]

he was talking about non-state actors

[tardy terrace]

ah, missed that bit

[steep girder]

Right. I mean from the moon I guess you could threaten whole planet. Or vice versa. But idk whole planet is that political? That's where I feel mutual interests and true collective as a whole human race comes in.

[manic torrent]

still more or less the same. it's an action that will cease your... whatever you are.

because any organisation that uses a nuke will be given no quarter by anyone.

[pliant leaf]

i mean it would make you extremely unpopular, sure

[manic torrent]

no, it would end any support from anyone.

[crude jasper]

aluminum-graphene is more practical, use it for storing energy created from a larger fission or fusion reactor

[pliant leaf]

and tbh if i was a terrorist with intentions of mass murder nukes would be too much of a hassle when i could realistically grow anthrax spores or make fentanyl gas

[steep girder]

It's important to consider though how a lot of it should have went missing from people who 'legally' were the only ones who had clearance by any state to possess it. When it went 'missing' and became 'unaccounted for', it probably means that somebody stole it illegally. So how many of those non-state actors didn't demonstrate that they were willing to break a law one way or another?

[atomic vessel]

yeah any kind of nuke usage from any country would tank support, even superpowers like the USA

[manic torrent]

I mean even a terrorist organisation.

[steep girder]

Unless idk in your country enriching and transporting uranium is completely unregulated lol

[manic torrent]

there are always lines. There's a line between 'I do illegal shit' and "I literally do arms trade in nuclear weapons"

[atomic vessel]

oh yeah definitely

[manic torrent]

because there are rules - implicit and explicit rules. You use a nuke, you break the rules, then you don't get to play the game anymore.

[steep girder]

Well today idk. US and Russia clearly have enough nukes. Maybe it's good if either one of them makes a new missle and payload from time to time to replace old rusty one. Safer that way.

[lofty flower]

Good morning.

[steep girder]

But the goal is nuclear fuel for fission as a final step before fusion or something as ballin more or less.

[manic torrent]

I'm talking about using them. having them is different

[steep girder]

The problem isn't settling with nuclear but some say turning off all nuclear plants in the hopes of wind and solar being enough... for all tesla 2030 plan...

[manic torrent]

that is the stupidest thing ever.

In fact, the ONLY way to actually combat global warming is MORE nuclear.

[stray apex]

Yes
Nuclear winter time

[steep girder]

Or it becomes way less affordable. Tbh I think that's the real goal as with everything else.

[crude jasper]

they do replace them, because they have a shelf life

[atomic vessel]

there probably will be a point in time where we have to shut down nuclear plants, but that is not now, or 20 years later - likely very far into the future

[manic torrent]

there is no 'real goal' - it's not that sort of conspiracy

[manic torrent]

In that future they will simply be obsolete

[crude jasper]

no? if you mean fission plants ~ sure. but they have their uses. fusion is super large

fission reactors are super small, and RTGs

[manic torrent]

but also 'nuclear' is a big umbrella. Likely a lot of them will be thorium breeder reactors

[atomic vessel]

yeah when solar or other kinds of renewable energies become viable enough i expect them to shut down

[atomic vessel]

fission yeah, fusion could stay around

[manic torrent]

ehhhh, not really. but certainly current gen 'normal' fission reactors, absolutely.

but we could use thorium reactors powered with waste from existing reactors for many many years.

[crude jasper]

solar power uses an abysmal amount of raw resources compared to nuclear

[crude jasper]

by the time dwindling nuclear fuel for fission is an issue ~ fission will be obsolete for large power production

[steep girder]

It's nuclear winter time if and when we and only we finally cause one. There was never a nuclear winter in the history of this planet. Again, definitely not since even the most primitive life on Earth. In the beginning during the formation, sure maybe. Also the surface was lava, etc, etc. Even then, anything seriously heavy was already likely mantle deep or further inside Earth if you're looking at a more or less cooler distinctive crust.

[pliant leaf]

as i always say, solar is perfect for a single house or a small community

[atomic vessel]

fission's definitely going to go out if we ever get fusion to work or solar/etc becomes viable enough, the problem is when

[crude jasper]

again, fission will always exist for small usecases

[manic torrent]

.... that's not why you use the waste products.

[crude jasper]

not my point

[atomic vessel]

solar's use case right now seems to be exactly that, small communities and buildings

[steep girder]

There were similar winters tbh and a lot of sht died but life ultimately survived the way it is today regardless. It was volcanic eruptions big enough to darken whole planet for years. What's funny is that it looks as though we could have easily helped things survive in the most recent ones. Our agricultural abilities...

[pliant leaf]

because people are needlessly scared of it, stuff like https://www.nuscalepower.com/en/products should be everywhere if we have any hope to stop emissions

and especially if we want carbon capture projects to work

[steep girder]

Well you also gotta define 'success' and 'failure'. I mean we already changed the atmosphere significantly. We can reduce co2 or greenhouse gases but to which level?

[pliant leaf]

i mean as far as we can go, once you take it out co2 can be used for a lot of stuff, my favourite application would be synthetic fuels

basically turning it back into fuel for applications that can't be electrified

[steep girder]

Well what's fuel? It's something you get energy from for what

Literally anything else as universally as possible. Can easily be converted for versatility. Idk that's my understanding of it. So why chemical reaction at all? Why burn anything?

Nuclear fission is held together with orders more energy. You literally deplete less of the very same molecules.

And the amount of any possible waste byproduct just by mass is about that much smaller.

Again, soda can they say lol. Eight billion soda cans already tbh.

But coal...

[steep girder]

Well name me a power plant that isn't ultimately outputting all of the energy we use as electricity? After that, I can't think of many other things besides motors. But power plants actually tend to involve the same general design of motors and then convert it once more to electricity

[pliant leaf]

that's.. more complicated than how you put it

[steep girder]

Energy usually implies electricity right? Isn't that weird tbh lol

[pliant leaf]

..not quite at least in terms of physics, energy is the capacity to do work

[steep girder]

And most of the time it seems less efficient than just locomotion. Even nuclear plant I think its ultimately just steam rising lmao. The nuclear energy just heats it up

[pliant leaf]

we usually think of it in terms of electricity because that is a way to transfer energy, but energy is everything from fire to the potential gravitational energy of an object as it gets further away from a center of mass

so the methods to store energy are essentially endless, the problem is of course size and mass

kerosene is a lot easier to turn into energy needed to make a plane fly than a nuclear reactor

[steep girder]

That's not quite true in our locality of physics I don't think

Honestly it's beyond what I know lol

The official way to describe this would probably be minimally thermodynamics in general

Is electricity even the best lol

[dull tapir]

return to monkey

and easy win

[steep girder]

Yes. Return to monkey. Force of gravity only

At least you're fighting something always going down. Then like fire is nice to have but not even monkey tamed it

[dull tapir]

ted kaczynski style

monkeys now can craft spears

[steep girder]

We used fire for a long time and apparently sparked quartz by leveraging that electric current it produces naturally

But we didn't realize that there was current. It was just spark at the end. Some thing spark because you shake. Other thing spark because it is flintium and rockium hitting eachother hard enough

[dull tapir]

yes becaus spark was only noticeable to human eye at the time

people did not understand current

[steep girder]

There's something additional there which today we realized was a fourth gravity fundamental force. Sadly, we couldn't figure out how to minimally describe it because everything looks like up and down lol

Perhaps for this reason we asserted that the lands and oceans are flat. Because there's an up and down. Turns out there isn't.

[dull tapir]

there is only up and down from our perspective yes

but no general up and down

well unless you talk to flat earther

[steep girder]

Well the up and down aren't even the entire story clearly. There's also the other two 'space dimensions' going left/right and forward/back respectively

That's actually what we understand as up/down to this day. It's one of the three 'axes' perpendicular to the others which isn't sideways or forwards.

[dull tapir]

true if you look at determinism cause and effect linear timeline you also have space in time so that adds another dimension while past and future exist in human perspective not necessarily in universal unless you involve quantum mechanics but that is more of possibility or probability tool rather than coexistence

[dull tapir]

so far yes as in 3d space movement based on axis of coordinates

i personally never really bought observable state of the universe based on consciousness but i read there are some experiments with particles supporting it

[patent pine]

existence of consciousness has no rational explanation

[steep girder]

Consciousness is a scientifically proven fact.

[patent pine]

there is no reason in terms of evolution that awareness should exist

[steep girder]

What's awareness. Also information. Why doesn't it exist? But isn't something actually happening physically?

[patent pine]

for most my life i thought consciousness just a side effect of big intelligence, but i don't believe that anymore

[crude jasper]

crazy? I was crazy once, they locked me in a room, a rubber room l, a rubber room with rats, rats make me crazy

[steep girder]

Thermodynamics. But survival itself as an individual 'specimen' which must produce more specimens shouldn't exist. Yet it does.

[crude jasper]

yes there is ~ Awareness lets us think critically, which in turn increases our survival rate

it lets us make complicated decisions

[patent pine]

yes but why do we perceive at all

[crude jasper]

there are numerous other animals you can consider to have "consciousness"

[patent pine]

why are we aware

[crude jasper]

we cannot answer that yet

[patent pine]

maybe, maybe not, we don't know, because we aren't them

[crude jasper]

considering those animals can make complicated decisions, just like us, it is not very hard to deduce that they are capable of it

[patent pine]

why is this universe not just an algorithm, why are we here to perceive it

[crude jasper]

because something wanted it to exist, and the universe wanted us to exist

[steep girder]

It's weird because none of it matters until you seemingly look from the eyes of a human. There is a classical observer.

[patent pine]

i like to think, we are the universe trying to understand itself

but i am a human stupid

[misty scarab]

At 18:55 on 2023 - 06 -11, an Earthquake with a maxiumum intensity of 5- (Magnitude 6.4) has occured in the Hokkido region

[steep girder]

Are you at center?

[patent pine]

not yet, i don't think i'll ever be

excuse me while i go watch 60 iq anime

[full fossil]

tomorrow no more reddit

[steep girder]

There exists good reddit and bad. Like ama phd math answering questions

Vs not even phd humanities and tantric dance theory

[dull tapir]

i believe in consciousness but not in free will

i believe our psyche is more spectating than controlling

imo we make choices based on determinism like cause and effect biology responds and chemistry reacts

i believe genetics are hardware and information gathered from environment is software

[dull tapir]

like all of reddit for a couple of days

[patent pine]

that is probably the most rational viewpoint as of now

[dull tapir]

or only third party api

[dull tapir]

exactly as you said consciousness is not rational so we are not able to empirically prove it

we can notice our consciousness

[full fossil]

not a couppe days

[dull tapir]

but we are not able to tell if we have free will

[full fossil]

some are going forever

[dull tapir]

subreddits right not whole reddit from 12 to 14

[patent pine]

we know that we are aware, but we also know that it makes no sense to be aware

[dull tapir]

yes i am self aware right now but that does not make me actually have free will

[drifting lotus]

Anarchy chess will open unmoderated

[dull tapir]

i may think i have free will but my body could react like cause and effect

[patent pine]

free will is an entirely different issue

[dull tapir]

i believe whole universe is just a sandbox of atoms

[patent pine]

the fact that we're aware at all doesn't make sense

[steep girder]

You yourself just said consciousness as in a thing facing in one of two directions from something else ('physically real' in this case) looking at the other. You know which one is which.

[dull tapir]

moving in cause and effect

[drifting lotus]

oh this argument is ongoing, all teens have this philosophical argument atleast once in every discord server, multiple times usually , it leads nowhere lol

[dull tapir]

exactly why does organic matter make us aware why are we not just linear algorithm

[dull tapir]

i think consciousness is just ilussion from our point of view

[patent pine]

I just love being equated to an angsty teen, my life is complete

[dull tapir]

we are still slaves to our bodies right you damage your eye you will not see

[drifting lotus]

lol

[dull tapir]

have you watched "altered carbon"

[dull tapir]

i miss being angsty teen

[patent pine]

The fact that we perceive at all is the problem

I ask kitty this but she just beg for more treats

[dull tapir]

i guess we should perceive or gather with our sense but experiencing it is weird

eyes are like cameras and ears are like microphones

it is like spectating a bot in CS

you experience it but do not control it

idk at this point i believe in determinism

hormones make you happy

organic body with information from environment make you make decisions

[patent pine]

we re-create our experience with technology

[dull tapir]

based on primal instincts

[barren kindle]

kk

[dull tapir]

yes but is robot conscious or just works in cause and effect

[dull tapir]

you should ask in tech

[manic torrent]

what's the difference

[barren kindle]

kk

[dull tapir]

consciousness and free will are completely different

[manic torrent]

Are they?

[patent pine]

we will never know if an AI is consious like we are

[dull tapir]

you are aware of ourselves and experience our bodies why do we not just react in cause and effect which i believe we do but why do we experience it

[patent pine]

we design them to behave like consciousness

[dull tapir]

yes you can be conscious without free will

free will is power to bend laws of universe with your will consciousness is just experience what your senses allow you

[patent pine]

free will as a concept doesnt even make sense

[dull tapir]

just because you experience something does not mean you have impact

[patent pine]

revan are you suffering from depression

[manic torrent]

yeah see you don't know what you're talking about at all

[dull tapir]

i suffer from ocd

[dull tapir]

i do i have degree in neuroscience

[manic torrent]

the mere act of 'thinking' is making changes in the world.

[dull tapir]

i but only bachelor

[dull tapir]

this makes no sense

we are atoms reacting in cause and effect read determinism

[manic torrent]

yeah I'm calling bullshit on your neuroscience degree mate.

[patent pine]

merely existing makes everything change

[dull tapir]

blocking you again you act like complete ignorant dick with no knowledge

[patent pine]

hardwarebob that's harsh dude

[manic torrent]

yeah nah

[dull tapir]

he always acts like total dick

[manic torrent]

I mean, he's fundamentally not understanding things that are core to ... understanding how brains work.

[dull tapir]

this is why most of the time i have him blocked and half of other people do too

he is engineer that has no understanding of biochemistry and acts smart

[patent pine]

i feel like he's just confused and looking for meaning

[manic torrent]

oh he is, but he also thinks he knows things, but very clearly doesn't

[dull tapir]

his thoughts are not coherent enough to understand difference between free will and consciousness

consciousness is experience and free will has impact with choices

there is a huge difference

[manic torrent]

you don't understand what 'impact' is.

[dull tapir]

huberman is great neuroscientist who talks about differences

[steep girder]

No. To be coherent about this stuff and explain it properly, you need to search up like positive co-algebraic logic and dualities or something. There actually have been discovered for a while partially ordered systems etc etc

[dull tapir]

i am just saying he is ignorant and rude

we are just simply talking here

[manic torrent]

on the contrary, I am highly educated and rude

[dull tapir]

sharing thoughts like polite adults

[crude jasper]

what

[manic torrent]

being loudly wrong.

[manic torrent]

yeah, he's showing he fundamentally understands neither

[dull tapir]

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/free-will-is-real/

[crude jasper]

your knowledge certainly doesn't reflect that

[dull tapir]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S105381001200061X

[dull tapir]

tell me the difference between free will and consciousness

not my fault if you are not able to comprehend it

[crude jasper]

i can comprehend it, but you clearly cannot

[dull tapir]

i repeated myself multiple times

and all you say is "what" with no clarification at all

fine i will block you too

if you want to troll go ahead someone else

[crude jasper]

That is not what conciousness is

[manic torrent]

"it's everyone else with the problem that's why I blocked them all"

[crude jasper]

Right so your first decision is to block whoever disagrees with you, very nice way of thinking and judgement 👍

[dull tapir]

imagine not being able to understand difference between consciousness and free will

[crude jasper]

i can understand the difference between the two, but the two are interlinked

you however cannot understand it

[dull tapir]

self awareness, consciousness, free will are as different as possible, plausible, probable and you are here who is not able to tell difference between "your" and "you are"

this just shows your lack of education

when you lack basic grammatical knowledge

[manic torrent]

oh man, you have ALL the answers to the fundamental problem of humanity. Why aren't you more widely published......

[dull tapir]

it is pathetic

[patent pine]

there is no point to this conflict

[crude jasper]

i have used your... Twice? and i used it correctly, both times.

[dull tapir]

bob always starts fights in public chat i see

[patent pine]

cease to exist after death, so why do we not focus on solving aging

[dull tapir]

always when i open public chat bob calls someone "idiot"

[tardy terrace]

There are a lot of idiots

[manic torrent]

oh, I'm quite happy about dying, because I won't have to deal with this

[crude jasper]

Yet you said i have a lack of education for using "your" twice... Correctly?

[dull tapir]

this is why i block them

[manic torrent]

and yet, you'll notice that the people who do so don't command much respect in the community. I wonder why that is.

[patent pine]

i feel like i'd rather suffer idiots than not exist at all

[dull tapir]

why bother talking to a wall

[steep girder]

I mean hw bob built an operational scaled down crane

[dull tapir]

my nephew builds with legos

[crude jasper]

dunno this guy just seems like he has no life experience and is just using trigger words to sound smart

[dull tapir]

just because you are engineer does not make you expert in neurology

[crude jasper]

are you?

don't think so bud

[manic torrent]

I never said I was an expert, but what you're talking about isn't neurology, it goes to philosphy and basic thermodynamics and physics.

[dull tapir]

i always see him boasting with his crane

for over a year now

[crude jasper]

parroting information does not make you smart ~ interpreting it and explaining it in your own way, accurately and easily is smart

[manic torrent]

I mean, I've built many other things - an 18 year marriage, over a decade of foster care for children, a 5 year old adopted son, a car, a lot of software, blah blah. I mean, I also got awarded a medal for my service, but you know, if you want me to list all of my accomplishments it might take a while.

[crude jasper]

what is bob short for ~ robert? or is it just bob

[manic torrent]

it's just bob

[patent pine]

do you all think consciousness vanish after death?

[steep girder]

No

[dull tapir]

yes i believe it is only linked to your organic matter or body

[crude jasper]

Dunno

[manic torrent]

I would say I know it as much as you can know anything. There may be things that remain, but consciousness is not one of them

[dull tapir]

because if you suffer high damage to the brain you lose part of it

[crude jasper]

from a pure physics standpoint? yes. but who knows

[dull tapir]

losing ability to see is getting damage to the eyes

same with brain if you suffer part of your cognitive behavior you will not be able to perform those actions

[manic torrent]

'death' is much more vague of a concept the longer and deeper you look into it 😄

[crude jasper]

it's theorized that the afterlife people see is a release of hormones which triggers past memories and new ones ~ but who knows

[steep girder]

If you cut off all 5 senses from your conscious brain this instant, would you have any way to keep track of time? But how come it happened afterwards?

[manic torrent]

there's more than 5 senses btw

[dull tapir]

you would probably be still conscious just mad due to detachment from reality

[steep girder]

If you're conscious you're still seeing and feeling just pitch black but as long as you're awake you'll still 'sense' nothing as the senses you had now gone

[patent pine]

this is a good point. what if it all just goes dark permanently when we die

[manic torrent]

google 'trapped in' syndrome.

[steep girder]

Then you fall asleep and consider how you'll probably still dream with your senses.

[dull tapir]

in coma you are conscious just not self aware

[manic torrent]

nothing that anyone has ever observed makes this seem even remotely likely.

[dull tapir]

your brain has ability for consciousness you are just not awake

it is like having pc on but no disk for windows

[manic torrent]

that's famously why they say people in a coma are unconscious

[dull tapir]

your organic body still runs

[patent pine]

how so? we have no evidence anything other than that happens

[crude jasper]

exactly

it's like saying something has to be that instead of this ~ but there's no proof for either of them

[manic torrent]

everything that provides your consciousness is in your flesh sack. no flesh sack full of water, meat, and electricity, no conciousness.

[dull tapir]

if you lose ability to see not matter how much will you have to see you will not see because your organic body will not allow you

i think this is best example

you are limited to framework of your organic body

[manic torrent]

yeah.... that's not as true as you'd think

[patent pine]

i am trying to help solve aging for these reasons. my parents tell me we reincarnate but i get upset with them 😂

[dull tapir]

speed run life

[crude jasper]

let them believe what they want

[dull tapir]

hh

[crude jasper]

if someone is living in fantasy or dreaming of it and it makes them happy with no harm to others or themselves, why take it away from them?

[steep girder]

Yes but who said either of them? That's the thing. There can be at least seemingly the other 8 billionish possible ways to 'look at physics from' in the same fashion. Since you have no way to prove to 'anybody else' that you have this subjective experience inside your human body, you equally can't assert that the rest can't exist or have anything making them less likely to exist.

So you can't prove that if you truly are this difficult to deal with 'soul' anything that says the rest don't exist as well.

[manic torrent]

the only way to look at physics without imagining up things that don't exist and have not been observed is that you die, and your consciousness ends. The end.

[crude jasper]

that's dumbed down to theoreticals and arguably, those other people exist because you can speak, see, taste, and feel them. the afterlife? you can't test it in any way, nor can you see or feel it

[manic torrent]

tasty tasty people

[crude jasper]

salty

it's like saying a theory is wrong because its a theory

[manic torrent]

an established theory is something proven reasonably by science. A "theory" in the traditional sense is a concept.

[steep girder]

Theories can be wrong. They can assert different amounts of things of nil scientific significance.

[crude jasper]

can

[manic torrent]

If you're going to say that an established scientific theory is wrong, ok great, but you best come with evidence.

[dull tapir]

theories and hypothesis are not empirically proven facts

[steep girder]

My whole point is today we have places where we know there should be a mathematical solution relating two different physics laws I guess. So minimally there is proof that something is occurring but it's restricted to some insanely complex mathematical identity.

[manic torrent]

yeah like the theory of gravity

[dull tapir]

theories have math supporting them but not empirically proven through observable experiments

[crude jasper]

just because something is not wrong, does not mean it is right

and vice versa

[manic torrent]

I mean, this is also absolute garbage

[crude jasper]

LOOOOOOOL

[patent pine]

None of this shit matters, we either solve aging, or we cease to exist

[crude jasper]

that's a rather sad way of thought

[manic torrent]

eh, we're going to cease to exist either way.

[analog quest]

how do you update the bios on a ryzen 3rd gen mb wrong chat

[dull tapir]

i doubt anything would fully solve aging due to natural disasters and all even if you would death would still happen

[manic torrent]

step 1: download the bios
step 2: install the bios

[dull tapir]

unless you would do what they do in altered carbon swap bodies

[manic torrent]

.... that solves aging, not death. JFC

[dull tapir]

organic matter will just not last forever

[analog quest]

but it doesn’t start up with the wrong bios right?

[dull tapir]

even with genetic engineering

[manic torrent]

step 0: get a different CPU

[patent pine]

Fuck your ryzen 3rd gen mb, help solve aging or gtfo

[analog quest]

perfect

[manic torrent]

aging is irrelevant. Energy and climate change is far more important.

[crude jasper]

who are you to say that we can do that? are you going to swap the brain?

same concept with teleportation. are you not just cloning yourself and deleting the original?

[manic torrent]

assuming it's even possible, it's a loooooooong way off

[patent pine]

Once you die, the universe ceases to exist. Nothing is more important than your survival

[manic torrent]

this is how I know you are young 😄

[crude jasper]

i guess quantum teleportation would solve this issue, but that is even farther away

[crude jasper]

at best we'll have stem cell therapy and advanced diets to prolong lifespan

[dull tapir]

do you believe in observable universe

[manic torrent]

my life and death has effectively 0 effect on the universe.

[dull tapir]

that your consciousness creates particles

[crude jasper]

So whats the point in having kids?

[patent pine]

consciousness gone effectively means the universe is gone

[manic torrent]

matter can neither be created nor destroyed, JFC, again with the basic lack of understanding

[dull tapir]

i believe schdrodinger experiment was dumb because cat exists regardless if we see it or not we perceiving cat alive or dad has no impact on the universe

[patent pine]

evolutionary impulses

[steep girder]

That's the satanic way of looking at it.

[manic torrent]

Thanks Nietzsche

[crude jasper]

.....yeah no

[dull tapir]

it is gone to you i agree

[vapid zephyr]

Yeah yes, that's literally how all mammals do

[dull tapir]

i also do not care about universe if i am dead then universe it is dead to me but universe exists regardless of me

[manic torrent]

once again, you fundamentally don't understand the concept of the experiment.

[dull tapir]

i do not believe our perception has any impact on the universe

[manic torrent]

it absolutely does - not meaningful really, but absolutely it does.

[crude jasper]

not gonna bother trying to get someone to understand why people have kids ~ it is not just an evolutionary impulse

[patent pine]

It doesn't matter. If you can't perceive reality then effectively reality doesn't exist

[vapid zephyr]

So you don't know huh

[dull tapir]

only to you

[patent pine]

so what?

[dull tapir]

reality keeps existing ot the universe itself

[crude jasper]

not completely ~ but neither do you.

[patent pine]

no shit, but what difference does it make

[dull tapir]

i agree it is not important to you subjective but objectively keeps existing

[manic torrent]

oh boy! we're only a hop skip and a jump away from moral relativism 😄

[crude jasper]

neither of us are, A. not in the position to currently have a kid or B. do not have a kid to understand

[dull tapir]

you have to separate your framework from framework of the universe

[patent pine]

I wish moral relativism wasn't a thing

[dull tapir]

i believe materialism

[manic torrent]

haha, I mean, you're basically making the case for it right here.

[dull tapir]

determinism and nihilism

[patent pine]

it's hard to disagree with it

[steep girder]

Those are not the opposites of eachother

[dull tapir]

it is like a venn diagram they correlate

[vapid zephyr]

If you think mammals aren't driven by instinct to reproduce then idk man, apparently they want to reproduce because magic and fairy sparkles

[crude jasper]

From what you've been saying ~ it just seems like you haven't tried to have gratitude for the things around y ou

[manic torrent]

it really isn't.

[crude jasper]

Not saying they aren't. but Humans? us having children is NOT just an evolutionary impulse

[patent pine]

gratitude is an incredibly healthy thing

[vapid zephyr]

Yet more or less everybody disagrees with you

[dull tapir]

i agree mammals are completely primal instict driven especially young animals how else would bees make honey it is in their genetic they have no rationality yet

[manic torrent]

fundamentally, humans have prospered as a direct result of our ability to form society.

[dull tapir]

how would young deer know to drink milk

[patent pine]

do they really? i dont get that sense

[dull tapir]

or how would young bear know to eat fish

it is all based on their primal instincts

[manic torrent]

you claim to have a degree in neuroscience and then say bullshit like this?

[patent pine]

humans are an anomaly in the universe

[dull tapir]

i believe only in our solar system

[crude jasper]

yeah dunno what this guys on about

[manic torrent]

ehhhh, not really

[dull tapir]

drake equation shows probability of alien life

[patent pine]

at least from our planet, there arent any animals even remotely close to our level of intelligence

[vapid zephyr]

That's.. not really driven by instinct, their mother teaches them

There definitely are birds that are healthy but can't fly, there definitely are bears that have nothing going on with them but can't catch fish, that's not just instinct

[dull tapir]

does she tell them

[vapid zephyr]

The mother does absolutely teach them, yes

[dull tapir]

hunger is an instinct

[manic torrent]

yeah but it's not really an anomaly as such - realistically it would seem inevitable given the right conditions.

[dull tapir]

so deers without their mother are incapable of drinking milk

[vapid zephyr]

That doesn't mean that hunger automatically teaches you to be a bear

[dull tapir]

no but it is major factor

[patent pine]

maybe but we have a sample size of one, so we can't say that for sure

[crude jasper]

OK so apparently according to Revan i should be able to catch a fish from a river with my bare hands or accurately throw a spear at ones, because my ancestors did that for their entire lives

[timid meadow]

There are plenty that are close

[manic torrent]

human babies can swim. They lose the ability to swim shortly after.

[dull tapir]

you have instinct to eat before you develop mental capacity to think

[crude jasper]

Yes there is?

[dull tapir]

sure mother teaches them and guides them

[crude jasper]

intelligence =/= being smart or wise

[vapid zephyr]

I mean there's English majors that don't know the meaning of 'im-' bruh

[dull tapir]

human babies are most useless in surival from any other animal

[manic torrent]

ehhhh, I mean, this isn't entirely wrong. you DO (generally) have the ability to estimate targets and throw a spear

[manic torrent]

absolutely wrong

[crude jasper]

was just using that as an example and i could cite others, but sure

[manic torrent]

human CHILDREN, yes. babies are fine.

[patent pine]

this is a d&d argument that plagues me, intelligence and smarts not the same thing

intelligence vs knowledge

[crude jasper]

because they aren't the same thing?

[vapid zephyr]

The door's over there. 👋

[dull tapir]

life is like a dnd game everything you do is a roll of dice

everything is based on chance and probability

[manic torrent]

and you rolled a natural 1 on charisma

[patent pine]

is entire reality a random chance

[vapid zephyr]

Bruh lmao

[dull tapir]

no it is all cause and effect

[patent pine]

1 charisma 18 str

[crude jasper]

MAYBE a 2 on intelligence

[dull tapir]

you are but a pawn

[patent pine]

it's funny, cuz IRL 18 charisma would be the best

[dull tapir]

karma is not a real concept but it is real in cause and effect if you steal you will most likely be arrested due to law

[manic torrent]

if everything is deterministic, you don't have free will. You can't have it both ways my friend.

[crude jasper]

entirely depends on current environment

[dull tapir]

like in a fallout where you can tell the villain to kill himself

[patent pine]

it's deterministic or not, but nobody really knows

[manic torrent]

also if everything is deterministic you could extrapolate the entire of he universe from a single piece of matter - say, a piece of fairy cake.

[dull tapir]

we have no proof

[steep girder]

Well the whole idea is that officially, they're saying that 'the random stuff' foaming as a fabric of our physical universe only looks like it pops up out of nowhere by chance. IRL there's some physics beyond that more likely

[patent pine]

is fallout 4 any good

[dull tapir]

but it is most probable

[manic torrent]

it's not, and can't be.

[dull tapir]

story no gameplay yes

fallout new vegas is best for story

[crude jasper]

i think lynx and revan have just been saying trigger words consistently... Dimmskii is smart but definitely is making it hard to understand for some people

[patent pine]

you make a good summary of this pointless chat

dimmskii is most intelligent here

[crude jasper]

who are you to say that

[steep girder]

Nah

[patent pine]

based on how my drunken stupor cannot comprehend what he says

[crude jasper]

this conversation has not nearly covered everyones entire spectrum of knowledge

[dull tapir]

well he does provide most consistent and rational arguments

[coarse valve]

🫡

[patent pine]

i just love how much fun this has been

[crude jasper]

from a life experience standpoint? that would be bob, dimmskii then me. knowledge? dunno

[dull tapir]

it is pointless talking determinism on discord always all hell breaks loose

[manic torrent]

because it's stupid

[patent pine]

aging will be solved, or it will just be endless discord idiots blathering until sun burns out

[coarse valve]

NCS is dropping bangers this yr

[manic torrent]

aging doesn't matter. aging matters to YOU, but not to humans generally.

humans could live 'forever', but if we can't solve our energy and climate problems it's entirely irrelevant.

[crude jasper]

my only problem with aging is that i will always want to experience more

[coarse valve]

Why do we even want to live forever?

[crude jasper]

but who knows, i might be fulfilled later in life

[coarse valve]

Impractical

[patent pine]

humans keep dying of age issues, inefficient transfer of knowledge thru garbage education, keep telling me this is optimal

[crude jasper]

entirely up to the person

[unkempt widget]

i want to live until i feel satisfied

[vapid zephyr]

I mean yeah, but research on anti-aging will continue anyways and will probably be solved at the same time climate change will be tackled, kinda useful to have more than three smart people on this planet

[coarse valve]

True enough

[manic torrent]

oh, I'm not saying it's pointless and won't help anything, but it's not essential.

[coarse valve]

You have to do what satisfies you that is why life is limited

[patent pine]

you live, you die of cancer or alzheimers, universe cease to exist

[crude jasper]

also because anti-aging does have its practical uses, like keeping intelligent minds alive for longer

[manic torrent]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8156fJrSz8

[unkempt widget]

i'd rather do what satifies me now than later

[patent pine]

parents grandparents keep telling me the deep state is why cancer exists

[manic torrent]

again, your perspective is fundamentally skewed.

[patent pine]

deep state made aids too

[patent pine]

how so, do you want to exist or not?

[vapid zephyr]

Would make sense why you spout so much nonsense bruh

[manic torrent]

my existence is neither here nor there, and I'm fine with that. You are clearly not 🙂

[patent pine]

cease to exist, universe cease to exist, nothing else matters

[unkempt widget]

damn pub chat is so deep today

[manic torrent]

I have many things that I have achieved in my life, and if I died today, it would have been a life well lived.

[patent pine]

i love spouting so much nonsense, it makes my life complete

[patent pine]

darkness and nothingness, it wouldn't matter, because your awareness wouldn't be there anymore

[manic torrent]

I helped a very sick young child get better and become a much healthier and happier version of himself.

[vapid zephyr]

Only looks that way, like two or three people are are just saying psychological dumb shit that people will forget about within 12 hours

[unkempt widget]

okay besides them

[crude jasper]

i don't forget much

[patent pine]

when you die, universe ceases to exist

[crude jasper]

very large attention span and advanced conversations are usually what i remember the most

[manic torrent]

yep. but it wasn't there before either. the thing is, even when I'm alive my entire existence is so insignificant as to be pointless. And because nothing matters - everything matters. It's the same thing.

[vapid zephyr]

Neither do I, but even I give myself a week at best

[manic torrent]

I forget most things.

[steep girder]

But if you and the universe case to exist, that would mean they 'stop' existing together inside of some grander order. You can't even truly say the universe ends without implying it already began.

[patent pine]

hardwarebob, this may seem profound, but why do you not try to extend your existence rather than cope with this nonsense

[unkempt widget]

we forget most of the stuff we've done

[crude jasper]

i just have a +1 intelligence buff i guess, i'll remember something from a very minor meaningless conversation and make that information matter in the current one

[manic torrent]

it doesn't seem even REMOTELY profound 😄

[unkempt widget]

good for you 👍

[manic torrent]

people live, they die. That's how it goes. Either you can make peace with it, or you can live your life terrified of death.

[patent pine]

yes, we can't describe it in our language, because we think linearity

[unkempt widget]

are you living, or are you really alive

[dull tapir]

they mean it ceases to exist for them within their framework not framework of objective universe only subjective

[crude jasper]

lynx like everything you've been saying has just been portraying that you are a person who is upset with how their life is going to end, and that in itself is pitiful

[patent pine]

wonderful, come to peace with death, romanticize it

[dull tapir]

you have to separate human frameworks of consciousness with frameworks of objective reality

[unkempt widget]

i don't think about death, especially not my own

[manic torrent]

your existence (and mine, and everyones) is of absolutely no relevance to the wider universe. None. Everything you have ever done OR will do, adds up to nothing.

[dull tapir]

i would prefer to plan my funeral

[steep girder]

Kind of. But the reality is that any classical observation seems to be bound by the positive logic.

[patent pine]

i will never be happy with how my life will end, because i know it will end with the existence of consciousness

[dull tapir]

it would give me closure

[crude jasper]

yeah that's your way of thinking albeit a rather sad one. you have no right to tell us our way of thinking is wrong

[patent pine]

that's not relevant. point is, our conscious experience ends with our death, and so does the universe

[manic torrent]

except that I acknowledge that I am part of a whole. You do not.

[unkempt widget]

if i die, i die, that's not the point

[patent pine]

yes i don't, you have a right to believe in whatever you desire, steven greer aliens and reincarnation or not

[manic torrent]

My contributions to humanity, to my family, live on.

[dull tapir]

universe does to you not universe in general

[vapid zephyr]

Because you are but a waste of oxygen within humanity and humanity is nothing but a speck of dust within the ten septillion planets we have in our observable universe.

Thinking that the universe just stops existing just because a piece of breathing carbon dies is such a disturbingly narcissistic thought, it's hilarious

[dull tapir]

from your perspective your lens is subjective of what you perceive universe as but to universe you are nothing but atoms

[manic torrent]

also the concept of even "dying" is ehhhhh

you're just being recycled.

[crude jasper]

you seemingly have issues with how your parents believe reincarnation is real, all because you think it isn't. it's a rather narcissistic way of thinking

[dull tapir]

well universe dies to them in their framework or from their perspective but from perspective of universe they are nothing but few atoms

[vapid zephyr]

If I die a sudden death, I will make sure to try to make a cool pose so future generations may find my bones underground roughly 2000 years from now. They won't be able to understand it, but that's not my problem

[unkempt widget]

i want to be myself, reincarnation does not matter for me

[patent pine]

Ah, apparently I'm a narcissist, the man who was molested as child

[manic torrent]

in this context , yes.

[crude jasper]

"I want to argue that my parents are wrong for living in their own fantasy that cannot be currently disproven, instead of letting them be happy with how they are, because their way of thinking in that manner does not harm themselves, or others" - Lynx apparently

[dull tapir]

you do not owe anything to do universe but you can understand universe keeps on existing

[vapid zephyr]

In this context? Yeah.
And going into the defensive by going the 'I have tragic past'-route, only confirms what I said lmao

[pine haven]

Is discord search broken again?

[patent pine]

when i say universe ceases to exist, i mean that once your consiousness is gone, there is nothing, so the universe is effectively gone

it's not a hard concept

[vapid zephyr]

Assuming people will understand what you think without you explicity expressing what you thought is kinda cringe ngl

[patent pine]

I am cringe

[dull tapir]

why are you people not understanding it each other it is funny it makes total sense

[vapid zephyr]

You are, thanks for confirming it

[crude jasper]

Aw i got warshipped ):

[unkempt widget]

i understand it, i just disagree with it

[dull tapir]

you ahve to think in sense of frameworks hh

if i die universe is dead in my framework but from framework of universe it keeps on existing

[crude jasper]

what you're effectively saying though, is that other people do not matter, and in the event you were about to die, taking others out with you would not matter.

[steep girder]

You expressing it from one side is literally what allows you to perceive the reverse interpretations by others

[dull tapir]

you argue over such unnecessary thing which has simple explanation

[vapid zephyr]

Irrelevant, if you do not express what you actually mean, communication doesn't work, I don't care if like three people got it because they have a similarly weird mindset

[dull tapir]

it is not problem of mindset it is communication problem

[patent pine]

"taking others out" didn't even enter my mind

[crude jasper]

i do understand what he's saying, but that does not make him right, nor rational

[patent pine]

It's just the understanding that death = non-existence and effectively the end of the universe

[dull tapir]

you guys are not communicating correctly

this is the problem

[crude jasper]

doesn't matter. your train of thought is nonsensical and that example is still applicable

[dull tapir]

kazuma and lynx are both right just communicate in wrong ways

[vapid zephyr]

What

[crude jasper]

No

[unkempt widget]

i would agree with lynx if it wasn't completely wrong

[vapid zephyr]

We're completely and utterly disagreeing with each other, what are you talking about

[dull tapir]

no you are not you are disagreeing with frameworks of perspectives

[patent pine]

I don't feel like you made any sense

Would you like a cheeseburger

[unkempt widget]

sir, this is a wendy's

[dull tapir]

lynx is right if they die universe ceases to exist to them in their own framework right and oyu are saying that universe in its framework does not care about few atoms dying

idk what you guys are arguing about you just use wrong terminologies

[vapid zephyr]

Wendy's sells cheeseburgers

[unkempt widget]

that's the joke

[vapid zephyr]

I don't do jokes

[dull tapir]

do the big smoke order

[unkempt widget]

when someone says something completely off topic or very deep, a person might respond with "sir, this is a wendy's" to point it out

[dull tapir]

if i die i believe universe is dead to me everything is gone in my framework but i understand that in framework of universe it keeps on existing and does not care about me

[manic torrent]

which is the very definition of narcissism

[steep girder]

Guys but again they're proving that there is not yet a limit to 'more physics' found. In literally fkn Switzerland. They are finding additional laws closer and closer to big bang.

[patent pine]

I agree with this nonsensical plz lets offer these mens a wendys and just get on with our lives

[unkempt widget]

basically your viewpoint is if you die, the universe no longer exists

[patent pine]

because according to HARDWARE BOB I am a narcissism and ripe to become a wife beater plz save me

[dull tapir]

they are improving or addint additional knowledge to current laws of physics yes but they are not breaking previous ones

[unkempt widget]

when the fuck did he say you were gonna become a wife beater?

[dull tapir]

why are you guys refusing to see multiple perspective but fixate on egoistical single perspectives

it is so simple to understand

[patent pine]

Exactly 3 minutes ago were you not paying attention

[manic torrent]

I am the things I do and say - others do not know my thoughts. That is the existence I have in the world.

[dull tapir]

there is more drama here than on telemundo

[vapid zephyr]

Because people already dismantled that logic and expressed their disagreement bruh

[patent pine]

how old are you hardware bob, did you have a 286 PC

[manic torrent]

literally yes

[unkempt widget]

exactly 3 minutes ago, he called you a narcissist

[dull tapir]

their are multiple coexisting frameworks

[vapid zephyr]

Nah, don't give me that BS, thx br

[dull tapir]

you are very ignorant

[unkempt widget]

i might stop caring about the universe once i die, because i literally cannot care, but it definitely still exists

[patent pine]

how can i become a bonified narcissist, do i need a mirror to look at

[dull tapir]

it is very easy to see

you both talk to a wall

[unkempt widget]

he called you a narcissist, he didn't say you are gonna be a wife beater

[dull tapir]

several people are typing now

[frosty tendon]

whats going on im reading chat and stuff

[vapid zephyr]

Nah, I'm just not gonna call a perspective a 'framework', what bullshit is this

[patent pine]

is it better to be a wife beater or a narcissist

[dull tapir]

because you clearly have no idea what framework is

[vapid zephyr]

Name me a relevant reason why I would want to know that

[unkempt widget]

what kind of question is that???

[patent pine]

i just love you linus tech tips folks

[unkempt widget]

yeah i know, it's a laptop

[dull tapir]

because perspective has attached personal bias which framework does not

[vapid zephyr]

You are the only one that used the words 'wife beater' in the first place, stop trying to gaslight people into thinking Bob said that

[dull tapir]

no it is scientific observable box

dimensions are frameworks

[patent pine]

i didn't mean to gaslight anyone named bob into anything, my grandpa is bob i love bob

[unkempt widget]

why should i answer that question, it's completely irrelevant, and you're just completely misrepresenting what hardwarebob said

[vapid zephyr]

Some people also call a flat earth 'science', yet nobody relevant believes in it

[dull tapir]

i will just leave no one here is willing to have adult rational conversation

[dull tapir]

go study to university before you speak

[unkempt widget]

to have an* adultly* rational conversation

[frosty tendon]

yo who did you pay to design your pfp it looks hella clean

[unkempt widget]

thx bro, i commissioned it off of random twitter user from more than 2 years ago

[dull tapir]

why waste time with degenerates on discord

[frosty tendon]

awesome 👍

[unkempt widget]

?????

[vapid zephyr]

Lmfao
As if university is gonna change my mind on that, you're being childish

[dull tapir]

same people who used to burn witches

because they believed in witches

[vapid zephyr]

• What a flat earther would say as well

[zenith cradle]

I have a 5600G CPU, is it realistic that i will bottleneck my CPU in any way with a 6600xt? 🙂

[unkempt widget]

?????

this is so entertaining

[frosty tendon]

i wouldn't think so

[vapid zephyr]

Your 6600 XT will be fine

[unkempt widget]

revan never change

[steep girder]

They thought they were burning some mixture of like 5 elements being fire, water, earth, ether and some other crap.

[dull tapir]

i bet half of people here are still teenagers

[dull tapir]

yes because they believed in nonsense and thought it made sense without closely looking and observing

[unkempt widget]

i'm glad to see how revan has not changed, he's still entertaining af

[frosty tendon]

i mean that's discords target demographic like if youre really arguing with them it shows your level of maturity

[vapid zephyr]

Oh nah, it's closer to 70% of it
The guy that talks shit with you is literally still a kid lmao

[dull tapir]

i am not arguing i am discussing

[frosty tendon]

youre arguing

[dull tapir]

i am trying to discuss science and you come up with memes

[unkempt widget]

what, calling someone a degenerate and ignorant is discussing now?

[frosty tendon]

can we stop arguing guys what even is this about

[dull tapir]

you just showed yourself as immature

[frosty tendon]

okay but what happened tho

[unkempt widget]

is implying that everyone around you is uneducated mature?

[coarse valve]

Im going to get some popcorn this is getting interesting 🙂

[dull tapir]

you tell me

[frosty tendon]

bring me some too

[frosty tendon]

idk i just came into chat

[coarse valve]

🍿

[dull tapir]

this is worse than 4chan

[knotty fiber]

Yo

[unkempt widget]

revan is so fucking funny it's insane

[dull tapir]

blocking is easiest solution to deal with children

[frosty tendon]

salutations my brither

[knotty fiber]

How is everyone

[dull tapir]

what does that even mean

it is not an official term

[unkempt widget]

oh yeah revan already blocked me before

[frosty tendon]

most people are chill but there's a bit of a petty argument going on

[dull tapir]

no each time i open public chat all hell is loose

[knotty fiber]

Lol ok

[unkempt widget]

it's so petty it's actually entertaining

i need to distract myself from life

[dull tapir]

just ignorant people calling other ignorant people idiot

and it goes back and forth

[frosty tendon]

yeah just dont keep sending images because that fuels it

[dull tapir]

like watching idiocracy

[unkempt widget]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-good-garfield-hey-good-looking-hey-handsome-looking-in-the-mirror-gif-20294451

[coarse valve]

🍿 🥤

[dull tapir]

i tried helping people here finding common ground and understanding each other

[unkempt widget]

yeah, by calling them degenerates?

[dull tapir]

and i get called a moron

[frosty tendon]

my man thank you

[unkempt widget]

i'm trying to fuel it

[patent pine]

idiocracy is the best movie in modern era

[steep girder]

Nobody actually thinks youre a moron dude lol

[unkempt widget]

helping understanding but calls the entire chat degenerates and a bunch of teenagers

[knotty fiber]

react ⭕️ if you have a Radeon GPU, seriously I’m curious

[dull tapir]

i would disagree some clearly do

[unkempt widget]

seems about right

[frosty tendon]

that's essentially cyberbullying come on you're better than that

[patent pine]

what is wrong with you guys

[dull tapir]

or just use insults as defense mechanism

[dull tapir]

this is best philosophy of modern world

[coarse valve]

🥤 🍿 you also have a set sitback and enjoy

[unkempt widget]

he's calling us names, can i not point out what he does

[knotty fiber]

So is x yes or no lol

[patent pine]

come eat goldfish with me

[coarse valve]

No

[dull tapir]

we should all vote albania

[knotty fiber]

Lol

[patent pine]

what an absolute waste of spacew

[steep girder]

Honestly idiocracy is scary in that it's not unimaginable outcome irl lol. Imagine having seed vault but you're too stoops to water it with anything but sand and gatorade

[dull tapir]

gatorade and cheetos

[past egret]

but it has electrolytes

[dull tapir]

a fancy meal

[vapid zephyr]

I love when people barely turning 18 start acting like an adult and fall flat on their nose, Aki says that you 'better not be become a guy like that' lol

[tribal wyvern]

I need to pull an LTT and watercool my bed

[frosty tendon]

albanian gpus will take over the market in 2024 as that year will be the year of linux smart doorknobs

[steep girder]

But why electrolytes?!

[tribal wyvern]

summer fucking sucks even with an AC unit and you cannot change my mind

[patent pine]

Your message has been CENSORED. oh I just love this

[dull tapir]

in every argument i usually just post idiocracy meme when they are put through a test

[steep girder]

||Because it's what the plants need||

[unkempt widget]

LOL

[dull tapir]

fall is the best

[patent pine]

canada gave me ketchup popcorn, valve gave me censorship

[dull tapir]

it is a spoiler

canada dominated new york

[patent pine]

plz russia come take over new york i am tired of this bullshit

[dull tapir]

popcorn with cheese is based

[steep girder]

Lol so whole country finally got population bigger than NYC. What's sad is I gotta double check that. I think likely but not sure

[tribal wyvern]

agreed

[steep girder]

Canada's entire population is like just California lmfao

[dull tapir]

"escape from new york"

[tribal wyvern]

I have heat intolerance so an AC is not just nice to have, it's a basic necessity

[coarse valve]

1.4billion people is enough i think 💭

[dull tapir]

same nothing worse than humid heat

[unkempt widget]

i tihnk spring is the best

[patent pine]

canada you may like ketchup but you wont defeat putin

[tribal wyvern]

any heat is fucking awful

[dull tapir]

i rather freeze

[unkempt widget]

especially if it's right after a really hot day in march or very early spring

[tribal wyvern]

22c is my comfy temperature

[dull tapir]

17c

[unkempt widget]

i've been outside all day recently at like 33C+

[tribal wyvern]

no idea how anyone in the UK can survive without AC lol

[steep girder]

California's population yeah. I could see how literally the ground sinking because of just humans farming is too much.

[dull tapir]

00k

[tribal wyvern]

it's basically 30c rn

[coarse valve]

Me in 37C ☕

[patent pine]

i am an ignorant american, i love french fries and cheese burgers

[peak granite]

Hello!
Never knew LTT had a discod derver dammm!

[dull tapir]

pay the ambulance

[unkempt widget]

i fell asleep at 4am two nights in a row while going outside

[steep girder]

In Ontario's free healthcare, you pay for ambulance ride too

[unkempt widget]

pair that up with noisy friends in hotels, and the shittiest sleep i've had in my entire life, and you get my mentailty rn

[dull tapir]

here we never pay dentist or doctor but they automatically cut our wages for universal healthcare as a tax

[steep girder]

I guess maybe technically ambulance ride is transportation to free health care. Not covered.

[unkempt widget]

actually last night's sleep was fine, well at this point it's today's sleep

[tribal wyvern]

envious for girls rn because they can actually wear very loose clothing in summer

[dull tapir]

do you tip ambulance driver

[manic torrent]

.... you can wear whatever you want

[tribal wyvern]

and no I won't wear shorts I have intense hatred of anything touching my legs

[dull tapir]

it is 2077 and you have to watch an ad before you can enter ambulance

[timid meadow]

Wear whatever you want as long as your not showing the world your package (unless you want to i dont judge, cops might tho)

[tribal wyvern]

without being judged by my conservative parents

[unkempt widget]

because i kept on waking up and falling asleep every 10 minutes

[steep girder]

Right. Here in ON to be honest you get billed for ambulance but you don't have to pay they explained it to me. I don't even know wtf that means lol. It literally makes no diff.

[manic torrent]

hey that's their problem

[unkempt widget]

while feeling like barfing and having a horrible headache

[tribal wyvern]

yeah but I am trying to respect their rules

[dull tapir]

interesting yes it varies from place to place here we are not able to pay anything at hospital it is all free but if you work you automatically have to pay for medical insurance

[patent pine]

ltt folks, you make your mans a billionaire, plz no epstein connection

[tribal wyvern]

kinda funny they don't give a shit about me wearing a literal pride shirt but anything feminine is too far

[steep girder]

At least not without its consent or when it notices

[dull tapir]

what about mcafee

[tribal wyvern]

where's the logic 💀

[timid meadow]

Theres no connection between epstien and offing himself either

[patent pine]

he is an adventurer, a courageous individual

[dull tapir]

mcafee for president

[patent pine]

aka you like little children

[unkempt widget]

and then finally getting up and walking to a random place to have breakfast at 10am, while under the 35C sun and getting a heatstroke on the way

[timid meadow]

How the actual fuck is that what you took from that statement?

[dull tapir]

clinton approves

[unkempt widget]

omg shadows please stop

[coarse valve]

XD

I was waiting for someone to mention it 🤣

[steep girder]

Well no. Socialized healthcare here actually prohibits a lot of it as a private practice. So basically you have no choice but to go to hostpital for certain things. Everybody pays for it through taxes yeah. But the healthcare itself... honestly I'm scared to show up to hospital unless I'm like dying from gunshot wounds

[crude jasper]

america pays more than alot of euro countries in taxes for healthcare per capita

it just lines the pockets of the rich instead of actually getting us healthcare

[steep girder]

But ultimately, it's been horrible and now is collapsing. They're even already talking about permitting some privatized healthcare

[dull tapir]

yes you do not pay directly for services but you pay through taxes

[patent pine]

i am a huge mess

[coarse valve]

[unkempt widget]

i look away for one second and i see this

[patent pine]

would you like some non-existence french fries

[steep girder]

Sometimes the taxes don't all get spent properly to say the least. Or you let a number of people who don't pay any taxes at all far greater perhaps than everybody who actually contributes the same full coverage

[dull tapir]

american fries

[steep girder]

In which case I think definitely you're already expecting more health care than you have lol.

[dull tapir]

this is exactly what it is where does government apply them to

[coarse valve]

🗿

[patent pine]

if george bush taught me one thing, it's that the US govt doesnt have fuck all in terms of UFO technology

[dull tapir]

here through taxes all homeless get social support and social apartments

[steep girder]

Wait what lol. The government should spend the taxes they claim to be for healthcare on healthcare? You'd hope

[dull tapir]

yes but they do not

[patent pine]

i am a useless pile of garbage

[timid meadow]

Its called being human. Youll get used to it

[dull tapir]

we do not have healthcare tax we have single tax and they decide where they spend them on behind the scenes they are supposed to spend them on healthcare but they do not also depends if you need any medical help or not it is like insurance

[dull tapir]

what about bob lazar

[patent pine]

Please refrain from this kind of behavior in the future. Thank you, yes i just love the internet and how free speech it is

[steep girder]

Yeah sounds about right. Then everytime things get worse, just say it's because we're not spending enough. Raise tax.

[patent pine]

bob lazar i wanna see some proof

[dull tapir]

yes they waste the tax they should spend it on and raise tax and even waste this

[patent pine]

he is an intersting man

i won't dismiss him

but i want to see something more

[dull tapir]

in my county tax money went to get road fixed and my neighbor took all the asphalt and did asphalt around his house and did not fix holes in the road where tax money was directed at

[patent pine]

what country are you in, serbia

[dull tapir]

slovenia

xd

[steep girder]

Lol and Russia same story. It's something about slavs and bad roads lmao

[patent pine]

my grandparents are from there

i feel like, maybe nato is full of shit

[dull tapir]

this is why you need lada

[steep girder]

Yes. Everything you drive over becomes road

[patent pine]

russia repelling offensive

[dull tapir]

our roads are 50 shades of gray

[patent pine]

50 shades gray only women like this

why do womens like this 50 shades of put banana up asshole

[steep girder]

65536 colors of RGB

[dull tapir]

pride roads

road go br br

[misty scarab]

Watch Dogs Legion
2560x1440p
5800X3D, 6950XT, 2x32 GB, 3200 MHz
All settings Ultra, Ultra RayTracing, FedelityFX off

[patent pine]

kgb russia they better take back control of donbas

[dull tapir]

off to gulag

[patent pine]

what do you need all that ray tracing for

[steep girder]

3k frames rendered total though lol

[dull tapir]

komrad

watch dogs legion is such a mess

of a game

[steep girder]

Because it's watchdogs. It runs at 999fps 3 second then everybody's heads disappear and you see just eyeballs for some reason

Then crash. Ubisoft please fix

[pliant karma]

Yea I didn’t really like it but ehh I own it so as the other watch dog games

[dull tapir]

cyberpunk is really good now

[patent pine]

what do you folks thing

are you pro nato or pro russia

[dull tapir]

sure it is worth checking it out

[steep girder]

I mean compared to 0 day release when they compiled it to crash on all AMDs 100% certainty lol

[dull tapir]

both are equal bs

[steep girder]

Literally like half players crash. The others sometimes don't if they're lucky

[pliant karma]

Og watch dog I liked, 2 ok but sorta leaned to the hipster vibe

[patent pine]

you are nihilistic

[dull tapir]

wd2 had good gameplay and wd1 had good atmosphere

[patent pine]

revan you just die and cease to exist

[dull tapir]

i am

[pliant karma]

I learned to know where everything is in San Fran through WD2 at least be similar to the map

[dull tapir]

on the next episode

[dull tapir]

i like the zodiac killer dlc

[patent pine]

yes san francisco win you next round, make entire world whole again

[patent pine]

you are a serial killer then

[dull tapir]

not yet

[patent pine]

do i need to call the police

revan we need to resolve human suffering

[dull tapir]

can we

[pliant karma]

Side note I was never into car racing until recently and now I’m just keeping up with 24 hour Le Man because why not. Though Ferrari 51 might be taking it.

[patent pine]

will you help or be useless garbage

[dull tapir]

thanos vibe

[patent pine]

i have a giant chin, will you supor me or not

[dull tapir]

thanos has rake chin

[patent pine]

austria is a tiny pile of crap country

[dull tapir]

i live by the border of austria

[patent pine]

are you polish

[dull tapir]

no slovenian

[patent pine]

so you're hungarian

hungary is traitor to EU

[dull tapir]

actually half italian

if you break spaghetti my grandma rolls in her grave

[pliant karma]

Oh god no I do not do that

[patent pine]

GOD DAMMIT plz augustus caesar plz come and take over the world

[dull tapir]

call caligula

[patent pine]

Caligula is a gross surely you would prefer augustus

[dull tapir]

augustus and aurelius

[dull tapir]

as bad as nero and tiberius

[patent pine]

augustus, lead european civilization into bronze age

[novel tendon]

Is 5ghz all core on 7600x okay with a cheap cooler?

[patent pine]

5ghz can suck my big schlong

[novel tendon]

Don't lie you don't even have one

[patent pine]

yes this is true i'm trying to prove a point you dick

[novel tendon]

Im sorry
I'm not native English speaker

[patent pine]

what is your native language

[novel tendon]

So what point did you wanna prove?

[novel tendon]

Persian

[patent pine]

you will die, and you will cease to exist

[patent pine]

constantinople

[dull tapir]

holy roman empire sucked bad

reboot

[patent pine]

the roman empire was something magnificient

revan are you a turkish man

[dull tapir]

roman yes but not holy roman empire

[dull tapir]

first you asked me if i am polish now you ask me if i am turkish

[patent pine]

yes, exactly