public-chat

[full fossil]

Kinda stupid, just make a SOC. Guess they didn't want to create a seperate manufacturing process for their Vision Pro headset processors

[woven haven]

Realistically I see this for 2k-3k

[full fossil]

I see this for 3-5k

[tired glade]

5k+

[full fossil]

If this think is below 2k I will go fucking mad

[pliant leaf]

persona??? holy shit apple invented pedophiles

[gilded forge]

vision pro?? goofy ass name

[tired glade]

Had you just joined,they did way worse thing earlier

[tulip tusk]

You got better names?

[pliant leaf]

wym

[tulip tusk]

tbh i dont

[full fossil]

Apple AR

[polar fern]

Incredibly impressive.

[tired glade]

Share number wirh phone touching

[tulip tusk]

hmmm...

[heavy grove]

naah, doesnt resonate

[gilded forge]

iReality

[polar fern]

@tired glade “now… touchhh…”

[versed cipher]

Look Pro

[pliant leaf]

ok there we go, this is the shit that sells

[tulip tusk]

somehow sounds even goofier

[polar fern]

IReal

[heavy grove]

iLife

[full fossil]

I usually hate apple but holy fucking shit. If this thing can actually do what apple is saying this is fucking mad

[tired glade]

Oh,no discord

[woven haven]

They should've done something with the "i" thing they've done from the start and just make it "eye" in front instead

[gilded forge]

remember the DS's marketing.. "touching is good"

[tulip tusk]

sounds interesting

[full fossil]

this is the most innovative thing they've done in decades if it's legit

[pliant leaf]

why would discord ever integrate, you can't game on this

[polar fern]

@full fossil it’s one of those things. A whole new path.

[tired glade]

Make game on iPad for ar

[heavy grove]

everything is Pro now

[full fossil]

This is where all of their innovative energy has been going

[tired glade]

You can play on it

[full fossil]

if it works, worth it

[heavy grove]

Apple AR15

[tulip tusk]

UNITY

[versed cipher]

except for u noob

[tired glade]

Unity

[heavy grove]

[gilded forge]

unless it's air

[rough birch]

Hello people

[polar fern]

Again - this whole keynote is in AR.

[pliant leaf]

yeah, apple store games. call me when i can play cyberpunk from my windows pc on it

[tired glade]

Oh new store

[rough birch]

New store?

[woven haven]

I know day one those hand and arm controls are gonna be buggy, I see a few updates before it's actually solid

[tired glade]

Does cyberpunk support vr?

[gilded forge]

steam link

[pliant leaf]

this is not a vr headset

i mean a virtual desktop

[tired glade]

Does game even has vr support?

[full fossil]

no way eye scanning

[pliant leaf]

it does not but that was not my point

[heavy grove]

goggle has VPN.

[tulip tusk]

this is goofy

[tired glade]

Oh,it has

[pliant leaf]

lol i am positively sure that apple would block steam

[tired glade]

Cloud still exist

[pliant leaf]

lol 10 seconds of input latency

[gilded forge]

this thing is gonna grab so much personal and biometric data. but don't worry, it Apple. they care about you... right..?

[tired glade]

10 sec?

[pliant leaf]

cloud gaming is trash

[tired glade]

Headset will scan your room

[gilded forge]

anything is possible via sideloading

[pliant leaf]

there's your answer

[heavy grove]

this will give a particular industry some spice lmao

[tired glade]

Oh,no, Apple has most ar tech

[vapid crown]

Price is $3499

[heavy grove]

5000 pattents

[tulip tusk]

fr?

[tired glade]

3.5k is good

[gilded forge]

the FUCK

[vapid crown]

Marques tweeted

[ivory marsh]

💀

[tired glade]

Oh, next year

[tulip tusk]

aight, it also just got mentioned

[full fossil]

Holy shit

[heavy grove]

lmao

[vapid crown]

Yeah the stream is a bit behind

[gilded forge]

they're putting so much into the metaverse.. which is anyway basically dead already

[full fossil]

$3499 is pretty good, I fucking want it

[polar fern]

That is an incredibly reasonable price for the capabilities of this first generation breakthrough device.

[tired glade]

This can fail and never arrives

[full fossil]

I just will never be able to afford it

[tulip tusk]

for me its just not worth it

[rare slate]

Time to start saving my allowance and mowing some lawns

[woven haven]

They made a whole new os for it so they're definitely coming out with it

[slate tulip]

good idea. I need my lawn mowed, I'll give you $5

[vapid crown]

That’s a lot of lawns

[gilded forge]

most people can't justify paying this much for something of this manner.

[heavy grove]

that goggles cost as much as my gaming PC

[tired glade]

January-June are reviews,so it doesn't matter right now

[heavy grove]

insane fam

[polar fern]

@gilded forge it’s new. Prices will come down.

[molten tartan]

Time to used some some of the money i used to pay off my mortgage

[tired glade]

There won't be this lvl of ar headset for years,wirh 5k pattens

[polar fern]

we have been waiting for this for 30 years.

[heavy grove]

ikr. thats the distopian part.

[graceful burrow]

It's apple no they won't lmao
And the second hand market won't sell them for more than 150 below msrp nomatter the condition because it's apple

[tired glade]

plane girl

[full fossil]

By the time I'll be able to afford this I will be 25

And it'll be old tech

[hard thicket]

i missed the event can someone sumaries new software and the vision pro

[polar fern]

They will have a 3 tier lineup next gen.

[granite tinsel]

wow that sure is a first-gen product

[tulip tusk]

its over

[tired glade]

Had apple ever dropped price on new model iPhone with release?

[heavy grove]

exited? yes... money? nope

[granite tinsel]

i like the idea of it having super sharp picture quality and being comfortable

but this is definitely not for like 99% of us

[tulip tusk]

Next Keynote: iPhone 15

[granite tinsel]

this is 100% an enterprise device--pro actually means something here

[tired glade]

I will get it,but in a year or two after release

[polar fern]

I can imagine many businesses and educational institutions purchasing large quantities of these

Wow, almost 1,000,000 people watching on YouTube.

[rare slate]

I want an AR/VR experience with Gordon Ramsey standing next to me judging my food

[tired glade]

Last year it is as 2 million

[tulip tusk]

I watched via the website

[polar fern]

this is just on Apple’s channel. There are other YouTube channels also streaming the event

[tulip tusk]

probably bc of the products released last year

Like the M2 MacBook Air

[full fossil]

Probably uni's and private schools.

[polar fern]

Again, this is just on one YouTube channel out of several

[tired glade]

Ecosystems isn't hard to enter, just need to jailbreak headset

[polar fern]

I am 100% impressed, and I wish I could afford one.

[tulip tusk]

what a school

Best my school has are 7th gen i5 PCs

[full fossil]

Cause your parents pay alot lol

Rich parents

[polar fern]

it’s almost like the pandemic prompted this to be released. If only it had been out in 2020.

[tulip tusk]

wth

[pliant leaf]

you're a troll

metaverse wasn't mentioned ONCE

[tulip tusk]

I hardly believe this will have to do anything with the metaverse

[fossil apex]

Hey anyone would be so kind to help me ? I'm trying to fix my right click on the desktop that is just loading instead of showing the options

[polar fern]

Right click?

[tulip tusk]

welp

cya guys

[polar fern]

See ya. Stay safe.

[fossil apex]

Ye I want to open the Nvidia control panel for intel but it just loads the options, before just giving up

[full fossil]

I wish I had rich parents, I got a single mum so shits hard. Appreciate her everyday but I do wish that I could experience the finer things in life like pc gaming

[calm swan]

wwdc

was trash except for vision pro

[full fossil]

Thank you, I hope that by focusing on my education that maybe in the future I could make decent money and escape poverty ❤️

[slate igloo]

I watched WWDC 2023

I cried when I seen the price of the Apple Vision Pro

[polar fern]

@full fossil ❤️

Lost my dad to cancer after multiple doctors turned him away/downplayed his condition.

Still angry about it.

[steady hearth]

omg

they brought the intro back I came

also vision pro 3.5 k L lmfao

[vapid smelt]

I got covid! no work for a whole week!

[vapid smelt]

How the fuck do you down play cancer

[calm swan]

fucking dumbass doctors, im so sorry to hear this

[full fossil]

Damn, my sympathy goes out to you. My dad died alone from nemonia in 2021. At that point I hadn't seen him in 9 years after my mum divorced him because his schizophrenia made him a danger to me and my siblings. I only have vague memories of him but my mum still says he was a wonderful man and refuses to ever fall in love with another man again

[long briar]

when it's earlier stages, doctors tend to avoid the responsibility of expensive treatments

it's a really stupid system

it's not unheard of either

[hollow knot]

I love $4700 apple vr headsets

[polar fern]

🤷‍♂️😞

[south stone]

Is the apple vision pro a meme? I don't even wanna ask the price, but its probably enough to put 20 ... 42 inch tvs around your house.

[full fossil]

It's $3499

[south stone]

How much is a 42 inch tv? 100 bucks? Edit: Okay 150.

[full fossil]

Bro what

[south stone]

150 x 20 tv = $3000.

[full fossil]

A decent 4k 42 inch TV is £500 lol

[vapid smelt]

But they won't be hdr tvs unlike the apple vr

[stray apex]

A good tv is more like 1k minimum

[polar fern]

It’s not the price that matters here. It’s “holy fuck!” tech. And you can’t take your tv with you & … there’s literally a whole bunch of new shit it can do & enable

[stray apex]

A high end tv is even more

[vapid smelt]

It's now $550 for a 55 inch mini led 4k tv

[polar fern]

& it’s not “vr”

[stray apex]

That's pretty good

[south stone]

Well... enjoy the goggles i guess. In any other country 4k is basically not standard and, again, by the price it'll reach, people can put up to 20-30 "Full HD" 42 inch displays around their house. So yeah...

[vapid smelt]

I'm disappointed in the 2 hour battery life it's claimed to have

[stray apex]

Pretty much what quest 2 gets

But it has an M2, so it should be quite a lot more powerful

[polar fern]

if all you took away from this keynote was that you can watch TV with it then you weren’t paying attention

And I will repeat that this entire keynote was actually using this new AR technology

[vapid smelt]

Rtx 3060moible performance or better

[stray apex]

Don't need raytracing when irl's physics engine does it for you

[south stone]

3d waifus gonna be a real thing now.

[fossil frost]

on stuff that supports the gpu

[pliant leaf]

yeah but that's not the point

[polar fern]

@south stone no judging

[pliant leaf]

pay very close attention at how they worded it, it's not an AR headset or VR, it's not a bigscreen, it's a spatial computer

which i know it's just marketing, but it's a summary of their vision for this thing

[stray apex]

It's AR

[hollow knot]

least goofy apple product

[midnight elk]

How much is this thing supposed to cost?

[stray apex]

3.5k

[pliant leaf]

3400 dollars

[hollow knot]

$4700 cad

[south stone]

Use your own money as you please... Lol

[midnight elk]

NO FUCKING WAY

[south stone]

Lol ^

[pliant leaf]

i mean compared to other devices at that price point in the industry..

[hollow knot]

ikr its like 2 quest pros

[stray apex]

It's basically a top tier ar/VR headset with a Mac strapped to it

[pliant leaf]

not VR

[stray apex]

It does VR just fine

[hollow knot]

ok but the resolution of the screens are crazy

[pliant leaf]

it doesn't

[stray apex]

They have a full facial interface

It'll be great for vr

[hollow knot]

how does one pack 8.3 million pixels into the size of a postage stamp

[pliant leaf]

i'm pretty sure they are the best screens barring some extremely niche ones like the XTAL or something

[midnight elk]

It could cook my food and do my job for me and it wouldn't be enough

[pliant leaf]

you won't be able to play games with it, so no

it's not a vr headset

[stray apex]

VR is not just games?

And why would there not be games for it

0% chance beat saber isn't ported to it

[pliant leaf]

VR has no business applications, you won't make the metaverse on it

[pliant leaf]

no controllers???

[stray apex]

They also very obviously advertised entertainment uses

[pliant leaf]

hand tracking is not something you want

[stray apex]

Did you miss the whole fucking Disney portion

[pliant leaf]

yeah, movies

[hollow knot]

imagine playing with their new spatial audio. this thing literally takes a 3d scan of your room to make sure the sound is right 💀

[pliant leaf]

not really i turned it off, it's slop

[deep niche]

my sleep schedule is screwed i went to bet at 1 am and woke up a 5 am rn

yesterday i wnt to bed at 3 pm

[stray apex]

Didn't even watch the presentation and trying to argue about it LMAO
Fuck off

[lethal copper]

I was kinda interested in mac pro since it seems I could install gaming GPU there but then I remembered its closed system and they mentioned the cost

[pliant leaf]

no just the disney part, i hate them

[pliant leaf]

yeah no, you won't be able to shove a 4090 in there

apple and nvidia still hate eachother because they're both abusive and manipulative companies

but while nvidia roofies your drink, beats you up in a dark alleyway and then forces itself on you, apple takes you on dates and manipulates you into falling in love with them

[lethal copper]

I'm an AMD user though...

[pliant leaf]

sigma

[lethal copper]

I use a 7900xt* 😎

*I swear it's great value in some countries

[pliant leaf]

still, i doubt they'd know what to do with metal

and apple silicon has neither vulcan nor openGL support

[lethal copper]

Yeah I love my MacBook but for desktop I think I would rather stay on openSUSE

Especially since I only ever play TF2, CS:GO and Minecraft modded, with 2/3 not working or having issues on mac

[deep niche]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/600613421742030848.gif?size=48

[lethal copper]

sigma fake nitro mod user?

[deep niche]

balls

[vapid smelt]

At the new 700-800$ price it is

[pure olive]

Yep

[pliant leaf]

https://twitter.com/Thrilluwu/status/1665811220539088896?cxt=HHwWgIC98dWek54uAAAA

as usual the vr youtubers put it best

[polar fern]

Twitter is a fascist cesspit

[crystal pike]

im here to issue an apology
i said the ar/vr headset was nonexistent, i was wrong.
i am very sorry

[polar fern]

Hi

[pliant leaf]

and?

[polar fern]

And stop posting links to it

[fossil frost]

people can post what they like as long as its within the rules

[pliant leaf]

no we were right, peole thought it was a normal headset, i even saw a lot of cope saying you could play games with it on steam or some shit

but this is much more than that

[pliant leaf]

nah

[polar fern]

Yeah people can post things as long as it within the rules by we know what Twitter is and if you’re posting stuff that points to Twitter, well then we know who you are. Yikes.

[novel tendon]

Might as well don't exist
3.5k for a damn VR headset?

[polar fern]

It’s not “a vr headset” JFC

[crystal pike]

well it defiently is much more than just an ar headset.
I had never been amazed by a new product like it in years. it legit felt like just a concept to me and nothing more

[novel tendon]

No one will spend 3.5k on pro vision

[vapid smelt]

Companies will

[pliant leaf]

this has the features of the currently top tier AR/VR headset on the market, at half the price, with the integration of the entire apple ecosystem

[crystal pike]

thats like a normal price for an apple product tbh too expensive but people will still buy it
but imo its worth all that

[novel tendon]

X doubt

[pliant leaf]

this is the start of something insane

[polar fern]

@novel tendon https://youtu.be/eywi0h_Y5_U

[pliant leaf]

you are clearly a child so you don't understand the implications of this device, since "it doesn't play games"

[novel tendon]

People didn't change
You still have more people buying budget phones than ever

[crystal pike]

the m2 ultra mac pro is a bit weird tho

[novel tendon]

I'm 21 thanks

[polar fern]

Hey siri, who’s the market leader in smartphones

[fossil frost]

thats a very black and white viewpoint, just because twitter allows facist content, and because twitter allows all the horrible stuff it does allow... doesnt mean normal people dont also use it... doesnt mean that regular valid content isnt on it too... doesnt mean that whatever is posted is wrong just because it is twitter, and doesnt mean that a particular person is bad because they use twitter... judging people, and knowing nothing about them, saying they are wrong without understanding anything they think, and lambasting them for doing something they are perfectly free to do, is facist, more facist than right wing bullshit too

[crystal pike]

its just siri now i think

[novel tendon]

More people buy budget phones
That's just facts

[crystal pike]

budget phones cause more e-waste than anything else imo

[polar fern]

No. It’s not a “ black and white” viewpoint.

@novel tendon

[novel tendon]

I don't see how this relates to the conversation

[fossil frost]

"you use twitter, you are a bad person", completely ignoring the fact that there are a huge number of different types of people that use twitter for various things... yes... that is a "black and white" or "good and bad" or "right and wrong" way of viewing things with no ability to see the grey area or the neuance

[crystal pike]

because it doesnt lol

[polar fern]

I didn’t say bad person

[novel tendon]

30% < 70%

[polar fern]

Telling people that fascism is a grey area is going to get you blocked. Have a nice day.

[fossil frost]

you didnt directly say it no, but that does appear to be the implication

blocking people for sharing their viewpoint, also fascist

[novel tendon]

Apple only has 30% of sales
70% are budget phones and flagship android phones

Even at best
Budget phones are still bought more than apple

[polar fern]

Apple is number one in market share globally.

[pliant leaf]

and?

[novel tendon]

Do you understand math?

Apple has 30%
Other companies have 70%

So
Other companies which mostly sell budget phones have 70%

[polar fern]

I’m not sure why you are associating apple with non-budget phones as you can buy phones from carriers for nothing as long as you have a contract.

[fossil frost]

they only understand t heir own opinion and their own viewpoint... they are incapable of understanding anything else... because everyone else and everything else is wrong

[polar fern]

And I specifically said smart phones

[novel tendon]

World isn't just USA

[stray apex]

and yet apple has the highest revenue, because while they don't sell as many phones they sell much more expensive phones

[polar fern]

JFC blocked

[novel tendon]

And yes apple only has 30% in smart phones

[novel tendon]

Yes
They scam people into their ecosystem

[stray apex]

do you know what a scam is

[novel tendon]

Yup
Name one feature of apple which works with anything other than apple devices

[fossil frost]

and then they block you for voicing a viewpoint that they dont agree with rather than trying to put up a valid argument against it, because deep down they know they are wrong, but cant accept that they are wrong because in their own head, they are right, everyone else is wrong

[vapid smelt]

Scamming people into 6+ years of os/security updates

[stray apex]

uh
does apple advertise that their stuff works
on non apple devices

[crystal pike]

lmao thats how i got scammed

[novel tendon]

No
But nobody thinks that you need a 700$+ device to active your apple tag do they?

[stray apex]

most coherent apple hater

[novel tendon]

Wow
Such hard task
Every single custom Rom has it

[polar fern]

Apple doesn’t just sell current gen flagships. There’s legit a whole spectrum of devices both available from Apple directly and through cellular providers. Both full price, discounted, and payment plan.

[pliant leaf]

i doubt he even reaches the minimum age to use discord so i'm going to say no

[stray apex]

yeah, just root your phone lmao

[novel tendon]

And it's freeeee
Wow so much hassle to doooo

[stray apex]

who needs banking apps

personally making my phone less secure so I can get security updates is great

[novel tendon]

Sure
I'll just block you so I don't have to deal with you then

[stray apex]

I love having to hope that the bootloader is unlockable on my phone

[polar fern]

One time, I told someone that their version of android wasn’t secure & their response: “oh it’s ok, it’s rooted”

[novel tendon]

Just letting you know
You can use bank apps

This isn't 2013

Custom roms have patched everything now
They are as good as stock rom and even better

[pliant leaf]

god he thinks mobile banks are the same as real banks

are people actually this stupid? god

[gilded forge]

my granddad refuses to go to windows 10 after I told him that windows 8.1 is no longer secure

[polar fern]

Obviously feature locking is terrible, but there is a lot to be said about the capabilities of new hardware to run security algorithms that older hardware can’t even do

[vapid smelt]

Like replacing an old bloody bandaid with a new "fresh" contaminated one

[novel tendon]

Oh like what
None of those features are used anyways

Are you familiar with Asop rom?
It's provided by Google

And it runs almost on anything

[polar fern]

China has its own phone market as a buffer in case of severe sanctions and certain logistics and supply chain issues on top of the more sinister reasonings

[vapid smelt]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Magisk/comments/107cz62/tutorial_make_banking_apps_work_on_rooted_phones/#:~:text=What is happening is your,on%2C it will not work.

[novel tendon]

This is for rooted phones
You don't need root for custom roms often

[fossil frost]

AOSP isnt a rom, its the source code to the open source version of android that allows manufacturers and 3rd parties to create roms... often, the manufacturers put their customisations, or at least their kernel and bootloader into the world so that people can use AOSP to create custom roms... but AOSP its self isnt a rom

[full fossil]

why do phones even need rooting? why can't manufacturers let the people use their hardware as they wish??

[novel tendon]

There is something called github or rom channels
Which if you don't wanna make your own rom
You can go there and they will guide you to how to do it
Or you can just download ones that are pre built

[dusty rune]

why would they let you do that

[full fossil]

why not?

[novel tendon]

Yes but often there is special builds for each device

[polar fern]

Because people are foolish

[fossil frost]

made by a 3rd party, not by google, google only supply roms for a very limited number of devices. and even then, it being AOSP doesnt mean its secure or stable

[polar fern]

And clever.

[full fossil]

if they break their stuff they just buy again

the cycle repeats

[polar fern]

“Why can’t all phones just be totally insecure for non-tech savvy people?!”

[full fossil]

exactly

[polar fern]

Buy again? No.

[novel tendon]

Sure
There is also something called github
Which is specially made for this kind of stuff to prevent unstated data collection

[slender kiln]

why dont I see this week wan show in vod?

[polar fern]

No.

[stray apex]

code on github isn't inherently safe though...?

like yeah, if someone actually bothers to check the whole thing
but are you gonna do that?

[polar fern]

None of them are on vod on twitch

[fossil frost]

github is only useful if you know how to use it, you have a very very large confirmation bias here by assuming that because you can use it, everyone knows how to use it, and does use it... and more so still, are able to understand what it is they are seeing..

[novel tendon]

Nope
But many popular ones are regularly investigated by staff

[slender kiln]

I dont see it on youtube

[polar fern]

Maybe ask in #the-wan-show

[novel tendon]

Okay sure
But tell me how paying 700$+ more for 2 years of more software support is logical

Just save that money and buy another one when the support ends

[vapid smelt]

Iphone 14 is only $799 and gets 5+ years of updates

[full fossil]

let idiots learn on their own skin the risks. notify fools of the potential danger, but don't stop them. block it behind a confirmation so they can't come complaining when their device breaks.

[polar fern]

No.

Talk about out of touch

[fossil frost]

because some people choose to spend their money on safety and security... knowing that it will be "fine"... some people dont care about that... some people build things themselves... there are different people in the world, and they choose to do different things with their time and money and life

[novel tendon]

Apple is not more secure nor is it more data private

[fossil frost]

not software security, security as in FEELING safe that your stuff will "just work" and will be the same, and once you learn how to use it, it will always "just work" that way

[novel tendon]

Any poco phone is 400$ and gets 4 years of updates

[novel tendon]

That's also how android works?

[fossil frost]

you need to learn very very quickly, not all people are you, and not all people think like you, and not all people give a shit about the things you give a shit about... people are different, and they choose to do what they want

[novel tendon]

I'm sorry but my android doesn't just change how it works overnight

[fossil frost]

that can be how any given manufacturer works yes, but going between different android flavours, like switching between huawai or samsung or sony or google pixel devices, there are enough differences to make the user experience different enough that people who just dont use tech every day, will be thrown off and will essentially be relearning how to use their device

[vapid smelt]

Of OS or just security

[full fossil]

people buy iphone because of marketing and style. people buy android because cheaper and same performance,. .... simple

[novel tendon]

Both iirc
But some get 3 new OS updates and 4 years of security

[polar fern]

JFC

[novel tendon]

Then just buy a single brand? Like you do with apple

[fossil frost]

the root of all this is... if you dont like apple devices for whatever reason, their cost, their support, their apps, because you just dont like apple... thats fine, dont buy them... thats your choice... other people do make the choice to buy what they want to buy, and that is none of your business at all, they choose to do because that is their choice

[fossil frost]

both hauwai and samsung have made large changes to their UX over the last few years

[full fossil]

this is where the conversation should be left

[novel tendon]

No what I'm saying is
Nvidia apple and every company that is now taking their customers at gun point should have been abandoned ages ago so the compition would build up

[polar fern]

Not up to you.

[stray apex]

apple isn't forcing people to buy iphones lmao

[full fossil]

pointless to do tug of war because people prefer one thing over another

[stray apex]

they just have a really compelling product

[novel tendon]

They lock you in their ecosystem

[full fossil]

stylish i must say

[fossil frost]

the point is, people choose to buy what they choose to buy... if you dont like it, make your own competing product

[polar fern]

It’s not a tug of war. Your presumptuous generalisations are ridiculous and nothing more.

[full fossil]

its quite convincing to buy one

[novel tendon]

So we are okay with rtx 5060 for 1200$?

[fossil frost]

pot... kettle...

[fossil frost]

im not, and i wouldnt buy it, because thats my choice... and when enough people make that same choice, nvidia will change their tune... but people choose to buy it, so enough people ARE ok with it... and thats their choice

[polar fern]

Dude saying I’ve been using an iPhone for 15 years because “marketing and style”.

[full fossil]

the design it appeals to the idea of a savvy tech businessman idea thing.

[polar fern]

No.

[fossil frost]

nvidia charge those prices because there are people willing to pay those prices

[polar fern]

I have had a case on every single one of my iPhones it has nothing to do with style

[novel tendon]

Yup
Humanity is stupid
Gotcha

[full fossil]

never said so, just saying people not really invested into this stuff will probably get an iphone because of how it looks and it's popularity. please do not feel attacked

[polar fern]

Go ahead and tell me more why am some moron that can’t think for himself

Mhm. Do go on.

[fossil frost]

i would, but you would block me for being right

[dusty rune]

and because theyre needed in some applications

[full fossil]

nobody wants to prove that you're a moron....

[polar fern]

I love how you try to casually insult peoples intelligence, because they might want to buy a phone different from the one you think they should purchase.

[full fossil]

what????????????

[dusty rune]

as it happens always

[full fossil]

suprised this didnt get triggered by the filter lmao

[dusty rune]

btw peppermint theres a high chance u will get blocked lol

[idle nymph]

Im losing braincell

[polar fern]

Just because someone isnt some monstrously tech savvy person, does that mean they’re an idiot when it comes to purchasing a smartphone and incapable of having their own opinions based on reviews and specs. JFC

[full fossil]

i'm sorry i just don't understand this person seriously....

[novel tendon]

Case of a totally unhinged person right here
Blocked

[dusty rune]

no one does
theyre like parallel with technology

[polar fern]

Yeah, I know, I imagine respecting peoples intelligence enough to think that they can buy a phone and not just be some sheep.

[novel tendon]

Also is jfc like just for context or something?

[idle nymph]

What

[sand moth]

jesus fucking christ

[full fossil]

you're trying to make yourself a victim of being insulted and it is not working....

[polar fern]

Mhm

[novel tendon]

Man I love who invented the block button

[dusty rune]

saying jesus's name in vain? kinda weird ngl

[idle nymph]

I hâte this server some moment

[fossil frost]

you are close to getting blocked by them for pointing out something that they have done wrong, when they are incapable of being wrong...

[novel tendon]

I hate this server at all times

[polar fern]

Oh, I’m not a victim. You’re just pouring your baseless argument into a tech chat where people are going to disagree with you and you seem to have some sort of issue with that.

[dusty rune]

[novel tendon]

Walta
Hi walta

[full fossil]

you're the only one straight up disagreeing

[vapid smelt]

Buying two mid range ($400-500) phones will be the same as buying a $799 iphone 2023 7a($500) vs 2019 ($699)

[novel tendon]

Bro

[idle nymph]

Il not walta

[polar fern]

yes, because I am going to speak out

[fossil frost]

they always do, they are a petty whiney child who has a MASSIVE complex, and throws a fit every time somebody disagrees with them

[dusty rune]

btw what are we arguing about?

[novel tendon]

I didn't say buy Google's iphone
I said buy a budget phone
Like a poco f3

[novel tendon]

Who you are then

[idle nymph]

Lord one man cheese burger apocalypse

[polar fern]

I’m just going to go and buy this particular stereo because of marketing and design and not because I can form my own opinion based on having knowledge. 🤦‍♂️

[novel tendon]

What's your short name

[full fossil]

ask transit, this person is the only one who is trying to argue

[idle nymph]

One man cheese burger apocalypse

[novel tendon]

Shorter?

[polar fern]

I’m not arguing, I’m calling you out on your comment

[idle nymph]

One man cheese burger

[dusty rune]

we were talking about how gpus are getting more efficient, they said that the world is on fire for a few more fps
said theyre overreacting and i got blocked

[novel tendon]

More shorter?

[idle nymph]

Man cheese burger

[full fossil]

yes and i responded to it and you still keep 'calling me out'

[novel tendon]

Mcb

[dusty rune]

ok but whats the topic

[idle nymph]

Omcba

[polar fern]

Your comment implied that people cannot think for themselves - and that is insulting. Do you not understand this?

[novel tendon]

I'm Mas
Man
And
Neighbors

[molten drift]

I'm growing more and more angry at Amazon and their order by x time to have package on x date and then changing the time by the time the order arrives. I genuinely think I may swap to like Walmart to order most my stuff.

[dusty rune]

sometimes its not all about performance, sometimes its about ease of use and camera quality

[novel tendon]

These don't matter for most people
F3 will be enough even for power users

[novel tendon]

Android is wayyyyy easier to use than apple man

[dusty rune]

yeah sure but some apps simply work better on apple

[fossil frost]

there is a very small radio button group when you hit the checkout "amazon delivery" "fastest amazon delivery" and some other one which is essentially "we will deliver it whenever".. amazon delivery is "next day at some point", fastest is the one they actually advertise when you choose the item, but it defaults to "amazon delivery"... so they dont have to actually rush it

[novel tendon]

Like?

[polar fern]

@molten drift they may be having a driver shortage

[dusty rune]

most social media ones

[novel tendon]

Um
No?
They work better on android

[fossil frost]

given that they are all writen in react native anyway... they work about the same on all deivces that are of the same physical spec

[vapid smelt]

So would a iphone that last longer( for official updates)and creates less waste since you upgrade less often

[full fossil]

why don't you practice talking to people in real life transit? maybe don't take offense at every opinion spoken by people? please do block me. can't talk to someone who overreacts at someone's opinion. have a good day. 🫡

[novel tendon]

I mean I've used discord for way too long on android and I've never seen it lag or something

[polar fern]

Running for three years, non-stop in all kinds of insane weather in this political climate during a pandemic has definitely had an effect on logistics employees.

[dusty rune]

mine breaks and i have to restart like every 5 minutes

[polar fern]

Your “opinion” is insulting

[full fossil]

i mentioned people being more attracted to iphones because of marketing and design, and now we're here

[fossil frost]

that doesnt mean its better on android than it is on ios... that just means that it runs fine on your particular phone

[dusty rune]

and my instagram still uses direct instead of the messenger thing for some dumb reason

[novel tendon]

It costs way more
And if you buy a phone after your first one it will last you more and you will have better features

[dusty rune]

i mean thats the entire point of marketing, youre not wrong

[polar fern]

Maybe someone like me is attracted to an iPhone because it works and I don’t have to tinker under the hood every single day to get it to do what I would like you to do.

[fossil frost]

<@&750150305383186585> they are just being a troll now, arguing with everyone and trying to create problems out of nothing... entire discussions are being massively derailed because of them

[dusty rune]

if it wouldnt work, no one would do marketing anymore

[full fossil]

which is why i dont know why it was so offensive.

[polar fern]

but then again, what do I know I guess I’m just swayed by all of the marketing and style

[novel tendon]

Idk
I hate companies which put 100% markup on their stuff
I live in a poor country and it's hard to save up money

[dusty rune]

😭

[stray apex]

which social media apps work better on android lmao

[dusty rune]

dont worry i cant afford apple devices either, but i get why theyre tempting

[polar fern]

BRB need to purchase the next shiny thing pitched to me

[novel tendon]

Everything?
Idk I never had problems with any social media app

[full fossil]

i wouldnt know because i use a 2017 huawei, but it still holds up quite well

[dusty rune]

why does transitbiker have to get so easily offended by everything

[novel tendon]

They aren't even tempting
They are just a show off in my country

[full fossil]

just block them

[fossil frost]

troll, or a child

[dusty rune]

no cause its funny

[full fossil]

good point unblocking

[dusty rune]

i only read the 5 words out of that

[novel tendon]

Speed eyes bro

[dusty rune]

all i had to read and i know what you were going to say

[polar fern]

@deft vortex oh yeah for sure

[vapid smelt]

2019 $699 iphone 11 that is still getting updates trades blows with a modern $400 Poco, with official updates you would get 1.5/2 midrange phones to get the same support as one $700-800 iphone

[polar fern]

Prove it

[fossil frost]

you are doing that yourself

[polar fern]

<@&750150305383186585>

[full fossil]

please refrain from talking and attempt to socialise more.

[stray apex]

haha transphobia

[novel tendon]

Yeah
But then you aren't locked up in apple ecosystem

[stray apex]

yeah, instead you're locked in google's ecosystem

[idle nymph]

[novel tendon]

So.....you know you can use Google on an iPhone right?

[stray apex]

lemme know when I can have call screening on iphone

[dusty rune]

also, apple pay is the best way to pay via nfc

[novel tendon]

Install Gmail app

[full fossil]

funny thing i discovered lately, samsung makes up 20% of korea's economy lmao

[stray apex]

oh right, pixel probably isn't even availible in your country

[sand moth]

korea is the cyberpunk country

[novel tendon]

I didn't say buy pixel

[stray apex]

why bother with android otherwise

[polar fern]

Call screening. Sounds like some sort of expedition into the wilderness to find some bird with a specific call & put up a net

[novel tendon]

Yes if you buy pixel it's literally Google's iphone

[stray apex]

pixel has the best software, when it works lol

[novel tendon]

Cheaper
More freedom
And not boring design

[dusty rune]

theyre alright

[stray apex]

lg was the only one doing not boring designs at a vaguely affordable price

[dusty rune]

usually just overpriced, as most dell stuff

[novel tendon]

Can't imagine going from iPhone 11 to iphone 14 and only thing that changes is the camera layout shifting

[stray apex]

and they went out of business
because it turns out nobody wants to experiment with their smartphone

[vapid smelt]

If you use a iphone from launch till it's no longer supported you would create less e waste and spend the same amount as 1.5-2 midrange androids. It's a great value

[fossil frost]

if you gave a shit about freedom, none of this conversation would exist, because you would realise that freedom is people choosing to buy what it is they want to buy

[novel tendon]

Poco: 💀

[dusty rune]

do you need the portability?

[dusty rune]

the G4 leather back felt so nice

[novel tendon]

:|
Bro
How is locking someone in your ecosystem then not giving them any cheap options to buy yourself be called freedom

I get what you mean
But people who buy apple aren't seeking freedom

Quite the opposite

[vapid smelt]

It is cheap if you use it till it's no longer supported

[fossil frost]

how is trying to force people to be locked into a different ecosystem freedom? the freedom to choose either one, is freedom

[novel tendon]

Yes
Which is the point

[polar fern]

I understand that some people want to tinker with their smartphones, but the vast majority don’t - they want stability, security and something that just works.

[stray apex]

ah yes
miui
blatantly cloning ios

[novel tendon]

Many don't use iphones until they are no longer supported

[novel tendon]

And?

[polar fern]

Manufacturers arent going to release swathes of devices ust for people who want to tinker with their phone.

[idle nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-murica-gif-10866207

[polar fern]

Imagine General Motors releasing a car that you have to fix yourself

[stray apex]

poco f4 really only getting two years of feature updates

[full fossil]

yall imagine if iphone released a series of actual BUDGET phones... like.... redmi level budget

[polar fern]

I’m sure it would sell in the millions.

[stray apex]

meanwhile an iphone SE getting 5-6

[full fossil]

that would be funny

[novel tendon]

They won't
Nobody would buy their actual flagships

[full fossil]

yes thats why i said imagine

[novel tendon]

That's why they have a shit phone called iPhone SE 3

[polar fern]

I’m on an SE 3rd gen. Love it.

[full fossil]

but its interesting to speculate on how it would work out

[stray apex]

curious to see how they'll do a USB-C SE

[novel tendon]

3*

[polar fern]

I do wish that the battery was a little bit more thicc.

[stray apex]

MIUI doesn't count lmao

it's getting 2 android version updates

[full fossil]

IMO usb-c is one of the best things to happen to tech possibly ever

[novel tendon]

They give you 3 years of android update support

[vapid smelt]

The iphone 6s was $650 and got 7 years of updates, meaning it cost 93$ a year

[stray apex]

they're doing two android versions

[novel tendon]

I mean sure
But they are still giving you the most important stuff

[novel tendon]

Like apple does

[stray apex]

the poco f4 will be running an outdated OS by 2024

[novel tendon]

They don't give all the features to everyone
Despite everyone having good hardware for them

[vapid smelt]

Aka next year

[full fossil]

what even is the like... company behind android.. like sorry if this seems extremely clueless but who develops it????

[polar fern]

Having the port be a hole is a benefit over the port being a hole with something breakable in itthat renders the device either inoperable, or in need of repair

[novel tendon]

Yes because it was released in 2022

Poco F5 exists

[stray apex]

imagine

[vapid smelt]

$200 a year to own a f4 vs a $92 iphone 6s

[novel tendon]

F4 is way better than iPhone 6s

[stray apex]

meanwhile iphone se 3 expected to be updated until 2027-2028

[polar fern]

One thing you can do with older, iPhones is just use it as a phone. I would not suggest using another iPhone to do anything secure like social media or banking.

[novel tendon]

Bro
SE 3 looks like ass

You all are insane?
At least say like iPhone mini or something

[stray apex]

I don't like boring design
only likes generic candybars

[vapid smelt]

We went from iphone's are more expensive to it looks boring

[novel tendon]

💀 dude
Thick black bars on my phone ain't fashion

[full fossil]

are versions that important on android? i remember using kitkat a while ago on an old tablet i found and it worked fine..

[stray apex]

depends

[novel tendon]

It doesn't look boring
It looks like shit

Like bro
Even holding an iPhone is shit

[polar fern]

@vapid smelt I wonder when people will realise that they can buy whatever device they want, and they don’t necessarily have to formulate insulting comments about devices they don’t own or will never purchase

[stray apex]

"iphone looks shit"

[novel tendon]

The edges are so pointy I hate myself for touching it

[polar fern]

Eee

[novel tendon]

Bro there are like hundreds of budget phones

[polar fern]

It has a tumour on the side

[novel tendon]

Meanwhile there is only one damn design on iphones

[stray apex]

what in the cursed

[idle nymph]

This debate is getting pointless

[vapid smelt]

I use Android because I prefer the OS and the headphone jack, but I can't lie when I say the iPhone is a good value

[full fossil]

art, just like phone design is often subjective, we should respect others for what they like... some people like simple, clean, some people like detailed and unique

[novel tendon]

I like this more than iPhone

[novel tendon]

💀

999$ phone is a value phone

[vapid smelt]

An $800 iPhone will last you the same as two $400 mid-range phones

[full fossil]

...even if some just look BAD, but, i cant look through the eyes of another person and see their opinion.

[novel tendon]

Yes but you can still use the first midrange phone
You will have two completely fine phones

[polar fern]

I have the lightning to 3.5 adapter. Works great. Should Apple include it with the new iPhones I think so, but it works.

[stray apex]

pixel 6 was peak android phone design

[vapid smelt]

That's way more wasteful

[mint yacht]

I think some of the newer Sony Xperia phones look quite nice

[full fossil]

return to windows mobile. be different.

[polar fern]

@full fossil that’s called empathy… maybe you should work on it? just a kind suggestion…

[vapid smelt]

And I have two mid-range phones collecting dust

[mint yacht]

Definitely not biased at all

[pure olive]

Are you guys still on this debate?

[novel tendon]

No?
You can just give the old one to a family which doesn't have money to buy new phone

[polar fern]

Xperia?

[stray apex]

I mean, they're not bad
I just don't think they're good?
just extremely generic smartphone

[mint yacht]

ok fair

[novel tendon]

And they will use it more
Then after that you can mod it to become a handheld console

[vapid smelt]

Giving them a compromise phone

[polar fern]

Which model Xperia?

[fossil frost]

they do, and they work great too, and their camera pisses on anything else.. but people shit on them for some reason

[mint yacht]

The 1 iii is the one I'm biased towards

[novel tendon]

Nope
Google still pushes security updates via their own update system

[stray apex]

ah yes
my phone isn't recieving security updates anymore
let's give it to grandma, who will definitely not download a virus

[polar fern]

Also wow 💰

[full fossil]

are new xperias on windows or android now?

[fossil frost]

android, been android for a LONG time

[stray apex]

the camera sensor is incredible

[full fossil]

im out of touch in the subject, thank you

[stray apex]

sony's camera is not good as a smartphone camera, though

[novel tendon]

Google gives you security updates as long as they support your android version which is like 5+ years

[stray apex]

their computational photography is just really bad for some reason

[novel tendon]

Without needing oem support

[full fossil]

imo xperias have potential

[fossil frost]

ive had the last 3 flagship sony xperia phones, including the 1ii (switched to pixel 7 recently because of sonys price getting more and more out of touch with what the specs say it should be)

[polar fern]

Huh interesting design

[fossil frost]

because it was my CHOICE to choose something else... almost like being allowed to choose what you want to buy with your own money, is up to you, and not up to somebody on the internet

[full fossil]

and nokia... i'm honestly suprised they're still in the green! it's impressive, interesting to see what they do now...i see no ads ever of their phones but they still release new ones

[novel tendon]

Buy an apple then it's not your choice anymore
You're locked into their ecosystem

[vapid smelt]

Fuck my pixel 5a support ends in August 2024

[stray apex]

they do 5g infrastructure, so I imagine that's quite lucrative

pixel 5 best pixel
light
small

[novel tendon]

Welcome to custom roms

[fossil frost]

my fiance had an apple phone until 2 years ago, migrating from the apple ecosystem to android was quite simple, theres even a wizard built into android for it these days... so... no... not really locked in at all

[full fossil]

just checked, nokia makes dirt cheap phones. seriously. impressive

[vapid smelt]

Fuck doing roms

[full fossil]

199 dollar for phone with 5g??? are these normal prices now??

[polar fern]

Wow 12 gig of ram

That’s beef

[novel tendon]

if you aren't planning on using any iPhone feature then might as well buy an android for cheaper

[novel tendon]

Yup
Got my poco f3 for 250$

[dusty rune]

im not buying a phone anymore unless its the 450$ one thats build like a brick that i saw and fell in love with

[novel tendon]

So like a xiaomi or Nokia phone?

[cloud sleet]

How much was the Apple Vision pro? my wifi went out before they got to the price

[fossil frost]

she made the switch because she broke her phone, and i had just upgraded mine, and she didnt give a shit which phone she had as long as she had a phone for work, and had previously bought an iphone because it was easier and what she liked the look of most when she went to buy the phone

[full fossil]

impressive

[dusty rune]

nah those arent bricks

[novel tendon]

3500$

[cloud sleet]

omfg

[dusty rune]

this type of brick i mean

[fossil frost]

so... no... its not about "the features" for most people... for a lot of people, its about how it looks... to them

[novel tendon]

Yup
Insane

[vapid smelt]

7pro losing os updates in 2 years

[novel tendon]

Ah yes casual 21000mah

[dusty rune]

mah

[cloud sleet]

thats like 11 and 2/3 of an oculus quest 2

[dusty rune]

it weighs 500g lol

[stray apex]

quest 2 is an actual toy lmao

[novel tendon]

Yes
That's what I said

[stray apex]

you could buy 11 quest 2's and still have a worse experience

[gilded quest]

fr

[stray apex]

shockingly, you cannot actually wear 11 vr headsets at the same time

[gilded quest]

quest doesn't even support SLI

[novel tendon]

I use my phone as a cardboard VR

[gilded quest]

fuck google tho

[novel tendon]

And it's fine
It costed me 10$

[stray apex]

no lmao

cardboard vr is terrible
it's literally the worst way to experience VR

[gilded quest]

I bought a Daydream and pixel 2 with the promise of "daydream VR support" and they killed daydream with Android 11 and no way to roll back to Android 10

[novel tendon]

Not if you put actual good material to it

[full fossil]

cheapest nokia smartphone is 60 bucks rn...

[stray apex]

no

the lenses are bad
the screen isn't designed for it
the tracking is bad because it's just accelerometers

[gilded quest]

cardboard VR is a demo for 360 video

[novel tendon]

Yes?
Bro it's not hard to just buy the parts and slap them into a new vr headset

[stray apex]

lmao

[novel tendon]

For 10$ I like it

[full fossil]

not bad for 2ghz 8 core 3gb ram..

[novel tendon]

Yup

[vapid smelt]

3gb is not enough

[novel tendon]

It's 60$

[fossil frost]

it is plenty, especially when you are a 5yo who only uses it to watch youtube in the car

[full fossil]

i have this amount and it is enough for me, i dont use the phone intensely.

[vapid smelt]

I had an Android phone with 3gb of ram it had problems loading the Amazon spp

[novel tendon]

That's not because of ram
That's because it's old cpu

[full fossil]

always had a soft spot for nokia, never got around to buying one but i like the company for whatever reason.

[novel tendon]

Based

I still have a Nokia 1100 around somewhere

[full fossil]

oh i have like 5 old nokias in my house. so many models and all so similar

[novel tendon]

Yup

[full fossil]

the flagship nokia rn is 500 bucks lmao

[novel tendon]

Call me old or something
But I miss when all we had was the snake game

[full fossil]

i love em

[novel tendon]

You will also love poco

[full fossil]

yes poco is good too, very good, but some of their design decisions r questionable

[novel tendon]

I like their designs
They are kinda new and I like new stuff

[full fossil]

the x3 is what bugs me the most out of their phones

[novel tendon]

The middle camera? Why

[full fossil]

large company logo on the middle, round unusual looking camera... maybe if i saw it irl id think different but it just looks odd to me

[novel tendon]

Irl it looks fine

My friend has it and it's a cool phone

[full fossil]

very very good for the price, yes

[novel tendon]

Yeah
Insane value

[dull granite]

they should do Barack Obama themed PC build

[plain dome]

real

[stray apex]

I swear to god linux exists solely to break my USB drives

[full fossil]

shortly saying poco and nokia r based companies. poco is the one that flexes itself while being suprisingly cheap and nokia sticks to its philosophy of cheap practical phones.

goodnight all

[novel tendon]

Gn

[polar fern]

@dull granite

[pure olive]

What a suit

[night heron]

based color

[rough birch]

Snazzy

Idk what that means but it seems right

Boy if I ever had the means I'd cobble the most broken system the world has ever probably seen.

[full fossil]

Guys i need help with my lian li software and fan issuei

this was a good decision :clueless:

[orchid rain]

Hi, I take business studies at AS level right now we are doing a marketing research topic I was wondering if I could post a form here for a survey for the marketing report. It is a music survey

[fossil frost]

it would probably be considered spamming

[orchid rain]

yea I guess

[modest ravine]

beige suit jabroni

[orchid rain]

https://forms.gle/wAXc59ZHCq4gPZ5M8

[full fossil]

how good is the steam as a PC?

or vs a normal pc

[orchid rain]

wait it worked?

[fossil frost]

you are probably better off posting in a sub reddit dedicated to music

[orchid rain]

can you please do this form and distribute it

[rough birch]

So anyway how are y'all? Also probabky would ask a mod if it is fine first...

[limpid fern]

u forgot deezer

[full fossil]

i love the apple vision pro. finally i can pay 3500 dollars for a bean that goes on my head

is there a recomendations channel

[cloud sleet]

or an upside down bra

[faint aurora]

Vision Pro with a PPI of just under 30000. Kinda insane.

[limpid fern]

rich people skii goggles

[vapid smelt]

An Australian bra

[vestal island]

1920x1080 240hz or 1440p 160hz

[long briar]

idk I don't think it looks like a bra... or not as much as the airpods max case

[sharp leaf]

any Diablo players

[molten drift]

Which diablo

[dense bone]

Hey can I get some help with this :) https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1115422197926875289

[misty scarab]

I have an orginal engine car and it has 240k miles and still works fine

[gentle slate]

Soo discord has begun rolling out the name change.

[misty scarab]

brooo

[full fossil]

really

[smoky plinth]

Im finnaly cleaning my pc

[gentle slate]

Ye.

[full fossil]

how might one change their name once they get access to do so

[gentle slate]

The app will scream at you.

[echo canopy]

1440

[full fossil]

ah perfect another thing to scream at me

just what i need

[gentle slate]

Man the change to pomelo just... Seems so useless. Can't believe discord spent time developing it.

[timid mountain]

hye guys anyone know why my cpu ryzen 7 6800h(laptop) i ran cpu benchmnark butn it maxed at 4.21 ghz but its turbo is 4.7

[gentle slate]

Thermals

[echo canopy]

or power budget

Single core turbo isnt all core turbo

[timid mountain]

cant find all core turbo

so i should lower temps

[lucid echo]

4.7 is single-core turbo

4.21 sounds right to me for all-core

Well above the 3.2 base

[timid mountain]

how much cores csgo needs

[gentle slate]

1-4

[lucid echo]

It's fairly single-threaded. It won't be using anywhere close to your 8c/16t CPU

[gentle slate]

There's some multithreading option if ur cpu gigashit iirc.

[placid turtle]

Will I run into any issues using a wifi card in a pcie16?

[lucid echo]

If you're not multitasking, you could try turning off SMT (this will reduce your threads from 16 to 8) which cuts your multi-core performance in half, but often improves single-core

[lucid echo]

Nope that'll be fine. It'll just use however many lanes it's designed for

[gentle slate]

I can't tell if my isp has done what I wanted them to do. And I can't check coz no router access.

I reckon I'll switch isps once this contract is up. This is irritating

[echo canopy]

barely, their cpu is perfectly fine as well and will be held back by whatever gpu they have

[timid mountain]

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/61935395 my benchmark, somehow people get 97%

[mint yacht]

Userbenchmark is mostly garbage fwiw

[sinful moat]

Any benchmark is okay as long as you understand the flaws. It's good to pull from multiple sources though.

[echo canopy]

they just lie lol

[lucid echo]

Do not be concerned with that. If your game runs well, that's all that matters
That CPU is in all kinds of laptops in all kinds of conditions, comparing is often a lost cause (especially with that site)
You won't have any time left to play game if you stress about how good the game play

[sinful moat]

You can also get a better score just by ramping the fans to max and leaving them there, something Dell doesn't allow in their systems any more.

[full fossil]

Want to upgrade my Inspiron 15 5558’s chat to 16gb, how can I find a compatible kit?

[edgy moss]

It’s a big week for VR I’d say

Apple headset and the quest 3 are announced

[full fossil]

if the apple headset can work seamlessly with airpod pros that would be so dope

noise cancelling and transparency with an ar headset is so dope

[timid mountain]

1600mhz ddr3l

https://dl.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_laptop/esuprt_inspiron_laptop/inspiron-15-5558-laptop_reference guide_en-us.pdf page 9

[wispy marsh]

One man's garbage

You want windows iot on your pc?

[spare holly]

Hey canadians out there whats your experience with Armoury Prebuilts from Canada Computers?

[polar fern]

If you benchmark it, he will drop stuff.

[long briar]

I mean relative performance to their database is pretty nice as a reference

until you oc your CPU and youre 100 percentile and they just lose it

my 7700k at 5ghz was enough to get 100th percentile

And it was a hella lazy oc, could've done sm better

[graceful burrow]

Yeah it's super cool when an i3 beats a threadripper

[long briar]

breh

[graceful burrow]

Don't breh me breh them

[long briar]

I meant single core probably actually

[graceful burrow]

Yeah probably but that doesn't paint the whole pic

[long briar]

But more that I meant comparing your own hardware to their samples of your hardware

[wispy marsh]

Wwdc was interesting

[long briar]

so like how does my 7700k compare to other 7700k

[wispy marsh]

A friend was using 7700K until recently

I sold them my 5600X, and the difference was phenomenal

[long briar]

I've built a fair number of systems now, didn't feel the need to upgrade yet

[wispy marsh]

I got that csgo and discord was running on their setup, and they didn't feel too good with the frametimes

Now, they can stream and play demanding games and watch videos in the background

[long briar]

I use nvenc for that

Occasionally streaming Valorant where everything feels the same

[wispy marsh]

[polar fern]

-opens a valve-

[finite cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/valve-guarujinhobrazil-intro-valve-intro-portal2-gif-19078165

[dense coral]

I have a pretty simple question I feel doesn't require making an entire thread on tech support, so is it okay if I just ask it here or do I still need to create a thread?

[wanton jewel]

ask in #tech-chat-1 if its tech related

[crystal kayak]

is there a place to talk chair recommendations

[plain lotus]

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MR393AM/A/apple-2tb-ssd-upgrade-kit-for-mac-pro this looks... familiar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IHqntr8FjY&t=512s I wonder if it's like basically the same but not firmware locked

[indigo plume]

Might return my hd560s

I dont really feel much of a difference from old headphones

Old headphones were steel series arctis 7s

[plain lotus]

Like I bet the whole setup for these is the same as the mac studio since it says:

Note: Software reinstallation requires a second Mac running Apple Configurator 2 and a USB-C cable. Compatible with Mac Pro (2023).
And the only difference is because it's a mac pro the firmware will actually let you

[gilded quest]

i assume so
(as in its probably a FLASH ONLY module, no controller or dram cache)

[plain lotus]

yeah just based on the size that's what I'm assuming

since this is what the ones for the old mac pro look like https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MXNN2AM/A/1tb-ssd-kit-for-mac-pro (much larger)

apple gonna apple xD

[stray apex]

$1000 for 2tb flash lmao

[dense bone]

Hey is there a problem with renewed or refurbished items?

[stray apex]

No

[dense bone]

I'm looking to buy a laptop and am wondering about that

[gilded quest]

do they have a return period? if they do its pretty safe to buy and return if the quality isn't up to your standards

[bold salmon]

I wonder if the new mac pro apple ssd things can work with mac studio cus they look kinda similar

[plain lotus]

maybe if it's the same capacity... but that's basically where we are at now.

would be funny if they just silently let you do it, but 100% didn't even put on the product page that you could

[gilded quest]

Does the studio have 2230 mounting?

Or 2242, whatever the new SSD is

Since iird the studio was 2280

[gilded forge]

I have more satisfaction fucking around with things and figuring things have features than just reading a features list

[plain lotus]

perhaps... but not when it costs a minimum of $600 to find out... well plus a mac studio if you don't have one

[dense bone]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/663175/hp-omen-17-ck1020nr-173-gaming-laptop-computer-black Is this good?

[crystal kayak]

are there any fabric noblechair owners bc i wanna know how comfy the epic series are

[polar fern]

It’s ok.

Tad overpriced, but not by much.

Specs are good.

Would be better at $900

10 gig vram would be better at that price point

Do you have a specific budget? @dense bone

This is a bit of a better deal. https://www.microcenter.com/product/662554/msi-pulse-15-b13vfk-280us-156-gaming-laptop-computer-platinum-collection-black

Newer cpu & gpu. More storage.

[dense bone]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-zephyrus-m16-16165hz-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i9-16gb-ddr5-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-1tb-pcie-4-0-ssd-off-black/6494637.p?skuId=6494637 What about this

I'm looking for something around $1k but I'd be a bit flexible to go higher if it really seemed like the perfect package

[crystal kayak]

idk if i should go high end or cheapout
https://www.mwave.com.au/product/onex-stc-elegant-xl-series-gaming-chair-graphite-ac53766
https://www.mwave.com.au/product/noblechairs-epic-tx-gaming-chair-anthracite-ac49626

[tough spruce]

theyre likely the same modules

but as with mac studio, you need special software to train them

[pure hare]

Is rtx 3060 12gb + i3-10100f a good mid-high end build ?

[plush rivet]

100% mid

That’s is not high end lol

[pure hare]

oh

Well I’m upgrading to 11400f soon

[wispy marsh]

I have a mid-end build myself

Your description is definitely not high-end

[low rain]

I hate people who always bring up politics, today I had an assembly and we have guest speakers and this months was someone who worked in the government. She started off by saying her name but then proceeded to go on a political rant saying Donald trump is in it for the money and I didn’t even know what she did until the end of the assembly when someone asked her what she did because all she talked about was Donald trump, capitalism, and children not having rights. By the way she is saying this to middle and high schoolers.

[wispy marsh]

Great parent. An absolutely flawless example

[tender geyser]

I diagnose this person with severe TDS (trump derangement syndrome)

[low rain]

That whole assembly I was so confused cause usually it’s people telling us how they became what they are now but she was just talking ab politics and shit like that

[bold salmon]

middle school ehh but high school like whatever they are old enough to hear crazy people and crazy people complaining about crazy people and crazy people complaining about crazy people complaining about crazy people

[dull granite]

yo

[low rain]

She was the worst guest speaker ever because we didn’t even get to learn how she got to the position she’s in now or even what she does, after someone asked what she does she just said the name of her job.

[bold salmon]

that being?

what the job?

[low rain]

I have absolutely no fucking clue cause she started talking super fast

[bold salmon]

lol

ok the children rights one might actually be valid

[low rain]

Idrc ab that but it’s the fact that she’s not even talking about stuff she was supposed to talk ab

[bold salmon]

what

was she supposed to talk about

[low rain]

How she got to the position she’s in now and she’s also supposed to talk about what she does

[tender geyser]

She needed an audience that wouldn’t challenge her so she could vent

If it’s anything about trump being bad they will let her blab on until she grows old and dies

[low rain]

It’s mainly 6-10th graders which is the worst part

[long briar]

trump in it for the money... ain't that the story of the states tho?

[tender geyser]

Everyone is in it for the money

Everything is in it for the money

[pliant karma]

I remember those tbf I tuned out quite fast lol.

[low rain]

Next week I have to say a speech in front of my whole school when I can barely talk to a waiter

[sand moth]

just imagine the audience naked

[mild elm]

Just do it

Know what you’re saying

[tender wyvern]

I don’t think the metaverse will become mainstream for a long long time

[sand moth]

that or imagine the waiter naked. that might be more appealing to you

[tender wyvern]

For the metaverse to become mainstream they

1. Need to make it the size of a pair of sunglasses
2. Make the battery last all day
3. Make it cost around $800

Which I’m not sure will ever happen

[sand moth]

if that's what it'll take couldn't someone just repurpose the google glass design with 2023 level tech?

[stray apex]

I doubt the metaverse will be mainstream ever

I don't know a single person who gives half a shit about the metaverse

Imo apple's AR/MR vision is vastly more compelling than meta's metaverse concept

[sand moth]

how will the zuck smoke his meats if you don't buy product

[full fossil]

After giving it a bit more thought I'm assuming that the Apple Vision Pro will most likely be purchased in bulk by large corporations like engineering and architecture firms for their employees and I'd imagine interest from university's too to either have in their labs or loan out to students. I can't really imagine this being used in high schools as A: Most schools don't have the funding to afford this for there Labs and B: There aren't many situations where this would even be useful in that environment. I can imagine that a few people will buy this but because of the price, most "normal" people won't be able to afford this.

[graceful burrow]

that sure is the general conclusion

[sand moth]

giving high schoolers a $3499 thing that you can't securely tie sounds like a great idea

[full fossil]

I said for their labs

[stray apex]

Yeah, high schoolers won't get this unless it's a really wealthy school

[tender wyvern]

Xr goggles won’t be mainstream either until those 3 things happen

[full fossil]

Although I'd put my money that atleast one wealthy private school will loan these out to students

[stray apex]

Apple will probably release something cheaper and better in a couple years anyways, though

[tender wyvern]

Can’t take them to school if they last only 2 hours

[full fossil]

If they can release something for $1,499 that is more targeted to media consumption and gaming then I'd imagine more people would be interested

[tender wyvern]

Quest pro:

[stray apex]

I mean, you'll be able to just use a power bank

An apple employee apparently confirmed at wwdc that it also charges through usb-c so

[full fossil]

I'd imagine apple would do a better job

[stray apex]

If you wanna bring a chungus power bank it'll probably work

[stray apex]

Quest pro is worse

[tender wyvern]

Idk mkbhd’s demo of its XR had me impressed

[stray apex]

The pass through on the VP is apparently better than the Varjo, the former best

And the UX is apparently super slick and intuitive

Those two things alone mean it's already much better than the quest pro

[tender wyvern]

Anyway point is the quest pro isn’t wildly popular either

[stray apex]

Yeah, because nobody likes meta's vision

[tender wyvern]

AI is cooler than xr anyway change my mind

[full fossil]

Imagine the remote work applications. You could be reviewing a architectural project with a colleague 1000 miles apart together in real time. Maybe this will appeal to companies as currently remote work makes everything take longer

[stray apex]

AI is cool in some ways, but XR will change how we interact with technology

Both are probably revolutionary

[tender wyvern]

You can also do that on a computer

Everything you can do on these xr goggles you can do, on a computer

It’s just projecting the computer screens into your reality is it not

[stray apex]

No, the point is the 3d stuff

[full fossil]

Yes but I meant that you could veiw it in 3d with a colleague by your side.

[stray apex]

Well
They would at minimum also need the headset

[tender wyvern]

I don’t think a saw a demo of something like that at the event

Even the gaming demo they were starting at a flat screen

Which I thought was really weird

[full fossil]

Imagine the 3d gaming experiences that could come out of this, god I wish apple gave a shit about gaming

[tender wyvern]

They should’ve compared the AR tabletop games you find on iPhone and show how less clunky the experiences are with the headset

I’m sure you will be able to play those games on this thing

There’s 100s that already exist so

[full fossil]

Imagine 3d chess lol

[tender wyvern]

AR chess already does exist, on the iPhone App Store

[full fossil]

100 games means nothing if all of them are indie titles

[tender wyvern]

Im sure they can be easily adapted to fit the controls of this new device

If not then apple is dumb

They should make it as easy as possible for devs to transition their games over

[full fossil]

Apparently they shortened the porting time from a few months to days with a new devkit. They didn't talk a whole lot about it though

[tender wyvern]

And one last thing I’m a little bit confused by about this product is the battery pack

Does it just hang off you adding weight to one side?

Seems uncomfortable to me

[stray apex]

Gaming has never been a major focus for apple

[stray apex]

You're supposed to just put it in a pocket

[tender wyvern]

What if your trousers don’t have pockets

Design flaw

[stray apex]

Simply be a man

[tender wyvern]

They should’ve just made the thing thicker and added it to the headset

[stray apex]

No
Comfort is king

[tender wyvern]

The quest pro has the battery at the back iirc

Atleast ios 17 has many QOL improvements

[dense shard]

Is there a self promo channel?

[graceful burrow]

nope

it can cause burn-in

that's not just an oled thing, every type of display can suffer from burn in

if you're talking about the standby mode where the screen shuts off, that's fine

[dense quail]

That apple presentation was hilarious

The part where the guy is watching his kids playing sat in an empty room is like something out of a bad Black Mirror episode

If Apple doesn't prove that evil mega corporations from SCI-FI stuff can exist and people are completely cool with it. I love it

[dull granite]

yer moms' a boykisser

[thin fjord]

[slim mirage]

anyone familar with dc step up boards?

[dull granite]

and the boy she was kissing was ME!!!

[thin fjord]

[warm egret]

https://twitter.com/JezCorden/status/1665774497226424321?t=OM8gADk9rQBb92zNLMC6ow&s=19

Price doesn't go down, also apple managed to convince apple Fanboys that Android users are bad

[mint yacht]

Boost converters?

[slim mirage]

Yeah them also wtf has discord done to the UI

[mint yacht]

Broke it ofc

[slim mirage]

Half of the UI is off the screen

[long briar]

image retention ≠ burn in, lcd image retention is temporary

[slim mirage]

It can still happen just not as common

[formal plank]

Hold on LTT, I must releases gasses from my body, otherwise known as a fart

Ahhh, all out 💨

[slim mirage]

Cheers for that

[manic torrent]

Yep

[unkempt widget]

https://dontasktoask.com moment

[manic torrent]

I was just outside in the dark and wet (but not raining now) working on my stupid battery terminals and power distribution

[unkempt widget]

what for?

btw is your crane done?

[manic torrent]

For to get power reliably.

[unkempt widget]

yeah, i totally understand what's going on here

[manic torrent]

Crane is not done, crane is on hold due to mental illness causing loss of job, causing for searching of job. Been writing code and working on the car to sell instead

[unkempt widget]

rip

[graceful burrow]

Ah cool thanks FedEx real cool

[vapid smelt]

Did you really buy a 4070ti?

[graceful burrow]

Not for me

I'm just the builder

[dense quail]

That's the air hole for the little gremlins that live inside the GPU dumbass