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[restive fox]

Ooh oke thx for helping guys

[fossil frost]

i have a bunch of these in 32gb... they are fast, they work well... but fuck me they get fucking HOT when they are being used heavily https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B015CH1JIW

[slate tulip]

And you are in violation of the licensing terms

Section 5 of the Software License Terms for Windows 10 states the following: “You are authorized to use this software only if you are properly licensed and the software has been properly activated with a genuine product key or by other authorized method”.

[fossil frost]

what is that 3rd party win11 edition that is ultra-small and light weight?

[dull granite]

yo

ghostrunner II announced

also game from journey creators called 'sword of the sea'

[meager kraken]

Not anymore iirc

[dull granite]

yo and gris 2?

wow the chat in this stream is really fucked up, they spam 'zzz' when games that aren't going to be an AAA disaster are being trailer'ed

[full fossil]

Tiny 11?

[fossil frost]

ty

trying to find something similar that will strip down an already installed win11 install

[dull granite]

lmao, square enix's game and cinematic trailers looks so diffrent lmao

thier splatoon clone looks so shit lmao

[slate tulip]

Tbh, i don’t have a lot of issues with the base windows install. It’s usually other shit on top of that that’s annoying. Razer wants their startup app, Logitech wants theirs, my mobo wants their, etc

So annoying

[fossil frost]

im trying to install win11 on a super old laptop for my nephew, and it runs like crap, so i need to remove as much crap as i can that i know he wont use

[slate tulip]

Ah, good luck with that. I assume you aren’t using linux for reasons?

[dull granite]

wyugwyfugq METAL GEAR SNAKE EATER REMASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fossil frost]

because hes 9 and i want him to be able to do stuff on it that requires windows only software for school

[slate tulip]

Gotcha, that makes sense

[silver raft]

I'm sending my pc back to the repair team to get it checked about it's bootlooping status

@dreamy rose can back me up on how fucked the pc was

They're the only ones with the warranty power to replace or repair my pc parts

[silver raft]

Why win11?

[south stone]

4060ti dropped to $299 ?

[silver raft]

That's fake news

Green team would never stoop so low for their loyal customers, if anything it's at 398$ with a random steam game code

[summer folio]

If you thought generation Z was stupid, just wait until Generation Alpha have fully transition into outsourcing all of their cognitive thinking to the AI™.

[dull granite]

tf is generation alpha

[tired glade]

Isn't that after Victoria?

[fierce moth]

People born after 2010 iirc

[slate tulip]

is there not a rule about having your profile picture be a picture of Linus in the LTT discord? I'm surprised if there isn't

[fierce moth]

Nah

Never been told off for it, plus id think it would be easy to tell if it's a fake

[fossil frost]

even if its not against the rules, it just seems odd... i dont get it

[slate tulip]

I mean, it's not my discord. I don't care. I'm just surprised that they don't care

but then, I don't understand people who have random models or chicks as their profile pictures either

[jaunty compass]

does anyone with floatplane know if shankmods has a bunch of floatplane exclusive content

[dull granite]

isn't that gen z too

[slate tulip]

unless they think they'll get better quality assistance or something

but I assume everyone is a faceless non-person until corrected otherwise

in the words for the famous goodburger - "I'm a dude, he's a dude, she's a dude, were all dudes yeah"

[fossil frost]

i just dont see anybody as a person at all 🙂

you are all amoeba to me

[slate tulip]

that's a-you-uh to you!

[fierce moth]

thats when it ended

well my life morals is treat people with how you want to be treated

[fossil frost]

i tried that, it didnt work, people are still arseholes, so i stopped bothering

[fierce moth]

then treat them like assholes

[slate tulip]

you could. But if might be helpful to realize that a lot of people were never shown kindness, empathy, or compassion, so they might not know there is a different way to be and to act. It might be worth teaching them, just to add a little bit extra into the world

[full fossil]

2 GPU reviews in a row?

[jaunty compass]

i just got a framework newsletter email and this is exciting
the framework 16" has a 2560x1600 pannel and VRR up to 165hz

100% dci-p3 color coverage

it's not touchscreen but the framework 16" has a board capable of using touchscreens in the future once they make one

[stoic beacon]

Ah...now that actually changes things

[jaunty compass]

1500:1 contrast and 500 nit peak brightness

this is from the framework 16" display deep dive email they just sent out 10 minutes ago

they've also made it so your display cable can be swapped from either side in the 16" so if you're removing the display to put a touchscreen one in in the future or something it's a bit faster

[fossil frost]

wtf, just noticed certain text looks black rather than grey when i wear my glasses vs not wearing them

[jaunty compass]

funky

[fossil frost]

stupid eyeballs

[jaunty compass]

my glasses have a blue light filter coating

[fossil frost]

my fiances glasses have an anti glare coating, plus a hardness coating too :S and, her prescription is fucking nuts 😄 like -8 in one eye and -7.5 in the other

[vapid smelt]

Is that your secret to getting women, finding ones that are super hard of seeing?

[fossil frost]

100%

[near granite]

Guys, what about videocard Rtx 4060 ti? is this a good video card?

[stray apex]

Not really

[near granite]

What do you mean?

[molten drift]

I love my mom... She got me three commander decks (100 card fully ready to play out the box ) for my birthday and gave me them 3 weeks early.

[stray apex]

in a vacuum it's like... fine

it'll play video games

[echo canopy]

Get RDNA2 cards unless the 4060ti is cheaper in its power bill.
Unless you care about nvidia features and in that case get a 4060ti? idk

[stray apex]

you can probably buy better gpus for $400 though

[near granite]

Ohh

[vapid smelt]

In harder hitting games it sucks

[stray apex]

that's a bit of an outlier
overall it's a faster GPU

[vapid smelt]

In normal games 1080p it's like a 3070

[stray apex]

on average, it's around a 3070

[echo canopy]

its prob because it was hitting the 8GB limit of the 4060ti

[stray apex]

yeah, and the bandwidth is worse so

the 4070 is also somehow slower than the 6800 there

so it hogwarts legacy probably just needs a shitload of vram bandwidth

[vapid smelt]

Amd favoured title I guess

[near granite]

Yea, i checked video on YouTube

[stray apex]

most games don't really act that way

[near granite]

128 bit

[near granite]

Minimum 12gb need for Hogwarts

[echo canopy]

RT is even worse, 16 min

[near granite]

Ok thx for advice

[stray apex]

eh
sort of?
3070 at 8gb outperforms the 6700xt which has more vram

[vapid smelt]

More and more games will be unoptimized and will devour vram so its hard to recommend the 4060ti

[echo canopy]

its also because texture sizes are exploding and we need better texture compression schemes/formats

[gilded quest]

So we should spend more money because publishers are impatient and rush games out instead of letting developers finish them?

[dreamy rose]

why are you asking questions like this. Reviews are Bad.

so dont buy the thing. simple

[lucid echo]

Nah, just pull a Nier Automata and never actually finish the port

[stray apex]

hey, they finished it sort of eventually

it just took several years

[near granite]

ok, i just ask, because the price between rtx 3060 ti and rtx 4060 ti the same

[dreamy rose]

if you want a card for those prices then get the 7600.

or even the 6700

[stray apex]

4060ti is better

an rx6700xt is probably cheaper though

[versed lodge]

I have a 3050 Right now im trying to get better frames in fortnite what gpu should I get?? for a low price?

[molten drift]

6800xt

[sick jungle]

Hey, does anyone have an ASUS ROG monitor that has their VESA adapter? And if so, which part number or link to it? I can't seem to find it for some reason. I'm just an idiot

[dreamy rose]

low end Nvidia is just pointless if you want cheap buy a Radeon.

not like any CUDA or RT workloads are gonna work well on it anyway,

[graceful burrow]

What Linux distro do you use

[dreamy rose]

its just paying more for a name

[ebon otter]

Is buying a used router from eBay a bad idea?

[dreamy rose]

probably

[molten drift]

I can't wait to get out of work today and spend time with my mom.

[stray apex]

does your mom also play mtg

[molten drift]

She does not

But we have reverse schedules I work 1130-8 and she works 8-2 so I don't see her often.

[slate tulip]

Awww, that’s good

I’m going to try to see my mom soon, finally got my insurance fixed

[jovial kindle]

An IT security audit can help ensure your company is meeting all technical requirements mandated in your regulatory environment

[slate tulip]

But who audits the auditors?

[jovial kindle]

Dunno, copy and pasted this from a LinkedIn post

[dreamy rose]

chatGPT

[jovial kindle]

No, it was from a LinkedIn post

[slate tulip]

Why? What’s the context? I scroll up and see people talking about moms, MtG, and video cards

[jovial kindle]

What's the context of mom's and video cards?

I don't even think my mom knows I have a gaming computer

[dreamy rose]

Suzi wants to spend time with their mum and someone asked about the 4060Ti

[jovial kindle]

Ok

Yall are just regulars so I don't really need to explain to you the importance of IT security and mandated regulations

[molten drift]

Anyone else excited for summer games done quick.

I hope they raise alot of money for doctors without borders

[dreamy rose]

Bradley knows not to shove his eyes in random things, now hes ruined VR Headsets for himself lmao

[full fossil]

Did you know most modern elevators run on windows xp

[earnest bolt]

Just had to fucking undo 7 hours of work on a custom loop because I managed to lose the AM4 bracket clip thingies for the CPU block

[dreamy rose]

some ATM systems still run OS/2 / Windows XP

[earnest bolt]

I'm tired boss.

[full fossil]

Embeded im sure

[dreamy rose]

if Windows CE was a full desktop on the dreamcast that would of been kinda interesting

[full fossil]

True

It was on xbox as well

Imagine if xbox had a desktop

[dreamy rose]

the dashboard is kinda the same thing just more like Big Picture

[polar fern]

CE was more of a “iot” before that was a thing from my understanding. More device management vs “an computer”

[full fossil]

Ok

[rough birch]

Hello.

[polar fern]

Ahoy

[rough birch]

(._.) I'm really forgetting basic conversation things now wow

[rugged bridge]

My poor server pc is begging me to restart it for updates

[full fossil]

Don’t listen to them

[rugged bridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/381193783296917507/1111082390174044241/image.png

[long briar]

Physics says that 120mm can't outperform air.

[full fossil]

They just wanna add more data collection and uselessness

[long briar]

There's literally less surface area for dissipation

[full fossil]

The voices

[rugged bridge]

116 day uptime tho

not too shabby

[rough birch]

I'm too spiteful to not downgrade tbh. The random win10 pop-ups on my win7 laptops were too much

[full fossil]

Imagine if they did this on servers 😆😆😆

[tepid jasper]

idk unless u need an 120mm aio because ur building an itx system that will only allow for that why would u get one

[full fossil]

Im going back to xp tbh

[tepid jasper]

like that's just added mechanical complexity and greater risk in the event of catastrophic failure

[rough birch]

I refuse to believe it's just chrome that killed it tbh

[rough birch]

Same

[rugged bridge]

lol
im annoyed that when i set that pc up i didnt install windows server on it
cause its just running windows home lol

[rugged bridge]

bro take me back to days of buying the disc to install service packs

[full fossil]

You still can

[rough birch]

Also idk if I'm just weak but does anybody else gave trouble unscrewing the back of an Acer laptop? (_I doubt there's a warranty on a 10+ yr old laptop btw)

Or is this the wrong chat for that srry

[dreamy rose]

well a lot of stuff relies on chrome. Firefox doesnt like it either.

[south stone]

We were spoiled with the 6800/xt

At the time they were the same price as a 3070 (in my country) and everyone was like "6800 is 3070, 6800xt matches 3080-ish"

[full fossil]

Idk why microsoft was like

Thats it guys no more xp

[dreamy rose]

first time my Travelmate 5760G gave me a few issues. its been fine since,

[south stone]

No wonder amd can't really release anything "mid tier" for the 7x00, when their last gen cards are still pretty up to current gen.

[dreamy rose]

it was supported for 13 years.

[full fossil]

People should just remake xp but support it forever

[dreamy rose]

ReactOS.

[rough birch]

Tbh I just remember always using 7 whenever I used windows....

Now that I think on that my school was really behind on updates

[full fossil]

We had vista at home but my school hated it and stayed on xp

Until my last few years of elementary

[dreamy rose]

i think my school had Vista but moved to 10. it was only a year they had it so i don't remember exactly.

this was like 2015 too so.

[rough birch]

I think I still have the install disk for 7 somewhere so going back ain't a problem I think but if I can run Minecraft with only 4gb of ram on Windows 10 of all things then it ain't a problem for them. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[full fossil]

They made a deal with Apple my early years of middle school

And went back to dell my highschool years

[dreamy rose]

common in the 90's early 2000s but they realized PCs are more important i guess.

[echo canopy]

they realized you didnt need a high end desktop for microsoft word.

[full fossil]

They had both in highschool

[gilded quest]

I need a 4090 for PowerPoint

[full fossil]

Apple just dropped the contract

No free repairs

[echo canopy]

I need a 7950X to run my virtual machine written in powerpoint

[dreamy rose]

last year i was at that school they replaced the Projectors with Apple TV and immediately had more problems turning it on and connecting.

[timid meadow]

Anyone know why GN uses a 1060 and 1660 in his charts? Then skips to 20 series? I keep looking for a 1070 or 1080 and he just doesnt seem to compare stuff against them.

[echo canopy]

thats just a school being dumb.

[dreamy rose]

Sure. but VGA is also practically plug and play.

[echo canopy]

anything is better then pascel by such a large margin it does not really matter. Hes mentioned this sentiment in several videos.
The only reason the 1060 is in there is because its still the most popular card last time i checked on steam.

[dreamy rose]

the 1650 is topping it but the 1060 is faster. and second most popular

[rough birch]

As much as I want to see how much not throttled my phone's wifi is now I'm scared to see that it might just be slightly slower or something

If I think anymore I might panic

[dreamy rose]

you mean mobile data?

[rough birch]

Too late

[rough birch]

No

Well yes and no, I try not to use data

[full fossil]

Surprised that no one spams the airdrop

I did at my nieces graduation

[dreamy rose]

Wifi and Mobile data aren't the same thing. sure Mobile Data gets you on the internet but not the same as Wifi.

[full fossil]

They were using a mac

[dreamy rose]

this is a primary school.

[full fossil]

Middle high?

[pliant karma]

lol same for the imacs on my campus. It's a game of figuring out which imac you are at.

[dreamy rose]

the kids didnt have phones in class. some at all.

[pliant karma]

so I usually mass send it and hope it gets to one

[dreamy rose]

its Australia so we don't have that stupid middle school deal. we have primary and high.

prep-6 and 7-12

[full fossil]

Bro if you leave your airdrop on prepare for some top tier trolling

💀

[dreamy rose]

though my high school has seperate campuses for 7-9 and 10-12.

[pliant karma]

airdop on is always a given top tier troll. I mess with people like that too

[dreamy rose]

can you guess which campus gets better funding?

[slim barn]

In the UK we don't have that stupid primary/high deal.

Primary 4-11 and Secondary 12-16

[pliant karma]

[rough birch]

I know that thoguh??? I just meant wifi? Besides I don't really do much that I'm not on a wifi network...

[full fossil]

Bro about to see someones balls 💀💀💀

[mellow swallow]

should i get a770 16gb for av1 or 6700 xt because according to gamers nexus charts they are almost equal

[dreamy rose]

theres ppl out there that'd call it "Phone Wifi"

[rough birch]

Lmao I remember getting sent memes in class

Rip

[dreamy rose]

6700XT unless AV1 is crucial to your usecase.

[mellow swallow]

i mean i stream on youtube so av1 should help

[dreamy rose]

likely.

again up to you if you want better software or AV1.

[echo canopy]

I mean its (AV1) not that much better then HEVC streaming.

[mellow swallow]

im fine with intel drivers

i mean they are way better than 9 months ago

[dreamy rose]

ARCs software is pretty crap still.

[mellow swallow]

yeah i know

but to me its alright for 1st gen

[echo canopy]

its really not. the rx 6700xt is just better.

[dreamy rose]

its technically not even 1st gen at this point. they tried gpus in the late 90s.

[echo canopy]

they also tried compute accelerator cards already

[mellow swallow]

the only reason i want arc is av1

[echo canopy]

use HEVC on the rx 6700XT. Youtube supports it and the quality is not that much worse then AV1 ||sometimes its even better||

[dreamy rose]

is that really the ONLY reason?

[mellow swallow]

Yes

other than that 6700 xt all the way

[slim barn]

Doesn't the 4000 series also have AV1 encoding?

[mellow swallow]

.....

[echo canopy]

yes, but nvidia

[rough birch]

YouTube allows streaming in hvec? When was that?

[dreamy rose]

so if AV1 has less benefits then you'd go radeon?

[echo canopy]

IDK but it does. https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/live/guides/ingestion-protocol-comparison

[mellow swallow]

yes

[dreamy rose]

irrelevant to the discussion this is Intel vs AMD

[rough birch]

('-' ) huh..

[slim barn]

I was asking a question. not making a suggestion. Not irrelevant.

[dreamy rose]

AMD has better support for any DX10 and 9 games, Intel has to convert all that to Vulkan.

[echo canopy]

You would get better performance if you use DXVK on amd too.

[dreamy rose]

if you go into playing older games keep that in mind.

[echo canopy]

anything running on DX9 will run fine on intel, they use DXVK for that now

[teal estuary]

DX10 is a strict subset of DX11, so either DX11 is too, or DX10 isn't

[mellow swallow]

I mean if HEVC is the same then I really have no reason for a770 16gb other than more vram but like doesnt matter, not like the 6700xt has 8gb vram

[echo canopy]

dx 10 and 11.

[dreamy rose]

DXVK isn't exactly a replacement for proper support though.

[echo canopy]

like i said get the rx 6700xt lol

[mellow swallow]

me on linux needing it to run games:

[echo canopy]

It is.

[dreamy rose]

yeah. so go for the 6700XT and enjoy it.

[teal estuary]

why not? its vaguely the same thing as what the driver would be anyway

[dreamy rose]

basically a cheat.

[echo canopy]

Its not?

[teal estuary]

thats half of anything your computer is running, so, i fail to see how its a bad thing

[echo canopy]

that would be like saying a driver converting DX calls to hardware specifc bytecode is a cheat

[teal estuary]

^

[mellow swallow]

i have used it to run dx9/dx10 on linux soo

[dreamy rose]

Linux is different because its a different platform. that's not MS and doesn't support DX.

[mellow swallow]

SO you need DXVK

[dreamy rose]

we are talking Windows here not Linux.

[rough birch]

<(☆o☆)/ it's so much faster

[full fossil]

we are talking about Linus Tech Tips

[echo canopy]

If it works on linux it works on DXVK and thats all games without anticheat. Im sure games with anticheat still run fine

[mellow swallow]

and i use it so to me its relevant

[mellow swallow]

no.

[teal estuary]

how is it bad for intel to use DXVK though?

who cares if its a "cheat" or whatever, how is it bad

[mellow swallow]

dont ask me

[echo canopy]

Its not, if anything its less code to maintaine

[dreamy rose]

they should already have their own Support via igpus.

[mellow swallow]

its not!

[teal estuary]

ahh, yes, this entirely different GPU that has very different performance characteristics, they should use the drivers from that?

[echo canopy]

Its a entirely different uarch. They have to write it all again for arc.

[teal estuary]

porting that driver would be like running Nvidia's driver on AMD hardware, its not going to happen

[dreamy rose]

so be it. its better than relying on someone else's project entirely.

[teal estuary]

and not just because of licensing reasons

[echo canopy]

how is using someone else code that gives better performance for everyone a worse idea?

[mellow swallow]

at least intel drivers are open source from what i heard

[teal estuary]

do you have any idea how much code relies on someone else's project?

[dreamy rose]

on Windows?

[echo canopy]

linux only and not their media engine drivers.

[mellow swallow]

no

[teal estuary]

the entire fucking internet does, thx linux

[mellow swallow]

i knew that

[teal estuary]

also, most browsers, with chromium, and a bunch of desktop apps like discord (electron, which is chromium based)

[echo canopy]

DXVK and Vulkan good, reject DX < 12

[mellow swallow]

and chromium is oss

[echo canopy]

isnt chrome OS gentoo based?

[teal estuary]

we dont talke about chromeos

oh, android too, did Google steal Linus' code to make android?

[timid meadow]

Chrome os 😡

[mellow swallow]

yes

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/ChromeOS

[dreamy rose]

ChromeOS is the gate to the year of the linux desktop. Why? because is shipped in box.

[teal estuary]

half the point of it being open source was so that it could be used, like intel is doing

[echo canopy]

so is ubuntu and fedora.

[teal estuary]

and, heres the fun part, if intel is using it, they are also going to be contributing to it too

[dreamy rose]

they arent. not at all.

[mellow swallow]

uh system76 laptops

[echo canopy]

they are, so is pop os with system76

[teal estuary]

if chromeos is fine for someone, ubuntu is just as fine

both come with a browser pre-installed, everything anyone could possibly need

[dreamy rose]

if they were here wouldn't be only 1-2% of linux markeshare on deskop

[dreamy rose]

they are niche.

[echo canopy]

arch isnt on anything nativly afaik and its the majority of linux installs

[dreamy rose]

a better argument would be Ubuntu versions of the XPS.

[stray apex]

that seems unlikely, given the sheer number of chomebooks schools deploy

[echo canopy]

arch is good.

[dreamy rose]

Steam Deck

[timid meadow]

Arch is as bad as the user. Pebcak

[echo canopy]

its not that

[dreamy rose]

SteamOS is Arch based.

[mellow swallow]

its for advanced users and msot times the system breaks of USER error

[echo canopy]

Yes, however thats not why arch is the #1 gaming distro

[graceful burrow]

Catch me on my steam deck enjoying arch

[timid meadow]

Again, PEBCAK. Partially bc i like the word, but also bc it applies to me and plenty of us too

[graceful burrow]

How does it not
It's arch

It's based on arch
Does Manjaro not count?

[dreamy rose]

thats why it will be. because its selling really good.

[graceful burrow]

Is Ubuntu not Debian based because it's Ubuntu?

[echo canopy]

want to waste your time? use some esoteric distro no body fucking uses or deal with the bullshit that is ubuntu or fedora.
if you actually wanna make a point use a real fucking argument

[mellow swallow]

no

[graceful burrow]

Java = dead language
Opinion rejected

[dreamy rose]

if KDE Neon is Ubuntu based it is sill Debian.

[mellow swallow]

still ubuntu is debian based

based

[graceful burrow]

Based

[timid meadow]

Is arch even considered a distro? Isnt it technically on a higher level of classification like "debian"?

[dreamy rose]

linux mint has a Debian version.

[graceful burrow]

Exactly

[dreamy rose]

its considered one of the "Base Distros"

something people build their distro upon.

[timid meadow]

Thats where i was going with that ye. Thanks

[echo canopy]

Technically distros don't exist and only package repos.
debain also has strict versions?

[mellow swallow]

yes

[dreamy rose]

the only thing base distros are are release cycles and Package managers.

[mellow swallow]

but true

[timid meadow]

Technically correct is the best kind of correct tho

[echo canopy]

The point is defining what a distro is is a stupid endeavor

[timid meadow]

Fair

[dreamy rose]

its easy to do but ppl disagree to be annoying and its a mess.

[echo canopy]

do it then smart ass

[strange elk]

[timid meadow]

Isnt there a distro chart floating around somewhere that tries to? I dont have a link offhand but it was like a family tree but for linux with arch and debian and stuff near the top

[dreamy rose]

"a distro is a custom OS based upon the Linux kernel"
Basic, to the point, and factually correct. covers everything.

[dreamy rose]

absolutely thats on Wikipedia i believe.

[dreamy rose]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions

[timid meadow]

Oh fuck ive only seen snippets of the image. Thats huge XD

[echo canopy]

okay, so where does arch stop and debain begin?

[dreamy rose]

it begins with their Package management and then their release cycles. Debian runs older stuff while Arch is bleeding edge and always updating. "Distro" has been defined. the differences don't matter in a general definition.

[echo canopy]

arch isnt bleeding edge

[dreamy rose]

it is. it updates the fastest. only thing Gentoo does over arch is make you compile everything yourself.

[echo canopy]

only thing Gentoo does over arch is make you compile everything yourself.
Gentoo also supports binary blobs. How else do you think they get nvidia drivers?

and i didnt know that actually keeping your software up to date was bleeding edge

[dreamy rose]

thats a funny distro name "Damn Vulnerable Linux"

[dreamy rose]

Arch gets Nvidia drivers too.

[grim ether]

I've found myself a problem

[wispy marsh]

To be a problem*

[echo canopy]

I never said otherwise, just that gentoo does not force you to compile

[grim ether]

So I have a full desk mousepad and I just got a new monitor mount that mounts from the edge of my desk to the monitor. However part of the clamp gets in the way of the mousepad. Can I mount the monitor stand to clamp down onto the mousepad?

[dreamy rose]

ok then install base Gentoo without compiling a single piece of software.

[grim ether]

Like is it okay to have the big mousepad in between the desk and mount

Sandwiched

[echo canopy]

No distro can do that. nvidia drivers have kernel moduals you have to compile still and its shiped as a "binary blob".

kekw

[wispy marsh]

It'll most likely destroy that part of the mousepad.

[grim ether]

$15 giant mousepad that's ok

[wispy marsh]

Think of it as squishing a piece of cheese inbetween your palms

[timid meadow]

may as well just cutout a section for the mount at that point

[grim ether]

Well it's fabric

So I don't want it to unravel if I cut it

[blazing lily]

LTT should make a new channel called just the tips where it’s just YouTube shorts of pc advice

[wispy marsh]

I'm advising for you to not waste money

[dreamy rose]

thats basically Techquickie but a different kind of content.

[wispy marsh]

$15 is money, too

[grim ether]

Well I'm not wasting it, this is to be more or less permanent

[rough birch]

$ == $

What is happened?

[wispy marsh]

No worries. I too, like to seek and destroy

[grim ether]

My 3 options are:

Cutting it
Sandwich mousepad
Remove mousepad altogether

[wispy marsh]

hetfield riffs

[echo canopy]

#1 Disable Windows Defender

[wispy marsh]

Hang your monitors on the wall

[grim ether]

Doesn't work with my setup 😦

I would otherwise

[wispy marsh]

Shift your mousepad down and have it hang off the table

[blazing lily]

I want it to be called just the tip

[grim ether]

L shaped desk, would be fugly

[wispy marsh]

Use your mousepad on the L side and buy a new one

[grim ether]

I was actually just thinking this lol

[rough birch]

Tbh my idea setup is just Lain iwakura's room

[wispy marsh]

When it starts growing mushrooms, swap it out and wash it

[grim ether]

Well I could use it as a cover for my desk while soldering

[wispy marsh]

Having a clean mousepad for

[grim ether]

Was only $15

[wispy marsh]

DO NOT use your mousepad for soldering

[grim ether]

No I have a big silicon mat

[rough birch]

Use lamp

[grim ether]

But this would be in between silicon mat and desk

Layered like this:

Cast iron plate (used for helping hands and splatter)

Silicon mat
Mousepad
Wood desk

[wispy marsh]

Put it at the L

[long briar]

I used to do that, but It got really annoying how it stretched the pad around it so I just put it on top

but yes it's ok

[grim ether]

Put the pad on top of the clamp?

[sage pagoda]

That Homeowners Association thing sucks. Why does it exist?

[long briar]

yes, for my case it's not edge to edge so it's workable

[grim ether]

Problem with that is it makes a giant bubble on my desk lol

From the mousepad being propped up

[long briar]

clamping the pad in between will probably be fine (at least my experience with the ltt deskpad)

[manic torrent]

no, that will be worse

[grim ether]

Hmm alright

[grim ether]

If I could I would, but it's stitched

[manic torrent]

The answer is always wallmount

[grim ether]

Lol I just bought a desk mount because I can't wall mount

[long briar]

so much work

I just wallmounted my ultrawide today and honestly, I made a mistake

[grim ether]

And not viable if the wall isn't behind the monitor lol

[long briar]

Just get a floor stand smh

[manic torrent]

hardly.

[errant birch]

I'm a 3D Modeling and Simulations engineer. I like my monitor setup but I don't love it. I want to go for the "tie fighter" layout, except I want the verts to match the height of my main display. Buying all new monitors. Center must be a 4K 144 htz panel, no smaller than 32". $2000 budget.

[long briar]

I used one that was made for TVs because it was the cheapest and forgot to get one that can tilt

[manic torrent]

Just whip up one of these.

[manic torrent]

My 48" is mounted on a fully adjustable arm

[long briar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/796534638981677128/1111105673669918801/IMG_20230524_193659.jpg

[manic torrent]

oh god that's hideous

[long briar]

yea

I might buy a proper arm and mount later

and cut the losses and toss/flip this one

as for cables the cover hasn't arrived

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61DYNMhdzmL._AC_SL1500_.jpg

probably grab one of these

just for my own sanity

[manic torrent]

yeah I have similar ones

I have a LOT of mounting hardware for various things.

[long briar]

usernamechecksout

[jaunty compass]

the deck linux experience is surprisingly capable

if i didn't know this were running on a handheld i wouldn't guess that at all tbh

[wispy marsh]

Oh, you don't mean SteamOS

[rugged bridge]

floatplane support team 11/10

[manic torrent]

steamos desktop mode, yes

[manic torrent]

0/10 no blue name

[rugged bridge]

fr
i haven't been watching ltt enough lately for it to be worth it lol

[long briar]

fp isnt just ltt tho

[dreamy rose]

thats KDE. KDE is the best desktop experience on the planet

[long briar]

it just happens to be owned by ltt

[dreamy rose]

big picture is great too

[rugged bridge]

im aware, i kinda mean in general, i haven't been watching much content lately for it to be worth it

[sage pagoda]

Hi folks

[dreamy rose]

Ivycomb is on Floatplane, hes a cool dude
"was that a bees?" - Jimmy Here

[jaunty compass]

i more meant the hardware

for general desktop usage

[dreamy rose]

the hardware is great its just that SteamOS is the star of the show.

it'd be shitter if it ran Windows as standard. and its the problem with the Ally

[jaunty compass]

the ally has quite a few problems but windows is definitely the worst one

[stray apex]

Windows is the point

It gives it better game compatability

[jaunty compass]

i'm aware

[dreamy rose]

the hardware is the point of the ally not windows.

[stray apex]

And considering that many of the most popular games on the market are not on steam

[jaunty compass]

personally I haven't run in to a single game that doesn't work on my deck that i actually play

[stray apex]

Yeah, and that's great, but many of the most popular games are multiplayer pvp

Which generally won't run on steamos to anticheat issues

[graceful burrow]

Most of em do

[long briar]

do yall remember why steam machines didn't take off?

[graceful burrow]

There are some that don't

[dreamy rose]

anticheat issues caused by DEVELOPERS not Linux.

[gilded quest]

too expensive
steamos wasn't there yet
alienware

[stray apex]

Shit compatability

[graceful burrow]

No proton, and devs didn't support Linux at all back then
Along with shit hardware at a hefty price

[stray apex]

If Linux was more popular for gaming, developers would probably support it
It isn't though, so...

[graceful burrow]

All major anticheat systems support Linux it's just up to the devs to check a box when they compile

[long briar]

aside from alienware... this is kinda the issue with steam deck atm still

[dreamy rose]

coulda been fine with the price premium if Proton was there.

[long briar]

It's obv far better nowadays

[graceful burrow]

Eh
Hardware even for the time was outdated and low power

[gilded quest]

how is steam deck too expensive?
$400 is competitive with current gen consoles

[dreamy rose]

its not Linuxes fault its the developers, read up.

[gilded quest]

Steam Machines were what, twice the price of a PS4 and XBone?

[vapid smelt]

the steamdeck is a amazing value

[jaunty compass]

personally most of the popular competitive multiplayer games are things I would realistically never play; and i don't buy games with kernel level anticheat either

[long briar]

steam machines started at 500...

[stray apex]

It is, in a way, the fault of the many groups which develop Linux that their distros are not accessible or user friendly enough to see mainstream use

[rustic grove]

there is a fucking spider in my roon and oh fuck it just disappeared

[jaunty compass]

so i run into essentially no compatibility issues in steam OS

[gilded quest]

and ps4s were regularly on sale for what, $250?

[long briar]

idk, they're like 20 bucks used now

[dreamy rose]

its the fault of Microsoft, OEMs and Developers that linux isnt mainstream.

[long briar]

It's the fault of microsoft for being successful

[jaunty compass]

(a lot of anticompetitive behavior)

[dreamy rose]

KDE and GNOME have been perfectly functional Desktops for a long time.

[stray apex]

Not around Linux lmao

[long briar]

no?

[dreamy rose]

and other shootoffs like XFCE and MATE too

[stray apex]

At this point windows has a built in Linux vm

[rustic grove]

i just shot the spider with a bb gun

[long briar]

I've put a hole in a wall with a nerf gun before!!!

yes it was modded

[dreamy rose]

PAHAHA. you never heard of the Halloween documents haven't you?

[manic torrent]

My favourite microsoft anecdote is that they used the SAMBA projects documentation of their protocol, because it documented it as implemented, not as designed 😉

[vapid smelt]

where at i want to flip them for ez cash

[long briar]

1998!!!

[stray apex]

Ah yes
That's why nobody uses Linux, Microsoft's incredible marketing

[dreamy rose]

Embrace Extend Extinguish. that was Microsoft's plan to deal with Linux until they realised that they cant kill Open source software and embraced it instead,

[long briar]

Check local

Bro they all copied Xerox c'mon now

[manic torrent]

That's not entirely wrong

[dreamy rose]

and then they moved on to Linux servers and now they absolutely love it to death and wanna integrate them into their OS in a desperate attempt to kick the door closed on a Better OS.

[long briar]

?????

[vapid smelt]

for $20 i can get a single used ps4 controller

[stray apex]

Also, aren't those documents mostly related to enterprise and server use?

[dreamy rose]

Server, the main market where Linux is used.

[sage pagoda]

Is that real?

[stray apex]

Regardless of what Microsoft did, Microsoft certainly didn't make Linux so difficult for consumers to use for years

[rustic grove]

dosent synology dsm run through linux?

[manic torrent]

again a large part of this is - what is linux. Which linux, who's driving it. why?

[long briar]

wait so how does that affect consumer...?

[dreamy rose]

they absolutely made it hard to bundle into PCs that's for sure. and to get a refund.

[long briar]

Like "Linux" or even "windows" used in servers don't have guis...

[gilded quest]

thats not even a ps4
its a ps4 slim
#falseadvertising

[stray apex]

It's free

[manic torrent]

they don't!?

[long briar]

Sooo how does that translate into the consumer segment of operating systems?????

[jaunty compass]

windows server definitely does

[rustic grove]

og ps4s have the capacity of a turbine

[dreamy rose]

i'm not talking now i'm talking in the past this is about why linux hasnt been adopted mainly.

[manic torrent]

oh it doesn't and I don't care, your conclusions is correct, your reasoning was just a bit shaky 😄

[stray apex]

No?
Microsoft failed to keep Linux out of commercial use

[gilded quest]

500GB
i never even upgraded mine

[stray apex]

Linux hasn't broken into mainstream use because nobody has really developed one that's good enough

[dreamy rose]

again. Windows Refund Day, you couldnt refund Windows.

and you probably still can't to his day.

[winter hearth]

windows server absolutely has a gui

i work with it every day

[long briar]

ok correction: it "does"

it's server core or desktop

and chosen at installation

[rustic grove]

i meant sound but yeah 500gb isnt alot these days

[long briar]

Server Core is command line only, desktop is your more "normal" windows

[winter hearth]

that's more accurate

[jaunty compass]

if i could save the $100 when buying a new laptop or something and just not have windows, i totally would

[dreamy rose]

but is it actually light?

[stray apex]

Anyways
Linux isn't user friendly enough for it to be worth using for consumer machines
The support teams alone

[long briar]

What support teams, stackexchange and reddit?

[manic torrent]

again, what linux, also chicken/egg.

[dreamy rose]

its like 220 dollars here or something supid.

[stray apex]

Well, if an OEM wants to sell them

[manic torrent]

I mean I don't disagree with your general conclusion.

[long briar]

Just don't pay for it

[dreamy rose]

absolutely is. Chrome OS

[manic torrent]

but saying "linux" is like saying "android". but even worse.

[long briar]

What's ChromeOS' largest userbase?

[jaunty compass]

okay it's actually $140 for windows 11 home what the fuck
yeah fuck that

[stray apex]

Children lmao

[dreamy rose]

go buy a prebuilt from big company without Windows.

[stray apex]

Nobody buys that

[long briar]

you know why you can buy keys for like 10 bucks?

[jaunty compass]

when i get my framework 16" i'm going to buy it without an OS and just do it myself

[dreamy rose]

Laptop users:

[stray apex]

I believe dell or HP do sell systems with Linux preinstalled

[winter hearth]

people who say this i'm convinced don't understand that PC gaming is a pretty big niche case for using a pc or a laptop, and for people who just use laptop for work or the internet a flatpak-centric distro based on ubuntu on debian is rock solid and absolutely won't give any trouble

right now vanilla os is my go to for recommendations https://vanillaos.org/

[stray apex]

Laptop users buy laptops

[long briar]

it costs single digit dollars if not cents for oems to get oem keys

[dreamy rose]

they aren't mainstream.

[jaunty compass]

at that point use an activation script

[long briar]

nono because the keys are actually legit, and they tie in with your microsoft account so it can be used to reactivate later

[dreamy rose]

Laptops are PCs, laptops come with Windows. irrelevant.

[stray apex]

Sure, as long as you have a web browser most things will work
Unless something breaks, in which case good luck lmao

[jaunty compass]

those keys are grey market and not meant for where they're selling them

[manic torrent]

ehhhhh, the problem is the same as it has been for 20 years. it's 80-90% there, and the other 10-20% is going to take just as much effort.

[stray apex]

No?
Laptops do not actually cost $140 more for windows

[winter hearth]

i once had to reinstall windows in its entirety because event viewer broke completely and i didn't get any usable error message. that just doesn't happen with linux

[dreamy rose]

you are buying a licence with a laptop.

[long briar]

yea so?

[manic torrent]

that isn't what he said.

[stray apex]

Yes, you are paying trivial amounts of money for the license

[long briar]

that's how I interpreted it too though. He mentioned how he wishes he could save 100 bucks by leaving windows out of a system

[winter hearth]

sorry, task scheduler*

[manic torrent]

yes, but you still need to know so much more to be able to fix it. That isn't accessible to the normal user.

[winter hearth]

have you ever tried to fix a windows issue for the "normal user"? windows issues are even more arcane because they are hell to troubleshoot

[long briar]

no???

[mild garden]

hi

[long briar]

Windows even fixes itself through startup repair!!!

Haven't seen linux do that once... I wonder why

[manic torrent]

indeed. However they aren't as bad as they used to be, and the thing is, for the most part, windows works. This wasn't the case 20 years ago.

[dreamy rose]

you are still buying Windows when you buy a laptop. that doesn't help Linux. regardless of how they do it you are stuck with a license.

[stray apex]

Yes, most users would go "what the fuck is wine, I need word" and immediately return the laptop

[winter hearth]

linux gives usable error messages for everything and anything that breaks has a transparent way to either fix it or get directly in touch with the developer. windows has neither

and there are distros that do that lol, fedora silverblue is an immutable distro and the system installation can be rolled back to a previous working version, leaving all user files completely untouched

[long briar]

wdym windows has neither

Windows rollback exists and works

[stray apex]

Windows gives error messages and has an actual customer support department?

[long briar]

^

I'm so confused what's this linux propaganda being spread here

[manic torrent]

yes yes yes, but where's my organisational dashboard? where's my endpoint device control? how do I centrally manage software licensing for my laptop fleet?

[winter hearth]

a customer support department that tells you "have you tried using the troubleshooting tool" and doesn't do anything else, have you TRIED working with ms customer support?

[jaunty compass]

has microsoft customer support been useful literally ever?

[stray apex]

Like, I'm sorry, telling me that apt can't find cinnamon_common so I can't update my distro is not fucking helpful

[long briar]

yea they gave me a free windows key after I said my windows 7 key stopped working LOL

[winter hearth]

all of these things have solutions with linux, enterprise deployment is not an unknown quantity in the linux world

[winter hearth]

further proves my point. license generation is dead easy, actual technical issues are much more complex

[dreamy rose]

Exception rather than the majority.

[manic torrent]

I know, but you would have to sell fucking 4 department heads on it before even STARTING.

not to mention the pushback from users

[stray apex]

No it's not lol
Someone screen recorded windows support cracking windows when they couldn't get the key working because they don't give a shit if you buy windows

[manic torrent]

not to mention the pushback from support.

[jaunty compass]

the one based customer service rep

[long briar]

MY point is that windows support is not bad at all

[winter hearth]

that has nothing to do with the viability of linux as a product and everything to do with corporate not wanting to take risks. it's why everyone bought IBM in the 70s

[dreamy rose]

"cracking" you mean Activation via command line?

[dreamy rose]

*80's

[stray apex]

Sure, activating windows through lateral means

[long briar]

if you talk like you know nothing they explain things that way. If you show you know and it's Microsoft to fix it, then they'll do a step up from that

[winter hearth]

i have not had a single good interaction with microsoft support, ever

[long briar]

unlucky tbh

[amber spindle]

I need a speaker for a TV I just bought. Any suggestions

[jaunty compass]

to be fair i've never met a competent customer support rep for any company ever

[long briar]

budget and #audio-tech

[manic torrent]

I didn't say it wasn't viable. I've been using linux for 25 years, and I daily drove it as a desktop for quite a few of those. it's just that every single one of those years has been the year of the linux desktop, and honestly the closest was circa 2000.

[nova mountain]

has anyone else noticed that screenshot tools don't support hdr ?

[long briar]

I have, but it's more niche music and camera stores...

[manic torrent]

omfg it pisses me off

[jaunty compass]

it's not just microsoft, it's hard to get good customer support

[winter hearth]

consumer-facing tech support tends to be much more basic level than enterprise-facing/b2b tech support

[long briar]

man I love when customer support for a certain product has a passion for said product(s)

[manic torrent]

honestly it's extremely rare that I encounter an enterprise support person that knows as much about their product as I do.

[winter hearth]

you sound like an msp

[amber spindle]

Thanks, I went there

[manic torrent]

because by the time I am talking to them I've probably reverse engineered half their shit

I am an advanced data plumber.

[winter hearth]

you would be a rare exception then because so many MSPs don't even know how to log onto our online portal

[nova mountain]

ok glad it's not just me cause i spent like the last few days trying to make it work lol

[manic torrent]

tbh it's to the point where I rarely use HDR 😦

[dreamy rose]

so back to the beginning. Windows on Ally was a Mistake.

[stray apex]

Nah

[nova mountain]

playing games in hdr and i take a screenshot and it's a literal flashbang lol

[stray apex]

It probably cost Asus almost nothing (I think it might have actually cost them literally nothing?) And it greatly improves compatability with many popular games

[dreamy rose]

absolutely Wrong. Linux is far better for handhelds.

[stray apex]

The gamepass support alone is huge

[winter hearth]

im not here to argue that it's the year of the linux desktop, but i think there's more things holding it back from wide adoption than just linux being consumer viable. i think it needs the right ecosystem

[long briar]

Android exists...

[stray apex]

No, SteamOS has advantaged for handhelds, not all of Linux lol

[winter hearth]

something with features built on nextcloud and activitypub would be an intriguing value proposition

[manic torrent]

I have long maintained that to make linux actually reach the desktop in a meaningful way would be 100 million dollars. maybe more.

[long briar]

Nextcloud is kinda scuffed tho?

[stray apex]

I mean, it's just not practical for anyone to sell Linux to consumers if the distro isn't backed by a major corporation

[dreamy rose]

Linux would bring Ally even to Steam Deck and hell further than the Steam Deck.

[stray apex]

Like, what the fuck do you do if half the dev team leaves?

Are they gonna be able to handle customer support? Do you need to build out your own team?

[long briar]

I just don't see the point of basically launching another ChromeOS within another OS

[winter hearth]

the web interface is a bit scuffed yeah, but the underlying sync and data stuff is solid

[long briar]

ok fair

[stray apex]

Are they gonna support your shit in a timely manner?

[manic torrent]

case in point: hdmi sound output was broken on radeons in the kernel for THREE GODDAMN YEARS

[stray apex]

You certainly can't wait for the kernel to start supporting big.little CPUs or something while all your competitors are doing it with windows

[dreamy rose]

Steam OS is what they'd want but nobody is supporting it. its not Linux itself its Microsoft's contracts

[rough birch]

Oh yeah why is it only recently Linux is (at least thinking) getting HDR?

[stray apex]

Microsoft offers by far the most compelling OS for oems

[dreamy rose]

you mean Wayland?

[queen pond]

Still debating should I get a Ally or a laptop? You can get a laptop with a 3050 for around the same price as an Ally.

[rough birch]

What's Wayland?

[winter hearth]

i agree somewhat, but you're failing to realize a lot of the wide adoption distros like ubuntu or fedora are widespread BECAUSE they have corporate support (canonical and red hat respectively)

gnome project i think strikes a good balance - it remains completely non-profit, and anyone can develop at any time, but corporate vendors contribute resources and manpower to its development because they sell support for the product

[dreamy rose]

only because its been that way for so long. not because the OS is good.

[stray apex]

Yeah, but their customers are other businesses, not consumers

[manic torrent]

what does good mean, fit for purpose? because guess what, it mostly is.

[stray apex]

If HP wanted to sell Ubuntu laptops, can canonical actually handle that volume?

[winter hearth]

the model could easily be adapted into a consumer-facing business, and considering how large the installbase is for ubuntu, yes more than likely

maybe a slight employee hiring push at first

[dreamy rose]

protocol for Rendering your Desktop on linux. its a kind of Successor to Xorg/X11 which has its root in the 70's.

[rough birch]

Looked it up and I'm still confused tbh

[stray apex]

Yeah, but then that only works if they have a contract with HP to expand their teams

[rough birch]

Ohhh okay

[stray apex]

And at that point it's a huge risk for the oem

[winter hearth]

wdym conttract with hp to expand their teams? canonical doesn't hire based off contracts with oems

[vapid smelt]

some smaller oems offer linux installs over windows

[stray apex]

If they wanted to expand their customer support to the degree that a major OEM would probably need to actually use them, they'd probably have to hire quite a few people

[winter hearth]

and? they'd still do that themselves

[dreamy rose]

you mean System76, the maker of Pop_OS!. bundling Pop_OS! on their own systems?

[rough birch]

Tbh I kinda expected desktops to support things like HDR before phones but I guess I'm just... Wrong about that??

[vapid smelt]

https://itsfoss.com/get-linux-laptops/ Dell offerd/offers Ubuntu

[dreamy rose]

HDR is a mess and the kernel is a big project.

[winter hearth]

https://starlabs.systems/

starlabs is a linux-only oem with completely custom chasses

[manic torrent]

phones are a closed system and FAR FAR easier to make stuff like that work.

[rough birch]

Tbh fair

Probably not constantly being reminded by internet users on random things my brain has just dropped everything in the past week. I did feel happier thiugh. (°v°)

[dreamy rose]

if they supported Linux perfectly with their own designs there'd be AMD Advantage gaming laptops coming with Linux. they are already niche why would they not expand into more of them niche products.

theres absolutely some that would buy such a system.

[winter hearth]

i'm not sure what you're getting at

[long briar]

same here

We all know how ChromeOS gaming chromebooks went... or are going since it's recent

and for most people: it goes as "it exists?"

followed by "why?"

[winter hearth]

why does the steam deck exist?

[gilded quest]

gaming chromebooks are big dumb

[misty scarab]

bro since when can you grab and push people in football and its not a penalty?

[dreamy rose]

there aren't AMD Advantage gaming laptops coming with Linux preinstalled. there are barely any AMD Advantage Laptops in general

[long briar]

since you left middle school?

[winter hearth]

i don't even know what amd advantage is

[dreamy rose]

to push linux further.

[gilded quest]

which football

[long briar]

wait yea which football lmfao

[misty scarab]

this should def be a yellow card and free kick

[gilded quest]

steam deck is based that why

[winter hearth]

my sttatement was in response to nexgen's post

[stray apex]

AMD branding for AMD/AMD systems

[dreamy rose]

AMD CPU and GPU

[misty scarab]

the proper football

[long briar]

oh wrong football, blind refs

[misty scarab]

yeah how tf is that not a penalty

[gilded quest]

https://tenor.com/view/granger-smith-earl-dibbles-america-gif-13831121

[long briar]

Like the G14 2022?

[dreamy rose]

yes but thats why it exists.

[misty scarab]

unless different rules?

[dreamy rose]

and A16 Advantage 2023

[winter hearth]

it was a rhetorical question, we know why the steam deck exists

[long briar]

nono the Why for Gaming Chromebooks lmao

[winter hearth]

i was saying it to make a point

[gilded quest]

cause gabe n has big plans

[long briar]

Gross. You lose CUDA, nvenc, and you gain... amd sticker

[gilded quest]

amd sticker worth like $500 tho

[long briar]

True!

[soft dune]

Hi

[dreamy rose]

the Steam Deck hardware doesn't matter shit. Linux is the main driving force for valve. Windows is crap, Microsoft can fuck them up if they choose. Linux is their platform and Ecosystem.

[long briar]

Microsoft doesn't need to do anything

[full fossil]

Debian with casa os? or window server debloated cracked for my first server

[dreamy rose]

they don't want to make only handhelds they wanna make an Ecosystem of PCs and Consoles, Standalone PCVR Headsets and of course, Handhelds.

[long briar]

Chromebooks are a bigbrain move from Google ngl

[stray apex]

Being a mega corporation fan is so weird

[long briar]

if Stadia worked then gaming chromebooks could've actually been relevant

[full fossil]

good for schools.

[stray apex]

Valve is a monopolistic corporation that made their own OS in case another monopolistic megacorp decided to compete with them

[long briar]

and when the kiddos grow up they may choose what they're familiar and grew up with

[manic torrent]

..... and made it open source

[stray apex]

Like, competition is good and all that, but valve has absolutely no interest in competing with microsoft

[full fossil]

ive heard that before...

why does that sound so fa- ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

[stray apex]

Yeah, because all valve cares about is making sure people keep using steam

[manic torrent]

what you mean is they did that so they aren't beholden to microsoft.

[dreamy rose]

and whats wrong with them trying to make an Ecosystem and trying to not get fucked over by big company?

[stray apex]

...valve is a big company

[long briar]

Quoting Linus here

[full fossil]

yeah i noticed. but its true

[dreamy rose]

not compared to Microsoft they arent,

[long briar]

No shame quoting a statement I fully agree with

[stray apex]

That's like saying News corp is smaller than Disney

[manic torrent]

look, just because MS is worth 2.3 trillion and valve is worth 8 billion.....

[long briar]

it's not supposed to be a dick swinging contest

[full fossil]

true

[manic torrent]

several orders of magnitude comparative difference, news corp 10.5b, disney 162b

[stray apex]

Sure, but valve's reach in their market is extraordinary

[manic torrent]

news corp is about the same size as valve

[dreamy rose]

a Linux based Valve Ecosystem is a good thing. Valve isn't evil for trying to stop their reliance being a problem. having as many popular devices not using windows is best for everyone.

[stray apex]

It's hard to find properly analogous megacorps lol

[manic torrent]

this is true

valve is evil for OTHER reasons 😄

because capitalism.

[stray apex]

Consumer choice is great, yeah
Except your choice on steamOS is mostly just use steam

[long briar]

how is it best for everyone tho...

[stray apex]

You can of course theoretically go into desktop mode and fuck around

[long briar]

it's only best for the enthusiasts... because most people don't care.

[dreamy rose]

that's not Valves fault.

[stray apex]

But that's far beyond your normal consumer

It's like saying that google technically doesn't own android or something

[long briar]

it doesn'tn't

[dreamy rose]

Microsoft has 90% of the desktop space. that's a massive problem.

[long briar]

massive problem for who? the enthusiasts and small devs.

also where'd you get 90% stat from

As of February 2023, Windows holds 57.37% of the desktop OS market in the US, macOS holds 29.62% and Chrome OS holds 7.47%. Linux holds 2.55%, whereas other miscellaneous desktop operating systems hold 2.97%.

[stray apex]

I mean, the fact that one OS runs on most systems is not really a problem for small devs, especially when that OS is fixated on compatability almost to a fault

It's probably mostly way easier to support windows than to support uh
Every Linux distro

[long briar]

true.

[dreamy rose]

end users because they are the ones who suffer when Microsoft adds bloatware, Spyware and generally make the OS less usable.

[stray apex]

Win 11 has been pretty solid

[long briar]

I'd argue Windows 11 has been more usable than ever

[stray apex]

Really everything after 8.1 has been pretty good

[long briar]

^^ 8 was a shitshow tho

[stray apex]

8.1 was good though

[dreamy rose]

steam hardware survey has windows 96%.

[echo canopy]

Thats why mucel exist and why steam supplies a runtime enviroment.

[long briar]

Oh that explains it. It's steam

you said "desktop operating system"

[stray apex]

Turns out most MacBooks don't have steam installed

[long briar]

yea wow

[dreamy rose]

its the most relevant for majority of the conversation here.

[long briar]

You specified Desktop Operating System which is a VERY different criteria

[dreamy rose]

this is about Linux and gaming.

[long briar]

otherwise just say "the most dominant operating system Steam users are on" or soemthing

[stray apex]

Linux and gaming has the same problem as Linux and mainstream use

[dreamy rose]

remember, the Ally bought up this conversation.

[stray apex]

Compatability hard
Getting users to switch hard

[gaunt cave]

Really? All those issues that were plauging users initially, gone?

[long briar]

no I don't remember it was two hours ago shit happens

[long briar]

what issues?

[dreamy rose]

Compatibility hard because Windows has the OEM monopoly. simple answer.

[long briar]

my complains about no side taskbar kinda went away as I got used to bottom again

[echo canopy]

Not really, most people could switch to linux and not even realize it. Im currently back on windows and sometimes i still think im on arch

[stray apex]

Why shovel money into valve's pockets for free when Microsoft will probably just give you 3-month gamepass codes with your free windows keys

[long briar]

Oligopoly* Macos still larger than Linux

[stray apex]

Yeah, like 95% of the time OS is irrelevant

[dreamy rose]

since when would they actually do that?

[manic torrent]

gamepass is a scam

[stray apex]

It's just that when OS does matter it's usually for stuff that's important

[long briar]

True this

[gilded quest]

Gamepass is a fantastic way to try a bunch of games

[stray apex]

Gamepass is pretty neat
You can buy Xbox live gold for three years for cheap and then buy $1 gamepass ultimate

[echo canopy]

xbox live gold is a scam.

[stray apex]

And now you have 3 years of gamepass ultimate for like, $120 or something

[gaunt cave]

Cert expiry, driver downgrade, ppl with Ryzen randomly running slower in games... And that's just off the top of my head

[echo canopy]

yeah windows 11 is actually shit.

[dreamy rose]

Again Windows

[stray apex]

Yeah, those are all fixed

And in a pretty reasonable amount of time afaik

[dreamy rose]

fuck no.

[echo canopy]

all of them should not have happened in the first place. that is also the tip of the iceburg for windows fuckups

[stray apex]

Meanwhile Linux lmao

[dreamy rose]

it should have been fixed on RELEASE. it would have happened if windows was good.

[stray apex]

How many distros support arc rn, anyways?

[dreamy rose]

ARC is open source.

[stray apex]

That's neat

Hm
Intel released Ubuntu drivers for LTS

[long briar]

afaik those were fixed like within 2 months of launch of smth

[echo canopy]

arc isnt MESA is which just so happens to have support for arc

[dreamy rose]

Nvidia is the shit one on linux.

[long briar]

• upgraded scheduler for big.little

[stray apex]

Fedora was apparently shit with arc in October of last year

Hm
So kernal support for arc didn't come out until 6.2?

[echo canopy]

there are patches for kernels before 6.X

[stray apex]

Hm
As of a month ago pop_os had performance issues on arc

No av1 encoding support?

[echo canopy]

prob a maintainer or user skill issue

[stray apex]

I mean, sure
But that's kind of the issue

On windows arc performance is (mostly) pretty good now

[echo canopy]

I assume this is the issue people were having with pop
https://github.com/intel/media-driver/issues/1647

[gaunt cave]

This. I genuinely can't remember all the issues but to my memory there were an inordinate number of them that should never have been a thing in the first place

[echo canopy]

dx 10/11 are still a minefeild.

[stray apex]

Sure, dvx has probably helped a bit though

[echo canopy]

its only enabled for dx9

[full fossil]

casa os or windows server cracked debloated, go

[stray apex]

Piracy banned

[echo canopy]

ubuntu LTS 20

[full fossil]

not cracked*

[stray apex]

Don't people like, hate Ubuntu or something

[echo canopy]

yes

[full fossil]

they do?

why

[stray apex]

I'm not really into Linux, but apparently canonical bad or something

[full fossil]

its not bad, im pretty sure most people dont like the desktop enviorment of the default build

[echo canopy]

built in spyware, the forced usage of snap packages bloating the system file size as well as adding massive overhead at first boot and a slower overall experience.
Its also debain based so everything being outdated is just the norm as well as having to deal with apt or risk fucking your system up with nala

[full fossil]

Oh.

[echo ridge]

isn't chrome os linux

[dreamy rose]

Ubuntu is just pointless as a Base Distro. alongside everything else

[echo ridge]

what about po

[full fossil]

yeah

[echo ridge]

pop os

[full fossil]

debian i think

[dreamy rose]

Mint has a Debian ISO. its the exact same.

[echo ridge]

isn't debian part of linux

[full fossil]

yes....

yeah it is

[dreamy rose]

Gentoo

[echo ridge]

so wouldn't chrome os be part of the linux percentage

[dreamy rose]

people say no because they dislike it.

[gilded quest]

2024 gonna be the year of linux on the desktop

[full fossil]

debian is used for android so i assumed chrome os uses debian aswell, because chromeos supports APKS

[echo canopy]

IDFK why poeple worship pop os so much. Its easy as shit to install nvidia drivers and only debain/fedora based distros make that hard.
pop os also uses outdated packages because debain and apt because debian.
The only redeeming quality of the project is their desktop environment thats still in development

[echo ridge]

but the ui

[dreamy rose]

Pop would be better if it wasn't stuck on GNOME.

[full fossil]

i think i have ubuntu installed on a partition in the computer im using, gimmie a couple minutes to check

[echo ridge]

didn't they say that about 2023

[echo canopy]

bUt ThE uI, learn the terminal

[dreamy rose]

and 2022

[echo ridge]

and 2022

[full fossil]

they say that every year

[dreamy rose]

and 2021

[echo ridge]

and 2021

[echo canopy]

thats easy to change if you know what youre doing.

[echo ridge]

and 2020

[dreamy rose]

yes but its standard. and GNOME just sucks.

[gilded quest]

and I will say it about 2025

[echo ridge]

and 2019

[full fossil]

yuh i have a 20gb partition and its probally a ubuntu install

[echo canopy]

Gnome is mid, i just personally hate the developers and the asthetic

[full fossil]

ill boot into it rq

[dreamy rose]

hopefully it actually comes by 2026.

[echo ridge]

nahhh im good

[dreamy rose]

KDE is a far better experience anyway.

[echo ridge]

i tried using arch for the funnies and i gave up

[echo canopy]

its really not that hard once you learn it.

[dreamy rose]

apart from X its the oldest desktop, so its development has had the longest time to cook.

[echo canopy]

what part made you give up anyways?

[echo ridge]

drivers

[echo canopy]

what drivers?

[echo ridge]

network

[echo canopy]

Broadcom?

[echo ridge]

i don't remember that was like 6 months ago

maybe it wasn't the smartest idea to go arch linux as my first linux install

[echo canopy]

the manual one is but not archinstall

What? nothing in the main repos is compiled and most aur entrys have a -bin version pre compiled.

[dreamy rose]

Gentoo

[echo canopy]

mans talking shit about arch without even using it

compiling's not very slow anyways

inb4 -j1

[bold echo]

lol another cortana

[echo canopy]

?

[bold echo]

making fun of the new "windows copilot"

[echo canopy]

skill issue

[jaunty compass]

i might buy intel arc gen 2

with how arc has improved so far, it looks super appealing honestly

[graceful burrow]

battlemage

intel battlemage

[echo canopy]

lets actually get cards first

[chrome vector]

Uh? Thanks... I guess

I unironically don't understand what this means.... You don't have to be an approved user to post on /r/HardwareGore.... But they approved me, and then immediately muted from messaging the mods

[graceful burrow]

they might have to approve a post to mute it

[chrome vector]

I unironically think they did this just to confuse me

[rough birch]

What did you post?

[chrome vector]

That's the funny thing. I didn't post anything on there. I've only made comments

I got into a weird conversation with somebody completely unrelated, and sometime after that I got these messages

I legitimately think a mod decided to fuck with me

[full fossil]

Guys im going back to xp

I’m not buying windows 12

[stray apex]

nah, ms dos was peak

[past egret]

the eniac was better

[echo canopy]

BSD was best

[strong kettle]

when win 12 releasing?

[full fossil]

2024

[gilded quest]

Tomorrow

[full fossil]

Supposedly 2024

[manic torrent]

secret alpha elite preview already out

[gilded quest]

Secret alpha elite?!?!

[echo canopy]

windows 11 insider

[strong kettle]

omg?!?!?!?!

[strong kettle]

woah send leak pls omg omg 😱

[gilded quest]

Fr fr (I'm lying)

[median idol]

Windows 12 already?! Didn't Windows 11 just come out a couple years ago?

[full fossil]

Is it leaked yet

I want to edit it so I can get rid of the bloat

[manic torrent]

nah it's secured so it will only run on hardware enrolled in the program

[full fossil]

Cringe

[strong kettle]

what hardware

[gilded quest]

It only runs on core 2 quad

[strong kettle]

😱😱😱😱

LEAKER!1!1!111!!11!1!!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!!1!1

[manic torrent]

has to have the right encryption keys in the TPM

[gilded quest]

Don't tell Microsoft

[full fossil]

I can’t wait to bypass whatever garbage limitations windows 12 is gonna throw at me

[dreamy rose]

7 came out 2009 and 8 in 2012

[full fossil]

Wasn’t 7 supported longer than vista

And xp supported longer than vista

[echo ridge]

no shit

[dreamy rose]

yes but it came out 3 years later.

[echo ridge]

the newer os is supported longer then the old os

[rough birch]

Might just be a very very minor thing but I find screen animations and random desktop effects extremely annoying and sometimes unjoyfull

[dreamy rose]

XP was longer than 7

[full fossil]

Nice

Average xp moment

[manic torrent]

such as....

[dreamy rose]

requiring a 4090 to run the desktop

[full fossil]

Needing internet on all the time

Every second and webcam on

Like the xbox one was

[dreamy rose]

if you dont have one bad luck

[full fossil]

Yeah

[manic torrent]

I mean, that's not even remotely true. but go off.

[full fossil]

You have to say “I love Microsoft” every five minutes into your microphone

[manic torrent]

I believe that was sony

[full fossil]

And listen to advertisements speakers on

[dreamy rose]

you require vaccination to sign in

[full fossil]

Must make a pc agreement before logging in

[tacit hare]

Hey all!

Hmm... out of curiosity, is there a good dual cooling system that can air cool for backup?

[manic torrent]

uhhhhh

[strong kettle]

cease and desist

[full fossil]

They make backup pumps

If your pump fails

[manic torrent]

what are you trying to achieve

[dreamy rose]

only kinda hybrid system i know of is watercooled laptops. those can do either. but on Desktop, AIOs are the closest thing i can imagine

[gilded quest]

https://tenor.com/view/whitepeopledancing-dancing-windows95-win95-microsoft-gif-7658602