public-chat

[manic torrent]

absolutely not. DVI-I sure, but ... no.

[limpid shale]

i got i3 10th gen

[wispy marsh]

I have an i7 that uses something similar, you should be fine

[novel tendon]

Anyways
Should I use GPT or MBR for my boot drive?

[limpid shale]

bet

[manic torrent]

why would you use MBR in 2023

[wispy marsh]

Are you running windows or linux?

[limpid shale]

is 16 gb of ram enough

[novel tendon]

Windows

[wispy marsh]

16gb is the recommended minimum

[limpid shale]

i mean i dont see point of getting more

[autumn pollen]

I may consider direct die cooling

seems risky but the pay off is hugeeeeeeee af

[timid meadow]

Doesnt windows force mbr for boot?

[autumn pollen]

Also is anyone watching the paris major?

[full fossil]

well... not really... depends what the use of the system is

[novel tendon]

Cuz I never had to deal with it
Idk which one to use at all

[manic torrent]

not since like.... a bazillion years?

[manic torrent]

ok, MBR is old, don't use it unless you have a very specific reason

[wispy marsh]

You can use the built-in tool MBR2GPT from the command line. It didn't remove my data or installs, but always back up your data.

[dreamy rose]

maybe some of us are stuck on BIOS?

[novel tendon]

I'm building my pc new

I don't have anything on it

[limpid shale]

i feel like yall talking in diff language

[manic torrent]

yes, except the question is specifically about PCs that are made .. y'know.... now.

[limpid shale]

whats MBR2GPT

[wispy marsh]

Then your windows install is gpt by default

[manic torrent]

takes MBR, makes it GPT, obviously

[limpid shale]

time to check whats MBR 💀

[dreamy rose]

you have no need to choose. your PC comes with a UEFI, it'll use GPT

[novel tendon]

Gotcha

[dreamy rose]

Master Boot Record

[manic torrent]

if only there was a way to easily search the internet and get results within milliseconds

[timid meadow]

Dont worry or feel bad. Hang out, ask where you need and youll learn. We all start somewhere, and even the best of us are newbs in some convos around here. Find the thing you find fun and stuff your brain with it. Start with generals, then find what you like

[wispy marsh]

Pretty sure he's not running docker on it, and that has a minimum recommendation of 2gb

[novel tendon]

I'm buying my first good pc tomorrow

[limpid shale]

ight bet bro

[novel tendon]

And I've settled on ryzen 7600x with 32gb of 5600mhz ram and no gpu

[full fossil]

You can easily get away with 8GB for a office system

[manic torrent]

OR: google constantly and ask when you need clarification.

[limpid shale]

so from what i see MBR and GPT are ways to store data info on drive

[novel tendon]

Because I don't need gpu for anything

[dreamy rose]

bad advice for this chat specifiically

[manic torrent]

they are ways of partitioning the drive.

[wispy marsh]

Have to wait for the non-React version of Teams to be public

[dreamy rose]

Not exactly. they are for booting

[limpid shale]

bruh aint BIOS that

[novel tendon]

I'm getting 32gb because I know I will have 5 apps open

[brazen relic]

What's the issue with MBR and what's the difference with GPT ?

[dreamy rose]

MBR limits you to 4 partitions and max 2tb while GPT is free

[manic torrent]

Master Boot Record (MBR) disks use the standard BIOS partition table. GUID partition table (GPT) disks use the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI). One advantage of GPT disks is that you can have more than four partitions on each disk. GPT is also required for disks larger than 2 terabytes (TB).

[full fossil]

I'm a 128gb guy lmfao

[timid meadow]

Uefi is a newer standard for bios

[novel tendon]

Wow
Rich guy over here

[full fossil]

not really, ECC DRR4 is cheap these days

[dreamy rose]

thats for firmware. MBR and GPT are for drives

[limpid shale]

the hell you doing with 128GB of ram

[novel tendon]

Oh I'm going ddr5

[manic torrent]

whatever he wants

[timid meadow]

Damn he says not really then drops the ecc flex. That requires a whole mobo aha

[novel tendon]

Waifu AI simulation

[limpid shale]

nothing to worry about Im old school i guess

[brazen relic]

Ah okay

[full fossil]

I mean, Ryzen supports ECC DDR4 btw

[dreamy rose]

ppl actually do this and its just a sad display.

[full fossil]

But I'm running a 22 core Xeon

[limpid shale]

@full fossil what u use 128 for

[brazen relic]

But aside of that, is there any significant performance disparity between either ?

[novel tendon]

Yeah but ECC ram doesn't have much benefits

[full fossil]

I just didn't want to have to think about it

[timid meadow]

I didnt know that. Might look into it when i move my server to ddr4 for the sake of getting cheap ram in bulk

[full fossil]

Other than it being cheap these days

[novel tendon]

Ddr4 is cheap all around

[dreamy rose]

isnt it standard in DDR5?

[full fossil]

I paid like 180USD for 128GB

[limpid shale]

wish my motherboard had more spaces for ram

[novel tendon]

I'm paying like 120$ for 32gb ddr5 5600 kit

[timid meadow]

Ill probably just buy more ddr3 before my server gets a major platform upgrade like that tho

[full fossil]

No, not really, it is unregistered ECC, meaning it is ECC within the memory die but not mem to CPU

[wispy marsh]

Unre ECC DDR4 is cheap?

[manic torrent]

There are no direct performance issues with using one or the other, but if you don't run UEFI you can't use some features like Resizable BAR

[novel tendon]

Question
Is spending 750$ on a ryzen 7600x pc without a gpu something a sane person would do?

[limpid shale]

is higher speed of ram better?

[dreamy rose]

dont some boards not include BIOS modes at all?

[timid meadow]

The rest of the system better be damn nice with tons of storage

[full fossil]

I paid a 147GBP for 128GB, I would say that is pretty cheap, registered ECC DDR4

[novel tendon]

2tb storage
750w psu for future gpu
4 rgb fans

And a nice case

[timid meadow]

Whats a 7600x even go for rn?

[novel tendon]

In my country 220$

[limpid shale]

2TB SSD?

[timid meadow]

Decent mobo id assume. Sounds like they sold gpu seperate to try and get an easier sale

[novel tendon]

No
HDD
I have an SSD already

[wispy marsh]

It's a $299 cpu with igpu

Pretty good for a non-X3D chip

[limpid shale]

can someone tell me why my textures load slow on my pc?

[novel tendon]

I'm building it myself
But the bundle is Asus tuf gaming b650-plus WiFi + ryzen 7600x

[limpid shale]

is it cuz games on hdd and not ssd or something else?

[dreamy rose]

shame the iGPU is shit.

[timid meadow]

Ye non G Ryzen just equals intel standard

[wispy marsh]

Shame you don't know why 7000 has an igpu

[novel tendon]

For like 460$

[wispy marsh]

I bet you've never had the luxury to troubleshoot faulty cards

[novel tendon]

Then ram 32gb DDR5 5600Mhz
For 120$

[timid meadow]

Eh it doesnt sound that bad

[novel tendon]

Then case + psu + HDD for 150$

[dreamy rose]

ik why they are so shit they arent meant for gaming. its just a dumb missed opportunity to throw something nice in there.

[wispy marsh]

For free?

Is AMD a charity?

[full fossil]

Why waste the die space?

[novel tendon]

My case also has 4 fans and a glass side panel

[dreamy rose]

AMD does NOT make garbage integrated Graphics.

[timid meadow]

Google the board, make sure theres not a reason their bundling

[humble tapir]

AMD iGPUs kick ass

[dreamy rose]

they only decided that 2CUs was fine for whatever reason.

[wispy marsh]

Yeah, sounds like you're one of those "race to the bottom" people

[full fossil]

Uh... Yes they do, because that's all that is needed on those CPUs

[wispy marsh]

"i want more hardware performance for the same price"

Sure, but not launch year/season

[timid meadow]

Same reason intel does, secondary troubleshooting option or can be used for basic web browsing. Amd already has a line for nice apus called xxxG

[full fossil]

iGPUs are for 2D rendering, video encode and decode... If you want more than that you pay extra for a "APU"

[novel tendon]

I mean
Ryzen 7600x kicks ass for the price

[dreamy rose]

they clearly arent feckin using em. just kill off the line and add some 6 CU iGPU into the chips boom everyones happy.

[full fossil]

I mean why rate the die space to put anything more than 2CU

[wispy marsh]

iGPUs are for troubleshooting after you've incorrectly and inadequately plugged in your PCIE5 cable on the noVideo RTX 4090

[limpid shale]

why can i find fans that cost 5 dollars and some cost 50/100?

[timid meadow]

Has anyone delved into the amd non g apus vs intels?

[novel tendon]

AMD igpus are way better

[wispy marsh]

Which again, sounds like a good thing to have after you have inadequately plugged in your PCIE5 cable on your noVideo RTX 4090

[timid meadow]

Quality, name brands, pwm vs non pwm, rgb, whole bunch of reasons

[novel tendon]

Easily can be OCed to perform much better without doing any hard task

It's just PBO curve optimiser
You give it more voltage

And it preforma significantly better

[dreamy rose]

the 610M they put into them gets embarrassed. which is why its so annoying and disappointing they did this. they could have a good cheap spot but nope.

[wispy marsh]

Um, no. You give it less voltage so it can sustain better clocks for longer at a lower temperature

[long briar]

more voltage is when it's no longer stable at a given freq

[wispy marsh]

Temperature is the wall that you'll first hit, way way way before you'll hit power limit walls and silicon quality walls

[long briar]

whenever possible, you want to lower voltage

[novel tendon]

AMD igpu runs stable but it can't clock higher because it's limited

[humble tapir]

More voltage is how you make a 7800X3D explode

[limpid shale]

why did i just find an pc that costs 50 dollars more then mine, + has an 144hz monitor with it and better specs in general 💀

[humble tapir]

:^)

[novel tendon]

You give it more voltage so it clocks higher automatically

[long briar]

L bozo'd

[wispy marsh]

I remember Linus demonstrating that a 500W 13900K is the silicon limit when they used a industrial cooler with direct-die cooling

[dreamy rose]

its ASUSes lack of OCP melting it so Current, not Voltage

[humble tapir]

that too, but the voltage was wrong

[long briar]

no. You basically set a voltage offset and the CPU will turbo higher at a given voltage

[humble tapir]

It was literally bugged

[wispy marsh]

Ask for the warranty for all parts in the PC. If the PC is used and he doesn't have a receipt or he has modded it that the warranty no longer applies, I advise against buying it.

[novel tendon]

Yeah but thats the cpu
The gpu works a bit different

Igpu has a higher clock cap
But because of low voltage it can never reach that

[long briar]

The CPUs exploding? that was EVERY motherboard vendor. AMD was at fault there. Asus was particularly bad because the motherboards wanted to join the fun

[novel tendon]

So you give it more voltage and it will clock higher

[timid meadow]

Gn needs to buy one and test every cpus tru max

[humble tapir]

it clocks higher

until magic smoke

[wispy marsh]

I don't think GN has a 500w industrial cooler like Linus has. Linus even got it for free, lol

[novel tendon]

2CU? Nah man those 2CU can't heat anything

[dreamy rose]

was not AMDs fault but okay. that's the fault of boards supplying too much in the first place.

[long briar]

???

[timid meadow]

I know he doesnt. Thus "he needs to buy one" kek

[wispy marsh]

Don't need an industrial cooler to test vsoc failures, just a good $100 voltimeter

[dreamy rose]

not talking iGPUs talking about the chip itself and ASUS not bundling protection on their boards.

[novel tendon]

Another question
Am I an evil person for buying an Asus mobo?

[long briar]

It was entirely AMD's fault. Fun fact: AMD provides the uefi/bios and all the OEMs do is skin the thing. Be it rename shit (Asus) or just lay everything out (Asrock). The fact the Agesa was broken before it was distributed to the vendors mean that AMD is 100% at fault here for the CPUs exploding. Asus just happened to also have inadequate OCP which caused their boards to also blow up. Otherwise every OEM suffered the same issue

[novel tendon]

Because only Asus mobos are available with ryzen 7600x

[novel tendon]

Yeah but the AMD menu worked fine

Specifically the vendor menus were acting a bit different than Amd menu
Where the AMD one would set it too low
And the vendor one would set it too high

[long briar]

Bionic here is an AMD fanboy. He does not like it when people say AMD isn't the best and meatride till the end of day

[dreamy rose]

AMD is not at fault for ASUSes bullshit.

[novel tendon]

That's why I have them blocked lol

[full fossil]

Hahahaha

[long briar]

``"We have root caused the issue and have already distributed a new AGESA that puts measures in place on certain power rails on AM5 motherboards to prevent the CPU from operating beyond its specification limits, including a cap on SOC voltage at 1.3V. None of these changes affect the ability of our Ryzen 7000 Series processors to overclock memory using EXPO or XMP kits or boost performance using PBO technology.

We expect all of our ODM partners to release new BIOS for their AM5 boards over the next few days. We recommend all users to check their motherboard manufacturers' websites and update their BIOS to ensure their system has the most up-to-date software for their processor.

Anyone whose CPU may have been impacted by this issue should contact AMD customer support. Our customer service team is aware of the situation and prioritizing these cases." — AMD Representative to Tom's Hardware.``

This is AMD talking, by the way

[full fossil]

AMD was at fault

[long briar]

and gigabyte? and asrock? and literally every other motherboard vendor out there?

[dreamy rose]

when you say 100% at fault its not their fault ASUS fucked it further.

[long briar]

Asus had nothing to do with the CPU and I made it clear.

[novel tendon]

Like gamers nexux said
It's several problems all at once
But mistakes happen
AMD said guys don't worry we'll replace the cpu
But Asus had poor communication and their branding got hurt

[long briar]

AMD was completely at fault for the CPUs exploding. Asus motherboards themselves just happened to also join the fun in exploding.

[novel tendon]

Which is not enough from AMD
They should announce extended warranty for any cpu sold before the fix

[long briar]

the CPU isn't the issue either.

[timid meadow]

Did 3200g gpus dying left and right ever hit the main press cycle? Or was i just more noticing of the ones that went down because i had one too?

[novel tendon]

I mean
Don't you wanna explode when everyone else does

[long briar]

AGESA has nothing to do with the CPU. It's not like it's the microcode of a CPU

[novel tendon]

Yes but they could have been degraded already

[long briar]

if they had broken microcode then sure.

[full fossil]

Repeat after me, AMD is no better than any other publicly traded company that's main goal is profit

[long briar]

it is not.

[novel tendon]

Since its Amd's fault

[novel tendon]

AMD is better than Intel and nvidia
That's it

[long briar]

Every publicly traded company serves their investors.

[timid meadow]

Repeat after me. Company bad, some people at companys sometimes good. Most of those good people also have skeletons.

[long briar]

No matter what company it is, if it's publicly traded, it follows the demands of the investors

[full fossil]

That's the point I was making, and the demands of the investors is always MORE MONEY

[dreamy rose]

tbh AMD is the only one out of the three that's the least stupid.

[novel tendon]

Cpu from Chinese private company which only listens to customers when

[timid meadow]

Glares at Bobby Kotik for turning the best fps ever made into a cash cow

[novel tendon]

Oh also
I have a deal for an RX580 second hand (probably crypto gpu) for 50$

[long briar]

If the CPU has failed they will replace it. Otherwise there's no proof of degradation apart from failure. Rolling out new Agesa for the oems is the move here and that's up to the oems to warranty their boards if it has also failed

[long briar]

Nope. EVERY company follows the motives of the shareholders.

It's not Nvidia's fault that its shareholders want money, so as intel and amd

[novel tendon]

Yeah that's why AMD sales will plummet because people are afraid of x3D cpus

[long briar]

AMD sales have always been low this quarter because of bad pricing

that moment when last gen intel is cheaper and faster, you don't get that many sales.

[novel tendon]

Yeah but 7800x3D was gonna be their saviour

[dreamy rose]

Nvidia thinking we want overpriced garbage. Intel rebranding sounding like they wanna capture the attention of the 90's population. AMD here making a 16 core 32 thread 40 CU monster APU for Laptops.

[long briar]

As well as using DDR4 which is also cheaper and more available

[novel tendon]

Um excuse me?

[long briar]

for a reasonable build, that is

you can geta 12700k cheaper than a 7600

[full fossil]

I just bought a 5950x for my second pc, seeing as it was AM4 anyway

[novel tendon]

which can't even run the games nearly as good as the 7600

And also you have to spend the difference on a better cooler to keep it cool anyways

[full fossil]

With the main being a Xeon, although I'm likely to swap these two as I'm planning to do more homelab and server things

[timid meadow]

I need more cores on my server but that requires a mobo upgrade i dont have money for :/

[full fossil]

Also important to take note of TCO, double the power is hard to justify in today's world in many places

[dreamy rose]

Xeon is irrelevant now lmao.

[novel tendon]

Yeah
AMD is all around wayyyyy better than intel

Imagine paying 1000$ for your electricity bill just because you saved 100-150$

[full fossil]

Not for homelab use it isn't

[long briar]

https://youtu.be/Euq6C9-T1-M
This shows it's within 7ish% every time.
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_5_7600-vs-intel_core_i7_12700k
and here you can see 12700k has much faster multi

[long briar]

How tf are you saving 1k? at most maybe 5 bucks a year chief.

[dreamy rose]

well Epyc has been slapping the shit out of Xeon for a while now.

[timid meadow]

Far from it. Homelabs love xeon

[long briar]

uhm... no?

[full fossil]

Yes, but old XEOXs are stupid cheap, homelab is very different to a production environment

Got my 22 core for like 150bucks

[novel tendon]

Only and only when your application can use 20 cores XD

[long briar]

and not everyone is gaming...

[novel tendon]

Do you live in EU?

[timid meadow]

Xeons are damn near as cheap as a dollar per core depending on what you need.

[long briar]

No, CA

[novel tendon]

I hardly use anything that uses more than 8 cores

[dreamy rose]

"why get 22 when you can have 24?" - Intel

[novel tendon]

Check electricity price in eu

[timid meadow]

Or you have many applications running. Adds up in something like an unraid build

[long briar]

EU is huge which part

[full fossil]

22 highest core count for my socket

[novel tendon]

Germany

[full fossil]

UK is 0.47USD/KWh

[novel tendon]

Oh yeah no
I can't see where 12 threads isn't enough for me

[timid meadow]

Biggest problem with old xeons is the motherboards. Youve got what youve got till you find or spend decent money on an upgrade. they arent easy to ship, most often proprietary

[novel tendon]

Also 12700k is 300$ here while 7600 is 200$

[timid meadow]

Im on 6c/12t xeon now. Id like 10c/20t or better on my next upgrade. Nas, plex host, vms, bunch of docker stuff. All running at once

[novel tendon]

You are talking about a server
I'm talking about a pc

[full fossil]

Old Xeonx are insane for homelabs because there are just so many of them dumped on ebay. It doesn't matter if they are 20 or even 50% slower, because they are a fraction of the cost of the EPYC or threadripper platform

[novel tendon]

Pc ≠ server

[full fossil]

I run a Xeon in my PC...

[novel tendon]

Ebay doesn't exist here

[novel tendon]

Yeah but you don't call it my server
You call it my pc

[timid meadow]

I got the 2 convos mixed my b

[novel tendon]

Also I'm planning to cpu mine with it

So Intel is just garbage for my work

[full fossil]

PS the new Xeon workstation chips wipe the floor with the threadripper platform

[long briar]

...and you're complaining abt power draw...

[novel tendon]

Yeah?
Because I plan to run it so much it adds up

It's even more of a reason to complain about power draw for me

[timid meadow]

Ye i was talking about the one who said its dead. Definitely not. Thatd be like saying ddr3 ram or a gtx 1080 is dead. Definitely still works, plenty of people crank workloads out on em.

[dreamy rose]

maybe if they release before.

[strange elk]

[full fossil]

What do you mean release before?

[dreamy rose]

if they release them before AMD releases their stuff,

[full fossil]

Intel have already released theirs

[strange elk]

why would you cpu mine over using asics if youre that concerned

[long briar]

DDR3 is dead. GTX1080 is dead. That's not the question. Dead != non functional

DDR3 is most certainly dead, as nobody makes and markets them anymore when DDR5 has already somewhat matured.

[dreamy rose]

well I'm talking Zen 5 stuff. that's gonna nuke the place

[long briar]

and when the entire market adopts DDR5 and drops DDR4 support (just intel now), DDR4 will also be considered dead.

[humble tapir]

DDR3 is on ebay

DDR2 is on ebay

[full fossil]

If they ever make it with threadripper

[long briar]

the standard is dead. There's no doubt about it, but that doesn't mean it will stop functioning

[dreamy rose]

i still see listings for DDR3 at CentreCom.

[long briar]

No more revisions are coming to DDR3

[strange elk]

imagine they release on TR4 again.

[full fossil]

Anyone else enjoy baiting the fanboi?

[long briar]

You mean TR4x+

NOT compatible with TRX40

[strange elk]

SP3r2

[long briar]

People are always like Ohhh with AMD you get upgrade path their sockets last for 5 generations and you fucking see threadripper

[strange elk]

lmao

[long briar]

Like bro????

[strange elk]

I will say I am loyal to AMD, at least for the moment. Have a bit of a bias, but im not saying they are just THE BEST by any means.

[long briar]

At least you recognize it unlike Bionic...

[strange elk]

I mean.. weve got exploding CPUs :/

[long briar]

I just recommend whatever is best for the use case. The latest build recc was a budget one, and here in Canada, Last gen AMD makes a lot of sense

[dreamy rose]

i mean they are the best. outright. added nonsense just hitting hard.

[full fossil]

I like AMD, I like what they do... Most of the time... But then again I have 11 Nvidia GPUs and 4 intel CPUs Vs my one AMD CPU

[strange elk]

Last gen AMD makes a lot of sense for most people right now.

[long briar]

I build PCs on the side and I've built everything from i3 sffs to balls to the walls workstations with 4090

[timid meadow]

I just dont give a damn. I buy whatever i see at a good deal at the time i need stuff 🤷 damn near every part in my pc is a different brand

[strange elk]

I LOVE my 5800x and 6700

[long briar]

It's all about the use case

I wouldn't've recommended the 3060 12gb BUT the person needed CUDA

and in her case, 12gb vram matters more than more bandwidth

so 3060 fit the bill nicely, even tho in gaming it's not the fastest for the price

[full fossil]

Exactly, and for me, the hardware I use is what works best for my use case. Hence why I bought 4 4070tis

[strange elk]

Aint doing raytracing much but I cant complain really. Great price and performance card, and I needed the vram

[long briar]

which is fair

I just can't use AMD for anything other than gaming because AMD's compute hasn't been a thing for years and there's no support for it

[full fossil]

Hate Nvidia, but when they are 3x the performance per watt than AMD it would be stupid to but team red

[long briar]

exactly

[dreamy rose]

RT is still a Gimmick rather than an outright nessasary feature.

[novel tendon]

Buying mining cards is where the real value at

[strange elk]

Yeah for computing, nvidia is king.. much as I hate them

[timid meadow]

Intel did do one thing right tho, especially for the homelab. Quicksync

[long briar]

there's no doubt about that. RT is not the only thing Nvidia has over AMD though.

[full fossil]

No one here is talking about RT

[strange elk]

i was, at least mentioned it

[long briar]

As much as people bash (no) on intel igp being bad. My God is it fast lmao

QSV renders videos faster than Nvenc for me

[dreamy rose]

it sells GeForce like fucking hotcakes though.

[long briar]

Sorry, guess the memo abt DLSS got lost in the mail

[dreamy rose]

at this point i think some people think RT is an Nvidia exclusive thing.

[timid meadow]

I know very few people who use a gpu of any kind in their main plex server when quicksync is an option

[long briar]

Nvidia is much more machine learning/AI based company than AMD which is focused on pumping raw numbers.

[full fossil]

If AMD really care about sales they need a halo product that can actually compete and feature parity

That's not even talking about the lack of ROCm support on most of their GPUs

[long briar]

yeaaaa, for me tho I was comparing on Davinci Resolve

[strange elk]

Ive not really considered intels graphics better than VEGA (bless my Athlon 220GE, what a trooper) but ive never really looked into it, I hear its real good now

[long briar]

CPU encode for a video was 5 minutes, Nvenc was 2 and QSV was like 40 seconds

[timid meadow]

Didnt even know it helped with that too. All hail quicksync ig

[dreamy rose]

tbh this generation from both have been Duds. AMD needs to pick up next gen.

[strange elk]

wow

[long briar]

File sizes are larger with QSV probably because less aggressive compression, but it comes in handy a LOT

[full fossil]

Nvidia cards this gen are certainly not duds for compute... I'll tell you that much

[long briar]

Also you need resolve studio to use hardware encoding (worth it)

[dreamy rose]

40 series is just awful value.

[strange elk]

nvidia cards are just.. yeah

[long briar]

4060 and 4090 are fine

4060 pricing is really good for a 1080p focused card, 4090 just has no competition

[full fossil]

For compute though they are worth the cost due to their performance per watt

[dreamy rose]

we dont even have 4060s how can you say they are fine?

[strange elk]

TDP on the 4070 is surprising though. I was impressed

[long briar]

Guess that memo got lost in the mail too

[long briar]

yea ada cards are super efficient it's crazy \

like 4090 coolers could literally be half the size they are rn and be fine

[full fossil]

Yeah, my 4070tis can run at like 130W and still beat anything AMD has for molecular simulations

[long briar]

but no for some reason everyone thinks it's cool to make 4090 a triple slot card with a fucking car radiator strapped on

[strange elk]

Thats the one Nvidia card I might consider buying. If I buy anything this gen

[dreamy rose]

here you guys are are ragging on the 7600 for being leaked 300 but prasing the 4060 for being the same price.

[full fossil]

I did not praise or rage about anything

I think everything in the technology space is overpriced, but realistically they can charge whatever they want any eventually we all have to buy it

[strange elk]

Should I get a rx580 just to do hackintosh? I was thinking my 6700 was compatible but nope.

[long briar]

7600 can't do anything but game. 4060 is a step in the right direction for pricing on Nvidia's side for mid-low tier graphics cards.

[dreamy rose]

while i agree 300 is too much. if you are gonna criticize the 7600 you gotta criticize the 4060.

[full fossil]

But the 4060 is massively more useful

[long briar]

^^

4060 literally has more features that aren't just for gaming

AMD can't do shit when it comes to compute or anything related to machine learning or... anything that's not gaming

[strange elk]

I just wish Nvidia was more linux friendly, considering the... wait no hes not ceo anymore. hmm..

[dreamy rose]

lmao keep dreaming.

[full fossil]

Your wanna 3D model, do inference or neural networks, molecular protein simulations like me, video editing the team green card will MASSIVELY out perform the AMD card and that's just a fact

[dreamy rose]

they'll never open up.

[strange elk]

Ive got amd so its fine. I wanted compatibility and I got that option. just saying if nvidia were more compatible I might consider them more

[long briar]

And you insisted AMD wasn't at fault for their own agesa causing their CPUs to explode. you'll never open up

[dreamy rose]

AMD are moving to Open Firmware. Nvidia NEVER would.

[long briar]

AMD is moving to open source BECAUSE they're too incompetent to do it properly themselves.

[full fossil]

Okay I'm bored of poking the fanboi and I need to work, so have a good day everyone

[dreamy rose]

got anything to back that up?

[long briar]

they moved to open ONLY because they needed something to cover their asses and keep their shareholders happy

[strange elk]

Really?

[long briar]

Shocking right?

[nova needle]

AMD also can't make GPU drivers for RX 7000, so not surprising

[strange elk]

I mean aside from the latest incident I feel theyve done pretty well. Havent heard much about this actually

[long briar]

AMD revealed an unexpected plan to shift from AGESA to the open-source openSIL firmware by 2026. This decision stems from concerns over AGESA's vulnerability to cyberattacks.

[nova needle]

High idle power consumption is horrible

[strange elk]

Know what fair. Open community can respond faster to those attacks

[dreamy rose]

Drivers have been fine. people are still hanging onto this old shit.

[full fossil]

Just want say one last thing, AMD is a "decent" hardware company, but a shit software company. Which lets down their hardware to an insane degree

[humble tapir]

AMD fixed their OpenCL support

[long briar]

idk I stare at the vega on my shelf and laugh

[dreamy rose]

idk. AMD has some neat features.

[humble tapir]

so I'm happy

[limpid shale]

nvidia >

[long briar]

like?

[strange elk]

Drivers for my machine have been great, but you cant just discount the fact its not that way across the board

[nova needle]

Keeps your room warm in winter with high power consumption during idle

[dreamy rose]

Radeon Chill.

[long briar]

ykw that's fair. I'm planning to use the Vega 64 I've got to heat my room when it's -40 outside

who thought 330w should be cooled with a blower c

[dreamy rose]

or if you used them you'd know. yk. cause you'd see the good stuff.

[full fossil]

Idle 4070ti

[nova needle]

I hate it because my room is very small so it gets hot fast. Also a reason why I kinda want a 4070. But I can't justify the price.

[long briar]

Radeon chill is the "limit ur fps so our power consumption doesn't look as bad" right?

[nova needle]

Yup

[long briar]

ok soooo basically the same thing as setting the fx9590 tjunc to be like 57C

coincidence?

[nova needle]

AMD is gonna Bulldozer over you with Advanced Marketing Devices

[long briar]

can't run hot if you're gonna throttle at low temps guys!!

[strange elk]

AMDs features: better value, better compatibility with Linux, more affordable in general, has their own cpus as well as gpus and takes advantage of that, infinity fabric/3d cache. Nvidia: better RT, CUDA, Nvenc, better for rendering, stable drivers across the board, but they managed to get EVGA out of the game so.. thats pretty bad

[long briar]

evga idk. I don't completely trust them

or the CEO, that is. I'm fairly certain spending more time with his family and doing what he loves outside of the company has a large part

not entirely just Nvidia being bruh

[strange elk]

imagine having a family

[nova needle]

Price, 2% market share OS, price, doesn't matter, fair

Nobody cares about RT, fair, fair, fair, fair, fuck Nvidia

[long briar]

LMAO

[strange elk]

Basically yeah.

[full fossil]

They aren't better value in all situations though... If you are running compute the lower power/performance makes the Nvidia cheaper in the long term. Power costs money too. On CPU side AMD is generally superior in that regard however

[strange elk]

I just dont care about nvidias features enough, price isnt justifiable to me

[nova needle]

+1, fuck nvidia

[long briar]

^

[long briar]

idk 7000 series non x3d was a bit of a letdown tbh

[full fossil]

And the truth is I hate buying Nvidia cards, but they are just the best cards around (for my use case)

[nova needle]

But hey, at least the 60 series cards are cheaper than their predecessor now, so good on them! (although the 4060 will barely be faster than a 3060 Ti and make an upgrade seem worthless)

[dreamy rose]

AMD Advantage is just hard to beat. hell its been the cause of laptops of the years lately.

[full fossil]

Performance/watt is what I'm talking about, not raw performance or value

[long briar]

from my perspective, 4060 forces 3060 and 3060ti market prices to drop so I still count as W

[long briar]

Ohh m'bad. I guess yea

[nova needle]

Yeah, but after two years I expect more, especially when you consider that 30 series also wasn't prices well

[strange elk]

Im including last gen in my considerations as well btw. 6000 series and zen 3 are still great value

[full fossil]

They are, there is a reason I bought a 5950x

[long briar]

30 series was also silicon shortage though.

[dreamy rose]

there was no shortage they held shit back for scalpers

[long briar]

Also I realize I'm a bit biased cause idc about electricity cost... it's literally 15C/kwh

[nova needle]

Even at MSRP these prices weren't all that good. It only seemed good because RTX 2000 was so horribly priced that it made it seem fair

[long briar]

oh yea where was AMD for all this

[full fossil]

Yeah I'm almost 3x that

[long briar]

realized lol

forgot electricity is hella cheap here

it used to be cheaper too

[dreamy rose]

nobody was buying.

[long briar]

Oh gee I wonder why

[nova needle]

If you really think about it, the 1080 Ti in terms of performance (new) went from 700 bucks in 2017 to 300 bucks in 2023. That's just unacceptable.

[dreamy rose]

because Nvidia is the big man everybody loves.

[strange elk]

OH GEE I WONDER WHY

[long briar]

No, clearly you don't remember. AMD couldn't make enough and people needed graphics cards so they just bought whatever they could and it was almost entirely Nvidia LOL

then people got attached to the brand that they tried so hard to get (the market segment)

so then Nvidia got the mind share

[dreamy rose]

Big man with Market Bias.

[long briar]

where was AMD in all this? Poor timing

[full fossil]

Basically this, also the silicone shortage affected everything from consoles to microcontrollers. Look at the Pi, GPUs, CPUs, car manufacturer shortages just to name a few things

[long briar]

Fuck cars

I still drive a 2012 rav4 v6 and I love it

[full fossil]

I don't drive at all

[long briar]

oh yea gas prices are relatively low here as well

[full fossil]

I don't go out with being disabled so a car would be wasted

Here is like 23USD a gallon

[long briar]

Ohh fair. That's rough.

[dreamy rose]

but chips don't use Silicone.

[strange elk]

@dreamy rose

[strange elk]

Also

[long briar]

Semantics you know what he means.

[strange elk]

Pick your battles

[long briar]

Silicon.

[long briar]

Yep. I'm about an eighth of that

[full fossil]

Seeing as I'm dyslexic you're just being a bit of a phallus there

[long briar]

Nah bionic is just kinda bruh

[strange elk]

Yeah. Ive talked to this dude before, last interaction was kinda the same

[dreamy rose]

you know WHY they are? because the tools Are biased towards their technology.

[wispy marsh]

Will there be tech to transfer pregnancy from one person to another?

[dreamy rose]

i was just makin a little joke no need to fuss.

[long briar]

yea if only AMD wasn't pumping out garbage for so long maybe the industry would've supported them

[full fossil]

AMD has ROCm their competitor to CUDA but they refuse to support it on most of their gaming GPUs, that's just a dick move

[long briar]

No. It was not because Nvidia that AMD decided they wanted to make the cards super expensive by using HBM on them

[wispy marsh]

The FX-8350 is still a relevant cpu today

[strange elk]

Because they are way more mature in the market with that shit, AMD is only now releasing their technologies where Nvidia has had over a decade to improve

[dreamy rose]

should have supported them equally regardless. but Developers have their need to cut corners

[long briar]

If everything is supported equally then you do not have the capitalist economy the americans have now.

You write for what makes you money, not for a company that's boutta fold because the government isn't gonna help

[long briar]

it isn't, but it's functional

and for some people, that's enough.

(looking at Steve from Gamers Nexus rn)

[strange elk]

anything before Zen 3 isnt really relevant

[full fossil]

I love how bionic doesn't have a response for AMDs anti consumer behaviour

[dreamy rose]

i mean an extra bit of testing doesn't hurt. but again now they are skipping it entirely so the fuck do i know i guess.

[long briar]

Zen 2, really.

[strange elk]

You think?

[long briar]

An extra bit of testing means the company needs to pay another 100k to code for a dead platform.

I wonder why they wouldn't want to support it

[dreamy rose]

Developers can cut little corners. doesnt mean they can cut testing entirely.

[strange elk]

Sure they can

[long briar]

You do realize there's more than just "write and hope it works" right?

[dreamy rose]

Radeon was never dead in the first place. and its literally just get a GPU and Run it.

[strange elk]

I mean Amazon is dropping a massive historical database from their services

[nova needle]

Just like an old Athlon

[long briar]

Run applications made for Cuda?

[full fossil]

Bionic you have an excuse for AMDs anti consumer behaviour or naa?

[long briar]

... clearly not alive when the Fury X came

[nova needle]

Oh man, I always wanted one

[long briar]

I got its successor, the vega 64

it's so bad it's funny

[strange elk]

I wanted a Vega 64, I thought that cooler was the neatest thing

[full fossil]

I had a Vega 64... I blew it up

[long briar]

the fan doesn't ever ramp down

so the blower fan is literally just sitting at 100 at all times

after maybe 5 minutes at idle then it'll start lowering

[dreamy rose]

i'm talking about games specifically right now. but if they are making tools for productivity then they have even less reason not to test and support AMD. THIS is why we are in such a shit situation in the first place.

[full fossil]

Then I got a gtx 1080 and was much happier

[strange elk]

I just wish I was older in 2017, id have dropped a lot into amd stocks.

[long briar]

In what world were we talking about games

[strange elk]

I thought about it back then but I just never had a job yet

[dreamy rose]

it is a Catch 22.

[nova needle]

Well you ought to get an AIB model of the Vega 64 if you actually wanted to have fun with it

[long briar]

you literally said "tools are biased against them"

[full fossil]

So everyone, it seems bionic is ignoring me talking about AMD being anti consumer... Because no one saw that one coming /s

[long briar]

games aren't tools. Games are entertainment.

[strange elk]

Bionic literally called me biased, where I AM, just not for Nvidia. So like again, pick your battles

[dreamy rose]

i said Developers. but go ahead,

[long briar]

???

[manic torrent]

The key with this is to not know or understand how developers, development, or organisations work

[onyx heath]

Whats the best mail client app thing for pc and mac

[dreamy rose]

Developers and consumers ARE biased towards Nvidia because of one another.

[full fossil]

I like thunderbird

[nova needle]

Thunderbird

[dreamy rose]

web browser

[strange elk]

Damn I didnt know Thunderbird was still relevant

[nova needle]

I use it daily

[full fossil]

I don't think you know what a mail client is...

[strange elk]

Or supported on mac for that matter

[dreamy rose]

Thunderbird gets packaged with like every linux distro

[strange elk]

eh mostly debian ones

[long briar]

Ever notice how the generational gains in performance with both Intel and Nvdia were much lower when AMD was just incompetent? Some people call it complacent but what it actually was, is to let AMD catch up. If both companies didn't and AMD folded, legally they'd be a monopoly and that's a bit of a mess with the law.

[onyx heath]

i hate that

[long briar]

Notice how once AMD caught up and improving, Intel and Nvidia are showing the greatest performance and efficiency gains since then?

[onyx heath]

really?

[long briar]

Both Intel and Nvidia literally saved AMD's asses

[dreamy rose]

Browsers are the best mail clients because they are multi purpose,

[timid meadow]

Plenty of games are built as tools or used as tools

[onyx heath]

how so

[full fossil]

But the point of a client is to not be multi-purpose...

[strange elk]

Browsers are good, but they dont want to use a browser else they wouldnt ask

[long briar]

I just said so above

Literally, both Intel and Nvidia hit the brakes for AMD

then when AMD caught up they all started improving again

the reason 1080ti was relevant for so long was because AMD had no answer

[dreamy rose]

you go to gmail.com you get your Emails, you go to youtube.com you get your LTT videos, you go to LTTStore.com to get your high quality merch.

Flawless system.

[long briar]

... only if you use said platforms

[full fossil]

Sigh... I hate kids

[strange elk]

same

[full fossil]

If you host your own mail server, you are going to want a decent client

[long briar]

I don't hate kids. I just hate stubborn stupid kids

[strange elk]

theres also protonmail, outlook, ad many other email clients I dont know about

[long briar]

stupid being the easiest to understand word for bionic, probably

[onyx heath]

now what if u used something not gmail?

[full fossil]

Those are services, not clients

[long briar]

What if you used floatplane?

[dreamy rose]

Buzz Killington.

[strange elk]

I was referring to the gmail.com statement

[strange elk]

Cant be a buzzkill if you arent funny

[onyx heath]

isnt outlook a app?

[long briar]

no, "Mail" is the app

[strange elk]

Wait is outlook an app? Man idk whatever microsofts was

[onyx heath]

whats that

[long briar]

No. Why would they

Windows mail is the app

[junior scaffold]

Nvm it's another one, my money gone

[onyx heath]

never heard of microsoft office?

[long briar]

consolidates every service into an app

[strange elk]

@outlook.com

[dreamy rose]

i thought there was an Outlook app.

[onyx heath]

some idiot on youtube called the windows mail app outlook

[long briar]

LMAO

[full fossil]

Oof who got nuked?

[strange elk]

They probably only use outlook tbf

[long briar]

it's two diff apps

and the outlook app is useless

[onyx heath]

yea but how does one even mix up outlook and the windows mail app

[long briar]

Oh

[strange elk]

outlook is the service and app

[onyx heath]

she installed the windows mail app (also has microsoft office installed) and searched up outlook and proceeds to call it the windows mail app

[dreamy rose]

because they are both microsoft

[full fossil]

For me I host my own mail server, so a nice client is pretty sweet

Can you tell I used to be a baker? Here's my cheese and onion quiche

[strange elk]

ooo

[onyx heath]

https://youtu.be/gK2RW9g3pkk?t=82 but it isnt outlook anyway heres where she does that

[onyx heath]

how you get pictures?

[timid meadow]

Nitro boost the server or fp sub

[long briar]

Floatplane

[full fossil]

Huh? I use my phone

Ohhh hahaha you guys can't post pictures??

[timid meadow]

Nah most green names dont have perms

[dreamy rose]

"You can see here that this is from microsoft"

[strange elk]

Thunderbird isnt on android

[onyx heath]

but then she proceeds to show us outlook (from microsoft office)

[dreamy rose]

exactly. because its from Microsoft thats why she mixed them up.

[strange elk]

??

[onyx heath]

or is she just blind

cause mail and calender was clearly visable

[knotty oracle]

country roads take me homeeeee

[dreamy rose]

who knows.

[onyx heath]

i dont remember it ever being on android

[strange elk]

I'm a little surprised I guess, And a bit sad

[dreamy rose]

its just bloatware for majority of people in the end.

[knotty oracle]

Do you agree with the fact that the actual facts of the world are facts and that this is a fact? @dreamy rose

[full fossil]

I use the Gmail client on Android... It's... Fine

[onyx heath]

i've seen a bunch of videos saying stop using gmail

[dreamy rose]

i'm gonna say... False.

[knotty oracle]

@dreamy rose wow you have truly hurt my feelings with this statement

[strange elk]

Ive considered it good enough. I can see my emails. Whatever. I want to say I'd like it and protonmail in the same place but idk

[full fossil]

I have an android phone, Google already has all my data

[onyx heath]

depends

if you only side load apps and dont own a google phone or use a custom rom that wouldnt be so as true

[full fossil]

Trust me, I'm a stock android, chrome, Google one paying subscriber... They know everything

[strange elk]

Me with a pixel 4

[onyx heath]

how much is google one?

[full fossil]

Depending on how much storage you want

[onyx heath]

because i was thinking about that before getting icloud+

i have an iphone

[full fossil]

I pay like 2USD a month for 100GB, VPN, Google workspace ect

[dreamy rose]

i don't even write emails enough for a Client to be worth anything to me. i'm not ditching gmail anytime soon.

[strange elk]

Then you aren't part of the conversation

[onyx heath]

how good is the google vpn?

[full fossil]

It's fine

[onyx heath]

true

[full fossil]

I have two VPNs, one is self hosted and one is Google VPN

[onyx heath]

thats expensive?

[full fossil]

I would not say it is expensive

[onyx heath]

also how good is microsoft one drive?

[strange elk]

Bad

[full fossil]

I'm an avid Google docs users go Google one just made sense for me

[onyx heath]

@full fossil how do you calculate price per gigabyte for cloud storage?

[full fossil]

Gigabyte/USD

gog champ

Wait no

It would be the other way around right?

[full fossil]

I pay 80 cents for unlimited vpn and I have free 25tb onedrive from school

[dreamy rose]

the google suite just replaces Office entirely. pointless paying for MS office.

[onyx heath]

what school gives that much space holy hell

[full fossil]

It really doesn't replace office entirely...

[slate palm]

yes, office has some things that can never be replaced,

[onyx heath]

is there a desktop app version of like google docs?

[full fossil]

I love Google docs, but it is rather limited

[slate palm]

exactly

[dreamy rose]

mine has unlimited google drive space, useful for everything.

[slate palm]

same, unlimited space its useful

[onyx heath]

wouldnt that space expire once you graduate?

[slate palm]

yes

[full fossil]

Typically yes

[dreamy rose]

not sure. probably.

[slate palm]

otherwise you just get free unlimited drive forever

[onyx heath]

what are you going to do after

[slate palm]

at least thats how it is in my school

[onyx heath]

my school district will expire accounts after you graduate or leave i learned it the hard way and lost all my stuffs from as a kid

[misty scarab]

reading forbs with an adblocker on but not having it detected is a new good feeling

[dreamy rose]

after graduation its uni then off to build computers for the rest of my career.

[onyx heath]

no i mean what are you gonna do about your google account

[full fossil]

Building computers is no where near as fun as you think it will be for a job... Trust me

[onyx heath]

is there a desktop app version of like google docs?

[full fossil]

no

[onyx heath]

with this discussion Whats the best cloud storage provider?

[dreamy rose]

oh if its gone its gone and i move to my personal. which i wont be using to store stuff cause paying is kinda wack. i also kinda sorta got locked out of my old one.

[onyx heath]

seems like apples the only company that offers a desktop app even if its macOS only

[onyx heath]

u sure ur personal will have enough gigabytes?

[dreamy rose]

its more achieving my dream than the money for me. idc if i'm technically some poor shit with little money. i like hardware just dont have access.

[plush rivet]

Depends on what you want
There is not best currently

[full fossil]

Google one storage is stupid cheap tbh

[onyx heath]

would you say that about icloud+?

[full fossil]

For smaller amounts that is

[plush rivet]

It isnt a full time job period

[full fossil]

I know nothing about apple services unfortunately

[onyx heath]

last time i've checked its 1 dollar 29 cents for 50 gigs

[dreamy rose]

i wouldnt be backing up my Wii games or ROMs but my homebrew would fit and that's fine.

[plush rivet]

10 for 2 TB

[onyx heath]

and the only company that cares about your privacy

[full fossil]

But if it's competitive with Google then yes I would...

[dreamy rose]

i have a Second storage drive anyway for that stuff now.

[full fossil]

I know Google is 2USD for 100gig so yes it's pretty cheap too

[onyx heath]

3.99 for 200gbs and 12.99 for 2 tb

apple is also pretty cheap

[full fossil]

Google one storage, this includes a 20% tax in my country

[dreamy rose]

that's a sentence that never appears

[onyx heath]

thats high tax

[full fossil]

Welcome to Britain

[onyx heath]

fun fact the sony dualsense is cheaper on apples website than bestbuy

[dreamy rose]

Apple sells sony controllers?

[wary summit]

worth it

I got Google One for 24 aussie bucks a year

[full fossil]

You get discounts with google one on Google play, buying HW from Google, and YouTube premium on the higher tiers btw

[wary summit]

basically one trip to maccas

[wary summit]

wait, does your country not have 100GB option?

[dreamy rose]

Maccas is shit. KFC is where its at

[full fossil]

Yeah that's the option I have already

[wary summit]

yea, but my local maccas had free refils, we go there, get a 1 dollar freeze and refill nd play clash rpyae

[full fossil]

As stated these are upgrade options

[wary summit]

I'm upgrading to 200, maybe its $49 bucks a year tho

[wary summit]

KFC, everything but chips.

[full fossil]

24.99GBP here for that annually

[onyx heath]

https://www.apple.com/ca/shop/product/HPNG2C/A/sony-playstation-dualsense™-wireless-controller?fnode=0940778edfd61429bc009ea7c271db0c87d6d9bd7519d83aa47f9493a73d7582ac22e5c1995fe68b50f783b2c4a527b1d964fd47a9e853fce1785595db206f1a59cd66594d9dfd2fddd23cfc2a21e99f3a21cd1d4b111a590b6f0d9a76fde55e

[onyx heath]

how many gigs

[dreamy rose]

KFCs chips are pretty good. only part that's odd is the nuggets.

[dreamy rose]

ah a partnership. one greaseball to another. right.

[onyx heath]

onedrive seems better than google one here

2 dollars for onedrive 100gb while google one is 2.79

[full fossil]

1.59GBP per month is less than 2 dollars

[onyx heath]

ur lucky to be living somewhere where things arent god expensive

[full fossil]

Nevermind, I can't read

[onyx heath]

this is canadian dollars

[full fossil]

20% base rate tax here...

[onyx heath]

sales tax?

[full fossil]

As in sales tax btw

[onyx heath]

its 13% here

[full fossil]

Then we have additional tax on lots of things too

[onyx heath]

im lucky not to live more east

[full fossil]

Like fuel has 40% tax for instance

[onyx heath]

in those atlantic provinces its 15%

[onyx heath]

13% here

[full fossil]

31CAD a gallon here for petrol(gasoline)

[onyx heath]

we dont use gallons here

[full fossil]

So 7-8CAD a litre

[onyx heath]

im surprised the uk used gallons

[full fossil]

We don't here either lmfao

[onyx heath]

holy shit

[full fossil]

So tell me again how things aren't ungodly expensive here

0.61CAD/KWh electricity price here minimum

[onyx heath]

its $1.57/L here

[full fossil]

Damnnn

Yall seen the new vid? Tbh expected a lot more madness here

[onyx heath]

home electricity or?

[full fossil]

Yes residential

[onyx heath]

is whats on the sign for the lowest quality fuel

[full fossil]

We don't pay sales tax, businesses do so they are 23% higher

[onyx heath]

my dad has to use premium

[full fossil]

For electric I mean

[onyx heath]

as of may 15 premium gas was $1.79

[full fossil]

Our fuel is E15 too these days, so 15% ethanol, good for the environment

[onyx heath]

@full fossil is electricity charged differently at different times?

[full fossil]

Not usually

Although some people in certain places have what we call economy 7 tarrifs where you have 7 hours cheaper power but that is rare these days

[onyx heath]

where i am electricity is charged differently during different times of the day

like theres a off peak mid and a on peak

[full fossil]

Yeah, we used to have that

But now we have a government mandated price that is set

[onyx heath]

u can see more at https://www.oeb.ca/consumer-information-and-protection/electricity-rates

[full fossil]

Yeah I'm aware of your power grid, it's a interest of mine

We also have a daily charge of around 1CAD per meter, so one for gas and one for electric

That charge goes to the national grid who maintains the network

I pay extra for carbon neutral power, so mostly wind and nuclear

[next tinsel]

I have a question

is amazon actually reliable?

like for buying like GPU, CPU ect...

or not?

[full fossil]

I mean... That is a loaded question... It depends on where you live, what their relevant relationship with logistic networks are in that place ect... Usually they are fine. Although there have been some issues with them lately with computer parts and I would always encourage people to buy from local, small businesses where possible even if it costs slightly more

[onyx heath]

@full fossil here something we have that you dont

tesla full self driving beta

[full fossil]

Okay? FSR should not be allowed on any roads right now anyway

[next tinsel]

I live in Switzerland soo Amazon Deutschland (Germany) would be my "amazon" where I would buy stuff

but thanks anyway

[onyx heath]

whats FSR

[full fossil]

Full sell driving... You literally said it in you message

[onyx heath]

people tend to go by FSD

[full fossil]

Oh... Fucking dyslexia

[onyx heath]

@full fossil how much does it cost to charge a tesla in the uk?

[full fossil]

No idea I don't drive

You can do the math though, 0.61kwh*battery pack size

[onyx heath]

heres my question hows the public transit

[full fossil]

Public transport is pretty great here

Expensive for traveling outside a city though

[quasi wadi]

Just for fun: new game (distraction) to see if you'd be a good company content moderator or not: https://moderatormayhem.engine.is/

[onyx heath]

is it fast?

[full fossil]

Not particularly, but we are a small country so it doesn't need to be

We are building a new high speed rail line ATM north to south

[onyx heath]

public transit is horrible here

[full fossil]

Like you can travel basically the whole country by public transport

Which makes sense when you think about it, us being so small and having our industrial revolution rather early

[onyx heath]

that isnt possible where i am for going up north

all provinces you can but for territories thats a no

[brazen relic]

I know we say reality is stranger than fiction but that one's just straight up fiction

[slim yacht]

i mean apple music is just the same cost with spotify here with alac. maybe it aint fiction for some specific things

[small zephyr]

🤨 big f saw an keyboard i want to sell an kidney for

that fluxkeyboard thing looks awesome

[brazen relic]

the US has the same industrial revolution at the exact same time so them having so little properly usable public transportation and having that level of "being utterly fucked if you don't have a car" status has literally no excuses whatsoever

[full fossil]

Size and population density do play a part in it... With that said, they certainly could do better, but it would need a cultural shift

[small zephyr]

🤨 tf epic gifts death stranding again?

[brazen relic]

size, maybe, but not having affordable long range train nor proper transportation per city is ridiculous
the barebones transportation they got is only radiating like a star to make the suburbs somewhat "reachable" to the downtown areas but that's it

[full fossil]

Like I said, they could do better

[brazen relic]

here in France and from what I hear, most of the UK too got public transportation down to a science

[brazen relic]

a hell of a lot better
they could start at the very beginning, redoing the entire system from the ground up

[full fossil]

But they wont

They would have to cut spending on military to do that or take on a boatload more debt than they currently are

[brazen relic]

interested, I looked it up

I'm straight up coomin right now
this is one hell of a device

[small zephyr]

yeah that display keyboard thing is worth an kidney

[novel tendon]

Question
Is CL36 ddr5 ram good enough for 7600x?

[mint yacht]

What speed?

tCL dont matter all that much

[onyx heath]

dualsense cost $89.95 on apple while from best buy its $89.99 this something you dont see

[earnest bolt]

what is with literally off of the pc component companies frying sillicone or just having parts just melt/explode nowadays goddamn

we just need an Intel chip to set on fire and the trifecta of all of the major manufacturers having pipe bombs in the shape of a PCB will be complete

[burnt pilot]

Yo guys

I ddu Uninstalled and now my pc had a black screen

My pc isn't turned off as well

Do I sbht down my pc

[arctic charm]

Any reason a new stick of ddr5 ram would just up and quit working? Was working fine but now it won’t recognize in windows 11 but the rgb still works on it any suggestions?

Also not showing in bios A2 shows but B2 does not but B2 lights up and I’m not getting an error light on my motherboard telling me it’s not working

[knotty oracle]

its crazy that people actually believe the earth is round

[earnest bolt]

its crazy that people actually believe the earth isnt a tortoise

[knotty oracle]

[brazen relic]

why the hell would it be round
it's spherical smh

[earnest bolt]

With DDR5 RAM and the new generation of CPUS from both Intel and AMD, if i'm planning on building a new PC in the next 6 months would it be worth moving to the new Zen 4 architecture from AMD or buying a new (but obv now discounted) Zen 3 chip and DDR4

i'm still running a 2070 Super, I'm not upgrading every single year so

[earnest bolt]

my PC really is kind of a ship of thesus lmfao

[golden talon]

smartest tesla owner

[slim yacht]

if you can get discounted 5700x/5800x3d/5950x, then maybe its worth going for. otherwise going am4 can be worthwile. something like 7600x will perform similarly to 5800x3d per se and can handle any cards you throw at it

[earnest bolt]

actually holy shit yeah the 5600X3D is cheap right now goddamn

[slim yacht]

theres no 5600x3d man but yes 5800x3d is cheap now

[earnest bolt]

minor typo

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

when im running a r5 2400G it is gonna be an upgrade regardless lol

[slim yacht]

cpu change alone to am4 will boost the crap out of your fps lol

[earnest bolt]

Yeah im on an AM4

but im rebuilding to an ITX because my case is from 2005 and i need something that fits my life a bit better

and if im changing to an ITX and need a new mobo and such, may as well upgrade my CPU

[novel tendon]

5600mhz

It's vengeance RGB DDR5 5600mhz CL36

[mint yacht]

Try find a 6000 <C36 kit

[novel tendon]

Why?

Isn't 5600mhz enough for 7600x

[hollow niche]

When in doubt, consult reviews and benchmarks! Which from memory, show 5600 CL36 to be on par to 6000 CL40. But of course, 6000 CL36 will be better, but at what cost and is that worth it compared to spending it elsewhere? 🤷‍♂️

Everyone is always going to tell you to get something "more" or "better". It's up to you to decide the cost that's worth.

[earnest bolt]

its more

I know that price to performance for the 5800X3D and 7700 will be roughly equal

"can i really justify the extra cost of moving to a newer platform, which will probably have a much longer support life"

[mint yacht]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8yzhP6/corsair-vengeance-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl36-memory-cmk32gx5m2d6000c36

fwiw this is the cheapest 6000C36 kit on pcpp atm

[steep girder]

I keep getting suspicious virus-like dreck through discord

Discord updated and I got some wnidows service asking to allow through av firewall

What a load of drikes

Never trust those anime display pic microhpone-less weirdos

Just like in pubg

[slim barn]

Just like in life.

[steep girder]

On the bright side (no pun intended) just figured out how to fix hardware gamma on my screen

because 2023 quake 3 engine still messes it up if it crashes and doesnt have time to revert :P

[bold salmon]

Fun fact: GTA 5 is so fcking old that its on 3 whole playstations

[steep girder]

[tepid bolt]

GTA5 is so old it's older than most of it's players

[bold salmon]

(Ps3,4,5)

[steep girder]

Oof that is a scary thought

[slim barn]

7 platforms in total.

[merry anvil]

Is there a solution for the stopcode: ACPI BIOS ERROR?

[sudden kettle]

is it illegal to not activate windows?

[slim barn]

No.

[vital niche]

I'm telling Ballmer

[wind pulsar]

They'd prevent you from doing it if it was

[quick kettle]

[vital niche]

Linus definitely didn't do any tests on unlicensed Windows

Linus will definitely license all computer in the Lab environments

[wispy marsh]

generated art

[night heron]

is she single?

[wispy marsh]

Linus is happily married with three children

[night heron]

crazy to think they probably started making the game in 2008 or 2009

it was a truly groundbreaking game with how much content there is

[plush jungle]

my 3600 cpu has latyely become very trash with dual tasking just went to 32gb ram thinking that was it but its very sluggish now if i have a game open and try to do anything almost on the opther screen

[graceful burrow]

Temps?

[merry anvil]

Pls?

[graceful burrow]

#1027757333117415424

[full fossil]

is it just me or does almost every popular streamer on twitch look malnourished af

[humble tapir]

lmao

they all drinking soy

[wispy marsh]

I don't

The hololive ones look alright, but I've also never seen their faces

[full fossil]

Dr disrespect's legs.. look like toothpics too

[forest valve]

Yes the FBI will come after you in 1 business day

[jade snow]

did kingston a400 die or were they just slow?

[graceful burrow]

They were slow
Idk if they stopped making them but sata ssd with no dram is cringe

[jade snow]

they are 17$ for the 240gb on amazon

got a laptop with a christmas tree on diskmark

[eager notch]

This would be the cheapest SSD I'd recommend

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2vVmP6/intel-670p-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpeknu020tzx1

[jade snow]

I don't need troll answers

[eager notch]

This isn't a troll

[tepid bolt]

Probably 2010-ish since gta 4 came out in 2008

[jade snow]

Im asking for a 17$ 240gb sata3 and you send me a 2tb nvme thats probably 500$

[eager notch]

It's 70 bucks...

[jade snow]

Is it used server stock or something?

Anyway i want cheap

[slim mirage]

@jade snow what country?

[jade snow]

Us online stores

Not newegg, preferably Amazon

[eager notch]

No, but here's a 23 dollar ssd that's twice as big and a better SSD that is sata
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XshmP6/pny-cs900-500-gb-25-solid-state-drive-ssd7cs900-500-rb

[jade snow]

I don't need 500gb

[slim mirage]

ah can't help you unfortunately not from USA

[jade snow]

I barely need the 240gb, its just an old laptop there won't be anything saved

The a400 120gb is 16 and the 240gb is 17 so its an easy choice one over the other

And ill be buying 2 likely

I just remember everyone used to say hurr durr a400 bad. But never said why. So i was asking here

[eager notch]

It's probably fine then, I'm personally always looking for more storage

[slim mirage]

idk if its for stuff that isnt important just get something basic thats the cheapest i can see with decent speeds and decent reviews
https://pullyour.zip/up/05-21-chrome-8yfHS03PUldODsdNjPFQ.png

[jade snow]

Now thats podracing. Thanks

[eager notch]

Especially considering how insanely cheap ssds are.

You can buy a 2 TB nvme SSD for less than I paid for my first 240 gig SSD in 2015

[jade snow]

Theres a 250gb and a 240gb, would there be any difference?

[foggy crest]

what the

[slim mirage]

reviews are mixed but what can you expect for $14 people pay more for a single meal or a fancy coffee these days

[eager notch]

Even since 2021 ssds have dropped a lot

[foggy crest]

thats the same one i got 1 year ago on christmas

my mum got it for 38$ (cheapest price you can get)

[eager notch]

Ssds have dropped majorly even in the last 18 months, it's insane

[forest valve]

SSDeez

[slim mirage]

i see nvme drives go cheaper than sata drives now well more go on sale from what i can see

[pliant karma]

bro literally the intel 2tb 670p I got a few weeks back for like 89$ went down to 72 now at MC I am so tempted just to buy it again but I think I have enough nvmes to cover me

[eager notch]

I bought a 1 TB 970 Evo for 85 bucks on sale at black Friday last best m year,

Now it's regular price is 60 bucks and that's not even on sale

[velvet root]

I got one of those to use as my non-XBX game drive

[pliant karma]

nice yea I paid way too much for my 970 evo 2tb but it's been with me for 2 years now so

purely game drive as of now

[limpid shale]

i love how some stuff is just so cheap on amazon but

when u add shipping it costs more then product it self x2

[pliant karma]

in other words new laptop has shipped

I just gotta sign some release form for fedex to leave it on my porch since I do need to sign but I am not home when it arrives

[summer folio]

Think I bought mine 960 Evo 250GB for that much on sale

Lucky You only need 30GB for Windows & 30GB for 20 year old Warcraft III.

You used to fit Wc3 onto a 1GB RAM-Disk-Drive,
but then they 'upgraded" the graphics, & now you're forced to install the 30GB graphics that nobody uses.

[abstract wren]

hello

[junior mason]

What sort of specs do I need to host my own VPN?

(or rather I should say will a single core crappy Xeon with shared resources be enough?)

[graceful burrow]

Damn mod quick

[dawn anchor]

is it possible to split screen a monitor between 2 PCs?

[summer folio]

TV can support picture in picture at least

Used to watch news while playing Injustice: Gods among us

[long briar]

are you using openvpn?

[fossil frost]

if you are, stop, and use wireguard, openvpn is quite outdated and not as secure as you would want it to be

[long briar]

yea I was gonna ask

because openvpn is (weirdly) still really popular for self hosted vpn...

[junior mason]

Ye I read about that some time ago, I haven't set anything up yet in terms of VPN, on holiday and WhatsApp don't work, I have a VPS so thought I'd throw a VPN on there too

[dawn anchor]

i always watch wan show like it's a podcast when i only have 1 monitor lol

[fossil frost]

Tim from engineering on LTT, is exactly what i picture if somebody would say "hipster who is very particular on coffee and keyboards but in a blind test would never notice if you swapped them out"

[summer folio]

is Louis Rossman handicapped or why is he sitting in that huge chair?

[summer folio]

You don't really miss anything not-watching them read chat on their laptop

[jade snow]

can people not sit in big comfy chairs with cats?

[forest valve]

Not without another device to split them which would likely also need a small computer in it

[jade snow]

or one of those special monitors that can do it by themselves

i think LTT reviewed one that could divide into 4

[graceful burrow]

"No those people must be disabled" ~r3mpuh

[dawn anchor]

how would i be able to force frame generation when the monitor is off

i heard the gpu is disabled whenever there's no display out

[jade snow]

on laptops video output stops, i recently gave up on that and left the lid open

but on desktop as long as the monitor is connected it seems to work

i was using parsec like that, monitor off

[tardy terrace]

pls no shitposting

[jade snow]

@full fossil if you are dying go moan at an emergency room not here 💀

[tardy terrace]

oh don't apologize now, you already did it

[jade snow]

if you ahve been banned from 13 servers, have you ever thought, that maybe, perhaps, you are annoying to others or something?

[fossil frost]

or, probably an 11 year old child who is incapable of proper social interaction, and isnt actually allowed on discord

[jade snow]

ditch the apple products mate

pear phone better

[gilded quest]

🍌 📱

[spiral kindle]

any other secret mac users camping in here

[full fossil]

Is this supposed to be a emoji combo for nudes or something?

[full fossil]

Come out of the glass and stainless steel closet that costs $10,000. No need to hide your preferred operating system

[spiral kindle]

made me laugh hard XD

[full fossil]

Impossible.

Don't eat before sleep

"Better dead than bloated" - buzzfeed

[small zephyr]

🤨 i dont like linus recomodations for custom keyboards O_o 188 bucks is entry level?

[full fossil]

He offered lower options as alternatives

[small zephyr]

my ass mine was 48 bucks on aliexpress is hotswappable suprinsingly high quality and it comes with everything you need

[full fossil]

Did you skip that part?

[small zephyr]

welp i paid 14bucks extra for some outemu green's

[full fossil]

Your opinions are now invalid

[small zephyr]

im just watching it and 4minutes in

[full fossil]

I don't give a shit about someone's prefered OS but using a magic keyboard is a sin

[small zephyr]

horever if something is 188bucks "is entry" level what is mine? garbage level by that standart?

[small zephyr]

that mouse is a worse offense

[full fossil]

Each level has a budget alternative

[small zephyr]

fun fact do you know why apple keeps making this shit? because their customers dont give a fuck even through they should

[full fossil]

Owning a magic mouse is a sin so bad that those who darred use such an awful device get burnt at the stake.

Melatonin

Just Melatonin

[small zephyr]

magic keyboard and mouse is an perfect example of apple fanboys buying everything that apple throws at em instead of complaining and saying stop this

[full fossil]

At least in recent years apple has made some ok devices. But the magic keyboard and mouse is literally just a disgrace.

isheep buy now for £10,999.

Everything included.

[small zephyr]

🤔 hmmm my keyboard uses silicon instead of foam

[full fossil]

What the fuck

[small zephyr]

i like that silicon more since its only there so nothing sounds rattling

[full fossil]

What do you mean?

Foam 😂

Silicon

[small zephyr]

like when you spam space no matter how good the stabilizer are it will create some kind of ratlle

but if you have silicon or foam there it reduce/removes that

and it dampens the sound in general

[rancid zenith]

I have a macbook pro and my gaming desktop?

[full fossil]

Just make a hackintosh if you like macos

[pliant karma]

do you prefer plate mounted or gasket curious?

[full fossil]

Easy the hackintosh way.

[rancid zenith]

hey it wasn't my money that bought it. I just needed something with great battery life that I couldn't tinker with too much.

[small zephyr]

🤔 its an plate basicly that covers the whole board

[rancid zenith]

I used to hackintosh, it's too much work. although I do dualboot my mbp.

[pliant karma]

just screws into the bottom case of.

[small zephyr]

and i dunno which i prefer since this is my first customizable mechanical keyboard

[full fossil]

This a work laptop?

[rancid zenith]

nope. was my congrats on getting into uni present from my partner.

[pliant karma]

I see not bad we start somewhere lol I am tempted to grab another keyboard soon again

[small zephyr]

i had 2 cheap amazon ones one was an aukey with kalih blues and one was an sharkoon with kalih reds

[small zephyr]

🤔 mine i use atm is an wormier wk61

[pliant karma]

Keychron V1 🙂 not bad for stock minus the stabs being semi uneven but nothing like a bit of modding

[small zephyr]

its 48bucks on aliexpress its basicly an whole keyboard horever you can basicly modify everything on it

[rancid zenith]

mine's a keychron K1

best $5 I ever spent.

[small zephyr]

getting keyboards that are not the gaming retail stuff is hard to get in germany

like we sell only the classics like razer steel series corsair roccat etc

[pliant karma]

I do want a Q1 👀 thing is idk how I feel about the gasket though it shouldn't be too bad

[rancid zenith]

the Q1 is so expensive though x.x

[small zephyr]

🤔 i want the one i have right now in bigger as full sized im getting nuts at FN I to have arrow keys to forget to deactive it and write rubbish without noticing

[rancid zenith]

...or maybe I'm just hesitating because I have a bad habit of killing keyboards by accident.

[pliant karma]

oh I know trust me I am deep within the keyboard hobby to accept it lol