public-chat

[gilded quest]

oh yeah fuck OneUI
it's so.... samsungy

[harsh quartz]

They brick their own shit after 2 years on purpose, and they make their stuff buggy to make sure you upgrade

[gilded quest]

eh, that hasn't been my experience with samsung

[glass lantern]

Like I use Windows so Android seems unreasonably stable to me,

[hollow pulsar]

Lol

[gilded quest]

although Samsung hardware doesn't seem to last as long as other OEMs (ODMs?)

[stray apex]

Windows has never hard crashed because I edited a screenshot wrong

[harsh quartz]

It’s been mine and everyone in my families, hell, even Linus talks about how much he dislikes Samsung OS with his fold on wan show every week

[dreamy rose]

Anything is stable compared to Windows. even the wobbly bridge

[glass lantern]

To be fair to Microsoft Windows 7 was good.

operative word is "was"

[gilded quest]

Samsung software is very bloated

[hollow pulsar]

Actually, Windows is fairly stable as long as you don’t treat it like garbage.

[dreamy rose]

7 is highly overrated. Vista was 7

[stray apex]

Windows is pretty solid these days

[harsh quartz]

7 was great except task manager wasn’t

[raven pelican]

Actual facts

[stray apex]

I haven't had any major issues with my win 11 installs

[gilded quest]

Windows 10 is probably the best windows there's ever been

[dreamy rose]

"Garbage" as in using it as a Desktop?

[glass lantern]

Yeh I know but it took them so long to get vista to be stable that 7 got the glory and I never used Vista.

[gilded quest]

7 was great for the time but i would not want to use it today (even if it was fully secure)

[dreamy rose]

technically yes. but spyware is hardly any better

[harsh quartz]

Only bad thing about windows 10 is is the search function, because it doesn’t function, but windows 11 fixed that, windows 11 just has too much bloatware with ads and shit

[gilded quest]

idk, pick your corporate overlords
i sold my soul to google a decade ago and haven't looked back

[dreamy rose]

XP was the last truly solid release of Windows

[glass lantern]

Errr and stablity

[gilded quest]

PowerToys Run is alright

[harsh quartz]

I have had no stability issues with mine, on 10 or 11

[harsh quartz]

No idea what that is

[glass lantern]

like I could run windows 7 for months and all that would happen is it would get a bit sluggish.

[hollow pulsar]

As in using all the drive space, refusing to update, installing wacko utilities, manually editing reg keys cause some stranger told you to, running everything on boot, unstable overclocks, etc…

[raven pelican]

It's not super unstable tho

[glass lantern]

this is "back in the day"

[stray apex]

Nah
Win 11 best windows to date

[dreamy rose]

nothing wrong with Debloat. but 11 does have its own usability problems

[stray apex]

Basically all the complaints people used to have about windows are gone

[gilded quest]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/

[raven pelican]

Disagree
No windows best, because i can't see the world ending around me 🙂

[gilded quest]

[harsh quartz]

Oh yeah and the fuckin “sleep\shut down” bullshit but, how could I forget about that, any time I put my windows 11 laptop to sleep or shut the lid it turn itself off for NO REASON WHATSOFUCKINEVER

[glass lantern]

Lol no, sorry XP was good for it's time, but it did crash a lot.

same for 98.

[raven pelican]

XP is garbage

[dreamy rose]

no version of windows even come close to the "best" oses to exist.

[glass lantern]

ME never existed

[hollow pulsar]

Oh yea, don’t use sleep. Hibernate is fine if you don’t change your hardware.

[raven pelican]

No OS is the "best"

Because they're all flawed

[dreamy rose]

i mean. Linux.

[harsh quartz]

Just closing the lid turns my fucking laptop off and it’s incredibly frustrating

[gilded quest]

XP was great at the time
yeah it's pretty bad in 2023

[hollow pulsar]

Find/change the setting for what to do when the lid is closed.

[harsh quartz]

It’s set to go to sleep, idk why it decides to kill itself

[raven pelican]

All fun and games until you have to jump through hoops to get your monitor to run at native res because early samsung hdmi things or when you want to use an NVIDIA GPU or when you want to do things that were built for windows (videogames anyone?)

[dreamy rose]

i did that becausew high school and ppl love to mash that power button/smack the lid down

[hollow pulsar]

I’ll bet it’s a hardware device not playing nicely.

[glass lantern]

What I mean is that it was a big improvement over 98, but like still it was pretty unstable. like I would get at least 20 crashes a year.

[raven pelican]

also have fun trying to find the problem when your install kills itself randomly

[harsh quartz]

I’ve heard a lot of issues surrounding sleep modes in windows 11, including from the ltt crew in certain videos

[gilded quest]

I'll be honest
most of my memories of using XP are on school computers

[harsh quartz]

XP is best windows because it had 3d pinball

[gilded quest]

like windows xp in '08

[dreamy rose]

Games run fine on Linux wdym? and no that's not an issue. Linux runs just fine on my GT540M.

[hollow pulsar]

Enable full crash dump and next time it happens, see if it generates a crash log. That should tell you what device caused it (use windbg). Maybe check for updated drivers or something for that device.

[raven pelican]

Trolling?

Or are you a linux coper too

[dreamy rose]

never had to fiddle with Resolution to get it right.

[raven pelican]

You obviously never had to use an older samsung hdmi monitor

And had to manually override EDID after every boot to get it to run native res

[dreamy rose]

Protons only problem is Anticheat. which the big ones support linux. but Developers dont

[raven pelican]

Or you know actual game support at all

[dreamy rose]

do you know about ProtonDB?

[raven pelican]

Or you know getting them to run with an NVIDIA GPU without torturing yourself

[raven pelican]

Native game support 🙂

No matter how hard you try, linux isn't there yet and you can't deny it

[dreamy rose]

guess how many games have Borked status on ProtonDB?

[hollow pulsar]

Would a game be on Proton if it was borked?

[dreamy rose]

414 games have an Unplayable status on Linux.

[dreamy rose]

yes. thats the point of ProtonDB. to check and see what does and doesnt work.

[raven pelican]

different distros behave differently
different hw behaves differently
each install can be different

[hollow pulsar]

Is it a dupe of winedb?

[raven pelican]

mostly the whole distros thing

[glass lantern]

to be fair though, it might have just been that my PC's were crap when I had windows XP, because I got windows 7 with my first decent PC. And I have given it to my mother and it has never crashed with windows 10 although she doesn't leave it on 24/7 and just sleep while not being used.

[dreamy rose]

its its own thing with its whole Steam based stuff and deck things. ProtonDB is more specific too.

they have 5 ranks ranking from Unusable/Anticheat blocks you to Runs perfect with proton. and then theres Native stuff which kinda doesnt count.

[hollow pulsar]

Gotchya, thanks for clearing that up. I’m familiar with winedb, not Proton stuff.

[dreamy rose]

hu only 2 of the top 10 are listed borked on ProtonDB

probably just R6 and PUBG at this point

like come on Battleye has Linux support.

hell my rather small library in comparison to everyone elses has nothing rated under Silver.

for 65 games thats good

and borked stuf on my wishlist is stuff i'm not screaming to play again so i have zero reason to worry

[manic torrent]

Exactly. This is why most people have their opinions, it's absolutely affected by the timing and general personal experience.

[tardy terrace]

it's literally a blizzard of cottonwood outside rn

holy shit

[dreamy rose]

cottonwood sounds like an actor.

[tardy terrace]

Nnnno.

It's a type of tree

[dreamy rose]

ik the name just sounds like an Actors last name.

"Jordon Cottonwood" in Treefall

[nimble monolith]

hello

[long briar]

nr400 or nx200

they cost the same and pop mini air is oos

[unreal glacier]

Anyone here excited about the upcoming VR headset from Apple?

[dreamy rose]

which one sounds cooler to you

[dreamy rose]

i'm not i want them to stay away from VR.

[unreal glacier]

oh so there's a VR channel here lol

[dreamy rose]

it does nothing but bring in these Apple fanboys who only care about the eaten apple sticker on the thing

and if its 3k it has no reason to even survive.

in the end it flops it gives VR a bad name

[unreal glacier]

I don't think it's 3k. It's just that there might be an advanced version that would cost 3k. Kinda like the Quest which has two versions: Q 2 and Q Pro, with the latter being £1500 (now reduced to 1k)

[long briar]

cooling wise close enough?

[stray apex]

Yeah, I don't think anyone else can really make ar hmds publicly acceptable

[dreamy rose]

the first version is gonna cost 3K. and with the market being this way hell no is that gonna survive unless its like 5K ultra fast 240Hz Standalone VR or whatever.

its not possible.

[stray apex]

3k for a high end AR headset is perfectly normal

[dreamy rose]

only problem they have is the fact they arent worth Trillions to do it.

[unreal glacier]

I remember Steve Ballmer saying something similar to that about the first version of iPhone ("who is gonna pay 700 dollars for a phone that doesn't have buttons?") 😛

[dreamy rose]

this is meant for the consumer. the VR Chat kids. the Beat Sabre Bros.

[stray apex]

No it fucking isn't lmao

[dreamy rose]

what else is a standalone headset for then?

[stray apex]

Apple has some of the best marketing in the world
They're not stupid enough to try to sell a first gen $3000 device to consumers

[dreamy rose]

they are stupid enough to sell a fucking monitor stand for 1000 dollars and wheels for 700. what makes you think they would suddenly smarten up on a VR Headset?

[stray apex]

Hololens is $3500

IVAS is
I don't even know how much they expected to pay per unit

[dreamy rose]

Hololens is fucking dead. we only have WMR.

[vapid smelt]

Training

[dreamy rose]

which again only some of the cheapest headsets use anyway

[dreamy rose]

they have Pimax 5K headsets for training.

[stray apex]

No, wmr is dead

[unreal glacier]

Both holo and WMR are dead.

[stray apex]

Microsoft is definitely still going for those defense dollars

[dreamy rose]

they can afford to buy these what seem ridiculously priced headsets to us for training easily

theres nothing a Standalone can do that a PCVR setup cant. and yes Training is still PCVR because thats what they are using to run the thing.

[vapid smelt]

https://www.equipmentworld.com/the-dirt/video/15352360/video-teleo-ceo-on-retrofitting-equipment-for-remote-control or off site work equipment

[dreamy rose]

same for Console VR. they are effectively worse versions of PCVR

[dreamy rose]

ok but that doesnt REQUIRE standalone.

[stray apex]

No lmao
IVAS is not desktop vr

Imagine US infantry looking for power outlets to plug their AR desktops into

[unreal glacier]

Curious: what's the maximum amount of money you are willing to pay for a VR headset made by Apple?

[vapid smelt]

It makes everything super simple

[stray apex]

They're very much an amd shill/Linux fanboy so

[dreamy rose]

none. because i don't buy apple products. bt if i HAD to give a price. at absolute MAX it'd be 1500. nothing more.

[vapid smelt]

M1 silicon got to rtx 3060 performance in shadow of the tomb raider

[stray apex]

M3 powered hmd lmao

It's gonna be fucking hilarious when apple has the most powerful standalone hmd on the market and no games on it

[dreamy rose]

becase if its actually better than a Quest Pro is. it kinda deserves to be priced high. but again apple gets too greedy with the pricing and it becomes NOT worth it.

[unreal glacier]

With you on that one. As much as I love VR it's not worth it to pay anything more than 2k. I didn't even buy the Quest Pro when it was 1.5k. Bought it only after price was reduced to 1k

[dreamy rose]

the PSVR2 is practically making every high end option obsolete once drivers drop. and they are somewhat close to it so. price drop on PSVR2 and then boom. best option.

its just the price of a PS5 rn.

[stray apex]

Eh, standalone is the future

[dreamy rose]

they have plenty of room to move down the price.

[dreamy rose]

you could say that or you could say that Standalone PCVR is the future. where Valve is going.

[stray apex]

Nah

Valves standalone isn't going to be pcvr

[dreamy rose]

Absolutely. its the best of both worlds.

[stray apex]

It's almost certainly going to be a console like the deck

[dreamy rose]

a standalone headset with a APU add on isnt ridiculous. its what they are going for.

[fallen cliff]

hey

what’s the best cpu for a 600$ build

[dreamy rose]

there's proof of it datamined in SteamVR source code, and we haven't had any sort of announcement of what Deckard is gonna be. they probably just are waiting for powerful enough APUs to run VR. which will probably happen next gen if not the next one after.

[stray apex]

12100 for $90 on amazon rn

[fallen cliff]

i3?

[manic torrent]

... it depends, but generally intel

[fallen cliff]

ok

Actually I might go for the i5 12th gen

I can fit that extra 50$ in

[stray apex]

Probably out of your budget

[fallen cliff]

I can try to fit in a extra 50$

I’ll see at the end if everything goes to plan.

What’s a good 12th gen motherboard? That isn’t 175-200$

[manic torrent]

If you can find second hand stuff you're often better off. Particularly with GPU, but sometimes for CPU etc

[dreamy rose]

you found a GPU you could use in this budget?

[fallen cliff]

nope

[dreamy rose]

if you cant manage theres the 5000G series AMD makes.

[fallen cliff]

Alr

[tiny saffron]

VTEC

[dreamy rose]

RPM on fan? lame its not mhz on the GPU.

[glass lantern]

I think you would be better off saving a bit more because $200 extra would mean making a lot less sacrifices, if it's mainly for gaming that $200 is probably going to go to the GPU.

[dreamy rose]

good point to go for a decent igpu now if they cant fit it in.

[glass lantern]

although honestly if your main goal is gaming like you can't deny the value of a console.

[fallen cliff]

I mean I already have the ram and ssd

[dreamy rose]

AM4 is probably gonna be downright cheaper in the end.

[fallen cliff]

I’m trying to get a pc rn

I already have a console and I’m bored of it had it for 2 years

[dreamy rose]

PS5s aren't worth the trouble at this point and well Series X is the best console out there in general so yeah.

[dreamy rose]

which one?

[fallen cliff]

Ps5, I picked that because of the keyboard and mouse delay is way less then Xbox series x

[glass lantern]

wasn't trying to push you toward a console, it's I simply meant exactly what I said that a console is a good value for the hardware at least.

[dreamy rose]

PC would be a major upgrade for you

[fallen cliff]

yea

[fallen cliff]

Oh alr

[dreamy rose]

but yeah if you cant manage a GPU. get an iGPU then save up and buy ASAP.

[stray apex]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L2x36r

[fallen cliff]

my total is 623$

6600xt and i5 12th gen

Is that good

[dreamy rose]

dont think you are gonna fit an i5 in there.

[fallen cliff]

Why

[stray apex]

What did you cheap out on

[glass lantern]

do you already have a monitor?

[tardy terrace]

psu, ram, chipset

[stray apex]

Or are you counting MIR?

[glass lantern]

you said you have the SSD and RAM

[fallen cliff]

Psu, ram, and ssd I already have

[stray apex]

Oh
Well
In that case

[dreamy rose]

if thats the case then a GPU and AMD CPU shouldnt be too hard to grab.

[glass lantern]

like I suppose though a ~144Hz 1080p monitor would be fine.

which isn't expensive nowerday

[fallen cliff]

Go to #lttstore

I sent a screen shot

[echo canopy]

Should really be getting at least 1440 these days

[dreamy rose]

how much is the R5 5600? that should be good value since you get a good cooler with it ahem intel ahem

[stray apex]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k3wsqm

[glass lantern]

Yeh but if you are going for a 6600 like you aint running 1440p.

I suppose you could run FSR and FSR2.0 until your next GPU upgrade.

[dreamy rose]

now that's a good pairing

[fallen cliff]

I’m fine with the i5

[dreamy rose]

thats pretty much perfect.

[dreamy rose]

dont need the i5. the R5 is better.

[fallen cliff]

i5 is faster

There’s bench marks

[dreamy rose]

better value and comes with a not shit cooler already.

[fallen cliff]

I already got a cooler

[stray apex]

Userbenchmark is not actually a benchmarking website

[dreamy rose]

what cooler? intel stock is something nobody should use.

[dreamy rose]

^ userbenchmark are a bunch of Intel fanboys huffing copium.

[fallen cliff]

Check #lttstore I sent a screen shot there of my cart

[glass lantern]

humm the 6650XT is going up in price and it's such a shame there is a gap in the market between the 6600 and 6800XT like that is a wide performance gap but the 6650XT 6700XT and 6800 are just not good Price/Perf compared to the 6600 and 6800XT

[dreamy rose]

get what Light sent here

its with a better GPU

[fallen cliff]

I don’t want micro atx and second the airflow on that is crap

[vapid smelt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nxgg2m

[stray apex]

Why do you not want matx

[fallen cliff]

just don’t want it I don’t like it

[stray apex]

...

[dreamy rose]

then look at a different motherboard, AM4 is cheap.

[fallen cliff]

why would I need a new motherboard?

I’m just buying the stuff I have in my cart rn

[tardy terrace]

pls no

[dreamy rose]

making a mistake leaving out that RX 6700 XT

[fallen cliff]

I don’t have the budget for it

[tardy terrace]

save a few more pennies

[dreamy rose]

then dont buy the i5.

[stray apex]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MH3T8r

[dreamy rose]

you dont need the i5

you dont want the i5 over the R5.

[fallen cliff]

I do

[tardy terrace]

What games do you play

[dreamy rose]

at the cost of a Worse GPU? i think not

[fallen cliff]

it runs faster and it literally like 20$ more

it’s 20$ more

[glass lantern]

6700XT is only 36% faster than the 6600 but 60% more expensive

[dreamy rose]

where are you getting your benchmarks?

[stray apex]

The GPU is way more important

[polar fern]

Well this exists… https://a.co/d/arx2wlN

[dreamy rose]

yea ofc they do. because gamers will take anything.

[stray apex]

5600 is faster in games, not that it really matters

[polar fern]

🫠

[dreamy rose]

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i5_12400f-vs-amd_ryzen_5_5600

[stray apex]

What matters is the better gpu you can get

[fallen cliff]

I like the 6600xt the 6700xt is 100$ more for barely anymore performance

[stray apex]

You do you

[fallen cliff]

Alr

[polar fern]

6600xt 8 gig is good for the $

[dreamy rose]

still faster. if you dont want the better performance your loss.

[stray apex]

Not when you can fit a 6700xt into the same budget

[dreamy rose]

if the 6700 XT has got 4GB more VRAM then its clearly the better buy.

[stray apex]

https://youtu.be/RflthjLrNSA

[polar fern]

$100 may not be in the budget for some

[fallen cliff]

100$ more for around 10-20 fps more

[stray apex]

Yeah, except in this case we have their budget and it is

[fallen cliff]

that’s funny lmao

[polar fern]

🤷‍♂️

[tawdry drum]

I have a strange pc issue wondering if anyone has any suggestions: my (windows 10) pc has massive interference when using Bluetooth audio devices (airpods, headphones). Seems to be almost location based. If I move my head the stuttering will increase or decrease. I read that this is possibly because of the wifi, which would kind of line up with this... My macbook pro on the other hand, does not experience these issues. Does anyone know why this would happen/how to fix it?

[dreamy rose]

again why does @fallen cliff want to buy an Inferior combo? just because of the Intel brand? why would you not do this?

[polar fern]

Cordless phone?

[dreamy rose]

Windows does not mix with bluetooth.

they are like mortal enemies or something

[glass lantern]

like 6650XT is better Price Perf than the 6700XT, it's an

22% more performance than the 6600 for 25% more money

vs

36% more performance for the 6700XT for 60% more money.

[tawdry drum]

hmm good to know. Don't have a lot of experience with windows obv

[glass lantern]

if you want a step up at least the 6650XT isn't that bad

[polar fern]

MacBooks have their antennas in the screen bezel area. Very good location. Desktop pc usually has the antenna on the inside under the front panel or front io area

[stray apex]

Yeah, except raw performance for the budget is what matters because they're not saving any moneu

They're just spending the money on shit that won't improve their PC

[tawdry drum]

would it be within the mobo? Mine is custom

[dreamy rose]

should keep it that way and use KDE Neon instead of Windows. same experience but 1000x better desktop

[woven hatch]

hey

[polar fern]

Custom what? The front io cabling can carry the bluetoth data

[glass lantern]

Erm not sure I am quite getting what your saying, but like if he was gonna go for a 12400F thats plenty to take advantage of a 6650XT

[dreamy rose]

and what for? the Brand? this is just stupid tbh.

[stray apex]

Nah, they can easily fit a 6700xt, but they'd rather go for slightly worse performance for as far as I can tell the same price and no good reason

It's not like they're saving that money for lunch or anything

They're just
Spending it on things that don't matter instead

[polar fern]

If it’s using a m.2 network card for Bluetooth, it should have an antenna cable somewhere

[stray apex]

Like, if someone can afford a 4090 but they get a 4080 instead because they play at 1440p, hey, good for them
If they're instead buying a 4080 so they can fit a dozen Corsair RGB fans in their build
Well

[polar fern]

Wondering if the antenna cable is disconnected

[tawdry drum]

I dont have a network card. I think my motherboard has built in bluetooth? thats a thing right?

[manic torrent]

I only have 9 corsair RGB fans in my build

[polar fern]

It’s possible but you’d still need an antenna

[dreamy rose]

yes. however wifi stuff can be excluded on Mobos too.

[tawdry drum]

I do have an antenna but I think its for wifi, though the board functions without it so I jhust have it sitting in my closet

[stray apex]

Well, that's clearly a responsible amount of performance enhancing rgb

[polar fern]

There should be two antennas. One Wi-Fi one Bluetooth

[full fossil]

someone just made a comment on my hunched posture and i immediately bought a posture corrector #selfconscious

thats what i get for sitting at my rig for 5 hours a day

[polar fern]

Poor posture can really wreck your body

[full fossil]

yep, didnt even notice until they said something too

[manic torrent]

I mean, that's just the start. I spent more on watercooling and RGB than I did on my video card.

[polar fern]

From your toes to your head, poor posture can cause issues

[dreamy rose]

that's why i wanna escape the physical world ASAP. bodies. they just suck. but well stuck with em better take care.

[stray apex]

Don't you have a 4090 or something

[manic torrent]

3080ti

[full fossil]

dont count on death too hard unless you believe in religion we dont know what happens after death

[stray apex]

Yeah, so at the time you weren't exactly compromising performance

[polar fern]

@tawdry drum photo of back of pc & the board would help

[manic torrent]

yeah we pretty much do.

[tawdry drum]

sure 1 sec

[dreamy rose]

i wouldn't rather die i'd just rather be digital.

[manic torrent]

at the time I had a 3070, but 3080s were unavailable and EXTREMELY expensive.

[polar fern]

We don’t even know what life is yet. 🤣

[full fossil]

time to correct my posture before i die looking like a goddamn hunch back neckbeard

[stray apex]

Sold my 5700xt for $600 more than I paid
Good times

[polar fern]

That’s an image

[manic torrent]

Your consciousness ceases to exist, and your energy and matter is redistributred.

[full fossil]

^

death is scary but im not scared of dying, just not being conscious for the hundreds of millions of years the universe will exist and forget about me

[polar fern]

Smol cat

I think he’s like 6 months old here

[manic torrent]

I have blacked out from nearly dying before. solid meh.

[full fossil]

jeez, why were you so close to death?

[manic torrent]

anaphylaxis + asthma = bad times

[full fossil]

i need to be immortalized in some way before i die, im gonna make a mark on the world someway somehow ideally i want to blow up a hole in the moon that is my face but if that doesnt work ill get a billboard in a deserted town with my face made of solid titanium

[manic torrent]

I felt my vision close in, I felt falling.... that's it. woke up in intensive care, intubated.

[full fossil]

now that is what i call a wombo combo

[dreamy rose]

did it feel instantanious?

[manic torrent]

more or less. It was more... discontinuous.

[dreamy rose]

so you felt some time as you were unconscious?

[manic torrent]

No, that's the point - it wasn't "instantaneous", there was just nothing in between.

not nothing like 0 time, nothing like... undefined

[tawdry drum]

Well did some more testing: I have a thing that plugs into jack and transmits output from jack to the device directly. While this did not wokr for my airpods for whatever reason it did with my headphones. Thanks for input ab windows and bluetooth not working well together, that gave me the idea to try this lmao

[dreamy rose]

Windows in general really doesn't work that well so i guess it's no surprise Bluetooth is kinda crap on it.

[gilded quest]

weirdly bluetooth has been great on my windows desktop recently

[stray apex]

It's fine most of the time

[dreamy rose]

odd but in a good way cause it actually works for you.

[echo canopy]

It still has horrible latency compared to linux or hardline

[dreamy rose]

Again KDE is a largely superior experience and linux is supposed to be the hard one to use.

[echo canopy]

linux is supposed to be the hard one to use.
Not really

[gilded quest]

it autoconnects to my stereo set of nest audios and they work fantastic as pc speakers

[humble tapir]

KDE?

I use Unity :^)

[gilded quest]

Unreal engine better

[humble tapir]

not that one

[dreamy rose]

don't say that around here, you might make someone who doesn't know any better get annoyed at you

[gilded quest]

Assassins Creed IV is better than Assassins Creed Unity

[dreamy rose]

literally best Desktop experience you could ever have.

[humble tapir]

also I'm STILL running memtest86

I'm getting bored to death

This is my third run

[echo canopy]

why are you running memtest86?

[humble tapir]

I'm mix-matching RAM, and the OC I had applied no longer is stable

because the odd stick out can't keep up

The motherboard explicitly states that it supports what I'm doing, so it has to be OC instability

but 3200MHz was just barely giving errors. I'm trying 3066MHz now.

Whenever I get to block-move (test 6), there's a chance it starts acting up

[rare hamlet]

where should I download cinebench?

[gilded quest]

windows store

[stray apex]

From the website?

[rare hamlet]

Ok

What’s the other bench tester with that orange ball thing that looks like an eye @gilded quest

[drifting canopy]

furmark ... ?

[fossil widget]

What a lovely looking cinnamon roll you have

[gilded quest]

happy fun ball?

[rare hamlet]

[fossil widget]

[rare hamlet]

You know what I’m talking about whats the name of it

[long briar]

Guys it's clearly a fuzzy donut.

[gilded quest]

...fuzzy

[drifting canopy]

furmark

[fossil widget]

fuzzymark

[gilded quest]

gaping arsehole

[long briar]

I said fury with the extra r

[drifting canopy]

yeah don't use that

[long briar]

Lmao

[dreamy rose]

dont. its Warshipped

[rare hamlet]

Oh it’s bad

[drifting canopy]

yes

[rare hamlet]

So just use cinebench

[fossil widget]

warshipped?

[drifting canopy]

cinebench is for cpu

furmark is mainly for gpu

[gilded quest]

the filter

[fossil widget]

ah oki

[drifting canopy]

but I think there's a cpu test in furmark too ...

anyway for stability testing use occt

[dreamy rose]

its not even a benchmark. Furmark is for stability testing and thermals and what not

[drifting canopy]

furmark is for vrm testing and that's it

[gilded quest]

furmark is a space heater test

[drifting canopy]

it's not even good for testing core stability

[rare hamlet]

Dang Cinebench is really testing the limits of my pc it’s getting hot

[dreamy rose]

doing its job

[rare hamlet]

Yea my pc sounds like a jet engine I just set the fans to max

I didn’t realize my fans where on silent oops

[dreamy rose]

that aint no PC thats a PS4

[rare hamlet]

😂

Yea my ps4 gets very loud

[full fossil]

How to slee

Sleep

[rare hamlet]

Yet again I haven’t cleaned my ps4 since I got it

[dreamy rose]

makes up for the graphical loss that War Thunder has on PS4

[full fossil]

Guys how do I sleep

[dreamy rose]

seriously the water on the PS4 Version looked like ass compared to even Xbox

[rare hamlet]

Put your phone away get comfortable close your eyes and count the sheep

[full fossil]

Who said I'm on a phone?

[dreamy rose]

he is the phone

[full fossil]

I'm on my smart fridge

No joke

[visual hatch]

i know everyone on the forum and comments is talking about this, but what in the hell is the business team's excuse for the latest sponsor, "EightSleep"??
If I recall correctly, Linus on more than one occasion, complained about subscription models to use features built in. The mattress topper costs $2,295 USD + Tax. Thats okay, it's got cool tech, and is something new. Some are willing to pay this early adopters fee. Okay, so we go to purchase it. As mentioned in the video, the topped can do -10 to 10. There are subscription models to cool your mattress topper. The "Pro Plan" gives you -5 to 5 control, and a few other features. The "Pro Plan" is $15 a month. The "Plus Plan" is $24 a month, and you can do -10 to 10 temperature, and a few other features. If we're going to complain about Tesla locking extra performance built into the vehicle behind a fee, BMW and Mercedes locking heated seats into a monthly payment, doesnt this seem hypocritical for it to be fine on this mattress topper? I hope this sponsor gets re-thinked. Once I saw the subscription for a not very cheap product, I was instantly turned away.

[neon mesa]

Subscription on a fucking mattress

[visual hatch]

Also, some people have said that it is required to have purchased 12 months worth of their subscription to even purchase the product? Why should something, like a mattress topper even be connected to a damn server?

[neon mesa]

What's next, i need to sub to breathe

[visual hatch]

[full fossil]

linus should make a watercooled moniter 😐

[dreamy rose]

whats there to cool?

[neon mesa]

Wait... A mattress topper?

[full fossil]

the leds 🙂

[visual hatch]

yep

[humble tapir]

that's incredibly stupid

[neon mesa]

Not even the mattress itself??

[visual hatch]

$2200 USD plus tax

for a damned mattress topper

[full fossil]

what happens if you dont pay? they come and midnight and pull the mattress from under you?

[humble tapir]

$2200 + monthly subscription for a topper

[neon mesa]

2.2k on top of a subscription!
Even ngreedia seems generous

[humble tapir]

that's just disgusting

[visual hatch]

you have to pay. you cant buy the topper if you dont pay for 12 months of subscription upfront

[humble tapir]

How much did they pay LMG to shill their shit product?

[visual hatch]

literally the most stupid shit ever

[full fossil]

around 400-300 CAD

[humble tapir]

Bruh

[dreamy rose]

nvidia would gladly make you pay a subscription for DLSS

[visual hatch]

no to mention, "LMG Internally vets all sponsored products, including products sent to us from the sponsor and products we purchase ourselves"

[humble tapir]

vets?

[visual hatch]

something a lmg employee said on the forum in response to a ugreen complaint

[dreamy rose]

you hate that word dont you?

[full fossil]

Intel should make a subsciption to use their e cores

[humble tapir]

That's a very shitty verb

for a very shitty explanation

fitting for a very shitty product

[full fossil]

if you dont pay for your e cores you can't use them

[visual hatch]

intel already made a subscription to unlock 2 extra cores a little bit back

well, a 1 time purchase

[humble tapir]

Imagine paying Intel monthly to get +500MHz

[dreamy rose]

wasnt that the pentium gift card?

[visual hatch]

shareholders would love this

[neon mesa]

The 1 time purchase thing is fine tbh
Allows people to buy now and unlock extra perf later
Subscription however is shit

[visual hatch]

nah i dont remember, i just remember linus talking about it on wan or hearing it somewhere else

[full fossil]

imagine paying AMD to use their 3D Vcache

[visual hatch]

, especially having tiered subscriptions to unlock extra cooling/heating

[dreamy rose]

they wouldnt do it not like they could,

[neon mesa]

Subscription makes sense for a service
A cash grab for a product that doesn't need constant software upkeep

[visual hatch]

also is it just me or does their marketing all look like some noob did it in photoshop? 😂

[humble tapir]

My question is

who in the hell thinks all of these pointless internet-of-shit devices + subscriptions are actually in-demand AT ALL

[gilded quest]

its so fucked
I am actually okay with them charging out the ass for it up front IF there was no subscription plan at all

[visual hatch]

i'd be like "okay cool, early adopter fee" but that subscription is obvious they're trying to make money

[humble tapir]

They're trying to extort*

[dreamy rose]

who thinks i wanna pay for heated seats monthly like who tf are you?

[full fossil]

Imagine EKWB making a subscription to turn on your pump 💀 💀 💀 💀

[visual hatch]

i mean hell, theres no need for a internet connection... on a matress topper. Tesla can unlock your car door if your bluetooth device is in range, afterall

[gilded quest]

i think investors are demanding recurring revenue these days

[humble tapir]

Imagine you buy a 140mm fan, and you have to pay Be Quiet! $5 a month for a zero RPM mode

[visual hatch]

they are. which is why tesla charges for supercharging and premium connectivity now

[neon mesa]

At that point get a $200 mini split hvac

That will work infinitely better

And doesn't charge you $24 a month on top of electricity

[gilded quest]

fuck tesla

[visual hatch]

make a waterbed with cooling outside for when it's 0 degrees in the winter

[gilded quest]

i'm glad a got an ealy 2010s car with no internet connection bs

[visual hatch]

tesla is a software company in the end

[humble tapir]

a bad one

[gilded quest]

they certainly aren't a PR company

[dreamy rose]

at least then GM was just crap software and not subscriptions

[visual hatch]

tesla software is superior in the EV market compared to the competition

[humble tapir]

Their CEO has stage fright half the damn time

[gilded quest]

i have a kia soul but yes

[visual hatch]

lol

[dreamy rose]

still.

[visual hatch]

so you'd rather have someone read off a script to the word than someone who has a genuine fear?

[neon mesa]

What i want is a 98 civic and rice the fuck out of it

[dreamy rose]

their CEO is fucking insane.

[humble tapir]

I'd rather them actually make a sentence without stuttering 20 times

[gilded quest]

man

i used to be such an elon fan in high school

i was very cringe 10 years ago 😭

[full fossil]

I love forgetting my meds

[gilded quest]

you should try being on them

[visual hatch]

imagine not being a elon fan

[humble tapir]

oh god 🤮

[full fossil]

If I do I feel high

[dreamy rose]

i remember when we sat in class and read a digitally scanned newspaper about Elon's space roadster

[neon mesa]

Elon's still pretty cool ignoring the politic part

[humble tapir]

found the Elon fanboy

[full fossil]

I love Elon too

[humble tapir]

I just love vaporware guys

[visual hatch]

i disagree with the latter, but i respect anyones opinion. i'm happy you havent formed the "fuck elon" opinion due to recent events

[dreamy rose]

i dont wanna fuck him.

[gilded quest]

i think the twitter acquisition has shown everyone that Elon does not have a master plan for everything he does, and sometimes, he's a complete moron

[stray apex]

Eh
His ideas on the wider scale are mostly okay
But he needs to take a step back and stop trying to execute on them

[full fossil]

💀

[humble tapir]

I think he's a moron most of the time

[stray apex]

Elon needs to stop trying to be a CEO or whatever

[humble tapir]

Most of his current endeavors aren't actually sustainable nor profitable

[stray apex]

He's clearly not cut out for it

[gilded quest]

how long till twitter defaults

[dreamy rose]

he should be a CVO like linus

[full fossil]

How do I touch grass

[humble tapir]

SpaceX? Not sustainable. StarLink? Trying to survive off government money alone.

[stray apex]

No, Linus still has too much direct involvement

[neon mesa]

SpaceX is still one of his most sustainable
It's literally the US's only spacecraft to the ISS
Either that or we soften sanctions on russia and use ancient soyuz again

[stray apex]

Elon musk would probably be most successful if he literally just paid more qualified people to do shit for him

[humble tapir]

SpaceX seems to be on the brink of collapsing.

[stray apex]

His interference seems to just be problematic

[full fossil]

Wtf do sanctions even do China exists

[neon mesa]

I won't make assumptions without proof

[polar fern]

Uh huh https://www.pcworld.com/article/1923963/an-exploit-can-reveal-your-keepass-master-password-in-plaintext.html

[gilded quest]

eh, never heard of KeePass before

[stray apex]

China doesn't have nearly the same capability to export high end military electronics

For instance, without sensors from thales Russian tanks are blind

Germany does shitloads of diesel engines

Avionics as well

[visual hatch]

Nothing is profitable from day 1

Also, spacex is one of the most sustainable private space companies

[neon mesa]

SpaceX is probably the most successful space agency out there
ESA doing jackshit
China is doing fine but the US not gonna work with them.

India still doesn't have a crew rated spacecraft

[visual hatch]

The Canadian space agency does jackshit also

[neon mesa]

And NASA is still stuck on SLS Money sinkhole

And russia?
Still uses Soviet era soyuz

[visual hatch]

Also... spaceX won the contract for the artemis 4/5 HLS

[neon mesa]

You can dislike someone but credits where its due
It's almost like nothing is black and white

[stray apex]

Doesn't SpaceX have people specifically to convince Elon to fuck off

[visual hatch]

Agreed. You may dislike a PM/President/Queen/King for any reason but it's still cool to meet them in person

[dreamy rose]

that'd be funny

[neon mesa]

Absolute fanboyism and the opposite, absolute hate, is a plague in society.

Objectivism is the optimal way

[stray apex]

Objectively
Elon has not demonstrated the ability to personally run a company well

[neon mesa]

He's not the best but to straight say he can't run is just ignoring reality considering the amount of companies he started and did well.
Before anyone try to discredit with "he has outside help" who doesn't?
There are still bad CEOs that run the company to the ground even with outside help

[gilded quest]

twitter is going great /s

[neon mesa]

Let's look at FTX as a recent example

[gilded quest]

i do wonder if twitters new ceo will be able to bring the advertisers back

[stray apex]

A lot of his wider ideas, like starlink, EVs, space travel and MMI are very forward looking and as such attract investment and attention
But Elon is very evidently not good at actually running these companies

[neon mesa]

Good enough to keep them afloat.
We've seen what bad CEOs can do
Like look at AMD, one ceo switch and now they are saved from bankruptcy

[dreamy rose]

again, Bless Lisa Su

[neon mesa]

And intel also, their current ceo is much better than the previous one

[dreamy rose]

love or hate AMD you cant Deny Su is a damn good CEO.

[neon mesa]

Nvidia... Still good ol jensen, well he is doing well FOR the company. You can say he's bad for consumers but his company is doing well so he is a good ceo, with a certain point of view

[visual hatch]

A lot of people invest in TSLA because of elon.

[neon mesa]

Like elon, tsla is unstable

[round trellis]

is it true that 7950xtx is getting released?

[dreamy rose]

i'd be surprised if launches and product choices don't go through him

[round trellis]

and I'm surprised nvidia put a 16gb vram card for only 499 (4060ti)

[gilded quest]

jensen is great for the leather jacket industry

[dreamy rose]

any mentions of the 7950XT and what not was likely just a dump of names to confuse leakers,

[round trellis]

i see

and why are 40 series cards worse than 30 series cards?

[stray apex]

Nvidia's $500 card this gen is almost just their $500 card from last gen but with more VRAM lmao

[round trellis]

less cuda cores and less frequency too

[stray apex]

Those don't matter

[round trellis]

and they also admitted that only with "dlss3" , the 4060ti beats the 3060

[stray apex]

All that matters is real world performing

[thin fjord]

believe it or not, less cuda cores and less frequency affects real world performance.

[stray apex]

No, 4060ti is significantly faster than a 3060 in raw performance

[stray apex]

Believe it or not, so does being a new architecture on a new node

[gilded quest]

yeah nvidias marketing is pretty fucking shady

[round trellis]

only like 15 % with dlss3 , nvidia admitted it themselves

[thin fjord]

i dont believe it

[dreamy rose]

they aren't attractive at this point.

[stray apex]

Do you mean the 4060?

[flint copper]

Typing "attachment.zip" in your browser will now get you Rick Rolled. Thanks Google!

[round trellis]

and still people would choose a 3050 over 6600xt (6600xt is cheaper in india)

[dreamy rose]

no shit cuz google doesnt care about security or your online safety

[thin fjord]

brand loyalty is a mental illness

[round trellis]

6600xt is like 24k inr and 3050 is 25k-30k inr

[dreamy rose]

because ppl still suck the tit of Nvidia.

[round trellis]

i love indian market because of cheap amd cards

but expensive nvidia cards

[dreamy rose]

instead of looking at good cards they look at big brand and cheapest and go for it there's zero logic behind these choices

[stray apex]

I wouldn't describe it as brand loyalty so much as the fact that AMD kind of fucked up radeon's brand perception

A lot of people still believe that AMD cards are just worse because they were kind of shit for so long

[dreamy rose]

again ignorance to actually do research.

[stray apex]

Ryzen had a huge marketing push and tons of hype to fix the CPU brand reputation

But rDNA also just hasn't really had a Ryzen moment

[forest valve]

And it never will

[dreamy rose]

OR, Brand loyalty, Nvidia brand loyalty.

[gilded quest]

Radeon group doesn't really seem to care about desktop market share

[stray apex]

I mean, as long as Sony keeps selling PlayStations they don't need to

[gilded quest]

Pretty much

[stray apex]

Intel might come to eat their lunch next gen though

[round trellis]

the gt77 laptop with i9 13th gen and 4090 has a price tag of 590k inr (about 7100usd) while the price in us is 4000 usd 💀

[gilded quest]

I love me some Intel cpus

[manic torrent]

I mean, that's how people work. You do plenty of dumb shit for normal people reasons.

[round trellis]

take a look at apple
they keep releasing macbooks with shit prices and people still buy them

[neon mesa]

Bruh what

[stray apex]

M1 air remains the best value laptop on the market

[gilded quest]

$200 for 8gb of ram is criminal

[neon mesa]

There's a reason a modern 4 core cpu beats a core 2 quad by 10 miles

Architecture and node matters more than core count

[round trellis]

for the price? nah

[manic torrent]

that's because it's not a "real" product. You price the base model artificially low to bring people in to buy the midrange they actually want/need.

[gilded quest]

I was cheap. I bought the base

[stray apex]

For the price, absolutely

[dreamy rose]

tell that to people who think Higher number = better and that not every core in an intel CPU is equal.

[gilded quest]

M1 Air 8c CPU 7c GPU 8/256

[stray apex]

You can get an M1 air for like $800

[round trellis]

its like 1200 in india

[manic torrent]

you mean... normal consumers?

[round trellis]

800? link?

[stray apex]

Yeah, that's because of Indian tariffs

[gilded quest]

Costco?

[stray apex]

I think I've seen it for 800 there

850 for refurb from apple

[thin fjord]

simply preposterous.

[stray apex]

900 for education store
Probably also see 800-850 from best buy occasionally

[dreamy rose]

probably. but specifically ppl that don't listen to how the stuff works

[manic torrent]

The point is that the M1 air is objectively a GOOD laptop. You might pay a little more or a little less, but it does what most people need at a reasonable price.

and you don't have to think too much, which honestly, is worthwhile in and of itself.

[stray apex]

It's definitely the best built laptop under $1000
And it probably beats most non-macbooks period

[neon mesa]

My only use for m1 is probably a remote desktop client that basically never runs out of battery

[stray apex]

The battery life is nutty

[thin fjord]

netflix in bed machine is also a good use case

[neon mesa]

Fuck netflix

[manic torrent]

and ... browsing. Which is honestly what 90% + of people are doing

[neon mesa]

Fuck paid streaming in general
Too saturated
Pirate hat, sail the high seas

[thin fjord]

your streaming service of choice in bed is also a good use case

[dreamy rose]

hardware may be perfect but there's always a Downside. that's that its a Mac

[stray apex]

Macs are great

[neon mesa]

I use my vr headset to watch movies

I can't go back to wimpy monitors

[manic torrent]

yeah nobody cares. it is good enough.

I've daily driven macos, I've daily driven linux, I've daily driven all manner of windows. meh.

[gilded quest]

I've settled on signing up for a few streaming services for one month each year

[dreamy rose]

MacOS is just bad in general. its the downside.

[gilded quest]

macOS for laptops
Windows for desktop

[neon mesa]

MacOS is less freedom than windows
And the software compatibility of linux
Worst of both worlds

[manic torrent]

its' fine. as I said, people don't care.

[thin fjord]

only downside is the 60hz screen imo

[dreamy rose]

MacOS isnt good for anything.

[forest valve]

Mac price is ridiculous idk what he's talking about best value lmao

[gilded quest]

It's perfect for what most people do

[dreamy rose]

the screens have ghosting issues dont they?

[gilded quest]

It's great for what I need a laptop to accomplish

[stray apex]

60hz is totally fine for a general use laptop

[dreamy rose]

so is linux,

hell its even better.

[stray apex]

Linux fuckery bad

[gilded quest]

Video is ugly on Linux.

[stray apex]

I've tried Linux mint twice in the past few months
Somehow apt has been broken straight from install both times

[dreamy rose]

its still a Superior os to everything on the market.

[forest valve]

Plus a stupid Apple ARM processor no thanks

[dreamy rose]

theres a reason its used by billions.

[gilded quest]

I tried running Ubuntu recently and one day audio just broke

[forest valve]

That much for an ARM processor

[thin fjord]

ig if content consumption is your goal, but for scrolling webpages the refresh rate is a make or break for me

[stray apex]

No lmao

[forest valve]

They saw what idiots will pay for phones so they decided to do it for their laptops too to cut costs

[gilded quest]

Eh, why the fuck does it matter if it's arm or x86 or risc v? Cost is in silicon and fab time

[stray apex]

Trying to make my literally just installed os update is not a good experience

[dreamy rose]

Performance is only okay. not best on the market.

[stray apex]

I shouldn't need to go into the command line and fuck around with files to get the thing to update

[dreamy rose]

and you dont need to.

[thin fjord]

linux?

[stray apex]

I did, twice

[forest valve]

If dude can't use Ubuntu he shouldn't be using Linux lmao

My school laptop runs Linux because Windows 11 was shit

[stray apex]

Tell mint to stop shipping apt broken, then

[forest valve]

Don't use mint

[gilded quest]

Don't use mint

Use Hannah Montana Linux

[stray apex]

Pop os has been running okay so far

Don't like the desktop though

[thin fjord]

i dont get the hype around linux beyond it's good desktop performance on anything made before 2015

[dreamy rose]

absolutely. just because you didn't care to learn how to update using the App Store its not the OSes fault.

[forest valve]

Regular Ubuntu repositories work fine, I rarely have issues and I even have a bunch of ppa's added

[stray apex]

It's like people who were amd fanboys during the bulldozer era

Like
Do they genuinely not understand that the OS kind of sucks for most people

[gilded quest]

In eager to try Linux again once I have an AMD card

[dreamy rose]

KDE specifically is the best desktop experience you can ever have.

[gilded quest]

I did try overwatch in wine....ran like shut unfortunately

[thin fjord]

what about it is better than windows for a layman like me

[forest valve]

I don't use it on my desktop, that has Windows because I will never game on Linux. I'm only using it on my laptop which I use for school

[stray apex]

Literally nothing

[dreamy rose]

it stays out of you way, its packed full of nice features and if you really want themeing is Hella easy.

[forest valve]

Linux for gaming is not the way

Maybe on a steam deck but otherwise f that

[stray apex]

Pop_os has a different iso if you want Nvidia drivers lmao

[dreamy rose]

its the way to better Linux adoption.

[thin fjord]

this is what i figured for most people. I like playing games and the windows gaming experience is still pretty bad. the customization is cool assuming you can get comfy navigating the command line but i haven't found any use case (outside of servers) where it is measurably better at general tasks

[stray apex]

Also I can't get the fingerprint reader on my 2018 LG gram to work with linux

[dreamy rose]

Deck has boosted linux users by millions already.

[thin fjord]

that being said, im having some windows issues regarding a potential ram leak and/or virus and would like some help #1027757333117415424

[stray apex]

That's like saying ChromeOS or Android have boosted Linux installs

[gilded quest]

Has valve already shipped millions?

[forest valve]

They're not really intentionally using Linux however so it doesn't count

[dreamy rose]

they already shipped a million. they should have already sold 2 million by now.

[stray apex]

Sales aren't usually linear

[forest valve]

I don't know if the steam deck even supports Windows natively so they don't have a choice if it doesn't

[gilded quest]

2 mil? Gg valve

SteamOS > windows for handhelds

[dreamy rose]

the fuck you mean it doesn't count? they are USING linux they ARE alinux USERS

[gilded quest]

SteamOS is a much better console experience

[stray apex]

Clearly we need windows 8 back

[dreamy rose]

only problem the Ally has is Windows,

[forest valve]

Not conscious Linux users

[shell bear]

any opinions on the rtx4070 vs 6950xt? im looking for the best bang for me 5-600$

[gilded quest]

Windows sleep is gonna murder those

[forest valve]

It's like a Chromebook it doesn't count

[dreamy rose]

Conscious or not. they are using linux.

[stray apex]

What do you play

[stray apex]

That's like saying I'm messaging you from my pixel 6 running linux

[forest valve]

I wouldn't be surprised if they implemented their own function

[shell bear]

Apex, Escape from tarkov.... thats it

[thin fjord]

6950xt

[dreamy rose]

ChromeOS counts too its literally Gentoo.

[forest valve]

I'm messaging you from silicon since I'm using my phone

[gilded quest]

Jfc I'm so sorry about the current state of both of those games

[dreamy rose]

6950XT

[stray apex]

Doesn't really matter
I'd go with a 4070 just because it's less hot, but I mean
I doubt you'll notice the difference

[shell bear]

i have 10 fans in my pc for a reason

[thin fjord]

as someone who plays cs:go and tarkov, there's no technologies being leveraged that would warrant the markup on an nvidia gpu

[dreamy rose]

its not what you'd normally say but its still correct.

[stray apex]

By hot, I mean I literally less heat output

[shell bear]

i mean the nividia counterpart is cheaper by 50$ but the vram and using smart access memory might help

[stray apex]

If you have good ventilation it doesn't matter

But my room is poorly insulated so a 300w GPU blasting heat at me in the summer is really shit

200w is
A little better

[shell bear]

haha current power draw is about 410-430w

[stray apex]

Are you using a Vega GPU or something

[shell bear]

its the 5700xt thicc III from xfx with some power adjustments

[vital jackal]

does anyone still use crossfire

[stray apex]

No

[dreamy rose]

it still works does it not?

[barren kindle]

yoyoyo

[shell bear]

i did until 3 years ago when devs started turning support off in some games

[barren kindle]

how much vram do i need for 4k video editing

[stray apex]

Probably like 8gb

[thin fjord]

the more the merrier, i'd recommend at least 12gb and depending on your timeline settings/preview length i'd got for 24

idk what type of editing you're doing but those effects can eat up ram really quick

[barren kindle]

yea thats what i was worried about

i wanna get a 3070 but it only has 8gb

and the new 4060 ti also only has 8gb

[stray apex]

It really depends on what you're editing

[barren kindle]

althogh the 16gb version is $100 more

[stray apex]

For lighter things
Uh
I'm pretty sure a MacBook air can edit 4k lmao

[barren kindle]

gopro footage, 10bit 4k60

[neon mesa]

A 4090 PC will easily half a 5000BTU HVAC unit cooling.

That if it's on full load

Actually, 2/3rd even

[thin fjord]

how does it fair towards the end of a project

[shell bear]

4070 is the same price as the 3070 right now

[barren kindle]

is it really???

OMG BRO I LOVE YOU (no homo)

how did i not know T-T

[thin fjord]

halving the preview res would go a long way for performance in the timeline, and assuming you aren't using a fullscreen preview, you wont notice the difference in quality

[stray apex]

Idk, well enough that at least one review I've seen mentioned that they used it for some editing on the go

[shell bear]

wait same price as the 3070ti so 100$ more

[stray apex]

I'm pretty sure LTT built a budget 4k editing rig with a 2060 so

[thin fjord]

really 👀

[shell bear]

but at the same point the 6950xt is 150$ more xD

[barren kindle]

i had my 2060 replaced for a 3050 like a month ago

[stray apex]

You can probably get a used 3060 for like $250 and that'll be totally fine

[stray apex]

But y

[neon mesa]

They built a 2060 $500 PC not long ago

[barren kindle]

it broke and it as still under warranty so

[neon mesa]

Now a $500 build gets you a 6600

So it is getting better
Even though you have to make a compromise on ram, but you can easily add $10 to the budget

[thin fjord]

i mean gpu prices dropping over time is just inevitable

sometimes it'll spike back up, but if anything's certain it's that it'll come back down with enough time

[stray apex]

Doubt it tbh

[full fossil]

legit spend the extra $30-40 to get a proper 16gb kit of ram and a psu that is ok rated

[neon mesa]

It's a tier C

[dreamy rose]

as long as more Radeons are in PCs the market is healing.

[neon mesa]

And the PC is lower power

[thin fjord]

this is what i thought when i bought my used gpu for $100 under msrp until i saw the same gpu being sold for 1/3 of that price a year later

[full fossil]

the psu that they used in that build is a Tier E

[neon mesa]

Radeons had history of being THE miner card
Don't act like they're innocent

AMD also did do direct shipment to miners

[stray apex]

It looks like Nvidia's strategy is to price enthusiast and high end GPUs at ridiculous prices
And then have a good mainstream card for cheap to hold market share

[full fossil]

especially during polaris

[thin fjord]

wasn't this to do with them having more vram?

[full fossil]

well their strategy aint working because they dont really have a good mainstream card. sure, the performance is decent, but it isnt decent for the price

[thin fjord]

rx 570/80s were a steal with 8gb at the time

[dreamy rose]

nah i'm talking about the numbers growing on SHS.

[stray apex]

4060 gonna shit on everything this gen

[full fossil]

4060 8gb at $299 seems good until you realise it has 4gb less vram than the 3060 and it's barely an improvement over the 3060 ti. 60 cards have previously come close to the 80 series card of the gen before it

[stray apex]

3060 desktop is probably the single most popular GPU on steam rn

[neon mesa]

I'm going to get the 4060ti 16GB next year pretty much

[dreamy rose]

1650

[neon mesa]

The chinese market got thanos snapped, 1650 back on top

[thin fjord]

wasn't this only true for the 3060 ti vs 2080 in raytracing workloads?

[full fossil]

4060ti 16gb seems like the cheapest gpu you should actually buy from nvidia rn

[stray apex]

People bought the 3050 lmao

[dreamy rose]

3060 is 3rd place

[thin fjord]

i dont think the 2060 was anything crazy of the gtx 1080

[full fossil]

still didnt stop it from being trash ass value

[austere relic]

I find it interesting that that vid indicated that Valve was doing some interesting engineering things

[neon mesa]

3060 was nowhere a 2080

It barely beats a 2060 super

[stray apex]

That doesn't matter?
4060 is a good value, and people will buy the shit out of it

[full fossil]

that shows how much price to performance has gone down in recent times

[dreamy rose]

i mean Valve rn is trying to make an Ecosystem. more devices and people on it the better it is

[thin fjord]

other than DLSS 3.0 i dont see why most people wouldn't stick with the good ol 3060ti

[full fossil]

2060 was hitting basically 1080 performance, and the 1060 was hitting basically 980 performance. nvidia has regressed in terms of value and imo only schmucks buy their trashass products

[neon mesa]

There isn't many better option at $300
The 4060 will perform close to a 3070
AMD will have to price their 7600 at $250 to actually be competitive

[stray apex]

Because dlss3, raytracing, and most people like to buy new gpus

[full fossil]

used market should be considered the only option at that $300 and under pricepoint nowadays

[dreamy rose]

they are scared to go below 300 it seems. hope it drops below at MSRP.

[full fossil]

until both nvidia and amd can get decent price to performance again, there is no way that anything below the $500 mark should be considered for a new card

[stray apex]

Can't wait for the $285 7600

[neon mesa]

There is NO WAY 7600 gonna survive at $300 lmfao

[thin fjord]

just looked up benchmarks and the 1080 is beating out the 2060 is rasterized workloads

[full fossil]

most consumers arent actively using RT though

[manic torrent]

A850 when

[full fossil]

RT is something you're likely gonna turn on once, jawdrop at then turn it off because the fps drop aint worth it a lot of the time

[barren kindle]

frfr

[dreamy rose]

it'd survive at 300 if it was 16GB for sure.

[stray apex]

Nah, dlss is magic

[full fossil]

not by a high margin. in newer apis, the 2060 can smoke the 1080

[neon mesa]

Trade offer
Sacrifice
-Ray Tracing
-DLSS 3
-Lower Power Consumption
-CUDA

You get:
Save $15

[thin fjord]

nvidia's whole strat right now seems to be selling consumers on technologies they didn't know they wanted/needed. next it'll be av1 encoding (actually good tho) and then it's going to be path tracing or something eerily similar to what we know but just better... somehow..

[barren kindle]

you still get like half the frames tho

[full fossil]

dlss3 certainly aint magic

waow you can insert fake frames to go from 20 to 120 but you get terrible input latency

[dreamy rose]

how is RT a sacrifice when Radeon does RT?

[neon mesa]

Not as good
And it's $15 difference lmao

[full fossil]

if nvidia shills focused on things that actually mattered in the market, then the gpu market as a whole would be a lot better. nvidia only makes their modern gpus to profit over their shills, who 99% of the time dont know a lot about tech

[thin fjord]

performance is considerably worse, terrible price to performance by comparison

[barren kindle]

nvidia does rt so much better lmao

[stray apex]

3060ti still gets like 40-50 in 1080p ultra/med rt cyberpunk 2077 native

[dreamy rose]

So? doesn't mean its a Sacrifice. it does it.

[neon mesa]

It's $15

[full fossil]

i mean nvidia cards usually take a while to drop below msrp, and amd is really quick to do that most of the time. msrp doesnt mean shit anymore

[neon mesa]

You really gonna get an objectively inferior card over a McDonald's meal

[thin fjord]

a gtx 1070 can technically do ray tracing as well but you dont see anyone touting it as a feature...

[dreamy rose]

again its still a Gimmick.

[full fossil]

comparing msrp is stupid, comparing ACTUAL market price when the products come out is the best thing to do

[neon mesa]

Bionic is the type to get a car half the horse power because of a 1% discount just because it's a brand he likes

Well actually it's a shit analogy

[full fossil]

the 6800xt had a higher msrp than the 4070, but notice how the 6800xt is cheaper but outperforms it in nearly everything that matters?

[stray apex]

In what lmao

You can definitely make a case for the 6950xt over the 4070
Not the 6800xt though

[thin fjord]

gaming

[neon mesa]

Because 6800xt is an old product?

[full fossil]

anything that isnt RT/productivity, aka most consumers actual gaming experience

[neon mesa]

Who knows used items that's getting discontinued is cheaper than new stuff
Shocking discovery

[dreamy rose]

its a shit analogy because RT is a gimmick horsepower isn't.

[timid meadow]

But the 2 fps at that detail makes for a great screensaver

[full fossil]

ok, 6800xt vs 3070 ti then. 6800xt is still a better value

[neon mesa]

It's still only $15

[stray apex]

Oh wow, marginal raster differences for a card with inferior software support and higher energy cost

[full fossil]

the 4060 cards are obscenely bad value

[neon mesa]

Not big enough of a difference to get a shittier card

[stray apex]

No lmao

[manic torrent]

Yeah... Nah. A) all frames are fake. B) 20 to 120? Baderp. C) it's not terrible. Sure, it's more, but come on now.
If you're going to hate on something, be accurate

[full fossil]

nvidias performance increase has just gotten much lower all the time

[manic torrent]

At what point does a frame become fake?

[stray apex]

That's because a lot of the improvement is in raytracing

[neon mesa]

AMD fanboys call ngreedia fanboys stupid for buying overpriced cards but would happily do so to AMD

[thin fjord]

closest thing i can think of is black frame insertion but even that doesn't affect picture quality negatively

[stray apex]

Compare amd and Nvidia in games that don't use rasterized lighting
It's fucking brutal
4090 is literally 3-4x faster than a 7900xtx

[neon mesa]

Just as stupid as ngreedia fanboys

[full fossil]

i just wouldnt. if you're braindead and believe the rhetoric that nvidia fake frames + RT + dlss magic is ultra gaming and only matters compared to actual raster performance, sure, buy nvidia. but if you dont have some form of down syndrome, you would buy something of a better value

[stray apex]

That's a lotta ableism

[full fossil]

i wouldn't pay over $200 for a gpu myself personally

[neon mesa]

So anyone who need more than gaming performance have down syndrome now?

[dreamy rose]

at least AMD fans wont pay 2 grand for a shitass 4080

[stray apex]

Amd fans bought the Radeon vii lmao

[neon mesa]

4080 is 1.2k

[full fossil]

i bought a used 5700xt for $150 for a reason. if amd completely overpriced their shit nowadays, i wouldnt buy those products

[thin fjord]

this argument has devolved into sports team screaming at each other

[dreamy rose]

4090 mobile is a weaker 4080 for 2 grand.

[full fossil]

im neither an amd, intel or an nvidia fanboy

[stray apex]

...in a laptop

[neon mesa]

Oh let's compare desktop and mobile smort

[full fossil]

i just hate everything

[full fossil]

weak argument

[dreamy rose]

its objectively a shitty price gouge, that's a fact.

[full fossil]

i hate everyone

[thin fjord]

dont believe laptop naming schemes. my rtx 3070 is limited to like 35 watts and performs on par with a 3050

[barren kindle]

pov: integrated graphics

[timid meadow]

I mean, none of the numbers or stats matter at all. Its about the overall feel of everything. "Actual performance" is little more then a general guide. Your few percent peformace differences across most modern cards dont actually mean much

[dreamy rose]

yeah not Nvidia's shit. at least Radeon is straight

[full fossil]

im currently stuck on an i3 3220 system for a week, as i am cpuless on my main rig (getting an 11700f soon) and the igp is hell on this shit

[thin fjord]

only thing laptop dgpu's have in common with their desktop counterparts these days is the name and the name alone

[dreamy rose]

ah boo stuck on 3rd gen. i'm here on 2nd gen.

[full fossil]

i mean the 6600m is basically on par with a 6600 all things considered

legit has the same exact specs as a desktop 6600, only thing that could change it is the tdp limits at that point

cant say the same about the 6800m iirc

[stray apex]

Anyways
I'm really curious to see how current gen GPUs hold up as games switch to using more and more traced lighting

[full fossil]

same here

[manic torrent]

People who have down syndrome have better takes than you, and I'll thank you not to use it as a pejorative, kthx

[full fossil]

ok i will no longer use downs as a pejorative

now thank me

[manic torrent]

Thank you for doing the bare minimum as a human.

[dreamy rose]

UBM comparing the 7600S to the 7600GS? the fuck is wrong with them?

[tulip river]

targeting a protected characteristic is just an asshole thing to do

[full fossil]

wait im doing the bare minimum? wahoo

[thin fjord]

that's a mid tier gpu, often time's they more accurately reflect their desktop counterparts as opposed to the 'high end' ones

[full fossil]

laughs in 3060m

[stray apex]

Turns out 300w GPUs no work in laptop so good

[manic torrent]

But anyway... What makes a frame fake? What if you draw a frame based on .... Geometry. And textures. And maps....

[dreamy rose]

the 7600S vs 7600 seems to be a 4CU difference.

[full fossil]

those 4 less cus can result in less performance tbh

[dreamy rose]

and in a laptop its kinda okay. it already kills off a 3070 laptop chip and has like only 75 watts of draw

[thin fjord]

75 watts vs 125 watts if the laptop manufacturer decides to go all out

[manic torrent]

I mean, dlss 3 isn't magic, but it's certainly something actually new, and for a lot of people gives you a better gaming experience.

[stray apex]

DLSS is basically just free frames in games that support it

[full fossil]

i do hope that with the next gen gpus, we can see a return to good price to performance. the 40 series is the first new post-early 2020s-crypto gpu generation from nvidia

[stray apex]

Like, if you look closely it might look marginally worse than native in some scenarios

[dreamy rose]

nobody doesnt use DLSS/FSR

[full fossil]

free frames at the expense of input latency

[stray apex]

Oh no
Now I'll miss my shots 2ms later

[full fossil]

you'd want dlss3 in slower paced games, but for faster paced stuff, god knows you dont want that

[manic torrent]

How much, exactly, and how does it compare to input latency on a previous gen card ....

[dreamy rose]

tbh DLSS just shouldnt be there. FSR does the job fine and works everywhere. only Nvidia fans would be salty about it.

[manic torrent]

And when I say input latency I mean end to end.

[barren kindle]

should i get 6750xt or 3070

[full fossil]

i've tried dlss3 in cyberpunk w/ rt overdrive while i was at my friends place, trying out his 4070. i could definitely tell there was some jello-yness to the inputs, similar to what you would get from a cloud gaming service. nothing too bad though

[thin fjord]

maybe it's just me but fsr just doesn't look as good as dlss

[full fossil]

6750xt tbh

[dreamy rose]

does it matter if it works on everything?

[stray apex]

No, in side by side fsr is usually worse than dlss or native

[full fossil]

well fsr and dlss use diff technologies

fsr1 is just practically a sharpening filter
fsr2 is just fancy temporal upscaling
dlss is actually ai-based iirc, needing the specific tensor cores in order to pull it off

ofc its gonna look worse. they both achieve a very similar goal, they just do it in different ways with different results while still doing well

[thin fjord]

this is what im trying to say

[dreamy rose]

performance is the same anyway. a regular person isnt gonna give a shit whos tech is what.

[full fossil]

as an rdna1 pleb, i dont have dlss, but i gotta say fsr2 doesnt look half bad at higher res. these upscaling algorithms arent meant for stuff like 1080p, they're mostly focused on 4k and stuff like that

so they will naturally look like trash at 1080 or even 1440p

[dreamy rose]

as long as performance is better with it enabled, people dont care

[thin fjord]

at 4k you definitely wont notice anything unless you're pixel peeping i'll agree with that

[full fossil]

i own a 4k monitor myself, and i enable fsr2 quality always, when possible

even fsr1 ultra quality doesnt look bad at even 1440p, from my experience

[manic torrent]

The thing is... Dlss 4 will probably be like.... A partially rendered frame (maybe wire frame or something) combined with the previous frame and some other stuff. And hell, it might even be that every frame is "fake" in terms of using a multi stage render pipeline.

[thin fjord]

interlacing?

[dreamy rose]

so FSR is a net win for everyone. Devs dont need to add in more crap and ppl get it regardless of platform

[hard oriole]

My 30tb unRAID server

[full fossil]

yeah. these upscaling algorithms arent made for 1080p or 1440p, so using it on 1080 or 1440 and saying it looks bad is a stupid argument imo

[thin fjord]

they still work great at 1440p tbh

[stray apex]

Except a lot of people play at 1440p

[full fossil]

steam hw survey says most people are still at 1080p so thats what i'm baseing it off of

[thin fjord]

and in some cases 1440p upscaled is actually better than 1080p native when viewing on a 1080p monitor

[manic torrent]

No, multi stage, so it goes through the basic raster renderer at lower quality (faster) and then the ai cores do more work in terms of making it look good.

[dreamy rose]

SHS is most relevant to 90% of the conversations here

[full fossil]

well yeah, higher res is most of the time gonna look better when downscaled to 1080p

[stray apex]

In fact, I'd bet that 1440p is a much more common resolution for gaming than 4k

[barren kindle]

do Inno3D cards run hot?

[full fossil]

well yeah. 1440p is cheaper to get into, after all

[manic torrent]

I game at 4k native

[thin fjord]

and performs significantly better while looking substantially sharper than 1080p

[full fossil]

but fsr and dlss were made for resolutions like 4k. nvidia literally used dlss 2 in their advertising to show their 3090 being an '8k capable' card

[dreamy rose]

why does saying Inno3D feel like you are talking about 3DFX?

[full fossil]

well the performance benefits are dependant on the system tbh

[thin fjord]

performs significantly better than 4k while looking substantially sharper than 1080p*

[full fossil]

ah i see

[dreamy rose]

Inno3D sounds like a Mid/early 90s card maker.

[barren kindle]

yea but is it worth getting a 4070 from them

[full fossil]

1440p to 4k is what stuff like fsr and dlss was made for. seeing it used on consoles to upscale 540/720 up to 1080p is just stupid and a waste of effort. taa upscaling would be better for that type of stuff

[thin fjord]

quick google search shows that inno3d is a distributor of nvidia cards

[dreamy rose]

4070? not worth the time

[stray apex]

If you want a 4070, sure

[dreamy rose]

you'll get better deals elsewhere.

[barren kindle]

ok

[full fossil]

i dont think the 4070 is all too bad tbh. if you need the nvidia featureset and its power efficiency (a lot of 4070s run on 1 8 pin only) then sure, you could do a lot worse

[barren kindle]

it look so cool tho T-T

[stray apex]

I want a 4070 to undervolt

[thin fjord]

4070's run on a single 8 pin?

[stray apex]

My 3080 is too hot

[full fossil]

a lot of them do

[thin fjord]

wow

[full fossil]

msi's ventus 3x 4070 runs on a single 8 pin pcie connector

[dreamy rose]

the 7900 cards look cool. if thats your metric for buying a card then buy one of those lmao

[stray apex]

8 pin is what, 150?
+75 slot power should power a 4070 no issue

[full fossil]

i dont see myself ever buying an nvidia card again. even used. i just dont wanna give them any money, even buying used, i'm still giving them my data to sell via the telemetry and shit built into their drivers, which ends up profiting them

[dreamy rose]

buying used is still giving them a userbase which we don't want.

[full fossil]

i mean

i dont mind nvidia just having a userbase.

also who tf is 'we'? im not a shill/fan of any company.

[dreamy rose]

you might not be giving them money up front but giving them more users is way louder than an upfront payment

[dreamy rose]

everyone not an Nvidia Shill. we want real competition

[full fossil]

i just want good priced gpus

[dreamy rose]

we cant when they own 75%+ of the market

[full fossil]

i dont give a fuck about competition

i just care about good price to performance at the end of the day. i only care about stuff that benefits me

[dreamy rose]

you just effectively said you want competition. competition is faster for cheaper.

[full fossil]

faster for cheaper isnt competition, faster for cheaper is dumbfuck capitalist corporations getting their heads out of their asses

[echo ridge]

Thats competition...

[hollow pulsar]

Can’t blame capitalists when they don’t have competition.

[dreamy rose]

hey jerry. havent seen you around burgerworld lately, where you been man?