public-chat

[velvet marsh]

wouldn't be cheap, but make the main interface gen 5 the switch gen 5 and then all the ports gen 4 and you'd double the theoretical bandwidth

[stray apex]

My gaming headset is $300
My headphones retail for like $500

[dreamy rose]

mine were 100AUD. and i was able to get them down to 63 after sales and stuff. idk if you mean wireless or wired but mine are wired.

[stray apex]

$100 is usually considered the bare minimum for headphones that sound decent

[misty scarab]

mine costed like 35 but that was on black friday

they retail for like 55

[slim yacht]

its probably one of the 'decently' priced gaming headsets. you can get a condenser usb mic + kz dq6 + jcally jm04pro for a total of less than 50 dollars
this can do much better in comparison

[round trellis]

300? bro 💀

[misty scarab]

my Logitech G335 sounds just fine and I didnt spend no damn 100 usd on it

[stray apex]

Fine is subjective

[misty scarab]

they just broke

[dreamy rose]

they are decent heaphones at a good price.

[stray apex]

I suspect that we might have different definitions of fine sound

[dreamy rose]

i just listen to Cashies ipod man

[round trellis]

im never paying 300 dollars for a headset 💀

[stray apex]

It's overkill for most people, yeah

[misty scarab]

holy shit the wireless cloud 2s are 150 usd

[stray apex]

The point is that $100 is not a lot of money for a decent headset or headphones

[misty scarab]

it really is

[vapid smelt]

Dare I say you could go as low as $50

[misty scarab]

my current ones retail around 50 and sound just fine

[stray apex]

I mean, for earbuds definitely
For headphones it's a bit iffier

[misty scarab]

logitech g322 or whatever

[vapid smelt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YwXYcf/drop-massdrop-x-koss-ksc75x-headphones-ksc75x $25 😎

[slim yacht]

for the same 50dollars, you can spend on a cheap iem and it will sound night and day lol

[dreamy rose]

he got them "You disingenuous dense motherfucker" headphones

[misty scarab]

why do you keep referencing the Iowa Enviromental mesonet

[slim yacht]

in ear monitor sir

[misty scarab]

??

[slim yacht]

https://www.amazon.com/KZ-DQ6-Monitor-Headphones-Wired/dp/B091Z2WVMN

[misty scarab]

could the cloud iis be showing as mor eexpensive because Im buying them in pink?

[slim yacht]

this are like on of the very very cheap but quite well tuned in sound

[dreamy rose]

why would you buy them in pink

[stray apex]

Are those new kzs
Or the old outdated ones

[misty scarab]

they look like I would loose them within 2 days and like they would be super uncomfy

[misty scarab]

because pink headphones

[stray apex]

Low end iem market moves so fast now

[slim yacht]

quite new actually
in line with some other more expensive and more well tuned ones as opposed to their older very flat ones

[dreamy rose]

they are super comfy been wearing mine for over a year.

[stray apex]

Old kzs were known for being v shaped, not flat

[misty scarab]

i personally cant stand anything in ear for over like 1 hour

[slim yacht]

yeap yeap, correct

they do sound terrible tho in the past lol

[misty scarab]

how well do the cloud iis isolate noise

[dreamy rose]

oh you arent talking the Clouds? well the clouds are good.

[misty scarab]

i said the IEMs look uncomfy

[dreamy rose]

idk if you mean wired ore wireless i cant comment on Wireless.

[misty scarab]

wired

[dreamy rose]

they block out some noise.

[misty scarab]

unless the latency on the wireless is not terrible

[dreamy rose]

Bluetooth audio is the epitome of pure garbage.

[misty scarab]

not true

i have galaxy buds pro and they sound fine

[stray apex]

Good Bluetooth sounds fine

[misty scarab]

they just arent comfortable for long time wearing

[slim yacht]

typically if your earbuds dont fit well, youre gonna feel pain lol
theyre very comfortable if youre not one of those with weird ear shape complex

[dreamy rose]

for like the 5 headsets that support better Bluetooth for audio but its all latency and grabage

[misty scarab]

do the cloud 2s ?

[stray apex]

That's just because windows doesn't support good Bluetooth codecs

[dreamy rose]

its a non problem with wired

[stray apex]

Just stick a dongle in

[polar fern]

Why would I have seemingly random fps hitching to 0 fps. No obvious telltale hardware issues looking at task manager or hwinfo

In Minecraft

[misty scarab]

i have no other choise but to use the included one

[polar fern]

All current updates

[misty scarab]

my mobo doesnt support wifi or bluetooth

[polar fern]

PCIe card

[misty scarab]

oh god no

[polar fern]

Yes peppa

[misty scarab]

overkill

oh wait you cant get the wireless in pink nvm

[slim yacht]

i mean theres razer kraken if you want pink

[polar fern]

Um

[misty scarab]

i only see a wired version

[polar fern]

@misty scarab G305 wireless in lilac?

[misty scarab]

were talkiing about headphones not mice

[polar fern]

Oh hah

[misty scarab]

i already have a mouse, its a razer balistik v2

no I didn't pay full price for it it was on sale for only 35

[polar fern]

JBL 500bt?

[misty scarab]

never heard of them

[misty scarab]

i was thinking this even if its wiered

[polar fern]

You need mic?

[misty scarab]

yes

[long briar]

KZ D-Fi, Tangzu Waner Salnotes zero all better

[polar fern]

O ok

[dreamy rose]

kinda ugly color scheme.

[misty scarab]

white and pink is a good together

[polar fern]

Zone vibe 100?

[misty scarab]

hwat?

[dreamy rose]

the regular Black and grey/blue/red versions are better

[misty scarab]

no

[slim yacht]

theyre all pretty good at the same price range. altho im not one to look for noise isolation so kz d-fi was not in my radar

[misty scarab]

whats wrong with the clouds?

that you keep suggesting other sets?

[long briar]

D-Fi isn't noise isolation tho

[slim yacht]

they advertise it as one

[long briar]

D-Fi is on-iem tuning

[dreamy rose]

clouds are good,, that color is just crap.

[long briar]

because it's a metal iem, they have noise isolation

that is better than the thin plastic ones such as waner

[misty scarab]

no its not

[long briar]

Clouds are good

Clouds are based on the Takstar Pro 80, which was supposed to be a DT770 knockoff? but they ended up with something pretty good

[dreamy rose]

it is. gamers should not be given white things.

[misty scarab]

why not

[long briar]

uh'

tell me a single white piece of peripheral that stays white after a year

[dreamy rose]

White ages poorly. it shows up super dirty.

[misty scarab]

i have white g335s and they still look good

[misty scarab]

you do realize people build their entire PCs in white?

[dreamy rose]

not the same as a peripheral.

[long briar]

that's not a peripheral is it

[timid meadow]

People who like white setups are often obsessively clean. You almost have to be with white gear

[dreamy rose]

thats like saying "people buy white cars and they are fine"

[timid meadow]

Definitely ages poorly, but you can keep it clean for a long time if you try. Just requires more maintenance

[dreamy rose]

not even worth it anyway.

[misty scarab]

i mean not a shit ton of effort though either, they go on my head, or my monitor

its not like a keyboard or mouse that im putting my hands on

[latent cove]

I managed to get chinese cod and i had to use identity theft

[long briar]

White is just the cheapest color tho

with PCs white is rarely the cheapest color

[dreamy rose]

they wouldnt paint it at all if they wanted cheap

probably less heavy too.

[long briar]

No the paint is a protective layer to prevent rust

[dreamy rose]

would still be cheaper without it

[long briar]

yes, and it'd get recalled instantly for rust

It's economy of scale, the most popular color is white, so white is cheapest, and because white is cheapest, more people buy it, which continues to drive the low cost of white

[full fossil]

What do i put on my shelf

[peak sable]

On the wall x3

[dreamy rose]

another 7900XTX for display

[stray apex]

Nah
A770
Support small local business intel

[wraith jewel]

bhi

[pure ridge]

i have an 11900k

[dreamy rose]

nah too big

[worn carbon]

oh hi

i play fifa

[crude jasper]

ASUS is a small family owned business, support ASUS

[timid meadow]

Have yall seen this yet?

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/13g2skp/fully_ai_generated_wan_show_clip_from_the_first/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[dreamy rose]

this is uh. pretty bad if it talks about some shit like ai Seinfeld

[timid meadow]

Thats real dan on the comment. There are more comments with him saying its cool and OP saying it will be taken down at the first indication something may be wrong, or someones uncomfortable

[vapid smelt]

best line

[dreamy rose]

they really dropped the soap though.

[crude jasper]

ASUS is a family owned business you should be supporting them

[worn carbon]

ai sponge

[mossy crest]

i would agree that white peripherals are almost always a mistake, i remember people's wiimotes and nunchucks

[dreamy rose]

nightmare

[crude jasper]

i only dislike them for things i can hold/ skin contact

[thin fjord]

idk what's worse: constantly cleaning your white mouse because it keeps getting dirty or continuing to use the mouse with all the dirt

most people use darker peripherals because it hides all the gunk but that doesn't mean it's not there

[mossy crest]

quite

speaking of peripherals, do i get to claim that i technically modded my mouse because i had to open it to bend one of the metal tension bracket things

stock, the scroll wheel is really loose and doesnt click at all, verified across 3 of the same model; but if you bend a piece inside it then it gets some pressure and actually rubs against the bumps for each notch that you scroll

logitech m590, other than that one point, great productivity and casual game mouse for a low price when i got it, but logi's prices makeno sense

the same product can halve or double in price based on region or over time for seemingly no reason

[dreamy rose]

i got a G300S for 25 AUD on sale. been a good deal

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it's very easily defeated by copying and quoting

[chrome vector]

what is the deal with GPU food?

[full fossil]

vinland sava

[scenic geyser]

Is it just me or do I get tons of Temu invites from ppl

[tepid jasper]

says you XD

[dreamy rose]

skill issue

[full fossil]

Anyone know why something would be buzzing in my pc? I thought about the HDD and a fan possibly scraping a cable but when I lift the pc case ever so slightly the whirring noise completely goes away like it was never there. Any clues?

[tepid jasper]

never said i struggled, you don't have context for why i'm saying that

[full fossil]

And my fans don't look like they're touching anything at all

[hazy parrot]

pcs always make noise

[dreamy rose]

something structural could just be vibrating. my laptop does that all the time. its different.

[thin fjord]

loose cable

[hazy parrot]

I mean you got at least 100 watts going at any time, its gonna at least hum a bit

[tepid jasper]

i mean can you give context as to when it's buzzing?

[full fossil]

Yeah, my floor also happens to be uneven so idk

[tepid jasper]

like is it constant? is it only periodic? etc etc

[full fossil]

Whenever really, constant

[flint quiver]

Yo guys, do any of yall have 240 hz monitors?

[full fossil]

but I think it'll be louder at times

[hazy parrot]

ye I got asamsung g7

[flint quiver]

If so, how much did you cop it for?

[hazy parrot]

$500

💀

[flint quiver]

Cuz I found some random ass brand 240 hz 1080p for 180$

[tepid jasper]

umm is it only when the fan is spinning?

[flint quiver]

It's on amazon so I can return it if it doesnt work

[tepid jasper]

can you try to set the fan speed to 0?

[hazy parrot]

oh well, refresh rate is a small part of the deal

but ay, if u just tryna....play some csgo

[mossy crest]

IPS? VN?

[flint quiver]

VN

[vapid smelt]

arock and dell has some too

[flint quiver]

Here's the issue though, I live in uae (yes near dubai), I found one for 180$ (being this one) and the next cheapest one is 230$

[tepid jasper]

for a mere 34 dollars more i'd buy the IPS one

did i just type 34 i meant 24

i can maths i swear

[hazy parrot]

if I had to chose between 120hz and QLED (oled) and 240hz VN, ima go for the oled

[tepid jasper]

they're not even in the same price point

[flint quiver]

I alr have 144 hz, I only play val

[hazy parrot]

In this hypothetical scenario I did not say price was a matter.

csgo / val same shit.

go for it if you're really sure, but...theres a lot more to monitors than refresh rate.

[tepid jasper]

well, yeah of course...?

[flint quiver]

Idk if I want to get an oled bcz of burn in issues i keep hearing abt

[tepid jasper]

but in the hypothetically scenario where im offered the most expensive hyundai and the cheapest ferarri in what world would i chose the hyundai

[hazy parrot]

In this hypothetical scenario I'd become self aware of it being hypothetical as I strip naked in the car dealership and run towards the forest

yeah, bet that, contrarian

[flint quiver]

Id take the ferrari tbh lol

[tepid jasper]

of course?

[hazy parrot]

tractor puills up

[flint quiver]

Should I just save up? What are good panels instead of va then?

[tepid jasper]

ips, i dont think the contrast is worth the blurriness when there's any sort of movement on the screen

[silent skiff]

Anthony did a video fairly recently about this stripped down windows thing...anyone know what it was? (I can't find the video)

[hazy parrot]

god, just any monitor that gives enough of a damn to not have light bleed.

[tepid jasper]

atlas or whatever it's called?

[dreamy rose]

the one where you realize insurance is hell on a Ferrari

[silent skiff]

maybe.. it turns up a video.. I'll see if it's what i was thinking

[tepid jasper]

never said u have to keep it

[dreamy rose]

AtlasOS. run at your own risk. and it was Linus and anthony

[silent skiff]

yep. linus is in the thumbnail..

[wispy marsh]

Atlas! Rise!

[flint quiver]

#screenshots to see amazon page

[hazy parrot]

custom isos are fine if you know what you're doing, if you have to ask you dont know what you're doing.

[silent skiff]

why "at own risk"? (I have this eMachine given to free by a neighbor...want to see if I can set it up just to run a browser to donate to some foster programs in town.

[dreamy rose]

this isnt a custom ISO

[hazy parrot]

Uh, its an...installer right?

[wispy marsh]

My windows installs are base ISOs + MSMG toolkit

And then the windows update undoes all my work

[dreamy rose]

if its old it wont have protections against viruses like Spectre and meltdown unless you install it again.

[wispy marsh]

[dreamy rose]

like pre 7th gen intel

[wispy marsh]

I see that you have a hard time differentiating "viruses" and "vulnerabilities"

[cursive helm]

just snagged a psvr 2 today. i luv the artwork done on the box for the Horizon bundle...

[wispy marsh]

Pics

[dreamy rose]

only good for PCVR.

[cursive helm]

i now own meta quest 2 and psvr 2. now i can vr console or pc

[silent skiff]

you mean an atlas install?

[dreamy rose]

yes.

[cursive helm]

atlas, hilarious

i thought that game died

[dreamy rose]

soon you wont need the quest nor the PS5 since PSVR2 will have a driver sometime soon.

[wispy marsh]

I wanna see the horizon artwork

[dreamy rose]

what game? this is the debloted windows we are talking about

[cursive helm]

main reason i bought ps vr 2 was for exclusive games. same reason i bought meta quest 2 vs other vr'.s (yes, i know on pc u can use diff programs to run quest games)

[silent skiff]

honestly, if i can get it working with somehting, it becomes not my problem. I want to do atlas since it's win 10, which i think will be better than a linux like mint. (it's win7 originaly...but going that rout has it's own problems obvs)

[hazy parrot]

im not paranoid over popular isos. just know how to look up remote connections thru an intermediary virtual router. Application firewall within it is good too. Get Simplewall.

[cursive helm]

not after spending 1k for vr sets. like meta quest pro

[wispy marsh]

IIRC the atlas playbook does disable spectre and meltdown mitigations as part of it's software enhancement

[hazy parrot]

dont you have to disabled tampering in defender

[dreamy rose]

what makes you think Windows is better than linux for slow computers?

[hazy parrot]

even with admin

[cursive helm]

i looked up ytb and said to get Pavlor and saints sinners chapter 2 for vr/ snagge them on psvr 2.

[silent skiff]

i think a stripped down windows is better for unknown but likely non tech users than linux

[cursive helm]

i'm very pleased ps vr 2 went OLED screens. luv it

[dreamy rose]

granny can surf the web on linux. its not hard to use.

[wispy marsh]

There's a tool called InSpectee by Gibson that allows you to easily turn the Spectre and Meltdown mitigations back on

[cursive helm]

even if they not best resolution out there; for 550 and u get oled stuff --- luv it

[indigo plume]

is 7900xt good enough for 4k gaming

[cursive helm]

i run a low end 34inch alienware oled ultrawide. i luv the oled quality of color sat-U-ration

[dreamy rose]

will a 3050 handle 480P?

[hazy parrot]

all I care about is that...secure boot works.

I dont care what happens to my systems. I got 5 OS's on USB stick and im not afraid to start nuking drives at the smell of some fishy-ness

[cursive helm]

i was surpised the hardware specs of 4080 vs 3090 and well the 4080 performed vs 3090. seems nvidia found a way to cram a ton of tech in that 4080 to perform so awesome.

[wispy marsh]

You ever dban those usb's?

[dreamy rose]

shame they cant make anything less than a 4080 turn decent anymore.

[cursive helm]

i am skipping 40 series & savaing up for 5090. my 3080 will get melted by the awesome powaa of the 5090

[hazy parrot]

the....USB. Im using YUMI

[slim yacht]

more like for 1440p gaming.

[hazy parrot]

huh...you got a point there dont ya.

[silent skiff]

that's fine if you can tell granny what to do...I'll be passing along to people who pass along

[dreamy rose]

screw nvidia and buy a 7900XTX

[indigo plume]

was thinking about getting a ultra wide monitor but not sure

[cursive helm]

ya / i still want ray tracing and dlss most of all. thats y i skip amd altoghther

[slim yacht]

7900xt directly competes with 4070ti. if you want 4k then theres the xtx, altho you wont be gaining much in comparison to getting a whole 4080 instead

[dreamy rose]

no. its not fine if you instruct granny. its easy to figure out on your own.

[cursive helm]

amd had awesome price points but if u get the 4090 / amd gets no where close to that monster of a card. if i wanna spend $1k for a gpu / i'll spend 1.6k and blow amd out of water with 4090

[dreamy rose]

you have no reason to choose DLSS over FSR, Just buy a Radeon.

[cursive helm]

but, i will skip 40 series. going 5090 all the way next gen / oh ya

dlss 3.0 is great

[dreamy rose]

Drivers arent the nightmare Nvidia and their fanboys want you to believe they are

[silent skiff]

weird.. Anthony is barely in this, yet I remembered it being a "Anthony shows stuff" video. I guess I'm just filtering linus from brain these days

[slim yacht]

my guy im on 6700xt
their card is just generally hot. drivers are another gamble

[cursive helm]

my 3080 is doing just fine with most games. i'll wait for 5090 to upgrade. (well, i will buy a whole new pc; current gen cpu and 5090)

[dreamy rose]

drivers are fine.

[wispy marsh]

Oh, it's like a bootloader manager

[cursive helm]

i wonder if 50 series will skip dlss 4.0

[hazy parrot]

thanks for this tip.

is it possible for a rouge bootkit to survive, an MBR to GPT and vice versa format?

[cursive helm]

that cud give amd a deacent catchup

[slim yacht]

you'd be surprised how many times amd drivers mess with my frames before releasing actual patch

[dreamy rose]

when you say iffy it means "it sometimes will break your desktop and games wont run" it just has different problems to Nvidia.

[cursive helm]

window updates can also cause living hell for games too.

[slim yacht]

they fixed amd adrenaline sure, but drivers? far fetched compared to nvidia consistency with stable drivers

[stray apex]

Those are
Worse problems

[wispy marsh]

MBR/GPT is not a format

[vapid smelt]

what model of 6700xt and what case is it in?

[hazy parrot]

no, you format the drive to convert it though

[long briar]

Drivers are fine, the issue is 3rd party support

[cursive helm]

if i were with 2080 ti / i'd prob just upgrade to best amd gpu and save some money.

[tender geyser]

6700xt is not a power hungry card

[slim yacht]

sapphire nitro+ in a tecware case
very cheap

[dreamy rose]

doesnt matter the Severity. They both have problems and people pedal Nvidia as perfect and AMD as shit.

[stray apex]

I mean, it's like with VRAM
It doesn't matter how shit and unoptimized the games are if nobody optimizes their games

[flint quiver]

IPS 240hz for 354 or VA 240hz for 190?

[cursive helm]

i think the 4080 is overpriced. but it performs very well

[long briar]

what va

[wispy marsh]

You don't need to. Starting with 1709 or 1809 of Windows 8, there is a built-in tool called MBR2GPT.

https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/mbr-vs-gpt-whats-the-difference-between-an-mbr-partition-and-a-gpt-partition-solved/

[flint quiver]

@hazy parrot

[vapid smelt]

what model of tecware case does it have a mesh front panel?

[long briar]

bro the 4090 is best value ada card, then 4070

[flint quiver]

Monitor panel

[long briar]

I meant what model

[cursive helm]

4090 is daaa best around/ amd got smoked this seires. but the money cost amd offers cannot be easliy overlooked.

[dreamy rose]

the real problem is Nvidia being plastred as the perfect one because ppl dont realize Nvidia is problematic too.

[long briar]

if it's not a g7 or g9 (190 in assuming not) then I'd avoid va

[slim yacht]

tecware edge m2
its a mesh front panel
well 'mesh' more like metal grille with holes

[cursive helm]

is intel gpu even trying to compete? whats up with them...

[wispy marsh]

MBR2GPT is extremely handy when you really need to get Secure Boot going with an existing drive

[dreamy rose]

they could have smoked the 4090 but the price and power draw was decided against.

[long briar]

nah they can't

[cursive helm]

intel is a massive billionaire company. why lowball your new lines of gpu's vs competition such as nvidia..

[long briar]

It's literally Vega all over again

[long briar]

Intel is literally 10x the size of AMD in its entirety

[dreamy rose]

absolutely could. just said no. everybody was up for the idea.

[cursive helm]

ya, intel is insanely massive though

[slim yacht]

its not power hungry, but it runs hot by default (compared to 3060ti as well)

[tender geyser]

Bro what are you saying

[long briar]

It's a developing card, they'll figure it out eventually

[cursive helm]

intel shud step up next gen gpu's and try and compete for real against nvidia

[long briar]

I think I've seen this story before... (hi Vega)

[long briar]

price for price they technically do

[dreamy rose]

they are best off putting their stuff in an iGPU and staying that way

[flint quiver]

@long briar I dmed u

[slim yacht]

something like 2080 super i had was running average 69-75, this 6700xt runs 75-79
shit is hot in a closed case
(ambient temps are 31c)

[long briar]

I don't dm

[tender geyser]

And amd still beats em there haha

[cursive helm]

well, intel has their strategies. i just disagree with them

[flint quiver]

I just send the msgs to avoid cooldown but ok I'ma send it here

[stray apex]

It's a work in progress
Making GPUs isn't easy

[dreamy rose]

because AMD is fucking insane thats why.

[flint quiver]

#screenshots

[cursive helm]

ya, its very pleasant fianlly seeing a 3rd company offering gpu's now.

[tender geyser]

Closed case? I thought your case had holes in the front

[stray apex]

Intel is still catching up to AMD really quickly though
Turns out having shitloads of money to throw at dev teams is useful

[cursive helm]

in the long run / i view intel gpu's being a great market strategy

[long briar]

where you would use igpu for gaming? Meanwhile QSV on Intel crushes literally everything else in terms of encoding speed

[slim yacht]

mesh intake you mean? yeah, but the side panel is closed

[dreamy rose]

almost like Nvidia has done that shit for years huh.

[stray apex]

So has AMD lmao

[flint quiver]

@long briar I sent it in screenshots

[tender geyser]

Yeah that’s every pc ever, you got a fucked up fan config dude

[stray apex]

ATI Radeon is not new to the GPU game

[safe ether]

is this like as in their R&D teams are really good?

[dreamy rose]

lmao if that was true then Radeon wouldnt be at 15% of the market.

[stray apex]

Intel is simply a much larger company with resources to match

[stray apex]

Radeon would be more than 15% of the market if they didn't spend years being shit

[safe ether]

rightio

[dreamy rose]

intel is a bigger CPU Company.

[slim yacht]

if thats the case then my 2080s with the same fan config would struggle too
3070 in the same case runs much cooler as well (msi card)

[safe ether]

thanks

[dreamy rose]

AMD does both.

[tender geyser]

What model of 6700xt is it

[stray apex]

Vega and rDNA1 were both bad
Rdna2 launched shit and only become good once they went on fire sale
Rdna3 is shit so far

[long briar]

Intel networking...

[slim yacht]

saphhire nitro+

[stray apex]

Radeon doesn't have high market share because their products have largely been mediocre recently

[tender geyser]

Bro you definitely got something wrong LOL

That card should be cool as a cucumber

[long briar]

Intel crushes everyone for GPU market share.

[dreamy rose]

that too. but their GPU division is small and AMD has to juggle both.

[slim yacht]

maybe
im still in RMA period , or i can just copper mod its vrm

[stray apex]

How hot does it run?

[long briar]

If for dgpu though, nvidia and AMD have an 80/20 market share split rn

[dreamy rose]

every competitor AMD has aside from Intel graphics is bigger than them.

[tender geyser]

He said 75-79c

[stray apex]

Thats fine?

[slim yacht]

on average around 75-79 as mentioned
its not hot 'hot', but definitely much hotter as compared to nvidia cards i had in the past

[long briar]

that's... fine?

[stray apex]

Is it loud?

[tender geyser]

That’s not normal, it’s fine but it’s definitely way higher than it should be

[slim yacht]

its under my desk so i dont really noticed + i game on iem's
*fan set to auto btw

[stray apex]

No?
That's totally fine with a quiet fan profile

[dreamy rose]

AMD is the only one that needs to worth more than both combined to break even.

[stray apex]

If it's not going jet turbine then 75c is totally acceptable

[slim yacht]

i could just return this and get a refund since its still in shop rma period, especially with it never opened or modded

[vapid smelt]

damn the 7900xtx runs hotter then a gtx 1050 amd is so shit

[stray apex]

What do you even want your GPU to run at

[long briar]

(hi Vega)

[stray apex]

75 under load is not unreasonable

You'll have to like, undervolt a 4090 or something

[long briar]

330w, 85C, can literally roast marshmallows on the exhaust

[slim yacht]

around 65-75 is my expectation especially with online reviews
hey 3070 is there i can just change

[long briar]

how does it perform? a 1080.

[dreamy rose]

3070 is shit dude

[stray apex]

So
75-80 is fine, then?

[long briar]

just turn bios switch to performance mode

[neon mesa]

85/9/6 between NV AMD and INT.

[stray apex]

You can undervolt it a bit if you want

[long briar]

it's fallen even more? damn

[stray apex]

Wasn't the 6 inaccurate

[slim yacht]

that temps is fine to me, i was just saying amd runs hot in general above
not really wanting to point out the issue with my specific cards

[neon mesa]

9 was inaccurate
6 is corrected

[stray apex]

Right but like
It's not running terribly hot?

[slim yacht]

after hearing the fan, i think its fine? 43db as measured by my phone

[stray apex]

Neither ampere nor rdna2 are particularly efficient

[long briar]

if you look at igpu then idk, it might be split. 70/20/10 Intel nvidia AMD

[neon mesa]

However if you include non dGPU AMD is not far from Nvidia at 14-15% each
Though intel stomps at 70%

[dreamy rose]

nvidia doesnt have iGPU

[stray apex]

If you want a card with low power draw you'll probably have to wait for the 4060 or 4060ti

[neon mesa]

Compared to previous generation ampere is absolutely efficient.
But Ada rekts ampere in efficiency

[long briar]

switch, nvidia based Chromebooks x etc.

[dreamy rose]

none of that shit. just RDNA iGPUs

[stray apex]

Comparing with Turing is such a low bar though

[long briar]

ada is so dsmn efficient its crazy

[neon mesa]

Pascal

[dreamy rose]

only when you limit how many cores it has does it actually show.

[neon mesa]

1080ti was what? Over 260w?
While 3060 which is nearly the same perf eats 182w with 111% power limit

[long briar]

No?

efficiency isn't just power draw

[neon mesa]

Bionic's daily task is to undermine Nvidia's achievement.
I hate Ngreedia but credit where it's due

[dreamy rose]

it only gets said cause the 4070 is a 3070 with less draw.

[stray apex]

Nvidia is bad, but at least their technology is good

[neon mesa]

Something can eat a lot of watt and still be efficient

[stray apex]

4070 is a 3080 with less draw

[long briar]

efficiency is performance per watt, and ads shines here

[stray apex]

Literally nobody compares 4070 to 3070 outside of price/die size

[dreamy rose]

right yes it was the 3070 core count with comparable to 3080 perf.

[neon mesa]

The 12100F has same core count as a Core 2 Quad
Doesn't mean we call it a Core 2 Quad equivalent.

[long briar]

ofc we do

[dreamy rose]

doesnt this mean the 4070 only sucks 20 less watts than the 3070 then?

[long briar]

but performs much better?

[neon mesa]

While bringing 3080 performance

I mean being at the same wattage as a 3070 is already impressive bringing 3080 perf
But 20 less watts, even better

[dreamy rose]

if it was groundbreaking efficiency i'd expect it to use a little less power though.

[neon mesa]

Not to mention 4000 series cards are not clocked in factory to be at the height of the efficiency curve

[long briar]

can u design it? AMD couldn't

[neon mesa]

They're to maximize performance

[long briar]

it's the best efficiency gains we've had in ages

[dreamy rose]

i'd think it'd use 190-180 to call it crazy super efficient.

[stray apex]

...it does?

4070 is sub 200w 3080

[neon mesa]

If you're so unimpressed with 4000 series efficiency
Let's compare to AMD
The XTX eats almost same watt as a 4090 while only bringing 4080 performance

[dreamy rose]

its TDP is 200. no 180-190

[long briar]

efficient is perf/watt, not just watt

[dreamy rose]

never said AMD was better.

[dreamy rose]

the watts matter still.

[vapid smelt]

intel is better

[neon mesa]

So you're unimpressed at literally the most efficient GPU architecture in the planet
What do you want

[stray apex]

And the 13900ks tdp is 150w

[long briar]

yea it's the divisor here

[stray apex]

They want the exact same thing but from AMD lol

[neon mesa]

Efficiency is performance per watt
The watts total is entirely irrelevant.

The topic is efficiency

[dreamy rose]

the 13980HX is 150 watt and gets its ass handed to it by a 130 watt 7945HX at every wattage possible.

[stray apex]

And we're talking about radeon's 13980hx

[acoustic pond]

im thinking of a domain for a cleaning business, what sounds better to you all? aniani.cleaning or anianicleaning.com I understand .com is the regular choice for SEO but I really like that .cleaning tld

[neon mesa]

Like say a truck
Say it eats triple the MPG of your average car
But if it carries 6x the weight
It is 2x more efficient than the car despite it eating 3x the fuel.

[stray apex]

.cleaning is probably way cheaper too

[long briar]

But all it does is move things, so less is better anyways

[dreamy rose]

dawg. intel can take an L. live with it.

[acoustic pond]

actually the .com is at 12 dollars a year. .cleaning is 40 a year

[stray apex]

Stop riding Radeon so hard christ

[long briar]

AMD fanboy? I still can't tell

[neon mesa]

Imagine riding a billion dollar company's dick
I hate all three equally.

[acoustic pond]

bro should get a room at that point for him and Radeon

[dreamy rose]

what? just because the 7945HX is a better chip i'm a fanboy?

please. research before you claim.

[acoustic pond]

let me confirm with chatgpt

[neon mesa]

Yes credits where it's due
Zen 4 is efficient.
But that's not the point of saying the 13900ks TDP being 150w

It's meant to say that TDP means jackshit

[long briar]

just because nvidia is efficient and you deny it anyways?

[vapid smelt]

a whole 3.2%!

[long briar]

well the 7945hx isn't groundbreaking or anything, it's barely more efficient than its competitor, so because it's AMD its garbage because in the past fx and vega existed

[dreamy rose]

bro the 7945HX doesnt even reach 150. it still destroys the intel.

[vapid smelt]

INTEL dunking on amd for gaming at 75W

[dreamy rose]

130 is max wattage in the thing.

[fallen cedar]

I presume these are measured wattage

[dreamy rose]

intel gets benefiets from software. not actual performance.

[vapid smelt]

intel with the better IGPU

[neon mesa]

If it's GPUs sure
But these are CPUs

I don't see how software can affect it

[dreamy rose]

its a 7950x they didnt throw a good GPU on the desktop version.

[fallen cedar]

also ryzen is famously inefficient at low utility because of their chiplet design 😄 idk what youve been smoking but can I have some

[neon mesa]

Both still shit though

A whooping 11fps
Now you can have a slightly less shit slideshow

[dreamy rose]

ones shit on purpose. the other is intel.

[neon mesa]

Both is pointless anyway

[stray apex]

Yeah, how is AMD ever gonna make a good apu when their flagship CPU has such a shit igpu

[neon mesa]

It's a top end chip
No one gaming on the iGPU

[stray apex]

I can't believe AMD is going to go out of business

[neon mesa]

Being an AMD hater is about as cringe as being an AMD fanboy

[long briar]

youre purposefully avoiding the argument. Just accept your L and move on

[vapid smelt]

the 7945HX vs 13980HX thing is dumb they perform practically the same

[neon mesa]

AMD's alternative is still not bad

[dreamy rose]

my god. its almost like they shrunk down the high end desktop design that had no regard for integrated graphics.

[stray apex]

Being an AMD hater around and fanboys is my moral responsibility

Have I used mostly amd hardware

[neon mesa]

Two side of the same shit coin

[long briar]

oh my, a mobile chip that can't be used for mobile applications properly?

[stray apex]

Yes
Is it funny to shit on AMD around certain people
Also yes

[fallen cedar]

but being anally objective about everything is also cringe, its a difficult world these days

[dreamy rose]

its more cringe because its ignoring the fact a good product is good and going "this color makes it shit"

[vapid smelt]

what laptop people really care about battery life and Intel wins @dreamy rose

[long briar]

the 4070 is efficient, why do you disagree?

[dreamy rose]

your intel laptop isnt coming anywhjere near 10 hours.

[neon mesa]

Both equally cringe
Like fanboys coping with evidently defective generation of GPUs

And haters hating perfectly okay CPU

[dreamy rose]

haters are more cringe because they ignore the fact a product is good. simple as that.

[long briar]

AMD is a lot less conservative with power draw on battery, tho.

[neon mesa]

Both are equally cringe
You're just the other side of the same shit coin

[fallen cedar]

dell xps would like to have a word with you

[long briar]

inb4 he realizes the entire convo started off with him denying ada is efficient because it's nvidia

[neon mesa]

You're also dismissing Nvidia's objective achievement in efficiency

[dreamy rose]

then why are AMD the only ones making a gaming laptop that will last you more than 10 hours?

[vapid smelt]

imo the 1398hx is a better cpu it may be 3% slower in some things but with the E cores it can improve your laptops battery life

[fallen cedar]

fanboys are cringe because they ignore the fact a product is bad. simple as that

[long briar]

G14 doesn't last 10 hours.

not a single one of them do

[neon mesa]

Point is both is on the same shit coin

[vapid smelt]

ofc it can

[long briar]

3 fucking years and the most I've seen was 7

[neon mesa]

Being objective is the way

[dreamy rose]

who the fuck said anything about the G14? i'm talking about the A16.

[long briar]

Ah great the plastic shitbox

[neon mesa]

Buy any product you think fits you at a price point.
I have recommended both a 6600xt and a 3060 regularly

[dreamy rose]

if you wanna argue with the numbers go ahead. but i'm not the one going into a Cell in a loony bin after you loose.

[long briar]

Dunno what that means tbh

[stray apex]

God I hope radeon doesn't pull an AMD and sell the 7600 for $400

[long briar]

you literally dismissed efficiency because "it wasn't enough of an improvement, I expected 10w less"

[dreamy rose]

you can say the numbers for the TUF A16 are fake but you'll have nothing to back yourself up on it.

[neon mesa]

AMD can set whatever MSRP they want
The market will fix the prices
Then AMD will flex cheap prices as if it's from their good will

[vapid smelt]

found one

[neon mesa]

AMD prices right now are low because they literally can't charge more. Like can't

[dreamy rose]

why would they put it at 400 dollars? they clearly wouldnt be doing that.

[neon mesa]

Have you seen 6600xt original MSRP

It's perfectly possible they put the 7600xt at 450 and 7600 at 400

[dreamy rose]

they read the room wrong with the 7900XT. they wouldnt do it again.

[fallen cedar]

"loony bin" I believe describes a form of psychosis containment structure

[pallid pulsar]

secure boot state says off even though it enabled in the bios?

[neon mesa]

But again they're just MSRP

The market will dictate actual prices

[long briar]

• Personal incredulity

[dreamy rose]

7600 will be 300 at max.

[neon mesa]

In china 4080 and XTX already drops 20% in price
Yes some of you might dismiss it because "china"
But it's still proof of market price correction

[long briar]

someone screenshot this shit and ping him back when it happens

[stray apex]

If there's anything I've learned following the tech space
It's that AMD loves the taste of their own foot

The second you see them saying some stupid smug shit prepare for them to fuck up

[dreamy rose]

leaks near launch are normally accurate. and its saying 300. so its safe to assume its 300.

[vapid smelt]

people are saying $330

[manic torrent]

Dude he doesn't care. He doesn't adjust views based on facts

[long briar]

No I'm making him eat his words

[stray apex]

Prices are often literally determined right before the presentation

[long briar]

I don't give a shit that he can't be objective

[manic torrent]

He won't though. There are things wrong with him that cannot be fixed.

[dreamy rose]

what i think is based on fact.

[vapid smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-wall-gif-14680534

[long briar]

which is that Nvidia = bad because they couldn't innovate enough even tho they already crushed their competitor

[fallen cedar]

women, amiright

[neon mesa]

Nvidia's only problem is literally shitty prices
But their cards are objectively superior

[dreamy rose]

what the fuck is this bro.

[fallen cedar]

bait

[long briar]

that's mysoginy I'd be careful saying that nowadays

[fallen cedar]

luckily im not you 🙂

[dreamy rose]

i dont care. but someone would try fuck you up cause of that shit.

[neon mesa]

I don't appreciate it

[vapid smelt]

i7 7600 r7 7600 or rx 7600?

[stray apex]

Obviously why they hate amd

[long briar]

a8 7600 ofc

[neon mesa]

HD 7600

[long briar]

yes it's a real chip

No it's still not good

[neon mesa]

Your 7600 is a/an
R7:
i7: 😐
HD:

[dreamy rose]

we all know Bulldozer was bad quit beating the dead horse skeleton.

soon its gonna shatter and we still wanna point and laugh in future.

[long briar]

actually it was steamroller

[vapid smelt]

200watt 4 core cpu

[stray apex]

Why is gn still benchmarking that
Is that Steve's personal rig or something

[dreamy rose]

they are all the same

[long briar]

and so people don't think AMD runs hot... tjunc max was what, 54C?

[stray apex]

Can't run hot if you thermal throttle at 55c

[long briar]

Disregarding details due to self incompetence... lol

[long briar]

exactly.

[vapid smelt]

i dont remember but Steve is actually using a fx cpu in his personnel rig at home

[neon mesa]

We will beat bulldozer until it's more dead and a dead horse like how i tease intel for 14nm++++++

[long briar]

didn't he upgrade already?

[stray apex]

I mean, does Steve even have time to play video games?

[long briar]

I mean I ran an 8350 into the ground

[dreamy rose]

Bulldozer and its little evolutions don't matter anymore, Zen has been here for 7 generations.

[vapid smelt]

if he did he hasnt told us yet, in live stream a few months ago he talked about how his home pc has a fx cpu

[long briar]

7?!

[neon mesa]

Zen is technically only 4 generation

[dreamy rose]

1000 to 7000.

[long briar]

That's not generations and you know it

[vapid smelt]

where is ryzen 6000?

[neon mesa]

Conveniently forgetting AMD skips many numbers

[dreamy rose]

what about the plusses?

[long briar]

AMD fucked up from ryzen 2000

[neon mesa]

Those are plusses
Refreshes
They're identical in architecture

[vapid smelt]

i count 5

[long briar]

while Intel actually maintained a consistent generational number.

[slim yacht]

only on laptops

[dreamy rose]

in your laptop.

[long briar]

which launched at the same time as 7th gen...

[dreamy rose]

hopefully it is anywho.

[neon mesa]

Which is just Zen 3 refresh

[long briar]

Guys we've transcended time we have two generations at the same time!

[vapid smelt]

nah my steam deck is zen 2 based

[neon mesa]

Numbers means absolutely jack shit

[dreamy rose]

ok but Zen 3+ is still in laptops.

[long briar]

with AMD yes

[neon mesa]

There's a zen+ Ryzen 5 1600

[wraith sonnet]

Chad deck user

[vapid smelt]

then whats your cell phone number 😏

[long briar]

with Intel it actually makes sense mostly.

[vapid smelt]

isnt it past your bed time?

[dreamy rose]

AMDs naming scheme gets hated on too much.

[long briar]

I'm confused who thought 10850h should be an i7 but 10850k an i9. other than that it makes sense

[stray apex]

No, it's stupid

[neon mesa]

Your SSN

[wraith sonnet]

Stayed up late trying to get switch games to work on my deck

[long briar]

sooo AMD fanboy.

[dreamy rose]

isnt. but everyones entitled to their opinion no matter how bad it is.

[vapid smelt]

AMD made a fucking decoding wheel its so fucking bad

[long briar]

AMD admitted they fucked up.

[slim yacht]

well youve seen how they named mobile sku's
its that bad lol

[stray apex]

Lmao CPU name cryptography

[wraith sonnet]

Turns out that the non rcm jailbreak method is patched

[long briar]

yea it's actually worse than Dell monitors

[dreamy rose]

7945HX tells you all you need to know and it does its job.

[vapid smelt]

just emulate them ez pz

[slim yacht]

7945hx for example
you actually have to refer to its table to know what it means

[long briar]

7 = 2023

[dreamy rose]

hes trying to get the games first

[long briar]

9 = ryzen 9

[wraith sonnet]

Can't wait for the 7940e!

[long briar]

zen 4 (doesn't matter to 95% of consumers)

5 = upper model

[stray apex]

Where 7110HX

[dreamy rose]

still tells you what you are buying.

[long briar]

X because XTREMMEEEEE 55W+

[neon mesa]

Intel is french and AMD is english
Both are nonsensical language.

[wraith sonnet]

Yes and yuzu is fighting me without keys so I'm waiting for a jig so I can dump from my switch instead

[slim yacht]

the fact that you actually have to remember what each of them means to understand what it is

[stray apex]

Intel was pretty good
And then core ultra

[wraith sonnet]

7940e when

[vapid smelt]

they have a 5600 gpu/cpu same 5500cpu/gpu etc etc etc

[dreamy rose]

intel is just plain cringe.

[long briar]

At least Intel isn't trying to pull off like

[stray apex]

Imagine if the a770 was instead called the a7 13700

[neon mesa]

I7-1165G7

[wraith sonnet]

Idk I'm kinda sold on Arc and the 13400s core count is insane

[vapid smelt]

i would scream

[long briar]

i5 136410565

[wraith sonnet]

Pro tip, the steam deck can work with a thunderbolt dock

[long briar]

i5 13th Gen 6 p 4 e 10nn 5 upper class i5 65w tdp

[dreamy rose]

"Ultra" what is this 2012? they wanna come out with a product called the supermegasultrasugma 6000?

[stray apex]

But what year was it released in?

[vapid smelt]

and its only $208!

[long briar]

oh wait 13600k is 8p4e

[long briar]

fuck here we go again

[wraith sonnet]

Are you replying to the right message?

[long briar]

i5 13236810565

[long briar]

k lemme go jump a cliff rq

[vapid smelt]

i fucking wish the i5 13600k was 8P 4E

[dreamy rose]

yes. do you think that product name is cool?

[wraith sonnet]

10 cores on an i3 is kinda insane

[vapid smelt]

that would be insane value

[wraith sonnet]

The problem is that the name has to also be translated to other languages and culturally work

[dreamy rose]

but no you dont actually get an insane core count like intel hypeman wants you to think.

[fallen cedar]

do a sick gainer

[vapid smelt]

they are real cores unlike the fake ones AMD sold me with FX

[dreamy rose]

the problem is that the rebrand is fucking cringe.

[long briar]

i5
13 - 13th gen; 23 - 2023; 6 8 - 6p8e; 10 - 10nm: 5 - upper class i5; 65 - 65w tdp

[wraith sonnet]

I mean look at how magic the gathering doesn't work in Japan but when they multiply all the numbers by 1000x and call it duel masters it works

[stray apex]

Core i branding was so successful
Makes no sense to move away from it

[dreamy rose]

nothing was wrong with calling it an i5 or an i9. now they gotta stick this hypeman bullshit in the front.

[long briar]

AMD started the "more cores = better" trend

[wraith sonnet]

Oh that thing

[long briar]

they did it with graphics cards, they did it with CPUs.

who needs single card performance when you can just buy two and crossfire them!

[wraith sonnet]

[stray apex]

The 1080ti is the greatest GPU amd ever created

[dreamy rose]

3DFX started that not ATI.

[neon mesa]

Apple:

[wraith sonnet]

Remember I still am in the industry

[dreamy rose]

SLI was a 3DFX thing.

[wraith sonnet]

I'm not with Xidax anymore but I do work for another Intel partner

[long briar]

3DFX started the "we can link two high end cards"

[vapid smelt]

AMD was one of the last people to make a multi gpu graphics card

[long briar]

ATI and AMD started the "our cards aren't good enough, just buy two"

[manic torrent]

..... There was no high end at the time my dude.

[dreamy rose]

i'm reffering to the fake thing i made up not any actual chip.

[round trellis]

victus or IdeaPad @dreamy rose

[dreamy rose]

doesnt sound very cool does it.

[long briar]

Eh high end would've been not 3dfx no?

wait I meant

not high end would've been anything not 3dfx

[dreamy rose]

depends on if you like obnoxious or good laptop designs

[long briar]

fuck I give up talking

[manic torrent]

At the time SLI was invented, there was vodoo 1 and 2.

[long briar]

I swear victus isn't designed by hp

[round trellis]

should I go for perf or thermals

[wraith sonnet]

Skirting around what I know, it may be time for a refresh considering a given sku has 5-7 digits in the name depending on variants and some of them are rarely in production

[round trellis]

they are
IdeaPad is by lenovo

[vapid smelt]

one of the best portable PCs ever made

[dreamy rose]

again as i said. SLI was a 3DFX thing. then nvidia purchased them. ATI was just a competitor.

[wraith sonnet]

13700kf is a lot of ink and wasted time on the engraver

[dreamy rose]

not even a PC but ok.

[long briar]

like hp victus feels like a tongfang design and better than literally any other "normal" gaming laptop they've ever released

[neon mesa]

I would be happy if Windows ARM isn't shit and use an M2 device with Windows ARM

[round trellis]

yeah it's "one of the"

[slim yacht]

personal computer. anything that acts like a pc is a pc

[round trellis]

@dreamy rose WHAT DO YOU THINK?? thermals or perf?

[stray apex]

I mean, my envy x13 is pretty good
Presumably they do have competent engineers

[dreamy rose]

why bother with windows when linux will work

[wraith sonnet]

Tbh the ryzen 5000u tongfang laptops are pretty nice

[neon mesa]

Because i don't want linux?

[long briar]

envy isn't gaming

[dreamy rose]

thermals will stop swelling batteries.

[neon mesa]

I have gave linux 5 tries it never sticks
Fuck linux (personal opinion)

[stray apex]

Maybe the gaming people were on vacation who knows

[long briar]

idk

[dreamy rose]

your opinion is fucking trash.

[wraith sonnet]

Proper maintenance does that, not cooling

[vapid smelt]

the best pc ever made

[round trellis]

so we'll victus or IdeaPad?
i dont want go for neither asthetics or battery and shit

[long briar]

it just feels too big of an improvement over omen and pavilion gaming laptops

[wraith sonnet]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/NedOfTheNet/saved/Gfq3RB

[neon mesa]

Oh fuck people who have different preference than me!

[stray apex]

Least toxic member of the "Linux community"

[round trellis]

450w psu 💀

[dreamy rose]

eh. Heat kills batteries. its not irrelevant just less dangerous to have less heat.

[vapid smelt]

oh thank god its the ddr3 version of the gt 710

[long briar]

450 is fine

[wraith sonnet]

The joke clearly has gone over your head

[long briar]

sooo gt410?

[round trellis]

ik

[dreamy rose]

Linux is not garbage and far from it. that is a fact.

[round trellis]

also , @long briar victus or IdeaPad

[long briar]

ddr3 was Fermi right

[long briar]

same price?

[dreamy rose]

it comes with fermi yes.

[neon mesa]

Never mentioned linux is trash
I said it didn't stick for me

[long briar]

oops, you forgot the context

[neon mesa]

Really the elitism just disgust me to orbit

[wraith sonnet]

Now that you get the joke, look at it thoroughly and consider how much time was spent on making something that technically works but shouldn't ever be built like I actually did

[manic torrent]

The issue is..... Windows is also not garbage.

[dreamy rose]

my context is my shitass PC.

[vapid smelt]

A personal computer (PC) is a multi-purpose microcomputer whose size, capabilities, and price make it feasible for individual use.

[long briar]

a gt710 ddr3?

[slim yacht]

its not garbage for things its made for
for everyone else windows is much more convenient
not everyone is interested into installing things by tar xvf method

[dreamy rose]

it is.

[neon mesa]

An AMD Fanboy and a Linux Preacher
Most repulsive combination

[long briar]

They fit like a glove and a dick

[golden talon]

I’m laughing my ass off reading this

[wraith sonnet]

And there's me that just tries to cause chaos with a 3200g and an a770

[dreamy rose]

Fermi and DDR3 VRAM,

[long briar]

Soo yea the gt410

[golden talon]

I liked the A770 except for its really finnicky driver UI

[neon mesa]

GT710 has both Fermi and Kepler variant

[long briar]

does it also use Intel graphics command center?

[neon mesa]

The 2GB GT710 has the GK208b chip and is kepler 2.0

[dreamy rose]

those are basically the same thing just ones on a card. but the 540 is just another breed of pure shit.

[manic torrent]

I mean, I have been using and working professionally with linux for over 25 years. I've used Linux as an exclusive OS on my laptop for several years. I used it exclusively on my desktop for a time.

[wraith sonnet]

If that's your current spec maybe you should consider getting a 5600g and an a520 board

[neon mesa]

While the 1GB GT710 is GF119s which is fermi

[vapid smelt]

when did discord remove the classic sub

[golden talon]

lol no way

[dreamy rose]

i would like a new system. i cant.

[long briar]

like 4 months ago

[neon mesa]

The Kepler GT710 is roughly 15% faster

[golden talon]

nah i just bought it last month

[long briar]

They got rid of it for nitro basic

[golden talon]

oh

[neon mesa]

But 15% faster than shit is still shit
But if you're unfortunate enough to have a GT710, you at least get the lesser shit version if it's kepler one

[golden talon]

right i forgot about that L discord as usual

[dreamy rose]

always has been a Superior os to Windows.

[long briar]

this is why I actually do like the gt1030 if given for free

[golden talon]

no such thing as a superior OS just preferences

each OS does something the other can’t

[long briar]

unless you have big. LITTLE which only windows 11 has a scheduler that works with it

[golden talon]

big.Little works on macOS… in fact ventura is designed around big.Little

[wraith sonnet]

10 kind of works

[manic torrent]

.. based on what criteria. Do you judge a bus on its inability to access a parking garage?

[neon mesa]

Windows kinda do everything linux can, just is shittier at the job linux can do well.
While linux can do many jobs better than windows but straight up can't do some without finicky compatibility layer that works half the time

Either a swiss army knife or a surgical scalpel pack.

[dreamy rose]

there's a difference between Linux and windows that makes Windows suck harder. the fact windows is slow as shit is proof enough linux is better.

[slim yacht]

iirc bro is running on some very old hardware and thats why he thinks linux = best

[manic torrent]

Windows isn't slow as shit though?

[neon mesa]

He's an AMD Fanboy and a Linux Elitist. That alone explains enough

[golden talon]

the AMD fanboyism kinda comes with the linux elitism. not like he has a choice with nvidia, anyway

[dreamy rose]

the fact you can Run modern linux on Pentium chips still says a lot about linux.

[round trellis]

yeah

[long briar]

precisely why everyone should have their own cars to contribute to the destruction of the world

[neon mesa]

As if dick sucking a multi billion dollar company isn't enough
Let's be the tech equivalent of a religious preacher!

[wraith sonnet]

Fuck Corsair how about that

[long briar]

nah even religious preachers would have an ounce of humanity in them

[slim yacht]

yeah but that does not mean windows is slow even by a stretch and it sucks

[round trellis]

@long briar what do you think?

[long briar]

I'd go ideapad

[manic torrent]

It does. That it's fundamentally different and doesn't work in even remotely the same way, and that usage has no commercial support at all.

[dreamy rose]

Windows is a slow piece of crap thats a fact.

[long briar]

I haven't had much experience with victus to comfortably recommend it yet

[neon mesa]

Ideapad always has the most bang for buck
Performance for build quality compromise.
But even then build quality isn't that bad.

[stray apex]

Have you considered
That windows is slow
Because your hardware is older than the OS is designed for

[wraith sonnet]

Depends on hardware but in your case I can see why it would be

[long briar]

Microsoft surface mini or whatever it's called runs a Pentium?

[slim yacht]

^

[golden talon]

I had to repair two Ideapads and one of them was a keyboard replacement
Only to find out the keyboard was glued to the chassis and I had to melt it out

[dreamy rose]

support isnt he point. the fact it works and runs on everything you can try is.

[slim yacht]

older surfaces used to run on intel atom's as well
not sure where the slow is

[stray apex]

I think they mean like, from when pentium was the premium brand

[wraith sonnet]

@manic torrent did you get anything nice for the Mrs. today?

[long briar]

plastic welded keyboards aren't uncommon.

[timid meadow]

People on 5400rpm spinning rust to boot be like "windows so slow wtf"

[slim yacht]

with emmc chip too i might add

[neon mesa]

I had to buy the entire chassy with trackpad because i don't wanna use a heatgun and solder

[long briar]

sooo 2002?

[manic torrent]

"run" is a bit of a fucking misnomer here. You're not apples to apples.

[golden talon]

Yep this is what I ended up doing after i tried melting the shit with my solder lol

[manic torrent]

A plant. And... Fixed the mother in law's tv to put it on the wall mount.

[stray apex]

I can't image why else you would think running on pentium would be remotely impressive

[dreamy rose]

on perfectly good hardware Linux is still faster. because it is Technically Superior.

[long briar]

dunno abt emmc, surface 3-5 non-pro I believe used atoms

[stray apex]

Isn't there some pentium rn with better single core than a 10900k

[long briar]

because it can't do shit

[manic torrent]

"perfectly good" uh huh.

[stray apex]

Nah
Steamdeck running steamOS vs windows doesn't have significant performance differences

[golden talon]

i mean the 10900K is like 2.5 generations old

[dreamy rose]

are you getting high scrolling UBM again?

[long briar]

my ti 84 boots in half a second

[golden talon]

11th gen counting as half a gen since it’s kinda shit

[neon mesa]

I mean windows 11 ran on a fucking phone (oppo)

[long briar]

runs on like an 11mhz chip, therefore ti84 firmware best os

[manic torrent]

And it uses a z80, the same CPU that the first computer I used as a kid had.

[long briar]

my first pc was a p3

[neon mesa]

Pentium isn't just pentium 4s your ancient ass is using

[dreamy rose]

only reason it doesn't is because of proton which is forced upon us.

[long briar]

slot ii I believe?

[stray apex]

Do you think modern pentiums still use netburst

[neon mesa]

There are pentiums based on 12th gen that is faster in single core than many older chip

[dreamy rose]

ik thatt. but pentium is dead now.

[long briar]

^^I think there was a celeron as well

[long briar]

Pentium is far from dead

[golden talon]

there will always be pentiums and celerons based on modern architectures

[neon mesa]

Pentium naming is dead, intel ditching it

[golden talon]

most of their applications are prebuilts and mobile spaces

[neon mesa]

For "Intel Processors"

[long briar]

Pentium class isn't

[neon mesa]

The naming itself is dead
The next pentium won't be called a pentium

[dreamy rose]

they replaced them with these "N" CPUs

[wraith sonnet]

The Linux version of TF2 runs dramatically worse in my experience and that's not even a proton thing

Oh and cave story

[stray apex]

There's already no raptor lake pentium

[manic torrent]

P3 started slot and went socket iirc. There were slot to socket adapters.

[dreamy rose]

Pentium is dead. its N now

[golden talon]

rip pentium (1993-2023)

[neon mesa]

You just said what i said

[long briar]

yep

[wraith sonnet]

Pentium, atom and athlon belong in the garbage

[long briar]

Mine was early p3 in an OptiPlex nx100 or whatever it was called

[dreamy rose]

you said it isnt dead its just under a new name. Pentium as a product and name is dead.

[neon mesa]

Modern pentium is at least usable
Atom was a crime against humanity

[golden talon]

Pentium used to be great back in the day for budget systems

[long briar]

dell gx110*

[golden talon]

Kaby lake G4560 systems were solid for budget builds

[slim yacht]

it was aight in zenfone 2
cant say much more than taht tho

[neon mesa]

There is no "pentium" as a product
They're all just CPUs with a name

[long briar]

I said that...

[manic torrent]

The Pentium 75.0000000000001 was great! (Extremely niche ancient nerd joke)

[neon mesa]

There is no special "pentium" architecture

[dreamy rose]

and its what i said originally

[neon mesa]

It is still a "pentium" class
They're just not called pentium

[long briar]

I said that Pentium is far from dead.

[dreamy rose]

its not a Pentium class. its N class

[neon mesa]

It's like how nvidia can just make a 4080 12GB a 4070ti

[timid meadow]

Ehhh thats a sketchy argument to use. There is no Ryzen either. Just a cpu with a name 🤷

[neon mesa]

You're just being pedantic at this point

[long briar]

nono Pentium branding is done

[manic torrent]

Architectures referred to as Pentium died after Pentium 4. CPUs thereafter used Pentium as a sub brand indicating it was cheap crap.

[golden talon]

it’s the branding of a segment

what’s being referred to as “pentium” in this conversation is the segment of budget processors that occupy the space under the Core processors

[neon mesa]

Pentium is not a specific architecture or anything
They're literally on the same arch as 12100F and the rest (for 12th gen pnt)
It's just a name
Intel can call the N chip, pentium and nothing changes

[long briar]

I want em to bring back centrino tbh

[golden talon]

Oh nahhhhh

[neon mesa]

Unless the N chip is significantly different than pentium sure

[dreamy rose]

they can but they are calling them N. not pentium. Pentium is dead.

[manic torrent]

Celeron. Two celeron 300A CPUs at 450

[stray apex]

Well no
The original point of contention was someone claiming that Linux being able to run on old pentiums was a relevant metric of performance
Which is
Interesting

[neon mesa]

Which is my point
The name is dead

[dreamy rose]

have fun with a Wifi chipset for a cpu

[long briar]

nono, centrino specifically

[golden talon]

Lmao i give up

[manic torrent]

I have lots of wifi cpus

Esp32, errwhere

[long briar]

Wait was it not centrino? tf was it called???

[dreamy rose]

thats what i'm saying. the name is dead.

[golden talon]

i’ve got a few ESP8266 modules i tweaked with in arduino

[long briar]

the one with the logo that was a sideways heart and made of a pink and blue petal

[round trellis]

@long briar dude will you advice me or not? IdeaPad or victus

[timid meadow]

Yea Bionic can be a bit of a dick sometimes but agreed. Pentium class is dead. Replaced by whatever new class they wanna call the space

[manic torrent]

Centrino was basically certified Intel ultrabook

[long briar]

I told you already to go ideapad, still dunno if victus is trustworthy or not

[dreamy rose]

they are calling it N. just N and number

[neon mesa]

Mhm?
You said as a product is dead, not just the name, implying everything below i3 is discontinued or undergo significant architectural changes.
The product is alive with a new name

[round trellis]

IdeaPad yes

[neon mesa]

It's just a renamed pentium

[golden talon]

The class isn’t dead though it’s just a branding rename

[dreamy rose]

Pentium products are dead. they are replaced with N. simple as that.

[timid meadow]

No more pentium cpus will ever exist. Therefore pentium as a product is dead. Pentium and Low End arent synonymous

[long briar]

Pentium died with core line

[neon mesa]

You're making no sense at all
You're reinforcing my point while still wanting to be in disagreement

[round trellis]

i9 is dead too

[dreamy rose]

as far as i was aware. Celeron and Atom were dead too

[long briar]

Pentium became just a name

[neon mesa]

It's just a name

[golden talon]

Nah it was pretty popular during Skylake/Kaby lake ages

[long briar]

No.

[round trellis]

its just a joke , now don't rage

[golden talon]

lots of pentium prebuilts and even custom builds were made with pentium

[neon mesa]

Thank god Atom is dead though

[dreamy rose]

its just proving you aren't listening to my point

[long briar]

that's Pentium branded, it was not an architecture made for Pentium

[round trellis]

fr cpu industry is just dead

[golden talon]

this chat makes me lose insane amounts of brain cells

[long briar]

Pentium didn't really exist as pentium since p4

[neon mesa]

You literally multiple time just saying what I'm saying while wording it in a way to appear corrective

[long briar]

Then core series came and Pentium were the same CPU but handicapped

[round trellis]

unpopular opinion: higher gen i3 can beat lower gen i9

[dreamy rose]

the Pentium PRODUCT AND BRAND are dead. they are replaced by N. that is all.

[golden talon]

the 12100F can beat the 7980XE congrats

[round trellis]

it can? and yet 7980xe is expensive

[lunar anchor]

Can I just say that as much as I love my switch I just cant see myself playing TOTK on it, Emulation all the way on that one

[dreamy rose]

are you that CPUPro dickhead from UBM that huffs Copium over AMD being better than intel

[golden talon]

amd isn’t better than intel though

[round trellis]

whats ubm? 💀

[dreamy rose]

it is.

[neon mesa]

Switch has a relic as a processor

[lunar anchor]

they are outperforming intel on basically all fronts

[round trellis]

i would say equal

[stray apex]

That's literally just objectively true

[dreamy rose]

Userbenchmark

[neon mesa]

Imagine if switch has the M2 chip

[long briar]

i3 i9... both are Intel?

[round trellis]

oh yes

[timid meadow]

Its not an unpopular opinion. Cpu performance isnt opinion based, its workload based.

[stray apex]

Do you genuinely think that an alder lake pentium is going to lose to some Skylake i7 in single threadrd

[steep vector]

@dusty rune update. The Ally launched here for preorder
It's 800 fricking euros

[round trellis]

a 13th gen i3 can beat i9 1st gen , so yeah

[lunar anchor]

as much as I wish it wasnt the switch is really EOL rn

[stray apex]

New CPU more fast
Hole shit

[dreamy rose]

Seriously i cant stand that CPUPro dumbass.

[timid meadow]

Okay and? You said that was an opinion. can it? or do you feel it can? If it can, for sure, then its not an opinion

[round trellis]

nah bro , you literally told me to game on igpu

[steep vector]

And I don't even wanna imagine what would be the actual price. We all know preorders are cheaper

[golden talon]

The switch was outdated the second it came out lol

[round trellis]

idk , so it's an opinion 💀

[neon mesa]

It's just europe vat being an L

[timid meadow]

Depends on the igpu. Ryzen APUs slap

[long briar]

outdated by Wat?

[steep vector]

Probable 🤔

[lunar anchor]

yeah but back then it was alot more bearable

[dreamy rose]

instead of writing a review its "everyones paid by AMD and we are the only ones that are fair." sobbing every word.

[round trellis]

ryzen 7 7000 series igpu and that too it was more expensive than the 3050 laptop 💀

[neon mesa]

The most they can dish out is a 1650 equivalent. Which is not bad and depend on budget
But of course not good enough to tell someone to game on it rather than say a 3060.

[lunar anchor]

that might also be because back then I didnt have an overpriced tv and i played botw at what was a stable 30 fps

[dreamy rose]

quit trying to be an elitist douche. nothing is wrong with the RDNA iGPUs

[golden talon]

Are AMD cpus still self combusting in their sockets or did mobo manufacturers fix that yet?

[full fossil]

gaming laptop owner wet dreams be like:

go to class
no prof and they let you plug into the wall
play witcher 3 all day

[dreamy rose]

ASUS did not get their shit together.

[neon mesa]

Lol i just remote to my home desktop at school using my dual core laptop and play cyberpunk at RT ultra without charging

[timid meadow]

Well yea, they wont ever meet the performance of a dedicated card. But lots of people shit on apus when you can get a great gaming experience since the 3200g and above dropped.

[golden talon]

or just bring a real laptop like a macbook to class and leave the gaming laptop at the dorm to play there like me

[round trellis]

i never said it is but you literally told me to get it instead of a 3050 💀 even tho i wont be working on battery

[lunar anchor]

bro wtf...

[round trellis]

macbook backup battery?

[lunar anchor]

why a macbook

[round trellis]

does your dorm allows pcs?

[neon mesa]

I used to main the Vega 8
Honestly it's shit. Yeah you can get it for $35 but it's still shit. Good value but shit regardless

[dreamy rose]

a Macbook? are you dense? that aint a real laptop.

[round trellis]

ThinkPads

[lunar anchor]

there is literally no usecase that i can see for a macbook and gaming laptop dual setup

[lunar anchor]

any cheap ultrabook really

[round trellis]

@lunar anchor remember 1000 $pc > 1000$ gaming laptop

[full fossil]

can confirm my parents got scammed buying a 1000 laptop

[round trellis]

wrong ping sorry

[golden talon]

best battery life in the market, one of the thinnest, easy to use and take notes on and the best build quality in the market

[round trellis]

i corrected it.

[lunar anchor]

touchscreen chromebook

[timid meadow]

Don't spend 1k on a laptop. It wont last 1k worth of time

[neon mesa]

I would love the M2 macbook if they're cheaper and run windows.

[golden talon]

doesn’t run programs i need it to

[lunar anchor]

neither does the macbook

[dreamy rose]

again you have more chances running linux on it than windows.

[golden talon]

of course the macbook does lol

[neon mesa]

And i don't like linux
Stop preaching it to me good lord