public-chat

[long briar]

most decent PSUs should last 10+ years anyways

[tepid bolt]

Efficiency only really matters for mobile devices running on a battery with restricted cooling and businesses who run hundreds if not thousands of machines.

[long briar]

If you cared so much about efficiency, you wouldn't get top tier hardware.

[echo canopy]

You would as it has the best power efficiency

[long briar]

In what fucking world

[tepid bolt]

13900k is not efficient whatsoever lmao

[echo canopy]

The 5950x fucking destroyed all other zen3 CPUs in perf per watt

[stray apex]

meanwhile 7800x3d drawing 50w

[echo canopy]

Go check out gamers nexus review. I’m not fucking with you

Higher end skus are just better

[wary summit]

So what mobos can a mid tower fit again?

[stray apex]

generally atx/matx/itx

[long briar]

mid towers are usually ATX or MATX, which by extension are compatible with ITX. Larger mid towers can do EATX, though.

[wary summit]

this just looks too big for my case

or is it because its short?

[echo canopy]

Because it’s now power limited.

[long briar]

that looks like standard MATX

[wary summit]

I think i have the

[long briar]

can't find data on CPU, here's one on GPUs from last gen https://www.tomshardware.com/features/graphics-card-power-consumption-tested

most efficient GPU was rx6800 followed by 3070

3090 being 76% as efficient as the 6800

[wary summit]

And amd compared the RX6800 with the 3070

[echo canopy]

Like I said go check gamers nexus cpu reviews.

[long briar]

and 6900xt is 86% as efficient as 6800

[long briar]

3070 is 95.7% as efficient as 6800

[echo canopy]

And the highest end cards are more efficient then lower end cards. They are just not power limited.

[stray apex]

they're usually better silicon, but they're also usually pushed outside the optimal efficiency range for better performance

[long briar]

6800xt was 84.7% as efficient as the 6800

[echo canopy]

That’s why you have to power limit them

[long briar]

3060 more efficient than 3090

[vapid smelt]

why are you fucking with us

[mild jacinth]

lol i saw that power supply at best buy and got a rm850x instead

[crude jasper]

kidding this is manual voltage

[echo canopy]

6800xt has a higher power limit and is able to be pushed outside of the lower efficiency range

[long briar]

sooo what you're saying is that lower power cards (midrange) are more efficient.

[echo canopy]

I said compared to zen3

[long briar]

I kinda knew the BS already

[tepid bolt]

4080 is more efficient than the 4090

[vapid smelt]

the steam deck is the most efficient

[tepid bolt]

True, 10w performance is crazy

[long briar]

no that goes to M2

[echo canopy]

Only if you power limit it

[long briar]

but you can't really beat arm

[echo canopy]

You can beat arm, power limited mobile ryzen beats the m1/2

[long briar]

source?

[tepid bolt]

This pretty much means the ally is gonna have dogshit battery life.

[echo canopy]

Cinebench scores but ThAtS NoT CreDiBlE

[long briar]

If you're gonna make shit claims like that you better have the ammo

[tepid bolt]

They both have 40wh batteries. And the steam deck already struggles to get more than 2 hours at full load

[stray apex]

ally at full load is gonna have like an hour of battery life

[tepid bolt]

If not less

[vapid smelt]

i only hit a bit over 3 hours with gamecube emulators

[long briar]

power limited Ryzen still can't beat a fucking macbook pro's 24 hour battery life

and it's a 70wh battery

[tepid bolt]

Apple has the most efficient silicon in the market

[echo canopy]

Because they have a lower idle power draw. While doing compute tho they can beat in perf per watt

[tepid bolt]

And it's not even close

[long briar]

while watching fucking videos.

[manic torrent]

yeah this.

[long briar]

Remember LTT review of m1?

[manic torrent]

... yes, because watching videos is more or less idle, because it's all done through ASIC pathways.

[long briar]

Compute becomes heavily task dependant

Say you're using premiere pro

Apple is gonna wipe the floor with AMD

[stray apex]

yeah, but given the average tasks that someone actually performs on the device, does that matter?

[long briar]

Any app that requires emulation as well? then you have a case

[manic torrent]

it does - it can make a huge difference

[long briar]

but when we're talking about what most people do on a daily basis

[manic torrent]

it's not a simple case of "xyz better"

[echo canopy]

This is actually due to different issues that has nothing to do with the M1 or ARM

[long briar]

It is

[echo canopy]

Na

[manic torrent]

what most people do on a daily basis is basically nothing and just fucking stare off into space.

[long briar]

soooo... idle.

That's the entire point

[echo canopy]

Nor does ISA have nearly as big of a effect on power draw as you think it does. Uarch means far more.

[long briar]

what would save the most power on a day to day basis

[manic torrent]

oh yeah, but they do it at a desk plugged in 😄

[stray apex]

think of the power savings

[long briar]

CreamSoda here was arguing that high end hardware is more efficient than mid tier

[stray apex]

this is why apple is the greenest company

[echo canopy]

Because it is if you properly tune it.

[long briar]

Apple does it out of the fucking box

[echo canopy]

Yeah? And?

[tepid bolt]

A 4080 will always be more efficient than a 4090.

[long briar]

All data points to midrange silicon being more efficient than top tier

[echo canopy]

Because of stock boost and power draw behavior

[tepid bolt]

That's why Nvidia uses AD103 for their laptop 4090

Instead of AD102 like their desktop

Because 4080 silicon is more efficient

[echo canopy]

They did that for 20 series as well and it’s because they’re cheap

[long briar]

and is power draw behavior not included when the silicon is literally less efficient by design?

[echo canopy]

Higher end skus are not less power efficient by design.

[tepid bolt]

They're not the most efficient by design either

[long briar]

you said it yourself, they're made to boost higher

[tepid bolt]

They're just made to be the most performant

[echo canopy]

They are generally higher grade silicon which generally requires less power for the same compute.

[long briar]

hence why you had 3090s tripping power supplies and vega64 drawing 330w to perform the same as a 1080

[manic torrent]

everything is shit

[tepid bolt]

Yes but this isn't an architectural quality it's just silicon binning

[long briar]

^^

[echo canopy]

In the case of ryzen it’s not a different chip at all. It’s literally higher grade silicon can can just do thoes clocks

[long briar]

The ryzen chip you mentioned is the 5950x... which is far from the most efficient CPU nowadays

[echo canopy]

It’s not the most efficient anymore but it was the king during zen3s prime

The 7950x can beat the rest of zen4 if you power limit it

But most people don’t do that.

[tepid bolt]

7950x3d beats it already

[long briar]

You're begging the question already

To power limit the highest end chip just so it performs the same as a lower end chip at the same power, just get the lower end one then

[mild jacinth]

ye

[long briar]

ALSO upfront part cost goes up exponentially as you hit high end hardware

[echo canopy]

I’m not saying you have to lower its performance to the level of a 7700X. You can still massively power limit it and still get better performance while being cheaper in the long run.

[dreamy rose]

i'd only do it to compare 7950X and 7945HX

[long briar]

so the original argument that getting higher end hardware would pay itself off in efficiency is stupid anyways

[long briar]

if you power limit it to the same draw as the 7700x, it's not gonna perform better than a 7700x

[echo canopy]

Be right back gonna buy a fuck ton of old xeons because “cheap”

[long briar]

especially in most cases when people just sit around and do nothing

[long briar]

-texas sharpshooter fallacy

[echo canopy]

Yes it will?

[vapid smelt]

power is only 9 cents per kw hour

[tepid bolt]

But it won't be cheaper in the long run, the upfront cost will take over a decade to make up for itself

[long briar]

and within that time period someone gonna come around and say your pc old go buy new it's more efficient and it's a full circle

[echo canopy]

That’s 80 USD per year assuming average of 100 watts

[near granite]

Guys, is this video card good (ASUS TUF-RTX3070-O8G-V2-GAMING) or does it have some problems?

[long briar]

you're not saving 100w

[graceful burrow]

It's as good as any rtx 3070

[full fossil]

Yeah A/C easily burns 10x that a year minimum

[long briar]

7800x3d draws like what, 50w?

[vapid smelt]

asus is evil and the 3070 is a sad card

[stray apex]

for how much?

[long briar]

idr it was very very low

[long briar]

TUF is fine. 3070 is iffy but if you're just asking about the specific sku then it's fine

[near granite]

480 euro

[stray apex]

how much is a radeon 6800?

[tepid bolt]

Yeah no

[echo canopy]

Why make it worse by adding more power hungery components

[graceful burrow]

Like 85 at peak

[near granite]

i wonna buy nvidia

[long briar]

yea you're not saving 100w from that shit

[graceful burrow]

Why

[full fossil]

You could up your AC by like 1 degree F to compensate

[vapid smelt]

you want to pay more for less performance?

[tepid bolt]

Your AC isn't gonna notice 100w extra in your PC, it notices the 700w your fridge draws when the compressor is running.

[graceful burrow]

If you say "because nvidia" you should re-evaluate

[dreamy rose]

dont bother unless its way cheaper than Radeon

[echo canopy]

You could just not have ac at all either.

[full fossil]

Literally not possible in my area

People already die every summer from the heat

[echo canopy]

That’s why you repurpose a chest freezer and run on a average of less then 100 watts

[long briar]

less efficient, though.

[full fossil]

I’ll ask my apartment complex management to get right on that

[long briar]

Especially when you realize the heat has to go somewhere

[echo canopy]

It’s not, it’s actually significantly more efficient. Technology connections has a video on it.

[long briar]

and normally it's out the bottom... back into the room

[near granite]

All in all that video card is good, the video card has no problems?

[long briar]

that sku is fine.

[graceful burrow]

It's as good as any other 3070
Same bad value as all the rest

[full fossil]

I’m not arguing to waste your money on hot components you don’t need
But unless you’re running this stuff full tilt 24/7 you aren’t likely to notice

[long briar]

I will say, stan TUF 3090

that thing is actually tiny for a 3090

[stray apex]

how much is an rtx 4070?

[graceful burrow]

Too much

[stray apex]

you definitely won't be able to get one for 480, but if it's like 600 then the 4060ti might be around your budget

[dreamy rose]

Radeon and GeForce both have problems. the 3070 will have its problems, the 6800 will have its. the 3070 will only do you 1080 low in future games. the 6800 will do you more.

[long briar]

4070 at like, 350 and I'll consider it

because at the end of the day even tho the mem is stupid, it's a good enough performing card and an efficient one at that

[dreamy rose]

7600 at 300, best we'll get at this point

[stray apex]

I mean, 4060ti 16gb

I assume that'll be around 500

[vapid smelt]

what country are you in

[stray apex]

which should be roughly 500 euro after all that stuff?

[dreamy rose]

will not happen.

[long briar]

3060 had more vram than 3080

who tf knows what will happen. With the entire fiasco with the 970 3.5g it might actually happen

[dreamy rose]

thats the exception rather than the rule

[stray apex]

nah, rumors this close to launch are usually fairly accurate

[long briar]

you're eating your words chief

[rugged bridge]

bought myself a new short domain
"bzld.win" (was like $3 lol)

pretty much just redirects to my main domain "bamboozledmc.xyz

[dreamy rose]

advertising a server plz ban

[vapid smelt]

smh too cheap to buy a .com domain

[rugged bridge]

lol yea. also bzld was not availabe as .com

[runic lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbGfc-JBxlY
Asus is getting burned 🔥

[runic lagoon]

there so many root domains. Like why use com when you can use 💩 emoji

[rugged bridge]

🤔

[dreamy rose]

no 💩 cant expect this shit to blow over well for em.

[rugged bridge]

dang. i thought asus was better then that

[stray apex]

why
the hardware vendors would all sell you literal dogshit if they could

[runic lagoon]

https://media.tenor.com/TxxK-usCnQAAAAAC/star-wars-chosen-one.gif

[dreamy rose]

nvidia would be glad to sell you a 1630 for 6000 dollars.

[stray apex]

and amd would sell you a 6400 for only $5799

[runic lagoon]

they ether got thrown under the buss, or they're throwing other under the buss. XD

[vapid smelt]

i only trust https://www.shitexpress.com/ for quality shit

[plain ravine]

i'm waiting for linus respond to this asus controversy since asus is a big sponsor for LTX

[vapid smelt]

tbh they are burning themselves

[dreamy rose]

tomorrow

[runic lagoon]

I got one of their motherboards and GPUs. And I love it. 🤣 but yah

[vapid smelt]

but Linus is retiring tomorrow

[runic lagoon]

they finished building his pool?

[manic torrent]

me too

[dreamy rose]

only After Dark

[manic torrent]

in fact I'm retiring right now.

[vapid smelt]

<@&750150305383186585> @full fossil emote reaction spamming

[rugged bridge]

i approve

[rugged bridge]

already knew it was a rick roll lol
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/375449815275929622/1106395130497355816/image.png

[low rain]

btw everybody, its called soccer.

[vapid smelt]

Hi soccer im cooper

[crude jasper]

will continue buying ASUS for every component available outside of Arctic and Corsair

[robust fjord]

wao asus beancounters made a very big dumpster fire

[graceful burrow]

Imagine not giving fractal the time of day

[crude jasper]

yeah would rather give my money to aSUS and Corsair (American Pirate Ship)

[mild jacinth]

[vapid smelt]

@rugged bridge bro you need to take a shower your name turned green and moldy

[rugged bridge]

i know.
haven't been watching much ltt lately for it to be worth it lol thats all

kinda havent had time lol

[runic lagoon]

JayZ has spoken https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ-QVOKGVyM

[raven pelican]

JayzTwoBraincellz

[mild jacinth]

everyones name is green so doesn't that mean everyone needs a shower

[karmic flame]

👀

[mild jacinth]

hi

how are you?

[karmic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/frosted-flakes-tony-the-tiger-gif-21631286

[mild jacinth]

thats great

im tired just finishing this assignment then sleeping

[sleek venture]

Is the LTT minecraft server still a thing?

[sleek venture]

every tourist spot in the world needs one of those. Not that anyone would read it.

[dreamy rose]

why do people keep asking about the Depricated server?

[strong kettle]

the translation is real bad

[dreamy rose]

thats why its funny

imagine this: Weeb in reverse

[vital hill]

is there a dbrand skin without a logo cutout

for laptops

[dreamy rose]

go to shortlinus.com to find out

[strong kettle]

all weebs call chinese kanji

[vital hill]

i aint falling for that

[dreamy rose]

falling for what? this segue to our sponsor?

[vital hill]

A

[sleek venture]

because we don't know if it still exists or not?

[dreamy rose]

well. they could just read the room too. if it was still alive the server would probably be full of ppl talking about the Minecraft server and how its full of trolls and hackers.

[bright silo]

For lols i stress tested my laptop - p95 smallest ffts/furmark
2021 L5P
5800H 54W 87C
3070 125W 78C
stock paste w/ cooling pad

[storm nebula]

What happened to the Linus Minecraft server?

I want to crash it

For some reason. Idk it would be funny

[storm nebula]

I’ll host Linus server on my setup

[past egret]

correct translation should be "Be a civilized tourist"

[past egret]

people kept crashing the server.

[storm nebula]

I wanted to do that

[past egret]

thats a shame, i wonder why they closed it then.

[storm nebula]

Yay

Me happy. More people to crash my server!

[past egret]

is that why no one invites you to play anything

[barren yarrow]

When is wanshow?

[opaque jasper]

🦆

[graceful burrow]

Tomorrow

[tepid bolt]

What if ltt gets hacked again

[graceful burrow]

Then there'll be a stream for sure

[tepid bolt]

Did didn't do Wan did they?

Or was it FP only?

[full fossil]

hello

[wet helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA9M6hEJFvQ

[formal wadi]

Its thursday

[bold salmon]

ngl ps5 should come with more storage

[dreamy rose]

ps5 shouldnt come

[full fossil]

labeling it as 1TB is a scam lol

it's 800GB

[dreamy rose]

do they actually list 825 as 1TB?

[full fossil]

ps5 storage is smaller than series x

[bold salmon]

It is 825, 200 is taken up already, and another 10 for playroom

[full fossil]

both are listed as 1TB

[bold salmon]

i filled it up in a month so I went and got a 1tb ssd

[full fossil]

I bought a 2TB 980 Pro for my Ps5 on december 2021

[dreamy rose]

that console isnt coming out of this generation

[full fossil]

it was so expensive back then lol

[bold salmon]

recently got my ps5 lol

[fervent prairie]

All the marketing here says 825gb

[bold salmon]

825GB is depressing

[dreamy rose]

why white hmmm?

[full fossil]

buttt PS5 storage is faster than Series x

[bold salmon]

true

[full fossil]

7000mb/sec ssd is still impressive

[dreamy rose]

doesn't make the console better though.

[tender geyser]

White psu is the biggest waste of money ever

[bold salmon]

ps5 also has lower Tflop (10 vs 12)

[full fossil]

I have both. they're similar tbh

[tender geyser]

The console war ended already

[full fossil]

Series X is better designed imo

[bold salmon]

my friend has a series x lol

[dreamy rose]

exactly. and its more expensive

[bold salmon]

fr

[full fossil]

ps5 is cheaper

$400 for a ps5 digital.

[bold salmon]

ps5 digital is pretty good

[full fossil]

you barely use the disk drive. and theyre loud af

digital is the way to go.

[bold salmon]

i have non digital since I have some ps4 games and since my old blu ray player is kinda broke

[dreamy rose]

Series X is 750 while ps5 is 800+

[half shadow]

Disk is going to die slowly

[full fossil]

I have a non digital too. I regret buying the two physical disk that I have. it's a pain to stand up and physically put the cd in

[bold salmon]

got ps5 for 499 idk what your on

[dreamy rose]

it is Australia tho

[bold salmon]

idk mna maybe the dinosaurs like eating the white alien lookin thing rather than a refrigerator

[dreamy rose]

Series s here is 499. and the Switch OLED is 550.

[half shadow]

What

[dreamy rose]

Switch oled is a joke.

[half shadow]

Oh

[vapid smelt]

get fucked

[half shadow]

I was gona say

[bold salmon]

nah

399.99 for digital ps5 , 349.99 oled switch, whats a better deal

[half shadow]

I bought a switch I bearly use it

[full fossil]

he's from australia

He literally said it

[bold salmon]

switch is mid ngl i only use it for smash and mariokart

[full fossil]

prices have sucked there for eternity. it's not a surprise

[vapid smelt]

why pay $400 for a fake digital ps5 when you can buy a real inperson one?

[bold salmon]

what do you mean fake?

[half shadow]

Yea

[bold salmon]

Oh not digital like that

digital as in no disk drive its still a playstation dummy

[vapid smelt]

digital

[bold salmon]

this guy has to be trolling me theres no way

[half shadow]

I only take it on trip’s because it’s more fun than a phone

I should have gotten steam deck

[bold salmon]

would get deck but I dont care for steam that much since I have a mac and my gaming is on ps

[dreamy rose]

the Ally should be coming with SteamOS theres no excuse.

[vapid smelt]

if i buy a digital ps5 does it come with a digital girlfriend too?

[manic torrent]

yes

[bold salmon]

💀

i wish

[dreamy rose]

you realise you can use Steam on a Mac right?

[half shadow]

Sorry what’s the ally did I miss something

[bold salmon]

yeah but support is dogturdshi

[dreamy rose]

ASUS steam deck competitior

[bold salmon]

theres like 2 games in steam I actually play and its Simpleplanes(some wierd plane game) and kerbal space program(lag machine)

[half shadow]

Oh

[vapid smelt]

idk its nearlly twice as much as the base deck

[dreamy rose]

valve gave up on Mac because of apple.

[half shadow]

I thought the future was tablets not handheld gaming consoles lol

[bold salmon]

true

[bold salmon]

tablet aspect suck for gaming

[dreamy rose]

yes. but its a 12CU RDNA 3 handheld with 8 Core Zen 4.

[dreamy rose]

and so should everyone else.

[half shadow]

someone at steam saw the Wii-u and said wee need that

[dreamy rose]

they saw a console and thought "We need that" their console failed and near a decade later we got deck.

[bold salmon]

lol

[half shadow]

I’m just surprised they really pull somthing out of the dead like that

[bold salmon]

gaming on tablets is kinda mid their big and aspect ratio is like 4:3 it aint great

at that point just game on computer or tv

[half shadow]

Two monitors works for me lol

[bold salmon]

I use my ipad as a second monitor

[dreamy rose]

it never died in reality. they kept pushing proton and then made SteamOS THE FUCKING THIRD. VALVE. THREE. and put another SteamMachine together.

[vapid smelt]

i use 4 monitors

[bold salmon]

in your opinions would another steam machine with like an apu compete well with consoles

[half shadow]

I need the second monitor to watch adult YouTube and play games

[bold salmon]

nahhh

[dreamy rose]

ppl debate if the deck is a console when its not. its a PC. whoever spouting that nonsense just needs to shut up.

[bold salmon]

deck is a console tho

[vapid smelt]

the steam deck is a laptop

[dreamy rose]

it isnt. its a Handheld PC.

[bold salmon]

define PC

[dreamy rose]

you cant flash another os onto a PS4 can you?

[half shadow]

I’m going to not upgrade my setup until somthing big happens like a handheld as good as a pc with a rtx 2060 to

[manic torrent]

can it run dos?

[dreamy rose]

yes. it could run DOS.

[bold salmon]

(you can jailbreak it lol)

[vapid smelt]

valve says pc

[bold salmon]

whatever the diffrence doesnt matter to me that much

[dreamy rose]

not the same thing.
theres a difference between modding and running an OS on metal.

[manic torrent]

and you are the arbiter of that differnce

[half shadow]

Don’t they charge a lot for storage when buying it

[dreamy rose]

you cant delete the PS4 Firmware and run linux instead.

[vapid smelt]

yes

[half shadow]

I looked at it a while ago and did the math to diy it and it was cheaper

Really really overcharging

[bold salmon]

uhh

[dreamy rose]

they gotta make some profit off of it over basic hardware cost. they had to assemble and design the thing.

[vapid smelt]

i redid the math today the green number is money saved

[bold salmon]

im pretty sure you can run linux on ps but correct me if im wrong

[dreamy rose]

yes. thats not On the ps4 that's a sort of Virtual Machine

[bold salmon]

ok

didnt ps3 have like

a linux thing

[half shadow]

Why the case doesn’t the stock one get one

[dreamy rose]

ps2 and 3 actually let you but they fucked it up in the PS3 Era and we no longer have cool playstations.

[bold salmon]

ok so the PS3 is a PC because you could install a desktop pc os on it

[dreamy rose]

no.

[bold salmon]

got you imma go buy me a ps3 PC see yah

[vapid smelt]

i fucked up on the middle one ment to put it on the "premium case"

[half shadow]

Oh

[half shadow]

They charge a lot for somthing you can do cheap

[bold salmon]

so your argument is that the steam deck is a PC because you can flash a PC os onto it

so the ps3 is a PC

[dreamy rose]

theres more to it than that, the PS3 wont run Windows, it has its own specislised versions of Linux because of it bizarreo CPU.

the Deck was literally made as a PC.

[bold salmon]

so a pc is a computer that can run windows

[open flower]

Hello can someone pls help me I’m dying rn

[vapid smelt]

no

we can only help people named ken

[half shadow]

Me to

[full fossil]

recommendations for best 1000w psu?

im on the budget

like 200 bucks

[half shadow]

Save

[dreamy rose]

to put it simply. yes. to be more exact a computer that can run anything from the IBM PC Platform. from all the way back in 1981 to now.

[open flower]

Pls help me my moniter doesent work

It says no display I’ve been here trying figure this shit out for 4 hours now

[half shadow]

Plug it in

[dreamy rose]

PCs have been x86 for this long.

[half shadow]

X64

[vapid smelt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cmrRsY/super-flower-leadex-v-pro-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-sf-1000f14tg

[dreamy rose]

x86-64

[manic torrent]

basically, @dreamy rose has done a full retcon on the term "PC"

[open flower]

I did, I tried hdmi and it didn’t work I bought a port cable and that shit didn’t work either

[vapid smelt]

#1027757333117415424

[half shadow]

Does I work on a Xbox

[dreamy rose]

a PS3 isnt a PC.

[vapid smelt]

it is a personal comptuer

[bold salmon]

define computer

[manic torrent]

don't disagree

[vapid smelt]

https://phys.org/news/2010-12-air-playstation-3s-supercomputer.html is a super computer a PC?

[open flower]

It works on my ps5 but not on my pc

[bold salmon]

A computer is a machine that can be programmed to carry out sequences of arithmetic or logical operations (computation) automatically.

right so my ps5 is a computer it does that

it is personal I use it, thus it is a personal computer

[dreamy rose]

however PC is a Platform.

[bold salmon]

so linux is not pc

[half shadow]

We’re you plugging it in

[vapid smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-wtf-is-going-on-wtf-blink-what-did-you-say-gif-19988367

[median idol]

Ah remember the time Saddam made a supercomputer out of PS2s? It was a huge legend back home

[dreamy rose]

Linux is a PC OS.

[bold salmon]

Linux : Not personal computer
Mac : Not personal computer
Actual fricking server: yeah thats a personal computer

[bold salmon]

linux can run on ps3

ps3 is running pc os, so ps3 must be PC

[half shadow]

When roblox give you life or somthing idk I’m not so smart

[bold salmon]

either a ps3 and a steam deck are a pc or they are consoles

[full fossil]

Look, i currently have a problem that i cant fix and i have been trying for for literally days rn, while gaming my screens goes black and i hear the bugging sound and then it just restarts im told the psu is likely the problem

[half shadow]

Water

[full fossil]

would 650w be enough cuz i cant find the 1000w in my country

[dreamy rose]

Listen, its not running the same Linux an x86 Based pc is running. your steam library wont run on a PS3 because a PS3 isnt running an x86 CPU and is gonna be underpowered anyway.

[vapid smelt]

you used $ so i assumed your where in the USA

[half shadow]

Bro💀💀

[manic torrent]

I mean... it's a lot of the same code.....

[bold salmon]

so anything not x86 based that cant run steam is not a pc even if it runs linux

so a arm computer with poor steam compatability running linux is not a pc

[manic torrent]

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

[full fossil]

200 bucks are about 200 euros

[half shadow]

Just buy pc

[dreamy rose]

anything that's not x86 isn't under the PC Platform so no. your Wii or PS2/3 is not a PC.

[manic torrent]

also, computers that existed prior to/at the same time as the original 8086 that called themselves personal computers are not relevant.

[vapid smelt]

so a super computer made from ps3 is not a computer?

[bold salmon]

So a pc running a lets say Ampere cpu is not a pc

[dreamy rose]

Computer and PC are different things.

[bold salmon]

Or a windows arm dev kit, is that not a pc? IT RUNS WINDOWS

[dreamy rose]

it may be running windows. but its not going to be running DOS.

[vapid smelt]

so a Personal Computer and a Computer are different things?

[dreamy rose]

your dreamcast isnt a PC for running Windows CE

[dreamy rose]

yes.

[bold salmon]

Yes it is

[vapid smelt]

a PC is a computer

[dreamy rose]

yes. because thats what the C stands for.

[half shadow]

Fun fact in 6th grade I spelled computer wrong and I spelled it cumpoter

[bold salmon]

Pc doesnt stand for “desktop os with x86 cpu

[dreamy rose]

doesnt mean "its not a computer" if its not a PC

[bold salmon]

It stands for PERSONAL COMPUTER

[vapid smelt]

drugs are bad for your brain

[bold salmon]

either a ps3 and deck are consoles or are pcs

[half shadow]

No they are

[bold salmon]

You arent making sense lol

[half shadow]

Yes I am not

[dreamy rose]

PC is a Platform. you put PC software into a PC, not a Mac, not an Amiga, Not an Xbox or a Playstation. it runs on an IBM PC Compatable.

[bold salmon]

So theres software and hardware pc

[manic torrent]

and here we get to the full on batshit insane leap of whatever

[bold salmon]

Dude your not the PC definer counsel

Who the fuck do you think you are

[upbeat siren]

hey i have a question, can i use a external gpu on my laptop and if yes how? do i just plug it into the laptop or sum?

[half shadow]

I thought I was the one dude Mr.clean

[manic torrent]

if it has thunderbolt yes, and you need an external GPU enclosure

[dreamy rose]

PC Software defines what you call a PC in the end. its on boxes and in products. you cant throw a Floppy for Masterblazer on PC into a Macintosh classic and think it will run.

[upbeat siren]

thanks 🙏

[bold salmon]

So runs pc software = pc, so ps3, run pc software, is pc

[vapid smelt]

ps3 can run linux

[manic torrent]

" A personal computer is a general-purpose, cost-effective computer that is designed to be used by a single end-user. "

[dreamy rose]

but the PS3 does not run pc software.

[bold salmon]

Yes it does

Linux is a pc software

[dreamy rose]

is your PS3 Running microsoft word?

[manic torrent]

Literally NOBODY except for @dreamy rose has this amazingly tight definition

[bold salmon]

Yes

[vapid smelt]

https://phys.org/news/2010-12-air-playstation-3s-supercomputer.html so did they plug 1,730 ps3 in SLI to run gtaV?

[dreamy rose]

Linux isnt strictly for PCs.

[bold salmon]

So?

[dreamy rose]

linux runs on almost any hardware you can think of.

[bold salmon]

What make the ps3 not a personal computer . Do you not like it

[fervent prairie]

Since when is PC a platform. It's simply a computer that is costly feasible by a individual user.

By that definition any computer that you or I can afford is a PC if we desire to use it as such. No difference between Mac Linux and what not, that's the OS.

[bold salmon]

Is it your enemy

Not personal?

I get if ps3 has traumatized you

[dreamy rose]

because it is a console with its separate platform, with its separate and specific hardware.

[bold salmon]

So is steamos

[manic torrent]

1. IBM produces the "IBM PC" with an intel 8086 chip.
2. Companies sell things which say "IBM PC Compatible" that work with it and others
3. This is shortened to "PC Compatible in later years"
4. Therefore, "PC" is exclusively x86 compatible machines that can run dos (despite almost all of this "PC Compatible" hardware no longer working on modern hardware because all the interfaces have changed)
   (This is his contention)

[dreamy rose]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_Computer
this is the platform most of our computers are running.

[bold salmon]

Are arm pcs not pcs?

[vapid smelt]

the PlayStation 5 runs on an x86 CPU

[manic torrent]

yeah.... nah.

[dreamy rose]

they arent under the PC Platform.

[bold salmon]

So a volterra dev kit running windows on arm isnt a pc, but a steam deck is

[dreamy rose]

these are the exact same as the computers we run today. we can go back and run said software from day one.

[dreamy rose]

you clearly dont know that the steam deck is x86.

[bold salmon]

I know it is

So is playstation 5 and 4

[long briar]

arguing this would be like saying ram is storage

[manic torrent]

yeah ok bub

[dreamy rose]

so why are you bringing up that when you know it aligns with a PC?

[stray apex]

possibly the stupidest definition of PC I've ever heard of

[hollow pulsar]

It technically IS storage. Just volatile storage (vs. non-volatile storage)

[bold salmon]

Because a WINDOWS FUCKING COMPUTER isnt a pc but a CUSTOM LINUX HANDHELD is

[long briar]

the community defines terms as it sees fit, pc was originally coined by IBM yes, but it's evolved far beyond what even IBM would've seen back then. it is entirely appropriate to generalize it away from "just x86"

[manic torrent]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_personal_computers This pretty much sums it all up

[vapid smelt]

so if we install play station software on a r9 7950x/rtx 4090 "computer" that would no longer make it a PC?

[long briar]

yes that's the entire point I'm making. Technically you're right but it's pointlessly so

[manic torrent]

he's not even technically right in this case though

[dreamy rose]

this is nothing like that. arguing RAM is storage is for the unintelligent. its storage you cant keep. however PC is a Platform.

[stray apex]

no, pc just means personal computer now

[manic torrent]

no, x86 is a platform.

[bold salmon]

Or politically correct

[long briar]

pc has moved well beyond "a platform" now

[vapid smelt]

a apple watch is a PC

[bold salmon]

True

[long briar]

In that case you'd argue Unix is still an operating system

[dreamy rose]

there are multiple definitions and theres nothing stopping them meaning either, i just use PC as its technical definition.

[manic torrent]

PC was NEVER a technical definition

[stray apex]

a raspberry pi is not a PC

[long briar]

which is completely pointless

[hollow pulsar]

A few years ago, Apple ran a campaign “Mac’s are PC’s too”. This lends itself to “PC” referring to the x86_x64 architecture and ecosystem.

[stray apex]

you think IBM's marketing name was a technical specification?

[long briar]

PC stands for personal computer. There's nothing more to it

[bold salmon]

According to dummy:
Raspberry pi: not pc
Volterra dev kit with windows: not pc
Surface with arm and windows: not pc
Steam deck, linux, custom: is pc

[hollow pulsar]

How was I not correct?

[long briar]

It doesn't matter what IBM meant it to be, sure they coined the term but that means absolutely nothing

[manic torrent]

historically, it absolutely generally referred to x86 compatibility (and the busses they technically had)
but... now is not history. Now is now.

[dreamy rose]

When i say a PC, i mean an x86 computer compatible with the IBM PC platform of Computers. you use it as a general term for a computer.

[bold salmon]

🤦‍♂️

[manic torrent]

not you, BSS

[hollow pulsar]

Oh

[stray apex]

ah, so you like not speaking english

[bold salmon]

Raspberry pi is not a pc?

[long briar]

Sooo stuck in the past

[dreamy rose]

no its not. its an Arm SBC.

[long briar]

Issue is... it's kinda 2023?

[bold salmon]

Your like a pc elitist conservative: oh these god danged armigrants with their linux

[vapid smelt]

PC is just a shorter way of saying computer as a Aussie that makes short slang terms i thought you would be on board with this @dreamy rose

[stray apex]

as we know, language is used to uselessly correct other people on things they're not wrong about, not communicate with other humans using commonly understood definitions and connotations

[long briar]

reactionary actually

[dreamy rose]

doesn't mean its irrelevant. we call them cars but Automobile is still a valid name.

[manic torrent]

what a pointless comparison. Meaning of words shift CONSTANTLY

[bold salmon]

Electric cars arent cars if bionic was born a few years earlier

[hollow pulsar]

It’s fine to refer to an rPi as “computer”, but calling it a PC implies the traditional use of the term for x86_x64, which may be a misnomer. Just call every general-purpose device a “computer” and you should be fine by any camp.

[stray apex]

technically, cars are steam-driven vehicles

[long briar]

Automobiles describes engine driving wheels. Cars are a class of automobile though. If you want to argue that, Trucks are not cars.

[stray apex]

the ICE powered wagons we use today aren't really cars

[bold salmon]

Bss is being really dum right now its annoying me

[manic torrent]

nono, he's always this way

[vapid smelt]

dumb*

[long briar]

Lmfao

[bold salmon]

Your pc conservative reactionism is poo poo behavior

[long briar]

Nono you're using it wrong

[bold salmon]

Arm is the future old man

[long briar]

Right is Conservative, Far right is Reactionary

[dreamy rose]

the method a car is propelled is irrelevant. you can have a Push cart, horse drawn cart. Car came from Cart.

[stray apex]

no, car derives from the latin carrus

[long briar]

OK time for the ad homs to stop

[bold salmon]

Guys look at my new p- umm actually that runs ar- NOBODY CARES

[vapid smelt]

@dreamy rose anywho i still haven't a gotten a answer

[dreamy rose]

as i already said. there are two valid definitions. we use different ones. and we are pointlessly arguing over both definitions. so back to the actual point of the discussion. the Steam Deck is NOT a console it is a PC.

[stray apex]

steam deck is absolutely a console

[bold salmon]

Define console

[hollow pulsar]

Just call it a computer.

[dreamy rose]

since when

[bold salmon]

Also it can be both consoles are pcs lol

A console is a personal computer

[long briar]

Steam deck is a console. it's not made to compute it was made to game. how does that not make sense

[stray apex]

if you want, you can mod it pretty easily, but the device is primarily designed to run a specific OS and lock you into a specific storefront

[long briar]

I wouldn't try to run AutoCAD on a steam deck

[vapid smelt]

valve says its portable PC gaming though

[dreamy rose]

its literally got a fucking desktop you arent locked to anything on it

[bold salmon]

Im not running autodesk on a deck

[long briar]

it has a desktop so? does that make my windows 8.1 tablet a pc?

[bold salmon]

Sure

[long briar]

breh

[fervent prairie]

Wikipedia: "A video game console is an electronic device that outputs a video signal or image to display a video game that can be played with a game controller."

So now if I play games with a controller on a windows pc is it a console?

[dreamy rose]

is it x86 and running all your Windows apps?

[bold salmon]

Yeah its a windows tablet

[long briar]

Yes it runs x86 atom

Yes it's running windows apps, but it has no expansion of a "pc"

[dreamy rose]

Windows Phone is Windows but its not running x86 Apps on it.

[stray apex]

steamdeck desktop is a shit experience if you don't buy third party peripherals

[bold salmon]

Windows 8 is an x86 ibm compatible yada yada

[stray apex]

it's clearly not the intended way to use the device

[dreamy rose]

the entire lineage of windows is X86.

[bold salmon]

Like a ps3 is a console because intent is to run ps software

[fervent prairie]

What if it could through a translation layer like Rosetta for MacOS? Would that make it a PC?

[bold salmon]

Yeah so a windows tablet is a pc

[vapid smelt]

but all console are computers

[bold salmon]

And personal

[dreamy rose]

yesd because it is an x86 System nobody is saying that it wouldnt be

[bold salmon]

The diffrence is intent: you dont run autodesk maya on a ps5 to edit, you do it on pc

[bold salmon]

Windows tablet: pc

Fucking windows arm devkit: not pc

[vapid smelt]

ps5 is a computer in bionic terms

[long briar]

an x86 system isn't hard to find. My android 4.1 tablet from Dell runs an x86 processor. That doesn't make it a pc does it

[halcyon ermine]

x86 android tablet 😭😭

[bold salmon]

@dreamy rose re define PC for me

[long briar]

Intel atom was a pretty interesting time

[long briar]

it was a dell venue 8130 or something like that

[dreamy rose]

its not gonna Run DOS. i don't know what to tell you. you don't understand.

[stray apex]

if I emulate DOS on my android phone then my phone is a PC

[dreamy rose]

is it running it on bare metal. no software in between? no its not. its not a PC.

[stray apex]

it's still executing x86 instructions

[bold salmon]

Dos defines pcs? Linux cant use dos can it

[dreamy rose]

its not native.

[bold salmon]

Linux pc not pc?

[long briar]

but I can on my tablet cause it has an Intel atom?

[bold salmon]

Linux isnt a pc since its not dos

[stray apex]

who cares
there's an x86 cpu living in my arm cpu

[long briar]

so the entire Mac is a pc thing is also false

[dreamy rose]

DOS is the example because of the compatabilty modern PC systems have all the way back to 1981. i dont get how hard it is to wrap your heads around this.

[long briar]

because macos x is not dos

and never was

[dreamy rose]

out of 3/4 of the models released. yes. they did not carry X86 for the majority of their lives.

[long briar]

Macos x being FreeBSD is why Intel based macs aren't pcs

?

[bold salmon]

Linux: not pc
Windows arm devkit: not pc
Windows tablet: pc

This logic is 2 year old type shit

[stray apex]

my favorite PC is the ATM running windows embeded

[long briar]

it's just backwards

my guy it's 2023 just accept that a pc just stands for personal computer and nothing else

[dreamy rose]

i've already said. Linux is for PC. its for ARM, its for everything. Linux doesnt make your PC not a pc.

[stray apex]

no
slot machines are pcs

[long briar]

they're not personal

[stray apex]

public computer

[bold salmon]

If I buy a ATM running windows embedded x86 dos 64 bit is it a pc

[stray apex]

absolutely

[dreamy rose]

you'll find those running OS/2

[stray apex]

when someone asks me about gaming PCs I direct them to manufacturers of gambling machines

[bold salmon]

Gaming pc? Here lemme show you this samsung smart fridge

[dreamy rose]

Another dead PC OS. OS/2 Microsoft made that.

[bold salmon]

Pc os on a atm is a pc according to bss

[hollow pulsar]

Calling it a PC implies the traditional use of the term for x86_x64. Just call every general-purpose device a “computer” and you should be fine by any camp.

[stray apex]

PC

[bold salmon]

Are you a pc conservative reactionary

[dreamy rose]

nobody know what you are saying anymore.

[bold salmon]

Fuck pc tradition

[bold salmon]

Says you

[dreamy rose]

nah because you is speaking nonsense.

[hollow pulsar]

I have no idea what that means. But I will say don’t just re-invent words and definitions because the history of its use is not understood. Seek to understand first.

[bold salmon]

When I have to buy a pc for anyone, im buying an ATM

[dreamy rose]

just buy a radeon. way less trouble.

[stray apex]

radeon isn't a PC

[limber sun]

What ever happened to this livestream? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/556895966591057920/1105307411637600266/IMG_0703.png

or video, or whatever

[dreamy rose]

this guy asking the real questions

[limber sun]

I GOT RECEIPTS

[stray apex]

it was a bit of a shitshow
maybe youtube wasn't happy or something

[limber sun]

oh, wow. It actually happened? Wasn't good?

[dreamy rose]

not dumb questions like "Is the steam deck a PC" real hard hitting Philosophical questions

[stray apex]

there were some technical issues, and content wise it was pretty meh

they didn't have a pixel fold or tablet
and like
there's only so much you can show with a 7a

[dreamy rose]

thanks google very cool

[limber sun]

oh, that's unfortunate. Was it live at Google I/O or was it at their studio? Oh, the 7A?? I thought it was the fold lol

[dreamy rose]

their studio.

[stray apex]

it was at their studio

[dreamy rose]

i got a peak at it. no watch tho.

[stray apex]

just not a lot of stuff to do
most google io recaps are like 5-10 minutes so

[limber sun]

I had a chance to be at I/O and mess with the fold. Yeah, the 7A ain’t too sexy in comparison, even if it’s a very good, solid phone.

[stray apex]

yeah, like
when linus has to pull out his personal fold 3

I mean, I get that youtube sponsored it and not google but you'd figure they'd have something more interesting than the most vanilla announcement

[limber sun]

I'm interested in his take on the Pixel Fold since he's had so many issues with software on his Galaxy fold. It seems like the software is way better from what I could tell and from what some of our peers have been able to find like Michael Fisher/Mr. Mobile.

Yeah, totally. oh, you know what it probably was? A YouTube shopping sponsored stream. It's a new feature thing rolling out.

[stray apex]

yeah, they advertised that a few times

[limber sun]

yup, makes sense. It's in beta. If the shopping part wasn't working, it ruins the whole thing

[stray apex]

pretty sure it was working

[limber sun]

oh, ok

[stray apex]

the notification is annoying to dismiss on the mobile app

okay, well, it's two taps instead of one

which is 100% more taps than necessary

[tardy terrace]

We talkin' about those funny glass rectangles?

[limber sun]

UX design is always a funny thing to see, esp when designed by a ton of engineers.

[dreamy rose]

funny glass prisims

[tardy terrace]

Planning, planning, and more planning.

Oh, don't forget 300% extra QA time & public sample reviews
(But if only companies actually did all of this) /s

[dreamy rose]

hidden chihuahua in samsung phone

[vapid smelt]

chihuahua where bred for food and sacrifices

[limber sun]

Knowing so much about Google culture and their institutional design, it's a surprise anything gets done at all lol

They can't even get their own people to follow their own material design guidelines.

[dreamy rose]

they were bread for MAKING the sacrifices. thats why we call them El Diablo.

[limber sun]

Google makes so much money that they can brute force things into happening, and they manage to do it for the most part. It's crazy, but they're just winging it and it keeps working out generally because they have an unlimited money printer.

[tepid jasper]

huh

[tardy terrace]

Dude I just want a good phone from google that has a really good camera package, not-eMMC storage, and an SoC that isn't from 5 gens ago

[vapid smelt]

https://bijouandco.com/blogs/chihuahua-guide/what-are-chihuahuas-bred-for

[limpid fern]

Glass plastic and metal quadrilateral prisms

[tardy terrace]

Oh hey .DZF, haven't seen you around in a bit

[limpid fern]

F

[wary summit]

eating

[vapid smelt]

yes

[limpid fern]

Ive been here recently

Unfortunately work starts again at 3

And then i have no free time

[dreamy rose]

"ah yeah give me a phone that has no storage"

[tardy terrace]

NVMe exists on phones.

[stray apex]

but why

[full fossil]

Yall I put it in sleep because I did not finish writing my paper I need it for today at school and it is drained how can I prevent this from happening again

[tardy terrace]

Better endurance over eMMC?

[dreamy rose]

[stray apex]

who's writing hundreds of tb onto their phones

[fervent prairie]

Wonderful personalities. That's like saying a "Karen" has a wonderful personality🦆

[tardy terrace]

Someone who wants a phone to last?

Especially someone who fucks around w/ their rom

[tepid jasper]

maybe consider a battery bank?

[dreamy rose]

nobody is buying a new phone for it to last 10 years.

[tardy terrace]

Fuckin' bet, kiddo

[tepid jasper]

tbh we should be

[dreamy rose]

phones dont even last 5 anymore

[tepid jasper]

the throw phone away every couple of years is bad for the environment

[limpid fern]

Shut it down

[tardy terrace]

Take care of your battery & if the battery is dying, replace it (if possible) w/ a newer one that takes advantage of modern chemistry improvements

[full fossil]

I do not want to pay. When putting a laptop to sleep it is not supposed to get drained from the battery

[tepid jasper]

oh

[tardy terrace]

It isn't hard to put in a little effort to keep things alive.

[stray apex]

I mean, given how many iphones using emmc are still alive

[tepid jasper]

i thought you were talking about a phone

[dreamy rose]

not that. the fact they get destroyed or replaced.

[limpid fern]

Windows does that, just shut it down

[full fossil]

Bro, I got work unsaved and need it to be in a sleep position

[dreamy rose]

the companies dont care. pay up for a battery bank or shut your shit down.

[tardy terrace]

CTRL+S

[limpid fern]

Sace it?

[full fossil]

I can not always shut it down

[tepid jasper]

then save it and close it

[tardy terrace]

what is that lame-ass excuse lmao

[limpid fern]

Use google docs

Automatic saves

[full fossil]

I like Microsoft office

[limpid fern]

Then ctrl s

[full fossil]

Bro you won't understand what I am talking about

[limpid fern]

Its almost like you diddnt tell us

[stray apex]

office should also autosave?

[dreamy rose]

MS Office is worthless when literally anything else does the same job

[tepid jasper]

doesn't word and other ms office software also have autosave?

[full fossil]

U can not save right away. If I do I will be in shit

[limpid fern]

Not always

[tardy terrace]

Is it an online multiplayer game?

No?

You can save it.

[stray apex]

unless you've disabled autosave by default

which
like
why would you do that

[limpid fern]

?

[dreamy rose]

you cant play GTA 4 offline and save. fuck you rockstar.

[full fossil]

Bro it is a paper and I need to be able to undo and redo some changes so when I save that feature goes away

[mild elm]

History

[tardy terrace]

Save copies.

[tepid jasper]

isnt there ver. history

[mild elm]

Only in GD

[full fossil]

??

[tepid jasper]

if not u should really consider switching to google docs

[mild elm]

But he’s an old grandpa

[tardy terrace]

what is this logic this isn't 2001 and we aren't using office '98

[limpid fern]

Either use google docs or save your shit

Or simply plug in your laptop when u get to school

[tepid jasper]

i mean google docs is just so convenient relative to word

[full fossil]

Bro I am a teenager that loves tech

[tardy terrace]

EMBRACE BETTER THINGS

[full fossil]

I dont like google products

[limpid fern]

But uses word

[stray apex]

word also has version history

[mild elm]

Oh easy then

[limpid fern]

Your exuse is officially invalid

[dreamy rose]

ppl shouldnt use MS Office as standard anymore when stuff like Libre/OpenOffice/ Google or whatchever you want to use

[stray apex]

I would rather die than use a browser-based editor

[tepid jasper]

wait do u have to pay for word?

[dreamy rose]

anything will function as Word.

[tardy terrace]

"bro im a tech enthusiast but I refuse to learn anything else that would be a massive advantage to my schoolastic endeavours"

[full fossil]

where?

[limpid fern]

Ya

[dreamy rose]

you have to pay for MS Stuff

[stray apex]

yeah, if you don't want the shitty web version

[tepid jasper]

hell naw

[full fossil]

Same

[tardy terrace]

Gdocs baybee

[stray apex]

file>info>

[full fossil]

Ya we do

[full fossil]

Ok thanks

[stray apex]

generally, if you actually need office your organization will pay for it

[tardy terrace]

Doesn't google docs have compatibility w/ word docs

[dreamy rose]

yes

[stray apex]

I don't think a lot of consumers buy word

[limpid fern]

Another way to get your battery to last is buy a mac

[dreamy rose]

everything has MS Compatability. theres no reason not to pick up the FOSS Options.

[mild elm]

Good point

[tardy terrace]

Hm, it's almost like google had thought of that!

WEOW.

[full fossil]

Nah, all the doctors use it to keep track of there patients status like write what he was taking and his medical history

[limpid fern]

Never has a power issue with my macbook since 2019

[tepid jasper]

idk docs just makes it so easy to access from different devices, i don't know if it's better overall hut that's the one thing that keeps me with docs

[mild elm]

And no silly sleep

[dreamy rose]

dumb idea. just install linux

[stray apex]

yeah, and the doctor's organization pays for it

also why the fuck are they using word documents for patient history

[limpid fern]

Not everyone knows how

[full fossil]

Ah hell nah I can not work with macs

[stray apex]

isn't there dedicated software for that

[mild elm]

Why not

[full fossil]

It is easy

[tardy terrace]

so you're a brandist tech enthusiast

[tepid jasper]

ok i get that, i just hate using macos

[full fossil]

I don't know thats what my uncle uses

[dreamy rose]

its too easy to be scared over ppl arescared for nothing.

[full fossil]

and my brother

[stray apex]

because what you really want is your 60 year old doctor to try and run their special HIPPA software on linux

[tepid jasper]

i love ur pfp btw

[mild elm]

An M1 air is $950 and it’s super efficient and doesn’t have silly sleep that drains your battery

[fervent prairie]

If all you do is Microsoft office and browsing web most people wouldn't even be able to tell the difference if you just skin one like the other

[tardy terrace]

thank you, it's meant to radiate queer vibes

[mild elm]

Boom sorted for at least 5 years

[tepid jasper]

slay

[dreamy rose]

Mac isnt solvable by a skin.

[full fossil]

Thats not all I do

[dreamy rose]

its solvable by C4, or Linux.

[full fossil]

I code do cyber security

[full fossil]

Whats C4

[tardy terrace]

[mild elm]

Oh grow up

[dreamy rose]

uk what it is

[mild elm]

Macs are good now, especially for just office/student stuff

[full fossil]

I don't know what it is

[mild elm]

Explosive

[stray apex]

macs are great for general use

[full fossil]

It is my first time hearing about it

[stray apex]

anyways
word has version history so just use that

[limpid fern]

C is for cookie

[tepid jasper]

ok but at that point u can make the same argument for chromebooks no?

[stray apex]

chromebooks are great for students, which is why schools buy so many of them

[tepid jasper]

chromebooks are perfectly adequate for office and student stuff and is much cheaper

[tardy terrace]

chromebooks are excellent bedtime laptops

[full fossil]

I also use my laptop for coding and cyber security

[dreamy rose]

they really aren't good for anything with that pathetic wretched MacOS.

[mild elm]

MacOS is great

[tardy terrace]

Don't fucking sus me I fall asleep to youtube all the time

[full fossil]

True

[stray apex]

macos shits on linux

[tardy terrace]

[stray apex]

imagine not being able to run powerpoint natively

[vapid smelt]

not redtube?

[stray apex]

how the fuck is our society supposed to run without microsoft powerpoint

[dreamy rose]

you royally fucked that sentence up mate

[median idol]

This. The OS is fine. It's just not too keen on their products

[full fossil]

Onedrive

[tepid jasper]

idk something about the stoplight colours on the minimize and close application on macos just makes me mad

[mild elm]

Bionic have you ever used macOS?

[stray apex]

the most powerful military in the world is held together by microsoft powerpoint

[tardy terrace]

Lately it's MikeBurnFire & the new vegas playthrough

[mild elm]

Or are you just saying it because you hate Apple for some reason

[dreamy rose]

why are ppl brainwashed into thinking MacOS is fine. its literally no good.

[stray apex]

sanest linux fanboy

[mild elm]

Why isn’t it good? Explain.

[tepid jasper]

i just think macos is ugly af

[stray apex]

this is why you shouldn't do linux kids
see what it does to your brain

[tardy terrace]

Other times I'll queue up machining commentary videos

[full fossil]

Bro Linux is Great

[tepid jasper]

me as an os

[dreamy rose]

why are you asking me this? i've told this 50 times that i've used MacOS. its unusable.

[fervent prairie]

BlahajOS when?

[mild elm]

Unusable how?

[stray apex]

Linux is great for specific use cases
otherwise it is at best on par with the other two, but at worst literally unusuable

[tepid jasper]

need

[tardy terrace]

[full fossil]

It is the best for coding

[stray apex]

nah
you can code on literally anything

coding is not an intensive use case
it's literally just text editing

[full fossil]

Ya but it got all the tools

[mild elm]

Literally this

[vapid smelt]

even on tissue paper

[median idol]

I'm a Linux fan myself but I'll admit that the OS is at least competent

[tardy terrace]

IDE's exist on other OSes my guy

[dreamy rose]

look at the thing. one click. Colored files instead of folders. a bar at the top and a space waster at the bottom. how could people be fine with this failed best of of no operating system?

[dreamy rose]

its really not but ok

[stray apex]

yes
that's why I use so many tissues mom
computer science

[mild elm]

You can get folders

And literally fullscreen

[dreamy rose]

then whats the point of blue and red and green and blue folders?

[stray apex]

it took thirteen year old me like three days to figure out how to use macos so

[mild elm]

Colour coding

[stray apex]

and to be clear, I was not a smart 13 year old

[dreamy rose]

what for

[mild elm]

Why not have it

[dreamy rose]

WHY have it?

[mild elm]

Maybe other people use it

You’re not the only person in the world

[tepid jasper]

i mean id be fine with that tbh

[dreamy rose]

you dont know why it exists do you?

[mild elm]

And who cares if they do have it?

[tepid jasper]

in windows

[mild elm]

Does it hurt you?

[tepid jasper]

the more options the better no?

[mild elm]

Did Tim Cook sleep with your dad?

[dreamy rose]

Windows is a Pathetic mess too. its not safe from criticisim.

[stray apex]

no
what's good about linux is that it's all the same

[tardy terrace]

Because you can designate a color for a type of folder, say for a project active on the desktop you need to pull files from. Sounds in teal, animated assets in pink, stock images in yellow, videos in green

[tepid jasper]

other than the coloured close and minimize button that brings me throbbing pain

[dreamy rose]

i am his dad

[stray apex]

why do you have folder names

[median idol]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[mild elm]

Not everyone is as tech savvy as you, ok?

[stray apex]

why do you even have folders

[mild elm]

MacOS is perfectly fine for most use cases and is super easy to use.

[tepid jasper]

still mad with how long i had to spend disabling garbage on windows 11

[dreamy rose]

you cant disable garbage in Windows. windows IS the garbage.

[full fossil]

Nah It'[s keyboard is the worst

[tardy terrace]

Please stop being a dense nugget of insufferability and use those two neurons of yours

[full fossil]

anyways I gtg

[stray apex]

macbook keyboards have been great (durability of butterfly aside) for years

[full fossil]

I got class

[tepid jasper]

i mean the heck else am i gon use

[mild elm]

I love macbook kb

[tepid jasper]

i refuse to use linux cause im too ooga booga

[full fossil]

the butterfly is the worst of the worst

[dreamy rose]

only good one of the 3 is Linux

[dreamy rose]

Linux.

[stray apex]

linux is terrible

[tepid jasper]

i will mess something up and not be able to fix it

[stray apex]

the software is fine
but the community is insufferable

[full fossil]

What garbage ?

[tepid jasper]

i am 100% sure

[cedar osprey]

hey guys, I'm new here

[dreamy rose]

your opinion is Terrible.

[mild elm]

Average Linux user

[median idol]

I don't necessarily disagree with the Windows statement, but the average normie can't be arsed to use a terminal or sudo apt update every week or so

[stray apex]

the linux community seems to be like 90% people who literally are not capable of empathizing with normal human beings

[cedar osprey]

me who uses kali linux on my lenovo tab

[dreamy rose]

they dont need to. simple as that.

[stray apex]

like, if you ever wonder why linux isn't as popular as macos or windows
probably because half the devs have no idea how normal people actually use computers

[mild elm]

Bionic, you’re not the only person in this world

[dreamy rose]

if you used linux you'd know Grandma can use it.

[cedar osprey]

or you could say they like complications as it keeps their braincells active

[cedar osprey]

my grandma struggles to use button phone, no offense but she hates tech

[tepid jasper]

idk i feel like id just change something and just destroy the system

[dreamy rose]

Shes beyond help if she refuses tech.

[cedar osprey]

she's almost 80

[stray apex]

you can lol
they've mostly fixed those issues by now, but they still pop up from time to time

infamously linus uninstalled his desktop environment while trying to install steam

[dreamy rose]

you dont need to go into anything other than the home directory.

[tepid jasper]

i know thats why i refuse linux

[stray apex]

technically you can just reinstall the desktop, but nobody is gonna fucking do that

[cedar osprey]

anyways I'm turning 18 in a month and was looking for a laptop anyone wants to help me shortlist some

[dreamy rose]

Dont use buggy Desktops: fear sorted go install KDE Neon.

[tepid jasper]

i have the brain activity of a rock

[tardy terrace]

start watching yt reviews of popular models

[stray apex]

what will you be doing with it?

what's your budget?

[dreamy rose]

Asus TUF A16. as good as a 3070 mobile with 10+hrs battery life

[cedar osprey]

my computer engineering studies with specialization in AI/ML, games,business,personal stuff(movies/web series)

[tepid jasper]

um

[stray apex]

uh
do they need you to run the ML stuff locally

or will they provide something you can use for that

[tepid jasper]

that sort of stuff is a bit heavy for laptop usage i think

[cedar osprey]

need us

[stray apex]

why in tarnation

[tardy terrace]

what the tit lmao

[stray apex]

well, you're gonna want an nvidia gpu then
ideally with as much VRAM as possible

[dreamy rose]

ppl make laptop servers, dont be a DOOFUS.

[cobalt breach]

my gpu fans onlymove when i move my mouse, is this a feature?

[stray apex]

also, what's your budget

[cedar osprey]

my budget is like $4-5k

[stray apex]

okay, well at least you have an appropriate budget

[tardy terrace]

Please stop being cringe for an hour.
If that means you stop talking, so be it.

[stray apex]

you'll probably want to go for something with a quadro

[cedar osprey]

it's my first laptop and i haven't got a phone yet

[dreamy rose]

4090 out of the question

[cedar osprey]

include the 10-30% student discount as well

[dreamy rose]

2k for a laptop GPU alone

[tepid jasper]

well it depends on the data set they're working on no?

[cedar osprey]

so like $6-7k

[dreamy rose]

ur cringe.

[stray apex]

have mobile lovelace quadros released yet?

[cedar osprey]

i also want good battery life, could compromise to a avg display

[dreamy rose]

likely not

[stray apex]

that's
probably not gonna happen

[tepid jasper]

well ur not gonna do ai and ml on the go

[cedar osprey]

i got no idea on that for now

[tepid jasper]

so if u at least dont have that expectation

[cedar osprey]

classes start on july 1st

[dreamy rose]

not happening with Nvidia.

[stray apex]

you could get a gpu farm and a normal laptop and remote into it?

[cedar osprey]

8 hrs atleast?

[dreamy rose]

not scientifically possible.

[tepid jasper]

how useful is tensor cores for ml?

[cedar osprey]

6 atleast?

[dreamy rose]

Ryzen/Radeon does it easy.

[cedar osprey]

just remembered the AI/Ml teaching would start from 5th semester so...

[vapid smelt]

mac does it better

[dreamy rose]

its a fucking Mac.

we are talking PCs.

[gilded valve]

I love mac flurry

[cedar osprey]

mac is something i would stay far from

[dreamy rose]

its really up to you what matters most. Battery life or raw power and performance

[cedar osprey]

i could consider apple products to be one of my allergies

[stray apex]

why the fuck did nvidia give lovelace quadros such a stupid name