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[wary summit]

DAMN

Z1 Extreme only 699!!! whoooooo

[pliant karma]

👀

[crude jasper]

last night a little dancer came dancin' to my door

[mild jacinth]

"only"

[full fossil]

Given the performance, it’s one of the best values for a computer on the market

[wary summit]

Whats the best AM4 mobo chipset?

[chrome vector]

I got a free 1660 super from Amazon. I tried my luck and ordered an openboc 1660 super directly from Amazon. When it got delivered, it was obviously lighter than it should have been. Opened it up, and yup. HP OEM 1660 super inside. Got a free GPU and 3090 box & accessories out of it, though.

Ended up giving the GPU to my sister's husband who really needed a GPU upgrade.

[formal pumice]

was the ltt stream from yesterday removed? was it limited time only?

[spring socket]

Unfortunately the HP 1660 super has kinda crummy thermals iirc

[chrome vector]

Not that hot of a GPU in the first place. I think you're thinking of the Dell one, that's the one Gamers Nexus did a video about. This one isn't that bad IMHO.

Plus, the GPU my brother in law had was extremely old, and from a prebuilt. This was significantly better.

[barren herald]

What happened to the VOD of the Google livestream? Can’t find it on YT or floatplane

[formal pumice]

same question here

[full fossil]

I am proud to say that my 1k gaming laptop gets around the same fps in witcher 3 as the 700 dollar ROG ally

[summer folio]

Why would Floatplane have Googles livestram?

[barren herald]

The VOD was on floatplane but now it’s gone

[summer folio]

Google stopped backing YouTube? Google migrating to floatplane?

[summer folio]

You gotta download all the videos yourself

Just like when Tesla Elon Musk made it so all LTT videos was available

all private videos was public, was great, then Linus privated them again...

[barren herald]

I see the “no memes or shitposting” is well regarded on this channel.

[summer folio]

[full fossil]

Gaming laptop matches APU 😞

[tired glade]

Apus not that bad anymore and fsr available for them

[summer folio]

I love Apu, best simpsons character.

"Thank you! Come Again!" -👳‍♂️

[full fossil]

I’m all for it

[pseudo flume]

my p12 max and p14s just came in today

happy days

[summer folio]

P12 means Boy 12 in Sweden/Swedish

[pseudo flume]

💀

[summer folio]

pojke = boy

[mild jacinth]

my gpu came in yesterday

[pseudo flume]

happy days

[mild jacinth]

ye 3 days earlier then expected

guess that 6 dollar shipping extra was worth it

[pseudo flume]

mine was a day earlier so im pretty happy

i wanted my build to be revamped by the weekend so as soon as I find time to get it done today I'll make sure to get it done

[mild jacinth]

i want it revamped by tonight

just gotta get a psu at lunch at good to go

[summer folio]

Finally a sales day for white folks

[mighty lantern]

How much difference does r7 6800hs make over r5 6600h in case of gaming if paired with same GPU?

[coral cargo]

hello

[summer folio]

200s

[mighty lantern]

Wdym?

[elfin parrot]

Bruh you just replyed to a 5 year old msg what is wrong with you lol

[summer folio]

[summer folio]

6800hs - 6600h = 200s

guess I forgot about the R7-R5 = 2 part, ur rightt

[mighty lantern]

[summer folio]

depends on the game, & resolution settings I would say

& which GPU.

[mighty lantern]

At 1080p

[mighty lantern]

3050ti

[tender geyser]

900 canadian doubloons

[lethal copper]

Welp looks like my PC might be dead

Doesnt have video output and now is refusing to shut down even when holding down the power button or reset one

Oh nvm lmao, reset it but straight up unplugging it and it started working

[wispy marsh]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/799378997690499102/1106246735640154142/IMG_1199.jpg?width=1527&height=859

😄

[sleek blade]

asus

[mint abyss]

first time replacing a gpu, about to do it in 10mins, 970 to 3060, should i worry about old gpu driver? uninstall the 970 driver first?

[atomic vessel]

yeah uninstall it first

[jaunty compass]

windows 11, ew

that dpad seriously looks putrid

[tender geyser]

it will still work, you can just do a clean install of drivers through the installer

theres an option to delete previous drivers

[modern terrace]

uninstall it first yes, then download the new 3060 driver, no problem

[wind pulsar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVT3WUa-48Y Rock Paper Scissors but epic ig

[mint yacht]

Oh that ugly video

[wind pulsar]

How dare you

[mild jacinth]

hm

[wind pulsar]

Decided to delete it since the video is quite graphic lol

[mild jacinth]

u could just put a tw

[molten drift]

Can't wait to get out of work tomorrow night and kickstart the weekend playing magic

[summer folio]

Red, am i rite or am i rite?

Magic Online was fun in the beta, was free

[molten drift]

I play black blue and I've only been playing for ablut a week lol

And technically arena is ftp still I haven't paid for arena. Yet.

[summer folio]

everyone had the same starter deck for all the colora

[summer folio]

oh, they copied Hearthstone?

[molten drift]

Sorta

[full fossil]

if a discord server is banned, is it gone forever? There's stuff on it I wanna see 😭

[grand canopy]

were u trying to sell nitro

[full fossil]

No

[grand canopy]

lol

[gentle slate]

I find it amazing with how much useless shit new phones come with

from weird useless shortcuts, to weird apps... Why

[full fossil]

I genuinely don't know what happened, but I'm gonna guess one of our members did something

[grand canopy]

yes yes hyper intellectual panda

[gentle slate]

My grandmas hew phone has 4-5 ways to open google

[grand canopy]

and she also has wrinkles

[gentle slate]

Hold power button - opens google. Swipe up from navbar - opens google. tap a button several times- opens google. And then there's the search bar on the main screen

[tired glade]

It's fine

[grand canopy]

-cough till death

[gentle slate]

is reverse the local schizo

[grand canopy]

for what?

u tried after removing the cap

[gentle slate]

buy new keyboard

[woven egret]

Where did the google IO stream go in floatplane? I was able to see it before and now I can't.

[grand canopy]

ok rich panda

does warranty cover it?

just get it for repair or smthing, no point buy new 1 for just one key

try some yt vids before

huh i dont even know on which part of the planet u live

[woven egret]

Where do I get floatplane support?

[graceful burrow]

Probably on floatplane

[slim mirage]

https://www.floatplane.com/support

[graceful burrow]

Woah would you look at that

[slim mirage]

bottom of website has a contact support button 🙂 ignore mr grumpy pants above me

[summer folio]

Does it have emotional support button?

[slim mirage]

idk click it and ask

[hard mirage]

@dry tusk you pay for floatplane

[dry tusk]

I do-

[full fossil]

How can I be a <@&375452907408982026>?

[long briar]

BRO you don't ping ALL OF THEM and check their website for Job openinga

[summer folio]

Nono, you gotta win the ASus Rog Challange

LTTs 5:th most watched video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8NFhjj0bUk

[wary acorn]

yes, and its the best one

[long briar]

she's not there anymore

[pulsar tangle]

Considering your profile i'd say you don't exactly have the best chances

[dusty rune]

you apply for a job

[midnight elk]

BHAGAHAH

[full fossil]

Ban speedrun

[slate tulip]

https://linusmediagroup.com/jobs

I see nothing about pay or benefits in any of those job postings

ah, they have a general section for benefits at least - that's good at least

[stray imp]

you might get a 5000 dollar tech upgrade

[slate tulip]

but I can get by working a normal job

[shrewd lynx]

aint that illegal

[stray imp]

no

[slate tulip]

not sure. And if I was, they are in the Canada anyway, so I still wouldn't know

[shrewd lynx]

no your employees will ruin your floor and bribe your wife and ruin your hair and see you naked

[slate tulip]

might just a bit shady to not publish a salary. Maybe they just assume that you will assume they pay standard market wages so they don't need to list them

[shrewd lynx]

dennis gets paid for ruining linuses life and its so fun

[stray imp]

Either way It has now been 12 days since I placed my parts order and they are yet to ship from China yet the pcbs I designed had manufactured have shipped made it across the ocean made it through customs and are traveling to me

[slate tulip]

wut

[shrewd lynx]

lmg lore (lmg lore)

[slate tulip]

wut

[stray apex]

https://www.indeed.com/q-Linux-Media-Group-jobs.html?vjk=5dd2f8ff7b8fa0c8

[stray imp]

Awwwwww cute doggy

[slate tulip]

oh. I don't follow LTT, so idk anything about that

[stray apex]

apparently sara butt found ltt through indeed
so maybe they have listings?

[full fossil]

[stray apex]

https://ca.indeed.com/jobs?q=linus+media+group&l=&from=searchOnHP&vjk=d3e958b666b5f08f
hm
doesn't seem like they have payment listed

[stray imp]

Aww dang I just realized one of the usb2.0 header pins on my water bottle from them is not where it should be oof

[slate tulip]

oh darn, can't upload images here

https://i.imgur.com/nOV94Ta.png

[shrewd lynx]

you can download an iso

[slate tulip]

I guess your best bet would be to check glassdoor and hope they pay comparable wages

[hallow path]

maybe he wants to run a windows vps

[stray apex]

https://i.imgur.com/nOV94Ta.png

[slate tulip]

that seems a bit low for a "Senior" role though, doesn't it? But idk anything about it

[mint abyss]

retired the 970 that was been my main gpu for 8 years, the original packaging is long gone, how do I store this gpu? it doesn't worth much, just trying to figure out where/what kind of box is best to put it in

[hallow path]

an esd bag would probably be the best bet

gpu in the esd bag, some bubble wrap around the bag, and put everything inside a shoebox

[slate tulip]

wut

[shrewd lynx]

you mean Cloud PC?

uhhh dont know any free ones but microsoft has a paid one

[slate tulip]

why would anyone offer that for free? Sounds like a good way to get your services blacklisted because it's used by spam, bots, etc.

can you get some trials from reputable cloud providers like AWS and Azure

[shrewd lynx]

how the hell does jonnathans hair grow so fast

[molten drift]

Genetics...

[slate tulip]

who? and why do we care about their hair?

[shrewd lynx]

i want

[shrewd lynx]

because im jealous

[molten drift]

Aparently someone named Jonathan Guess they work at ltt has hair that grows fast.

[slate tulip]

@molten drift how are you today?

[slate tulip]

sounds like a lot of work. My hair is too long already. I need to find a new person to cut my hair and trim my beard

[molten drift]

I wanna explode and I want it to be 5:30 pm est tomorrow so I can be on the way to magic the gathering.

[slate tulip]

I used to just walk a few blocks to this hair stylist close to my house, but at some point since my last hair cut, they got sold and turned into a nail salon, so my hair is too long because I need to find the time to research local barbers and then go to one, and bleh

so much work compared to just walking two blocks in the middle of the day

[slate tulip]

don't explode - that'd be a lot of paperwork for someone 😛

[forest valve]

I shave my beard completely

[slate tulip]

oooh, MtG is fun, but I've heard horror stories about playing it in person with randos, and online can be boring while you wait for your turn

[molten drift]

I enjoy playing it online and in person

[hallow path]

i played MtG for a tiiiiiiiny while

[molten drift]

A new set drops tomorrow. And work is stressful as they haven't restored all our tools since the security breach on 4/17

[slate tulip]

I grew up playing with my step-dad and sibling, but we didn't buy multi-hundred dollar decks, we just had a large pool of cards and made random decks from the same pool. It was fun - you weren't playing $500 deck vs. a $20 one

[hallow path]

during tempest
i still have my cards somewhere

[slate tulip]

what do you do again?

[hallow path]

all in card sleeves

[slate tulip]

find a group that showers?

[molten drift]

Medicare advantage provider and member customer service

[slate tulip]

ah. That sounds painful. I've heard horror stories of the poor tooling and resources they give you for jobs like that

[molten drift]

So far yes they are all clean minus two of them that reek of devils lettuce

[forest valve]

Oh hell no, i cannot be around people that don't take care of their hygiene

[molten drift]

I mean their an older man 50-60 who is a carpet installer. So it's expected

[full fossil]

That’s an excuse because..?

[woven egret]

Where is the Google I/O live stream recording?

[slate tulip]

Yay! As a dude on the autism spectrum who likes video games, card games, etc - I get annoyed when other people reinforce negative stereotypes

[molten drift]

On the internet

[woven egret]

can't find it

[slate tulip]

I go out of my way to well-kept

[full fossil]

Yea like I work on ships and sweat through my clothes daily
It doesn’t excuse me from showering 💀

[forest valve]

No cap

[molten drift]

I mean it's devil's lettuce smell not bo quad

[full fossil]

So? Shower

[molten drift]

Kinda hard to shower when they "injest" in the parking lot

[slate tulip]

yeah, I don't smoke, so I don't enjoy that smell. Bleh

if you need to smoke, at least smoke something that doesn't smell bad

some vapes aren't horrible

[indigo plume]

how much can I sell a pc with 2070 super and ryzen 5 3600 for

[vapid smelt]

$5

[molten drift]

$2

We're playing price is right rules right?

[indigo plume]

trying for 800 cad atm but idk if thats to high

[molten drift]

Well take the price of the parts new and subtract 40%

[vapid smelt]

are you going to invite them to dinner to?

[indigo plume]

I swear all u ever do is troll me

[vapid smelt]

its just a 2070super and 3600 or are you selling the case mbo power ect ect?

[indigo plume]

selling an entire pc but those are just the major components

[vapid smelt]

thats important info to know

[indigo plume]

its like a 550 gold power supply and was like a 70 dollar case

[vapid smelt]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/XZ6cJM you can build a new pc with similar or better performance for $860 cad

[molten drift]

^

[indigo plume]

well ill try like 650 or so then

[vapid smelt]

it would be more helpfull if you made a pcpartpicker list of all the parts you are selling

[indigo plume]

would they still be there since some parts are no longer sold

[vapid smelt]

yes

[lean helm]

by the way.... Ya .... All .... just....Lost.....

THE GAME

[mild elm]

Hahaha so funny I’m dying of laughter help

[lean helm]

I know 🙂

[indigo plume]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Dh4FQ6 here is the list

[vapid smelt]

600 cad sounds fair

[indigo plume]

okayt thanks

[drowsy geyser]

Bro even shutdown /p isn't enough to stop a windows update.

[tired glade]

LTT made videos a week ago about reblooming window for old pcs

[teal estuary]

the power switch on the back of your computer is pretty good at it though

[tired glade]

Check that one for windows updates

[stray apex]

I mean, yeah
why would windows let you force a shutdown while it's updating

[thorny axle]

@near nymph the credit score updated

Sure enough, it actually did think I had 4 credit score, and it was clearly not right

Now the score indicator thing moves up instead of down, meaning it’s above the minimum, and the color is correct

Also, it says I gained an absurd amount of points (aka my score-4)

[full fossil]

As someone with a high credit score
I fucking hate the credit score system

[crude jasper]

its useful though

it's people using it improperly that ruins it

its main purpose is just to prove you're responsible

[fossil dirge]

I might plan on getting the Razer Blade

Since it's a great laptop and it can handle gaming

[supple creek]

It doesnt do that though. I am turning 40 in a few days. I have never been indebted to anyone or any company. I have always paid my bills on time, have never missed rent, etc... But that also means I have never needed to lean on the credit system. Still responsible.

However, my wife and I have recently been trying to buy our first home. However, our lack of a need for credit is now making the process extremely difficult, regardless of both having 20+ years of very responsible financially dealings. There are better ways to gauge responsibility and trustworthiness. Such things as actually looking back at track records with rent payments, banking history, bill payment, etc... Most things of this nature are not reported to credit agencies unless there is an unpaid amount.

[thorny axle]

Any particular reason?

[thorny axle]

In a bit of fairness, I’d argue it’s probably easier for most people to forget a credit card payment than a bill payment

[crude jasper]

what he meant was that is he only used current money he had, not leveraging debt

[supple creek]

Correct.

[thorny axle]

Yeah, but that’s a bit different from actually handling credit

[supple creek]

Basically what the current rendition of the credit system does is show how responsible those who have leaned on the credit system have or have not been. It does nothing for those who have never had the need, until they do, and then find themselves unable, regardless of how responsible they have been.

[crude jasper]

tbf credit cards wouldn't have done too much for credit history even if you used them, is a pretty big flaw with the system

large loan history is what usually proves responsibility to banks and not very many people like doing that

[thorny axle]

I’m not sure I see what you’re saying

Using a credit card is easily enough to get a very good credit score

[crude jasper]

paying off a credit card will not provide you sufficient credit history for a mortgage

there's a difference between having good score and having credit history

[fossil frost]

given how many times i get a reminder by email from my CC to say that a payment is due in 3 days, then 2 days, then tomorrow, and then today... i would say its quite hard to miss a CC payment... especially if you do what a normal person would do, and just set up a direct debit to pay off a set amount (or the minimum required payment), then you will never miss anything

[thorny axle]

Ah

[fossil frost]

mortgage companies dont care about that, they want you to be able to afford 3-5x the actual payments of your mortgage, if you pass that, then you can afford your actual mortgage

[supple creek]

Credit history is what matters when looking at major purchases, such as new cars, homes, etc... which if you have not had the need to establish long term credit, your score still sucks, regardless of responsibility level. Which was my only point.

[crude jasper]

based off of what the above dude is saying, im pretty sure he can prove that he can pay for that

and at that point they'd approve him but they haven't

[thorny axle]

Credit history goes into your credit score

[vapid smelt]

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/mortgage-fee-changes-good-high-credit-scores/ having a good credit score can now make you pay a higher mortgage fee

[crude jasper]

yeah just not the other way around

[fossil frost]

they have a standard formula, if you have the pay slips and bank account proof to show you are able to afford it... only time they will turn you down based on your credit history, is if you have previously been missing a LOT of payments on a LOT of different things

[crude jasper]

yeah income/debt ratio

[thorny axle]

Pretty sure they want a high credit score as well

[fossil frost]

they dont care, they look at the actual details of what contributed to it... you can have a high credit score by just never having credit... what they want to know is that you are able to get credit AND pay it back properly

[crude jasper]

so the only thing they have to do is trust him blindly?

you need credit history unless your down payment is fuckin huge

[supple creek]

I can tell you from first hand experience (at least in the past two years), this is not always the case. I do not know about looking back further than that. We eventually managed to get our home funding taken care of, but there were a lot more hoops than really should be needed for somebody with a verifiable history, whether credit based or not.

[supple creek]

That asterisk about the down payment is exactly how we got around it

[fossil frost]

no, they look into what contributed to that credit score... if your credit score is 999, but you have never actually had credit, so you are just at 999 by default... they dont have any clue of they can/should trust you... if you have a 890 credit score, but have a credit card, and a loan, and finance on something, and have never missed a payment... they KNOW they can trust yo u

[thorny axle]

That’s what goes into your credit score

[crude jasper]

i know that

[thorny axle]

It seems you live somewhere with different economics

[fossil frost]

thats what im saying, they need to be able to verify your history... they dont care what the actual number is, they want to know the reasons the number is the number it is

[thorny axle]

Not everywhere is the same

[vapid smelt]

credit scores are a scam, pay off a loan they lower your score , use most of your credit limit but you still pay it off in full the next month they lower your credit score

[thorny axle]

When you pay off a loan, they raise your score

[vapid smelt]

https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/why-did-my-credit-score-drop-when-I-paid-off-a-loan/

[crude jasper]

using most of your limit looks risky to them, which would also depend on your income

the loan thing im not sure

[thorny axle]

That looks more like a limit case

[thorny axle]

^
You have to look at it from the bank’s perspective

[crude jasper]

like lets say most of that limit was 5% of your income, it would look less risky than compared to say using most of the limit thats 10%

[full fossil]

They don’t
Your score drops immediately because the lines of credit you have open drops
It comes back up over time but it will drop immediately

I paid off two student loans and it dropped 50 points

[crude jasper]

so ie they raise your score

[thorny axle]

I’m very sure they raise your score in the end

Maybe the next month it drops a tiny bit

In some edge cases

[crude jasper]

student loans are also an entirely different issue, they are the shittiest loan ever

the government sponsoring the student loan system was the worst thing to ever happen

[vapid smelt]

just dont take out a student loan ez pz

[crude jasper]

it increases the pay for jobs that would otherwise have lower pay because they need to pay off unnecessary student loan debt, which is really bad in the case of doctors

it makes healthcare more expensive than it should be

[thorny axle]

We love macroeconomics

Every choice is controversial

[crude jasper]

i love spending 2 trillion dollars a year in tax money on medicare that just lines peoples pockets instead of being useful

[slate tulip]

Still waiting in you ;)

[thorny axle]

Put some money here, has to come from there

[summer folio]

it's very good in Sweden

[crude jasper]

medicare specifically is shit

[full fossil]

Our Medicare system is corrupt as hell

[crude jasper]

we also have 2,500+ hospitals that are "non-profit" so they don't have to pay taxes yet have the same prices as for-profit hospitals

[summer folio]

Student loans are the best loans you ever can take?

[crude jasper]

student loan system is dumb and wasn't needed

[thorny axle]

The moment when not everybody lives in Sweden

[summer folio]

Sad

[full fossil]

Elaborate

[halcyon ermine]

discord be like down on desktop

[crude jasper]

we didn't need it prior to its implementation? and it's not even being used for what it was meant to be

[slate tulip]

@supple creek RE: credit - I’m apparently getting close to perfect credit. I just pay for almost everything on my credit card and pay it off each month. Open a few accounts here and there and never close anything. It slowly adds up

[summer folio]

really?

[slate tulip]

If only i can get enough for a downpayment - housing prices here suck

[halcyon ermine]

ye

[full fossil]

We didn’t need a student loan system? Or a government student loan system

[vapid smelt]

$16 charge for tissues 😛

[halcyon ermine]

ppl on downdetector seem to agree

[vapid smelt]

im on desktop right now

[fossil frost]

using discord desktop right now, its fine

[halcyon ermine]

fax i just told the bank im goin to harvard and spent the money on 25 clapped out nissan altimas

[halcyon ermine]

prolly just west coast the

[vapid smelt]

and bizze in the UK and im in the US and we are both using discord on desktop

[summer folio]

But studying to doctor is free, University is free, you even get payed to study. Just change your system, gg ez

[supple creek]

The housing market is hell in many places right now, I feel it. We just ended up with a house that was half it's current cost just a year and a half ago. I would've preferred to wait and hope it bursts, but we have an expanding family and cant wait that long.

[summer folio]

Raise taxxes to 50%

[full fossil]

Not in the usa

[crude jasper]

has interest rates higher than inflation, while income is not keeping up with inflation. and what r3mpuh said in this message #public-chat message

[crude jasper]

we have the funds we just waste 2 trillion a year on shit medicare that lines peoples pockets

[vapid smelt]

you can go into any college class for free

[thorny axle]

Nah. Let’s all put our money in a pile and split it

[crude jasper]

we pay more per capita in tax money for healthcare than europeans do in alot of their countries

tax rate does not need to be changed at all

[full fossil]

That doesn’t answer anything

[crude jasper]

we don't need the system in the first place?

[full fossil]

You’re arguing we don’t need student aid systems at all?

[summer folio]

I think the first thing you need to do USA is make health insurance illegal

[thorny axle]

Just pay for college with a credit card

[crude jasper]

federally fund it instead of making people pay anything past minor tuition fees

[slate tulip]

It’s frustrating - i have good credit, but even perfect credit only gets you so far - and when anything under $500,000 is basically an empty lot, a small downpayment is still a lot of money

[full fossil]

Good luck with that

[full fossil]

I see what you’re saying now though

[crude jasper]

we have atleast a trillion dollars we can repurpose in our tax spending system

[thorny axle]

Lol

[summer folio]

Healty insurance drives your prices up, so make it illegal.

[full fossil]

US government is just way too selfish to do anything like that

[crude jasper]

we'd also get even more tax revenue if we taxed the 2,500 or so "non-profit" hospitals that aren't actually non-profit

[full fossil]

And bogged down in bureaucratic crap

[crude jasper]

No

medicare is also doing that, and so is market monopoly

[vapid smelt]

what if the student just drops out or doesn't get a job that uses their degree? should they have to pay the government back?

[crude jasper]

we can't import pharmaceuticals so the companies can set whatever prices they want

[summer folio]

Capitalism obviously gives the lowest prices.
So make all the hospitals compete with each other on prices gg ez

[full fossil]

Like
I’m on month 2 of getting my gov credit card paid off, over 100 emails and dozens of pages of paperwork to get a card I used at my job for my job paid

It’s cost more in manpower, work hours, and processing than the actual debt on the card

[crude jasper]

is it an issue in europe?

[low rain]

I broke two pairs of glasses in one day

[crude jasper]

we have more funds and the funds to do so

[thorny axle]

Europe is not the United States

[low rain]

My main and now my motherfucking spares

[crude jasper]

yeah, except we have more disposable funds

[thorny axle]

We spend stuff on military and definitely won’t stop

[crude jasper]

medicare uses 1.2 trillion more
military spending isn't the issue

[full fossil]

Also wastes an amount of money on bureaucratic bs that would make you sick

[thorny axle]

Did we spend that much?

[crude jasper]

2 trillion a year for government funded health programs

[thorny axle]

I thought it was under a trillion

[crude jasper]

thats more per capita than alot of european countries
so where the fuck is it going?

[thorny axle]

Ah, government funded health programs

[crude jasper]

medicare/obamacare so on

[full fossil]

Pockets and lost in paperwork

[crude jasper]

nope it just lines the pockets of big pharma

[thorny axle]

Take a macroeconomics class and a government class so you realize there is no good answer and even if there was, it’s impossible to change it

[crude jasper]

it pays for outrageously high bills, meanwhile hospital bills VA money pays for? conveniently way lower. i wonder why

[full fossil]

I can promise you a shitload of money is lost in bs paperwork and miscommunication

[crude jasper]

so why is medicare paying for $700 insulin

[vapid smelt]

only about 3% of or gdp

[crude jasper]

europe spends 1-2% of their GDP on military, 3% certainly isn't that much

japan pays 2%

[crude jasper]

this is a NATO requirement btw

[full fossil]

Where did you get that number

[vapid smelt]

the NATO standard/ target is 2% of GDP

[crude jasper]

didn't mean it in that way, just saying that medicare is paying for the outrageously high prices that hospital bills are totaled at

[thorny axle]

That’s still quite a lot

[crude jasper]

instead of just lowering the bill price itself

[summer folio]

imagine being in NATO, kinda cringe bro. -🇸🇪

[thorny axle]

It’s not like we can spend 100% of our GDP if it’s not the end of the world

[crude jasper]

yeah germany/poland was super pissed for a decent bit of time because other european NATO countries weren't meeting it

[stray apex]

it's not a requirement, it's a guideline

[full fossil]

So bureaucratic bs
Hospital gives number, it costs more in manpower/time to dispute it than to just pay it
Result

[crude jasper]

potato potato

[stray apex]

germany hasn't spent 2% on defense for decades

[crude jasper]

No it doesn't? you just need to allow importation of pharmaceuticals and that would kill the competition in america

[thorny axle]

If you think it’s so simple to just change where we spend our money, please go change it

[summer folio]

Everybody hates it when Germany spends money on the military

[thorny axle]

Or actually, not you, but someone who knows about macroeconomics

[crude jasper]

it's not simple because of the government being corrupt, how to explain to fix it is pretty simple

[full fossil]

What does that have to do with a hospital handing over a bill and medicare paying it

[stray apex]

the problem isn't even really that germany doesn't spend a lot of money
the problem is that their procurement system is hot garbage

[crude jasper]

the bill would be lower...

[stray apex]

delete insurance
profit

[vapid smelt]

we also spend the most in foreign add (part of the military budget)

[thorny axle]

Lol

[crude jasper]

regulate prices and allow importation it fixes a large portion of issues

[stray apex]

fuck insurance companies and tax companies

[full fossil]

This is an extremely naïve take

[thorny axle]

I believe that

[full fossil]

You’re basically saying “we can fix it if we ignore the human equation”

[summer folio]

doesnt matter
what do you contribute in % of GDP?

[crude jasper]

What?

[thorny axle]

Living without insurance is not the good

[crude jasper]

i simply said how to explain to fix it is simple, actually fixing it is not simple at all

[full fossil]

It is indeed suboptimal

[crude jasper]

it is incredibly hard to enact change

[stray apex]

do you think that other countries without private insurance companies
just don't have healthcare

private insurance is garbage

they add nothing of value to american society

[vapid smelt]

very small 🤏

[fossil frost]

any given country has many different types of people, and is run by a group of people who are trying to keep happy, a group of people similar to them, while making certain small changes to lightly pull other groups of people in too... just enough to stay in power... you cannot make everyone happy, you cannot have a country where everything "just works" without MUCH smaller countries, and without completely eliminating greed from the world

[stray apex]

the issue is that sometimes you get stuff like tax filing companies or private insurance companies
which basically just bribe the government so they can take money from people without creating value

[fossil frost]

as i said, "and without completely eliminating greed"

[summer folio]

You're number #23 with 0,16% of GNI.

Luxemburg is number #1 in foreign aid with 1,05% of GNI
Norway #2 with 1,02%
Sweden #3 with 0,99%
Denmark #4 with 0,77%
Germany #5 with 0,60%

[stray apex]

you can still have greed, but greed should incentivize people to create value for others in exchange for money, not bribe the government to farm cash

[fossil frost]

cant have one without the other

[stray apex]

yeah, fundamentally it's an issue with our government

[vapid smelt]

but we spent the most money

[crude jasper]

european governments are also incredibly corrupt, just in different ways

[fossil frost]

*all governments

[crude jasper]

(don't ask the french about the african uranium and leaders)

[vapid smelt]

humans*

[crude jasper]

brought it up mainly because i've been citing european examples

[fossil frost]

and im on about humans in general

[crude jasper]

yeah

[thorny axle]

People want money, particularly when they are actually able to do it at the expense of others and get away with it

Aka corruption is almost a natural thing

If someone had the cure to corruption, they’d be the next superpower

[fossil frost]

corruption/greed has been around in humans since the beginning

[fossil frost]

i have the cure for it... any individual worth more than $1bn, they have to be sacrificed, and all their money is distributed to the rest of the people in the country as a 1 time gift that does not contribute to your own personal $1bn limit

[full fossil]

it doesn't help that like 12 people control more wealth than 4 billion

[crude jasper]

errrrrr

[fossil frost]

allows for people to actually try and be driven... but... puts a hard limit on greed, and encourages helping others

rather than keeping everything for yourself... you distribute it

[crude jasper]

not really the big issue with all of this

[fossil frost]

what im saying is that we should all kill billionaires

[thorny axle]

Easy $3

[stray apex]

We just need to add a prestige system to capitalism

[thorny axle]

Easy $50,000 or so

[stray apex]

Once you get a net worth of 1 billion you beat capitalism and you restart

[formal wadi]

what the fuck is this conversation

[fossil frost]

not even restart, you just get a big "Game Over" sign, and then get beaten to death with it

[thorny axle]

Definitely going to save the whole universe

[last solstice]

thisssss ^^^

[idle nymph]

Sorry we were hungry

Uranium baguette go hard

[thorny axle]

And then the wealth goes elsewhere and disappears

[last solstice]

doesnt uranium have like alot of calories

[thorny axle]

Socialism for income really doesn’t work

[last solstice]

w super food

[thorny axle]

I believe so

[fossil frost]

no, if you eat it, you rapidly lose weight

[last solstice]

aaaaa

[idle nymph]

American finna steal this after oil

[last solstice]

america needs to stop helping outside countries and help its own people with better education

[idle nymph]

And better food

[manic torrent]

Just turn off the auto gain etc?

[last solstice]

trueeeeeeeeee

[fossil frost]

some people dont want education

[idle nymph]

Ong American food taste like shit

[last solstice]

idk force it ?

[fossil frost]

good luck with that

[idle nymph]

In Supermarkt i mean not Restaurant

[thorny axle]

Depends where you go tbh

[idle nymph]

Most were awfull

[last solstice]

wait was I forced into education :

[stray apex]

America helping other countries is a strategic decision to maintain global hegemony

[thorny axle]

Just move to Virginia

[stray apex]

A more stable global economy benefits America the most

[idle nymph]

À cheap chocolate of France Was better than all chocolate i ate whilst in america

[thorny axle]

Tbh that’s personal preference

[idle nymph]

No

[vapid smelt]

American chocolate is shit

[thorny axle]

Unless you just bought some cheap milk chocolate here

[fossil frost]

no, american chocolate is known to be shit, by everyone outside of america

[idle nymph]

Their chocolate is fucking sugar whit some shit that give it taste

[vapid smelt]

and wax

[thorny axle]

Sounds like cheap milk chocolate tbh

[crude jasper]

american chocolate has an additive i forgot the name of that makes it taste like that

its specifically the additive that changes the taste that much

[thorny axle]

Like a Hershey’s bar

[stray apex]

If you buy cheap shit, sure

[idle nymph]

Ironic, the same cheap milk chocolate in Europe will taste a thousand time better

[fossil frost]

its because of the milk they use, it ends up making it taste like vomit, in the same way that parmesan smells like vomit

[thorny axle]

Obviously not the same cheap chocolate, lol

Some other cheap chocolate

[fossil frost]

but americans dont notice it, because they only know that taste

[idle nymph]

Not my fault yall get the most shit chocolate

[thorny axle]

Lol

[idle nymph]

Or maybe it is my fault

[crude jasper]

american chocolate also uses different cocoa beans + europe using more cocoa butter

[idle nymph]

Who know

[thorny axle]

Got to buy expensive chocolate

I went to Europe and had some chocolate

Definitely way better than cheap chocolate in America

[idle nymph]

In america, to get good or decent chocolate you start paying up lots of shit, in France cheap chocolate is already quite decent

[thorny axle]

But you can also buy expensive chocolate in America, it’s not like the supermarket is the only place to get chocolate

Some food here genuinely is good though

Assuming you go to the right place

[idle nymph]

Key Word : some

[crude jasper]

atleast for flavor profiles american chocolate will almost always taste different even if you use the same recipe, because we use different cocoa beans

[thorny axle]

For sure

[crude jasper]

it would taste as good just different

[thorny axle]

McDonald’s here is disgusting

[stray apex]

Most fast food isn't great these days

[thorny axle]

Stop trying to defend American chocolate

[crude jasper]

i recently tried the new burger crap in portland, its actually decently better

[idle nymph]

The neat différent is that in Europe most thing will be good, in america most thing taste Bad

[stray apex]

There's good American chocolate, you just have to pay for it

[crude jasper]

american chocolate is shit, just saying it will always taste different

[thorny axle]

Personally, I think 5 guys and subway are pretty good

[molten drift]

Five guys is good just overpriced

[stray apex]

I mean, subway is literally just a sandwich

Like
Lunch meat
Bread
Vegetable
Sauce

[thorny axle]

Definitely expensive

[thorny axle]

Hard to mess it up I suppose

[molten drift]

Like I feel it should be cheaper since I get my burgers with no bun but nope.

[thorny axle]

Perhaps why it’s not bad

[idle nymph]

The only thing that always tasted good i tried in america Was Dennis, god its so tasty there

[stray apex]

What the fuck

[thorny axle]

Ah Dennie’s

[stray apex]

Do you just have shit taste

[thorny axle]

Yeah, that’s a good breakfast place. Same with Cracker Barrel

[molten drift]

Cracker barrel is wonderful

[thorny axle]

Cracker Barrel is definitely better though

[crude jasper]

subway is good its just worse than other alternatives
doesn't help that its not very filling, like at all

[idle nymph]

Nah, they made the best burger i tried in america

[molten drift]

Their one of my favorite restaurants.

[stray apex]

Did you not try any local restaurants

[idle nymph]

Which once you think about it isnt a gréât feat

[idle nymph]

We did, we dont eat Bürger at local restaurant

[stray apex]

Why

[crude jasper]

Pretty sure a wendy's baconator would taste better than a dennys burger

[molten drift]

Can confirm

[stray apex]

The best food is always at local restaurants, not chains

[crude jasper]

america by far has the best burger places but not for fast food

[molten drift]

Denny's burgers don't even come with cheese standard. You gotta pay extra.

[crude jasper]

local american burger places will beat everything

[thorny axle]

Honestly the dream of every American with good taste:
Breakfast: Cracker Barrel
Lunch: 5 guys
Dinner: Charthouse

[idle nymph]

Cause we want sum else to eat

[molten drift]

Never heard of chart house.

[crude jasper]

i have never eaten cracker barrel

[thorny axle]

It’s a small chain

[stray apex]

Like with pretty much anything, getting local food is basically always the best choice

[molten drift]

Cracker barrel:It's southern style cooking

[thorny axle]

Very very very good food

[crude jasper]

for me:
breakfast: chipotle
lunch: chipotle
dinner:chipotle

[idle nymph]

We took dennys cause we had gréât burger there during the road trip, idk why yall dissing them, ong they tasted good asf

[crude jasper]

then again im biased because i work there can can control how it's made

[thorny axle]

Get like a $150 dinner lol

[molten drift]

I'm not a chipotle fan if I wanted bad overpriced tacos ild just go to taco bell

[crude jasper]

yeah but my employee meal makes it so i can eat 4,000 calories for $6

makes me pretty biased towards chipotle

i also again, can control how its made so i can make it taste way better

[idle nymph]

We tried taco Bell to see if the joke Was True, it was indeed True

[molten drift]

You don't need to eat 4000 calories a day....

[crude jasper]

Yes i do?

[molten drift]

The average human needs to consume less than 2000 calories a day

[thorny axle]

He’s a body builder

[crude jasper]

im young and workout alot, i certainly won't once i get older

[thorny axle]

He’s building his lower body

[crude jasper]

my metabolism is fast right now cause im younger man i definitely need 4,000 calories

[stray apex]

It's like
I dunno
Saying that the best ramen you've had in Japan is at a matsuya's

[thorny axle]

Particularly his belly

[crude jasper]

i weigh 170lbs and im 6'2 haha

[molten drift]

When I was a professional wrestler and lifting 275lbs people daily. I didn't even eat 4k calories...

[thorny axle]

Very average weight

[crude jasper]

thats entirely subjective

[molten drift]

I would top out at like 2500...

[idle nymph]

We didnt eat any Bürger other than when we were driving place à place b

[thorny axle]

How tall are you

[molten drift]

Then I was 5'2 now I'm 4'10

[thorny axle]

Taller people have to eat more

I’m over a foot taller than you. If I ate that much I’d be losing weight

[crude jasper]

i am a foot taller than you my guy

[stray apex]

But why
I wouldn't go to Germany and only stop at McDonald's

[thorny axle]

Ask me how I know

[molten drift]

Im not a guy

[idle nymph]

I weigh 54 kg (i aint making that lb) and is 1.80 slightly more (around 6 inch)

[idle nymph]

We wouldnt neither

[molten drift]

How did you get guy from Suzi. And my profile listing she her.

[thorny axle]

Same point

[vapid smelt]

[crude jasper]

that changes it even more, men inherently have more muscle mass
as for the wrong pronoun i just wasn't really paying attention my bad

[molten drift]

Mine is not a genetic condition coppa. It is medical I have severe spinal compression

[crude jasper]

fucked up man 😭

[thorny axle]

Let’s not tangent too far

[molten drift]

And I have not received my free axe as a dwarf yet. So I am not a dwarf.

[vapid smelt]

thats true

[idle nymph]

Sorry for that, might have ate it

[molten drift]

You... Ate an axe?

[vapid smelt]

here you go

[stray apex]

It was at a denny's

[thorny axle]

Only Americans eat that much

[idle nymph]

Yes

Emergency weapon stash

[molten drift]

I need it bigger like walking stick level axe... With a built in flask for apple juice.

[vapid smelt]

"apple juice"

[idle nymph]

Milk is better

[vapid smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z1Ple-qYuU

sue is a very manly name

[molten drift]

I mean... That song title used to. Be right..

But now it is wrong.

[molten drift]

I have a 3 liter bottle of apple juice in my fridge. I'm trying to kick soda.

[graceful burrow]

Greataxe >

[full fossil]

Juice here is fucking criminal

[molten drift]

I mean I feel like apple juice and water is healthier than sprite zero and water coppa

[vapid smelt]

sprite sounds very nice right now

[molten drift]

Know what else sounds nice?

[vapid smelt]

tacos

[molten drift]

Tater tots with cheese sauce and bacon

[stray apex]

Dominos has that but with melted cheese instead of sauce

[molten drift]

I know it was my lunch lol

[vapid smelt]

i cant or shouldnt have red meats since i have high cholesterol

[slate tulip]

yum!

share?

[molten drift]

They were my lunch so your 5 hours too late

[slate tulip]

dang

[vapid smelt]

Human Centipede

he will take the leftovers

[molten drift]

I am not having someone swen to me ..

[slate tulip]

ewwwww

🤮

[vapid smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhGkDrK9fJM wtf

we live in the best time period

[agile garden]

is it normal to lose 0.8gb of my ram?

like my older laptop shows 11.8gb and I got 12gb, but now this shows 15.2gb instead of the 16gb I got...

[graceful burrow]

Ye

[agile garden]

oh ok

but damn almost a gb

[stray apex]

windows uses the old method of counting bytes
manufacturers advertise the new one

[agile garden]

ohhh I see

oh right, byte and bit

[stray apex]

no

the ISO decided that it made more sense for a kb to be 1000 b and a gb to be 1000 kb and so on

whereas previously it was 1024

[agile garden]

oh right, instead of 1024

right

[stray apex]

so obviously manufacturers will use the new one, since it makes their stuff look bigger

[agile garden]

I am stupid, I forgot that byte and bit were complete different stuff

[stray apex]

but a lot of software still uses 1024

[agile garden]

well at least the difference isn't THAT much of a difference

[echo canopy]

kb always meant THOUSAND BYTES because thats how metric works.
Most people think of kibibytes

[stray apex]

nah

[agile garden]

AH I got so many pending install updates

this is so annoying

is it my screen or does linus look yellow in the console video...

[full fossil]

Pretty sure Kb is kilo bits

KB is kilo bytes, right?

[stray apex]

technically, yes

[thorny axle]

And gb is literally nothing, but everyone says it

[thorny axle]

Windows, lol

[stray apex]

my steamdeck did too

[thorny axle]

That’s all the kibi, Gibi and Tebi

[stray apex]

apparently CPU manufacturers also use 1024 for cache

[thorny axle]

In reality, it’s often a reasonably small amount

Enough so that it makes more sense for them to say MB and be wrong than have to say MiB and have a bunch of people question it

[echo canopy]

b = bit B = byte
oh wait you said that

[mild jacinth]

is it only ethernet cables that can carry power or hdmi cables too?

||also before anyone says power can't go through ethernet its called power over ethernet||

[crude jasper]

it can provide power

5 volts? iirc via MHL ports

[forest valve]

Someone posted this in #music but it's so funny it must be posted here https://youtu.be/HA9M6hEJFvQ

[mild jacinth]

ik i wasn't going crazy

[mild jacinth]

i mean ye not a lot but still something

[forest valve]

MHL lol that's ancient

[tardy terrace]

What the fuck is up my dorks & doofuses

[mild jacinth]

also can it power a 1660ti some how

[tardy terrace]

No lmao, HDMI MHL is like at max 5w

[mild jacinth]

oh

[forest valve]

I power my 1660ti with AA batteries

Note I didn't say how many

[tardy terrace]

It's meant to be a trickle-charge solution for mobile devices feeding display stuff

[mild jacinth]

its 10 watts

[tardy terrace]

10w, still not even close enough to power a gpu.

[mild jacinth]

ye

so i need a psu and a pci slot thing for it

because honestly this laptop has amazing single core performance but its bottle necked by not having a gpu

so i if i can use my 1660ti in it somehow that be amazing

[thorny axle]

Apple moment

[mild jacinth]

||mainly for traveling||

[thorny axle]

Though they do probably take a lot more under load

[molten drift]

Staring at the clock to get out of work I'm sick of elderly people using expletives on calls. And then happy I a have a slightly shorter shift tomorrow

[tardy terrace]

You're not going to get far w/ hooking up a desktop gpu to a laptop because most of the methods require that the motherboard/bios be set up to allow that kind of setup, as you'd either have to use thunderbolt, or if you don't have that, nvme m.2 to an adapter, and again that needs to be set up & validated by the mfr.

[mild jacinth]

thunderbolt?

[tardy terrace]

Oh boy

[mild jacinth]

i mean it be a cool project not neccesary

[molten drift]

Like An old man telling me to expletive myself because I am telling him as his insurance company we can't strong arm a doctor to see him sooner. So I just respond. Is their anything else I can assist you with today sir.. so glad I can sit down and watch some Holmes on homes on YouTube tonight to relax.

[tardy terrace]

I really don't suggest you try strapping a desktop gpu to a laptop if you don't know what you're doing, you're going to break something.

[mild jacinth]

but i wanna break something

[mild jacinth]

learn to ignore them

[tardy terrace]

ok but if you fuck up your laptop you can't come bitching to me

[mild jacinth]

i will

[tardy terrace]

lmao are you like 14

[thorny axle]

The way it sounds, he doesn’t really care about the laptop anymore

[mild jacinth]

i turn 20 tmmrw

[tardy terrace]

🤨

[molten drift]

Normally I can but he was also using expletives about my supervisor and a co worker and I can only take so much from a 70 something year old man

[mild jacinth]

im kidding i care about the laptop

it just sucks playing minecraft

[tardy terrace]

job = paycheck = better stuff

[mild jacinth]

well i have a pc

[molten drift]

I'm strongly staring at my Amazon cart cause of my paycheck lol

[mild jacinth]

upgradded to a 4070ti

[thorny axle]

I mean, it’s not really like there’s anything you can do

[tardy terrace]

same here, tempted to buy my first managed network switch

[molten drift]

Fighting the desire to buy a fancy game mat, a booster box, bunch of land cards and a case of sunny d...

But also trying to be responsible

Trying... Not succeeding so far..

[mild jacinth]

i mean divide a spending budget

[real schooner]

Stay away from the cardboard crack

[thorny axle]

You’ll get there

[molten drift]

Oh this is all after I paid my bills other than rent already invalid I have another check next week lol

[real schooner]

Game mats do make half decent mouse mats though

[molten drift]

My lapdog has a built in mouse mat though.

[mild jacinth]

nice

[wet helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA9M6hEJFvQ

[mild jacinth]

my laptop only has 2 usb 3 ports

[thorny axle]

Buy more

[mild jacinth]

so im using my pcs usb hub

[molten drift]

The Corsair lapdog was such a nice product for using my desktop on bed

#1027757333117415424

[real schooner]

#1027757333117415424

[thorny axle]

#1027757333117415424

[vapid smelt]

#1027757333117415424

[mild jacinth]

#1027757333117415424

[thorny axle]

You ruined it

[mild jacinth]

i did yes

[thorny axle]

You were supposed to reply

[mild jacinth]

someone had to ruin it

[thorny axle]

I’m on my way

[manic torrent]

hahahahaha OMG PoE so edgy. All cables carry power. (except fibre optic)

[mild jacinth]

well ye but it can power a ap

(access point)

[thorny axle]

Aren’t fiber optics just light?

[manic torrent]

If you want a powered connector for a display, USB C is where it's at

[real schooner]

nope, need either USBc or POE

[manic torrent]

yes, hence no power.

[thorny axle]

Light also has energy, so technically those also carry power

[mild jacinth]

i meant poe ...

[thorny axle]

E=hf

[manic torrent]

yes but it when I say power, I obviously mean electricity

[thorny axle]

lol

[mild jacinth]

wait can usb c do data transfer and chjarge a device at the same time

[real schooner]

physics trolling aside, USBc or POE are your only options for single cable

[tardy terrace]

aggressive electrons are fun

[manic torrent]

....

[tardy terrace]

Yes...

[real schooner]

At work we call that Beta

[mild jacinth]

its what my hs did to power its access points

[tardy terrace]

This pleases me

[manic torrent]

USB C can do 80gb/s data transfer and 200W power.

[mild jacinth]

seemed obvious but

[manic torrent]

yes. I understand what PoE is, and it has existed for many many many years. I use it for my camseras.

[tardy terrace]

On capable devices w/ an appropriately-rated & e-marked cable

[dreamy rose]

tha's literally what USB has been since 1996

[tardy terrace]

omg im a usb baby

[real schooner]

doesn't power much except rapid cell division/ death

[mild jacinth]

ye seemed obvious

my k100 uses 2 usb ports

[tardy terrace]

But if you ingest enough of the source material you'll never have to worry about caloric intake again!

[thorny axle]

Wouldn’t that be rogue gamma rays

[real schooner]

they be photons

[thorny axle]

They do be

[mild jacinth]

i also saw my hs multiple network closets hehe

[manic torrent]

One is passthrough, so it uses one.

[tardy terrace]

you're 20 and in high school? wat?

[mild jacinth]

no?

[manic torrent]

some people just .. need a few tries 😉

[mild jacinth]

this was years ago

[tardy terrace]

I did, but I wasn't allowed back in public school after 18, had to move to online

[mild jacinth]

this was in 10th grade when i took basic networking

[thorny axle]

You should’ve taken complex networking

[tardy terrace]

or basic computer courses..

[mild jacinth]

i graduated when i was 19 my bday was 12 days before

[dreamy rose]

my primary school had their servers right next to the bathrooms in their newest building.

[mild jacinth]

i did

[manic torrent]

I graduated when I was 17... but that was many many years ago

[tardy terrace]

how tf do you know about PoE but not about USB-C

[mild jacinth]

i have mental disorders

[manic torrent]

I have a USB C monitor... I just plug in one cable to my laptop, boom, extra monitor

[tardy terrace]

Fair enough, I get that

[dreamy rose]

🤓 started school a year early

[mild jacinth]

my memory is spontaneous

[thorny axle]

You like to use lots of dots in your messages

[tardy terrace]

thats adhd for you :^)

[mild jacinth]

random

[manic torrent]

elipses and yes, I do. It's because I'm old.

[mild jacinth]

and have autism so a learning disorder is not fun

[tardy terrace]

It's to imply a delay between reading individual bits of the message.

Generally used as a mental tool to convey how one speaks through text.

[dreamy rose]

everyones uses dots in our messages. they make up the message.

[mild jacinth]

binary

[dreamy rose]

pixels

[vapid smelt]

....hi....

[mild jacinth]

assembly

hi

[thorny axle]

Not sure what that has to do with it

[tardy terrace]

ok you just read as an edgy emo RPer

[thorny axle]

We have standard punctuation for that

[tardy terrace]

"My mom cut my hotdogs the wrong direction again................"

[tardy terrace]

A delay between completed sentences? That's elipses.

[crude jasper]

or he was the cringe kid who skipped a grade 🤓

[dreamy rose]

"my fucking hotdog looks like a helicopter.......... great"

[real schooner]

-. --- - / - --- --- / --- .-.. -.. / . .-.. ... . / - .... . .-. . ... / -.. .- ... .... . ... / .- -. -.. / ... .-.. .- ... .... . ... / .. -. / .-- .. - .... / - .... . / -.. --- - ...

[past egret]

they cut my hotdog off

[tardy terrace]

If my mom made me a helicopter hot dog I'd be ecstatic as a child

[mild jacinth]

https://cdn.invaild.me/HQxZZB4b.png i better get back to this and im pretty sure the answer is a

[manic torrent]

ok, none of those are true at all.

[dreamy rose]

good thing SUS wasnt supported.

[tardy terrace]

Linux can read & use FAT.

[mild jacinth]

oh

[tardy terrace]

ACL? That's a standard on basically all file systems

[real schooner]

anterior cruciate ligaments?

[mild jacinth]

well im still reading so

acls to me are access control lists

[tardy terrace]

SMTP is a network file transfer protocol, IIRC it doesn't really give a tit what core FS you use

[manic torrent]

The most serious shortcoming of FAT was the limitation of sizes of filesystems, files, and the use of file names instead of inodes.

[real schooner]

Every industry fosters their own glossary of TLAs

Three Letter Acronyms

[dreamy rose]

the biggest mistake windows made was not allowing you to use the Linux filesystems to run Windows. would prob run faster than NTFS.

[manic torrent]

also when they say FAT I am certain they mean FAT32, but they don't specifically say it - original FAT is a different thing altogether, and FAT vs exfat is a whole different thing

[manic torrent]

I see you don't know shit about filesystems as well, good work.

[dreamy rose]

FAT 16 was cool

[manic torrent]

admittedly my issue with this is I know too much. The answer will be - whatever fucking bullshit your textbook/source material said.

[dreamy rose]

yeah it was a joke. because the OS is shit. not the file system.

[mild jacinth]

reading it rn

[mild jacinth]

https://cdn.invaild.me/3A0WFAfH.png oh

lol it is acls interesting

[echo canopy]

Totally not the lack of journaling or checksums

[manic torrent]

yes - but that's a dumb take by someone who is looking at it through a tiny lense

it was never MEANT for that.

[mild jacinth]

well the professer made it

[manic torrent]

when you compare it with modern stuff, sure, but I'm talking issues that were inherent back when it was used.

[echo canopy]

Ah

[manic torrent]

I will fight him.

[mild jacinth]

lol

also this due in 5 hours and 30 minutes

[manic torrent]

A shortcoming of something is only applicable if you're using it as intended. If you use something to do something it isn't made to do - it's not a shortcoming, it's on you.

[mild jacinth]

lol

fat sounds cool

i can switch os and it would still work

[hasty wyvern]

jayz2cents has broken up with ASUS

[dreamy rose]

FAT 32 is good for homebrewing consoles

[mild jacinth]

ye like rn i donn't need access control lists

i just need access to my files

[manic torrent]

you can do that with many filesystems.

[mild jacinth]

get 3060

why

[long briar]

max file size: 4gb

[dreamy rose]

6600

[echo canopy]

I’m actually curious what windows all supports now because it does not support btrfs/ZFS/bcachefs/ and maybe EXT4 stock

[mild jacinth]

i mean ye thats not very good but

[long briar]

if it's 30 bucks or less, then 290x if you're fine with a hot card

Speaking of hot cards... I got myself a Vega 64 today to play with

[manic torrent]

you can a) get drivers that will allow you to access them, b) use a VM, c) use a VM and network share... plus other ways.

[dreamy rose]

it doesnt support anything but old and Microsoft stuff

[long briar]

You can actually roast marshmallows off the exhaust

[echo canopy]

That’s why I said stock

You can install windows and run it off a btrfs drive with a modified boot loader

[long briar]

who runs windows stock?

[dreamy rose]

ReactOS

[long briar]

dead.

[echo canopy]

Cringe.

[mild jacinth]

im tired

[long briar]

oh wait nvm wrong one

[mild jacinth]

i haven't had sleep for a long time

[long briar]

I accidentally mixed up remixOS and reactOS

[echo canopy]

Just use wine lol

[long briar]

???

wine is gross.

[mild jacinth]

kali best os

[dreamy rose]

aint outta alpha

[echo canopy]

Wine is epic, what do you think proton uses?

[dreamy rose]

no its not. WINEs a good tool

[long briar]

Shit the joke didn't go through

[mild jacinth]

eniw

[long briar]

Wine is great, Wine tastes gross

[mild jacinth]

why do u have dead gpu

[echo canopy]

Please please please get a new pc

[dreamy rose]

because he likes dead GPUS

[long briar]

why?

4790 is like, almost as fast as a 6700

which is almost as fast as a 7700

[echo canopy]

Even if it ran it would use several times more power for the same work as modern one.

[dreamy rose]

Not true

[long briar]

it would also cost a shitton

[mild jacinth]

then use intergrated graphics

[long briar]

pcs are an actual investment yk

[dreamy rose]

fool

yes

[mild jacinth]

no a i9 13900k

[dreamy rose]

better than none

[mild jacinth]

30fps better then 0

[long briar]

better than 7700k is not a high bar chief

[dreamy rose]

then why use the PC?

[rugged bridge]

cloudflare .win domain like $3 cheap as

[echo canopy]

Why get a pc 200 usd cheaper when you will pay 300 extra in power over its life

It’s the same reason old xeons are a stupid purchasing decision

[long briar]

???

you're not getting a new pc for 100usd

[dreamy rose]

what?

[echo canopy]

What?

[long briar]

I'm so confused what you're saying rn

[dreamy rose]

you could fine some cheepo nasty ass SBC i guess

[long briar]

Why get a pc... 200usd cheaper when you will pay 300 extra in power...?

[dreamy rose]

you mean iGPU?

[echo canopy]

Why get something cheaper or use something cheaper up front when you will spend more in its power bill over its life. That’s my point

[long briar]

it's not cheaper upfront

[echo canopy]

Older hardware is?

[long briar]

it's more expensive upfront. And if power consumption is a worry then just stick to the laptop

[manic torrent]

Why not stab yourself in the eye

[long briar]

Oh wait nvm that makes more sense

[dreamy rose]

well theres no reason to go mad over it.

[long briar]

I mean that's like argument for solar panels

yes you'll save money but that's over the course of like, 10 years

[echo canopy]

It’s more expensive up front but cheaper in the long run

[long briar]

where someone will come along and say your pc is old, x is more efficient go upgrade

[dreamy rose]

i'd like free power for my PCs

[long briar]

the long run is literally a decade or more

you're not saving 1k a year

you're not saving 1k in 5 years

[echo canopy]

In the case of solar, yeah. But PC hardware depending on how much you use it it can pay itself off in a year

Power is EXPENSIVE in the long run

[long briar]

paying itself off in terms of power efficiency isn't a thing for computers

UNLESS you get a mobile chip

[echo canopy]

Compared to older hardware yes

[long briar]

4790 draws like, 70w max load

[echo canopy]

No? You can just power limit modern CPUs like you already should.

[long briar]

why would you power limit a CPU...

why would you buy fast hardware to handicap it

just get a miniPC at that point, minisforum got some nice ones

[stray apex]

you can in fact use a pc for things other than gaming

[vapid smelt]

dont kink shame

[echo canopy]

Because a zen4 cpu will give you 90% of the performance at half the power draw. If you want more performance it makes more economical sense to get a higher grade cpu

if your task scales in threads

[long briar]

performance scales with power within a generation

[echo canopy]

With very diminishing returns

[long briar]

then just buy a CPU that's not overkill for what you're using?

[echo canopy]

Think of it on a per core power draw

[mild jacinth]

got a new 4070ti so needed a 850w power supply

[long briar]

a 7950x is gonna draw more power than a 7600x if speeds are the same

[tepid bolt]

It would take almost a decade for a 4070ti which is only $200 more than a 6950xt to pay for itself in efficiency

[long briar]

that's what I'm saying, New hardware isn't gonna pay itself off in a few years, it's gonna take close to a decade

[stray apex]

are you taking into account the additional HVAC cost

[echo canopy]

In GHz sure but compute wise? It will draw less power for the same effective compute as each core can run far more efficiently

[long briar]

at which point it'll just go full circle where you're shaming someone for old pc

[vapid smelt]

why 850

[long briar]

every core has the same efficiency.

[mild jacinth]

because i wanted a certain power supply

[full fossil]

Keep noise down
I have mine undervolted and limited to stock boost tbh

[stray apex]

lovelace is super efficient
probably because they really needed the 4090 to not be a 600w gpu

[mild jacinth]

and it was 850 or a 1000w

[long briar]

that's not the argument here

[stray apex]

to be fair that'll improve efficiency

[long briar]

the argument is literally about limiting a modern CPU so that it'll pay itself off through power savings

[long briar]

not necessarily\

it could worsen it even

[mild jacinth]

if you wanna savemoney by not using as much power get a thing called a laptop

[tepid bolt]

They paid extra for TSMC 4nm

[long briar]

Most PSUs are most efficient at about 50% load, and during gaming your entire system is likely not drawing more than 500...

especially with ada cards

[echo canopy]

Listen.
With zen4, the more power you give it the faster it can compute right? However you get less and less performance per watt the more power you give it.
A 7950x can run all its cores much slower then a 7700x to match its performance. The slower you run it the near exponentially less power required.

[stray apex]

and 750/2 = 375

whereas 850/2=425

[full fossil]

This is an incredibly gross oversimplification dependent entirely on an app to app basis

[tepid bolt]

No because 150w is nothing to compared to household appliances like refrigerators, microwaves, laundry machines and dishwashers.

[long briar]

ye, so accounting for most people aren't gaming 24/7...

[stray apex]

this is a pretty normal efficiency graph

so under gaming loads, having more psu capacity is generally better

[long briar]

wow! peak efficiency at 300w

[echo canopy]

That’s why I said if your application scales in threads. Similar logic can be applied to other situations as well, especially new hardware compared to old

[stray apex]

yes, peak efficiency is usually closer to 0 than 100

so having a higher wattage psu is likely to improve your efficiency somewhat

[tepid bolt]

Sure but it costs more

[long briar]

it's 0w not 0% though.

and you literally can't beat the price of an rm750e

[stray apex]

it can
it doesn't always, psu prices are weird

[tepid bolt]

At that point just get a cheaper unit or one with a better efficiency rating

[stray apex]

0w and 0% are the same

[long briar]

You get what I meant, and RM750e being cheaper than most 850w PSUs, even if it was more efficient, it's marginal. It's not paying itself off with power savings

[echo canopy]

It would be interesting to see a plot of input power for a given output power.

[stray apex]

sure?
there is still technically a reason to get a higher wattage psu, though

[long briar]

THAT SAID if you had an 850w PSU that happened to be a similar price (Revolution DF at one point), then by all means go for it

[stray apex]

especially once you take into account aging components and such

[long briar]

meh aging components is such a far away issue I wouldn't worry abt it