public-chat

[graceful burrow]

Didn't have that as a kid
Speed Punks is obscenely ps1

Absolutely smothered in the zeitgeist

[hazy parrot]

No more than twisted metal was

[graceful burrow]

What an era to grow up in 😩

[wind pulsar]

Found it

[hazy parrot]

Take us back

[wind pulsar]

It's a PS2 game called Hugo Bukkazoom

[graceful burrow]

Sounds like it wasn't released in the usa kek

part of the famous Hugo series

[hazy parrot]

Uh. Let me rephrase, sounds like something a friend of mine would talk about being released in Japan with huuuge <lara Crofts>

[graceful burrow]

WEW

[hazy parrot]

WEW LAD

[graceful burrow]

@wind pulsar there's a windows version

[wind pulsar]

And a mobile one too

I loved that game for some reason, I obviously played it way later than it's initial release

[hazy parrot]

I loved playing demo discs 50 times

Its not weird to like weird old things

[manic torrent]

I didn't have a playstation but I loved the discussion of the development of crash bandicoot.

[graceful burrow]

Fucking same

[manic torrent]

It is, but you need to be ok with that.

[hazy parrot]

Future cop LAPD mission 1

[wind pulsar]

I played it when I was like 7 or 8, not sure

[hazy parrot]

Simpler times for a simpler mind

[manic torrent]

I remember reading about command and conquer and seeing screenshots in a physical PC format UK magazine.

[graceful burrow]

I had a ps2 demo disc that I had memories from but didn't know which one it was
I spent like
6-8 hours trying to find an iso of the demo disc
I needed to re-experience it
I found which one it was among the absolute sea of demo disc's released on the ps2, the iso wasn't fucking dumped

[hazy parrot]

Oh yeah back when games were actually in media

[manic torrent]

They weren't simpler times, we were just way more ignorant

[graceful burrow]

So I bought a disc off ebay and dumped it myself dammit

[hazy parrot]

Most demodiscs understandably low effort, boot in, pick your games on static menu, this one demodisc I grew up with I had was like part graphics showcase and has these 2 characters in a dark cyberpunk world and they ride up to a screen that you then pick your demos from.

Would be nice to find that, doubt I ever will. I’d pay like….$60 just to show it to my dad again

[graceful burrow]

Was it ps2 or ps1

[hazy parrot]

PS1

I doubt many people are as comprehensive about those isos

Lord knows we have backups on backups of each revision mideval had tho

[manic torrent]

I never had a playstation 1, and I had one game on the PS2. GTA: San Andreas .

[hazy parrot]

I noticed as I got older the PS2 was like wildfire, everyone I knew had at least 1. But before that it was more obscure. More like every had an SNES

then a PS2

[mossy crest]

seems discord are going to ruin everyone's usernames

[hazy parrot]

I think I know why. PS1 came out as a competition to the genesis

[manic torrent]

I bought my slim ps/2 at like 1am. I had bought a fullsize ps/2 second hand but it was shit so I went and bought a new one

[hazy parrot]

The fatties are worth the most now cause of homebrew ease of use

[manic torrent]

Ironically.... Similar thing with my PS3 and GTA 4 🙂

[hazy parrot]

Softmods and what not

[timid meadow]

Demo discs were the best. Tech God please bring back a random pack of a few levels from random games that are coming soon

[mossy crest]

running with a HDD, or even better, an SSD, is very very nice

[graceful burrow]

I would pay for demo disc's

[manic torrent]

Yeah I don't have the room for that, and I'm not that nostalgic. If I want to play old stuff I will emulate it

Haven't had a console since the ps3

[dreamy rose]

looks like SuperTuxKart

[hazy parrot]

Dang man, you know how to replace a CD rom and all that too? I’d think it takes a lil proficiency to keep one alive today

[dreamy rose]

not even Crash Team Racing?

[manic torrent]

Even back in the day you could use a hard drive with a fat ps2

[graceful burrow]

Didn't have it as a kid, like I said

[hazy parrot]

Best way to do it? Of course.

But there’s a certain charm to really hearing the sound of a crt turn on

[dreamy rose]

but you had to be aware of it right?

[graceful burrow]

No

[hazy parrot]

That I diddnt know. Mine just went thru too many discs it could open up for

[timid meadow]

We should all homebrew our wiis and run a Mario Kart Wii LTT event

[graceful burrow]

I lived in rural America word of mouth didn't exist for video games

[manic torrent]

Oh, don't disagree, I just don't want it enough to sacrifice the space. Once I worked out that space was literally my lowest resource.

[pliant leaf]

odd question, but does anybody else feel like redfall looks strangely symilar to back 4 blood in footage

[dreamy rose]

well you lived under a rock.

[graceful burrow]

Wow almost like I literally just said as such, again
Please read chat

[pliant leaf]

it's almost like they're asset flips, i genuinely want to know how much of these two games was taken from the unreal asset store

[hazy parrot]

Tragic. Half the kids at school played pokemon peaking at the foldable gameboy advance

[dreamy rose]

you require a physical copy to play custom tracks

[timid meadow]

Since when? Mkfun exists

[fallen cedar]

I promise you I own a phyiscal copy

[hazy parrot]

Nintendo DRM somehow knowing despite servers going down before 2017

[pliant leaf]

nintendo would bomb the LTT headquarters if we named it LTT

[hazy parrot]

They always know

[timid meadow]

I dont but i play custom tracks regularly. Is that for online? My wii isnt online brewed yet

[dreamy rose]

the OG games are good for what they were. but nothing beats B/W and B2/W2

[hazy parrot]

Damn. RIGHT.

Holy shit it peaked at perfection then died so hard

[manic torrent]

The best intro to any game ever made is MechWarrior 2. You can't change my mind.

[timid meadow]

Ofc, we would have to find an adjacent name. Kart32 or something generic

[pliant leaf]

pokemon peaked at heart gold/soul silver

[plush rivet]

X Y HELLO?

[pliant leaf]

never played those

[plush rivet]

Mega evolutions????

[pliant leaf]

did they have tamagochis? no they didn't

[plush rivet]

that was the absolute peak for me I loved mega evolutions

[hazy parrot]

Did you ever play black and white and just, notice how different the art style was

[pliant leaf]

i still have my pokeball tamagochi somewhere

[plush rivet]

All time favorite Pokémon game
And my first lol

[hazy parrot]

HGSS was an asset rip of Diamond Pearl

[pliant leaf]

my first one was the ruby red

[manic torrent]

The only Nintendo I used as a child was a gameboy

[mossy crest]

in a playstation you mean? i've done modchipping but i haven't actually swapped an optical drive in one yet

[pliant leaf]

which are, coincidentally, the second best pokemon games

[plush rivet]

DSI was my first

than I got a wii

[mossy crest]

once you have the softmod stuff set up, you don't really need the optical drive to work, unless you have very specific game requirements

[pliant leaf]

i won't hear no "platinum was better" cope

[hazy parrot]

LOL

[mossy crest]

HDD compatibility gets better and better, slowly

[hazy parrot]

YOU KNEW WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY, before i said it.

[dreamy rose]

Castelia city, Low HP. Everything slaps in this gen

[hazy parrot]

💀💀

[mossy crest]

go on then, what's wrong with platinum

[pliant leaf]

nothing, it's just not better than diamond/pearl

[dreamy rose]

it is just plain inferior

[pliant leaf]

it's not inferior, it's the same

[dreamy rose]

none has matched Gen 5

[plush rivet]

ehhhh

I stopped paying attention to Pokemon when sun and moon came out

[hazy parrot]

BW2 had the most deep story that series ever had and it was just an otherwise cliche “deep guy” who let it be that way

The art and design the highest effort it’s ever been

[plush rivet]

I found z moves so boring

[dreamy rose]

never played when i was young, but i played Black and Black 2 recently and my god. i was missing out.

[plush rivet]

it was so fun
The story is fantastic

[mossy crest]

the one thing i disliked about platinum is they dropped the elite four levels slightly

[hazy parrot]

You kinda look at new pokemons after black and white and feel kinda gross at how, devolved it went. Had the potential to be more than just chibi and cute

[hazy parrot]

Okay but the Cynthia fight after that you were never prepared for

Lvl 80 garchomp

[plush rivet]

Gar fucking comp

[mossy crest]

get rekt lolllll

[plush rivet]

do NOT remind me of that fight

[hazy parrot]

Fuckin got annihilated

[graceful burrow]

I have something to say about new Pokémon but cannot say it here

So I simply will not

[plush rivet]

If he got 1 swords dance off I reset

[mossy crest]

no nsfw posting 🙃

[graceful burrow]

But man I'm so right about it

[mossy crest]

why is the microphone RGB, is nothing sacred

[manic torrent]

I will see if I can get the VU meter lights working tonight

[hazy parrot]

I still tried to get off a move, just to eat the death anyway

[manic torrent]

everything is RGB.

[hazy parrot]

I don’t remember what actually won.

[mossy crest]

after i spend another thousand dollars on big chungus hard disks i might have to use my overflow SSD in a USB enclosure because my motherboard is a little bit limited in terms of ports

[woeful saddle]

How much do yall weigh

[plush rivet]

I made a build that was dedicated to out speeding him before he earthquake wiped
I didn’t win.

[fallen cedar]

with or without fluids

[manic torrent]

A lot.

[fallen cedar]

race trim?

[manic torrent]

I'm a big fat guy with an oversized torso

[woeful saddle]

prob with

[waxen mantle]

wtf

[hazy parrot]

Nah, you could brute force it lucky crits eventually

Or just F off and grind

[plush rivet]

Relying on Pokémon rng is like playing Russian roulette

[waxen mantle]

fuckin hell

[woeful saddle]

Answer the question sean

[manic torrent]

Without fluids most people would weigh much at all 🙂

[woeful saddle]

No way 🤯

[fallen cedar]

the right amount to be expected to be fit enough to run for a couple of kms when I cant

[waxen mantle]

Mindblowing.

[dreamy rose]

did you ever name your first starter? and if so what was it and what did you name it? mine is now a Samurott named THE FUZZ.

[woeful saddle]

epic

ok im out see you in a month when i have a problem

[hazy parrot]

I did once and a cute name did not look good on an infernape

Never again. That’s regrets

[plush rivet]

Pretty sure I did tepig and named it flamethrower

it’s been years sense I’ve played.

[hazy parrot]

Ofc it’s been years. New pokemon died after BW. Took it too safe where it mattered

[manic torrent]

I never played pokemon

[hazy parrot]

Could’ve kept it a pixel art game and ramped it up to a huge degree

[forest valve]

I wonder if YouTube recognizes AI covers as copyright automatically?

[timid meadow]

Pokemon Platinum was peak pokemon. Pokewalker and all

[hazy parrot]

Now it just feels like dumped out of a low wage factory

[plush rivet]

Honestly now
I don’t blame you

[forest valve]

Also have a duck

[plush rivet]

Sun and moon was the final game I even looked at the trailer for and seemed intrested
It died there for me

[hazy parrot]

I diddnt have a 3ds but I did end up emulating them years later. And.

Well it wasn’t BW

[dreamy rose]

lmao. THE FUZZ was weird on an Oshawott but hell does it fit his final form.

[fallen cedar]

[hazy parrot]

If you want a mature pokemon game tho yall should see shin megani tensei 5

[plush rivet]

holy shit does anyone remember tem tem lol

I remember when that game was supposed to replace Pokémon lol

[hazy parrot]

Yeah, 3DS pokemon games with the worst designs I ever seen

[plush rivet]

Lol

[hazy parrot]

Except not Nintendo and greedy af devs

Tem tem was one of the earliest instances of that wave of….huge promises big disappointments

[dreamy rose]

i wonder how that went

[hazy parrot]

It wasn’t long before a $40 game had free mobile game mechanics in it

[dreamy rose]

tbh the worst offender of the 3DS line has to be Littens final evolution. you had a perfectly cromulent cat line but then they decided that Macho man was the next step.

[hazy parrot]

That’s not what someone who picks a cat starter bargains for. It doesn’t help at all that, the models themselves suck

And still do today. Going 3D was the worst mistake they’ve done

But sadly not for their wallets

[dreamy rose]

you get a cute cat. a cool big cat, then Dr Robotnik's fursona.

[hazy parrot]

Despite playing the 3DS games relatively recently.

I don’t even remember what they evolved into

Like if you say the names sure, but I forgot the damn starters

You notice how battles in 3D did not do well with the 2D games approach

[astral herald]

witch laptop would you recomend https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0BW69ZCMQ/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&psc=1 or https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0BNN77ZGH/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&psc=1

[dreamy rose]

Sun and moon has the Owl, the Seal and the Cat. the cat is cool until incineroar, and the others well one looks like a clown and the other is an Owl

[hazy parrot]

I paid the same price as that first one for a 1060 when those were new. Value lines up

[dreamy rose]

Neither

[hazy parrot]

Lasted me years

[dreamy rose]

go look for something with a Ryzen CPU and ask again

[hazy parrot]

Ain’t got nothing on snivy oshawott and tepig

[dreamy rose]

the only one out of the Gen 5 starters i dont care about is Tepig tbh

[hazy parrot]

I think I knew, sun and moon was over, when I felt disappointed when you see tapu lele or, however many of those pseudo legends are

[astral herald]

why an amd cpu

[dreamy rose]

they are better over all on Mobile,

[hazy parrot]

Snyv is superior(lol)

[astral herald]

and wich gpu

[dreamy rose]

you mean Serperior?

[hazy parrot]

ZING

[manic torrent]

Hmmm. I should buy a new laptop. Maybe something with a 4080 mobile.

[hazy parrot]

Are you tryna bring a locally hosted chat gpt with you to work or something Bob? Jesus

[astral herald]

my budget is round about 1000€ im from germany

[dreamy rose]

you dont wanna waste your money on a 4000 Series gpu either, the A16 is a perfect all around gaming laptop if you can buy it. its the same as a 3070 laptop but cheaper and can last you 10hrs without gaming.

[manic torrent]

Oh I work from home 😄

[hazy parrot]

You get my point

When I was 17 gaming laptop was best choice I could’ve made, but once a guy settles down a little bit

Cmon man.

You’re not going to lan parties with the boys anymore

[manic torrent]

My current laptop is an XPS13 :p

[hazy parrot]

And that’s all a laptop needs to be, adequate for kitchen content viewing

[manic torrent]

Well no, I use it for work.

I use the 6600XT egpu at the desk though

[hazy parrot]

What kinda environment do you need to host?

[manic torrent]

.... We use teams.

[hazy parrot]

Oh nah he uses ms teams

[astral herald]

wich a16 (brand)

[hazy parrot]

I can refer you to a cloud computing provider

[dreamy rose]

ASUS TUF

[manic torrent]

I'm literally a certified aws solution architect 🙂

[hazy parrot]

Oh so you’re an everything environment

[graceful burrow]

NERD

[manic torrent]

Nah I'm not using it much ATM. Currently working for a technical asset management company

[hazy parrot]

How’s it feel working for a company that’s gonna fire you or make you wish you were before your stock options roll up

Oh. He’s former. Already battle scarred

[manic torrent]

Oh nah I never worked for aws themselves.

And idgaf about any company. I do my work, I get paid.

[astral herald]

what would you recommand better gpu or thunderbolt4

[hazy parrot]

It’s just, it’s not secret what they do to employees, even their quality ones.

[manic torrent]

Oh, yeah because they don't care.

[hazy parrot]

Mathematically calculated human exploitation model but hey the work experience gets you jobs elsewhere

[manic torrent]

I interviewed for Google some years ago now. Was fun.

[hazy parrot]

Google would’ve been fun.

[manic torrent]

Nah I didn't really want it in retrospect

Would have to have moved internationally

[hazy parrot]

Oh you actually wanted to work on a project that diddnt shelve itself

[forest valve]

Damn you're rich

$269k salary

[fallen cedar]

but is he rich in puntang

[hazy parrot]

He was talkin about casually dumping out for a 4080 spec laptop till I gave him shit for it

[manic torrent]

What the fuck? I sure as shit don't make that much

[hazy parrot]

But he’s got 4080 laptop money so

[manic torrent]

Like, don't get me wrong I'm not poor, but I'm not 250k+ by any stretch

[forest valve]

It's funny that a doctor salary is comparable to AWS solutions architect

Cybersecurity salary gets up there too

[hazy parrot]

You look at what it takes to be employed in that field. And it’s like

[forest valve]

I bet whoever Linus pays for it is not poor

[hazy parrot]

Paying for certification courses costs a lot let alone the cost of time doing it

All the real jobs asking for time on the job

[manic torrent]

Lol, courses

I just did the exam, was like $220?

[hazy parrot]

Cisco networking academy scammed me

And my CCNA expired. And I don’t work in that field at all. It was like all that was just as a hobby

Meanwhile everything else outside of tech, company’s pay you while you’re training

[manic torrent]

I look down at network people 😉 ... And at server people that don't get networking... And at most people tbh, I'm a bit of an asshole.

[hazy parrot]

I don’t blame you, I spent most of it doing packet tracer labs and 90% of info is already public domain

Safe to say that’s why the potential employer asks for time on the job. Were severely under qualified

[swift saddle]

Anyone ordered from LTT store to the UK before? How does taxes/shipping work? 🙂

[manic torrent]

I am very overqualified for my current role, but you know how it is, you have a little menty b, and you need to chill out a bit.

[manic torrent]

Slowly and expensively!

[hazy parrot]

I’m making more money in fabrication than the positions an entry CCNA would get

[graceful burrow]

(Bob lives in aus)

[swift saddle]

sounds like a fun time, me and a couple friends are thinking of clubbing in and getting a LTT screwdriver each, and maybe some other bits, but yea it sounds like pain. I searched discord and apparently EU gets double taxed, wonder if the UK does too

[full fossil]

You guys remind me why I'm always aiming for a CS degree.
Gaming industry and big bucks

[hazy parrot]

What kinda net speed do people on a big island get

[dreamy rose]

EGPU is an afterthought when you have a DGPU already. the 7600S is gonna serve you fine

[timid meadow]

I believe double tax gets fixed by an email to support but dont quote me im Murican

[swift saddle]

Afaik games dev industry doesn't pay super great?

[swift saddle]

yea think so too, from discord search history

[manic torrent]

How so? I imagine you would have to pay VAT on it, but other than that?

[full fossil]

I meant to say it's the gaming industry and outside that, if you ain't making mega bux you're still living good

[swift saddle]

#lttstore message all I know is this

[wind pulsar]

Show certificate or it didn't happen

[hazy parrot]

I was at a crossroads in highschool of what I wanted to do, took ap comp sci 1 and 2. I still do light scripting in my leisure too. But not enough for todays space. I’m glad you got your path

[swift saddle]

yea, can confirm, work as software engineer, live reasonably good

[manic torrent]

I never did it for big bucks though. I did it because I love it

[graceful burrow]

NERD

[wind pulsar]

YOU HAVE A BIG FOREHEAD

[graceful burrow]

That one's far

[swift saddle]

although to be clear, I am not on that $269k either 😂, not even half that.

[hazy parrot]

Man, even if you don’t have a career in software….still would be incredibly good in leisure.

[heavy swan]

Is last of us part 1 good?

[wind pulsar]

I love some people that complain when they only get paid $100k to $150k a year, as if that's nothing

[timid meadow]

Thats what they said. It is far, far between his eyes and hairline

[heavy swan]

received it with my amd gpu and wanted to know what to expect before playing (not about the story, bugs and stuff)

[graceful burrow]

Barely runs on cards with below 12gb of ram from what I hear

[hazy parrot]

People like you who upload cool repos on github I binge all day

[swift saddle]

I'm just outside that bracket, but I hope to be in it before too long. 🙂

[wind pulsar]

Like, oh no, it's so bad to be paid to a degree that you could be a millionaire within 10 years, oh nyo, so bad

[heavy swan]

would it run ok on a 12gb one? i got a 6700xt 12gb

Not expecting 4K or even 1440p

[hazy parrot]

You mean the 3060? Why did they put that much vram in there. I got a 3070 before all this AI stuff happened now I’m trying to host these most crunched language models in 8GB

[swift saddle]

tbh that's not super true. People fresh out of college/uni don't get that kind of salary, those higher salaries are generally for people with a lot of experience and senior positions in big companies. You'll come out of your degree and spend 5+ years before you even start earning that salary, then you'll have a big stack of student debt to pay down 😉

[hazy parrot]

There’s insane risk doing this

[graceful burrow]

I use cpu inference for llm's
8gb does not cut it

[hazy parrot]

You pay money for a job you don’t even know you’ll get

Investing time into not making money and uncertainty

[wind pulsar]

I clearly generalized it

Why are you assuming that I said that in regards to college graduates

[swift saddle]

tbh, atm there's such a shortage they'll take anyone. You don't necessarily have to be great at it 😂

[hazy parrot]

There’s super cut back quantized models that fit in 4GB

Theyre not very high output but verbally proficient enough to still be amazing

[graceful burrow]

Local llm's are a bit off imo

[wind pulsar]

Sick

[unkempt widget]

what's aws

[timid meadow]

You recerting in oct or dont care to?

[wise goblet]

you'd be surprised at how little of that you actually retain in most of the modern world

total tax burden for people within that bracket in some places nears/surpasses 50%

[wind pulsar]

You're telling that to the wrong person lmao

[manic torrent]

Depends, but probably.

[neon mesa]

yeahh needing to fit the dataset to consumer GPUs gives tradeoffs

[wise goblet]

I'm pretty sure you were the one who made the comment about being a millionaire in 10 years on a 100k salary

[wind pulsar]

Amazon Web Services, that certificate effectively tells someone that you have a big brain

[neon mesa]

llama has like 7b parameters while GPT3.5 has literally 175 billion parameters

[wise goblet]

am I replying to the wrong person

[graceful burrow]

Ye

Thanks nvidia

[wind pulsar]

Yes, I said that in regards to me also being in said 45% tax bracket

[neon mesa]

right now using ChatGPT API is more worthwhile

[hazy parrot]

Because as irritating as bragging about wealth can be. People work hard to get where they are. I realize that a standard sets an expectation. And not let it bother me. That money was still earned with hard work and I respect that

[neon mesa]

i mean it isn't nvidia's fault, you need multiple hundred GBs of VRAM

[graceful burrow]

Sure but it doesn't fuckin help

[wise goblet]

there you go then I'm sure you're familiar with the cut

[neon mesa]

even if nvidia gives the same amount of VRAM as AMD that doesn't really help

[wise goblet]

although admittedly I am not good at saving money

[graceful burrow]

It does for other ai tasks

[wind pulsar]

That doesn't answer my question, but sure

[graceful burrow]

8gb is nothing

[hazy parrot]

Even the 7 billion parameter models in the GPU I play league on is still quite understanding an verbose

Yeah I’m stuck with chatbots. Not having it scrape the internet for me and write search algorithms that beat putting Reddit on your initial query

[wind pulsar]

Just solder 24GB of VRAM on yourself, du-uh

[wise goblet]

bro fixed the 4070

[hazy parrot]

But it’s still really cool that like what, there’s 4 large models out there for us to use which have hundreds of derivation right now

[wind pulsar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5mHQ3z6j2g It's clearly possible to some extend

[hazy parrot]

It’s like Linux distros but for chat bots

[wise goblet]

that's what I'm saying tho

[ashen zodiac]

does anyone here use curl/php?

long shot but eh

[hazy parrot]

3070 user here brother. Why did the 3060 shaft us in vram

[manic torrent]

This isn't true at all. I mean, not that I haven't worked hard, but it's more that my skills are relatively uncommon. I am also very lucky in my circumstances

[wise goblet]

nvidia has your best interest at heart don't worry just buy their latest product for optimal interest at heartness

[hazy parrot]

Honestly I don’t even know what goes behind working databases is. I never even touched SQL and I took comp sci

[wind pulsar]

I just think that there's just some stuff that's incredibly underpaid and some stuff incredibly overpaid

[hazy parrot]

I don’t know what it takes

[full fossil]

Yaj this point I'm just getting 7900xtx

[dreamy rose]

sure as fuck is, tech gets faster. use cases demand more. their shitty choice of limiting VRAM is making people angry

[manic torrent]

Yep. Although ironically I am at a very high income for one person, our household is actually far far less, and we pay way more tax.

[wind pulsar]

Often the police, nurses, paramedics, firefighters etc are all jobs that matter and deserve to be paid at the very least 10k a year more than they do on average, it's quite irritating to me

[hazy parrot]

Well now it is. Thanks to Facebook just dropping their model “on accident” to the world

[neon mesa]

nvidia isn't good for limiting VRAM but this is just using nvidia as scapegoat right now
don't forget that nvidia is why LLMs are possible in the first place

[graceful burrow]

I outright refuse to consider any card with less than 12gb
Id be shooting myself in the foot
I'm not one to believe in future proofing but fuck me man I can at least not gimp myself

[manic torrent]

I was a volunteer firefighter for a while , I got paid nothing!

[graceful burrow]

Nvidia shill in chat rn

Man i was right you really did used to be more fun to talk to

[hazy parrot]

I’ll admit I knew the 3060 had 12 gigs in it but I got the 3070 thinking I was still a gamer. Oops

[wind pulsar]

Who gives a fuck what they did back then, if Nvidia didn't do it, somebody else would've

[neon mesa]

who? AMD

[hazy parrot]

As if compute power exists in any relevant form outside of two maybe 3 major providers

Chinas tryna cook up microchips but they suck ass

[wind pulsar]

They're pulling their bullshit right now, using the far past is dumb as fuck

[graceful burrow]

I should make shill emoji for different companies lol

[neon mesa]

i really doubt AMD would invent anything
all AMD been doing in the GPU space is copying whatever nvidia did

[wind pulsar]

Nobody said anything about AMD

[graceful burrow]

Yeah
Huge shill

To the point of it nearly being shitposting

[neon mesa]

then really no one else will

[hazy parrot]

Ah I see

[wind pulsar]

I'm saying that if Nvidia didn't make LLM somewhat possible, somebody else would've

[wise goblet]

I didn't know Nvidia still had unpaid support in general these days

[neon mesa]

LLMs are only possible from powerful hardware

[wind pulsar]

Because that's just how shit goes, Nvidia is not some cringy saint

[hazy parrot]

Nobody could’ve forseen that demand

[neon mesa]

soo if not AMD or nvidia no one will then

[stray apex]

would we have advanced to this point already, though?

[hazy parrot]

Dude LMs came out like a fuckin cannonball into this market.

[wind pulsar]

Who knows, I don't like to speculate too much

[wise goblet]

I thought all the Nvidia shills online were on payroll by now after the 4080 4070ti launch

[hazy parrot]

payday loans

[wise goblet]

Nvidia gets more fans than ever on Thursdays

[neon mesa]

blaming nvidia for LLM still not good enough on consumer machine is just dumb when they're on the front of LLM development

[wise goblet]

coincidence?? I don't think so

bro missing the point on purpose

[graceful burrow]

Thursday is nvidia, Friday is amd, Saturday is Intel

[stray apex]

wasn't the common belief that modern machine learning training methods were too primitive to produce something as usable as modern LLMs?

[graceful burrow]

All Fiona seems to do tbh
They used to be fun to talk to :(

[hazy parrot]

Eh, theyve just been on the front of big data

[stray apex]

literally only months ago people would say that GPT could not replace humans

[hazy parrot]

Yup

[wise goblet]

you either die a helpful member or live long enough to see yourself become a troll

[fallen cedar]

one can do both

[hazy parrot]

Demand for good chips exploding the market and you really can’t condem them when they were JUST criticized for putting gamers wayside in favor of calculating big data

[stray apex]

to say that we would have achieved this level of LLM at this time without nvidia's heavy investment into building chips and supporting academia is probably wrong

[hazy parrot]

Like damned if you do damned if you don’t at nvidia rn

[wind pulsar]

Einstein thought the weaponization of nuclear fissure in his lifetime impossible, it happened literally a few years after he expressed his doubts on that

[stray apex]

so?

would the weaponization of nuclear fusion occured without heavy american investment?

[wind pulsar]

The point is, speculation is dumb

[wind pulsar]

100%

[stray apex]

in 1945?

the world would be quite different if the US had starved the japanese empire to death

instead of a combination of nuclear weapons and soviet advances forcing a surrender

[wise goblet]

I think people are criticizing Nvidia for releasing a 12GB card for the price of a 6950XT

nothing to do with their AI holy deeds

[stray apex]

sure?
and I think people who argue that developers will simply ignore the vast majority of the PC market are delusional

[hazy parrot]

If this trajectory does not even halt? AI is gonna be the biggest revolution since internet search.

And I’m out here paying a premium for slightly faster but 4 gigs less Chip

[wind pulsar]

Would it have happened at a similar date? No, probably not But it's also irrelevant it would've happened, the point is that it would've happened

[hazy parrot]

Man. Why did I doubt GPT

[wind pulsar]

If America didn't do it, somebody else would've. It is how it is

[stray apex]

sure, but to argue that nvidia has not significantly influenced the progress of AI is obviously wrong

[hazy parrot]

You have no idea how hard it is make microchips. China tries to steal schematics on everything in this industry and they still can’t make chips better than the ones from 2012

[wind pulsar]

I never said that

I said that if Nvidia wouldn't've done it, somebody else would've

[stray apex]

eventually, maybe

[hazy parrot]

Not in our lifetimes

[stray apex]

the thought at the time in academia, iirc, was that the brute force neural networks we used were simply too primitive to be useful

it turns out if you use more power it's close enough

[hazy parrot]

LOL HOW DID THAT 180

[wind pulsar]

Who are you even talking to

[hazy parrot]

I think it’s because it just came too fast

[hazy parrot]

Not you, you’re kinda fixated on one point about a much cooler topic

[stray apex]

yeah, we went from "ai is like nuclear fusion" to "ai is now"

[manic torrent]

ehhhhh, it isn't really quite AI yet. And it remains to be seen if that's close or a long way off 🙂

[hazy parrot]

I think everyone got over the paranoia of AI astonishingly quick

[stray apex]

it doesn't really matter if it's truly sapient or sentient

[hazy parrot]

OpenAI lets anyone talk to their chatbot and suddenly everyone wants it

[stray apex]

as long as it's a close enough approximation, very few people will care

[median idol]

Pop culture trends do be that way

[fallen cedar]

havent I heard that before

[manic torrent]

I'm more meaning it may asymptotically improve - which honestly is fine and would still make a lot of difference, or there may be more emergent behaviour and shit will get WILD

[hazy parrot]

They call me the two pump chump, not a bad nickname

[manic torrent]

I can generally predict what is possible with the first case - the second case I can't.

[stray apex]

well, it's not like we know how brains work anyways

[round trellis]

can someone help me on #peripherals pls?

[hazy parrot]

The current implication debates are already happening.

[manic torrent]

the primary problem isn't AI, it's capitalism.

[hazy parrot]

But besides those arguments, I don’t see it being any more bad than our recent overall tech boom

[dreamy rose]

soon we might be able to upload rat brains.

[stray apex]

what's the point?

[hazy parrot]

The open source community is already strong

[wise goblet]

god damn capitalists and their paid labor

[hazy parrot]

In fact I think it’s exponentially stronger than anything openAI has taken out of their little experiment

[dreamy rose]

figuring out how their brain works. and getting the tech into a person so we can figure ourselves out

[stray apex]

I'm pretty sure we're still a ways off from fully simulating a rat's brain

[hazy parrot]

Facebook literally threw OpenAI for a major chunk dumping out llama the way they did in terms of being a corpo giant @manic torrent I think it will be ok

[wise goblet]

it's kind of cool to think I'll get to see the next step in human evolution or the end of humanity altogether in my lifetime with no inbetween apparently

[graceful burrow]

TRUE

[dreamy rose]

course. its hard putting a USB C port in a rats head.

[median idol]

At this point I fully embrace that fact

[hazy parrot]

I lean the former the more I have used these

[wise goblet]

I for one welcome my AI Overlords, can't be worse than Trudeau

[manic torrent]

that's not what I'm talking about - I'm talking about all the people who won't "have jobs" as if that's something bad for the overall economy. It's currently horrifying for the wellbeing of everyone, but that's what needs to be fixed.

[median idol]

I feel bad for you Canadians. My boy Mutahar is now thinking of leaving the country because of the bill that passed recently

[hazy parrot]

We adapt, we always have

An economy still grows(relatively) with an growing population too

At least in western society

[graceful burrow]

Can you give me the gist on that I've heard about it but haven't been in a position to watch a video on it

[manic torrent]

by 'we', you mean the powerful and employed. It's quite likely to be terrible for a LOT of people.

[hazy parrot]

Yea, but nobody’s dying of starvation like before world war 2, why is that

[manic torrent]

13% of the american population lives in poverty.

[timid meadow]

Think Mutahar did one

[wise goblet]

I think the biggest issue with AI replacing a bunch of jobs is just how many people will be replaced and how quickly, the actual replacement of human jobs by machines isn't the end of the world

[hazy parrot]

Have you seen how good people socialize to solve problems

[stray apex]

The difference with AI is that it automates a lot of things that previously were impractical otherwise

[hazy parrot]

Are you just gonna ignore that poverty used to mean starving to death

[manic torrent]

the replacement is GOOD. the fact that they won't get any part of the improved effeciency is bad.

[graceful burrow]

I haven't been in a position to watch a video on it

[stray apex]

While previously improvements in automation did create new opportunities
There's only so many people to need to make AI

[manic torrent]

... people in poverty may not be starving literally to death, but they are absolutely not getting their dietary needs met, nor their healthcare needs, and many are having to choose between essentials like heating, food, etc.

[wise goblet]

people have a misconception that quality of life is an inherent God given right rather than a reflection of thousands of thousands of years of civilization development. People my age who grew up in first world nations have no idea how the rest of the world lives

[hazy parrot]

We are social animals. And we see what happens in desperate times. We socialize. I’m gonna leave it at that. And keep working on my local LM api desktop interface

[hazy parrot]

Yup

[stray apex]

I mean, yes, healthcare is considered a human right

[manic torrent]

Most people are mostly good, sure, I'm not opposed to you on that, but ... history indicates that won't help you 🙂

[manic torrent]

when you say "quality of life" you mean like... housing. and food. etc. which literally are human rights.

[stray apex]

Generally, we consider things like food, shelter, not dying of preventable disease, etc
To be fairly important human rights

[hazy parrot]

I take no stance on this, in fact, there may be emerging fields for someone who got real familiar with AI early might be able to take

[wise goblet]

like nowadays in many countries access to potable water is a right, do y'all ever stop to think about how crazy that is? we have managed to turn the world's most precious resource into something we can ASSURE everyone that they can get. It's amazing. But it's not nature

[stray apex]

Not nearly as many as AI can replace
The difference between AI and washing machines is that AI can theoretically do anything we can

[manic torrent]

The richest man in the the world pissed away tens of billions of dollars because people called him names on the internet.

[graceful burrow]

It's not nature
It's also not enough.

[median escarp]

eggs

[hazy parrot]

You talking about musk putting a car in space?

[manic torrent]

no, I'm talking about him buying twitter, I thought that was pretty obvious

[wise goblet]

nothing will ever be "enough" because we can't settle as a species, we're always gonna keep thriving to increase general quality of life

[stray apex]

Yes
Which is why
It's bad
That a lot of people don't have healthcare

[hazy parrot]

Ngl the info that came out of that was a really big deal people don’t care about

[median escarp]

until we become like humans in wall -e

[stray apex]

And why AI presents the problem of what to do when there's literally nothing you need humans for

Will governments require companies to have a certain amount of human employees?

[wise goblet]

[median escarp]

if AI replaces humans as working labor

[graceful burrow]

I wanna see the star trek utopia like future
If we somehow don't tear ourselves apart

[median escarp]

how will businesses like coke get money

[stray apex]

What do you do when with sufficient application of GPUs and robotics you can replace 99% of humans in your economy?

[hazy parrot]

I have faith in humanity. We’ll socialize. I don’t doubt that we will continue to automate just like we always have. Sure as hell beats what %40 of a population did not even a few centuries did to survive, be farmers

[wise goblet]

no clue bro this is uncharted territory for everyone. maybe quality of life will generally increase, maybe we're all gonna die

[hazy parrot]

Yup. Bias that humans are only as good for what the internet enables us to do

[median idol]

It blows my mind on how he can make an already wasteland of a site even worse than the previous regime..... It boggles my mind

[median escarp]

soon enough it will become another facebook

[median idol]

Yeah pretty much

[wise goblet]

AI esports

[dreamy rose]

isnt the "Everything App" idea akin to the Metaverse bullshit Facebook is trying to pull off but never will

[stray apex]

He wants it to be like WeChat, which is a Chinese sort of everything app

[median escarp]

facebook got worse after the "community standards|"thing

[hazy parrot]

Besides, say hypothetically the actual well being of impoverished gets worse due to AI automation. You think people just lay back and starve to death? Nah. People get fed up. And stand up. It’s not pretty when it happens, but it’s the worst case scenario. Best case? Even our most poor continue to follow an upward trend of well being

[stray apex]

It is, afaik, not actually good at everything
But it does have a lot of functions

[hazy parrot]

Facebook “accidentally” gave us Llama bro

[wise goblet]

I remember when I liked a Chinese girl and downloaded wechat

[hazy parrot]

First good PR in years

[wise goblet]

Facebook banned their platform to death

[median idol]

Oh God that's even worse

[median escarp]

yes

[hazy parrot]

They gave us an uncensored chatbot

[stray apex]

Yeah, I'm not sure something like that is even possible without state backing

[median escarp]

i still use facebook for local memes but it still is bland

[dreamy rose]

they got bad when they tried making something that will never exist

[median escarp]

twitter is a testament why you dont limit people from free speech

[hazy parrot]

Facebook is dead. I can’t believe people still chase the Instagram clout game too.

But meta. Just gave the world an massively scalable high dataset LLM the open source community is going nuts with.

Which is crazy. That’s the opposite of what you’d think they do

[stray apex]

Because they'll post hate speech and illegal shit and ruin your income?

[median escarp]

yes

if you limit them you have a twitter

[manic torrent]

what? what the fuck?

[median idol]

It's funny how Elon sees himself as this free speech warrior even though he's doing the same thing that the previous regime was doing. As the saying goes; Two sides of the same coin

[stray apex]

No, if you don't limit them you stop having a twitter

[manic torrent]

there are too many negatives in your sentence

[neon mesa]

hate speech is a slippery slope and pretty sure illegal stuff IS not allowed

[stray apex]

Elon musk loves reinventing the wheel

[fallen cedar]

maybe they add up to become a positive?

[median escarp]

auto correct

[fallen cedar]

idiot dumbass = good lad

[hazy parrot]

Idk about you guys but I like when people insult on the internet. You ever hear open comms in games? Ever been shit talked in league? It feels good lol

[dreamy rose]

they should just sell off Oculus to Valve and give up at this point. maybe sell off their studios they are making turn to waste

[neon mesa]

then every oculus quest release gonna take 7 years

[median escarp]

meant that twitter has a bad community and facebook would have been the same

[hazy parrot]

Meta, owns valve? As in. Meta owns steam.

[stray apex]

Imagine how dominant Facebook could be if Mark's obsession was AI and not VR

[hazy parrot]

He wasted so much time, money, man power

[dreamy rose]

no. Meta sell Oculus to valve.

[hazy parrot]

But he got this whole llama thing cooked up quick.

[dreamy rose]

and then their studios they bought out. they should sell em too.

[median escarp]

and laid off most of them

[hazy parrot]

Googles got llamda too in the oven, I hope they pull it off like Facebook did and just “WHOOPS”

Unleash it onto the world

[median escarp]

bing reigns supreme

[stray apex]

Google actually needs to sell their AI so

[median escarp]

so that they lose to bing

[neon mesa]

bingAI remains the best for what it's for, search assistant

[hazy parrot]

Lmfao I know it will be heavily integrated into their platforms, but hey, if they take a chromium approach with it, it won’t be bad

[stray apex]

I wish bingai were faster though

[dreamy rose]

they let it make pictures too. i tried it out

[stray apex]

I can usually get information from a normal search faster than bingai can come up with one

[median escarp]

why didnt microsoft make a google assistant like app using chat gpt

[neon mesa]

that just uses DALL-E

[median escarp]

you know what

[neon mesa]

as part of bing image creator

[hazy parrot]

As someone heavily involved in the OS AI community I do not wanna see your images

[median escarp]

the best search engine is askjeeves

[stray apex]

Google assistant is useful because it integrates with the OS and other apps, not because it's smart

[dreamy rose]

it works. okay. not great but okay.

[neon mesa]

bing image creator is ungodly slow i still prefer using stable diffusion

[median escarp]

there is alexa and bixby

[stray apex]

They can't do as much

[dreamy rose]

Art? fuck no not AI Art. i wanted only to fake real pictures.

[median escarp]

chatGPT has clout now

they can use it to their advantage

[stray apex]

Chatgpt is literally only a chatbot

[hazy parrot]

For generally inquiry, chat GPT has started taking over for me more than adding Reddit to my google search was

[stray apex]

And Microsoft shot their load way too early with cortana

[hazy parrot]

It’s amazingly fast now

[median escarp]

they can call it cortana 2.0

[stray apex]

If Microsoft had saved the Cortana branding until this year maybe people would actually use it

[graceful burrow]

I've got bing search integrated into my fucking keyboard on my phone

[ionic carbon]

Anyone know what cooler I should get for under 50 cad for my ryzen 5600 non x the stock is getting it up to 90

[dreamy rose]

plus its not like i'm caring to use it often either.

[hazy parrot]

They forced integration way too early, but Microsoft is better now in how they approach stuff, like edge, but I’m still upset you can’t fuckin uninstall it tho

[graceful burrow]

Ak620

[stray apex]

You can't uninstall edge because Windows uses edge

[hazy parrot]

Webview2 mostly

They forced that dependency on edge where it diddnt really need it

And it’s triggering

[neon mesa]

either edge or internet explorer dependency lol

[stray apex]

Microsoft also cannot allow dipshit users to accidentally remove all the web browsers from a PC

[hazy parrot]

there’s literally 50 different ways to install google chrome from the CMD

[stray apex]

CMD is trash

If your user needs to use a command line your OS is broken

[neon mesa]

and what regular user use CMD, they can't even navigate settings

that's where windows succeed as users don't need to touch CMD at all

[dreamy rose]

why are we forced to have this garbage clogging up our computers anyway.

[graceful burrow]

Damn
Some real templeos hate in chat rn

[hazy parrot]

If you ask chat gpt it will tell you the one command you need to type

[median escarp]

removed it using bloatbox

[neon mesa]

edge is better than chrome anyway

[median idol]

TempleOS is God tier

[hazy parrot]

Yup. It comes back though.

[dreamy rose]

remove it using Linux

[hazy parrot]

I like complaining about it

[median escarp]

nope cant come back if you delete store component

[neon mesa]

[stray apex]

Nah, at some point you'll just be able to tell bing to do it for you

[timid meadow]

Their slowly replacing cortana with binggpt, or at least testing. just havent done any major announcements. You can sometimes catch a notice about it on clean copys of 10, and theres a few articles about its functionality in 11. Probably something their going to push more twords win10 EOL to get people to upgrade

[median idol]

Memes aside, the fact that all of it was done with one person alone is pretty impressive NGL

[hazy parrot]

Bro you literally need to remove windows update (I don’t know what this would looks like) if you don’t want it to come back

[stray apex]

Microsoft tried to stick a fucking bing search bar in the middle of my desktop

There's already one in my taskbar
I have no idea why they thought this was a good plan

[graceful burrow]

It doesn't sound like you enjoy any OS why are you using a pc

[dreamy rose]

22H2 last version of Windows 10. that's hardly support don't you think?

[hazy parrot]

Windows is still vista under the hood

[median escarp]

not windows update i meant microsoft store

[timid meadow]

Good to see more confirmation its being done beyond what ive seen briefly. Not a surprise they butcher it kek

[dreamy rose]

Absolutely

[stray apex]

The ideal OS experience is it being as unobtrusive as possible

[graceful burrow]

What do you use

[neon mesa]

and a car is still the same piston + gasoline under the hood

[hazy parrot]

Not a joke or exaggeration either

[dreamy rose]

Linux

[stray apex]

Win11

[neon mesa]

it really doesn't matter

[hazy parrot]

Ok but have you seen what Linux has been cooking

[graceful burrow]

Context menu is obtrusive

[stray apex]

No, too much shit takes actual work to function

[dreamy rose]

no.

[neon mesa]

cooking reinstalls because everytime i use linux it breaks

[stray apex]

Context menu is only obtrusive when it doesn't have the option I need readily presented

[neon mesa]

i gave linux way more tries than deserved

[stray apex]

I'm not installing wine so I can run excel

[hazy parrot]

It breaks for me too, but it has an incredible file system to compensate for that

[median escarp]

me too used it only to steal our neighbors wifi

[graceful burrow]

Ive never used the win11 context menu any chances I installed winaero tweaker instantly

[hazy parrot]

It blew my mind how good and efficient it snapshots

[daring swallow]

AYO aldonist whatsuppp!!!

[median idol]

I've using Pop OS on my rig and it's been fine for me.

[neon mesa]

honestly if an OS needs more than 2 tries to try get used to it it's shit
an OS serve the user, not the opposite, linux made me serve it with all the drawbacks

[dreamy rose]

you dont need Excel. use Libreoffice ffs.

[graceful burrow]

Who

[stray apex]

It's fine
People will always complain about how an older OS is better

[timid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/smell-what-the-rock-is-cookin-the-rock-smell-bad-surprised-gif-10163437

[graceful burrow]

I never said win10 is better don't put those words in my mouth
Windows 10 is a fucking homunculus.

[hazy parrot]

I’ve reinstalled arch 4 times in 3 days because I’m not used to my OS not treating me like a complete idiot

[dreamy rose]

god that man has epic eyebrows.

[neon mesa]

The hate whatever new OS thing is like been there for ages
people hated 7 at launch and it's regarded as the "best OS" now

[stray apex]

No
How does libre office sync with my OneDrive
Does it have the same level of documentation as excel?
Will it guarantee 100% compatability with every possible use case?

[daring swallow]

Windows 10 pro or windows 11 (:<

[dreamy rose]

it gets you almost all the way there. and its FOSS.

[stray apex]

I don't care about FOSS, I care about a seamless ux

[hazy parrot]

Do you know how many backup points were made in 6 hours? 42. 42 snapshots. When I found out BTFRS. did that it made NTFS look like fossilized dino poop

[dreamy rose]

7 is actually overrated af.

[stray apex]

Knowing that some volunteers put a lot of time and effort into this software that's fully open source doesn't help me when the software is worse than something a corporation made

[dreamy rose]

NTFS is dinosaur turds.

[median escarp]

it is just a rebrand of vista

[neon mesa]

if windows 7 hypothetically get the same support as 11
i'd still pick 11 over 7

[fallen cedar]

the shop?

[hazy parrot]

11 is objectively faster but Jesus that taskbar and start customization is lacking

[median escarp]

of course once they give us back the features they removed

[neon mesa]

i mean what can you do to 7's taskbar and start menu

[dreamy rose]

11 looks like ass.

[median escarp]

you can hide it

[fallen cedar]

hey

[neon mesa]

you can also hide the taskbar on 11

[fallen cedar]

its not that bad

[hazy parrot]

Nonono you missed my point

[median escarp]

that was a joke

[dreamy rose]

so does 10. 7 looks old. KDEs perfect.

[hazy parrot]

You can’t make it functional, efficient

[stray apex]

11 is fine
It's just 10 but better

[median escarp]

you mean GnOmE

[hazy parrot]

I’m more of a plasma kinda guy

[manic torrent]

oh, perfection! nice!

[stray apex]

How is the taskbar not functional
It holds my start menu search just fine

[dreamy rose]

GNOME can go get fucked. that shits ugly as hell.

[graceful burrow]

Love me some kde

[hazy parrot]

You should see what KDE Plasma lets you do

[graceful burrow]

Gnome looks like it belongs with windows vista (it does)

[timid meadow]

11 is so close to 10 it still calls itself 10 in certain system functions

[dreamy rose]

its what Windows wishes it was.

[median escarp]

once you customize it to look like mac os it doesnt

[hazy parrot]

Windows is like ordering a steak and you’re served a bone

[stray apex]

Nah
Too much work

[fallen cedar]

with a lot of just the fatcap

[dreamy rose]

why the fuck would you want a Mac Experience? its inferior,

[median idol]

I honestly just use the LTS version of distros and honestly it's been working for me. I do see myself as fairly intermediate on Linux as I'm pretty efficient on APT. Though my rig seems to be at home with debian/Ubuntu based distros.

[neon mesa]

you can easily use third party software to change the taskbar on windows
still less effort than dealing with linux

[median escarp]

it just makes it better than stock

[graceful burrow]

Yeah
You might have to type a few letters into a scary black box with a $ in it
Terrifying, I'm shaking just thinking about it

[dreamy rose]

if you want a good desktop you use KDE or XFCE

[stray apex]

No, windows is telling your waiter you want a steak and you get a decent steak
Linux is telling your waiter you want a steak and they come back with an encyclopedia of steaks and tells you that you can have anything from it, but there's a nonzero chance you'll have to kill the cow yourself

[dreamy rose]

its a lot more work and hastle on Windows.

[median escarp]

oh youre actually right

[hazy parrot]

Those are hacks that need to run over the native process anyway, a process that is not made to be modified. It’s very limited in that way.

Not efficient as good as startallback is

[wary summit]

what does FOSS stand for

[stray apex]

You might have to write your own drivers if your hardware is too new or unconventional

[median escarp]

i never checked kde

[graceful burrow]

You do realize Linux has installer executables just like windows right

[timid meadow]

No, hes actually light

[neon mesa]

my taskbar and start is already very different from the original
what else do you wanna change

[median escarp]

not universal

[median idol]

Free/open source software

[dreamy rose]

Free and Open Source Software

[hazy parrot]

I want better app integration tools and widgets (not windows 11 widgets)

[dreamy rose]

why?

[stray apex]

I have actually used Linux, yes
It's like windows but slightly faster and slightly more annoying, except occasionally it's significantly more annoying

[wary summit]

OHH FOSSHUB

[graceful burrow]

Oh no!
I have to click the Debian option instead of arch!

[median escarp]

installed the stock kde and it looked medicore

[median escarp]

not all apps support rpm nor deb

[median idol]

My setup did not like KDE...

[neon mesa]

i have tried linux more than 5 times and it never sticks, there is always that ONE issue that despite 95% works like windows that one thing ruins everything
either with linux itself or a software that doesn't natively work on linux

[hazy parrot]

That’s the fun part

[dreamy rose]

Stock KDE is good. but KDE can be changed to whatever you choose.

[hazy parrot]

Make it how you want. Its literally

No 2 daily users will have the same KDE

[dreamy rose]

even that shitty MacOS look can be done. as if it wasn't a sin

[median escarp]

man last thing i used was kde 3.4 it was ass

[graceful burrow]

Oh no!
I have to type a few letters into that scawy black box

[hazy parrot]

it’s come a long way as more and more people jump in

[neon mesa]

send your taskbar or something
it better not look like a mid windows copy

[median idol]

Though truth be told, I think it has something to do with Wayland more so but who knows. I know that my 3090 hates wayland

[graceful burrow]

Of install it from that scawy app store

[median escarp]

man i was searching for an applet

[dreamy rose]

ah well Plasma 5.26 is real good

[stray apex]

Ah yes
Because as we know consumers enjoy memorizing console commands

[median escarp]

it took me ages to know it only works on arch

[dreamy rose]

6 is coming soon

[graceful burrow]

All you have to remember is sudo apt install
That's basically it lmao

[timid meadow]

--help

[hazy parrot]

Apt is Ubuntu

[stray apex]

Unless you're not using apt, sure

[median escarp]

had to know how to remove packages and dependencies

[graceful burrow]

Nobody recommends arch to newbies

[hazy parrot]

Real ones pacman

[graceful burrow]

Everyone recommends a form of Ubuntu lmao

[hazy parrot]

Dude arch has become noob friendly.

[graceful burrow]

I'm not disagreeing

[timid meadow]

I like Kubuntu or Fedora

[dreamy rose]

SteamOS 3

[median idol]

I mean archinstall is a thing

[dreamy rose]

neither of them are optimal.

[stray apex]

But what about man
Or h
And what if the person writing the command was a dick

[median escarp]

steam os was bad before the steam deck

[hazy parrot]

Ngl you can get by just fine on Linux copy and pasting commands, just get used to middle clicks for that tho

[dreamy rose]

yes. but this is also Valves 3rd try. VALVE. THREE? THEY DID IT!

[neon mesa]

a lot of people either classmate or relative still ask me for help dealing with windows. can't imagine the support nightmare if they were to use linux

[timid meadow]

I dont need optimal, ive got a solid enough windows machine. Most of my linux are server flavors like Unraid, and old laptops that have super specific purposes

[graceful burrow]

My mother uses Linux daily

[neon mesa]

i mean if all she do is use facebook sure it works
that's why chromeOS works

[median escarp]

95% of my country citizens dont even use a pc

[median idol]

Ah chromeOS, Gentoo's bastard child

[stray apex]

Ultimately windows has the best compatability
And since the purpose of a PC is to do stuff on it
The one that lets you do everything is going to have a significant advantage over the one that doesn't

[dreamy rose]

Linux is already ready for the average joe/jane. yet people cant wrap their head around it

[spring socket]

Oh fun, another windows vs Linux debate

[median escarp]

it all started with ac unity

[graceful burrow]

The daily one yeah

[hazy parrot]

The problem with windows is anything you want that you’d think integrate, doesn’t, it’s some sort of hack that pretends to, or at worst, does integrate. Recent example being a total commander-like extension to double panel file explorer. I had to whip out my laptop to fresh install

[stray apex]

Windows is basically never going to break so badly that you need a command prompt
I had to fix something from cli within ten minutes of installing mint

[median escarp]

they fear the terminal

[spring socket]

Like half of those games were dumpster fires on consoles too btw

[median idol]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-trash-linuxbad-gif-18671901

[dreamy rose]

fuck yes it does. Windows crumbles.

[stray apex]

No it doesn't lmak

[median escarp]

my edid got broken immediately after installing drivers in kali

[neon mesa]

linux works better than a lot of stuff than windows, but there is always that one shit that doesn't
but windows despite not being as optimal on some, always guaranteed to work.
there's a reason a lot of linux users still use windows VM and basically 0% uses linux VM on windows (there is some but don't be pedantic)

[graceful burrow]

I've seen windows break by itself so many times it's unreal
To friends, to family, to people online, and to me

[stray apex]

You will only need cli on windows if you fucked something up

[dreamy rose]

sure as hell does. every time i've ran a SFC Scan shits been broken.

[median escarp]

they basically installed that app from indian scammer

[hazy parrot]

If you guys need like, one last thing to really put the nail in the coffin, there’s an app called simplewall. Download it. It blocks any and all connections at the driver level until you approve them.

And check out just how much random telemetry calls come from Microsoft processes. EVEN if you debloat scripted. Why don’t you put those remote IP into whois

[graceful burrow]

No.

[stray apex]

Sure?
How do you think Microsoft decides what to remove or add from windows

[spring socket]

I still use windows

[stray apex]

Surveys?
No
Shitloads of telemetry on what people actually use

[timid meadow]

If you have proper backups a restore takes like 20 mins so you dont even need to troubleshoot if you get to the point of CLI

[hazy parrot]

But, diddnt you deliberately turn all those options off?

[dreamy rose]

Windows is a hodgepodge of 30 year old garbage, incompetent code and general UI Failure.

[median escarp]

if you use atlas it wont

[median idol]

I might make a full AMD rig for Linux due to the open source drivers alone down line

[median escarp]

yeah amd is better than nvidia on linux

[hazy parrot]

And now predatory data practices

[wind pulsar]

I grabbed the softest blanket I could find and it was $300 but shh

[dreamy rose]

AMD in general makes a PC Better

[dreamy rose]

that too.

[hazy parrot]

Okay but my language models run better than on windows with nvidia

[stray apex]

Sure?
And there's obviously built in lower level stuff that they don't let you disable normally

[hazy parrot]

Lower stuff huh

[neon mesa]

a lot of these "advantages" are shit regular users don't give a fuck

[median idol]

I mean yeah. Though I've been using my Nvidia card on Pop OS just fine but sometimes the drivers can shit itself for whatever reason.

[stray apex]

Like, if you're one of those privacy people, sure, don't use Windows

[hazy parrot]

Pretty sure you mean deeper trenched stuff, the host dlls too, why those making calls

[neon mesa]

and yet they're on discord, possibly one of the least secure social platforms

[median escarp]

couldnt even uninstall them last time

i installed it cuz people said wine is faster than windows

[hazy parrot]

Chinas got stake in it too.

[stray apex]

But if you're a normal person who doesn't care what corporations do with your data as long as they don't read your files or steal your passwords
You don't care

[dreamy rose]

so users dont give a fuck if their computer force updates on them? wow you make a really good point.

[stray apex]

Forcing updates is a good thing lmao

[spring socket]

This is actually more annoying than console vs PC debates

[stray apex]

Your grandmother needs security updates
And God knows she's not doing them manually

[dreamy rose]

not when it deletes your work

[hazy parrot]

I’m not saying I think corpo spies on me, I’m saying if there’s an option to not consent to that, why is it not honored

[median escarp]

not always you cna make a big pop up telling you to update

[neon mesa]

"force" update, which you can pause for up to a month and still can update and shut down

[median escarp]

or at least give you the choice not to

[dreamy rose]

nah. theres no Sony ponies here,

[hazy parrot]

Why pretend to give me the option

[median escarp]

force update is only good for the elderly

[stray apex]

Maybe if you weren't using FOSS software that doesn't have proper auto backup that wouldn't be an issue

[neon mesa]

i have yet to see an instance where windows "forcefully" update during actual usage

[stray apex]

Force update is good for most consumers

[neon mesa]

just press update and shut down when you're done using the PC lmao

[dreamy rose]

this is windows nothing FOSS

[median escarp]

it did it told it was emergency

[stray apex]

Windows hasn't force updated since like, win 7

[median escarp]

they removed ie9

how was it an emergency

[graceful burrow]

https://twitter.com/DonHaci/status/1050366955797008386?s=20
This was 8 tho
Funny video

Hac1 (@DonHaci)

FUCK WINDOWS UPDATE

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Twitter · Oct 11, 2018, 12:46 PM

[hazy parrot]

Early windows 10 I had a 3 minute warning in the middle of my game that kicked me out of full screen and no prompt to cancel it. But yeah since then not really

[stray apex]

Modern windows will just wait until you go away to update

[dreamy rose]

am i supposed to believe you?

[median idol]

The whole Nvidia vs AMD vs Intel thing honestly infuriates me more than consoles vs PCs. I mean with console fanboys we can just watch from afar and laugh, but with team green vs team Red vs team blue..... It's just annoying ASF

[hazy parrot]

I’d imagine it’s worse in commercial or industrial areas

[median escarp]

yes this is the same thing that happened to me

[neon mesa]

they out here pulling an issue that is no longer an issue

windows don't have that timer for years

[dreamy rose]

Clearly Red has a future.

[stray apex]

You're probably the most convincing evidence I have that Linux is incapable of going mainstream, so you probably won't

[hazy parrot]

Yeah to me personally it hasn’t happened in years

[graceful burrow]

I literally said it was windows 8 lmao
Good job not reading

[neon mesa]

was it a response to you?

[graceful burrow]

Yes

[hazy parrot]

He responding to me

[median escarp]

it does on dynamic updates

[neon mesa]

good job not reading

[graceful burrow]

I'm stealing it

[hazy parrot]

TAKE IT UP WITH ME PAL

[stray apex]

I mean, 8 came out over ten years ago so
Not exactly modern windows

[graceful burrow]

You're now talking to me

[median escarp]

and what it considers "critical updates

[hazy parrot]

Yes hi

[graceful burrow]

Hi! :)

[hazy parrot]

Hai

[full fossil]

chinas got stake in spotify lol

[dreamy rose]

its only incapable of so because people are shit scared of something that doesnt happen.

[median escarp]

how are you guys

[graceful burrow]

Great
Debating on breakfast

[median escarp]

[spring socket]

China has stake in just about everything lmao

[stray apex]

Linux cannot go mainstream without a corporation that actually gives a shit about the consumer

[full fossil]

hihi @graceful burrow@hazy parrot@stray apex

[full fossil]

ye

[graceful burrow]

hiiii!

[median escarp]

hey buddy

[stray apex]

Hi

[full fossil]

hey

[dreamy rose]

China owns Riot and 40% of Epic Games

[hazy parrot]

I love how the internet works sometimes

[median escarp]

i love how i can turn on my pc

[hazy parrot]

You’re all cool

[median escarp]

tnx

[neon mesa]

at the end of the day windows is still the dominant OS by miles, i'll accept linux is actually getting mainstream if it escape at least the 2% cage

[stray apex]

People who shit on windows and tell everyone to use Linux are like niche authors who say that popular books are all trash

[median escarp]

yeah shit to harry potter

[graceful burrow]

Most popular books are tbh

[stray apex]

If you can't understand why people prefer something, how can you possibly make something that competes?

[rare zenith]

LMAO

[dreamy rose]

Steam Deck will help that.

[wind pulsar]

Yeah no, that's not how that works

[neon mesa]

steam deck is not a general purpose machine

[median escarp]

to be honest?

[graceful burrow]

That's amd! You'll scare them!

[hazy parrot]

2 people make videos titled THIS OS RAISED MY FPS IN FORTNITE and it won’t be long before it’s a much larger split

[graceful burrow]

Steam deck jumpscare

[full fossil]

Aldonist is a niche author confirmed

[rare zenith]

And then they'll side load windows for games that don't work on Linux lol

[median escarp]

when i was playing free fire they kept telling to do these settings to get 60 fps

[graceful burrow]

I'm releasing a destined new York times best seller here in a week

[wind pulsar]

Tecent is affiliated with the CCP, and Tencent owns Riot Games and 40% of Epic Games- and 84% of Supercell- and 80% of Grinding Gear Games

[median escarp]

my account got banned then

[full fossil]

good luck!

[dreamy rose]

Tencent owns 100% of Riot games and 40% stake in Epic games,

[hazy parrot]

The compatibility layer has gone on without any help and soon it’s go from just that, to an enhancement layer

[stray apex]

The windows of literature

[wind pulsar]

Yes, that doesn't mean those companies are 'owned' by China

[graceful burrow]

I'm banning you from owning a copy

[median escarp]

they are , just in disguise

same as their neeew gpu vendor

[dreamy rose]

i mean Riot def is.

[timid meadow]

"Best seller"= we ordered 100,000 of our books under a shell corp to get our name on a list

[full fossil]

the chinese gov has full backdoor access and as much control as they want

[graceful burrow]

Don't tell them my strat!

[stray apex]

I'll pirate it from my local library

[dreamy rose]

Moore Threads? Moore laughs moore like

[median escarp]

you will not escape

[wind pulsar]

No, it's still an American company, no matter how much you turn it

[timid meadow]

Mfs calling a book a best seller before its even for sale. Tf?

[graceful burrow]

sinks yer ship

[median escarp]

they just f up if they dont fix their drivers

[hazy parrot]

Anywhere you look Riot claims tencent acquisition was purely financial. But it reflects in game design choices

[graceful burrow]

I said destined tbf

[stray apex]

It's a narco sub

[graceful burrow]

Subs are ships

[dreamy rose]

its got its American origins but its chinese now,

[full fossil]

turns out tis a U-boat

[median escarp]

procedes to call in turpedoes

[spring socket]

Are you implying that Intel and Nvidia are gonna die?

[wind pulsar]

I'm still hyped for Hytales, even after 5 years of after-trailer development

[stray apex]

But they're meant to sink so it's okay

[median idol]

https://tenor.com/view/lazy-town-pirate-youre-a-pirate-robby-rotten-gif-5875564

[median escarp]

intel is still in the low

[timid meadow]

Little tiny nukes meant to sit underwater

[stray apex]

How

[hazy parrot]

Holy shit man that was before I even got into lol and I been into lol for what felt like years now

[dreamy rose]

where did you get that from. i said AMD wont die. they have a spot in the market. it will stay that way.

[wind pulsar]

It is an American company, headquartered in America, publishes games from their headquarters in America and does esports in America

Getting bought out by a Chinese company doesn't make you Chinese national property, holy shit

[hazy parrot]

You should see the audience they try to please with champ releases

[median escarp]

having a high stake does

[hazy parrot]

There’s even empirical data to back it too but that’s gonna take sourcing

[stray apex]

Almost like the Chinese playerbase is huge

[rare zenith]

Not really, sure they're losing customers but they still sell a lot of computer for general people, Chromebooks, etc. Sure AMD is better but most people will probably stay with Intel cause they've had a good Intel in the past

[hazy parrot]

And I’m not leaving this tab

[stray apex]

Do you think riot wouldn't try to appeal to the massive Chinese market without the ten cent acquisition

[median escarp]

i meant intelgpus

[stray apex]

It would be financially irresponsible at best

[rare zenith]

Oh lol, yeah no haha

[wind pulsar]

I'm 22 and I'm apparently already too old for this shit, the braindamage is major

[graceful burrow]

Arc gang

[dreamy rose]

Brand recognition: the only way PlayStation is selling anymore.

[spring socket]

Intel has definitely improved from the 14nm++++ CPU days

[stray apex]

Hopefully meteor lake is actually good

[rare zenith]

Also some people like the exclusives

[stray apex]

And battlemage isn't like rdna1 drivers

[median escarp]

brain what?

[timid meadow]

Only reason i own a ps4 is because i needed a console, mostly for media, and the one person i knew at the time was on ps so i had to get it if i wanted multiplayer

[rare zenith]

But yeah a series x is better

[wind pulsar]

Can't be even worse, at worst it's an 'Ah, as expected'

[stray apex]

People shitting on PS5 like the Xbox 360 wasn't literally melting

[median escarp]

im 17 and im too young for this

[dreamy rose]

they come to PC anyway.

[dreamy rose]

PS3 was too.

[median escarp]

also ps3 did the same

[rare zenith]

In like a year or two

[hazy parrot]

I hate that you raise a valid point but there’s multiple instances of this in other ways too. EUW, Korean, and Chinese are considered the best regions yet

Why does China get a server exclusive for their good players called the super server

[full fossil]

ps2 too

[median escarp]

fable 2 still didnt

[stray apex]

I mean, it could have driver issues or something
Exceptionally unlikely but it's been in development hell for a bit

[dreamy rose]

Nvidia got in on it too

[median escarp]

turbogfx16 too

[spring socket]

PS5 and series x isn't even that different, now that 30 fps is making an unfortunate comeback

[median escarp]

unfortunate?

[stray apex]

Because they're the biggest market by far?

[full fossil]

ew

[median idol]

Anyone remember when Saddam was said to have made a supercomputer using PlayStation 2s

[spring socket]

30 fps was the standard in the Xbox 360 generation bruh

[median escarp]

or nasa building super computer with ps3

[median escarp]

why do you watch 24 fps movies then

[graceful burrow]

Us military did that

[wind pulsar]

They're by far the biggest current market and by far the biggest potential market

[full fossil]

I've never owned a console

[hazy parrot]

I don’t think so. At least, not since China prohibits children from more than 2 hours a week of gaming, predominantly a mobile game playing crowd too

[median escarp]

im not us so i didnt know for sure

[graceful burrow]

Different when it's interactive

[stray apex]

Do you know how many single young men there are in china

[wind pulsar]

.. So you think only children play LoL

[median escarp]

not by much

[hazy parrot]

No idea

[median escarp]

children brains

[graceful burrow]

You're right
Not by much
By a fucking lot

[hazy parrot]

Children do have a lotta time for gaming

[spring socket]

Are you unironically going to say that the human eye can't see past 30 fps?

[median escarp]

i say 45 is the sweet spot

[timid meadow]

LoL is stupid complex wtf u mean?

[rare zenith]

????

[median escarp]

no it just dont matter much when a fucking console cant reach 60 fps

[spring socket]

60 and above is the sweet spot lol

[hazy parrot]

I mean I’m addicted to league, and single too so I can relate

[wind pulsar]

You clearly have done neither research about nor have any clue what you're talking about, huh

[median escarp]

no its like activating motion blur

[hazy parrot]

But as far as demographic no lol

[rare zenith]

How do you see 240hz then lol

[spring socket]

Good lord...

[median idol]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[median escarp]

i like my games cinematic

[stray apex]

China yuge market
Big money

[median escarp]

it can see i just said that it isnt that much pleasing

[wind pulsar]

1.3 billion people

[stray apex]

LoL panders to China because they make lots of money there

[hazy parrot]

That’s a census count

[dreamy rose]

i suggest you look at Daytona USA and how it showed us that 60FPS really matters

[wind pulsar]

China doesn't have a lot of kids

[median escarp]

to them

[wind pulsar]

So huge market
How is that so hard to understand

[dreamy rose]

to everyone.

[median escarp]

1 kid per family but they just raised it to 3

[spring socket]

Racing games and fpses really benefit from 60 fps and higher

[wind pulsar]

Irrelevant

[median escarp]

or maybe 2]

[timid meadow]

Did the LoL playerbase spike as a result of the china blizzard shutdown?

[wind pulsar]

You can raise your policy all you want, there's no point if the people don't want children

[median escarp]

well they limit the child rate

[hazy parrot]

Can’t say, riot doesn’t publish players numbers much often

[wind pulsar]

Still irrelevant, people don't even want children because raising children in China fucking sucks financially