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[hearty spear]

shut up elon

[winged yarrow]

lol

[night heron]

i will continue to say i instead of ultra

[hearty spear]

no it doesn't.
is it a 13 year old chip? or a 1 year old chip?
i5 doesn't explain shit.

[pliant sphinx]

Also, they could make other things than Lakes with the namechange

[daring swallow]

this^

[chrome vector]

WAIT, LETS CALL THEM ELON.

Elon 14900k

[daring swallow]

This^

[pliant sphinx]

What does Ultra explain when there will be 3 Ultra series?

[crystal pike]

that really is infuriating

[winged yarrow]

ÆLON 14900k

[crystal pike]

ashllon sounds like athelon

[hearty spear]

I am not high enough to put up with some of this chatroom. holy shit.

[chrome vector]

Lets just go back to Pentiums

Pentium III 14900k

[pliant sphinx]

lol

[winged yarrow]

I'm not high at all and I'm having a good time

I feel like "Pentium" has such a respectable weight behind it

[chrome vector]

Pentium used to be top tier. Now it's a baby cpu

[pliant sphinx]

The symbol associated with powah 💪 PENTIUM

or Celeron?

[crystal pike]

Because it does

[winged yarrow]

Celeron is too close to celery, but Pentium is the Penultimate

[chrome vector]

That's why it's so dumb what they've done to the name. They don't want to drop the iconic pentium branding, but then they put it on their garbage CPUs now

[pliant sphinx]

Well, celery and average Celeron have about the same compute power

[pliant sphinx]

But Core was ok. Why are they changing it?

[winged yarrow]

Need somebody with a celeron/pentium to do the web basemark for me so I can brag about how many times more powerful my pixel phone is

[chrome vector]

I know, I agree. Like I said I really like the Core i3, i5, i7, i9 branding. I really think this change is dumb.

It makes me want to switch to AMD.

Core series should stay the same. Pentiums should be high end desktop

[pliant sphinx]

Their company moves can't really get anymore pathetic. Like, they can also start calling Arc series Ultimate A770 or some other shit

[chrome vector]

WAIT

When Intel makes 90 level GPUs they should name them Pentium

https://tenor.com/view/intel-pentium-inside-cpu-processor-intel-inside-gif-17715599

[pliant sphinx]

I have respect for AMD as a great budget option, on both the GPU and CPU front. However, the recent developments of their CPU division make me rethink that... and consider them as the "more advanced" option (this is from my perspective, I have a few reasons to cosider that. I know other's opinions will differ)

I especially see power consumption as something Intel should care about more. The 13600K and 13700K can be wild... and the 13900K is just a beast but so damn inefficient

[dire roost]

how would a laptop 3060 scale up to a regular 2060?

[spring socket]

Motherboard manufacturers don't help either when they enable settings that make the CPUs guzzle down power and make them difficult to cool properly, while not even getting that much better performance

[pliant sphinx]

Then it's just stacking bad things... but at least most of these can be turned off/modified.

[chrome vector]

Yeah, up until this Legion 5 Pro laptop I got I had never used a computer with Ryzen. It sounds like they are killing it now, though. Hopefully they can keep it up.

However, I really hope their GPU division can do the same as their CPU division and catch up with Nvidia.

Either way, I'm happy Intel is going to be in the GPU market now.

[pliant sphinx]

Ye. They need to work hard though. If they don't they are going to end in the nothingness of history with Arc GPUs.

[chrome vector]

I'm actually kinda made I bought this Legion 5 Pro a few months ago. I got a really good deal on it, however I'm really excited for Framework laptops with GPUs.

I even asked on the WAN show a few months if Linus knew if Framework was ever considering making laptops with GPUs, because I don't have much of a reason to buy a laptop without one. Linus gave a relatively coy answer, so I'm assuming he knew they were going to announce that soon.

Either way, I'm really excited for these new Framework laptops. I may finally get one now.

[pliant sphinx]

Radeon 7000 series is pretty great imo. Big improvement in software over the 6000 series. I will be buying a new GPU this gen, and seeing the Nvidia tax this gen, I am seriously considering going Radeon.

It is not that great in Blender, but I need some money for the rest of the build.

[acoustic pond]

Nivida Master Race

[slim mirage]

My Lenovo legion 5 fan curve is really whacky

[chrome vector]

I doubt it. Intel makes some of the best silcon on the planet, they essentially invented this game.

Granted CPU and GPUs are different, but I have faith Intel can catch up. If anyone can, it's them.

[pliant sphinx]

Also, the lack of VRAM on Nvdia GPUs makes it pain in the a... for me. Like, I seriously hoped the 4070 is going to be 256bit/16GB

[chrome vector]

I have barely messed with mine yet.

[slim mirage]

@chrome vector what is your legions specs

[wispy marsh]

Ryzen RX 7900XTX

[chrome vector]

Ryzen 7 6800h, 3070ti, 16gb ram DDR5, 1TB SSD.

However, I already have the ram and the NVME to replace those. Adding more storage and 32gb ram.

[pliant sphinx]

Yep. If they don't collapse as a company before they can catch up cough.

I see their potential more in GPUs than CPUs now. Arc is great, just the software is wacky. On the CPU side, however, AM5 will probably start killing their sales like AM4 did.

[chrome vector]

There's almost no chance of that happening, but I get what you mean.

I doubt they would drop Arc.

[pliant sphinx]

Depends on sales. All depends on them.

[slim mirage]

Might need to get something newer my mobile 2060 is showing its downsides in certain games now

[chrome vector]

Yeah, I'd wait until more Nvidia 4000 series and Radeon 7000 laptops come out. See the pro and cons, especially depending on how much you want to spend.

Just remember to watch Jarrod'sTech if you don't already. He's probably the best gaming laptop Youtuber...

Either way, I'm just looking forward to Framework's laptops with GPUs. Even if I didn't already have this laptop, I'm not buying one from anyone until that actually comes out.

If they are good, my next laptop is going to be Framework.

Hell, if they're good, I don't know if I would buy any laptop that isn't framework. Love what they're doing, but I just wanted a GPU.

We don't even know what company's GPUs they are going to be selling yet. We'll have to wait and see.

[chrome vector]

Yeah, but even with Intel's latest woes if anyone can eat the cost to enter the market it's them

[full fossil]

The only tech company with more cash than intel is apple

[pliant sphinx]

Wait till we see Microsoft GPUs

[sage grail]

Guys I need some help

I'm going to the boot up screen
And I'm getting in

But when i click on enter setup or that button

It leads me to load optimised defaults

[chrome vector]

And knowing Apple if they start making discrete GPUs they'll only work with not only their computers, but one specific computer.

They'll make a whole heatsink and everything, but they'll solder the PCIE slot and put half the chips on the motherboard.

[sage grail]

And no matter what i click it doesn't change

Or accept the select command

So what should I do?

[full fossil]

Oh no my point was intel has an insane amount of cash to handle short term losses

Apple would make a 2000mm APU die rather than a discrete card

[chrome vector]

God I would kill to see Microsoft start making their own silicon... BILL, MAKE THE GPUS, FUCK SOFTWARE

[pliant sphinx]

It's not so easy. Continuous failures, no sales and high costs will leave a mark on your product, then on your reviews and reputation.

ATI, a respected GPU manufacturer, after being acquired by AMD, starting to do that and ended in dust. And it started to wake up just now.

[pliant sphinx]

Microsoft GPU Pass

XGPU? 🤔
Xbox lmao

[chrome vector]

I am looking forward to messing with Apple silicon though. Up until recently I haven't owned an Apple product since the iPhone 4. Hadn't used a Mac since 2009.

Got a great price for a new M1 12.9 iPad Pro 2TB, and I also got a good price on a base model M1 Macbook. Just haven't messed with them much yet.

These might be the only Apple products I use for the next decade, so... We'll see.

[chrome vector]

How about an Xbox that you plug into a PC to make your Games play more games

[sage grail]

Guys I need some help I'm going to the boot up screen
And I'm getting in But when i click on enter setup or that button It leads me to load optimised defaults And no matter what i click it doesn't change Or accept the select command So what should I do?.................

[naive chasm]

is there a rich person in here?

[chrome vector]

Unironically, I really fucking wish AMD and Intel would make console level APUs for PC.

I get the limitations, and some of the reasons they haven't done it... BUT I WANT IT

[chrome vector]

Linus is always here... Always watching. Ready to drop some top shelf technical tips

[pliant sphinx]

Hmm

[pliant sphinx]

Linus "dropping Tips" is the most accurate thing ever

[wispy marsh]

Don't post in multiple channels at once

[dire roost]

?

[naive chasm]

thanks but not for that. Only if there was someone who can fund me atleast a 100 bucks. i am making a server and plan to do some crazy stuff. however one thing that bothers me a lot are the profile pics of the bots. most bots i am developing on my own. atleast trying to but i have really integrated mee6 into my server and if i want to remove the pfp. i must pay premium

[wispy marsh]

What is the manufacturers wattages for that laptop gpu?

[chrome vector]

according to passmark 3060 laptop would be a little worse

[wispy marsh]

We can't help you without wattage

[chrome vector]

If you're old enough you could possibly sign up for paypal credit. Over $100 purchases/money transfers you have no interest if you pay it back in 6 months.

I've been using it lately, it's nice.

[naive chasm]

I am still 17. Will definetly do that tho, once i turn 18

i thought of freelancing but again i can't get paypal

[chrome vector]

You can even make a second paypal account, use paypal credit to transfer money to your second account and on to your debit card if whatever you're buying doesn't accept paypal. I did that once.

[winged yarrow]

I made a paypal credit account when I was 17

[naive chasm]

doesn't paypal require the user to be 18 first?

[winged yarrow]

I used my mom's info

[wispy marsh]

[winged yarrow]

next level borrowing of the credit card

[chrome vector]

Just don't mess up your credit score. Mine is back to normal now, but I had a bad set of circumstances happen with my first credit card and lost my job.

Credit cards can be great if you use them correctly, just make sure you make at least the minimum payment

[naive chasm]

I don't have access to my parent's accounts

[wispy marsh]

Why not just use a prepaid cc from her directly?

[naive chasm]

how much is your credit score?

[winged yarrow]

Well I don't think she knew about it iirc

[stoic beacon]

Casually admits to credit fraud in a social app

That's a big yikes.

[naive chasm]

well well

[winged yarrow]

Well now hol up

[wispy marsh]

There are quite a few places that check for prepaid like azure or aws

[stoic beacon]

I mean, nothing is going to happen realistically, but do be aware that lying about your age on Steam is very different than lying about your age to Equifax or the IRS

[wispy marsh]

I couldn't get my Grab working with azure and i had to use my real cc

[chrome vector]

Like 680-700. Basically normal. Now I'm going to build my credit back up, never making that mistake again. It won't take too long for me to build it up now.

[winged yarrow]

Paypal Credit used to work a lot differently back before they were a "legit bank"

It was more like their pay in four where it didn't require a credit check and etc

[naive chasm]

My dad has somewhere around the region of 800 ig. could be less, could be more.

[chrome vector]

Yeah they still have pay in four, but it might check your credit now. I literally just paid of a pay in four, along with my paypal credit.

[stoic beacon]

Also, just because it needs to be said, don't spend money that you don't have...if you don't have the amount in your checking account, do not put that amount on a credit card, PayPal credit, etc.

[winged yarrow]

Yeah exactly, they had less checks super early on

[dire roost]

250

srry i was lookin it up

[naive chasm]

So, what do you guys say? Lets suppose i start freelancing, which service should i offer?

[chrome vector]

Yeah. You're young (younger than me at least). Seriously, don't mess up your credit, whatever you're buying isn't worth messing it up if you can't pay it back. I just use my credit cards to buy stuff I can pay back.

[dire roost]

but that is w a ryzen 7

[dire roost]

that'd be great

[chrome vector]

Honestly don't know. Never built a server, let alone a NAS yet.

[naive chasm]

Tbh we never use our credit cards, dad always has the money to buy stuff

[wispy marsh]

The laptop gpu, not the entire laptop

[dire roost]

how would i go about seein that

[winged yarrow]

Agreed. I'm doing a lot better with my finances now that I don't get money taken out for my 401k anymore. Looking to be completely debt free around July or so.

[stoic beacon]

Very nice! Going to start investing for retirement after that?

[paper mesa]

voice messages is the biggest w of discord history

my voice message rizz boutta go crazy

[naive chasm]

hey dude, you sound like a rich guy. Wanna fund me a 100 bucks? for Mee6 premium?

[chrome vector]

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/4037vs4342/GeForce-RTX-2060-vs-GeForce-RTX-3060-Laptop-GPU

For CPUs:

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php?redirect

For GPUs:

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php?remove=4037

[wispy marsh]

It needs to be specified by the oem or have undergone through testing, but 250w seems pretty good

[winged yarrow]

Yeah, my 401k is essentially "disabled" since I switched companies but I still work under the same roof. I had 13.4% going into it before so now that plus a little extra is going into savings. I have a seedfi loan which has 2.5k locked away so once I pay off the remaining amount I'll get that back, and that should roll over to my other debts.

[paper mesa]

rich and debt free can be associated with eachother but not interchanged

[chrome vector]

What is mee6 premium even for? I don't do discord

[winged yarrow]

I have a net worth of $5, but at least it's positive

[stoic beacon]

Does it not still go up and down with the market though?

[chrome vector]

You could include your tech/everything else you own

[naive chasm]

Like it'll unlock a lot of useful plugins for your server.

[pliant sphinx]

Your SWTOR account is also worth something

[paper mesa]

net worth: what do they do with my body when i die? 💀

[wispy marsh]

Give it to other people

[chrome vector]

Is it a discord server? I thought you meant a computer server lol

[paper mesa]

oh god

[winged yarrow]

Yeah I'm pretty sure the way 401Ks work is they're essentially investment accounts that keep on investing even after you ||lose them from gettin fired yo or|| stop putting money into them.

[stoic beacon]

You could do what my grandpa did. He requested to be cremated and have his ashes shot out of a pumpkin cannon.

We honored it, and not going to lie, it was a great time

[wispy marsh]

My country is opt-out by default

[winged yarrow]

Nah my PC is a liability, it would only hurt.

[wispy marsh]

If you opt out, you get lower priority for organ transplant waiting lists

[winged yarrow]

SWTOR account is a liability too since I'm paying for that 180 day premium

[paper mesa]

that is pretty awesome

[pliant sphinx]

oof

[naive chasm]

Absolutely not. I mean i wanna make my computer server and build a pc someday, but even if i can do it now. I don't want to spend my parent's money.

[stoic beacon]

Yeah, that's how they work in the US, at least. Once you're debt free though, you could look into IRAs, generally you want to invest around 15-25% of your income so that in retirement, you're all set

[chrome vector]

I can't believe Nikcado Avocado is losing weight.

NATURE IS HEALING

[paper mesa]

im bout to nut a bust and go sleep gn friends

[naive chasm]

How much would you say is like average retirement fund in the us? sorry, i don't know properly

[winged yarrow]

Generally, yeah, but I feel a lot of uncertainty for the future and I've been thinking I might invest into something more tangible.

[stoic beacon]

Average? Very bad. Most people don't save. People in their 30s and 40s only have about 130k saved for retirement

When it comes to retirement, you want to be WELL above average

[naive chasm]

Hmm, I do get you now

[stoic beacon]

Especially because it compounds. If you manage to save a million bucks and the market goes up 9%, you just made 90,000 by doing nothing

[naive chasm]

Yk i told my dad about that, but he's more into real estate

[stoic beacon]

Real estate is a far better investment, if you can afford it, because there are no real regulations surrounding it

Hence, the housing crisis in the US and Canada and Europe and China and Russia and..........

In the nearest city to me, there are people who can buy a house, with cash, one house every single month with the rent they collect from all the houses they already own

[naive chasm]

here in India, if we talk in regards to US dollars. My dad's first property that he bought was in 2001 and that too for about 1500 bucks. yes, that's how cheap it was. I believe the price of the property is more than 300k now

[winged yarrow]

See, that seems like a better first investment imo

[stoic beacon]

If you can pull it off, yeah. It's just a lot more work, and a lot more risk, because to get started, you have to go into debt

I don't care to add extra work to my life or stress, so I just stick with a Roth 401k, a Roth IRA, and a mutual fund

[winged yarrow]

Yeah for sure, but it's a different kind of debt that you can leverage (for more debt)

[stoic beacon]

Yes, which is why it's not exclusively bad debt like CC debt

It's like student loan debt as well. You accept risk for the potential of a higher payout in the end

But see what happened with ChatGPT? Many software dev students I know are dropping out after this year to go get their electrician apprenticeship

They took out debt, and it won't pay off to the same level that they thought it would

[hollow zealot]

Trades are awesome
Take it from a tradesman 🙂

[winged yarrow]

I've been told that it's better if I first form an LLC holding company, then an investment LLC, then a VC LLC, then my main LLC, then an LLC for each of my products/businesses. Then under the investment LLC I create an operating company, which owns a real estate company and a leasing company, as well as another VC company.

[stoic beacon]

Yup, and they make a fortune too, especially with how few people are willing to perform them anymore

[naive chasm]

Well for me tho, degree is just something i'd like to get. After that I wanna build my own startup

[stoic beacon]

Plumbers in the town nearest me charge $175 an hour, and that's the guy that's booked out two months.

If you want a plumber tomorrow, that's $300/hr

[winged yarrow]

Then under the main LLC I create a second holding company, a real estate company, and a leasing company in that respective hierarchy, which then lease out to the other companies.

[stoic beacon]

Startup is a bit harder than a degree. Takes a certain work ethic, but if you have it, it's very rewarding

[chrome vector]

(Disclaimer: I am saying I condone or support this I am just speculating the future)

Between all the economic factors from minimum wage, to current inflation, general inflation out pacing minmum wage for decades and decades, lack of social programs/safety nets, healthcare, politicians just generally not doing anything, retirment crisis, and politicians just generally letting corporations fuck American in every way possible..... There's going to be chaos in the upcoming decades if nothing changes. Polticians are going to be targetted at some point if they don't do something.

[hollow zealot]

It's a very competitive industry right now
And what I mean by that is that companies are competing to get employees. Everyone's short one way or another.

[winged yarrow]

That's awesome, we need more electrician's than programmers (I am a programmer). I can't wait to be able to rule as a pro with my custom BabyAGI instance.

[naive chasm]

I won't lie, in the US, it's really tough, but in India, it's really not that tough to become highly profitable

[stoic beacon]

That makes sense, there's probably not as many regulations on small businesses over there.

Over here, you get absolutely wrecked, especially if you live in California, Washington, or Florida

You have to pay a fortune even just to get set up as a business with all the right licenses, forms, etc.

[chrome vector]

I still want to learn how to code

[stoic beacon]

Learn how to "flowchart" code, and then learn how to integrate that with ChatGPT. You'll become a superhero

[winged yarrow]

Practice makes perfect, I recommend you give it a shot just trying to solve a specific task, or do like codeacademy

[summer folio]

It's crazy how Stargate SG1 is far superior to both all Star Wars media & Star Trek combined.

[hollow zealot]

YES

[chrome vector]

I'm going to have to look that up. Heard the term, but I am literally a 0 experience

[stoic beacon]

And Firefly?...

[chrome vector]

ded

[hollow zealot]

If only firefly went on as long as SG1

[stoic beacon]

Flowcharting is just the process of creating a "logic map" that shows what the code should do. It's the spot that ALL programmers should start out with. ChatGPT just makes it easier now.

[winged yarrow]

I wish firefly got resurrected

[stoic beacon]

Gotta buy a lot of screwdrivers for that

[winged yarrow]

Sort of like how COBOL worked lol

[winged yarrow]

What?

[dire roost]

@wispy marsh @chrome vector thanks for the info homies

[stoic beacon]

Linus has joked about how once he gets TRUE "f you" money, he would buy Firefly and revive it

[eager venture]

I’m off to take my ap test. Wish me luck.

[winged yarrow]

ohhhh lol

[hollow zealot]

Drink water

[winged yarrow]

Consume proteins and vitamins

[naive chasm]

I mean cause the govt. wants Indian companies to prosper more, they have been setting up schemes and a general propaganda by the ruling party. The party that is the governing body at the moment here in India, has established such a feeling with their die-hard fans, that every time a common citizen hears the sentence, "Made in India". They'll throw out the product that they are using regardless of how good it was and how bad this indian product might be.

[chrome vector]

What programming language should I actually learn first though?

Programming seems like the most stupidly difficult things to learn. Not because it's the hardest thing to do, but you need to learn it in stupid roundabout ways.

It's obtuse is what I'm trying to say

[stoic beacon]

Learn web development stuff first. Javascript + HTML + CSS.

Go to the Odin Project online, and complete it. It's extremely comprehensive, and it's open source.

[naive chasm]

hmm....makes sense

[winged yarrow]

Depends on what you want to get into. Game development with Unity? C#. Game development with Unreal? C++. Machine Learning? Python. Finance? It depends. Web apps? Javascript/Python.

[stoic beacon]

You could also learn C++, but that's becoming less useful as more and more programs are just web based only

[chrome vector]

Screenshotting this, never heard of Odin project

[winged yarrow]

Learning HTML/CSS is important too.

[naive chasm]

I have started the CS50 course from harvard university, let's see how it goes

[stoic beacon]

Also, join their Discord. There are programmers of all levels there that help people

And they're pretty good about booting toxic people, since the programming community is primarily made up of complete jerkholes

[chrome vector]

I'll try that. And yeah, fuck Stack overflow

[stoic beacon]

Do all of the "intro" stuff as well, even though it might seem goofy...it's actually going to be super important once you get halfway in

[winged yarrow]

I've also not heard of the Odin project. I learned how to code on an old desktop running FreeBSD (cli only) connected to an (illegal) usb wifi tether on a cheap pay as you go phone.

[stoic beacon]

Learning about how the internet actually works, the hardware, etc.

https://www.theodinproject.com

[chrome vector]

That's the problem... I just want to learn how to code, I don't know what I want to do yet.

[winged yarrow]

BACK IN MY DAY I had to climb 3000 stairs just to write a line of code

[chrome vector]

I'm unironically really jealous of people who grew up in the early days of PCs, where you had to learn to code to use the damn thing

[stoic beacon]

The language you learn is irrelevant, as they all function the same way, just with different names for stuff.

The reason why I recommend the Odin Project is because

A. Javascript, HTML, and CSS are the most widely used ones at the moment, because webdev is EVERYTHING to the mobile world.

B. The resource itself is really well made, and will train you to think in the way you need to in order to learn ANY language.

If you learn Javascript, popping out C# for Unity would be easy (but kind of pointless, given the power of Unreal 5...), doing machine learning stuff with python would be simple

[chrome vector]

I am going to start there then. I knew the tiniest bit of CSS from Reddit, but yeah I'm going to start using that or I probably never will.

How hard is it to learn new coding languages after you learn one like Javascript, HTML, CSS?

[winged yarrow]

I mean everything I did was out of an oddly frantic desire to learn it when I was young, not because that's what was required of me.

[stoic beacon]

Think of it in terms of speech. It's much easier to convey that "Bano" in Spanish means bathroom when you already have an English word for bathroom. Getting somebody to understand what a bathroom is when they have no word for it is much harder.

Learn one, then the others are easy.

[winged yarrow]

Well first thing's first, HTML and CSS aren't programming languages. Programming languages describe the logic that data goes through to get from Y to Z. HTML and CSS just describe some of the data for browsers (hierarchy and style, respectively)

[winged yarrow]

Especially hard if you read it as bano instead of baño

[stoic beacon]

I don't have that button on my keyboard

[chrome vector]

Okay, I knew HTML wasn't

[winged yarrow]

Then do what I did and google "n with tilde" and copy it lol

[stoic beacon]

Definitely don't care enough to do that

[stoic beacon]

Hence why Javascript is the one you're after, and why the Odin Project is the best way to learn it. It'll teach you how to reference HTML and CSS as libraries, which is extremely common in all coding languages

[chrome vector]

Okay, makes sense. I'm going to start that, because I really do want to learn how to code. And of course, Google being the stupid company it is, they are shutting down Grasshopper

[stoic beacon]

Grasshopper was literally worthless anyways. It makes you think you're learning, but you aren't.

[chrome vector]

Really? I only used it a tiny bit

[winged yarrow]

Oh gotcha. As far as the actual programming goes, JavaScript. If you're able to understand the fundamentals, then most languages get easier since they normally follow a basic structure. Most languages are based on either C/C++, including JavaScript, so a lot of the skills are transferrable. Every language has tools that help learn that language, as well, so it's mostly about learning the fundamentals.

[stoic beacon]

Going through Grasshopper was like completing sidequests in an MMO. It plays fun music when you're done to make you feel good about yourself, but nothing actually happened.

[winged yarrow]

Sounds like a good time for a programmer that needs a pick me up

[chrome vector]

Oh yeah, I think I remember hearing that. About them being based on it. Isn't C the one that isn't used that much anymore? C++ is supposed to be the really useful but complicated one IIRC. I don't remember what C# is though.

Hopefully I'm able to get this down. While I don't know if I would ever get a job as a programmer if I got good enough, I would still like to know how to do it. Might go to school for computer science soon, idk yet.

[chrome vector]

So it's basically like some of those language apps that many people use for months and months and still can barely speak the language?

[winged yarrow]

C# is closer to Java (which is different from JavaScript) and IIRC it was created with the same style as Java by Microsoft to compete with Oracle or some shit

[winged yarrow]

C and C++ are still widely used, but since they are lower level they are more difficult in general.

[stoic beacon]

Exactly.

To answer your other question, C# is the easier version of C++. I would also wait to check out a CS school until after the AI stuff has settled down, otherwise they won't have integrated it into their curriculum

[chrome vector]

Does lower level mean you have more control over the system or something? Or can do more?

[stoic beacon]

More efficient, effectively

[chrome vector]

Yeah that's a fair point. I still need to get basic classes out of the way first anyways. So I'll have time.

[winged yarrow]

Correct, the higher the level the higher the abstraction from hardware. Python/JavaScript are pretty high level languages.

[chrome vector]

But isn't Javascript supposed to be one of the easier ones to learn? I know a lot of people say start there anyways, obviously including you guys

[winged yarrow]

Or can do more?

Actually I'd argue you can do more faster with higher level languages since you can focus more on general logic, but you can do more to make your code efficient with lower level hardware.

[winged yarrow]

Yes because it's high level (as in high level of abstraction from hardware, making it easy to understand). To put in in perspective, assembly is like the lowest level you can go as a human.

Unless you start handwriting code using electrons

[chrome vector]

Oh! I get what you're saying now, I had it reversed

[stoic beacon]

High Level = Easier to program with and understand.

Low Level = Harder to program with, but programs run faster

[winged yarrow]

Yep! So you can imagine when you're dealing with very low level programming you can really make it efficient, and when you're dealing with higher level programming you're essentially building off of whatever other people put there (as efficient/inefficient as it is) but that makes it possible for you to do way more with data and etc.

[chrome vector]

Wouldn't the lowest level of programming just be binary or something then?

[winged yarrow]

As for which language to learn, it really comes down to:

If you want to do anything with data, machine learning, or science, learn Python.

If you want to create webapps, learn JavaScript.

It's important to note that you can still create any of either of those with each one, but the communities usually shift to one or the other.

[winged yarrow]

Well, it's really tough to code a binary file, once it's been compiled it can get really complicated (basically reverse engineering, which can be done though). Writing in assembly is often converted into hex/binary which you can view as well, so it kinda goes hand in hand.

It's sorta like... The lowest level anybody would want to go to without going into "for clout only" territory

[chrome vector]

Yeah I kinda figured nobody actually does that on a software level, I was just wondering because isn't binary the "machine language"?

[winged yarrow]

And for like 90% of programmers that lowest level is C++ XD

[winged yarrow]

Yeah

[stoic beacon]

To be fair, C++ is screaming efficient compared to Python and a lot of the other ones

[winged yarrow]

I've been learning Rust

For the WASM

But I initially learned C++ way back, although I've been a JavaScript dev for a long time since

[chrome vector]

Yeah it makes sense, at a certain point you'd basically just want to be hardcoding it into the hardware. (I can't think of a term) At that point you're either showing off or doing something very specific.

[stoic beacon]

I started with C, then C++, then C#, then I got into webdev stuff for a bit, but now, I just use Unreal's blueprinting system

I've had to use C++ maybe....twice in Unreal? The built in blueprints cover nearly everything

[chrome vector]

Are you making game stuff or something?

[winged yarrow]

I was wondering how far the blueprints went lol, I have been looking at Unreal as well, I've got some ideas.

[stoic beacon]

I'm a tech lead for a game dev outsourcing company, so when companies don't want to or don't know how to make certain assets for their games or certain programming things, they send it to us

[winged yarrow]

Work on anything we'd know (without breaking NDAs?)?

[stoic beacon]

Yup, it's a good one to learn. Before UE5 came out, we were getting requests for about 60% Unreal and 40% Unity. Now we've had 1 Unity request in the last year compared to nearly 300 Unreal requests

Not counting proprietary engines and stuff

[winged yarrow]

Can't compete with them graphics lol

[stoic beacon]

I mean yeah, we did some stuff for 343, Gearbox, 2k, tons of devs you'd know...we just do so many small things for them that it isn't super relevant

[chrome vector]

Oh okay, that's really cool. So do you have crunch like game devs have at big studios? I have heard the horror stories... Just the stories alone takes out the seeming mystic and fun of being a game dev... Most jobs you have to actually do it to get disillusioned

[winged yarrow]

I've had an idea for a specific arcadey game for a long time I'm looking to implement with it, as an initial project to learn Unreal.

[stoic beacon]

No. That's specifically why I stopped working at a game dev studio. We're basically advanced freelancers, so if we have too much work, we just say no.

That, and the gaming community was so far beyond any levels of stupidity I had ever seen...having the "main dev" company and the publisher as a barrier between us is really nice.

When a community flips out because the laser rifle is two inches longer than it should be, we just say "they told us to make it that long..."

But yeah, crunch is terrible, and kind of pointless.

I will say, from my old coworkers who are still working at specific companies, the ones who use UE5 don't have crunch anymore because it removed about 60% of the work.

[winged yarrow]

Sounds annoying. Also reminds me of the movie The Menu

[stoic beacon]

Thankfully, it removed 60% of the work, but only about 10% of the jobs

[winged yarrow]

Float like a caddilac, sting like a beetle am I right

[stoic beacon]

That's the one about the food, right? Where he goes nuts and kills a bunch of them?

[winged yarrow]

Yeah sort of, but the message of the movie is about striving for "perfection" and the insanity that that brings as well as the self loathing and etc. when no matter what you do, you can never achieve perfection.

Or, one of the messages of the movie at least, there's a couple in there.

[stoic beacon]

Yeah, I could see some of my ex-coworkers struggling with that

[chrome vector]

Yeah I can understand that. Game community can be really, really dumb.

Noodle on YT made a really good video about crunch culture and why it's bad, and then he made a second video responding to comments people made on the first one. Some idiots (hopefully kids who have never worked a day in their life) were actually supporting crunch culture, and basically saying that, "tHe gAmE wOn't Be gOoD wItHoUt cRunCh"

Which, I don't have to tell you is a phenomenally stupid take.

Half the reasons games come out unfinished nowadays is because of publishers, not studios.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS3-iSEwNhs

[stoic beacon]

It's 50% the publishers' fault, 50% the community's fault.

Cyberpunk devs were literally getting death threats when the game was delayed.

[winged yarrow]

The best games have time to be built.

[stoic beacon]

At their personal home addresses and such.

[winged yarrow]

Who sends death threats over a game

[stoic beacon]

Like I said. Least intelligent community I've ever seen.

Also, the fact that the community now measures videogames by $$$/hours of playable content utterly destroyed the industry

[winged yarrow]

You know what, I know a guy that works with my little brother at a local used games shop and I do believe he would be capable of that calibre of stupid.

[stoic beacon]

But 20 years ago, people weren't playing 18 hours of videogames a day

[chrome vector]

Yeah IIRC he also brought that up, I definitely agree. Some people are fucking insane.

I will say that it sucks that it takes such a long time to develop games nowadays with their ever increasing scope in all things from graphics, to acting, to activities, etc. But, you know, I'd rather the people making the games actually be treated like human beings that have a fucking life, not monkeys chained to a typewriter

Much less death threats from the community

[stoic beacon]

It takes less time to make a game now actually, the community is just far more demanding.

Retopology is no longer necessary because of Nanite. Baking lighting is no longer necessary because of Lumen. Asset creation is much faster now that 3DS Max has a huge library of plugins supported

[glass vapor]

do yall think usb c will be mostly standard by 2030?

[chrome vector]

Probably

[winged yarrow]

Some of the best games are the older ones, they just lack the graphics capabilities of new ones. Think I was playing Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy which is like a 2008 game or something and it was a blast.

[glass vapor]

like used for chargers for everything, displays, etc

[stoic beacon]

Ocarina of Time took 2.5 years to develop. Witcher 3 took 3.5 years, and included voice acting, a functional world that was based off of quests and other things that all linked together, plus the graphics difference is...obvious

[glass vapor]

i guess then there would be different tiers of usb c cables, the more expensive ones will be better in all fields

[stoic beacon]

But again, you have to waste more time making a game when players demand that it has 200+ hours of open world filler quests

[glass vapor]

usbc charger charging a tesla lol

[stoic beacon]

Because otherwise, you release a good game that lasts 30 hours, they beat it in two days, and start threatening to kill your children because your game was too short.

[chrome vector]

Really? I get there are more tools now.. But I figured it'd still be harder, I mean when Red Dead 2 came out the graphics were fucking insane, even on last gen consoles.

I can definitely see the community being more demanding, though.

I know somethings have increased though, like with how many games have a huge cast of voice actors, motion capture, etc

[winged yarrow]

I think so, but honestly the fact that USB C has so many different variants already makes me think it won't last as the standard (e.g. some can charge only vs some have data only, some can plug into displays, some can't, etc)

I only hope they get rid of this lack of functionality and finally decide on a true singular standard (still based on a symmetrical shape/ideally the same one, though)

[stoic beacon]

If you haven't already, watch both of the Unreal 5.2 demos, for Meta Animation and the "Tech Demo Presentation." Making Red Dead 2 will take months now, not years.

They're both about 5 minutes long

[chrome vector]

God, yeah that's stupid. I like big games, I also like smaller games.

I would take a single game with the detail of Fallout 1/2/New Vegas over a hundred Fallout 4s with 50 billion radiant quests.

[stoic beacon]

@chrome vector

https://youtu.be/Dj60HHy-Kqk

https://youtu.be/pnaKyc3mQVk

[winged yarrow]

That's why the procedural games the indie devs make are pretty cool, and hopefully that + GPT-based NPCs will help create very unique experiences. Some of the GPT models are even being shrunk down to the point they can run on local machines or edge hardware, so I see it being very probably that within the next few years we'll see it possible to run an AI NPC engine locally.

Currently, though, we'll have to pay a membership fee for the GPT-4 based NPCs, but it's coming.

[glass vapor]

i mean there are already multi purpose ones, so i could see in the future them making a well rounded standard one that is set into a set of levels, each level with it being able to do everything bu tto a higher standard (like level 1 can do 20w charging, transfer data at 10mbps, and display only 1080p 120hz, while idk the highest level one can do 500w charging, display 8k 120hz, and transfer data at gbs per second)

[chrome vector]

I'll definitely watch those in a bit, they seem interesting.

[stoic beacon]

Yup, I think you're correct. Though I have a hard time defending low quality pixel art...I guess it depends on the honesty of the dev

I could see something like Hades being completed in literal weeks with AI powered tools.

[winged yarrow]

Yeah, like Shadows of Doubt has some terrible art imo BUT it's a fantastic concept. I think with tools like metahuman you'll be able to procedurally generate NPCs that aren't shitty pixel art lmao

[winged yarrow]

I guess tiers is okay, like cat5/6/7/etc. Personally I'd prefer if there was just one

[chrome vector]

@stoic beacon Real question though, with the job you're working now, are you getting paid more, less, or about the same than when you worked at regular dev studios?

Not looking for figures, just want to know how it compares to when you worked at a regular studio.

[shut maple]

Yeah uploaded there

[chrome vector]

Hydrating

[stoic beacon]

I get paid more per hour, but less per year. Depends on how many projects we take on

Regular studio = 10-12 hour days, whereas now, it's 4-6 hour days

Granted, those 4-6 hours are extremely intense, but still

[winged yarrow]

I'm guessing you could also choose to extend it if you wanted as well?

[chrome vector]

Okay, that makes sense. Definitely worth it to actually keep your sanity though, at least I think so.

You can only work so many long hours before you get burned out.

[chrome vector]

Shorter intense work is still better than long term intense work though

[stoic beacon]

Yup. When Halo Infinite was coming out, we actually did extend quite a bit, partly because 343 was paying...well lol

[winged yarrow]

that's pretty neat

[chrome vector]

So are you basically one of those studios that would do stuff like work on a remaster or something? You know how companies like Rockstar outsourced the actual job or 'remastering' the game to whatever studio it was. Would you guys do anything like that, or is it more specific work?

[stoic beacon]

More specific than that, because we don't want any responsibility for the art direction, gameplay direction, any of that. They basically say "Well, we thought we could finish this in time, but we can't, can you make these 2,000 models for us?" And then we do

[chrome vector]

Okay, that's pretty cool, I kinda thought so from what you said earlier.

Hey, at least if the game coming out turns out to be shit you get none of the blame

[stoic beacon]

That's the goal...

[winged yarrow]

Do you have any favorites that you worked on, or what's your favorite type of work?

Also since you're (technically) freelance do you accept work from non-AAA devs?

[stoic beacon]

Or even if the game turns out fine. Halo Infinite was hilarious, because the gameplay was really good, but people were mad that the cosmetics weren't free, in a free to play game. And the devs were just going... "Where are we supposed to get paid from then if the game and everything in it is entirely free?"

[glass vapor]

what do you work as?

[winged yarrow]

Duh it's supposed to be a free game

[winged yarrow]

@glass vapor

[stoic beacon]

Favorites have been Infinite, and then three games that haven't been released yet, simply because the UE5 workflow is just so dang fun.

We occasionally do indie style stuff, but not often, because the AAA publishers pay a lot more

[chrome vector]

Don't you realize? Game devs are our dancing monkey slaves. Everything need to be 100% free.

Reminds me of people who get mad at Youtubers over not uploading or doing something different... I'm so sorry the completely free content isn't up to your standards. (Double hilarious if they use ad block)

[winged yarrow]

I use ad block but I also have YT premium

[chrome vector]

Same though. I'm not shitting on people using adblock, just people that show no support for their favorite creators but then also feel entitlement over them

[winged yarrow]

I look forward to learning more of UE5, it does seem like a very enjoyable process (if you're working on something you like)

[winged yarrow]

Little man in the shiny box is my slave

[glass vapor]

@stoic beacon could i ask you some questions about gamedev? im entering my senior year o fhigh school

[stoic beacon]

Yeah, go for it

[glass vapor]

should i focus more on my portfolio for getting a job, or go to college first and get a degree?

[chrome vector]

One other question. Since you're doing more specific work on games like making models and what not. Do you have to code much at your job?

I'm not the most knowledgeable about hardcore game development. I just know in a lot of programs it's more drag and drop art than coding (at least for what I'm specifically thinking of)

[stoic beacon]

Both are necessary, though it depends on where you're planning on going to school. The degree won't help you, but the portfolio you make while earning it will

[glass vapor]

i can work on portfolio while in college but not as much, want to maek vr games

[stoic beacon]

Since we're primarily in UE5 at this point, we just use blueprinting

[glass vapor]

WGU, i can do some classes senior and then apply right after i graduate, so hopefully i could graduate college within a year of graduating high school

[chrome vector]

Okay, I'm going to look into that later, now I'm interested.

I remember awhile ago I downloaded unreal engine 5 (I wasn't expecting to actually do anything with it) and I thought it was really cool, but definitely way over my head.

[glass vapor]

since i dont necessarily need a job, just nice to have money to work with

[stoic beacon]

Also, make sure you learn both UE5 and 3DS Max. Those are the industry standard by a long shot, so make your portfolio using those, along with Substance Painter and Quixel Megascans

There's a guy named Arrimus, he has the best 3DS Max tutorials, but I think they're paid now

[winged yarrow]

Recommendation on UE5 learning materials? Books/Tutorials || Paid/Free?

[winged yarrow]

Damn I can't use Blender?

[glass vapor]

i was thinking freecode camp is decent

[stoic beacon]

Lol, if you're freelancing, then maybe...but it's a lot slower than Max and Maya are

[glass vapor]

for ue5, 12 hours though

[glass vapor]

how much does 3ds max cost?

[stoic beacon]

Honestly, just reading their documentation. It's so well laid out, and it's far better than any YouTube tutorial I've found

[stoic beacon]

It's free until you want to start selling the things you make in it, it says it needs a student email, but it doesn't

[glass vapor]

ah

[winged yarrow]

Fair, I used to know a lot more about Maya but it was back in like 2014 lol. The only actual game dev I did was with YoYo Games Gamemaker before they rebranded (probably 2009-2012?)

("actual" here meaning "any at all")

[glass vapor]

is unity fine to learn as well, if i want to focus on VR

[stoic beacon]

You can learn Unity, but unless they have some magic ace up their sleeve, Unreal just sent them into obsolescence with UE5

Not really worth your time, because then you have to learn C# too...most people want UE5 devs because then they don't need programmers, they don't need as many artists, and they don't need as much optimization

[glass vapor]

damn, i feel there's less vr oriented tutorials for ue5 though

couldn't find one on youtube at least

[stoic beacon]

VR is a small industry, and you don't want to rely on tutorials for learning UE5. You want to read their documentation, like a book.

Learning UE5 for VR is not different than learning it for regular gamedev stuff. The difference between a VR game and a non-VR game in development is major, but at the same time, only requires a few changes in the actual process.

The harder part of developing VR games is thinking "How is this going to work in VR?..."

[winged yarrow]

I'll keep this in mind, although I did end up downloading a book on UE5 lol

[chrome vector]

Okay, but on a scale from 1-10 how would you rate? Am I true game dev?

I still own a copy of this, no idea where it came from. I want to mess with it sometime.

[glass vapor]

https://docs.unrealengine.com/5.0/en-US/ this?

[stoic beacon]

Yes...I'm not kidding, read it like a book, and practice along with what it says

[glass vapor]

alr, thanks for the help

[winged yarrow]

That looks like the type of thing you'd see in Half Price Books on display next to the off-brand PC games

[glass vapor]

i'll get started once i get home, since my laptop definitely can't run ue5

plus i forgot my mouse and the trackpad is broken

[stoic beacon]

Protip #2, don't do gamedev with a trackpad.

[winged yarrow]

My mouse of choice is the Logitech MX Master 3

[chrome vector]

Yeah I think my brother owned it or something. It has cool robots and racing and other stuff you can "make" on the back.

Want to try it sometime just for fun

[stoic beacon]

Nice, I used that one for a while...swapped over to the MX Vertical when I felt my carpal tunnel coming back

[winged yarrow]

I've been feeling it too 😢 I'm too young

[stoic beacon]

Vertical mouse + standing desk was a game changer for carpal tunnel

[winged yarrow]

I do have a standing desk though

Does the MX Vertical still have the infinite scrolling?

[stoic beacon]

No, unfortunately

Would be hard to implement that with it sitting sideways I imagine

[winged yarrow]

Dang, that's like 85% of the reason I got it XD

I gotta be able to scroll to the bottom of documentation or my monolithic ass code

[stoic beacon]

Master 3 is ergonomic enough that it should cause too many issues, so long as you take breaks and stretch

[chrome vector]

Did you know how to code before you became a game dev? Did you make anything game related before you started the job? Like do you make mods for games or anything, or did you before?

I don't know if you even play games or anything now or not

[winged yarrow]

Yes, please send your autobiography.

[chrome vector]

wait a mouse like this? are they any good?

[winged yarrow]

It looks so weird XD

[stoic beacon]

No, I was a carpenter, then an accountant, then a game dev (though I still do accounting stuff on the side)

It looked like fun, so I downloaded 3DS Max and started messing around with it

[stoic beacon]

That one? Probably not. MX Vertical is the only one I've found that actually fits the hand right and isn't garbage build quality

Hence, when you see me going off about finances or game dev stuff...now you know

[winged yarrow]

Ah so tell me, what do you think about the profit potential of my investment in the Cardano cryptocurrency, when it was at $1.97

[stoic beacon]

I don't do crypto stuff lol

Sorry to disappoint

[chrome vector]

Sorry, I was just wondering because I know a lot of people who become game devs want to do it young, go to college, and then end up doing it, some stay some end up doing something else after.

[winged yarrow]

I have high hopes now that it's finally dropped further to $0.38

[stoic beacon]

The reason why a lot of them end up doing something after is because they tried to become game devs because they enjoyed playing videogames.

Enjoying playing games and making them are two different things, and making them requires a lot of work...I had well over 17,000 hours logged into 3DS Max before I got my first real position using it

[chrome vector]

Looks like a decent mouse, might try one sometime. I've heard it's a more natural resting position.

What do you think of trackball mice that were really popular in the 2000's? They have some at my work and I actually forgot that I still like them... Just not for gaming.

[stoic beacon]

Not a fan, not precise enough for the big user interfaces I use

[winged yarrow]

jesus 3ds max is expensive

[glass vapor]

it's an investment

[chrome vector]

[timid meadow]

Trackballs are great for htpc/living room setups. I should get one. Better then always finding a space to use a lasermouse.

[stoic beacon]

Yup. Like I said though, free to use until you start selling stuff from it

[stoic beacon]

Do not do that. If you sell something without the special metadata that they put in the paid version, Autodesk will absolutely destroy you.

[chrome vector]

That's what I was (poorly) trying to get at, but it sounds like you got into it later than a lot of people. Really cool though either way, especially if you enjoy where you're working at now compared to a regular studio.

That's what I was saying earlier about crunch. I think every kid that really like video games ends up saying they want to be a game developer at one point or another.

I am not exceptional to that, but hearing about how bad crunch is, and as you brought up the culture around it (like with gaming community)... It's definitely disillusioned it.

[winged yarrow]

If the trial works like that then I'm down, $235 sounds steep but I'm sure if I get to the point where I'm actually selling something I can justify it lol

[chrome vector]

Oh, no, I agree. I was just saying that for if he wanted to try it. It's like Adobe. A lot of people sail the high seas for it to try it out, and generally Adobe doesn't care..... Until you start going professional

[stoic beacon]

https://www.autodesk.com/education/edu-software/overview?sorting=featured&filters=individual

[winged yarrow]

And you said I don't actually need an edu email right?

Since I'm not a student

[stoic beacon]

No, my nephew used his personal email

[winged yarrow]

Hype

[chrome vector]

Sorry one last question and I swear I'm done

So are you self-taught then? Or did you go to school at all to do game dev work? Sorry

[stoic beacon]

I took a few classes, but mostly self taught

[chrome vector]

Okay, that's cool. I know that plenty of professional coders are self-taught, didn't realize it can be like that for game devs. Either way, thanks for the information about coding/odin project, going to start that!

[small zephyr]

🤔 how much will cheap uphere fans affect temps with my 240mm aio on my r5 1600af?

[chrome vector]

Cheap fans aren't a big deal, people make a bigger deal out of fans than warranted.

However, you want ones maximized for static pressure.

More static pressure = More air being pushed through the radiator

[small zephyr]

🤷‍♂️ i bet they suck at static pressure, however even an 120mm aio was more than capable for my cpu

[night heron]

you can get good fans for cheap if youre okay with them not having rgb

[small zephyr]

so i guess even if that static pressure sucks its prob enough hopefully

[small zephyr]

its was openbox 5 rgb fans

for 20bucks 30bucks unopend box xD

how can an gpu not be compatible?

is it that old?

or do you use your cpu as graphicsscard?

[chrome vector]

If it's these ones they have decent static pressure

[small zephyr]

https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B07VV338MH its theese ones

i mean for like 15years or more all gpus use the same port

[chrome vector]

Yup, same ones, they should be fine

[small zephyr]

like i think mid 2000 i think they changed

[small zephyr]

i got the non rgb ones tho

since i dont have an 5v rgb header anyways i dont care bout that tho xD

[chrome vector]

they have the same static pressure

[small zephyr]

i only got that useless not rainbowpuke but static color 12v header

fuck you msi for giving an mystic lights logo on the box of my mobo if its only the useless one

[chrome vector]

A lot of the cheap fan brands on Amazon are way better than people give them credit for. They're fans afterall, it's not exactly rocket science.

Usually they won't be the quietest, but they're more than passable. Longevity can be called into question, but that can go for the bigger companies too.

It just depends.

[small zephyr]

🤔 for the furture i was thinking of getting some mars gaming argb fans

12bucks a piece however they have pink housing

but i will get argb fans when i got better mobo cpu and case

fuck cable managing 5 rgb fans in my case is gonna be a fucking nightmare i already needa sit on the back panel to close it basicly

[chrome vector]

Yeah I definitely get what you mean, that's what I'm having to do with right now.

Luckily I have options, I have multiple ARGB/fan splitters I want to use them, plus my case came with a controller already on the case, and technically my fans came with them too. I am figuring out tonight how I'm going to do it. My MOBO should have enough things for most, if not all my fans, but I'm going to daisy chain some of them anyways.

[fossil dirge]

I prefer ASRock

ASUS makes good motherboards as well

[small zephyr]

my next motherboard is gonnta be that whitish asus rog strix b550 board

msi sucks kinda

[full fossil]

My last one was a gigabyte
Nightmare

[small zephyr]

if your product can only have one colored rgb say it on the fucking box and stop installing stupid norton everytime i wanna update my bios

[past egret]

rgb is mid anyway

[winged yarrow]

I prefer ultraviolet LEDs

[long briar]

I use RGB because... I like having light

it's set to a warm white at all times

[winged yarrow]

I use UV lights so I can get vitamin D

jk but I'm realizing now that that's actually a good idea

Now my windowless cave can give me sunburns

or skin cancer

tools of the trade

[median idol]

Man speaking of UV, it does look cool but would never use UV coolant personally because well.....

This used to be UV green

[winged yarrow]

But that's not under the UV light right? What does it look like under the UV light now?

[median idol]

This is what it looked like before

[winged yarrow]

interesting

[long briar]

water bis

[sturdy dune]

thats cool, sucks that it browns overtime

[winged yarrow]

it's a good indicator that your pc has evolved into a potato

[sturdy dune]

ooh and with the pattern on the memory, yeah that is definitely a solid build

i really just need to theme my build again tbh. my pc is crazy but its got a "millenial gray" vibe to it

[small zephyr]

i like rgb so much i even brought 4x8gb sticks of ram so it looks better as having 2x16sticks

[winged yarrow]

I wonder if they make cosmetic only ram sticks

[crystal pike]

Screams linus

[small zephyr]

they do but not for the model i got

[winged yarrow]

aww

[small zephyr]

i choose the corsair vengeance rgb rt in white but they only sell em for the vengeance rgb pro's

the pros would have looked bad since the rt's got 10 leds instead of 6 i think the pros combined with another form in general

[winged yarrow]

sometimes in the dead of night when I wake up and the RGBs are just going in their rainbow circle I feel as though I've got a side quest that needs to be completed by activating that item

makes life magical

[small zephyr]

🤔 welp if you set your pc in sleep mode and use icue ram u needa set the hardware settings for it to 0%brightness or it will be on on sleep mode

[winged yarrow]

Oh, no I have it set there on purpose

There's a button for changing the LEDs

I didn't splurge on RGB RAM

[median idol]

Yeah haha... I now use just distilled water with Mayhems Inhibitor+ and Hades+ additives for my loops. Especially maintenance wise as coloured coolant is a pain to work with since it leaves gunk in the blocks and just an overall PITA to clean

[winged yarrow]

Actually got downgraded to a single stick of 16gb (ddr5 tho)

[median idol]

That or clear premix coolant

[fossil dirge]

Windows 11 is a good OS right?

[dusty rune]

yeah sure

[ripe lintel]

Looks terrible visually tho

[dusty rune]

preference

[ripe lintel]

Yeah

The rounded corners suck

[dusty rune]

preference

[ripe lintel]

Still preference

[queen pond]

Should I upgrade my computer to Windows 11 even though it's not officially supported? i7-6700 here. Getting mixed reports online about stability and such.

[forest valve]

Would be a shame if that leaked

[forest valve]

I wouldn't

[ripe lintel]

Widows 10 works fine and is still getting updated, so u can choose, but you should definitely jump ship once it stops getting upgraded

As will I

[dusty rune]

or go w10 ltsc

[dusty rune]

which is what ill probably do

[forest valve]

I would advise against LTSC because it sometime lacks features and compatibility

[dusty rune]

ok, but, W10 :)
other windows :(

[graceful burrow]

Supported until 2025 swap then

No new feature updates from now on tho so like
Nothing new

But security updates till 2025

[forest valve]

I tried LTSC for a while then got sick of the issues and workarounds to use stuff with it so switched to W10 Enterprise

[dusty rune]

like what

[forest valve]

I don't recall but it was enough to make me switch

[dusty rune]

ah

either going LTSC or moving to linux

[forest valve]

Enterprise with most updates and tracking disabled works great

[dusty rune]

or i just will survive without security updates tbh

[forest valve]

That's not advisable

[dusty rune]

much easier though

[forest valve]

It's nice that Ubuntu allows you to register 5 installs for free for their security updates

[dusty rune]

ill prob use mint

[white hearth]

Do gaming moniters come with good hdmi cables? Or do they cheap out o bc it

[graceful burrow]

Kubuntu is my go-to
I just like kde

[white hearth]

on it*

[forest valve]

I use Kubuntu on my laptop and have it themed to look like macOS

[graceful burrow]

Why not just install elementary at that point

[dusty rune]

any cable that supports the res is fine

[median idol]

I've been using Pop OS as my daily and it's been fine for my uses

[forest valve]

Because I'm not configuring my system again when I need it for class

[graceful burrow]

Fair

[forest valve]

Got this in the mail a while ago

Had to sign up online

Younger me defaced it a bit

[dusty rune]

i have a personal vendetta against pop os

[gentle slate]

How reliable is contact exporting on android?

they're getting exported to a file which I'll transfer on my PC.

[wind pulsar]

No idea, I usually just.. let google sync it

[gentle slate]

google root of all evil

[wind pulsar]

Why are you using Android then

[gentle slate]

because

[winged yarrow]

I like Google

[forest valve]

Just did some thinking. If I remember correctly, LTSC is basically almost at the same version as Windows Server 2019 and therefore lacks WSL and a bunch of other stuff that is very useful

[winged yarrow]

Google has my vote for global corporation-government hybrid but I don't think it'll happen since they've been falling off a bit

[gentle slate]

why cant windows see a .vcf file..

[winged yarrow]

What's a vcf file?

[gentle slate]

contact file

[winged yarrow]

Windows is no phone!

[gentle slate]

it has every single contact. It should be used for backups and shit

I dont care its not a phone, why doesnt it acknowledge its existence at all. It shows the folder as empty.

[winged yarrow]

Also, it's just a text file

Oh is it a hidden file or something?

[gentle slate]

that still doesnt explain why it doesnt show up at all.

[stray apex]

eh, they're too complacent

[winged yarrow]

Are you sure it exists?

[gentle slate]

Shouldnt be. Though I have hidden files enabled. And yes, it's visible on the phone

[stray apex]

google has the monopoly issue where there's just no fire anymore

[winged yarrow]

Yeah I'm thinking Apple has a higher chance of getting there currently

[stray apex]

it's like adobe
is their product good?
ehhhh

does it matter if their product is good?
not really

I think apple is too focused on consumer products to really be a government

[fallen cedar]

do you ever feel like your brain is a hamster in a wheel running very hard just for the sake of running very hard but also on the edge of losing control and flying the fuck out of the wheel at 12 times the speed of sound?

[winged yarrow]

Tencent?

[stray apex]

nah, the CCP would never let a tech company challenge them

[winged yarrow]

sorta

[fallen cedar]

excellent

[winged yarrow]

What's the American equivalent of Tencent?

[stray apex]

there's not really a proper equivalent
microsoft, maybe?

[gentle slate]

why does searching for anything related to windows tech support net absolutely useless resulst

[winged yarrow]

I could see Microsoft making some moves. Or Amazon?

[gentle slate]

"vcf file not shown in explorer" "TO OPEN VCF file get this OPEN SOURCE vcf VIEWER!!"

[winged yarrow]

Are you 100% certain the file exists? Does it show up in command prompt? Is the setting for being able to view hidden files enabled?

[slate tulip]

How is everyone?

[gentle slate]

It 100% shows up in the designated folder on the phone.

I even copied it to a different folder, that should 100% show files in it on Windows.

[winged yarrow]

Oh on the phone?

[gentle slate]

so its not some protected folder either

[winged yarrow]

Android?

[gentle slate]

yeah. Old android phone that was my grandmas. Has like 160 contacts

[winged yarrow]

The file structure of an android is pretty wack, you might need to put it into the sd card folder, or out of the sd card folder, or something. You're most likely not in the same folder on the phone.

[gentle slate]

I copied the file to the DCIM folder

[winged yarrow]

If available, I recommend just emailing the vcf file to yourself to make it easier.

[gentle slate]

hmm. Guess I'll login into my email then

[winged yarrow]

Ok but there's like two or three DCIM folders and the android filesystem only mounts one

[gentle slate]

But only one would keep the photos stored ye?

[winged yarrow]

Sure

Maybe

[winged yarrow]

I'm pretty swell, you?

[slate tulip]

Hanging in there, thanks!

just busy busy busy

and what's with the ridiculously long message timeouts?

[winged yarrow]

10 seconds isn't too long, just gotta condense your messages down. It's a spam-prevention tactic.

[slate tulip]

it's still annoying, spam-prevention or not

[shut violet]

It’s not annoying at all

[slate tulip]

giving something purpose doesn't make it less annoying. Seat belts have purpose - they are still annoying

[shut violet]

How is a seatbelt fucking annoying

[fallen cedar]

living is annoying

[slate tulip]

because I'm 6'2", and they very often lock up on me when I move slightly wrong because they aren't long enough

especially when I'm riding in the backseat of someone's car and the belts are designed for much smaller people

[shut violet]

That sounds like a personality problem you need to alter. Stop being so tall

[slate tulip]

😆

[rare zenith]

I'm 6'4" and they're fine for me, usually just leg room

[dark spruce]

next large government document leak should be on this server

[slate tulip]

to be honest, being tall is annoying. 6'2" is just tall enough that I don't fit in some things well - some doorjams are too short, cars harder to get in and out of, etc. but it's no where near tall enough to be an asset. I'm not qualified to be amazing at basketball with no skill just because I'm tall

[rare zenith]

Yes

[dark spruce]

@full fossil may allah guide you

[full fossil]

@dark spruce I hope They guide me to a source of giving a shit

[rare zenith]

I'd love to just be 5'4 rather than 6'4 cause at least I fit in things and clothes shopping isn't hell

[full fossil]

Just pick 5’9”, right in the middle!

(I didn’t do the math)

[slate tulip]

admittedly, I have less issue when I'm driving and in my own car. But like, road-tripping with some buddies and I get stuck in the back seat? Any slight move and the belt locks up until I completely remove it

[rare zenith]

Just sleep the whole time lol

[full fossil]

Man I’m 5’7” and my head touches the roof in the back seat

[rare zenith]

How small is your car?

[slate tulip]

I do sometimes 😂 Sometimes they get grumpy - I'm supposed to keep them awake! lol

[winged yarrow]

Most annoying thing for me in someone's car is the top of my head hitting a sharp ass handle

[winged yarrow]

Same, I bet my back would feel better. Although I'd look a lot fatter

[slate tulip]

Why do you know people with ass-handles?

[winged yarrow]

Sharp-ass

[full fossil]

Virgin media just installed fibre into the basement flats and I'm going to get 1Gb/s

[slate tulip]

https://xkcd.com/37/

[full fossil]

I'm going from 500KB/s

[slate tulip]

Nice! Just be careful

[winged yarrow]

Nice XD I love xkcd

[slate tulip]

I used to have 1Gb/s internet....
now I have a 10Gb/s LAN and 2Gb/s internet

[full fossil]

Why not just do 2.5gb/s rj45?

[slate tulip]

ironically, much more expensive

[full fossil]

Seriously?

[slate tulip]

there's a lot of used enterprise hardware for 10Gb/s internet if you use SFP+ instead of RJ45

there's almost zero market for enterprise 2.5Gb/s network gear

[full fossil]

Is SFP+ more delicate?

My flat isn't wired up for ethernet and there's only one port

[slate tulip]

nah, but it's maybe a little more complicated, and not good support on consumer hardware. My latest desktop, I bought a motherboard with on-board 10Gb/s, but all desktop motherboards with 10Gb/s only have RJ45

[gentle slate]

bah I just backed up my grandmas contacts to my phone

[slate tulip]

so I have to use an expensive (and hot!) SFP+ to RJ45 adapter

[gentle slate]

I now have 200 contacts. 🧌

[slate tulip]

but SFP+ is more flexible since it's just a format to plug modules into. Those modules can be various types of fiber, or RJ45

[last solstice]

I am tired

[slate tulip]

so, you can go buy a 48-port used enterprise managed switch with 10GbE SFP+ for a few hundred dollars on ebay

[last solstice]

Gggdewww

[slate tulip]

the catch being that you'd have to learn how to configured and manage said switch

[full fossil]

I need duel 10GB/s ports. One wired to my NAS and the other to my router. Would SFP+ be the way?

[slate tulip]

I'd recommend this as your best bet for small amounts of 10Gb/s:
https://mikrotik.com/product/crs305_1g_4s_in

[last solstice]

Give me a funeh compooter cmfact

[slate tulip]

usually can be bought for under $150, has 4 SFP+ (10Gb/s) ports, and can be powered with PoE

[full fossil]

The issue is that I often am pulling way over 10Gb/s from the internet and my nas

So I would be bottlenecked

[slate tulip]

you are getting over 10Gb/s internet?

[full fossil]

Just a compatibility thing

Future proofing

I'll get 10Gb when it comes available

[fossil frost]

im 6ft4, i fit into clothes and cars and everything else, just fine

[full fossil]

I've been thinking of getting this, would it be a good idea? https://www.scan.co.uk/products/2-port-intel-x550-t2-ethernet-converged-10-gigabit-pci-e-network-adapter-oem

[rare zenith]

Cars are fine except my mom's car, but I'm also a woman so...

[slate tulip]

I'm sorry, but I'm a bit confused now. I doubt you are getting 10Gb/s internet, so 10Gb/s should be fine. You'd need a 10Gb/s router anyway

[rare zenith]

I've just learned to get things that are like too wide for me and that works despite looking a little weird sometimes

[slate tulip]

Intel NICs are generally great choices, but I'm a bit biased ;)

@fossil frost how goes?

[fossil frost]

or just accept that things in your size are always gonna be too short, but fit well

[full fossil]

The startek ones with their black pcbs are really sexy tho but like double the price lol

[rare zenith]

Lol no

It's fine like this just not ideal

[fossil frost]

going ok, made my CTO look like a tit in front of my CEO last week, by doing a project he spent 2 hours trying to do, in 15 minutes

[slate tulip]

LOL. Hopefully that doesn't come back to bite you

[slate tulip]

Eh. If you are going 10GbE, you care about the network performance, not the looks

[fossil frost]

nah, CTO thought it was funny/impressive that i could knock out a chat bot, fronted with voice to text, with bot framework and azure cog services... inside 15 minutes, and he couldnt figure it out in twilio 😄

[full fossil]

That's fair lol

[slate tulip]

you should either make sure you have a flat network, or you have hardware that can route at 10Gb/s though. I'm running an OpnSense appliance which is both my router to the internet, and also doing inter-vlan routing

[full fossil]

It took 3 hours to find a matx board with enough space for a 2 slot card + a nic + a AE-9 lol

[slate tulip]

https://shop.opnsense.com/product/dec2750-opnsense-rack-security-appliance/

Yeah, I just ended up going with an appliance after hours of searching and not finding anything

[full fossil]

Thanks for the info

[full fossil]

Does Luke have legs

[sullen lodge]

the number 87 looks like phineas

[slate tulip]

Who? Skywalker? Yes, he only lost a hand

[slate tulip]

What is a "Phineas"?

[sullen lodge]

from the show phineas and ferb

[slate tulip]

oh. Idk anything about that

[summer folio]

Just watched the Apple TV series(Arrr! 🏴‍☠️ ) "Severence", was pretty ok.

it's about not taking work home with you

[wind pulsar]

(He also lost both his legs)

He lost his right arm in empire strikes back and lost his left arm and both his legs against obi wan

[velvet folio]

hey guys , should i buy an Nvidia tesla k40?

it's 90 dollars where i live , is it a good deal?

[vestal island]

Obsession's pulling me
Fading, I've come to take what's mine

[manic torrent]

uhh that was anakin

[wind pulsar]

That is great

You can tell I hate Star Wars considering I skip the details

So then yes, he only lost his right arm

Anakin was the guy who got done good

[shut violet]

Haha excellent

[slate tulip]

wasn't that Anikan?

oh, oops, you guys already did that 😛

[spring drum]

💀

[wind pulsar]

For some reason Luke Skywalker and Anakin Skywalker are the same person to me

[slate tulip]

haha, fair enough

[wind pulsar]

In my incredibly developed and smooth as a quantum mirror brain there just doesn't exist two Skywalkers, idk why

[slate tulip]

but smooth is pretty!

[idle nymph]

Thats pretty much the same for everyone that dont watch star wars

[vapid smelt]

you can order a wife online

[rose wadi]

huh

[wanton jewel]

nvm 😂

[vapid smelt]

pre recorded message

[rose wadi]

why delet

[wanton jewel]

cause it isnt i realized its a timer

[rose wadi]

still feels prerecorded ngl

[wanton jewel]

i mean the donos are like 10-20 mins behind maybe?

[full fossil]

No Luke from lmg

[autumn pilot]

What is the desk or the brad?

[low rain]

Are y’all gonna watch gt when it comes out?

[wanton jewel]

Unevn

[small zephyr]

🤨 okay gta v is realy badly optimized compared to RDR2 considering i can use way higher settings with much higher frame rates on red dead

[fallen cedar]

what

[autumn pilot]

bro its 2,790.00

[small zephyr]

gta on maxed settings i get like 60-70fps and red dead is like 90-120

[wanton jewel]

are you playing multiplayer or story mode?

[fallen cedar]

rdr2 is a massively more demanding title, GTA 5 ran on a fucking xbox 360

[small zephyr]

mostly single player

[fallen cedar]

well, "ran", it worked

[wanton jewel]

cap your fps to 120, the engine doesent go higher than that or else you will get massive stutters when driving/running around

[manic forge]

Even Call of Duty Black Ops 3 is on 360

[small zephyr]

mkay just saw an graphical glitch in red dead, if you run in water in the first chapter when its snowing you get huuge white squares as water drops xD

[small zephyr]

welp sometimes games are good optimized for launch while the later releases suffer

[fallen cedar]

fifa 17 got released on the 360, like its not a very demanding game but why

[small zephyr]

didnt they make like till fifa 19 or something or even higher on ps3?

[manic forge]

Maybe for people who still had only a 360 at the time?

[fallen cedar]

dawg gta runs on everything you just to make sure you dont excede the engine fps stutter limit

[fallen cedar]

ah good point dindt think of that

[small zephyr]

🤔 i think gta may have worse fps cuz more cars and npcs and stuff and more populated in general

[manic forge]

GTA V got updates and now older PCs have texture problems like things disappear and reappearing

[vapid smelt]

poor people should just buy 4090s

[full fossil]

Just found a used working quest 2 for 75 bucks

[manic forge]

Well I’m talking about 2007 PCs or whatever people still have or want to have

[manic torrent]

people should have thought of that before they had shitty PCs

[manic forge]

I still have PCs from 2007

[full fossil]

I still use an xp pc

[tepid bolt]

Are you running a 8800gtx?

[full fossil]

Nvidia 256

[vapid smelt]

gt 420

[manic torrent]

sucks to be you

[tepid bolt]

gt 210

[vapid smelt]

nvm gt 420 is 2010

[manic forge]

No I am a tech nerd who likes collecting

[tepid bolt]

Why is the gt 210 still for sale

[full fossil]

Why tf not

[tepid bolt]

It's worse than iGPUs from 2010

[manic torrent]

yes but if you expect them to work with up-to-date games, that's on you

[manic forge]

I don’t but GTA V is from 2013-15 let’s say so that’s If I want to try that one

[full fossil]

I got a 2009 iMac to run minecraft 1.19.4 at 26 fps

[manic forge]

I have an early 2009 iMac 20” also

High five

[full fossil]

I like old pcs

[manic forge]

You can upgrades these to 8 gb ddr3 and an ssd

[full fossil]

Ik

[manic forge]

This is my 2009 iMac: https://valid.x86.fr/66qswk

Ok it has an ssd in it now I need to update the specs

[small zephyr]

i dunno its like the question why linus did the 1030 video

somehow they manage to sell, welp i gues its mostly for pc's that are just for browsing the web or do word and exel stuff

[manic forge]

Entertainment center or emulation pc is maybe why they sell?

[small zephyr]

they were never designed to be gamed on to be honest

i mean even my old gt8600 could play games like borderlands 2 etc without problems and i bet an 1030 will kinda have the same performance at least similar xD

[tepid bolt]

Well depends on which gt 1030

[vapid smelt]

1030 is a gaming card

[tepid bolt]

The gddr5 version performs like a 750ti

[echo canopy]

wtf is even the purpose. anything that would run well on it could prob run on intel UHD or vega igpus. You cant even use it as a plex card as it has no media engine. Its just a stupid card

[vapid smelt]

also a r5 5600g 😛

[tepid bolt]

True

[small zephyr]

okay nvidia smoked some real bad shit to consider it an gaming card

[manic forge]

It can do some games, they are right on that

[tepid bolt]

Honestly if it's the gddr5 version it's doable

The ddr4 version is a whole different world of suck

[small zephyr]

🤷‍♂️ you can even play games on old af cards like gt8600 but considering the time the first 1030 came its kinda embarassing

[tepid bolt]

What can you even play on a gt8600

[manic forge]

Games a bit after or before the time

[small zephyr]

borderlands 2 on high settings for example

[manic forge]

Maybe Cuphead might work

[small zephyr]

until i got an 650 i used the 8600 for years

dang i hated my 650

[tepid bolt]

Borderlands 2 runs on intel hd graphics 💀

[small zephyr]

was a fucking garbage card that only had stupid mini hdmi and vga

[manic forge]

I have a 550ti and it has mini hdmi and dvi

[small zephyr]

it was at times where i wasnt able to order shit online... it took me a week and 20 stores to find a fucking mini hdmi cable

there was enough space to fit like 4 full size hdmi's so why a fucking mini hdmi

[vapid smelt]

maybe it was cheaper

[small zephyr]

when i finaly got that stupid cable it at least ran great

[echo canopy]

< 1 USD of a difference, probably a few cents even

mini HDMI also has questionable durability even compared to DP mini

[small zephyr]

sometimes it feels like the companys that do that stuff just wants to fuck us over

welp ppl should stop buying nvidia stuff for an generation or two

[vapid smelt]

invest in arc

[small zephyr]

all the shit they are doing atm just sucks, like when the shortage was selling pallets of gpus to miners or ship less cards to artificially increase prices etc

[echo canopy]

they wont because DLSS and FOMO for upscaling and stable diffusion

[echo canopy]

Intel does not need our pitty money and i would like functional drivers on windows before id personally do that

[fallen cedar]

intel definitely needs some money 😄

[small zephyr]

intel gpu's will still need a couple of gen to be able to be competive

[south lava]

yo where can i upload files, i made a commemeration vid of linus cus he da best youtuber ever

[echo canopy]

they are already competitive at the low end except in power draw [1]
[1] if its a vulkan game, DX12, or intel enabled DXVK in the driver for the game

[small zephyr]

🤷‍♂️ never say the best you dont know what the future holds

[thorny thunder]

[manic torrent]

yeah nah. The DRIVERS needed a few gens.... which they have got.

[tepid bolt]

Intel doesn't use DXVK their proprietary translation layer translates to DX12 not Vulkan

However DXVK will give better results most of the time

Either way the low end Radeons are still a better value in most markets

[echo canopy]

Wrong, they use DXVK for DX9 and i think they might have enabled it for other DXs
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/12/intel-using-dxvk-part-of-steam-proton-for-their-windows-arc-gpu-dx-9-drivers/

I believe the translation layer (when not using DXVK) they use is also by microsoft?

[tepid bolt]

Ok so it looks like at one point it did emulate DX9/10/11 to DX12 but sometime during the end of 2022 they switched to DXVK

Very cool Intel

[echo canopy]

they still emulate dx10/11 on dx12

[full fossil]

oh my god if my math is correct ltt makes almost $30m a year from sponsorships and floatplane
nevermind the ltt store

[tepid bolt]

It's just DX9 that's DXVK?

[echo canopy]

afaik yeah

[echo canopy]

I would like to see them actually contribute to the DXVK project if they're gonna use it at least.

[tepid bolt]

I'd rather have them add hardware support for older DX versions

atleast dx11

[slate tulip]

I’ll take it, thanks!

[echo canopy]

you dont need hardware support for DX, you just need fucking drivers
the issue is they dont exist for arc

[tepid bolt]

Not true

[slate tulip]

[echo canopy]

no, they dont need my pitty money

[slate tulip]

I do

Gib money pls

[echo canopy]

like what?

[tepid bolt]

AMD's RDNA cards switch to a "GCN" mode for older DX versions

[slate tulip]

Also, AMD and Nvidia took ages to get good drivers. We’ll get there

[tepid bolt]

As for Nvidia I'm not sure how they do it

Well Intel has had integrated graphics for ages

[echo canopy]

Uh, sause?

[echo canopy]

AMD had drivers and most of the issues with them were windows only. intel literally does not have a driver for dx9-11 for arc gpus

[slate tulip]

tbf, when they started making GPU drivers, they didn't have decades worth of direct x that needed supporting either

Like I said - we'll get there.

[tepid bolt]

https://www.amd.com/system/files/documents/rdna-whitepaper.pdf

[slate tulip]

Arc works great on modern games with modern DirectX

[tepid bolt]

They've been making GPU drivers for over a decade now though

iGPUs need drivers too

[echo canopy]

yep.

[slate tulip]

I'm aware ;)

but not for Arc

[tepid bolt]

Arc just has no hardware support for older DX versions

[long briar]

what's arc but an iGPU with big power budget

[tepid bolt]

Which is why it struggles compared to competitors

[tepid bolt]

No that's the Intel Xe graphics

[long briar]

ehe

I'm just salty that intel Arc has one of the cleanest shrouds with the Gunnir A770 white

[slate tulip]

why be salty? Intel rocks

[long briar]

I'm salty that every other AIB for Amd and nvidia are going for either full edgelord designs or an egg

[slate tulip]

I can't wait until we release GPUs to compete with the 4090 and I can get that sweet discount

[echo canopy]

You dont need hardware support for all features. You can emulate them in software/however the native hardware actually handles it.
Thats why older gpus that straight up lack hardware acceleration for features in modern DX support DX12

[tepid bolt]

Just wait for the 5070ti only $999

$600 discount les gooooo

[slate tulip]

I don't get a discount on nvidia GPUs though

anyone here work for nvidia?

[tepid bolt]

Mark does

[slate tulip]

great - is he hiring? How's their employee discount? 😛

[tepid bolt]

He doesn't get a discount but he gets to "borrow" cards

[slate tulip]

oh. That's disappointing

we get an almost 50% discount on CPUs

[echo canopy]

who do you work for?

[slate tulip]

[tepid bolt]

He works at Intel

[slate tulip]

lol, have you not been paying attention to the conversation we just had? 😛

[rich mauve]

What to do if people beside us are drunk as hell

[strong kettle]

like all products? pentium to core i9?

[slate tulip]

nah, usually just the last few gens are in stock

[strong kettle]

so 12900KS?

[echo canopy]

I reread it and i dont see where you said you worked for intel

[slate tulip]

there's other products too, like some storage, sometimes random motherboards and stuff - but not at as good of a discounts. They had a samsung NVMe last time I looked it was $1 less than the Amazon discount

[slate tulip]

I mean, I did say "we" a few times ;)

[echo canopy]

oh, in the 4090 comment

[slate tulip]

I'd have to look. Depends on what's in the stock. Last few servers I built were a gen 10 i9k, a gen 11 i7, and a gen 13 i7k

[echo canopy]

does that mean you can get a 12100f for like 60usd? lol

[low rain]

am i the only one who cant leave people on read or delivered?

[slate tulip]

I don't see one. Cheapest CPU in stock atm is an i5 13500 for $130

[echo canopy]

damn thats nice

[slate tulip]

there's some 11th gen procs, but not 11th gen i5s or lower. IIRC, they just don't stock older gens when they run out when the new ones are available

still waiting for the 13900k, put a non-k in my new desktop since it's taking forever to stock

got the non-k 13900 for $293

[strong kettle]

thats a steal

[echo canopy]

brb gonna get a job at intel to buy out the rest of their stock of optane

[slate tulip]

what do you do? I need some teammates 😛

[echo canopy]

Why did they have to kill it off

[echo canopy]

nothing lmao im 17

i just happen to be in the know about computers and programing as a hobby

[tepid bolt]

You can just remove the boost and power limits in bios and get identical performance to a stock 13900k

[slate tulip]

damn, well hurry up! 😛

[tardy terrace]

is that a bet you little goblin

sorry, code goblin

[slate tulip]

you added wheels?

[echo canopy]

hey while you're here can you tell me what codecs floatplane uses? just interested

[slate tulip]

dammit, he deleted it right as I replied

[tardy terrace]

damn him

Actually, curious- Ajax, how hard is it backend-wise to do auto-gen captions?

[manic torrent]

Nothing is THAT hard. it's hard to make it work properly. A sufficiently skilled person could get a functional demo in a day or 5

depends how many yaks you have to shave

[tardy terrace]

I've got 4 to go, after that 17 sheep, a cow, and then 3 gerbils.

Now I want to make a realistic fake fur brand called Gerbil Fur

"You won't believe how many gerbils were harmed in making these products!!"

[manic torrent]

https://www.techtarget.com/whatis/definition/yak-shaving

[tardy terrace]

No I know the saying, I was just taking it to a silly direction

[manic torrent]

I've shaved a few yaks in my time

[small zephyr]

i only shaved some sheeps

xD

[steady path]

Was that livestream ended that early intentionally?

[small zephyr]

dunno i kinda dont like wan show to be honest so i never watch it

[manic torrent]

not wan show, the build

[thick tapir]

Colton must’ve switched off the mains

[short crest]

It was Microsoft ensuring he didn't get to play on it.

[small zephyr]

ah lol xD i watch em after they are done cuz i can skip the long talks to the floatplane guys or merch messages

[ripe pawn]

Last 5 seconds - it was a pretty epic ending: https://www.youtube.com/live/k-T8L-WIGXQ?feature=share&t=9993

[small zephyr]

its kinda hard concentrating that long

[ebon tree]

it couldn't have been more perfect tbh

[slate tulip]

I don't think I've ever shaved anything. Or ever seen a Yak

[thick tapir]

You will log in four times, and you will LIKE it!

[small zephyr]

so you are gandalf or dumbledore?

[mild pike]

will they go live again?

[slate tulip]

lol

*any other thing

I.E. something not myself - sheep, yaks, cows, etc

[manic torrent]

find out on the next amazing episode

[fallow lake]

He used a 7000X3D CPU with an ASUS Am5 motherboard. Probably exploded

[stiff rapids]

They should tweet anything I’m sure it would get a ton of impressions

[fallow lake]

gamer nexus just did a video the other day on how badly ASUS's motherboards handle that CPU and cause the CPU to hit 200C

[small zephyr]

wasnt it mostly only when it failed to boot but still is feeding power to the cpu?

[fallow lake]

i think something failed first and then the bootloop happened iirc

[mild pike]

of linus blowing lmg up

[fallow lake]

i had actually just tuned into the stream and saw linus worrying about the CPU temps before the stream crashed as he ran cinebench

[vapid smelt]

ew youtube pop up

[mild pike]

why not "too many ads"?

[fallow lake]

too many youtube popup surveys

not me, i use adbock

[wraith sonnet]

I just lost the game

[mild pike]

tbh i dont notice it cause i use an ad block extension but i have noticed today while messing with my server that with adguard it doesnt block any ads on youtube

[fallow lake]

loser

[vapid smelt]

noob

[fallow lake]

git gud

newpipe

[full fossil]

you guys are shit man hahaha

[fallow lake]

also, firefox mobile with ublock

[full fossil]

[mild pike]

i dont actually notice it on mobile but i mostly watch shorts there too so yeah

true

[hollow pulsar]

Ads are served from the same domain as youtube. DNS blocks won’t cut it.

[small zephyr]

fuck crasheing into ppl with your horse in red dead throws you off it and kills it dang poor me

[full fossil]

skill issue

[mild pike]

i switched from tiktok to insta to finally youtube cause it just had better content that was directed at me tho i still get some random videos that are like so confusing

[mild pike]

oh okay so there's nothing i can do against it when using something like pihole or adguard?

[hollow pulsar]

Correct.

[mild pike]

damn

good to know tho

[slate tulip]

It will if you block the domain smart.gif

[hollow pulsar]

Browser-based and MITM adblocking still works though.

[mild pike]

lmao

[slate tulip]

Who needs youtube, am i right?

[mild pike]

yeah been using ublock origin and has been going great

[full fossil]

Woke up at 1:29am because of a nightmare

[vapid smelt]

are you 4?

[mild pike]

stay awake the whole night and make it a daymare!

follow for more life saving tips

[full fossil]

I'm 15, hasn't happened in like 8 years

Was vivid memories of my old house

[mild pike]

damn 8 years? i had a nightmare like a few months ago

[slate tulip]

can’t afford afford food? Don’t eat! You’ll save money for the rest of your life

Oh, you said life saving, not “savings for life” - oops

[mild pike]

LMAO

i mean that works too

[cerulean saffron]

does anyone use whatsapp here? Web keeps logging out after browser restart for no reason but phone still shows logged in. Started happening few hours ago

[mild pike]

do u use the beta web client?

[median escarp]

beta what/

[cerulean saffron]

No... also it's happening only on chrome, not firefox (just tested)

[mild pike]

oh okay then idk cause i only use firefox

[vapid smelt]

blue names dont get nightmares

[tardy terrace]

wtf yes i do

[median escarp]

ublock origin on pc

[tardy terrace]

i semi-regularly have stress dreams where i lose all my teeth

[mild pike]

yeah theres a beta but seems like i opted out (i used it so that i can use whatsapp web without having my phone on me)

[median escarp]

revanced on android

[mild pike]

damn

[median escarp]

not first time , why dont they add login

seems they can't believe people can use whatsapp mainly on pc

1-0 win for apple