public-chat

[stray apex]

you'll want specific applications ideally

[barren kindle]

anyways i still need ur guyss opinion

[full fossil]

As with all things, it depends on the workload and also on what you are pairing it with, if you can climb up a tier on the GPU side by going with a little cheaper chip that's usually a good option for gaming

[urban yoke]

i think they should work? sorry i’m not actually familiar with these things, and my google-fu seems to be failing me a bit

[full fossil]

Yoghurt, buy a Mac

[pearl hill]

Tried google like hell and even found a site where I asked in their Help chat. They asked if I was a Company Customer and I said no, just private and then they changed and would not help me...

[minor rivet]

can someone suggest me a hardcore/intense free antivirus?

[full fossil]

You are better off asking on the forum tbh about enterprises level gear

[barren kindle]

I REFUSE

[stray apex]

Windows defender + not clicking suspicious links

[urban yoke]

yeah that sounds like hp

[full fossil]

I hope you know I was being sarcastic yoghurt

[minor rivet]

:/

so windows defender is the best free av?

[stray apex]

I mean, a MacBook pro will genuinely be excellent for editing in 4k

[minor rivet]

i just want to do a full system scan

[pliant sphinx]

It isn't even av at this point

[full fossil]

IK I'm even thinking about grabbing one for editing and I am not an apple fan

[pliant sphinx]

More like "don't fcking click it"

[manic torrent]

goddamn. new rc speed record, 214mph

[minor rivet]

lol

[barren kindle]

first of all, its YOGURT... WITHOUT THE h, all you damn british people and your bo'oh o' wa'er

jkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjk

[manic torrent]

• If you are using supported codecs

[barren kindle]

im using h.265

[full fossil]

Im dyslexic and reply on autocorrect...

[barren kindle]

oh ok sorry :D

[full fossil]

no worries

[barren kindle]

whats a good mobo price these days

[pearl hill]

Ya, hard to find info. All the tapes I got with the Machine is never used, even sealed. They like 35$ per tape aswell.. Got 30 of them tapes. I can try 1 but so dump if it doesnt work..

[full fossil]

it's too high (meme)

[stray apex]

Around 150 usd on a budget

[mild elm]

for what

[barren kindle]

am5 with WIFI... and cool rgb

[mild elm]

250

[barren kindle]

oh ok thanks

[mild elm]

you can get without rgb for much less

[barren kindle]

it also need ddr5 support

[full fossil]

Whats the total budget, I joined late

[barren kindle]

all the ones im finding are 500+

[mild elm]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YZgFf7/gigabyte-b650-gaming-x-ax-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-gaming-x-ax

[barren kindle]

3.5k AUD

[barren kindle]

thanks bro

[mild elm]

since you're in australia, https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/cRQcCJ/msi-pro-b650m-a-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-pro-b650m-a-wifi

[barren kindle]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/RYPQXy

thoughts?

[mild elm]

for what

[full fossil]

hmmm... decent, although depending on the file format, bitrate and length 2tb may be limiting for 4k editing

[blissful drum]

hey. can anyobody help me with some java code perhaps?

[mild elm]

just regular gaming?

[barren kindle]

4k60 video editing

[barren kindle]

what if i did 500gb ssd 5tb harddrive

[full fossil]

Naa bad idea

500gb NVMe and a 2+tb sata SSD?

HDDs too slow for 4k, trust me, I tried

[barren kindle]

lmao ok thanks

[full fossil]

BX500 I would suggest for a sata SSD

[barren kindle]

i was just gonna get a barracuda compute but ill check it out

[full fossil]

Noooo not seagate

They are... less than reliable

[barren kindle]

oh ok...

[full fossil]

If you really wanna go HDD get a WD black preferable, or a blue 7200k rpm

[urban yoke]

wait what’s wrong with seagate

[full fossil]

But you will not be able to use it as a scratch disk

[barren kindle]

theyre pretty reliable from my experience 😭

[full fossil]

If they last they last, but a concerning number of them die very young, like in the hundreds of hours age

[barren kindle]

ill take that risk dude $69 for 2tb is too good

[full fossil]

A DW blue should be able the same cost

and it has a larger cache

[mild elm]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/x7rR2m @barren kindle

[barren kindle]

whats the difference between sata ssd and hdd???

[full fossil]

SSD is FAR FAR Faster

[mild elm]

upgraded cpu and 4tb nvme

[urban yoke]

hate to be that person but could you provide a source? this is the first i’m hearing of this

[full fossil]

Looking at the drive failures by the manufacturer, Backblaze noted that Seagate leads the pack, with Toshiba in second place. That's not to say that Seagate hard drives are less reliable. On the contrary, the company's Seagate drives are substantially older than the other vendors. Furthermore, Backblaze explained that Seagate drives are typically cheaper, although their failure rates are higher in the environment where they operate. Nonetheless, the failure rate isn't significant enough to turn the drives into less cost-effective options over their lifetime.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/backblaze-hdd-failure-rates-2022

They fail more often, with that said, they are cheaper and if they do go, they go far

[barren kindle]

do i just get a sata 970 evo 2tb then??

[mild elm]

get the 4tb a440

[full fossil]

P.S. I run all seagates atm I only learned about it recently

[full fossil]

DRAM cache? If so then I agree go for that

[barren kindle]

what in the world is a dram cache

[full fossil]

It's a small amount of RAM on an SSD without it, they don't perform all that well

[full fossil]

the a440 looks good to me tbh 4tb at that, good find

[mild elm]

not true

[tulip dew]

Guys I have a small question to ask. Is it worth going from Palit Gamerock 3080 to a Sapphire Nitro+ SE 6900xt if I'm paying a difference of 70 bucks. My main use for it is gaming at 1440p

[tired glade]

Do we have data on enterprise SSD?

[mild elm]

its not absolutely necessary

[full fossil]

For video editing... it kinda is

especially if you are running your OS on the same drive

[mild elm]

fair

[full fossil]

but the drive seems good to me

[barren kindle]

is it cheaper to get 3tb nvme ssd or 500gb nvme 2tb sata ssd

[full fossil]

get the 4tb... jeez

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/d392FT/teamgroup-t-force-cardea-a440-pro-4-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fpr004t0c129

[barren kindle]

oh ok thanks

$500??! gawd damn

[full fossil]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/x7rR2m this list made by nick

[barren kindle]

IVE DONE IT

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/YD4Z6r

[mild elm]

what a waste of money

[barren kindle]

oh...

[full fossil]

this is literally worse than the list nick made...

[mild elm]

that whole build is silly

[barren kindle]

T-T

ok yall need to tell me why im so lost

[full fossil]

Better CPU and storage on the one nick made

[barren kindle]

yea but i want it to look nice as well

[full fossil]

...

[mild elm]

why

[barren kindle]

its gonna be sitting on my desk all nice and pretty

[mild elm]

look at your monitor instead

[barren kindle]

this the first build ive ever done😭

[full fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-ight-imma-head-out-bye-gif-14924635

[mild elm]

good to know ive been helping someone like him

👋

[barren kindle]

bro i just want it to look nice :(

is that such a crime

[full fossil]

Looks are subjective, performace isn't. But...

At the end of the day, it's your cash, it's up to you what you buy. We are just telling you there is a better way. But seriously I gotta get to work

[barren kindle]

oh ok thanks for ur help byee

[full fossil]

Have a good day everyone

[barren kindle]

is it really that bad tho???? i feel like its pretty decent

[mild elm]

it is 400 AUD more, for 62.5% of the storage and 4 fewer cores

[full fossil]

one last note, AIO watercoolers are much less reliable and fail much quicker than air coolers

[mild elm]

sounds like a pretty bad deal to me

[chrome vector]

Anyone here watch it's always sunny in philadelphia?

[barren kindle]

for me, it looking nice is a MUST

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/r8dGrD, is there any way i could get that down to 3.5k aud?

[stray apex]

Nah

[chrome vector]

Yup. I'm not a fan of watercooling for a few reason, that being one of them. Maybe someday I'll use an AIO, or even custom loop, but that's not today

[full fossil]

I run AIOs, trust me, they fail

[stray apex]

AIOs will fail sooner, in the sense that air coolers will last until the fan dies, but neither are likely to die within the reasonable lifespan of your pc

[novel tendon]

CHAT

I have a challenge for you all
I wanna know if a cooler like Gammaxx 200 v2 can cool a 7600x

[clear frost]

i’ve heard more aio die then air coolers it does make sense tho since there’s more fail points

[novel tendon]

If the fan dies just slap one of your case fans on it

With zip ties

[stray apex]

Sure, neither of them are likely to die while your hardware is still relevant though

[mild elm]

yes

[clear frost]

what 😀

[novel tendon]

Nice
Ty

Air cooling >>>>> liquid cooling
Liquid cooling just delays the throttling which means a higher throttle

[clear frost]

😀

[chrome vector]

Aren't AIO lifespans like... 3 years?

[clear frost]

running out of brain cells

[glass lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiTngvvD5dI

This is why I have always said you don't want a stupid expensive board because the lower volume makes it so that issues are more likely to effect any individual person. Like obviously super cheap boards have their own issues, but yeh.

[novel tendon]

A 10$ cooler like Gammaxx 200 v2 is equivalent to like a 240 AIO

[mild elm]

what

[clear frost]

here goes another brain cell

[mild elm]

you're very wrong

[stray apex]

No lmao

[novel tendon]

Yeah
A guy on YouTube tested it

[stray apex]

Also no lmao

[novel tendon]

And only a 360 AIO managed to beat a good cheap cooler

[clear frost]

all im saying is you’ll have more defective aios then air coolers 😀

[mild elm]

can you link this

[novel tendon]

Yeah sure
Wait

[stray apex]

Statistically, sure
Statistically you're unlikely to experience failure with either

[clear frost]

🤦‍♂️

[dusty rune]

defective aios arent that rare

[novel tendon]

https://youtu.be/16UBOwK6DG4

I didn't find the other one but this one compares wraith prism to a 360 AIO

Which is even better because the stock cooler only loses with 3-4% less performance

[stray apex]

Lmao

[mild elm]

well find the other one

[novel tendon]

Ughhhh
I'll have to go through my watch history

[mild elm]

thats completely different

[stray apex]

A better source

[novel tendon]

Yeah because the stock cooler is worse than a cheap tower cooler and 360 AIO is better than 240 AIO

[novel tendon]

Yeah but it's old

[stray apex]

And raw max thermal output

[novel tendon]

New air coolers are way better

[stray apex]

No it fucking isn't
And no they aren't

Air coolers are just now starting to manage to beat the d15

It turns out that there's only so many ways you can put fans onto a finstack with a coldplate and heatpipes

[novel tendon]

😐

[stray apex]

I'm pretty sure a lot of the improvements are just from fan updates

[novel tendon]

Do you understand that the AIO does the same thing as a tower cooler right?

AIO just uses water

[dusty rune]

100%

[dusty rune]

theres more to it than a heatsink and fan

pump, rad, water, fans, tubes

[novel tendon]

Oh yeah
You have to move the water so you can cool it

[stray apex]

The thermalright assassin 120
Probably the best air cooler on the market right now
Is only equal to a 240

[novel tendon]

Why not just cool the metal

[dusty rune]

cause water is better?

[stray apex]

Well, it's technically slightly worse than a 240, but it's close enough

[novel tendon]

Um
No
Metal moves heat faster

[dusty rune]

more conductive? you can have a much larger area due to rad?

[mild elm]

high specific heat capacity

[novel tendon]

Air also moves heat faster

[stray apex]

No lmao
Do you think they invented heat pipes for fun

[dusty rune]

explain the benchmarks then

[mild elm]

what are you on about

[stray apex]

Air is a shit thermal conductor
Are you actually just trolling

[novel tendon]

Have you ever touched a copper wire?

[stray apex]

🤡

[novel tendon]

I didn't say it conducts heat better
I said it moves it better

[dusty rune]

if tower coolers r better explain the benchmarks

[stray apex]

"air moves heat faster than water" lmao

People are so stupid they should build custom air loops

[mild elm]

just blow on it - Mas probably

[stray apex]

New heatpipe design, literally just an empty tube

[novel tendon]

Yes it does?
If that wasn't the case heat pipes wouldn't be vapor chambers

[clear frost]

[dusty rune]

im so popular

[novel tendon]

Gas
Especially vapor moves heat so fast

Idk if you never, ever felt heat from a vapor source
But I'll recommend you try it once

[stray apex]

Man thermal engineering is so easy

[novel tendon]

See how fast it burns your skin

[dusty rune]

7600 type of cooling

[stray apex]

Anyways
🤡

[novel tendon]

Yeah
If it makes you any less angry
Your AIO still uses air to cool the water

[dusty rune]

???

[clear frost]

💀

[stray apex]

We should simply expose the bare die to air

[novel tendon]

Rads use air to cool the water

Does it not?

[stray apex]

The thermals will be incredible
Imagine
Using the entire atmosphere as our heatsink

With the unparalleled thermal performance of air we'll be able to achieve incredible ambient temperatures at max load

[novel tendon]

Yes
We should make a pool and instead of using rads, use pools to transfer heat from water to somewhere else

[clear frost]

wtf is this turning into

[stray apex]

I don't know, air stans are weird

Water cooling more surface area big cold
Not hard

[mild elm]

I completely mixed up animes

[novel tendon]

Yes
Let me use 5 cooling fans to beat a tower cooler with 2 fans

[stray apex]

An AIO with 3 fans outperforms an air cooler with 3 fans
What's your point

[novel tendon]

An tower cooler with one fan destroys an AIO with one fan

What's your point

[stray apex]

Sounds like a personal problem

Don't spread dumb misinformation like "wraith prism is just as performant as a 360mm AIO"

[clear frost]

idk i’m a pretty big air stan ngl

[novel tendon]

Nope
AIO is more expensive
A bit better if you configure it as best as you can
And has huge amount of risk if it fails

[clear frost]

would be dead if i didn’t have some air LOL

[novel tendon]

https://youtu.be/16UBOwK6DG4

Watch the video and tell me how it isn't

[stray apex]

You'd be dead without water too

[novel tendon]

Fun facts
You can survive months without water

[clear frost]

wellll i don’t think i can drink the water in an aio 😆

[novel tendon]

https://youtu.be/16UBOwK6DG4

[mild elm]

do tell

[novel tendon]

Keep sending a 3 years old video and refuse to watch a new one

[stray apex]

This is from last month lmao

[novel tendon]

That's why they are using a 3950x?

[stray apex]

Do you understand how benchmarks work

Why am I asking

[clear frost]

😂

[novel tendon]

wait it's noise normalised?

[mild elm]

yes thats how it should be done

[stray apex]

That's where air gets shit on the least, yes

[tired glade]

3950x still very fast CPU

[mild elm]

irrelevant

[novel tendon]

Sure

Go spend 600$ on AIO

I'll take my 10$ air cooler ty

[tired glade]

Wait,there are 600$ aios?

[mild elm]

good job changing your argument after losing

[plush rivet]

That are a waste of money?
Sure

[novel tendon]

He still hasn't watched the video I sent

[clear frost]

i’ve got like a £90 air cooler lol

[mild elm]

I also think AIOs are a waste of money, but, they can be much better than even the best air coolers.

[median idol]

Wait till you get into custom Liquid Cooling

[novel tendon]

Yeah
You have to spend at least double that to get an AIO with same performance

[tired glade]

Oh, weird

[plush rivet]

Good job being so wrong

[stray apex]

I did
it claims that a wraith prism is very close to being as good as a 360mm aio lmao

[clear frost]

yah ur wrong again 💀

was a good guess

[tired glade]

If it 7600,maybe

[stray apex]

no you don't
an arctic 360 is around the same price
and outperforms literally every single consumer air cooler

[plush rivet]

Please do not take that advice
That’s not even true

[clear frost]

why’d bro delete his guess 💀

[mild elm]

i did not

[plush rivet]

War shipped

[novel tendon]

Google says its 150$

[clear frost]

what’s that mean

[plush rivet]

Good source

[mild elm]

bro put the $ sign after the money

[tired glade]

What did I wrote?

[stray apex]

it's low stock, but you can find them for like $120

[mild elm]

we are talking to a true intellectual

[plush rivet]

Mas
Not you

[tired glade]

Idk

[novel tendon]

My bad
In my language we put it after the numbers xD

[plush rivet]

Because idk where he’s getting his info from

[mild elm]

where are you from

[novel tendon]

https://youtu.be/16UBOwK6DG4

[novel tendon]

Middle East
Why ask?

[mild elm]

one video

[tired glade]

Information about what?

[plush rivet]

What’s your point

[novel tendon]

See the video
It will say what's my point

[glass lantern]

I don't know about destorys, but I'm fairly certain he means a 120/140mm AIO which yeh like a NH-D15 or whatever will match or more likely beat such an AIO. Hence why you could only be using a 120/140mm AIO in a super compact systems to get heat directly out of the system where there are resistions which reduce airflow to the point that a air cooler would be much worse, or there just isn't the clearance for a reasonably sized air cooler.

[plush rivet]

Not really how it works
You kinda have to elaborate your point and the source reinforces it

[glass lantern]

or both

[plush rivet]

Wow that’s so off

please explain that

[novel tendon]

AIO's are a waste of money
Because a good cheap tower cooler can beat or match a AIO that costs double that

[plush rivet]

Why when it’s better than the cooler

and why exactly are they a “waste of money”

[median idol]

AIOs are a waste of money
omegaluls in custom loop

[tired glade]

It will be funny,if he is about T series of CPUs

[novel tendon]

Gammax 200 v2 is similar to a wraith prism
And in that video the guy shows how wraith prism only loses 4-5% to a 360m AIO

[tired glade]

Oh, someone still makes those

[mild elm]

still loses

[novel tendon]

Yes but that's a 360 AIO

[plush rivet]

Also
That was a horrible video for a reference, 7000 series barely produces any heat, you should probably look at 12th and 13th gen for better comparisons

[novel tendon]

I said it is the same as a 240m

[novel tendon]

😐

[plush rivet]

but they doesn’t change your incorrect

Idk what is your hatred for AIOs

[tired glade]

Oh,power tweaking with 7000 ,that video about

[novel tendon]

Even without the tweaks

[glass lantern]

Oh your they were using Ryzen 7000, yeh bad plan for thermal testing

[novel tendon]

Also tweaks are done for both

[tired glade]

Yes,you can hold tgmax on 7000 with stock cooler

[novel tendon]

Yes
So why buy an AIO

[tired glade]

And 7000 made to hold tgmax without degradation

[plush rivet]

Usually for looks
And cooling

[novel tendon]

That was my point
Like if a shitty stock cooler can cool it good enough for most things
Why spend 200$ on an AIO

[tired glade]

It's still red lining CPUs, it's not good

[glass lantern]

the normal CPUs will run at 90C pretty much no matter what, you can put a crappy cooler on it and mostly what will happen is that the CPU will just reduce power

[novel tendon]

Air coolers still look better

[median idol]

Yep I'm one of them 😛

[tired glade]

Especially in hot non controlled climates

[plush rivet]

So when does your opinion come into factoring facts

[glass lantern]

you might lose like 1 - 2% performance but the power reduction is like almost half.

[plush rivet]

who cares if you think it looks better

[novel tendon]

I'm sorry
Soft tubes running all over the case is not beautiful

[tired glade]

I give for up like 4 gens, maintenance not worth it

[plush rivet]

Again who cares
Your not everyone else’s money let them do what they want

if I want a 120 AIO I’m getting it

[novel tendon]

It's not better looking
It costs more
Stock cooler cools the cpu just fine for free

[plush rivet]

this dude is just gonna keep shilling for air coolers

[clear frost]

this is bullshit lol

[novel tendon]

Yes
Fall back plan
"let us burn our money we don't care"

[stray apex]

ah yes
the 7950x's stock cooler of
nothing

[plush rivet]

You cannot take someone else having a different opinion than you can you

[clear frost]

i had a stock cooler my r5 3600 was close to 80°c playing games 💀

[novel tendon]

Wraith prism is like 10$ man

[tired glade]

@novel tendon a lot of people have pc like 20-30cm from them in desk,aio makes less noise

[plush rivet]

And is shit

[glass lantern]

stock cooler is also much louder.

[plush rivet]

why are you giving advice to trash coolers

[novel tendon]

Noctua Tower coolers make less noise

[stray apex]

shit value
you could get a cheap 240 for that price

[glass lantern]

And this only works specifically for R7k

[tired glade]

Aio in same price category can do it even less

[plush rivet]

And you give the advice to the more overpriced cooler

[novel tendon]

Oh
Then just buy gammax 200 v2

[plush rivet]

Less even

[novel tendon]

What

Bruh
Most AIO will have more noise

[plush rivet]

Idfk what this dude is even talking about

[stray apex]

thermalright peerless 120 is like $40 or something

[median idol]

That's fair. It can be a real pain (especially if it's coloured coolant) where it leaves gunk on the blocks. I now use Distilled water with Mayhems Inhibitor+ and Hades+ additives or clear coolant for that very reason. That can last up til a good year as with coloured coolant and UV ones I find myself doing maintenance and cleaning every 6 months or so at minimum.

[novel tendon]

In the same price
Because they have more fans

[plush rivet]

Your stupid saying that
There’s no way

[glass lantern]

To be fair though you buy a decent air cooler and it will last you forever consider Noctua give free mounting hardware upgrades.

[stray apex]

I don't know how you can justify any tower coolers over $40 that aren't noctuas

[novel tendon]

More fans?

[clear frost]

idkk i got a be quiet one 😄

[novel tendon]

And even tighter fins to go through so more high pitch noise?

[glass lantern]

so I don't mind spending extra on a Noctua cooler because I'll just keep it for a long ass time.

[clear frost]

works real nice keep cpu cool and is quiet 🤐

[plush rivet]

How does more fans matter
If the curve is better they’ll still be just as quiet.
I really don’t think you know what your talking about at this point

[novel tendon]

I'm buying a gammax 200 v2 for my 7600x

[mild elm]

buying from noctua is just dumb

[plush rivet]

This guy is dumb

[clear frost]

lol

[stray apex]

why would you buy a 7600x

pbo is free

[median idol]

The only worthy Noctua product is probably their A12X25 fans. Even then that isn't saying much

[novel tendon]

Yeah
You can't do that because hot air will move up
You still have to fight air's tendency to go up

[tired glade]

No,half of kg of copper on CPU is best in wind tunnel

[plush rivet]

?????

[novel tendon]

7600 non available in my country

[mild elm]

nope, p12 is a bit better

[clear frost]

wtf are you waffling mate?

[plush rivet]

???? What???
What does hot air have to do with noise????

[mild elm]

though noctua makes good smaller fans

[novel tendon]

You have to pull air through rads to make heat go away

[plush rivet]

Oh my god

[void ocean]

What is a good microphone that is XLR supported? Lower that 300 AUD probably, and what interface should i use? Ive seen Go XLR's or something being used, dunno if thats something to get.

[stray apex]

while their stuff is, at this point, definitely getting ridiculously expensive
you used to be able to get them at a pretty reasonable price considering that they would last you through several builds

[mild elm]

what if you top mount your rad

[tired glade]

Those are server passive coolers for CPUs

[plush rivet]

Now you really don’t know what your talking about

[novel tendon]

Hot Air will go up no matter what
And most rads are designed to pull air down through them

[mild elm]

what

[plush rivet]

dude just stop your going worse and worse

[tired glade]

Technically

[stray apex]

if hot air rose harder than fans blew
we would not use fans

[mild elm]

no

[clear frost]

uhh 🤔

[stray apex]

if hot air beats fans
then we would simply design things for hot air instead of fans

[novel tendon]

Yes
That's why I'm saying you need higher rpm on rads

[tired glade]

Best cooler,if you have extra room

[novel tendon]

Than on tower coolers

[clear frost]

ur speaking waffle to me mate

[plush rivet]

But everything you just said was so highly incorrect

[novel tendon]

How

[tired glade]

What's waffle?

[plush rivet]

You don’t know how a RAD works

[novel tendon]

Does hot air not go up?

[clear frost]

ur not making any sense

[tired glade]

Oh

[novel tendon]

Or does rad fans not pull air through rads?

[clear frost]

yes heat rises ur point?

[novel tendon]

Then you need higher rpm to pull air through rads my dude

[stray apex]

they don't understand that radiators are direction agnostic or that hot air does not meaningfully impact the effectiveness of a fan

[mild elm]

but what if your rad is at the top

[plush rivet]

Why would you be pulling air down when you exhausting

[novel tendon]

Oh
Good luck with cat hair all over your pcb

[plush rivet]

like that makes no sense

[mild elm]

what if you dont have a cat

[median idol]

Pretty much. On the Watercooling side, those (A12x25s) were pretty popular for rads on 120mm fans. With NoiseBlocker Eloops (B14-PS) being popular with the 140mm options

[novel tendon]

Dust

[median idol]

Now I use T30s if at all possible for 120s

[novel tendon]

Good luck with cleaning your pc

[tired glade]

@novel tendon there is reason why people allow water in their PC and looks like it's good reason

[clear frost]

but the thing is ur air cooler is getting the heat straight from the gpu using that way of going about it

[stray apex]

they apparently managed to build an air cooler that can do 700w, so it seems like they just haven't bothered updating their consumer lineup in a while

[shut maple]

Guys

[tired glade]

Yes?!

[plush rivet]

No
Because you really have no idea about the topic your on, and that pretty much just proved it

[novel tendon]

And your AIO is making heat go towards your gpu and making it more hoter

[shut maple]

I had a corsair vengeance lpx 3200mhz ddr 4 ram
I bought and installed another stick but motherboard isn't detecting it

[plush rivet]

…..

[novel tendon]

😐 sure

[clear frost]

yeah i’m out of brain cells guys

[mild elm]

is it in the right slot

[plush rivet]

This dude is an actual idiot

[shut maple]

Previous one was in b2 slot

[mild elm]

doit

[plush rivet]

And it’s worse he believes his own misinformation

[shut maple]

So installed the new one on A2 slot

[novel tendon]

Sure bro
Learn to type first

[mild elm]

HAHaHaHAJHAh

[plush rivet]

Learn the right information first

[novel tendon]

https://youtu.be/16UBOwK6DG4

[plush rivet]

so far your not doing a good job

And the fact your nitpicking little things to make the conversation go somewhere else pretty much tells me you know your wrong

[shut maple]

Do I need to do anything on the bios?
Though even in the bios it's not showing up

[median idol]

I've wonder when they'll release the A14X25. They've been rumoured to come out God knows when for years and still nothing. The only thing that proves they exist is that 4080 Noctua×ASUS card

[mild elm]

pie, you're asking for it

[novel tendon]

Oh yeah
Pulling air through rads does not need more rpm than just blowing air into some metal fins
laughs in correct information

[plush rivet]

Eh I wanna see how bad it can get

[mild elm]

tower coolers have radiators so

[novel tendon]

Huh?

[stray apex]

supposedly they're updating the d15 soon

[novel tendon]

Yes
But pulling air through them is harder than blowing air to them

[tired glade]

They have been teasing it for like 7 years

[mild elm]

then put your fans under it?

[plush rivet]

🤦

[plush rivet]

Don’t even
I don’t know anymore

[mild elm]

Radiators are heat exchangers used to transfer thermal energy from one medium to another for the purpose of cooling and heating.

[novel tendon]

But then your pc turns into dust bags

[white hearth]

Guys i bought something from newegg and i didnt make an account before i bought it and now it wont let me track the order 😭

[dusty rune]

guys stop arguing with this troll

[plush rivet]

But it’s fun

[dusty rune]

you will see it on your porch

[tired glade]

Had you put address correctly?

[median idol]

Watching pub chat be pub chat is entertaining NGL

[novel tendon]

Also I have another question

[tired glade]

We all here for that

[novel tendon]

Is Asus tuf gaming b650-plus a good mobo?

Excluding price

[stray apex]

most motherboards are fine

[mild elm]

no, get an asus prime b650 plus

[stray apex]

if you're doing a 7600x literally any am5 motherboard will be fine

[mild elm]

its such a good mobo

[novel tendon]

No
Asus prime series has shit power phases

[stray apex]

am5 is also super power efficient so I don't even know if high end vrms matter whatsoever

[tired glade]

Just don't overclock, with voltage mades on old bios

[mild elm]

asus prime boards are the best

[novel tendon]

No it does for me

[stray apex]

it's a 7600x who gives a shit

[novel tendon]

The prime is same price as tuf gaming here

[stray apex]

then buy the tuf?

[tired glade]

It's pretty low consuming CPU,anyway

[novel tendon]

Yes but idk if tuf is good enough

[median idol]

Hell a 7950X even can be put on a motherboard with a quarter of what the VRM on the Taichi board has

[mild elm]

the prime is better

[novel tendon]

Gaming ax x b650 from gigabyte is also same price

And like b650 D3SH

[stray apex]

it's a 7600x
it will run on a potato with a mosfet stuck in it

[tired glade]

Or get 3d version and don't worry about vrm

[white hearth]

yep

[novel tendon]

Yes but I'll upgrade it down the road

[tired glade]

You fine

[novel tendon]

I don't wanna get stuck with a useless mobo

[white hearth]

Ai

[stray apex]

people ran zen 3 off old b450 motherboards

it doesn't matter
vrm marketing is a scam

if it's not throttling your shit it's fine

[median idol]

I've seen people run 5950Xs on X370

[novel tendon]

No
I'm talking like overall quality and support for more ram and stuff

[stray apex]

ram is limited by the memory controller or whatever anyways

[full fossil]

I'm looking at dropping a 3950x in my x370 board

[novel tendon]

What about like bios flash back?

[full fossil]

why did that reply lmao

[novel tendon]

Asus tuf has it or no?

[echo canopy]

The traces on the mobo can effect your max MHZ

[stray apex]

idk look it up

[tired glade]

After few years under building vrm and AMD return,and Intel hadn't direct answer, so they pushed clocks to limited, vrms in good place now

[novel tendon]

I did but some say it does some say it doesn't

[echo canopy]

More like they pushed their power limits to the extreme.

[stray apex]

yeah, maybe if we're talking more than the what
6000 that zen 4 maxes out at?

[novel tendon]

My case will have 4 fans so I'm not worried about thermals

[tired glade]

They pushed everything

[chrome vector]

[novel tendon]

But I'm very worried about features

[stray apex]

why

[novel tendon]

Cuz I'm a nerd

[tired glade]

You can buy extra expansion card at any point

[stray apex]

how2buymobo

1. will thorttle?
2. have ports?
3. cheap

[echo canopy]

It was a issue even on DDR4.

[novel tendon]

I will overclock and under volt it to oblivion

[stray apex]

it's an issue if you're a hardcore overclocker, not if you want to run your xmp

[echo canopy]

A better motherboard will have more efficient VRMS and undervolt Better which is required for zen4 to get the rated performance

[novel tendon]

That's why AMD is working on QDR5

[stray apex]

no it isn't lmao
what is "rated performance"

[tired glade]

Qdr is for 2030+

[stray apex]

rated performance, i.e normal ass benchmarks just use stock settings

[median idol]

I remember that 3800/1900 hole that was prominent in Ryzen 3000 and 5000 even

[stray apex]

you can turn on PBO and undervolt if you want

[novel tendon]

Yeah but we don't need 10000mhz+ till then probably

[stray apex]

although frankly, you're probably GPU bound anyways

[echo canopy]

Zen4 boost clocks. Stick it simply won’t do them even on amazing coolers.

[novel tendon]

I will use it for cpu mining so no

[fervent prairie]

A ds3h can run a stock 7950x no issue. Just don't buy the bad boards and you're good

[full fossil]

You mean MT/s right?

[novel tendon]

Yeah
My bad

[tired glade]

Both 12/13 gen and 7000 ddr5 controllers suck,and 10k schedule for 2025

[median idol]

That's the thing! The VRM that the X670E Taichi has, that CPU will be fine with a quarter of that

[stray apex]

AMD's specified boost clock is for bursty loads under optimal conditions

[novel tendon]

Yeah probably

[novel tendon]

PBO under volt is such a good thing

[stray apex]

https://youtu.be/nRaJXZMOMPU?t=492

[novel tendon]

Many of my friends have -30 curve optimiser

[stray apex]

GN did find their 7950x hit the rated 5.7 in cinebench single threaded

this was under stock settings and an arctic 360

[novel tendon]

Yeah but PBO will make it hit that I think

[tired glade]

Are people still talks about that 95C?

[stray apex]

I don't believe they test with PBO unless explicitly stated

[full fossil]

I really wanna lap my next cpu just because

[echo canopy]

Who cares about ST, MT is what matters

[novel tendon]

Yeah but I think they should

[stray apex]

you, apparently

[novel tendon]

PBO is really easy to set up and get like 5% more performance

[tired glade]

Kinda,but not required

[stray apex]

PBO is also technically overclocking

[novel tendon]

You can just put some of those cheap heat sinks on it

Those small tiny ones on amazon

[fervent prairie]

What 95°C, eco mode is best mode.🙏

[novel tendon]

And put like some thermal pads under it

[tired glade]

I don't know how to get to 95C on my 7950x....

[novel tendon]

PBO curve optimiser is the best

[tired glade]

I know, it's in server rack...under 700g of copper with 3 high pressure fans,but still...

[fervent prairie]

My cooling would be able to handle it, but I don't feel like using twice the power for 5% more performance. Not with electricity cost here

[tired glade]

Yea, just extra power limited not worth cost

[novel tendon]

Make Em yourself

I mean
Yeah

[echo canopy]

Because it will perform like shit without one

[graceful burrow]

Which ssd

Yeah that doesn't need a sink kek

[novel tendon]

No
It's just cool to DIY stuff

[graceful burrow]

Here's the general rule of thumb
Is it sold it with one? Probably doesn't need one

[novel tendon]

I DIYed a phone cooler

[graceful burrow]

So it probably doesn't need one

[novel tendon]

So cpus don't need coolers

[graceful burrow]

Some don't for sure

[novel tendon]

😐

[graceful burrow]

But a lot of cpus do come with coolers :)

[novel tendon]

7950x doesn't

Also this ^

[graceful burrow]

Higher end cpus don't because companies don't give a shit about putting the r&d into it for consumers buying their most expensive shit
I mean look at nvidia
They fuck over all their consumers

:)

Nope doesn't need

[stray apex]

What are you even going to be doing with it

If you're not hitting it with sustained heavy load a heatsink will do nothing

[graceful burrow]

Yeah I was making a joke but also this message was for ssd's not cpus it just got twisted

100% stress test

100% max read and 100% max write constantly

Not even remotely close

I sure have been saying that

Text does not stutter and I'm getting tired of repeating myself

[clear frost]

i use more then that on my 3060 💀

[chrome vector]

this camera got so much zoom I can see the dust

[graceful burrow]

If it was light out rn I'd show you up

But macro mode requires a shitton of light on my phone

[chrome vector]

I'm pretty sure this was taken when it was night out

what phone?

[graceful burrow]

Oneplus 7t

[dull granite]

tf is this

[chrome vector]

Heard of OnePlus but idk if I've ever actually seen one of their phones. I have the Galaxy S22 Ultra. Have no idea what I'm going to do for my next phone. I never meant to get 3 Samsung phones in a row... I've had Samsung since like, 2013-14 or something.

[chrome vector]

ceiling fan light fixture

[graceful burrow]

Found some old ones

Paper looks nuts when ripped

[chrome vector]

Nice, I haven't tried to take too many photos like that

[graceful burrow]

It makes sense
Papers are fiber
But we can't physically see the fibers like that

I had to hand solder those resistors btw

I dropped one and spent ten minutes finding it

[chrome vector]

electronic C O M P O N E N T S

[graceful burrow]

Oh shit this dude works at a fab

[chrome vector]

You have no idea how many electronic components I have collected from sweeping off the machines or floor that came out of the reels one way or the other. I keep collecting... I have bags full

[graceful burrow]

Send a goodie bag my way

A nice little mystery bag :)

[chrome vector]

That's literally what it would be. Just random microchips, transistors, capacitors, resistors, etc. etc.

[graceful burrow]

Honestly electronic component mystery bags would be fuckin legit

I would genuinely buy one

[chrome vector]

I keep thinking I'm going to try and do something with some of them, maybe someday, but I'd never be able to touch even a quarter of these. I'm going to keep collecting them anyways, it's fun.

You how much money just in components are just sitting on the floor? Fuck.

I can even check Plex to see how much they pay for some of the parts when I'm at work.

[graceful burrow]

If you're okay selling a small bag of random components lemme know that'd be so interesting

[wispy marsh]

I got two mystery gifts from my uncle who worked in electronics scrapping

One gpu's working and the other one's not

[chrome vector]

ignore the fork

[graceful burrow]

What even is the bar thing

[clear frost]

i can’t ignore it

it keeps dragging me in to focus on it 💀

[chrome vector]

the orange thing?

[graceful burrow]

Ye

[chrome vector]

it's a pretty nice for a plastic fork, to be fair

[chrome vector]

One sec, I know the name, I'm just forgetting

[wispy marsh]

Fort Minor

[clear frost]

no that’s an hip hop/rapper

[wispy marsh]

Remember The Name

[crystal pike]

is a 1080p 75Hz monitor too much for a laptop with an i5-4200U

[tired glade]

No

[crystal pike]

so issues like overheating or something else should not be concern

i finally got DP to work (turned out it was just a bios issue) and i can finally enjoy the 75Hz

now excuse me im gonna go play minecraft at 24 frames per minute

okay i havemt even played minecraft yet and the sucker is at 60

[chrome vector]

I'll have to get back to you on it. I know the name but can't remember or find any information on it. I'd have to tell you later.

[graceful burrow]

Don't put too much effort in for me it isnt that important lol

[chrome vector]

Even at work people call it an antenna, when it's not, I figured it out before but now I can't remember. It's some sort of coil

[graceful burrow]

Focus on important stuff not some random online :)

I appreciate the effort tho

[chrome vector]

No problem. I'll message you what it is sometime though, especially by the time I'm back at work in a couple days. Now I want to remember what it is anyways, because it's a weird component. I remember when I looked it up before it was different.

So many SMD/SMT components have shit markings on them. Not even talking about his one specifically, actual ICs can be harder to find information on than you'd think

[graceful burrow]

I know it

I be taking apart stuff

[chrome vector]

Yeah it's a pain in the ass.

[glass lantern]

Wait... Am I a hipster? Because like when everyone was like "OMG Elon is a genius, Elon is X, Y and Z." I was like well, yeh he's done some impressive stuff but he also lies a lot and like while he has had successful companies the things he has been doing haven't really been that revolutionary and it's been more about acquiring talent and technologies etc.

Now while I'm not defending Elon I find myself defending his companies... although Tesla is almost certainly still way over valued.

So do I just like being contrarian or am I even handed.

[manic torrent]

spacex used elon effectively, mostly

but he's absolutely insane now.

[median idol]

You're not alone as far as being a contrarian goes. Was always the black sheep of the family.

[median idol]

The fact that he made a shithole of a social media site worse than it already was boggles my mind

[glass lantern]

Ah I don't think he is insane, he is just completely out of his wheelhouse and floundering.

[winged yarrow]

imo it doesn't matter what figurehead is used to get the job done, we need to be pushing as a global force to advance technology to the point where we can spread out past earth

[manic torrent]

you can call it what you like, but he is unhinged.

[winged yarrow]

most people are unhinged to a degree

[distant wren]

What does unhinged mean?

Like not on the hook of what?

[full fossil]

does anybody know a server that explains rc stuff

[manic torrent]

yep

[winged yarrow]

"mentally unbalanced; deranged.:

[full fossil]

Or anybody here

[distant wren]

Remote control stuff?

[graceful burrow]

You're lucky Bob's active kek

[full fossil]

Yeah like planes

[manic torrent]

ask your question

[distant wren]

Just ask and see if people respond

[glass lantern]

Eh that isn't particularly important, for the cost of doing anything in space you can do it cheaper on Earth, like do I think we should be bringing rare Earth materials from space, hell yeh.

But colonizing space just isn't important because you can build a massive bunker on Earth which could suvive almost anything for way cheaper than building space habitats or habitats on Mars or the moon.

[full fossil]

Is there something else I can use instead of ply wood for the base? I’m making a foam a10 warthog and I don’t have a laser cutter so no luck

[manic torrent]

... you can just cut plywood with a jigsaw

[distant wren]

Well it can be lucrative to start a moon base to start missions from there?

[full fossil]

Don’t have that either

[manic torrent]

jigsaws are cheap.

[distant wren]

Less gravity so less fuel required to launch but getting everything there is very hard

[manic torrent]

needs more space elevator

[graceful burrow]

You can use anything as a base for an rc as long as your motors are powerful enough

[full fossil]

I can’t find plywood

[graceful burrow]

3d print a base

[manic torrent]

were you looking in a 7-11?

[distant wren]

Yeah some sci-fi writers talk about those but that requires the world to work together to make one, allot of research is required to make this

[full fossil]

Stationary stores and wood stores

[manic torrent]

"guys this panera doesn't have ANY wood"

[manic torrent]

hardware store.

[full fossil]

Every wood store I find is just a furniture store

[winged yarrow]

I don't think that's true, I mean sure you could conceivably build a massive bunker which can house 8 billion plus people, but the time and material to build it would outweigh its existence. Not only that, but the level people would go to to fight such a massive thing from being built, it just wouldn't happen.

Also the point is to make these things cheaper by having them happen, a habitat on the moon becomes cheaper the more habitats you build.

[glass lantern]

Eh that has the pants gnome issue, where it's

Step 1 build a sustainable habitat on the moon to support missions beyond the moon
Step 2: ?
Step 3: Profit.

[distant wren]

You forgot step 4 profit 😉

[winged yarrow]

After the sustainable habitat you create a disneyworld-esque theme park like in futurama

[full fossil]

sure dude, now where do I get the money to get a jigsaw

[glass lantern]

Yeh you could, for a faction of the price of doing it in space.

[distant wren]

But we want the real moon experience not the Disney moon experience

[full fossil]

You can’t just buy one for 100

[manic torrent]

dude you can buy them for like.. $30?

[full fossil]

what

[glass lantern]

just launching 8 billion people off Earth would take more resoruces than building like bunkers in the sea or something like that.

[winged yarrow]

You can house 8 billion people in a bunker for cheaper than it would take to build habitats on the moon?!

[full fossil]

ok sorry mb

[distant wren]

Cheap jigsaw is not that expensive

[winged yarrow]

Like when we talk about space travel we're not talking about all 8 billion people

[manic torrent]

there's a few people I'd like to launch into space.

[distant wren]

Yeah not all 8 billion people go to space, that be too big of an undertaking as a chinese sci-fi writer noted it’s easier to move the planet to a new system but then again it’s scifi probably has some loopholes

[full fossil]

Some gotta stay, like People who eat nothing but ketchup in a sandwich

[winged yarrow]

I'll volunteer once it gets safe enough, for that hazard pay on the asteroid mining rig

[manic torrent]

oh no, there's nothing doing. They are just launched into space, end of.

[full fossil]

3rd problem is how do I do it accurately to measurements

[winged yarrow]

That's just drowning them in the ocean but inversed

[pliant sphinx]

Oh it's Ziggy

[full fossil]

Cause I kind of see my self doing it completely incorrectly

[winged yarrow]

hi

[distant wren]

Well make a paper template?

[pliant sphinx]

Hey man

[winged yarrow]

how's it goin

[manic torrent]

use a square, and a ruler, and etc? this is not rocket surgery 🙂

[pliant sphinx]

Why do you want to an asteroid mining rig? I know I probably lack the context-

[distant wren]

Copy your design on paper and check if the size is correct after that write it down. And copy the template on wood? By cutting the paper in size and make a new template of plywood

[winged yarrow]

hazard pay would be awesome in space

[manic torrent]

asteroids often have a LOT of stuff you want.

[pliant sphinx]

Pretty bad tbh, my neck hurts af and my lungs feel like exploding

Other than that, fine

[pliant sphinx]

Yeah, but like, I wouldn't need to work there

[distant wren]

Well unradiated aluminium for example might fetch a good price most aluminium in the world is radiated

[winged yarrow]

drink some tea

[glass lantern]

Then not only do you have the issue of launching those 8 billion people, you also have to build somewhere for them to live, lets just say it's the same and call that a wash, but you have to launch the machines to build the machines to make the habitats to, where as on Earth we have the machines here breathable air and gravity we know is not going to cause long term issues.

The excuse of "we need another place to put humanity." is a dumb one

[pliant sphinx]

I had two spoons of maple syrup for fun
It's so sweet, it tastes great

[distant wren]

We could send a seeder out into space and colonise that way?

[pliant sphinx]

Wouldn't so much ores from space cause all ores on Earth to have no real value

[distant wren]

Well that’s a good thing we need ores as well for construction and chips industry

[glass lantern]

there are rare Earth materials in asteroids in high abundance.

[distant wren]

And we could use more ores on the moon perhaps? to fortify our moon base?

[winged yarrow]

So I agree that the point isn't to create another place for humanity, as in to completely move everybody all at once, but having the option via slow production of alternatives and research via applied theory would allow it so that if a disaster ever does come we're at least a significant step towards being able to move all or most of the people. That's likely not going to be needed in our lifetime, but what we can do now is start setting it up for the future and create more advancements in tech to make it significantly cheaper than current day.

[pliant sphinx]

I would start with revolution in Nvidia's leadership

[glass lantern]

Gold, Platinum and Helium will be another one in like 100 years or so, but you would have to go to Jupiter or one of the ice giants for that or the kuiper belt.

[distant wren]

Would lightfolding/ travelling over lightspeed ever be possible?

[glass lantern]

If disaster proofing your society is the goal it's just not the most cost effective way of doing it.

[distant wren]

Mining helium would be interesting as it’s a finite resource

[pliant sphinx]

That's a question like "What's inside of a Black Hole"

No one knows

[distant wren]

Just wanted to see some response and see what other people think 🤔

[pliant sphinx]

Yeah, there's your response.
Our knowledge about the universe is still seriously lacking. We will figure them out probably, but now no one knows.

[distant wren]

There are so many black holes in the universe black 🕳️ every big universe has one.

[glass lantern]

Like you can ague that it could be more easily sold to people as exploration so therefore it's a effective method in general and some people will be willing to bank roll that and it also disaster proofs humanity, but as I said it's not the most cost effective way of doing it.

[winged yarrow]

No form of disaster proofing (for disasters that are extremely rare) is cost effective, when your local electric company's new building is EMP proof, it wasn't cheap.

[distant wren]

Gonna be interesting about communicating

[pliant sphinx]

Black Holes are terrifying

[distant wren]

Never met one , they could be pleasant and invite you to tea 🫖 [jk]

[glass lantern]

What I am saying is that you could build bunkers on Earth that people can live in for 100s of years much more cost effectively than colonizing space.

[pliant sphinx]

They are so lonely tho. Neverending, always-expanding nothingness

[glass lantern]

gotta get read for work cya

[distant wren]

Well if we fall together in a hole we can talk forever wouldn’t that be romantic 💘

[pliant sphinx]

Did you guys read the theories about the ending of the universe

[distant wren]

Which one?

[pliant sphinx]

Which one is the most terrfying in your opinion

[distant wren]

Good question , big tear? As in ever expanding never ending

Because that means you keep on going . But never know where it ends

[pliant sphinx]

Imo Heat Death

[winged yarrow]

I think you could do both, especially with the ability to harvest ore from asteroids and other celestial bodies, which would make their production even cheaper. However, the right conditions could be presented that completely fry earth to its core, or smash into it with a bigger rock than the moon when it smashed into Earth billions of years ago. There's a lot of factors in creating armor for Earth and its people, and it would be wise to work on all solutions in tandem so that if something like that ever happens then we've got multiple options, including the "gtfo" option if we need it

[distant wren]

Oh that’s just a small universe sun death, was thinking everything everywhere all at once like we can never get all out matter back together

[winged yarrow]

Also have you seen that movie Don't Look Up?

[pliant sphinx]

Big Crunch is the most positive of the negative ones

[distant wren]

Big collapse would be one of the better ones

At least live can start over again

[pliant sphinx]

Ye

It's like a reset button.

[distant wren]

Exactly

[winged yarrow]

Isn't the current theory something to the effect of, after the heat death for a significant amount of time the super mega black holes eventually become one

[distant wren]

Maybe, that’s the fun thing it’s not proven which one it is

[winged yarrow]

And maybe they then explode

[pliant sphinx]

Black Holes die off according to our theories

[winged yarrow]

But some can explode, no?

[distant wren]

But what happens with all that matter

[pliant sphinx]

I don't really know if it has the power to form a new universe

But it will probably be heat death anyway...

[winged yarrow]

So apparently they don't really explode but they have "outbursts"

[pliant sphinx]

Ye, they slowly evaporate

Well, at least we think that

[winged yarrow]

so that's the thing I guess, like I can understand the heat death could cause things to really slow down and there might even be a time where these outbursts from a black hole could be so cold that few reactions happen, but the amount of matter doesn't change so if it continued to condense it might end up retaining or recreating heat enough that one of those outbursts could recreate the universe

[pliant sphinx]

This gives me depression

It really shows how even the most powerful human is extremely insignificant

[winged yarrow]

don't worry, it's an unfathomable amount of time

[pliant sphinx]

There's something on it though

Like, everyone (I guess) silently believes there is a chance for a second life

This makes it seems like you're just done when you die. No chances whatsoever.

[winged yarrow]

It's unfortunate, but there's a good chance of that

There's a chance of many possibilities from any religious belief, but there seems to be a bigger chance that all of those concepts are what humanity used before it could really look around and understand its place in the universe.

[manic torrent]

mote of dust in a sunbeam. We are insignificant vs even the life of our planet, let alone the solar system let along the galaxy let alone the universe

You think it's a long way down to the shops, well that's just peanuts next to space

[winged yarrow]

But also, it's important to remember that scale is infinite. We are equally significant and insignificant, we just normally pay attention to one at a time because we have a limited cognitive capability.

[pliant sphinx]

I think, but then, it was abused. They (In the middle ages, elite class) thought them that there will be a better life, so they were ok with dying early and being slaves...

[winged yarrow]

100%

[manic torrent]

exactly - from a philosophy perspective, nothing matters and everything matters is the same logical endpoint.

[pliant sphinx]

Ye

[manic torrent]

it's far more complex than that, but yes, religion has been used as a tool to control people since forever.

[pliant sphinx]

Abusing religion to use humans is imo one of the worst things that ever happened/are happening. But it's still happening today... poor people.

It's disgusting

[manic torrent]

if it wasn't that it would be something else, people gonna peep

[winged yarrow]

Taking the above into account, it can be interpreted as abuse but it could also be interpreted as a benevolence. Like most people are going to be trapped in some form of "slavery" throughout their life, no matter what exactly you call it. So at least those people were able to go through it. Imagine you were both a slave, and you knew what the truth was. Prolly not very fun.

[wispy marsh]

We have three ltt Jakes now

[pliant sphinx]

One thing I didn't really know ever, was how many people didn't believe/didn't want to believe. It's weird no history channel/book/lesson talked about atheism.

[winged yarrow]

I think atheism grew a lot more once we got past the industrial age.

[modern hamlet]

Guys. Who can help me setting up remote ftp server (Mac as host)

[pliant sphinx]

It's a pretty modern thing, but someone had to be an atheist even before right? I mean, in developed countries

[winged yarrow]

Before that, even somebody who "didn't believe" would call themselves whatever denomination they were raised with and probably still go to church.

[pliant sphinx]

Yeah. The church was practically manipulating entire continent (Europe) at some point. But, the church did horrible things, like, you bought a piece of paper which "cleaned you off your sins"

And meanwhile people were starving, church members enjoyed wealthy life.

[winged yarrow]

Yeah, the church has done a lot of crime lol

[pliant sphinx]

Isn't that weird

[winged yarrow]

Nah, it's human nature

[stoic beacon]

Humans in general have done a lot of crime... Humans are human

[pliant sphinx]

The reason why we can never become beings on another level.

We're animals... just smarter.

[winged yarrow]

All humans have duality, it's a conscious choice to choose good over evil

Well we already are "beings on another level"

[chrome vector]

That's literally what I was about to say. Even staight up irreligious charities get caught up in crimes and abuse.

Churches are made up of people, people are going to do shitty stuff regardless of banner they fly or what they believe.

[winged yarrow]

Only way they wouldn't is if there were an actual god they had proof of that they feared, and given human nature thus far they might still.

But at that point you could blame the god imo

[chrome vector]

It doesn't matter. Even the most religious people can end up doing shitty things. Even if god himself came down people would still do bad things. By the time I was born my family didn't go to church or anything, for whatever reason. I went from and edgy teenage reddit atheist, to more agnostic, to more religious, or at least have beliefs.

At this point in time I don't go to any specific church or anything, but I definitely don't consider myself an atheist anymore.

Regardless of that, people do shitty things. Religious or not.

[hollow pulsar]

You might be interested in the Youtube channel “Is Genesis History”.

[chrome vector]

I'd have to look more into it later.

"Great floods" are strange. For whatever reason cultures all around the Earth have massive Earth shattering flood stories ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pliant sphinx]

I was just trying to differ human beliefs from charity scams, which, at some extent, can be compared to an ebay scam.

That's because human religion (if taken seriously) is a much more psychological thing. When you break someone's religion, It can mess you up in ways no one sane can imagine.

[manic torrent]

probably because... floods happen.

[full fossil]

To be fair, the idea of “global” was far more localized thousands of years ago. It could span 100 miles it might as well be

[winged yarrow]

I meant like a physical one, you can be "religious" but not religious if you know what I mean, but you would believe if a god could look you in the eye

[chrome vector]

That's true. It's not hard to imagine the rest of the 'world' is going through the same thing if a big flood happens.

[chrome vector]

Yeah I get what you mean

[hollow pulsar]

Right. But keep in mind people in the past also built the Pyramids and fit rocks together like putty. They weren’t as stupid as society tries to make them out to be.

[winged yarrow]

yeah but society does a lot of things to make the past people seem stupid so that we and our way of life seem superior

golden age

[manic torrent]

yes, we assume historic people were stupid

[full fossil]

Every age has pros/cons

[winged yarrow]

Did you know the golden age of humanity just so happens to be when you're living in it?!

[chrome vector]

Nah. Clearly it was ancient aliens 👽

[hollow pulsar]

Lol

[pliant sphinx]

Sad we won't experience that.

[winged yarrow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/historyuk-h2-ancient-aliens-history2-uj8JYrjroFGYmn82Ab

[chrome vector]

History channel told me so, it's in the name

[full fossil]

“History” channel

[hollow pulsar]

My personal favorite is great works of art carved in stone. Then some graffiti artist scratches their name on it and we attribute the art to the graffiti artist.

[winged yarrow]

No the point is that we are experiencing it. People try and say all the time that right here right now is the best it's ever been. And they're not necessarily wrong, but also not really right either.

[chrome vector]

History Channel used to be about History. Much like how EA used to be in the game. Now it's, "EA Games: It's in your wallet"

At least Pawn Stars is still cool

[pliant sphinx]

Yeah. It's the best time for us, but far from a golden age of the entire humanity.

[crystal pike]

60c is fine but are all ultrabooks like this?

[full fossil]

There’s so much shit content flying around these days

[crystal pike]

Like 15w cpu at 60 is a bit much isnt it

[pliant sphinx]

Golden age when there will be no hunger, poverty, and everyone can live a somehow comfortable life with all basic needs.

[full fossil]

No

[crystal pike]

60-70 is much then no? So thats all fine?

[full fossil]

It’s fine

[chrome vector]

People keep talking about AI being the end of civilization... Maybe. But social media might get there first ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[full fossil]

Facebook moment

[crystal pike]

Seems too good to be true honestly

[winged yarrow]

Social media helped push for it, by providing a ripple effect which created significantly more amounts of data that could be trained on for AI, all for a chance to get some ad profit on an article.

[crystal pike]

They are rated for 100 degrees so thats cool

If ultrabooks reach these temps with low power cpus imagine gaming laptops lol (never owned one so i got zero idea)

[pliant sphinx]

I wonder how the new Intel CPUs will be called

[chrome vector]

The internet has brought us many great things, but social media is cancerous. I honestly don't know if the good out weighs the bad

[crystal pike]

They are changing the names of their cpus?

[pliant sphinx]

Intel Ultra 3, 5, 7 and 9?

[winged yarrow]

i10

[crystal pike]

No too complicated + doesnt make sense

[winged yarrow]

Only time will tell. Remember in star wars there's good droids and bad droids, it'll be the same shit.

[pliant sphinx]

Yep. They try to seem relevant after having the worst quarter in one or two decades.

The "Ultra" naming they will try to push is so bad. And cringe.

[chrome vector]

is that pokemon pingu?

[crystal pike]

Wait so theyll be calling the cpus ultra so thats real holy shit they are digging their own grave

[chrome vector]

https://tenor.com/view/noot-noot-gif-26227379

[pliant sphinx]

Yeah. I feel like they are getting worse and worse as a company.

[chrome vector]

I unironically can't name even most of the first generation pokemon

[crystal pike]

Since when were they even a great company in the first place

[winged yarrow]

well obviously you got geodude

[chrome vector]

pingu be like

[crystal pike]

Took them three years to improve the U series processors 8–>11th gen

[pliant sphinx]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-confirms-changes-to-client-product-naming-schema-core-i5-could-become-core-ultra-5 very good contrast with https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/04/intel-loses-2-8-billion-in-another-not-great-quarter-down-36-year-over-year/

[winged yarrow]

they're being outclassed by a GPU centric computing space rn

[pliant sphinx]

I liked the early Core CPUs

[crystal pike]

They did have some bangers back then

But the modern intel is not the same its not great anymore

[chrome vector]

Now they're talking about getting rid of the "i" cpu branding

If they get rid of the "i" branding they better make Pentiums the top dog again. So wasteful

[crystal pike]

Everyone i know has switched to an AMD powered system

[pliant sphinx]

Probably to not associate their new CPUs with something garbage like the 11th gen

[winged yarrow]

I've got intel

[crystal pike]

I’m still using intel because I don’t want to upgrade just yet

[pliant sphinx]

I still have Core i7 860 and Athlon II 64 on display

[chrome vector]

I'm gonna be honest with you dawg. One of the reasons I went with an i9-13900k was for the cool box.

If I would have won an AM5 processor from LTT I was unironically thinking about switiching just for the upgradeability (not complaining though)

[winged yarrow]

They should rename them instead to a tier system and color them like item ratings in games. So you have garbage, common, good, great, ultra

[pliant sphinx]

Wouldn't work out on 11th gen for example

[winged yarrow]

They would make so much more money if I could go to the store and buy my gaming kid the newest ultra

[crystal pike]

I mean a cool box is a good reason to buy a cpu thats hotter than the surface of the sun if you ask me but you do you man

(Joke)

[hollow pulsar]

I3, i5, i7 aren’t tiers?

[winged yarrow]

I don't know enough to know what you mean

[chrome vector]

I still say Intel should have made their High End Desktop and/or server CPUs Pentiums.

[winged yarrow]

Yeah that's my point. They should tier it to make it easier for the average consumer.

[pliant sphinx]

AMD kinda lost it with the timing of release, so I get it. 1st gen on a new socket was rough even for AM4.

[chrome vector]

I wanted the power, but I also wanted a cool box. I'm a packaging kind of guy.

Obviously not the most important thing at all, but it's a cool bonus.

[pliant sphinx]

Have you heard it, that no Meteor Lake this year? Only Raptor Lake refresh. Or they changed it again?

[gentle slate]

Anybody with a Roku router here? The LOS indicator is flashing red. No connection on any device.

[chrome vector]

Yeah. I was debating getting a 7950x but ended up going with intel for my first actual self build.

Maybe when I upgrade someday I'll go with AMD.

But now I have a free 5600x that I don't know what I'm going to do with, still cool though ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I still have an unopened i7-12900k and MOBO I need to sell

[winged yarrow]

"Yeah, I'm here to pickup my new Uber-Mega-Ultra CPU for my gaming PC"

[pliant sphinx]

Intel 14900K Pro Max

[chrome vector]

Not just for gaming

[winged yarrow]

If they branded it Uber-Wonder-Ultra it would be UWU

I'm somewhat of a marketer myself

[hollow pulsar]

The more Epic-sounding words there are, the higher the tier

[winged yarrow]

yeah exactly

[chrome vector]

I'm going to buy a thread ripper as a hand warmer

[wind pulsar]

Gotta go picking up my Intel Core Ultra 9 14900K, let's go

[winged yarrow]

lol they wouldn't dare copy apple's naming scheme after they broke up

[pliant sphinx]

I think they will be dropping the 14xxx

[wind pulsar]

Err, no

The architecture and the name of the socket are already confirmed and know, they won't be dropping it

[chrome vector]

They're doing a refresh, so it will be lga 1700 socket still. It's amazing

[pliant sphinx]

They plan to make it more complex

[winged yarrow]

18xxx or higher, dude, jesus

[pliant sphinx]

I mean the namiiing

[wind pulsar]

The can treat it like 11th gen and act like it doesn't exist, but that's all they can do

[wind pulsar]

No, 14th gen will be on LGA 1851

[chrome vector]

I don't know if anyone watches It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, but the best cross over ever is incoming

[winged yarrow]

hype

[crystal pike]

Can someone gain access to my data and reset my macOS password on a hackintosh? Opencore of course with encryption enabled

[winged yarrow]

I don't think so

[polar granite]

im using a pentium 4 on my main with 2GB ddr2 ram and a crt monitor

[chrome vector]

Not talking about 14th, they dropping a refresh on the LGA1700 socket because they dropped whatever the hell it's called

[crystal pike]

On Linux its quite easy lmao

[polar granite]

and a nvidia g210M

[winged yarrow]

Is it?

[pliant sphinx]

Looking forward to Zen 5

[wispy marsh]

Hmm

[pliant sphinx]

Cheaper mobos, B650s finally

[chrome vector]

my computer is better

[wispy marsh]

I wonder if zen is gonna have more slow-death scenarios like zen 4

[pliant sphinx]

Also why did Intel discontinue B660

[crystal pike]

A while back i forgot the password of my laptop that was running PopOS and a quick search helped reset it

if its encrypted its somewhat impossible

[pliant sphinx]

Yeah

[wispy marsh]

Zen 5*

[winged yarrow]

I don't think PopOS is made for it's security measures though

[chrome vector]

One day intel will socket their CPUs for long periods of time like AM4/AM5.... At least a man can dream

[crystal pike]

I mean you can chroot into any system

[wind pulsar]

I assume because there's enough stock and 14th gen isn't that far away anymore, tbh

[pliant sphinx]

No, because money

[winged yarrow]

Fair although if you chroot into a system, but in that system the root is set up with a password as well does it still work?

[pliant sphinx]

I mean like, RIP the lower budget 12th gen builds

[chrome vector]

I unironically hope AMD puts enough pressure on them to do it someday

[wind pulsar]

It'll be fine for a while.
Ironically, H670 boards were cheaper than B660 for a long time in the pandemic, namely the H670 PG Riptide

[crystal pike]

Good point, I cannot remember whether if would still work or not

[pliant sphinx]

Nah, nothing can beat Intel's greed. As long as they're dominant, they not gonna do it

[winged yarrow]

I was looking it up because you got me curious and it looks like full disk encryption is the only effective countermeasure for that

[pliant sphinx]

Raptor Lake refresh is here because Meteor Lake was having trouble in development

[crystal pike]

lmao just by moving the mouse i can increase the power consumption by 5-8 watts (again 15w cpu)

[hearty spear]

incorrect, it's already confirmed a new socket

[polar granite]

and this runs discord

[pliant sphinx]

It's an alternative scenario so they can milk the LGA1700 even harder

[manic torrent]

I mean... yeah. this is why TPM is a thing

[winged yarrow]

Total Party Mode?

[crystal pike]

Nice

[chrome vector]

That's what it was. I may upgrade for the fuck of it if it's good enough. Just sell this 13900k. We'll see

[hearty spear]

upgrading every generation or two? is a mistake and a waste of money. Just sayin'

[chrome vector]

Not with the rocket lake refresh

[manic torrent]

in the last three years I've had three GPUs and three CPUs 😄

[hearty spear]

(Also in terms of going stupid high-end? you get more out of 2 reasonably good 2-3 years apart PCs than buying one stupid high end box)

[chrome vector]

I normally don't. I just want the best CPU I can get in the LGA1700. It just depends what the refresh is like

[crystal pike]

Can i disable the mac screen permanently while connected to an external display

[pliant sphinx]

Noo wait for Meteor Lake or Zen 5. This refresh will not bring anything special

[stoic beacon]

With a name like yours, you have a reputation to uphold

[hearty spear]

but why lol

[winged yarrow]

I think you can install xrandr on mac

[chrome vector]

But then I'd have to buy a new MOBO

[pliant sphinx]

Then, hold to your 13900K

[hearty spear]

technically I bought 2 new GPUs in the past 6ish months, but, that's only cuz I got a 6650 XT for 90 bucks, and wasn't gonna turn it down.

[chrome vector]

Yeah, we'll see what the refresh is like, but there's a very good chance that's what I'm going to do anyways

[crystal pike]

any solution that doesnt include installing dev tools? apart from closing the led while connected to power

[winged yarrow]

Not from what I can see

[manic torrent]

3600->3700X->5700X, 1660 super, 3070, 3080ti.
upgraded because I got a bigger screen and better performance for not much money

[pliant sphinx]

I still cringe so hard on Intel Ultra lmao

[crystal pike]

tried setting the main display in the bios to the external one but it seems like macos still recognizes the internal display

[hearty spear]

going from a 13900k to a refresh is also a bad financial decision

[winged yarrow]

yeah you're better off installing dev tools + xrandr

[pliant sphinx]

Everytime I think about it it's so weird and laughable

"Ultra", wonder how they gonna call the KS versions

[crystal pike]

ah well

[pliant sphinx]

Ultra Pro? Ultra Max? Ultra Extreme?

[chrome vector]

Yeah I basically bought enough components to build two PCs for my first build, sold/selling the extras. I didn't mean to do it, but I thought I was on a tighter time frame than I ended up being on, and bunch of other stuff happened in that time (long story)

[hearty spear]

They're gonna keep K / F / S / etc. tags, they need to differentiate.
It's the i3 / i5 part that's going away.

[pliant sphinx]

No way they gonna call it Core 7 Ultra K

[winged yarrow]

Nah it'll be the Ultra 7 K Core

[hearty spear]

No, it's a Ultra 7 14900K

[chrome vector]

which is really fucking stupid. The i5, i7, i9 is the cool part

[pliant sphinx]

[wind pulsar]

I have everything documented as well

[winged yarrow]

Now the "Ultra" is the cool part. Don't you like the word Ultra?

[hearty spear]

honestly I can't stand i3 / i5 etc,
Cuz people sell PCs saying it has an "i5 CPU"

And I'm like "There are 200 i5 CPUs. Which fucking one!?"

[chrome vector]

No. 😠

[wind pulsar]

That's great, now they will call it 'But it's an Ultra 5 CPU'

[winged yarrow]

What if it was "Epic"?

[pliant sphinx]

Ultra 7. Which Ultra 7?

[hearty spear]

I like "Ultra" way more than I enjoy the word "Benchmark"

[chrome vector]

How about Epyc?

[hearty spear]

oh, absolutely. It's gonna suck just as bad.

[winged yarrow]

What about "ÆPIC"

[chrome vector]

Still gives you an idea. And regardless, I just like the i5, i7, i9, etc.