public-chat

[nova needle]

And that is why I use the fiery fox

Lolwat who told you that? xD

[brisk mortar]

I live in ger... do you have filters?

[nova needle]

No lol

Perfectly fine water

You are the first one I ever met that filters it

[vapid smelt]

I drink water from our laundry room tap

Very tasty

[eager venture]

When u touch an aio water block while it’s cooling a cpu,should it be hot?

[eager venture]

Bathroom water tap>>>

[full fossil]

Why are internal hdd cheaper than external

I needa buy one for expansion on my series s

[slim mirage]

because an external hdd needs more parts and some sort of padding compared to an internal drive

just buy an internal drive and buy a usb hard drive enclosure

[full fossil]

Oh i think i already have an enclosure, ty for the recommendation I'll try it

[hearty spear]

if the water inside's been warm for a while, yes

if it's mostly idle, then no

But, one tube will always be warmer than the other

[polar fern]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sku/6501812.p?skuId=6501812

I guess this is really my only option at this point, unfortunately

[vapid smelt]

But it's so over priced 😭

[polar fern]

There is another option possibly

[calm kestrel]

Howdy y’all

Anyone here have a steam deck? Thinking of buying one tomorrow. I’ve watched the LTT reviews but I wanna hear from actual owners

[polar fern]

Omg perfect https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sku/6525223.p?skuId=6525223

🤣

[vapid smelt]

Damn 7th gen

[polar fern]

I lob et

Maybe I can get four of them and combine them together somehow

[low rain]

Are you a Lexus?

Cause there IS 300 reasons why we should be together

[polar fern]

I’m going to go smash my head on my desk multiple times thankfully it will be slightly padded by the LTT Northern Lights desk pad (Lttstoredotcom)

[vapid smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-gif-4527576

[polar fern]

Weee

[eager venture]

I’d wait

Asus made their own version that looks way better

[dreamy rose]

no. it runs windows

[mild otter]

Can you upgrade the internal storage in a 64gb steam deck? I'm not talking about the SD card but someone said there was no nvme slot in the 64gb version

[calm kestrel]

Hmm. The one I’ve been looking at is from my coworker, he bought it, used it for 2 weeks then it sat on a shelf all winter. It’s 256gb with a 1tb sd card for 400CAD the same one on steam is 659CAD before shipping

[dreamy rose]

the extra power is nice. but Windows is a big dealbreaker

[calm kestrel]

Yep. LLT got theirs up to 3tb with a ssd and a sd card

[dreamy rose]

oh go for it

[mild otter]

Yeah but did they get the 512 initially or a 64 (they got more than 1)

[calm kestrel]

I think they bought the 512gb one for the etched glass but they replaced the entire SSD and then booted it off a thumb stick for a clean SteamOS install

[mild otter]

Ik but I thought someone said the y4gb only had emmc instead of an ssd

Which is weird bc I don't want an emmc

But it looks like you can

[calm kestrel]

They fit a SSD but I think they used electrical tape behind the SSD to insulate it from stuff behind it since it was slightly longer

I could be wrong tho I haven’t watched the upgrade video in a couple weeks

[mild otter]

Idk imma just get the 64gb version and slap an ssd in it

And I guess I could just wipe the 64gb emmc and use it as storage

[calm kestrel]

The 256gb does come with a nice case. But I think imma make my own case out of a Milwaukee pack out box so I can carry a controller and charger/accessories with me to work

[dreamy rose]

it does say its EMMC

[calm kestrel]

Milwaukee 48-22-8435 PACKOUT Compact Organizer https://a.co/d/6KRSHXb like this but with a custom foam insert for the steam deck and controller

[mild otter]

Should have worded it better. They said it was only emmc and did not have an ssd slot

[dry dust]

That’s cool. But not as cool as our sponsor…

[dry dust]

I put a 512gb ssd and a 1tb sd card in mine and dual booted mine

[mild otter]

64gb?

[dry dust]

Yes

[mild otter]

Is there a way to get rid of the emmc

[dry dust]

It’s just in the ssd slot

[mild otter]

As it just becomes redundant

[dry dust]

It uses the ssd slot, just take it out and replace it with a bigger ssd

[mild otter]

Oh, I thought it was just soldered onto the motherboard

[dry dust]

Nope, it was a really easy replacement as well

[vapid smelt]

I got the base model and bought a 512gb SSD and 512gb SD card

[dry dust]

Took me like 5 mins

[mild otter]

Ik I've seen the replacements

[mild otter]

Nice

[fluid ridge]

if you get the better steam decks you get a cool steam profile

[dreamy rose]

that's what EMMC means. a SD card on a motherboard. but i think a 64GB SSD sounds weird now.

[dry dust]

Thinking of buying a 2nd 1tb sd card to use formatted for windows so I have 1.2 tb for both operating systems

[mild otter]

Ah, so they just say emmc but use the SSD slot?

[dreamy rose]

sounds like it

[dry dust]

Essentially and sd card in an ssd slot

[mild otter]

I don't see why you would need windows unless you play anticheat games

[mild otter]

Ah ok

[dry dust]

I play cod and use it to refresh AltStore

And any other stuff that needs windows

[dreamy rose]

Windows is pointless on Deck

[dry dust]

Most games I play with steamos though, it’s a useful thing when I need it

[mild otter]

Ah, I would dualboot but I just prefer not to have windows on a machine unless I need it like on my PC to play cod

[vapid smelt]

Extremely Mediocre Memory Chip

Emmc

[dry dust]

Bingo

[mild otter]

Remove on deck and add in general, much better

[dreamy rose]

close.

[dry dust]

https://tenor.com/view/linus-tech-tips-linus-you-are-wrong-steam-deck-gif-24816481

[mild otter]

Whomp whomp

[dry dust]

Ahh cmon gif

[mild otter]

Epic embed fail

[dreamy rose]

true. Linux has better desktops anyway.

[vapid smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/ltt-linus-linus-tehc-linus-tech-tips-poggersepic-gif-23430099

[mild otter]

Ik, I love qtile

[dreamy rose]

💩 take alert!

[dry dust]

I find windows useful to have

[vapid smelt]

Don't infect your steam deck with windows

[dry dust]

Sometimes I’m away from my pc for more than a week, and then my sideloaded apps expire

[mild otter]

Delete the virus known as system32 hackers use it to add you to a botnet known as Microsoft

[dry dust]

Thanks for the helpful information :D

[mild otter]

[dreamy rose]

wdym Sideloaded apps expire? you talking about iOS?

[dry dust]

Yes

[mild otter]

Android would like to interject for a moment

[dreamy rose]

easy fix: don't buy an iPhone

[mild otter]

Save money and you get a better os if you do that

Ios is only good if you're terminally addicted to messaging people

[dreamy rose]

absolutely. and you can emulate whatever you want on an Android

[dry dust]

I don’t like iOS either, but I don’t have the money to go out and buy a new phone at the moment

[mild otter]

Fair point

[dry dust]

Whenever I do get a new phone, it’ll be android but for now, this one works, sure with side loading workarounds

[dry dust]

Well have a nice day, I’m gonna go back to messing around in rdr2

[dreamy rose]

i'm p sure the Galaxy A13 is good for a cheap and cheerful phone that can emulate a good chunk of stuff. compared to an A11 at least.

tho if you get good money to throw around a A1x phone is rather irrelevant.

[light pivot]

Hi

[dreamy rose]

hi

[granite raptor]

Hi folks, I'm using a 8700k right now and feel like i could use an upgrade. Would now be a good time to get a new cpu motherboard?

[fluid ridge]

anytime is a great time

[dreamy rose]

Zen 3 and a cheap AM4 Motherboard goes a long way.

[granite raptor]

I heard that single core performance matters a lot for game fps, but then the best single core per comes from 13900KF which seems like overkill

[polar fern]

Hmmmmm. One of the problemsI’m going to run into buying a case or whatever is it I need a DVD-RW drive bay

[dreamy rose]

a USB DVD/Bluray Drive should work fine enough no?

[granite raptor]

Would a zen3 ryzen 7 be good?

[dreamy rose]

absolutely.

[polar fern]

No I need a dvd rw/ram drive not blu ray

Sigh

[dreamy rose]

you'd want a 7800X3D. bur if you are gonna dive into that one you might find it overkill

[tepid bolt]

Cache matters more for games

It's why the x3d cpus are so overpowered compared to their counterparts

[dreamy rose]

as evidenced by the 7800X3D being the best chip for gaming.

that Shit stomps all over intel.

[granite raptor]

What metric would i be comparing? I vaguely recall terms like l3 cache

No idea what they mean🤣

[dreamy rose]

Vcache vs no Vcache

[polar fern]

Gimme teh cache

[tepid bolt]

You can't rely on a single metric because it depends on the generation

[polar fern]

I prefer to rely on a single obscure system of measurement

[dreamy rose]

AMD Should be putting their 880M igpus into their Zen 5 CPUs. it doesn't matter if they are trying for the laptop market its a missed opportunity to not put a 12CU iGPU in their Desktop chips.

[polar fern]

Yeah weird.

Vega 11 was very good.

[tepid bolt]

Well the thing is APUs are monolithic not chiplet

[polar fern]

Key word was.

[valid siren]

current gen AMD is chiplet-based, and have iGPUs.

[tepid bolt]

But that's on the I/O die

And only 2 CUs

Can't fit better integrated graphics unless you make the CPUs bigger

[granite raptor]

so intel cpus don't have vcache but rather something called smart cache is that the same thing

[tepid bolt]

So don't expect anything close to 12 CUs on a desktop chiplet am5

[dreamy rose]

they can just modify the IO die,

[tepid bolt]

Intel doesn't have anything like v-cache

Not yet atleast

[polar fern]

AMD making chiclets?!

[granite raptor]

dang, doesn't that make AMD cpus way better for gaming

[dreamy rose]

i guess you can say L4.

[tepid bolt]

So less/worse pcie lanes for better iGPU?

[polar fern]

@granite raptor yes

[granite raptor]

should i wait for AM5/

[dreamy rose]

not if its a bigger Die.

[tepid bolt]

And how do you fit that

[dreamy rose]

can you wait an extra year?

[polar fern]

With WD-40

[granite raptor]

some online article said AM5 coming in fall 2023

[tepid bolt]

AM5 came out fall 2022

[dreamy rose]

you mean Zen 5?

[polar fern]

Fun fact, WD-40 was used on rockets to keep the ice from hanging on at launch. Would mess up the mass & trajectory etc

That’s why you see it all fall off at launch

[granite raptor]

ah my bad, sorry haven't looked into the cpu market in a bit. i guess i meant zen 5

[hollow pulsar]

“When it should move, but doesn’t. WD-40”. Still rings true.

[tepid bolt]

When it shouldn't move, but does. Duct tape.

[hollow pulsar]

Can you imagine engineering rockets to account for ice and then having a bunch of tech’s duct taping ice to the rocket before launch?

[polar fern]

Thrust

[hollow pulsar]

News stations be showing the rocket on screen and reporting “this absolute cluster-wreck” is your tax dollars at work and will take these astronaugts to space!”

[granite raptor]

oh and one more thing, is it worth the upgrade from ddr4 to ddr5? i have like 32gb of corsiar dominator plat that I feel bad just throwing away...

[polar fern]

Nah not yet

It’s just beginning to be integrated

[dreamy rose]

its better for an iGPU thats for sure.

you wont be using one tho

[polar fern]

Yes when it runs out of onboard vram

[gilded quest]

1. don't throw it away. Use it for something else or sell it (or donate it ffs)

[tepid bolt]

Well am5 only takes ddr5 so you have no choice lol

[dreamy rose]

there would be plenty of DDR4 yes men that would love more RAM

[granite raptor]

dam, so I guess my choices are

1. AM4 5800x3d ($326 sale on amazon now) so I can keep my memory and just buy a new mother board.
2. Get AM5 7800x3d ($449) and get new mother board and ddr5 ram

[dreamy rose]

AM4 is pretty dead out of an upgrade path if thats what you consider.

[granite raptor]

yeah im worried about the upgrade path too

[dreamy rose]

then you might want AM5

[gilded quest]

I'll take some dom play ddr4

[granite raptor]

looks like I'll have to skip some date nights with my super hot girlfriend for the big upgrade

and also look to sell my ddr4 ram too if anyone needs it

[dreamy rose]

dropping in a new AM5 board should only take an hour or two at most.

[hollow pulsar]

Not worth it.

[granite raptor]

no i mean the money lol

terrible joke aside. Thanks a lot guys for the help! Gonna go check if I can afford the 7800x3d upgrade 😄

[dreamy rose]

also: same vibe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=197&v=xBPmqpgElPo

[granite raptor]

❤️ you all

[dreamy rose]

ihope you can afford it and achieve some high frames

may your frames be high and Temps low

[tepid bolt]

Just get the 5800x3d and keep what you have

[granite raptor]

im using an nzxt kraken x73 should be good right?

[tepid bolt]

Overkill

[granite raptor]

most likely I'll end up doing that. Not sure how I'm gonna get the money for the bigger upgrade...

[dreamy rose]

yeah if you cant afford it. better to just go for the 5800X3D

[dusky oyster]

anyone here have a Samsung a23?

[eager venture]

That’s like 200 usd off

[dreamy rose]

i wish

[granite raptor]

"With the new generation of AMD processors comes a new CPU socket type, AM5. Unfortunately, this new socket has changed the mounting height and our previous AMD brackets do not safely support it."
I gotta get a new cooler as well cries in broke

[dreamy rose]

they tried to maintain Cooler compatibility

[granite raptor]

alright just watched the ltt video on 7800x3d and i am sold... this thing is insane

[short escarp]

It feels good to be back

[calm kestrel]

Hence why I’ve been thinking about snagging it

[dreamy rose]

Whos back?

[calm kestrel]

I’m a deal hunter scum bag lol

[calm kestrel]

Shadys back

[short escarp]

Long story. Hope everyone is having a good night

[short escarp]

Back again

[calm kestrel]

Tell a friend

[dreamy rose]

i'm waiting for X3D parts on laptops

[dreamy rose]

if you think its stupid then you can think again.

[full fossil]

Very efficient chips. Why not

[dreamy rose]

the limitations set by the Cache, align with the laptop formfactor limitations.

[full fossil]

Im thinking mobile chips with 3d vcache

[dreamy rose]

sure you can Overclock on a laptop but you'd be suprised if it worked without overheating

[full fossil]

Amd mobile is really impressive. I know it pretty well

[hushed finch]

i have the iphone 13 pro max i can upgrade to the 14 pro max for free or do i wait til the 15 pro max like is it worth the upgrade

[full fossil]

Runs really efficient. I limit mine to 18w and it’s still fast

I don’t think you can do that on an intel mobile chip with decent performance

[manic torrent]

As a rule, it will likely give you nothing. Possibly make it slower.

[manic torrent]

You can.

[full fossil]

18w amd mobile destroys 18w intel afaik

[dreamy rose]

what about undervolting? that should work should it not?

[dreamy rose]

intel has to feed more cores. even if they are half cores. i'd assume that's true based on that.

[manic torrent]

"destroys" - I mean, it depends what you're doing. AMD is generally more effecient and gives you more speed per watt

[manic torrent]

That... Isn't how it works

[full fossil]

Yep. I know intel is faster at a higher wattage tho

[manic torrent]

My point is more that yes AMD is a better choice, but it doesn't mean Intel is garbage, and you have to take into consideration the whole laptop

[full fossil]

It just doesn’t do so well at 10-20w. It is not clocking/scaling well at all

The node disadvantage is killing them in mobile

[thorny axle]

Plus you actually have to worry about power draw for battery life

[dreamy rose]

Zen 4 is going up to 16 core in high end laptops. i think thats mad.

[full fossil]

That’s faster than most desktop computers lol

16 cores 32 threads is no joke

No e core bullshit. Full fat cores

[dreamy rose]

yeah. 16 is a lot for a Consumer CPU. and being full fat Cores.

[manic torrent]

Yeah but that would be for desktop replacement workstations and high end laptops

[full fossil]

Not gonna be cheap lol

[thorny axle]

When the 13980HX has 24 cores 32 threads and you don’t care

[full fossil]

Dayum

[dreamy rose]

granted its a 7945HX. but its being done and soon its gonna come to cheaper chips

[full fossil]

Take it easy AMD, Intel lol

Hold on with the innovations jk

[dreamy rose]

Ecores =/= p cores

[thorny axle]

32 threads = 32 threads

[vivid hearth]

Now if only Radeon could finally confidently get their shit together :C

[full fossil]

I have a 13700k. Those e cores aint no bitch lol

Theyre actually pretty fast for what they are

[thorny axle]

And 2 ecores per p core is an underestimate of performance

[dreamy rose]

they arent a P core still.

[full fossil]

Thread Director 2 is smart af

[manic torrent]

Yes.... But what workload are you running

[full fossil]

Those E cores are getting a lot of work now

[dreamy rose]

AMD is all full fat P Core. and 16 in a 16-17 inch laptop.

[vivid hearth]

But what workload for E-cores?

[thorny axle]

And Intel has 50% more cores

[full fossil]

ALL background tasks are in the e cores now with Thread Director 2

[thorny axle]

Only those 50% have half the threads

[dreamy rose]

50% more half cores.

[thorny axle]

It adds up to the same number of threads, lol. You have some serious bias here

[full fossil]

I dont really mind big.little

[fast glade]

Hey guys, just a bit of inquiry here concerning networks.

[full fossil]

Gimme more cores!!! Moaaar coaaarssss

[manic torrent]

TLDR: modern laptops from AMD and Intel are amazing in terms of performance and efficiency.

[full fossil]

Not too long ago, 6/12 used to be HEDT lol

[thorny axle]

Idk if I’d say Intel is amazing with efficiency, but definitely performance

[full fossil]

My 2 year old laptop still amazes me today

[dreamy rose]

it does. however AMD isn't relying on many cut down small cores.

[thorny axle]

Tbh Intel has the desktop replacement market, and the market if you don’t mind using a charger

[full fossil]

Can’t believe I have 8/16 on a 14”

[manic torrent]

Like I said, and is better but it doesn't mean Intel is pure garbage.

[thorny axle]

“Relying on” 💀 drop the fanboying

[thorny axle]

Of course, Intel has their own market to worry about

[full fossil]

Yea who cares about big.little. As long as it’s fast af

[fast glade]

Can I set another router connection to work from an existing one in a LAN >> WAN method but through powerline bridging?

Basically, living room main router LAN >> Powerline 1 >> bedroom Powerline 2 >> New router WAN port.

Does that work?

[full fossil]

Let the engineers do the engineering. We do the consuming

[dreamy rose]

i'd say 8 P and 16 E is reliant.

[vivid hearth]

With relative performance now being good enough for most normal consumers, I'm personally looking for more efficent laptops... pretty much though I'mma just save money for a frameworks boi.

[full fossil]

Get a mac lol

[manic torrent]

Yes

[vivid hearth]

Nah.

[full fossil]

You wont get efficiency in windows side

If you want 20 hour battery. 🍎 is the way to go

[thorny axle]

I’d say you are too biased to talk to reasonably about comparing AMD to Intel

[fast glade]

Thanks. I wanna experiment first before investing on a more powerful router since I'm stuck on WiFi 5 router despite my pc able to support WiFi 6E

[thorny axle]

This guy is seriously the type who bought bulldozer

[full fossil]

Yep lol. Fanboys make me sick

[stray apex]

consoles are on AMD guys, they'll optimize games for multicore soon!

[dreamy rose]

funny for you to say, because i didnt get a damn choice what i run.

[thorny axle]

MacBooks are by far the most efficient, and if you don’t need windows-specific programs or want to game, they are the go-to option

[full fossil]

Anything just to bash on Intel lol

You dont have to buy intel if you don’t want to

[dreamy rose]

i'm stuck on Sandy Bridge/ Fermi against my will.

[full fossil]

You cannot go wrong this generation. It’s not like the good ol bulldozer days

AMD or Intel both fkn great right now

[thorny axle]

It’s no longer

Need CPU -> Intel

Now there’s actually reasons to buy both

[manic torrent]

My problem is that at 4k with my 3080ti, a CPU upgrade from my 5700x won't get me anything

[full fossil]

You literally cant go wrong. An idiot cant make a mistake buying a shit cpu

[thorny axle]

There’s actually competition!

[dreamy rose]

majority of the time. picking up an AMD now, is the right idea

[thorny axle]

I mean, 7950X3D exists, but I get the point

[stray apex]

it basically doesn't matter for like 99% of consumers

[full fossil]

Ryzen 5000 onwards everything got fast af

[stray apex]

realistically
what's the difference between a 7600 and a 13900k for your average user

[full fossil]

You literally cant go wrong. Ryzen 5000, 12th gen onwards

[stray apex]

they aren't gonna notice shit

[thorny axle]

Probably pretty small

Though assuming they have that budget, perhaps less small

[full fossil]

Fanboys make me sick. There’s absolutely no reason to be on Intel or AMD’s nuts

Both of them are assholes. Nvidia is the biggest one

[thorny axle]

They both are doing perfectly fine

eh, sort of

[stray apex]

the level of assholishness is directly proportional to how well they're doing

[full fossil]

Everyone hates nvidia but we keep on buying their shit

[dreamy rose]

what about battery life and Integrated Graphics? RDNA smacks the shit out of Xe, and Zen is gonna give you much better battery life anywho

[stray apex]

like the second AMD came out with zen 3 and had a proper advantage they started bullshit

oh, no, we aren't releasing threadripper

actually, we don't really want to support b350 guys

[full fossil]

AMD looking more of a dick recently lol

[dreamy rose]

the ones who say they hate Nvidia but keep buying are just plain lying

[full fossil]

Theyre doing well that’s why

[stray apex]

meanwhile intel is doing poorly now so they actually have to like, price properly or something

and nvidia is actually just trying to find out the maximum amount people are willing to pay

[digital dock]

Hour #10 in delivery room... hmm how to make this tech related, small form factor computers in hospitals these days..

[full fossil]

Fuck Nvidia for having me pay $1150 for a gpu. I actually love this hobby and I can afford it so why not

[thorny axle]

I mean, Intel still had a higher revenue than AMD, but they’ve definitely fallen a lot further than AMD

[dreamy rose]

are you going to buy Radeon?

[stray apex]

yeah, so they're being less shit

[full fossil]

No

[dreamy rose]

why not?

[manic torrent]

Are you?

[full fossil]

I dont want to

[manic torrent]

I bought some NVIDIA and some AMD GPUs.

[dreamy rose]

abso fuckin lutely

[full fossil]

It’s my $1100

[thorny axle]

Yeah, it’s a -100% drop instead of a -120%

[full fossil]

My money my choice lmao. I worked hard for this shit

[thorny axle]

Hopefully Intel does better this year

[stray apex]

battlemage plz

[dreamy rose]

why not?

[manic torrent]

I bought a 3080ti for $700 AUD. Can't compete with that.

[thorny axle]

Radeon is currently not the choice

[full fossil]

I enjoy stable drivers like most people

Id gladly pay the $100 tax.

[manic torrent]

Ehhh, Radeon is fine.

[stray apex]

for gaming, yes

[thorny axle]

NVIDIA is more efficient, faster, has better drivers, better features etc etc etc etc etc

[full fossil]

Again it’s my money. Buy radeon. It’s a great gpu

[stray apex]

if you do other stuff, radeon can still be iffy

[dreamy rose]

"Drivers bad" just like an Nvidia fan huh?

[manic torrent]

Obviously

[full fossil]

Do what you want with your money

[thorny axle]

This is easily enough reason to buy NVIDIA

[manic torrent]

Absolutely not more effecient rdna2 vs 3000

[full fossil]

Leave me alone and let me enjoy my frames lol

[thorny axle]

That is last gen

[stray apex]

lovelace is crazy efficient, though

[full fossil]

Ive owned more AMD gpus tbh

[manic torrent]

And current gen is all stupid expensive

[full fossil]

I can show pictures if you want lol

[thorny axle]

your money, your choice ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[manic torrent]

There is no midrange current gen, so last gen is current gen for most people

[full fossil]

My Vega 64 experience killed me. It was horrible.

[dreamy rose]

40 series is just stupid in general.

[stray apex]

that's because last gen sold so poorly they still have shitloads of stock

so it's really hard to justify releasing a midrange when it's going to be competing with shit retailers still have in stock

[thorny axle]

Fanboying again, just so you know

[full fossil]

Im stupid

[manic torrent]

As well as the huge amount of second hand cards

[stray apex]

ah yeah, crypto

[manic torrent]

The 40 series are objectively very good cards.

[thorny axle]

Just at less very good pricing

[full fossil]

Imagine the 4080 at $800

[dreamy rose]

Absolutely not. it is when Nvidia's idea of "Value" isn't price to actual perf, its just price to DLSS perf

[thorny axle]

1080 moment

[full fossil]

4080 at $800 would’ve shook my balls

[thorny axle]

You are the heaviest fanboy I’ve ever seen

[manic torrent]

..... Except that the frames per dollar calc by media doesn't use dlss ......

[dreamy rose]

Nvidia's is. nvidias benchmarks are.

[thorny axle]

Seriously, I’d need to drop you in a tub of water, find your volume, then use the density of saturated fats to calculate your mass. The glass on my scale would shatter. That’s how heavily you’re fanboying. Get the picture?

[full fossil]

Probably on AMD’s payroll

Fanboys stink

[manic torrent]

Ok ?

[full fossil]

Intel nvidia evil. AMD numba one lol

[dreamy rose]

they cant say "No you must use DLSS in your benchmarks and DLSS only" because that's not gonna look good for their image.

[full fossil]

AMD has been sus lately pricing everything so high lol

[stray apex]

meanwhile amd's marketing benchmarks lmao

maybe if AMD didn't want to disappoint their fanboys every gen they should stop lying in their fucking slides

also maybe people should ignore marketing slides

[thorny axle]

AMD is so perfect, they totally have not done anything controversial or unpopular recently…

…right??…

[thorny axle]

Maybe marketing slides are marketing, which is a tool to help you sell your stuff. Sound like a reasonable hypothesis?

[stray apex]

impossible
we should use them to make purchasing decisions

[dreamy rose]

their Benchmarks were real. just with an Artifacting issue cause by it being a 1ST GEN CHIPLET GPU.

[stray apex]

their benchmarks were real (except they weren't)

[dreamy rose]

they cant release a GPU with a massive issue like Artifacting and the fix slowed it down.

[thorny axle]

AMD says they are 50% better than Intel. Intel says they are 50% better than AMD. Therefore, Intel is 125% better than Intel

[tender geyser]

ahahaha

[full fossil]

AMD: makes MCM gpus for higher yields, priced their gpus inline with Nvidia’s monilithic gpu’s. More $$$$ for AMD. Consumers take the L lol

[thorny axle]

Less efficient too, even though these fanboys are always bringing up efficiency of the CPUs compared to Intel’s

[dreamy rose]

they are absolutely Real benchmarks. they ran them With said issue.

[stray apex]

efficiency only matters when it benefits AMD

[thorny axle]

Here’s a question, how does the power draw difference between the 7950XTXXTXXX and the 4090 compare to the 13900K and 7950X3DPX3D

[stray apex]

that's like saying it would be okay if nvidia overclocked the shit out of the 4090 on marketing slides and then didn't actually sell you the 600w version

[thorny axle]

It’s a shunt GPU, but that’s beside the point, still a 4090!

[dreamy rose]

it isn't but ok

[full fossil]

Chiplets, MCM = higher yields. Why is AMD expensive again? Intel and nvidia have monilithic dies. Why are they priced the same?

[thorny axle]

Actually though, I’m a bit curious

[stray apex]

just because they removed the shunt mod so it wouldn't trigger ocp doesn't mean that it's not valid!

[thorny axle]

Intel + NVIDIA vs 2•AMD

[stray apex]

because every single non-epyc chip AMD makes could've been an epyc chip

gotta take into account AMD"s massive opportunity cost of not abandoning GPU outright

[full fossil]

Just saying AMD is no friend of the little guy. Mfers just as crooked as the rest

[thorny axle]

Of course, to get the same performance

Obviously a 13900K can be more performant than a 7950X3D, and a 4090 faster than a 7950XTX

So you have kind of a bit of room to settle down the power limits

[thorny axle]

To get that rich, you need to be skilled, lucky, and most importantly of all: controversial!

[idle skiff]

techlinked is growing on me

[full fossil]

I have no brand preference. Just a store preference. Whatever is the best deal. I’m there like swimwear. Intel has been easier on the wallet the last couple of years.

[gilded quest]

I love Riley

[dreamy rose]

like a Tumor or do you like it?

[thorny axle]

Blue is obviously a cooler color than red, so go blue 100%

[idle skiff]

When i first started watching TL It felt kind of obnoxious (not the hosts, just the back-and-forth writing style) but lately ive found myself watching them when they come out

[thorny axle]

Goes with green better too, what are you making with AMD+NVIDIA? A Christmas PC?

[idle skiff]

I like it now

[thorny axle]

Totally the way you should choose your PC parts

[dreamy rose]

Blue makes me angry. along with Orange. because it means Windows crashed

[thorny axle]

Orange?

[dreamy rose]

orange

[thorny axle]

Tbh I don’t remember any orange screens of death

[dreamy rose]

its a Blue screen. its just that the GPU Fucked up

[thorny axle]

Imagine not having an iGPU backup

[hollow pulsar]

That's me! (Works just fine actually. Never had a single issue with my first-gen Ryzen CPU)

[thorny axle]

Tbh idk if that really works that way, I’ve just never had that issue before

[fluid ridge]

i dont see why people have a problem with labelling government funded media as government funded media

[full fossil]

Ryzen 5 7600 feels dated. 6c/12t is not cutting it for AMD anymore. i5 13th gen is 12 cores now. Ryzen 5 8600 better be 8 cores or have some big.little bs too

[dreamy rose]

it was happening on my HD 3000 iGPU

[thorny axle]

Nah 24 cores

Otherwise I’m buying Intel, 100%

[dreamy rose]

big little could just be Nerfed full cores.

[thorny axle]

Intel will have 32 cores

[hollow pulsar]

Hopefully you are core-ect.

[full fossil]

It actually works. Unlike the bulldozer bullshit

[tender geyser]

its great

cbc said they were less than 70% government funded

[gilded quest]

[dreamy rose]

and more than half will be puny half cores?

[thorny axle]

AMD about to add some e cores and this guy will start supporting that, even though he won’t for Intel

[tender geyser]

perfect opportunity for elon memer man

[fluid ridge]

thats still more than a majority though

[stray apex]

no
he's gonna stan xeon w5

[thorny axle]

Lol

[full fossil]

Intel used to hate on cinebench. Now they love it. E cores carried the load

[dreamy rose]

theres a difference between clocking down and reducing cache on full cores and making a Second Architecture to have half cores.

[thorny axle]

Be honest with yourself

[full fossil]

Ok?

[thorny axle]

What do you think will be the leading CPU company in 10 years, not that it matters

[full fossil]

Intel and AMD still

Just like 10 years ago back in high school

[dreamy rose]

not apple.

[thorny axle]

Personally, just looking at the history books, Intel really looks better off than AMD

[thorny axle]

Oh, apple, good point. They definitely have a good chance

[stray apex]

it's probably gonna be something stupid like microsoft or google

[thorny axle]

This arm tech is definitely working for them

[full fossil]

Apple SoC is actuallt awesome

[thorny axle]

Eh, I’d bet on apple way before that

[dreamy rose]

unless they put their CPUs out for ppl to buy. Mac fans are the only ones buying.

[stray apex]

"mac fans"
do you also call people who drink coke "coke fans"

m1 macbook is like
objectively the best general use laptop on the market right now

[full fossil]

It is

[thorny axle]

Well, actually, I have something to say to that

[full fossil]

Macbooks shitting on windows laptops right now

[dreamy rose]

if they go out their way to drink coke then yes, absolutely.

[thorny axle]

The M2 MacBooks are looking pretty sweet too, at least to some extent

[dreamy rose]

same with a Mac.

[stray apex]

eh, they cost too much for no real benefit

[thorny axle]

lol

[eager venture]

I’d get it

[full fossil]

There is a mac mini on sale right now on Amazon

[stray apex]

the only real difference between m1 and m2 macbook is the design

and also m2 has shitter ssd, but that doesn't really matter

[full fossil]

Look at this shit. How can you say apple is OP

[thorny axle]

I mean, the air is completely silent, better battery life across the board, and higher performance for the high end

[gilded quest]

you found the one reasonably priced thing apple sells

[stray apex]

the difference between m1 and m2 are basically irrelevant on base airs for general use so

[full fossil]

M1 macbook

[thorny axle]

Tbh the MacBooks are fairly reasonable

[gilded quest]

also they still charge $200 for ram upgrade, and $200 for storage upgrade

[full fossil]

It’s cool to hate on apple. Theyre succesful for a reason

[gilded quest]

smh i was trying to make a point

[dreamy rose]

they never sold anything for a reasonable price

[stray apex]

$900 for an m1 air is great

[gilded quest]

the base price of mac mini, macbook air, and mbp, are all fairly reasonable
but any upgrades makes them shit value

[thorny axle]

Seriously, there’s still nothing in the world that can quite compete

[full fossil]

All arguments went out the window after Apple M1

[stray apex]

excellent 3:2 display, good keyboard, big trackpad, great battery, performs much better than you'll need

[gilded quest]

$200 for 256GB of storage? for fucks sake

[full fossil]

Apple m1 shits on everything tbh

[gilded quest]

lies but cool

[manic torrent]

objectively not true. I mean, yes, they are in general overpriced, but you say shit like this and it takes a single product to disprove. Apple DAC dongle.

[random jolt]

hardware is great but it's macos that I can't get behind

[stray apex]

eh, for general users OS is pretty irrelevant

[dreamy rose]

2600 USD in 1984 for a 68K, Floppy Drive, Monochrome CRT display and KB/M isnt a good value.

[thorny axle]

Name one laptop that actually has comparable battery life, performance, and build quality for a better price

[stray apex]

really pulling out the most relevant products

[random jolt]

yeah that's fair

[thorny axle]

1984, damn, glad you know that

[gilded quest]

mate i was talking M1 performance

M1 performance is mid

[manic torrent]

40 years ago is a useless and irrelevant metric

[gilded quest]

which is FINE for the products its in

[thorny axle]

Hey, 39. Get your facts straight

[dreamy rose]

not when it carries on to this day.

[gilded quest]

but like my m1 mba is fast for being a fanless device, but its not that fast

[manic torrent]

comparing computing prices from 1984 to 2023 is absolutely stupid

[gilded quest]

also my battery is at like 80% health now

[stray apex]

I mean, you can do finalcut on it, which is more intensive than what almost anyone actually does on a laptop

[thorny axle]

You are the couch cushion that AMD is sitting on: blind and seriously kissing their butt

[manic torrent]

after 30, nobody cares anymore 😉

[thorny axle]

Old, not obsolete

[gilded quest]

zen 3+ and zen 4 mobile solutions are looking pretty competitive

[stray apex]

okay, but how would they do fanless?

[dreamy rose]

when you realize the closest product at the time you would buy one was 1000 dollars and better in every way. yeah i think Apples prices have always been garbage mate.

[thorny axle]

It’s a MacBook Air

[stray apex]

do you think you could successfully run premiere on an AMD windows laptop that's like... under a cm thick with no fan

[manic torrent]

the entire nature of computing and the market was fundamentally different.

[thorny axle]

Dude, find something from today which is actually relevant, and an undeniably better product as an alternative

[manic torrent]

I'm not even going to research if your claim is true or not, because it doesn't matter. it has no bearing on anything.

Nobody is on the other side of "apple overcharges for a lot of shit"

[dreamy rose]

and that's what enabled Apples terrible rounding in prices. its been the same for near 40 years. nothing changed to stop them.

[stray apex]

nobody show this guy professional hardware

[manic torrent]

that's right. There's NO competition. Nobody has sold computers in that time.

[thorny axle]

If you want to be that way, I think AMD’s 1975 copy of Intel’s chip from 1971 was a ripoff! Still relevant today!

[full fossil]

It’s sad being a fanboy tho. You limit yourself to one platform. You cant even enjoy all the cool tech in the world lol

[cosmic ore]

Tbh Adobe software actually just runs worse on Windows

[stray apex]

are you telling me adobe software isn't a dumpster fire on macos

[dreamy rose]

Commodore Amiga 1000. released 1985, 1000 USD, same 68K, ran a better OS, had a Chipset that blew the PC, ST and Macintosh out the water.

[thorny axle]

Intel had created the first microprocessor, its 4-bit 4004, in 1971. By 1975, AMD entered the microprocessor market with the Am9080, a reverse-engineered clone of the Intel 8080, and the Am2900 bit-slice microprocessor family. When Intel began installing microcode in its microprocessors in 1976, it entered into a cross-licensing agreement with AMD, which was granted a copyright license to the microcode in its microprocessors and peripherals, effective October 1976.

Always have been jerks, always will be

[manic torrent]

and had all the exact same peripherals, and was targeted at the same market.

[thorny axle]

That may have been nearly 50 years ago, but that attitude persists to this day. 😤

That was almost 50 years ago, wow

[full fossil]

Look at this sh

[thorny axle]

Dude, you’re arguing about product choices from 1984, find something today

[dreamy rose]

Amiga 1000 was meant for business. but it was apparent it was perfect for Gaming. so they did exactly that.

[stray apex]

apparently the amigaOS was buggy at time of launch

[manic torrent]

why are all of your examples from the dawn of time.

[stray apex]

even months after release

[thorny axle]

What is amigaOS, and why aren’t they around today?

[manic torrent]

apple destroyed them with overpriced alternatives!.......

[dreamy rose]

never said it was perfect. just plain cooler than Macintosh.

[stray apex]

apparently they had shit documentation which made developing for it a pain in the ass, and shit marketing strategy so even less people would bother to develop for it

[full fossil]

Another one

[thorny axle]

Controversy! Yay! Who knew that no company is perfect

[stray apex]

later, commodore was apparently notorious for treating dealers and customers poorly

[dreamy rose]

in 1993 the Upper management killed Commodore by focusing on a console instead of updating the chipsets. Boneheaded Execs.

[thorny axle]

So, now

[stray apex]

the microcomputer industry abounds with horror stories describing the way Commodore treats its dealers and its customers."[35] Many in the industry believed rumors in late 1983 that Commodore would discontinue the 64 despite its great success because they disliked the company's business practices, including poor treatment of dealers and introducing new computers incompatible with existing ones. One dealer said "It's too unsettling to be one of their dealers and not know where you stand with them."[36] After Tramiel's departure, another journalist wrote that he "had never been able to establish very good relations with computer dealers ... computer retailers have accused Commodore of treating them as harshly as if they were suppliers or competitors, and as a result, many have become disenchanted with Commodore and dropped the product line".[20] However, upon the 1987 introduction of the Amiga 2000, Commodore retreated from its earlier strategy of selling its computers to discount outlets and toy stores, and now favored authorized dealers.[37][38][39] Software developers also disliked the company, with one stating that "Dealing with Commodore was like dealing with Attila the Hun."[40] At the 1987 Comdex, an informal InfoWorld survey found that none of the developers present planned to write for Commodore platforms.[41] Although Comdex was oriented toward business computing, not Commodore's traditional consumer market, such a response did not bode well for Commodore's efforts to establish the Amiga as a business platform.

[thorny axle]

Please find something they’re selling today which is relevant and is outclassed completely by a competing product

[stray apex]

tl;dr nobody fucking liked them

[thorny axle]

“Dealing with commodore was like dealing with Attila the Hun.”

That is genuinely hilarious

[dreamy rose]

Workbench lived on to a few enthusiast system based on PPC and promptly died after Workbench 4.1 FE. though AROS exists anyway to continue what was done. with 4.1

[thorny axle]

Please find something they’re selling today which is relevant and is outclassed completely by a competing product

[vapid smelt]

if only it was a ddr5 board

[thorny axle]

We really don’t give a damn about what you’re talking about right now

[timid meadow]

Ez pickup wtf are those prices

[manic torrent]

"hey guys what if I ignore a whole bunch of context and just cherry pick some shit to make some sort of insane point - and that shit doesn't even back up my point"

[cosmic ore]

Didn't they only stop selling the iPod a few years ago

[dreamy rose]

they are Defunct. yes. but what i'm saying is apple always has and will always price their systems like shit.

[hollow pulsar]

I foresee a career in a marketing department.

[stray apex]

"Commodore, where Hartmann was head of software, apparently provided little or no support for software authors who wrote programs for the Commodore 64 and Vic 20. One product developer says that under Tramiel, Commodore never alerted anyone to hardware changes, which frustrated independent software companies"

[manic torrent]

ok, so now it's systems. You said they never had a PRODUCT that was priced ok

[thorny axle]

Please find something they’re selling today which is relevant and is outclassed completely by a competing product. I.e, an overpriced product with no reason to be overpriced. The MacBooks would not be an example as their offer unparalleled battery life, giving them effectively a monopoly

[stray apex]

y'know how you can make your shit cheap
Planned obsolescence and garbage support and marketing

[cosmic ore]

When the M1 Air was released it was literally the best value laptop you could get lol, and beat everything in its price range and even several in the next tier

[stray apex]

it still is

[manic torrent]

lets go ahead and just... move those goalposts a bit shall we

[dreamy rose]

their Systems ARE the product.

[cosmic ore]

That's fucking sad

[stray apex]

who else offers a system like the apple ecosystem?

[plush rivet]

Hint: none.

[manic torrent]

I mean, apple makes a wide variety of products?

[thorny axle]

Tbh, idk if it’s that sad that we have laptops like the M1

[plush rivet]

their isn’t a single ecosystem that can compete with apple

[vapid smelt]

what are we fighting discussing about?

[cosmic ore]

No I'm saying it's sad that few are willing or capable to compete with it

[dreamy rose]

tech products. they are all systems. they are priced like shit. simple to understand is it not?

[plush rivet]

I just go here no idea

[manic torrent]

bionicseaserpent has a take again.

[vapid smelt]

how the fuck did you say jew and not idea

[plush rivet]

Stfu

anyways what’s the take

[manic torrent]

as I said - the apple DAC. it's literally unmatched.

[stray apex]

apple products are overpriced because in 1984 the amiga 1000 was cheaper than whatever macintosh they had?

[thorny axle]

There’s a reason apple is almost larger than Intel, NVIDIA, Google, AMD, and TSMC all combined

[fluid ridge]

autocorrect!!!

[plush rivet]

oh, he’s a massive apple shill

That’s like a known thing I wouldn’t even try to argue that with him

[thorny axle]

(2.76T vs 2.61T)

[stray apex]

iphone op plz nerf

[plush rivet]

Not even almost, they are

[thorny axle]

No, not anymore

[plush rivet]

Really? What’s their share?

[vapid smelt]

nah 2600 is

[thorny axle]

I just checked, I was actually going to say they were but decided to check again

[manic torrent]

Market cap is a stupid way of measuring companies, but hey

[plush rivet]

I haven’t checked on apple ina while

[dreamy rose]

Apple always sold overpriced products and that's keeping them alive, and allowing them to continue to sell garbage at high prices.

[thorny axle]

I mean, I think do you not agree it roughly orders them by how large they are?

[plush rivet]

I mean the products work

and hey iPhone is still the most popular phone in the world

[thorny axle]

Apple products don’t sell because they’re expensive, they sell because they work

[stray apex]

ehhh
it's really an indicator of how well finance people think they'll do in the future

[dreamy rose]

but they were not nessisarily good.

[manic torrent]

Apple has NEVER sold ANYTHING for a reasonable price.

[stray apex]

as linus likes to say
his aunt never figured out how to use android in years
but she learned how to use her first iphone

[thorny axle]

I mean, sure. But it’s just an easy way to do it

Either way, the point stands

Apple is absolutely gigantic and extremely powerful. They really can do whatever they set their minds to

[vapid smelt]

the 2017 iphone 8 cost $699 and got the latest iOS 16 update i say thats a amazing value

[stray apex]

can they make the iphone of AR though

[thorny axle]

I can just imagine the guy who first brought up the idea “Hey, guys. Let’s make the most efficient computer”

[dreamy rose]

people who "Cant figure out android" are absolutely lying. how TF can you not figure out android of all things? its not CLI Linux.

[thorny axle]

And out came the M1

[stray apex]

tfw you forget that people who were alive before computers still exist

[thorny axle]

Apple devices in general are just EXTREMELY user friendly

Maybe even more so than windows, it’s a tough call

[manic torrent]

... and that not all people have the same experience and privelege

[dreamy rose]

Windows isn't friendly to anyone

[stray apex]

yeah, a lot of younger people don't even know how filesystems work because you don't really need it to use most modern technology

[thorny axle]

Calm down there. This guy probably forgot that companies apart from AMD exist

Don’t set your expectations too high

[vapid smelt]

@manic torrent real serious question. before the time we all had computers in our pockets how did you prove someone wrong about a topic or thing in a real life person to person conversation

[dreamy rose]

"Not everyone can afford a phone" by that logic those people cant afford an iPhone either. again. their price has always been too high

[thorny axle]

People weren’t so ignorant for a start

[stray apex]

yes they were lol

people bought encyclopedia sets
and hoped that they were mostly right

or you would go to the library, because encyclopedias are fuckin' expensive

[thorny axle]

I mean, now we have people like that but without the encyclopedias

[manic torrent]

you just had a punch on

[tame mirage]

Hi guys! In the interest of not getting my home network hacked, I have a question regarding something I bought on eBay today

[thorny axle]

Like this @dreamy rose guy

[manic torrent]

for reals though, we were ignorant as fuck. You'd just check with someone else, who was probably also wrong

[tame mirage]

Anyone care to help?

[dreamy rose]

or you would of used the internet. phones weren't on the internet in the 90's.

[manic torrent]

you could just .... tell us what it is

[stray apex]

no you wouldn't, wikipedia didn't exist until the 2000's

[thorny axle]

would have*

[stray apex]

what are you gonna do, buy the encyclopedia britannica?

[thorny axle]

Just buy every book

[tame mirage]

I bought a Steam Link from a seller on eBay that sells a large variety of items, the reviews say 98.1% satisfied, but I’m worried that it may be fake, and may contain something that might infect my network

[manic torrent]

we used microsoft encarta

[manic torrent]

seems unlikely tbh

[thorny axle]

What do the 1.9% say

[dreamy rose]

i've set my knowledge on Fact. Don't come at me when you think its wrong because it doesn't conform to your opinion.

[thorny axle]

Do they say it’s a scam and he hacked their network?

[stray apex]

big.little is bad
meanwhile apple laughing their way to the bank

[thorny axle]

You are the opposite of that. You are the most subjective, ignorant, childish person I’ve seen in a long time

[manic torrent]

looool.

[thorny axle]

And that’s saying something

[tame mirage]

I thought so too. Just being cautionary because he too such a low offer (40 USD, compared to his 60 USD listing) for one that was supposedly never used, just opened. The only negative review I could find high up was someone saying the condition he listed for an item was wrong. I just found it odd that he took a low offer and sells sooooo many different types of items

[stray apex]

I mean
steam link isn't exactly a hot new product

[thorny axle]

You’re probably fine

[tame mirage]

Right, I just figured that the price would be a little higher seeing as it’s not in production and is kinda niche. But you guys have calmed me down

[dreamy rose]

calm down bucko, nobody's stealing your NFT.

[tame mirage]

Well thanks for your help, friends. Sorry for the stupid question lmao!

[vapid smelt]

wtf the 1030 is more used then my amazing rx 5700xt

[sullen lodge]

probably because its not expensive

[dreamy rose]

Nvidia fans really buying up that garbage huh

[sullen lodge]

whenever i hear nvidia gt i think amazon pre built pcs

[stray apex]

it's good to be cautious
but steam link is just too niche, probably

[thorny axle]

You brought up a product from nearly 40 years ago as part of your point. You support AMD mini cores, but not Intel. You think Radeon 7000 is better than NVIDIA 4000. You seriously have the worst, coldest takes.

[tame mirage]

You’re right 🙂

[stray apex]

god I hope apple can bring AR into the mainstream

[sullen lodge]

why do they need to support intel?

[thorny axle]

You think the product was overpriced, and the competition died in like 5 years. You ever think continuity is part of why things are priced as such?

[stray apex]

hololens is cool and all but we're not gonna get consumer AR from microsoft

[thorny axle]

Because they support the exact same idea with AMD

[sullen lodge]

ok

[stray apex]

their arguments are not consistent when discussing intel and AMD

[thorny axle]

Or anything compared to AMD

[stray apex]

they criticize intel using big.little architecture but believe that AMD doing it is different

[sullen lodge]

ah i see now

[stray apex]

I'm pretty sure AMD marketing just creates the most irrational fanboys because rational people tend to give up

[thorny axle]

Tbh, they’re probably just a troll

[stray apex]

it's really hard to like AMD for that long when they keep disappointing you

[thorny axle]

I hope so. It pains me to think that there really are people this stupid out there in the wild.

[sullen lodge]

speaking of amd

[dreamy rose]

the Macintosh 128K is really Relevant to Apples long history of Overpriced garbage, Nerfed cores are clearly a better idea than having half baked cores. and for Price/perf, absolutely. RDNA 3 on mobile even more so. go find me an Intel/Nvidia laptop that will last even close to 10 hours

[sullen lodge]

you know how zen 4 came out in november 2022 right

[stray apex]

find me an AMD laptop that competes with apple silicon lol

[sullen lodge]

how did they already make the x3d cpus

[stray apex]

well, x3d cpus are basically the same thing but with more cache

[thorny axle]

AMD is halfway between Intel+NVIDIA and Apple

[sullen lodge]

ah

[stray apex]

they probably also use higher binned cpus for x3d

[thorny axle]

That’s really how it is

[velvet marsh]

depends on what you're testing. like gaming, easily.

[thorny axle]

Also, 40 year old products are almost never relevant. You thinking that seriously shows your lips must smell like AMD’s rear end

[dreamy rose]

TUF A16, still on Zen 3+, but it has a 7600S, a cheaper and faster version of a 3070 laptop GPU and it lasts anywhere from 10 hours to 12.

[thorny axle]

Battery life

[thorny axle]

That’s half the battery life of a MacBook

[sullen lodge]

you sound like userbenchmark but biased towards amd

[stray apex]

AMD really out here marketing zen 3+ as zen 4

[dreamy rose]

Doesn't matter if it smashes a Macbook in performance, and Intel in battery life.

[thorny axle]

But loses to Intel in performance and apple in battery life

[thorny axle]

Tbh kind of just a mid-ground, as I said

[velvet marsh]

show me an apple device that competes with Epyc and TR?

[dreamy rose]

Nah, its marketed as Zen 3+ as a 7735HS.

[stray apex]

show me an epyc laptop lol

[stray apex]

hell yeah
confuse those consumers bro
gonna get so much money on old chips

[sullen lodge]

i can already imagine that being a huge laptop

[velvet marsh]

I'm like half listening lol, just feeding the fire

[thorny axle]

You’re burning the good guys

[stray apex]

AMD really out here releasing a ryzen 7600 and a radeon 7600

and naming their cpus with 6 different characters, all of which matter

[dreamy rose]

ah yes. making a more transparent naming scheme means people will not know what they are getting. Flawless logic!

[stray apex]

7534HS
transparent
lmao

[thorny axle]

Look up originPC Eon17X

[velvet marsh]

also zen 2 7000 series

[thorny axle]

And multiply by 4

[stray apex]

if everything starts with 7 nobody will be able to tell them apart
genius move from AMD marketing

someone at AMD really looked at monitor names and thought they had something going there

[thorny axle]

Using the same first number is 100% trying to fool people into thinking they are the same

[sullen lodge]

the ryzen 7 zen 4 is confusing to me because theres 7700x and their 7800x3d

[thorny axle]

That’s it, that’s the purpose

[sullen lodge]

wow thats a chonky laptop

[thorny axle]

Now multiply by 4 and you get one epyc laptop

[sullen lodge]

yeah lol

[thorny axle]

Oh yeah, don’t look for the battery life

I think it has a 100Wh battery or close enough

[sullen lodge]

wow

[thorny axle]

And the chips take something like 400W at peak

100/400 = not good amount of hours

[dreamy rose]

7735HS:
(2023) 7000
(Ryzen 7) 700
(Zen 3) 30
(Upper segment/Refresh) 5
(Performance notebook chip) HS

[sullen lodge]

the ac adapter is probably like an xbox 360 ac adapter

[thorny axle]

Totally not intentionally confusing

So, zen 4 will be 7745HS

[stray apex]

why the fuck does 7000 mean 2023
why do they put the architecture into the name
why is there a refresh designation
why is "HS" the high performance designator

[thorny axle]

So one number different

[stray apex]

is a 7545u better than a 7730HS?

[thorny axle]

If I was a regular consumer, I’d see that it says those two, and think they were basically the same in terms of performance

[dreamy rose]

yeah. logical isn't it. you can tell what it is and make a decision on that

[thorny axle]

Intuitively, no

[thorny axle]

You are stupider than a sack of potatoes

[sullen lodge]

isnt there gonna be zen 4c?

[stray apex]

what about an 8335u?

[dreamy rose]

i doubt they would make a 7545 chip.

[thorny axle]

I don’t really know

[dreamy rose]

6600U i guess that would be.

[stray apex]

but the naming convention is so clear

[thorny axle]

I guess to be completely fair, there’s not much you can do between generations

[dreamy rose]

if the 6800 is the R7 now it would be an R5 next gen.

[thorny axle]

But making the year the first number…

At least Intel changes numbers between generations

And while a 11600 and 12400, might be confusing, it’s not nearly as bad as 7735 vs 7745 or 7745 vs 8335

The first number should really be the generation

3775 and 4775 would be so much better

Nobody cares about the second to last digit

[dreamy rose]

hard disagree, Intel gets to Disguise their deeds of having older architectures.

[thorny axle]

Alright, this guy is seriously a troll

Or is just too stupid to be worth talking to

Though sweet message count, thanks

[dreamy rose]

just because you dont follow the logic doesnt make me a Troll.

[stray apex]

the logic is fucking stupid

[thorny axle]

You are either a troll or a complete idiot

[stray apex]

it's like arguing that sony audio products are named well

[dreamy rose]

absolutely not.

[thorny axle]

I’m giving you the nice option

[manic torrent]

I assure you it's the latter

[thorny axle]

All trolls are idiots, though not all idiots are trolls

[dreamy rose]

so you'd rather not know what your buying rather than know?

[thorny axle]

So I suppose idiot is a safer bet

[stray apex]

I would rather they use a consumer-friendly naming scheme
like, say, not starting different architectures with the same number

ryzen has always done this, and it's always been anti-consumer

[dreamy rose]

this is just a completely fucking stupid take. i'm not even gonna adknowledge it with a Correction.

[thorny axle]

The first number is 50% of what people care about. Second number 40%. Last two numbers 10% combined

[stray apex]

cope and seethe fanboy

calling zen 1 2000 series was fucking stupid

[thorny axle]

You need to take the stupid, I’m sorry

[dreamy rose]

you've always provided Shit takes when its come to this naming Scheme.

[thorny axle]

Intel genuinely has a half decent naming scheme

[stray apex]

the only reason they called zen 1 2000 on mobile was because it came out a year late and they needed to trick consumers into thinking that it was zen+, which was less shit

[thorny axle]

At least for desktops, mobiles are worse for sure

Still better than AMD though

[low rain]

I have a 3.778 gpa but my dad is still bugging me over one B

[dreamy rose]

yeah and that's Intel's naming Scheme too.

[thorny axle]

Hit him in the B

[low rain]

💀

[thorny axle]

Ask him if he likes those Bs

[stray apex]

where are my 14000 series mobile chips

[dreamy rose]

ask intel, not me.

[stray apex]

they don't exist ya dingus

[thorny axle]

Pretty sure it isn’t

[dreamy rose]

exactly because they are next gen.

[stray apex]

you cannot be this dense

[thorny axle]

Intel has had every number for a very long time

Or at least matched mobile with desktop architecture

With desktop being continuous

[stray apex]

13th gen intel cpus start with "13"

[dreamy rose]

but you sure can be,

[thorny axle]

And THAT makes sense

[thorny axle]

Like I said, he’s entering the troll levels

Doesn’t make him any less stupid

Once you enter the troll zone, you have achieved maximum stupidity

[low rain]

But honestly I feel like a 3.778 gpa is pretty good

[thorny axle]

You are so stupid and worthless that you have nothing better to do but annoy people on social media

[thorny axle]

What year are you in

[dreamy rose]

nobody is stealing your NFT, calm the fuck down. you're just Wrong.

[stray apex]

no, you're wrong

you're just
objectively wrong
so often

[thorny axle]

yr’oue*

[stray apex]

you're the exemplar of annoying AMD fanboys

[dreamy rose]

you haven't actually proved how the naming Scheme is Anti consumer.

[stray apex]

the pinnacle of everything wrong with AMD's rabid fanbase

[thorny axle]

He has

[stray apex]

you cannot hear anything bad about AMD
it's ridiculous

[dreamy rose]

how?

[thorny axle]

Learn to read

[stray apex]

they're a fucking megacorporation
they don't care about you

[thorny axle]

And they have made that clear

[low rain]

9th

[thorny axle]

Clear enough that Linus made a video on it iirc

[dreamy rose]

he should, because its obvious how the system works and he refuses to Wrap his head around it.

[stray apex]

I understand the system
it's still shit

[thorny axle]

Yeah, forget him. It’s a fine GPA. And if you feel ashamed by it in the next years, a lot of schools neglect freshman year anyway since it’s meaningless compared to the following years

[stray apex]

just because I can figure something out does not make it a good system

[dreamy rose]

Maybe to you. but it works mate. its honest.

[thorny axle]

Is the imperial system good

[low rain]

I’ve had straight A’s since 7th grade 😭

[stray apex]

people like you
who cannot understand the needs of the consumer
are why linux will never truly become a mainstream desktop OS

[thorny axle]

You can definitely learn it, it’s not that hard, but that doesn’t necessarily make it a good system

[dreamy rose]

how does this relate to Ryzen's naming Scheme?

[thorny axle]

Now it starts to actually matter, keep up the good work

[thorny axle]

Learnable != good

Intuitive = good

If you need to google how the system works, it’s shit

What is the difference between a 7950X a 7950XT and a 7950XTX

[stray apex]

god imagine if intel released the arc 13750 and the 13770k

[thorny axle]

💀

At least because of the way they seem to be going, it should never be easily confused with the desktop chips

[stray apex]

yeah, they're doing (arcitecture)(tier)(number)

[thorny axle]

Seriously, is there 2 7950X chips? A CPU and. GPU?

[dreamy rose]

ok then. if intels naming is so good how about 14NM? they all were refreshes of the same shit.

[stray apex]

are you gonna tell me that zen and zen+ are the same thing

no, that would require that you at least temporarily remove your head from AMD's rear end

[thorny axle]

It would require him to be objective

Hey, free message count though

Closing in on 100 pages

[thorny axle]

Intel changed their system just to make it more closely match TSMC’s naming system and you all had an outcry saying they cheated. Why don’t you bring that up instead

[thorny axle]

Fair number

[dreamy rose]

i am Objective. this? this is bullshit. Nobody with a brain can say "This is scummy shit for money" when they LITERALLY TELL YOU WHAT YOU ARE BUYING!

[thorny axle]

How many is that? 60k or so?

[stray apex]

no
they
fucking
don't

[thorny axle]

Called it

[stray apex]

do you think giving people a datasheet when they try to figure out what you're selling them is good

[thorny axle]

“Yes”

[stray apex]

no
you need to communicate in a simple, understandable way

that's why it's so fucking annoying when nvidia sells a 1650 ddr4 or AMD sells a rx580 variant

[thorny axle]

“I can understnad it, it sucks if you cant cuz ur to stupid”

[vapid smelt]

gtx 1060 3gb, 5gb, 6gb, 6gb gddr5x, mining only version and 1060 6 GB 9Gbps

[dreamy rose]

how do they not tell you what you are paying for? you have: when it released, what performance class it is, WHAT ARCHITECTURE IT IS RUNNING WITH and if its a improved or base chip. THEN what kind of system it is targeting.

[stray apex]

don't worry, it's a clear, transparent naming scheme

[stray apex]

that's not how you fucking name consumer products
you tell them
generation
performance class
that's literally fucking it

[thorny axle]

People look at the first number. If the first number is larger, they think that’s the better chip. It’s just how the world is

[stray apex]

"i7 13whateverthefuckIstoppedreading" is fine

it tells them this is an i7 class chip and it's 13th gen

[vapid smelt]

*kid ask parents for a gtx 1060 for Christmas, parents buys them the gtx 1060 mining only model with no video output

[thorny axle]

Even my father knows what those mean

[stray apex]

"ryzen 5 7564u" is fucking annoying because it tells them this is an i5 class chip and 7th gen, except it's actually not 7th gen it's zen6 which is not consistent with the rest of the 7th gen

[thorny axle]

That shows how intuitive it is

[dreamy rose]

have fun buying Last gen chips under a new name.

[stray apex]

that's what AMD is doing you 🥔

[thorny axle]

Yeah, exactly

He’s starting to get it

[dreamy rose]

But they make it READABLE unlike intel.

[vapid smelt]

its sad that we need this

[stray apex]

no they fucking don't

intel knows that consumers care about two things: the tier and the gen

so the first two things they give you are tier and gen

[vapid smelt]

amd gave this out to media

[dreamy rose]

yes they do. READ the fucking chart again and say its not.

[stray apex]

AMD does not tell you the generation until the second-to-last digit

[thorny axle]

Nobody reads charts in the real world

[stray apex]

one of the only two numbers that actually matter
is the second-to-last digit

it would literally be clearer if they called it ryzen 5 zen 3 v1.5

[vapid smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MipuN4RU4m8

[dreamy rose]

so fucking what? its still there.

[thorny axle]

The two digits people care about are in the middle

[stray apex]

🍅

[dreamy rose]

🍓

[thorny axle]

But why there

Why not make a string of digits 34 long that tells everything about the chip

[stray apex]

🍒

[dreamy rose]

it has to be there.

[thorny axle]

The dimensions, the thermal output exactly. The expected lifespan

All stuff people care about

[stray apex]

my laptop has the 100-000001130

[dreamy rose]

you prefer going back to the Mhz war or some shit?

[thorny axle]

The motherboard models it runs with, the RAM, everything. All they need is a chart according to you, and it would work fine

[stray apex]

my old laptop had teh 100-000000942, which was pretty good but it was slowing down a bit in premier

[thorny axle]

Mine is the RX2938482948291947271928483829103838XTXXJ V2.3+

[low rain]

For some reason I always mix up 6 with s

[stray apex]

my desktop does have a 100-100000059WOF, but I like to edit on my couch sometimes

[thorny axle]

Using 2.771 nm -3/rm + 8h - 3mm 2.4-12%

[vapid smelt]

<@&750150305383186585>

[low rain]

So realll

[stray apex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbfu39l0kxg&pp=ygUSYmRnIHdvcmsgZnJvbSBob21l

[thorny axle]

Just have a string of Unicode characters as the name of the chips that tells all the info about it

So long as we have a chart, isn’t that fine?

[stray apex]

I really want the https://www.amd.com/en/product/12731

[thorny axle]

Ah, the 12731

That’s a pretty good one

I really want the 230496

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230496/intel-core-i913900k-processor-36m-cache-up-to-5-80-ghz/specifications.html

Is the guy about to bring up that AMD makes better links as his next point?

[stray apex]

nah, look at that transparency in intel's link

[thorny axle]

Ah, true. They tell you everything

[stray apex]

tells you the cache and boost clocks right in the url

[dreamy rose]

they absolutely make better Laptop products that's for sure.

[thorny axle]

You’re boring. Can you say something more controversial

Something to actually spark a discussion which doesn’t sound so stupid to be obvious trolling

Thank you

[dreamy rose]

Sure. AMD should put their iGPUs on their Desktop chips.

[thorny axle]

Eh, too boring

[stray apex]

AMD won't even put their newest architecture into their desktop apus

[thorny axle]

He lost his edge

[thorny axle]

Do you like physics?

[dreamy rose]

maybe if its boring, You're the problem.

[thorny axle]

Still being lame

[stray apex]

no, calculus makes my brain unhappy

[thorny axle]

Oof. What part of it?

[dreamy rose]

Projecting

[stray apex]

wolfram alpha is probably the only reason I passed physics lol

[thorny axle]

Did you not have tests?

[stray apex]

I mean, I wasn't that bad at it

[velvet marsh]

I only got AMD because Intel didn't have anything that could touch it at the time.

[thorny axle]

Ah, I get the idea. Is there a specific part that gives you trouble?

[stray apex]

nah, just bad at studying

[manic torrent]

I think my next build will be intel/nvidia because of how hard of a shill @dreamy rose is

[thorny axle]

Fair enough, I’m just the same

[stray apex]

I wasn't terrible with the concepts, but I was pretty bad at the actual execution

[thorny axle]

I haven’t studied this year yet

[stray apex]

(to be fair, might be because I used wolfram alpha a lot)

[thorny axle]

Physics is the only course I’m doing appreciably well in

[manic torrent]

I love me some phyiscs

[thorny axle]

Physics is definitely the best science class

[thorny axle]

This year I’ve done well, not so much in past years

[thorny axle]

Careful, you could greatly harm him

[stray apex]

yeah, it's also just taken me a while to adapt to online classes

[thorny axle]

Oh, you have online classes?

I completely blundered the year we had those

And knew none of the concepts for the following year

[dreamy rose]

Am i? or am i just using logic here? idk. Sounds like another pointless disagreement i CBA to deal with. maybe people should just leave their shit opinions at the door. how about that?

[stray apex]

yeah, covid was pretty rough for school

[thorny axle]

We’re fine with you not dealing with it. Go somewhere else

[manic torrent]

You are the literal embodiment of dunning kruger

[thorny axle]

Why do you feel the need to tell us that?

[thorny axle]

I got my first C.. And D… and F…

[manic torrent]

You don't understand the tech, the finances, OR (and most importantly) how people work.

[wispy marsh]

Plex server (nvenc)
3060, 14400F, 32gb 6000cl40

[thorny axle]

Yeah, not a good year for me

[stray apex]

oof

[dreamy rose]

i understand everything i need to.

[thorny axle]

It’s fine. This year I’m doing better. Not amazing because senioritis, but better

Might still be above a 4.0 weighted, which is also a first time for me in all my years (also gives an idea of how crappy I did)

[manic torrent]

Your problem is not what you understand, it's what you don't understand that you don't understand.

[stray apex]

on the bright side, a lot of schools are doing pass/fail for covid classes if you want, so you can probably at least get rid of the C

[thorny axle]

I was rejected from everywhere I applied, lol. I’m going to community college for a year or two then transferring

[stray apex]

ah
same

[thorny axle]

Where to for you (sweet rhyme)

[stray apex]

I didn't bother applying to much though, since my high school gpa was so shit

[thorny axle]

Yeah, similar for me. I thought $350 was enough wasted already when I didn’t even think I’d get in anywhere. And I didn’t

[thorny axle]

Do you have a plan of where to go after community college?

[stray apex]

yeah, a state school
need to finish my transfer application... this month

[thorny axle]

Which one?

[stray apex]

ah
I try to avoid giving out things that are particularly identifiable online
but I do live in washington state

[thorny axle]

Ah, fair enough

I also live in Washington. Only Washington DC

[manic torrent]

I live in one of the few countries that aren't the US

[thorny axle]

So Canada

[manic torrent]

No, the other one

[stray apex]

puerto rico?

[thorny axle]

The UK?

[manic torrent]

Keep going

[thorny axle]

Mexico?

[stray apex]

new zealand

[tardy terrace]

[thorny axle]

Australia

[stray apex]

austria?

[thorny axle]

Was about to say Bangladesh, lol

[thorny axle]

I know someone who lives there

[manic torrent]

I live a few km from this

[low rain]

One time I hit 27000 ping playing valorant