public-chat

[sonic barn]

don't know if that is true though since its intel

but if they do it, it'll fall in line with a windows 12 release if its out by then

[stuck stratus]

I don't think so

[sonic barn]

so windows 12 will probably be locked to requiring a new device

[tardy terrace]

win12, now introducing the entirety of the UI and customization to a single JSON file

[sonic barn]

it'll be funny if its just a terminal window and you prompt it to do everything

open edge

[native crag]

Zen 5 will contain NPU (aka, VPU) for edge computing AI. It's already in SoC chips like the A and M series from Apple, along with one used in a Lenovo that will support Windows 11 NPU standard for MS Teams.

Basically, tensor cores

[tardy terrace]

Windows 11 CLI release

[sonic barn]

open discord and post a meme into general

[sonic barn]

copilot cli is coming out

[fallen cedar]

if were asking windows to post a meme it would be one of those boomer facebook memes

[sonic barn]

also this
https://www.tomsguide.com/news/chatgpt-is-coming-directly-to-windows-but-theres-a-catch

[stuck stratus]

hoping to get access to copilot cli

[sonic barn]

bing ai generated images

[stuck stratus]

it will, but apple already has that now

[sonic barn]

check #off-topic

[native crag]

I was trying to get my hands on an M.2 NPU from Halo. Turns out, so is everyone else. Like trying to find hens teeth.
https://hailo.ai/products/hailo-8-m2-module/

Intel seems to not know what they want to do with their VPU lineup

AI hardware is hot stuff right now. The industry is basically "shutup and take my money"

[stuck stratus]

pretty much yeah

[sonic barn]

same and the copilot x for my cs classes 🙏

in 2025 we'll all be using arm laptops though

connecting to our cloud machines

[native crag]

Computing the models with tensor cores locally is the easy part. That hardware will become more plentiful. But it's the stuff that trains to generate the models, well, that's where Nvidia dominates. They're printing money at the moment

[sonic barn]

at least the rtx cards and pascal

[native crag]

Nvidia is an enterprise company....that does gaming GPUs as a side gig. lol

[sonic barn]

to be fair they aren't doing it, its another company they partnered with. They build and brand the chips

[native crag]

Yeah, Intel is doing the same too

[sonic barn]

reason why we don't get the virtual threading and all that with the "quadros"

😭

[native crag]

They segment that market for a reason, they're not dummies

[sonic barn]

if intel did it, I would buy their arc cards

[native crag]

Hoping AMD gets their crap in order to wreck Nvidia

[sonic barn]

amd better do it and then I'll switch to full amd

you can do it with ryzen apus

[tardy terrace]

wasn't amd's apu+gpu api called mantle or something like that

[sonic barn]

yeah amd allows it for the ryzen apus

[native crag]

Well, the APU is basically a CPU with an iGPU

[tardy terrace]

that's pretty rad

[native crag]

APU is what AMD calls the iGPU (Intel)

[tardy terrace]

Yes, I know, I'm talking about the APU+GPU api for graphics that AMD did, called mantle

[summer folio]

Aka donated & renamed to Vulkan.

[native crag]

Yeah, it's basically superseded by Vulcan. AMD discontinued Mantle in 2019

[tardy terrace]

vulkan is pretty fk'n rad

oh so mantle's now dead-dead?

[native crag]

Yes, it's DOA

[tardy terrace]

rip

[native crag]

Not bad thing though

[tardy terrace]

Totally not- Vulkan's a huge upgrade

But at the time, apu+gpu if scaled correctly could be an incredibly powerful combo

offloading PIP/reflections/shadows to the APU and let the GPU handle the final compile & AA/AF/PP

[native crag]

MMORPG are going to be tied into GPT sooner or later. One, for unique NPCs (everyone generated and unique, not cookie-cutter likenesses), and secondly, new worlds procedurally generated, but with actual intelligent design so they too are unique with purpose.

Going to get real effing crazy in the next few years

[sonic barn]

crpg aka isometric games like pathfinder and dnd

I see it going there first

especially with eleven labs and other tools for voices

[native crag]

Sure, absolutely

[sonic barn]

did you play the pathfinder games?

[native crag]

Next gen of GTA (not my thing, but hey, potential), or Star Citizen...etc

Cyberpunk 2077 as an MMORPG would be sweet

Don't mess with the wrong AI bot

[marble dagger]

@full fossil nerd 🤓

[sonic barn]

If so basically the games by owlcat have many instances where writing isn't on par with the rest of the game in these dialogue trees. This means that you have a lot of dull moments in the story or odd placements. However if you introduce a dynamically based writing system tailored to the game and it adjusts over time whilst constructing the same plot and each line is voiced like Disco Elysium, then you end up with a polished story.

no need for verifying a tree or web of choices

[marble dagger]

(mean this as a joke, trying to fuck with my guy here lol)

[sonic barn]

This applies to other games too which use a narrative select menu

I just hope we end up getting generated games entirely, where each game is like "Wolf Among Us"

[native crag]

Having AI generated content would be extremely useful. But I would still rather have a human GM directing the gameplay IMHO

[sonic barn]

true, but at what point do you consider an AI inline with a human?

[native crag]

GM = DM

[sonic barn]

its based off our experiences and histories collectively

[native crag]

Fundamentally, interaction with people is very different than AI in terms of being meaningful. It's not that AI couldn't do the job, but...what's the point at the end of the day?

[sonic barn]

I like to think of this as a child learning from experiences and knowledge from their schools. However it is still a child in terms of thinking right now. What happens if its mature though, able to create everything in a shorter timeframe whilst being better in everyway than us?

[native crag]

To me, AI is a tool to amplify the human experience and creativity

[sonic barn]

I see it as a progressive state or limitation of our technology. We'll see if we could actually get there, otherwise its just a tool like the internet but more condense

[native crag]

You've heard of angles and demons? Yeah, man is making those right now. There will be evil AI, and good AI to combat that evil. It will not be monolithic

[sonic barn]

Still an unregulated space as of now

[red marten]

I have a friend who works at Intel on that stuff as a software engineer, he hasn't told me much about it but it all sounds really really interesting as a programmer

[native crag]

Oh no, we're beyond regulation

That ship has sailed

[sonic barn]

there's many divisions but the one they are currently working on I believe its from the Habana Labs implementation

intel has 120k employees so each division will work on stuff, some get scrapped in the process which sucks

[red marten]

not sure which division he's at. he's not told me too much for obvious reasons haha

[sonic barn]

amd has like 15k employees

[red marten]

but yeah it's all experimental, could be transferred somewhere else if something else makes sense

[sonic barn]

yeah

which is why I want to go into it, programming is brutal for learning and I rather not sink myself into stressing over this stuff

I am in cs 4th semester currently though

[native crag]

Intel has a bad case of ADHD; both brilliant and easy to lose focus

[red marten]

very nice. i'm self taught but in college atm for the degree

[sonic barn]

I really hate their ceo. The pat guy

[native crag]

Their new one? He seems rather pragmatic to keep the company in the black

[sonic barn]

he increased his salary to like 130 million based on dividends

[native crag]

He's making hard choices

[red marten]

it can be brutal for learning but it's also the sort of thing that gets exponentially easier the more you do it. colleges tend not to cover the field as well as they could, so doing it in your own time gets you further (college is a good aid tho)

[native crag]

To be fair, the job of the CEO isn't to his employees, but the shareholder.

[sonic barn]

*180 million

[native crag]

Yeah, he's doing his job the shareholders expect

I'm not saying how it should be, just stating a matter of fact

[marble dagger]

@full fossil

[sonic barn]

I shorted it at 44$ just saying and covered at 26$, this was during that time. I don't think that is what his shareholders wanted. The company was 1/3 in debt due to all these fabs he tried getting subsidies from.

[native crag]

Hopefully Intel's new CEO doesn't drive the company into the ground in the process however.

[sonic barn]

it was 100 billion from 230 billion and with the liabilities its 70 billion. Haven't looked at past q3 though

[native crag]

Well, that's why they changed CEOs, no?

[sonic barn]

this was his decisions causing this

[red marten]

ngl didn't realize they had so few. as much as I'm an AMD fan, Intel is just a different beast haha

[sonic barn]

he is way too ambitious for this stuff

[native crag]

I thought he cut a lot of those liabilities that were costing way too much with no ROI in sight

[sonic barn]

no each fab itself is a liability

10 billion to make, now majority of them are delayed

what a surprise

[native crag]

Who's delaying them though? Intel, or the city/states (environmental regulation, zoning, etc)

[sonic barn]

I want intel to succeed but not under this guy, he's gambling on the future of it.

[sonic barn]

Intel itself, look at the subsidies they received in 2022 and all the announcements for fabs

just remember each one is 10 billion to make

[native crag]

Yeah, in US, Germany, etc. They're trying to divest from Taiwan as that's basically a lost-cause once war starts in the Pacific. It literally is, a national security matter. Hence the subsidies

[sonic barn]

yeah, the pelosi issue

she just went to taiwan and almost started a war

[native crag]

There will be a war regardless. Rip the bandaid off is better sooner than later

[sonic barn]

well she also went there the same time her son's nvidia stocks were needing a little stuff... And she is known for insider trading a ton

[tardy terrace]

SEC noises intensify

[native crag]

The PLA will invade and try and take industry trade secrets by literal force. Remains to be seen if they encrypted the SANs to only throw the key away and render it inaccessible. They have off-site backups

[tardy terrace]

what does printer filament have to do w/ this

[native crag]

??

[sonic barn]

nah china won't. They consider the people of taiwan apart of china and have said time and time again they will treat them as chinese citizens

I can only see them blocking imports until they comply

[native crag]

lol. yeah, no. China views them as serfs, like those in HK

[sonic barn]

no conflict unless started by taiwan

[forest valve]

You can't say f u rry here

[sonic barn]

what bearing does this have with the conversation

[forest valve]

Long story

I sense politics, I could ping a mod like that anime PFP dude did to me but I'm not like that

[tardy terrace]

ok nerd

[forest valve]

Carry on

[sonic barn]

anyways I hope intel does succeed, however under the current climate they need to slow down

[native crag]

It's really about the state of the semiconducting industry, and how geopolitics is shaping the direction of investment

[forest valve]

I'm calling the police

[native crag]

So ultimately, when will Intel get those fabs online.

[sonic barn]

yeah really big stuff, almost all our chips are made in taiwan. Nvidia and AMD operate there too

[native crag]

Right. So, hopefully everyone keeps their cool.

[sonic barn]

yes until we are set broadly for intel fabs, let's hope china remains as it is right now.

[native crag]

Makes me wonder of under extreme messures, the DoD would take all Nvidia hardware for AI and transport it deep underground secure facility

[forest valve]

I can't stand that lady's ugly face

[sonic barn]

USA has a carrier near the waters

[forest valve]

All performative stunts like ripping the state of the union etc

[sonic barn]

it happened during that whole military demonstration, usa carrier was there near the lines

[native crag]

Carriers are US cities in the sea.

Massive projection of force

[tardy terrace]

carriers are so badass,,

[native crag]

They really are

[sonic barn]

USS Dewey

Canada and USA ships (We are basically the same though when it comes to military operations now)

[forest valve]

I want a flying aircraft carrier

[fallen cedar]

what about a flying aircraft carrier carrier

[native crag]

Yo dog, I heard..... ah never mind

[fallen cedar]

classic

[sonic barn]

also they were warships for the usa ones during the event, 2 of them only the usa ones already near waters

[native crag]

Doesn't count

[forest valve]

Not big enough

That's what she said

[native crag]

ouch

[vapid smelt]

But it's carrying a aircraft!

[tardy terrace]

it do count

[native crag]

spacecraft*

[cosmic vale]

a dell laitude e6500 has a daily driver is going good

[native crag]

Yeah, Latitudes are alright

[vapid smelt]

?

[cosmic vale]

this ones from 2008

[native crag]

I'm sorry

[cosmic vale]

running windows 7 as of rn

[native crag]

Must be slow AF

[cosmic vale]

windows 10 wont run

uh no its fast on windows 7

[native crag]

But all the code-bloat online makes browsers work harder.

[cosmic vale]

4GB intel core 2 duo

[sonic barn]

client side rendering rip

[cosmic vale]

still fast tho

[native crag]

My company laptop has an EDR agent loaded. OMG consumes half of my CPU and slows it waaay down. It logs every process and action taken. Basically need a second CPU to monitor the first...all the time

[sonic barn]

tell your company to invest in a cloud server

it'll save in costs probably

[native crag]

No, it's a SoC requirement. And yes, we do use Citrix while remote

To have cyber security insurance, you have to have all the necessary tools with audits.

[polar fern]

A flying aircraft does carry stuff

Most importantly - fuel

[tardy terrace]

The F-18 can AAR other aircraft

[native crag]

Anyways, it's because of Randomware protection that CPU's take a hit 😦

[sonic barn]

it must be harder to manage though as everything is tied to that machine instead of the problems isolated through containers or something in a server

unless your company laptop requires a program

[native crag]

It is harder to manage, but we need the bare metal (laptops).

[polar fern]

That’s why work laptops often have 6-8 cores

[native crag]

Security (VBS, EDR, etc) is full monty locked-down

[sonic barn]

that must suck during a slow down, or if it freezes

[native crag]

It does

[sonic barn]

I'll get PTSD from that

[native crag]

I've had it throw a BSOD from updating a driver

That really pissed me off. I had lab VMs running with Hyper-V.

[polar fern]

Having PTSD from seemingly mundane work is a thing not often brought up.

[native crag]

SHit, IT is PTSD

[sonic barn]

you can get it from exams and tests in school, its all over

[shy kayak]

Odd question but any idea if these are any good to clean a monitor? I assume all microfibre cloths are more or less the same but I rlly don’t want to ruin it xD

https://www.johnlewis.com/brabantia-microfibre-dish-cloths-set-of-2/p4955142

[native crag]

Glossy or standard frosted screen?

[sonic barn]

just don't use windex

[shy kayak]

It the dell S2721dgfa so Matt screen xD

Got some distilled water won’t use any solvents or anything

[polar fern]

A friend of mine does set painting & design. They also are a medic. They had to wear PPE to mitigate vapors and overspray on clothing etc… guess what they had to do when they worked shifts in the ambulance when Covid hit? They had to stop doing set painting for legit 2 years. They’re back at it thankfully.

[sonic barn]

not the best idea

[native crag]

If standard matte (frosted), you can use soapy damp paper towel, carefully wipe clean, then another pass with a rinsed damn paper towel. Lastly, followed up with a dry cotton towel

[sonic barn]

you could get away with a damp cloth or something but you will have trailing along the whole display

[native crag]

I clean my monitor once every few months this way

[polar fern]

Matte screens are best left alone when cleaning. Distilled water & clean cotton cloth are best & wipe dry.

[merry nacelle]

I just wipe my monitor with a clean dry microfiber cloth

[sonic barn]

what does it look like with light shining on it whilst off?

[native crag]

Like new, no scratches.

[sonic barn]

weird, mine gets all those lines from wiping up and down

[native crag]

Don't apply excessive force

[sonic barn]

its from drying

[polar fern]

Windex is for soda lime glass, not coated electronic displays.

[shy kayak]

It’s been in storage for a while so has a far bit of dust that’s kind of stuck so kinda needs a good clean

[native crag]

I use very little soap, just enough to break the surface tension of water

dawn soap

[shy kayak]

Are microfibre dish cloths the same as standard ones? Want to get something I can grab tomorrow so I can use my monitor and it’s all I can find know

[sonic barn]

I should try some soap because I think I did it on my laptop before and it was fine

[native crag]

Liquid soap of any sort,

[dreamy rose]

thats a real bad idea bucko

[shy kayak]

Lmao*

[cosmic vale]

well i cant use 10 so

[polar fern]

Fun fact, some cans of air use a propellant that when ignited creates a toxic chemical

[dreamy rose]

wdym you cant?

[cosmic vale]

it wont run

[dreamy rose]

bull

[native crag]

Soap breaks apart oil residue on the screen.

[cosmic vale]

i tryed

[native crag]

Soap binds to the oily lipids

[sonic barn]

yeah so that's why, I use it when cleaning the laptop itself too

[dreamy rose]

unless you are running a Pentium III 10 wont run.

[cosmic vale]

windows 10 kept bsoding every 10 mins

[native crag]

Then you use a clean water-only damp cloth to remove soap residue

[cosmic vale]

and it kept overheating

and i realy hate 10

[dreamy rose]

sounds like your hardware has a problem not windows 10. or you're making up bullshit to justify using an insecure outdated windows that has no reason to be used anymore.

[sonic barn]

wait until you see 11 then

[native crag]

Need to clean the HSF and reapply thermal compound

Windows 10 will be EOLed in 2025

[sonic barn]

its from 2008, wonder if it was ever changed

[native crag]

Probably not, all dried out

[cosmic vale]

i dislike that too

[dreamy rose]

Linux is way better than all of Windows and Mac why arent you using Linux if you think you're stuck out of 10?

[native crag]

Windows 11 isn't so bad once you customize the task manager.

[cosmic vale]

oh it is

[sonic barn]

if you like customizing the look over ease, there's kde under ubuntu or kde neon

[dreamy rose]

i prefer the one in 10.

[cosmic vale]

i like windows 7

i dont need to change something i used forever

[dreamy rose]

Windows 7 is overrated.

[native crag]

Yeah, me too. But Win10 is going away, so I'm having to get used to it now

[sonic barn]

but linux as an os doesn't provide you with support. You go online for all your issues and problems

[cosmic vale]

yeah im gonna use windows vista as my main os

[native crag]

Vista is shit

[sonic barn]

lost cause

[cosmic vale]

i used windows xp and vista for a month

[native crag]

Vista was the worst OS next to ME

[dreamy rose]

yes, you do. you are opening youself to all sorts of nasty shit.

[cosmic vale]

idc microsoft likes to scaremonger

[native crag]

Windows 12 is in the works. So far, I'm not liking what I see

[cosmic vale]

same

[dreamy rose]

Worst ever belongs to the Mac lineage but talking about Microsoft, ME was the worst 100%

[cosmic vale]

windows vista is realy good ngl i used it for a month

[sonic barn]

I'm hoping at the minimum, QT is in dark mode

[cosmic vale]

and i used xp for a month

[sonic barn]

its locked to white by default in windows and if not specified, stays as white

[dreamy rose]

you think MS is scaremongering? Windows is the target for nearly every virus known to man.

[cosmic vale]

u cant get a virus out of the blue

downloading things can give u malware

[native crag]

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-april-2023-patch-tuesday-fixes-1-zero-day-97-flaws/

[sonic barn]

linux gets viruses too

[native crag]

Be sure to patch, and don't use an EOLed version of an OS

[dreamy rose]

absolutely can. with an outdated version of windows its extremely easy.

[cosmic vale]

no

[merry nacelle]

You open one wrong email, one wrong pdf or word doc

[dreamy rose]

never said it didnt.

[cosmic vale]

stop let me use the os i please

i wanna use an outdated os let me.

[native crag]

Drive-by downloads is a thing, specifically if you have a zero-day exploit

[cosmic vale]

im fed up with people aways getting mad at me for using something i want to use

[native crag]

Not mad at you, just concerned. Hacking is a professional craft. It's not longer done by punks

Anyways, GTG for now

[cosmic vale]

well stop pushing newer oses

[sonic barn]

you're not getting any security patches, nothing. If you want to use vista, there's themes on linux for that that are secure

[dreamy rose]

you're being stupid by using an outdated WINDOWS. if it was Linux it would be kinda understandable. but Windows? its basically self end.

[cosmic vale]

stop pushng newer oses

[dreamy rose]

Stop asking for a virus.

[cosmic vale]

why are u so mad

I just said i use windows 7 Big deal

[sonic barn]

everything changes, you can't tell mr hackerman to not put a virus on a os with a vulnerability screaming at him to put it on your computer

[merry nacelle]

Its not just about security, many websites and software don't work on older OSes anymore

[dreamy rose]

it is a big deal. you're aneasy target.

[cosmic vale]

stop

i wanted to talk about my pc not the fricking os

[sonic barn]

anyways up to you, your data, your computer

[dreamy rose]

you better change it soon, for your own good.

[cosmic vale]

i rather not deal with spyware microsoft saleing my data

[dreamy rose]

they cant scream when Discord and Steam and everything else stops working on 7

[cosmic vale]

or learning a new os

[merry nacelle]

Use linux then

[sonic barn]

that is valid but windows 10 has ltsc builds

[dreamy rose]

KDE Neon. go use it.

[cosmic vale]

froceing me to use linux now

ANYWAY!

[dreamy rose]

you wanna use discord on it after 2024?

[sonic barn]

he's just saying its what will allow you to customize everything how you want

[cosmic vale]

the laptop is from 2008 and i got it for free it came with vista butt i installed xp and upgraded all the way to 7

its from a school btw

[dreamy rose]

if you really are a Diehard Win 7 fanboy KDE can do that,

[sonic barn]

is this your first computer?

[cosmic vale]

my first pc was an old 1998 pc

[merry nacelle]

You worry about spyware and companies selling your data, yet you use google, discord, and social media

[sonic barn]

if you don't mind me asking, what gen are you from?

[cosmic vale]

im born in 2008

[sonic barn]

ok, so you're only used to those systems

[merry nacelle]

No wonder you were bragging about using xp and vista

[cosmic vale]

then after i got a 2012 pc then a 2013 gaming pc it needs fixing btw
and then this laptop from the school

[dreamy rose]

no school would be using 7 anymore.

[sonic barn]

you could keep using them, however as you learn more about the newer ones there'll eventually come a time when you'll want to switch

[cosmic vale]

well uh

our famly hates newer tech

windows 7 or under is best

[dreamy rose]

granted the CRT laptops at my school ran 7. but those were never touched since 2016.

[sonic barn]

doesn't change your viewpoint though

[cosmic vale]

only modern tech was phones

the dell needed some repairs but i fixed it

i was 11 when i fixed this laptop

[sonic barn]

My family was hard against computers and laptops, I only got my first laptop when I was 14, an old asus laptop from 2011

[cosmic vale]

and i tock it apart and fixed it

[manic torrent]

ehhhh, finding and designing exploits is a craft. the actual hacking is done by the same level of people who are developers anywhere.

[sonic barn]

then I got a lenovo y50-70 with my own money and later my father accepted that I had a laptop and knew how to use it. He later got an ipad and a phone

[cosmic vale]

i mean

[sonic barn]

people change given the circumstances

[cosmic vale]

i use a microsoft 2004 keybored

[polar fern]

@cosmic vale how ya been? Long time no see

[cosmic vale]

who are u

[polar fern]

Uh me?

[manic torrent]

who are YOU

[dreamy rose]

hes some fool who thinks Windows 7 is still viable to use.

[polar fern]

No u

[manic torrent]

So like you, but a different twist.

[sonic barn]

@cosmic vale But anyways, its up to you for what you should do with your machines. We just thought we should let you know about the security aspect of using windows 7. If you feel like its the best option then ignore what everyone says because complaining and arguing will solve nothing

Its always good to keep an open mind though

[manic torrent]

be careful though. open your mind too much and stuff can fall out

[sonic barn]

true

when you work for a company you'll have to use their systems

don't wanna be lost at that point

[winter heath]

Who is using Windows 7???

Stop it. Get some help.

[manic torrent]

people who have specific needs, or are poor and perhaps not well informed, or who are delusional

[sonic barn]

well he grew up with it

[winter heath]

Ima go with the latter

[manic torrent]

I grew up with CP/M

[sonic barn]

even if he was born later than me, he appreciates the old tech more, I knew a couple of people in other servers with the same mindset

[winter heath]

Now that's antique

[dreamy rose]

nope. just the Delusional

[sonic barn]

its the same with using linux, I don't think anyone should use it as a desktop os. Its not practical with wsl 2.0 now

but some people believe it to be the best

[manic torrent]

haha, that's a shit take

[sonic barn]

see

[dreamy rose]

at least i dont think an outdated os full of holes is a good idea

[manic torrent]

I am not against using linux as a desktop OS.

[dreamy rose]

fuck no

[manic torrent]

it's just not a good option for many people.

[polar fern]

Im curious as to the internal discussions at LMG about how to deal with twitter. Also curious as to why an LMG mastodon instance hasn’t been spun up yet & the process behind all that.

[manic torrent]

because it's not their #1 business priority

[winter heath]

hard no

[polar fern]

Linux still has the android issue: fragmentation.

@manic torrent true.

[dreamy rose]

Its a non issue

[polar fern]

How not?

[manic torrent]

it's not a non issue - but it's hardly the end of the world.

[sonic barn]

Even for developing stuff in C++ is broken. Running the QT installer I get a ton of missing dependencies for QT framework and there's no error code just a stacktrace

[polar fern]

Driver support across 50 flavors is a tall order

[manic torrent]

... you have no idea how linux works

[sonic barn]

that trace leads to one of the older posts saying that its normal on linux to have that problem. QT is literally meant to be the framework for KDE

[dreamy rose]

instead of being forced to conform to one desktop, you can do whatever you want. perfect it. the closed source highly uncustomisable way is an issue. not customizability to the enth degree

[polar fern]

I wouldn’t say I have no idea, but ok

[winter heath]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-town-bikini-bottom-spongebob-squarepants-sipping-patrick-the-starfish-gif-15590204

[elfin jetty]

[polar fern]

Sweet link

[sonic barn]

nice embed

[dreamy rose]

embed fail

[polar fern]

I don’t tap strange links.

[sonic barn]

its tenor

[polar fern]

Strange.

[sonic barn]

spongebob

[polar fern]

Proceeds to post a tenor gif

[elfin jetty]

[winter heath]

yeah, used the built-in GIF selector in Discord, must be broky with Tenor... again

[elfin jetty]

Embeds dont work here unless you boost or are a floatplane sub

[golden talon]

or twitch sub

[winter heath]

that's a bummer

[golden talon]

basically you give your money to linus and you get discord server perms

stupidity lollllll

[elfin jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/backing-you-get-yours-danny-devito-danny-devito-gif-13052176

[polar fern]

Free prime sub woop

[frail steeple]

linus tech tips

[golden talon]

linus scam tips

[frail steeple]

linus drop tips

[polar fern]

Imagine supporting a thing like ltt with money in a world full of musk fans with their blue checks. Pft

[frail steeple]

linus is hansom

[random jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/twitter-verified-icon-gif-18901058

[golden talon]

i give my money to up and coming content creators who have underrecognized talent

linus is clickbait

been clickbait for a couple years now which is sad

i miss 2018 linus

[polar fern]

-sips tea-

[frail steeple]

i was born in 1864

[polar fern]

Sweet.

I was born too.

[golden talon]

[frail steeple]

but you were born in 2016

[polar fern]

Twins 😲

Er no. 🤣

[sand thicket]

Lies

[polar fern]

I am born every day - every time I see something from a new perspective.

[golden talon]

ya think

[manic torrent]

... and Radeon HDMI audio out was broken for literally years. I don't disagree that linux isn't "ready" for the "desktop", but it's fine enough.

[sand thicket]

I just want Vc in this server 😿

[golden talon]

gotta pay for it again

[polar fern]

Mint is the only Linux I’d switch to if I had to abandon macOS & windows

[manic torrent]

Look, we can't all be poor

[polar fern]

Actually

[golden talon]

I agree

i sure wouldnt want to be poor

[polar fern]

World goes 3 days without electricity & we would see what good money really is at that point.

[golden talon]

good thing that wont ever happen

[sonic barn]

I see it as a hobby more than anything

[winter heath]

good money would probably be 1 or 2 industrial generators in that scenario

[manic torrent]

That's what computing was like back in the day.

[polar fern]

Fuel, parts, expertise…

[sonic barn]

I have full support of the kde project but right now I cannot recommend Linux to your dog, until then I recommend windows to it instead

[winter heath]

what about my cat

[polar fern]

Doge smaert tho

[sonic barn]

The dog ate it

[polar fern]

😲

[manic torrent]

Not mine. He's old and not very clever

[sonic barn]

Now you have a dog

[polar fern]

Oh well. We can’t all be clever.

[sonic barn]

Also @manic torrent had dog owner vibes

I assumed he had a dog

[polar fern]

Dog OS.

[sonic barn]

You can distinguish cat owners from dog owners

[polar fern]

I may not know much, but I do know that I enjoy tea.

[lilac sage]

Wtf

from how they act online?

id say no

[sonic barn]

Yes. You don't own any

[lilac sage]

Well I do.

[fluid ridge]

discord has voice notes???

[sonic barn]

Can you guess which am I

[lilac sage]

no

[polar fern]

Having owned most types of pets & done 20+ years of pet sitting, gonna disagree.

[fluid ridge]

why cant i send voice messages here but i can send them everywhere else

[sonic barn]

Not even my pfp

[lilac sage]

That can just be a meme cat

[sonic barn]

It is

[lilac sage]

You can like meme cats but hate cats

[sonic barn]

True, I like both cats and dogs though

Mainly dogs, but which do I own?

[lilac sage]

I think my point that you cant really tell stands

[hybrid shell]

i'm not a fan of dogs

i have two and they're really annoying tbh

[sonic barn]

I like them since they're less annoying. Also loyal

I want a husky and then we'll go hunting like our ancestors

[hybrid shell]

and i also have two cats

[polar fern]

Are they -your- dogs?

[hybrid shell]

mine?

[sonic barn]

Me?

[hybrid shell]

well i guess not

[polar fern]

See that’s the difference.

[sonic barn]

We've had em in the past but my parents gave them away to another since they didn't want them

[polar fern]

Bbl Picard.

[sonic barn]

I think dogs are better

[hybrid shell]

i think cats are better

[sonic barn]

I have a cat

She's a demon

[manic torrent]

In 2020 we had 2x cat and 2x dog

[sonic barn]

Nice

Dogs don't get along with them usually

From what I noticed

[manic torrent]

That's garbage

[sonic barn]

Depends on the breed I guess

[manic torrent]

Mostly just depends on the training and acclimation. But yes obviously also breed.

[vapid smelt]

My cat follows dogs around the neighborhood

[sonic barn]

I'll never get a pitbull and a cat together for instance

A husky and cat though would probably be fine

[unkempt widget]

breeding is so immoral tbh

(for dogs and cats)

[sonic barn]

Breeds are sub species

For what I'm talking about

[unkempt widget]

ik

[vapid smelt]

Pitbulls are love bugs

[manic torrent]

Hahahahaha husky. Omg the noise.

[unkempt widget]

you selectively breed dogs to get specific traits to be expressed

[sonic barn]

I want a husky

[vapid smelt]

High maintenance

[unkempt widget]

some traits that get expressed are really bad

[sonic barn]

I'll join the howl

[unkempt widget]

for example pugs

humans breed pugs because they look funny, just to bring them into this world of misery of being hard to breathe

[manic torrent]

The problem is humans. They are the worst.

[unkempt widget]

the moment they're born, they're separated from their parents by us humans

[unkempt widget]

exactly

[sonic barn]

We are the problem

[tardy terrace]

Do y'all remember skrillex

[sonic barn]

The dubstep guy

[unkempt widget]

oh yeah

[tardy terrace]

yeah, long hair side-shaved

[stray apex]

No, responsible breeders will usually give them time to mature a bit

[sonic barn]

COD clips

360 no scope

[tardy terrace]

Dude he changed

[sonic barn]

Deadmau5 and Kaskade haven't

[tardy terrace]

[unkempt widget]

still, horrible practice

[ionic flame]

What would cause BSOD when gaming, but not under stress test? Shit's weird

[tardy terrace]

memory allocation

[manic torrent]

360 crop rotation

[ionic flame]

I already used 2 different memory sets

[manic torrent]

Lots of things

Perhaps if you gave any information at all about the hardware or drivers or bsod, or game, or stress test, we might be able to help

[ionic flame]

I do get alot of errors during MemTest, and just random freezes/crashes. I'm wondering if my CPU is overheating and flexing and losing contact on the memory side since it's a 12th gen Intel?

[manic torrent]

Uhhhh you should get zero errors on memtest

[sonic barn]

Kaskade and deadmau5 collabs are really good if you like the old progressive house style instead of festival stuff

[manic torrent]

Miss Monique is A++++ rad.

[sonic barn]

Kx5 on Spotify

[ionic flame]

I'm running IntelBurnTest at max, have a 12900K, Asus Z690-P Wifi, both memory sets are giving issues on MemTest. G-Skill 6400MHZ kits (not compatible with my mobo, but will boot at lower speeds) it ran 100% fine for 2 months

[sonic barn]

My favorite recent one is sacrifice

[ionic flame]

Literally nothing has changed in 2 months, it just started shitting the bed today

[tardy terrace]

maybe you finally started to physically wear out your memory controller

[ionic flame]

How would that be possible when it's literally undervolted/underspeed

[dreamy rose]

someone threw out a good 22 inch CRT monitor.

[tardy terrace]

idk, you tell me, you've provided minimal info

[manic torrent]

It sounds like whatever you have done, it's run its course, and you're now in the "find out" stage.

[lyric fog]

does anyone know what is a good power supply to get with the 4090?

[ionic flame]

I haven't done anything though, it's all just default settings on the motherboard.

[manic torrent]

Yes

[dreamy rose]

1600W

[sonic barn]

PCPartPicker

Seasonic is good, LTT gets deals for them in their videos sometimes

[lyric fog]

I know to get an atx 3.0 but Idk which brand makes the best 600w wire

[dreamy rose]

they are all the same,

[sonic barn]

Seasonic has the best warranties

[lyric fog]

so any 1000w atx 3.0 psu is good p much?

[sonic barn]

Yeah

[lyric fog]

gotcha

[sonic barn]

Get platinum or gold

[manic torrent]

Go to the PSU cultists tier list

[sonic barn]

No Chinese AliExpress ones

[lyric fog]

im looking at the MSI MPG A1000G PCIE5

[manic torrent]

Get anything suitable from the top tier

[sonic barn]

No no no

MSI isn't a power supply company

[manic torrent]

Product, not company!

[frail steeple]

should i use windows 98 or 95

[stray apex]

Probably fine

[stray apex]

Their oem is

[sonic barn]

If you want to not stress, Corsair or seasonic is the best

[stray apex]

Corsair isn't a PSU company either

[sonic barn]

They give you like 10 years

[golden talon]

depends on cpu

[stray apex]

Yes, they're very confident in their oems

[manic torrent]

98 is was better. It introduced real plug and play

[frail steeple]

oh ok ty

[sonic barn]

I have one and never had an issue

[lyric fog]

7800x3d

[golden talon]

anything above 800W will be fine

[lyric fog]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1477009-psu-tier-list-rev-161a/

correct me if im wrong but the MSI MPG A1000G PCIE5 is on the A-tier list?

[modest leaf]

Your mom's on the a tier list

[lyric fog]

so should be p good

[violet moth]

Hi

It’s 4am I can’t sleep

[full fossil]

its 11:22 for me

[violet moth]

What timezone

[violet moth]

BTS-timezone

[fluid ridge]

get off your phone you will fall asleep

[violet moth]

No sleeping for me

[fluid ridge]

lifespan reduced by 13%

[violet moth]

Ok

[unkempt widget]

oh you mean bst timezone

[violet moth]

Yes

I was confused

Things I did today:nothing and watch ltt on the telly

[golden talon]

i got driven in an M3 today

[violet moth]

What’s that

[sand thicket]

POV: you clicked a email with a pdf that was actually a file and got a virus that turned your yt channel into a crypto/Elon channel

[golden talon]

BMW sports car

[violet moth]

Ok what is the 0-60

[golden talon]

the one i was in was like 3 seconds

[violet moth]

Ok car go brrrrrrr

[dreamy rose]

*Screensaver file

[fluid ridge]

bmw drivers being charged 50 dollars every time they use drive like a decent person (there is no other explanation as to why they are so reluctant to so)

[ionic flame]

pov: you downloaded bonzai buddy and it's 2003 and windowsXP is bussin

[sand thicket]

Oh yeah forgot about that short Luke made lol

[unkempt widget]

i feel like 0-60 is advertised a lot, but for the average person, the 60-0 time is more important

[manic torrent]

Uhhhh no it isn't

[dreamy rose]

yeah it is.

the quicker you stop the less you hit

[manic torrent]

Perhaps, but it isn't significantly different for cars in the same class.

[golden talon]

bmws are fun to drive that’s all

[modest leaf]

0-60 is a function of traction, gearing, and torque. Torque sells and I'm going to have to say if you have a decent 0-60, your car is more desirable on average. Ppl don't like cars that don't push you back when you peg it

[manic torrent]

Anything with a 0-60 of under 4 is going to have grippy tyres and large brakes.

[golden talon]

i’ve driven all sorts of cars including porsches but BMWs are just the most fun

[modest leaf]

Ask the Germans. They started the torque sells thing and a lot of cars do that instead of breathable hp

[wispy marsh]

Gamers are weird.

[manic torrent]

It's why the WRX is better than the sti in most real world situations

[dreamy rose]

um. Australia made some mad Family cars

[wispy marsh]

Not a surprise. I believe there are people like me who, earlier on in life, used to use games as a form of escape from the handful of obstinate idiots around me

[fluid ridge]

i think fun from driving comes from how fast the car goes

[modest leaf]

Australia makes utes but most are technically American being gm/holden or ford

[golden talon]

not really no

[modest leaf]

Ford barra

[manic torrent]

Nope

[dreamy rose]

hey, the Commodore is Australian.

[wispy marsh]

Then there might be gamers who are also enabled by that sort of behavior

[fluid ridge]

idk man, i like cars but im not the traditional "i like to feel the car" type of guy, if it slams me back in my seat thats fun to me

like id rather take a tesla over a 69 camaro or whatever

[golden talon]

you’re looking for a rollercoaster ride

[modest leaf]

I like corvettes. Cars that you can feel.

[fluid ridge]

see exactly im not that type of guy

[modest leaf]

Not the dumbed down bmw or Mercedes drive itself and u don't hear much

[manic torrent]

Ok, so you're basic.

[fluid ridge]

i like going as fast as possible in the shortest amount of time

[dreamy rose]

i like cars that look and sound cool Stock.

[golden talon]

i like BMW M cars the most

[fluid ridge]

definitely basic when it comes to cars, i have not meant a single car person who shares this opinion

[golden talon]

highly modifiable and fun to drive

[modest leaf]

Most people do. Torque sells that's why most cars do that

Now at least

[dreamy rose]

or if its modified. its not slammed and given a widebody and a 12 ft tall wing.

like the majority of car people think is cool\

[manic torrent]

Everything from there to obsession and in between. "Gamer" these days covers a looooot of people.

[thorny axle]

So the most average car guy ever

[fluid ridge]

no "car guy" shares this opinion

[thorny axle]

You sound like a 16 year old who just found out it’s fun to push the pedal all the way down

[fluid ridge]

im not going to call myself a car guy but i like old cars, especially the ones from Japan - one of my favorite cars ever is actually the r32 GTR, but at the same time id be perfectly happy to be in a tesla too

[fluid ridge]

im only 18 so ive been driving for only 2 years but i started like that and im still like that

[thorny axle]

Not surprised

[manic torrent]

I just drive a Subaru legacy wagon.

[dreamy rose]

the car i want cant exist.

[thorny axle]

How unfortunate

[dreamy rose]

so why bother taking about it

[fluid ridge]

the car i want i will never be able to afford

[fluid ridge]

however with that being said is it really your pagani if i have your car keys

[thorny axle]

I’m going to be honest with you, I think that’s pretty ugly

[dreamy rose]

nah. your trippin balls bro

[manic torrent]

Haha really?

[thorny axle]

lol

[fluid ridge]

also TIL ublock origin breaks plex

i wonder what those folks are hiding in their website

[dreamy rose]

ublock breaks Plex?

[fluid ridge]

yep, i cant log in if i have ublock enabled

[rich mauve]

喂，这里有国人吗

有的话@我一下

[pine whale]

ah yes i love reading scribbles

[rich mauve]

ltt群空荡荡的

[pine whale]

how about speak a universal language such as english

[violet moth]

I have A stupid video idea

[thorny axle]

Like this

[violet moth]

A Poe powered laptop

[fluid ridge]

what makes english the universal language 🤔

[thorny axle]

Hey, watch your language

[pine whale]

its more widely known than whatever that is chinese or japanese

[rich mauve]

cnm, 我说啥了？

[thorny axle]

Its extreme spread could be used as an argument to that, just to be fair

I believe it’s spoken by the most people, and more importantly, by the most countries, particularly in this server

[pine whale]

english is a widely used language

japanese is not

[fluid ridge]

it is the universal language in those countries then

[thorny axle]

LTT is held in one of those counties as well

[fluid ridge]

a language is not universal if it is not universally used, not by a long shot - according to babbel (and sheer population size) chinese is the most spoken language in the world, however it's universality is only true in china

[pine whale]

im finna get u muted

[thorny axle]

Hey, watch your language!

[thorny axle]

Did he say something bad?

[dreamy rose]

51% of steam users speaking Chinese

[fluid ridge]

and this is a completely fair point, we are in a english speaking discord server so we should speak english - however I disagree with the idea that english should be considered universal when clearly it is not

[thorny axle]

How many speaking English

[manic torrent]

It's been done.

[dreamy rose]

22.8%

[thorny axle]

Totally believe that

[manic torrent]

I'm assuming that's not "speaking" that's "language selection on installed steam instances"

[rich mauve]

Man, I just want to see if there are Chinese I can talk to

[fluid ridge]

not the place for that 🫡

[rich mauve]

Seems like no

[manic torrent]

It's literally in the rules

[rich mauve]

Me bad at English

[forest valve]

China #1

[fluid ridge]

bing chilling

[dreamy rose]

well they can speak and understand it if they can read it. and if they can read it they can use it on steam

[pine whale]

go to a discord server with international chats not the linus tech tips general chat 💀

[manic torrent]

Yeah nah it doesn't work like that

[forest valve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1024863677024829470.png?quality=lossless&size=48

Zhong Xina approves

[thorny axle]

English was higher for several months in a row before that

[fluid ridge]

(+10 trillion social credit points)

[dreamy rose]

the fuck you mean it Doesnt work like that? you wont have steam set to chinese if you cant understand it

[thorny axle]

He’s not the brightest bulb in the box

[manic torrent]

Reading, writing, speaking and understanding are all different skills.

Related, yes, obviously.

[dreamy rose]

i'd say reading and understanding is one in the same

[manic torrent]

Sorry what I mean by understanding is understanding spoken language.

[thorny axle]

Let’s put it this way. There’s about 10 people here. 9 speak English and one Chinese. You think it matters how many people selected Chinese as their main language on STEAM? This is an English-Speaking server

[manic torrent]

I thought that was obvious from context, but apparently not.

[fluid ridge]

the number of people who can read and write chinese but are incapable of speaking/understanding chinese is probably so low the number can probably be dismissed

[dreamy rose]

we are talking about steam not discord.

[thorny axle]

This began with discord

[rich mauve]

Good, the fish comes to the net

[fluid ridge]

the number of people who can understand and speak chinese but cannot write/read are probably much bigger, but in that case they would obviously not use chinese as their interface language

[thorny axle]

Why the heck are you talking about Steam

[fluid ridge]

this started about the universality of english

[dreamy rose]

the topic of common language come up and that was worth a mention.

[pine whale]

💨

[thorny axle]

Steam’s number one language last month does not decide if Chinese is more universal than English

[dreamy rose]

does on steam.

[thorny axle]

The numbers change dramatically every month, just look at the previous 3 months before that

[violet moth]

WHAT really

[pine whale]

well china does have alot more people than most countries 😂

[manic torrent]

.... I mean, PoE isn't new.

[violet moth]

But on a laptop

[thorny axle]

Hint: English was the highest

[pine whale]

english supremacy

[rich mauve]

Damn, I better run

[thorny axle]

Clearly Steam is not consistent, so idk why you’re looking at that

[manic torrent]

... which you can do with like... An hour and a soldering iron?

[pine whale]

i've already reported u like 7 times 😂

[thorny axle]

You probably just googled places where Chinese is more common than English

[rich mauve]

I told you I am trying to fish in this pool

[thorny axle]

And Steam was the first result

[rich mauve]

I fished you 7 times then

[dreamy rose]

mate i watch Steam Hardware survey every month

[manic torrent]

Hurrrrr

[pine whale]

i mean u finna get muted or warned for "fishing"

[thorny axle]

Fish elsewhere

[pine whale]

the best one piece character is kirito

[vapid moss]

steam hardware survey for March

so yeah a lot of change

[pine whale]

is there a difference between chinese and simplified chinese

[thorny axle]

Only doubled the Chinese population and cut the English by a third

[thorny axle]

One is simpler

[pine whale]

maybe alot of weebs are on steam

[gray hawk]

Gaming was better when Chinese people were behind The Great Firewall

[dreamy rose]

traditional vs simple. i dont remember.

[dreamy rose]

weebs like Japan not China

[vapid moss]

Linux language stats

[pine whale]

i shoulda went to school in china

[pine whale]

W look at that 83% english

[thorny axle]

Much closer to what I’d expect

[pine whale]

we gotta bump that up to 95%

[dreamy rose]

did you hear china could be switching to Linux instead of windows? a whole 1 billion population switching to linux.

[thorny axle]

How about 100

[pine whale]

99.5

[vapid moss]

and MacOS

[pine whale]

gotta leave some room for the others

[thorny axle]

I think you’re missing the point

[pine whale]

ripbozo 6.8%

[violet moth]

Cheese

[thorny axle]

Hey, that rounds to 6.9 (nice), give them some respect

[dreamy rose]

they wanna ditch Windows. its American

[thorny axle]

You’re still missing the point

[dreamy rose]

what point am i missing?

[pine whale]

the point that is being made

[gray hawk]

Why did my message get deleted? The political argument I get but you can literally read peer reviewed research about the differences between shame and guilt culture. We are raised to experience guilt, in other cultures including many asian ones you experience shame once you are caught. There is also fear culture, which is mostly pertinent to autocratic dictatorships

[thorny axle]

English is more common

[pine whale]

🗿

[dreamy rose]

there is no point being made, its just "China wants to move to linux"
and then "You're missing the point"

[pine whale]

cant have anything nice in linus tech tips discord 😢

[thorny axle]

This is why we can’t have nice things

[pine whale]

no image perms no embed perms no text wall perms

[thorny axle]

And people like @dreamy rose

[gray hawk]

Im amazed they have any body left to watch the Disc with all the effort that must be spent on keeping Linus from canceling himself

[tardy terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-dog-mike-sleepy-puppy-cute-gif-16802724

[thorny axle]

They have people watching the discord?

[dreamy rose]

what are you talking about?

[tardy terrace]

what is this massive mound of cringe

[thorny axle]

English vs Chinese

[tardy terrace]

all y'all be nice to each other

[pine whale]

no i refuse

[thorny axle]

Realistic expectation

[dreamy rose]

someone trying to make a nonexistent point apparently

[wispy marsh]

Hello LTT

[tardy terrace]

Meowdy

[wispy marsh]

Maoooooo

[violet moth]

https://tenor.com/view/bbc-news-no-news-nothing-bbc-no-update-gif-25341446

[dreamy rose]

Cow?

[wispy marsh]

Rate the ducting

[tardy terrace]

4/10, for effort

[violet moth]

-10/10

[wispy marsh]

Thanks

[gray hawk]

I have zero problems with chinese players. But I expect them to follow western norms when playing games with westerns, just as I would expect to follow chinese social norms when playing predominantly chinese games

[pine whale]

11

[thorny axle]

Basically, a guy spoke mandarin, and someone said something around the lines of English being basically the standard language, at least here. This guy then brought up that in the past month, Steam’s Chinese population outweighed the English population. Then they were shown plenty of examples about English generally being a larger population, including OS

And then we ended up here

[dreamy rose]

2 Wolfenstein's out of 14 boneless chickens

[thorny axle]

Brown star for effort

[pine whale]

mandarin oranges

[dreamy rose]

you do realize the 51% number combines EVERY OS on steam right

[wispy marsh]

Sounds like my parents when they're clinging on to traditional chauvinist ancienty dynasty practices instead of living their lives in contemporary times.

You can't blame some people when the giant pile of unusable, nutrient-free dung is their whole existence.

[thorny axle]

I suppose

[stray apex]

They also wanna ditch tsmc

[dreamy rose]

and i'm not even the one making it an Argument how am i getting blamed for it

[pine whale]

i blame you

[stray apex]

It turns out that relying on adversarial nations for critical strategic resources is bad or something

[thorny axle]

Democracy

[thorny axle]

Seeing their GPUs in action, it seems like a poor choice

I think they want to have TSMC, not ditch it

[stray apex]

Well, the US isn't playing nice these days

[dreamy rose]

china can have their own Fabs.

[gray hawk]

Its almost like a third world war is imminent and we are in the midst of a second cold war

[dreamy rose]

they dont need TSMC

[pine whale]

china could just stop trading with the us and we would lose everything

[wispy marsh]

Sounds like what the Geth would say when they received orders to self-terminate from the Quarians

[stray apex]

With the minor issue that they would as well

[dreamy rose]

Apple would be hit the most.

[manic torrent]

It's far more complex than that. And it's just absolutely stupid.

[stray apex]

Yay, global economic collapse!

[pine whale]

gotta take a hit sometimes

[thorny axle]

We still have places like Bangladesh for labor

[gray hawk]

Check out the NEMICO Networks discord

[wispy marsh]

And what the Krogans say too, because even through they went through a genocide, they're still hella stubborn

[stray apex]

Uh
The US is a food exporter
China
Is not

[hollow pulsar]

A large part of their economy would be hurt as well. Better to wean off the dependancies- which is exactly what they are doing.

[stray apex]

Do you know how much fucking corn we have

[full fossil]

Hey I love me some politics

[pine whale]

we have plenty of burgers to export

[thorny axle]

They definitely want it

[gray hawk]

I checked out of the OS INT community because legit it was wrecking my mental health. There was one point I was sure Russia was about to nuke Ukraine and I just stopped functioning for like 3-4 days. Didn't go to work, ate junk food, and played video games all day.

Like the world is so much closer to the edge than most people are generally aware

[stray apex]

What kind of osint would convince you that Russia wants to do that

[pine whale]

what

[full fossil]

Wtf

[stray apex]

Russia isn't actively suicidal

[manic torrent]

Incorrect

[full fossil]

13 year difference lol

[dreamy rose]

they need it if they wanna make chips. but they can just make their own Fabs.

[full fossil]

Unlike me

[thorny axle]

Also, they mentioned plans to diversify to countries like vietnam

[pine whale]

u do realize nukes will probably never be used once one launches more launch from other countries

[dreamy rose]

iphones are made in china

[thorny axle]

Plans implies future tense

[manic torrent]

It always has been. Literally one person on a sub stopped nuclear war.

[thorny axle]

Hopefully not

[gray hawk]

They arent actively suicidal but theyve put themselves between a rock and a hard place. They are in a war they know they cannot possibly win, and to fail and admit defeat after such a high expenditure of men and resources means the certain end of the Russian Federation as a nation state. Russia is a cornered animal, with no way out.

[stray apex]

Yes, and why should the leadership care?

[manic torrent]

Also it isn't "they". It's more or less one man.

[dreamy rose]

if china stopped trading entirely apple would be stopped dead in their tracks. and their worth goes DOWN

[stray apex]

The people will suffer? Da, comrade id noble suffering

[gray hawk]

Because when Russia collapses they become Tsar Nicholas II

[pine whale]

there is a way out just surrender and be done with it?

[stray apex]

Gettem with that hot red propaganda

[manic torrent]

... which would be irrelevant because the world economy would collapse.

[tardy terrace]

It's interesting to see how diverse #public-chat gets after a few mild topic shifts

[pine whale]

😂

[full fossil]

I agree

[hollow pulsar]

Yea, some of it is political and not related to tech though.

[gray hawk]

and China would starve slowly. China is kind of in a rough spot too because on one hand the produce a lot of the worlds consumer goods, but on the other they import MASSIVE amounts of food.

[thorny axle]

You still don’t understand, let me repeat it as clear as glass for you

Apple understands that they rely too much on China, and they don’t like it. As a result, they have decided to begin plans to move to other counties, ending their reliance on China. These plans are not enacted yet, but they do exist.

[stray apex]

Apple is already producing in India because of tariffs so

[full fossil]

I'm gonna start a war in this chat

[pine whale]

i saw that lol they opened an apple store

[thorny axle]

It has already begun, just join it

[tardy terrace]

The war's already started

[full fossil]

Trump VS biden

[gray hawk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQHUAJTZqF0

[tardy terrace]

Fuckin' christ

[manic torrent]

The entire world more or less is interdependent and has been for decades. Lots of idiots don't understand this, and some of them have lots of power.

[thorny axle]

Rock and a hard place

[unkempt widget]

what are we arguing about now

[manic torrent]

Hurrrrr.

[thorny axle]

Politics

[hollow pulsar]

Where to manufacture electronics

[tardy terrace]

shut up, you literally have crunchy toes

[full fossil]

Wtf????

[thorny axle]

You tasted them?

[gray hawk]

No, lots of countries want to be the world dominating superpower the US briefly was in the 1950s/60s and don't realize thats impossible in a globalized economy where we aren't the only non-cratered industrial base. Several of these countries would rather destroy the world if they cannot have that

[thorny axle]

The US is definitely a superpower

[stray apex]

No lol
The US is the only one who actually tries that
Everyone else is going for superpower at most

[pine whale]

fr

[manic torrent]

Yes, but not in anything like the same way

[tardy terrace]

US navy baybee

[full fossil]

1860 to 1865

[stray apex]

Back when we could nuke things with impunity

[dreamy rose]

the US is just an Ego trip. they are to be the "Big scary man"

[gray hawk]

China is actively trying to be that right now. I'd argue we ARE at war with China. But China's version of WW3 does not involve bullets nor boots, it involves packets and wire transfers.

[pine whale]

we have laser weapons

[unkempt widget]

bro why do people have so terrible takes in this discord

[stray apex]

Nah, US foreign policy actually involves heavy use of allies and shit

[manic torrent]

....and the reality is that the US has already lost.

[tardy terrace]

The vast opinion of man

[pine whale]

and we have fancy boats

[gray hawk]

Like the 3rd possible end of the Russian Federation is they become a chinese puppet state. I'm 99 percent sure thats the end goal of all these arms deals China is offering

[thorny axle]

?

[stray apex]

I'd argue the US retains the lead in cutting edge technologies

[pine whale]

and we have fancy boats with laser weapons

[full fossil]

If linus actually saw this chat he would probably have a heart attack lmao

[thorny axle]

So basically the colder war

[stray apex]

The US is also much, much better at making allies

[dreamy rose]

that's their plan. Act scary and tough and hide behind the British monarchy and the allies behind it.

[manic torrent]

Doesn't matter.

[thorny axle]

^

[stray apex]

Ideologically we're very flexible

[unkempt widget]

lost in what

[tardy terrace]

in sauce

[hollow pulsar]

Lawl

[stray apex]

?
No, our allies give us global capabilities for way cheaper, and in return they get nigh guaranteed security

[gray hawk]

@polar hamlet I hope this is the right Linus out of like the 30 of them

[thorny axle]

We just have a few people in power who are… questionable at best

[stray apex]

Security relationships with the US are largely win-win

[unkempt widget]

that's not the right linus, also don't try to ping the right linus lol

[manic torrent]

.... A few? The entire thing is fundamentally broken

[gray hawk]

Unless hes a moron he has pings turned off

[thorny axle]

Eh, I think people often lack the real understanding of history and politics to see how well the system worked in the past

[stray apex]

The system has always been a garbage fire lmao

[dreamy rose]

linus isnt in the discord. and he wouldnt have that pfp

[unkempt widget]

linus is lmfao

[gray hawk]

The US gov was never meant to serve the needs of the common man, the US literally formed out of a merchant class rebellion

[thorny axle]

Considering it is literally a superpower, I would say it has politically worked quite well in the past

[manic torrent]

... you mean before corporate interests literally bought the entire judicial system in America?

[dreamy rose]

since when?

[stray apex]

Eh, they did that in the past too

[tardy terrace]

lmao are we arguing over linus' whereabouts

[manic torrent]

That is not important.

[unkempt widget]

.

[stray apex]

Basically, people don't care, until people really start to care

[full fossil]

What he said

[thorny axle]

When you’re judging a political system, it kind of is

[manic torrent]

Yeah nothing even close to the scale as of today

[pine whale]

i wonder if china has better mcdonalds toys

[manic torrent]

That's the external power. The real problem is within

[gray hawk]

It worked GREAT for enriching the wealthy, and oppressing the poor. The only time it "Worked" for the middle class was post WW2 when we had the only factories in the world that hadn't been reduced to rubble by the Luftwaffe

[dreamy rose]

bru

[pine whale]

the true measure of a country is the quality of the mcdonalds toys

[stray apex]

Yes, because once they fixed the problems we stopped caring and let the systems that broke the monopolies wither away
But they're starting to come back

The return of unions shows that Americans are getting annoyed with capitalism again

[pine whale]

idek what a union is tbh

[thorny axle]

Just have to hope something happens

[manic torrent]

Starting? Starting? McDonald's hot coffee lawsuit that more or less kickstarted the wholesale destruction of local courts was decades ago

[gray hawk]

Except now theres a constant stream of propaganda and culture war distractions from the oligarches bought and paid for news networks to keep us busy infighting.

[pine whale]

hot coffee lawsuit 😂

[stray apex]

And we unionized anyways, your point?

[dreamy rose]

the case where someone sued because they spilt their coffee?

[stray apex]

Yeah, they got burned really badly

[manic torrent]

Because they had severe crotch burna that required skin grafts and weeks of hospitalisation

[dreamy rose]

what like 3rd degree?

[gray hawk]

The US isn't meaningfully unionized. Unionization rates peaked at like 80 percent of US workers. Also they will keep changing the law to defang unions. You can't overthrow the capitalists by working within the confines of their own system

[dreamy rose]

From a Coffee?

[pine whale]

bad

[manic torrent]

And people's dumb shit reactions here are a testament to the PR campaign that followed.

[gray hawk]

They will just change the system

[thorny axle]

Probably a very bad second degree

[manic torrent]

Yes. That was way too hot, and they knew it was, and they had been sued multiple times before for the same issue.

[stray apex]

Yes, shockingly McDonald's doesn't want people to think that they'll get their dick destroyed by a McCafe

[pine whale]

basically 3rd degree means it could damage ur bones

[stray apex]

I'm not sure what that has to do with the courts though

[pine whale]

😂

[manic torrent]

... go read about it, it has everything to do with it

[gray hawk]

actually it was a 70 something year old woman, and she had to have extensive skin grafts and multiple surgeries

[tardy terrace]

wasn't it arbys that had steam come flying back up through the urinals at one of the locations, and a guy sued for a lot of money

[manic torrent]

.... This incident was 30-40 years ago.

[pine whale]

is this the woman that had her genitals destroyed by a mcdonalds coffee

[gray hawk]

Yeah

[stray apex]

Yeah, and there are in fact plenty of people who do know about it

[manic torrent]

But it is actually a fairly significant turning point in US commercial regulation and law.

[pine whale]

i hate mcdonalds chocolate milk shakes they just dump half a bottle of chocolate syrup into it

it tastes so bad

[tardy terrace]

thats literally the point of mcdonalds

[dreamy rose]

they turn their customers into their mascot. Clowns

[thorny axle]

McDonald’s in general is just crap

[gray hawk]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants

[pine whale]

nah mcdonalds is decent

[thorny axle]

Except their fries, if you get them at the right time

[thorny axle]

McDonald’s in the US is disgusting, I’m sorry

[gray hawk]

Burn incident

Stella May Liebeck was born in Norwich, England, on December 14, 1912; she was 79 at the time of the burn incident. On February 27, 1992, Liebeck ordered a 49-cent cup of coffee from the drive-through window of an Albuquerque McDonald's restaurant at 5001 Gibson Boulevard Southeast. Liebeck was in the passenger's seat of a 1989 Ford Probe, which did not have cup holders. Her nephew parked the car so that Liebeck could add cream and sugar to her coffee. Liebeck placed the coffee cup between her knees and pulled the far side of the lid toward her to remove it.[10] In the process, she spilled the entire cup of coffee on her lap.[11] Liebeck was wearing cotton sweatpants; they absorbed the coffee and held it against her skin, scalding her thighs, buttocks, and groin.[12][13]

[pine whale]

they usually give us burgers fresh from the grill

[dreamy rose]

Arbys just makes food explode.

[gray hawk]

and Taco Bell makes your asshole explode

[manic torrent]

"hey google what is tort reform"

[dreamy rose]

imagine being on the toilet then you just hear "Chicken"

[pine whale]

wendys is very good

[thorny axle]

One time after I had an Arby’s, I went to the toilet and I heard (faintly), “we have the meats”

[pine whale]

a baconator with fries 😻

[full fossil]

Isn't it crazy that college graduation is held in another city?

[thorny axle]

Tbh kind of a poor man’s five guys

[pine whale]

🗿

[full fossil]

In most universities, graduation is held either on campus or in a nearby place within the same city

[thorny axle]

Five Guys is genuinely good, but expensive as heck

[manic torrent]

This is the problem. The subject is corporate regulation and responsibilities, and people just talk about food 😦

[pine whale]

wendys slander