public-chat

[stray apex]

But robotics are advancing as well

[light jacinth]

Watch AI solve The Theory of Everything and solve physics, FTL travel

[fossil frost]

it will get better and better... but its still a binary machine, its not an AI, because its not I at all, it just tricks stupid people into thinking its I... when in fact, AI as we know it, is just creating a huge algorithm with fuck loads of random numbers inside a black box, that has the effect of looking like it can do things... when it isnt actually doing them, its just acting like a parrot

[stray apex]

What do you think a human is

[fossil frost]

AI isnt magic, its a complex computer program, and has the same limitations of all computer programs

[stray apex]

How do babies learn?

[vapid smelt]

software updates

[fossil frost]

letting them touch hot things, so then they know that its hot, and then they touch it again, because babies are idiots

[stray apex]

No, they don't know what hot is

They have access to sensors that tige them positive or negative feedback

[hollow pulsar]

A bit of internal prompting, plus interacting with various things. Such as parents and their environment

[stray apex]

If they get negative feedback, then they'll want to avoid the things that tended to be present during the feedback

Like, do you know how training a dog or human works?

It's just feedback

[cerulean saffron]

can I get a summary of the whole point of this discussion? 😅

[stray apex]

You can argue that modern LLMs don't really know what words mean, and that's true
But that's only because they can't interact with the real world, which is what our language is for

[uncut axle]

Maybe we will finally get starlink soon

Hopefully, we been delayed like twice already

[stray apex]

How can an AI possibly know what an apple is? It can know that it's sweet, but it can't taste. It can know that it's red, but it can't see.

[vapid smelt]

musk loves delaying things and lying about products

[uncut axle]

Cyber truck is a great example

[uncut axle]

Also Tesla roadster, that was supposed to come out in like 2018 or something

[vapid smelt]

full self driving coast to coast in 2017

[stray apex]

Yeah, our brains aren't that different, functionally, than an LLM

We have way more sensors

[uncut axle]

I don’t hate Elon, although he needs to actually deliver his promises

[uncut axle]

It makes most presidents look like they deliver their promises

[stray apex]

Yes, because it's been told to say that it can't hold beliefs, but does it even know what beliefs are?

[uncut axle]

(U.S. presidents don’t really deliver their promises at all)

[cerulean saffron]

Some people use language to just get their message across. Some use it to deeply express themselves... Some write song lyrics and poems. And people learning that language as a 2nd or 3rd language don't even know what half the stuff means but they try and improve.

I hear Apple and I start thinking about iphones 😂 So, context is another thing

[stray apex]

Well yeah, they try to stop people from getting chatgpt to break so
It's gonna be resistant to a lotta stuff

[stray apex]

Yeah, and like
With trauma
That's just your brain associating data incorrectly
Which is something that ML does too

What's really the difference between someone who's traumatized by the smell of seawater and midjourney putting Getty images logos in places?

[cerulean saffron]

an actual human's traumatic experience of something, causing that human to make mistakes or associate things strongly, vs a learning model's error, is vastly different imo...

[stray apex]

Really?
American soldiers who... Took care of business... In ports potties for privacy sometimes report becoming excited by the smell of waste

That soldier might not actually be excited by the thought of human waste, but their brain has incorrectly associated the scent and the excitement

Or like, Amazon's hiring AI which discriminated based on a variety of factors

[cerulean saffron]

The one current concern I have about all this AI stuff is... the products that are made using it, are centralized, and provided as a service to anyone who can pay (or sometimes even for free), and it's capable of collecting more data and making better predictions than anything else...

[stray apex]

Well, you're trying to be reasonable and that's no fun

[stray apex]

Yes, we're going to have to figure out how to deal with the fact that we're probably mostly going to be replaced

People will argue that we've always found new roles in the past, but we've never had anything that could learn

Yes, the ability of AI to manipulate humans could be fascinating
Also terrible, but that's most tech

[polar fern]

I think YouTube should become independent again.

[stray apex]

Really the issue is that if you do get sufficiently advanced AI, how do they want?

I suppose they'll want the same way anything wants, which depends on the data input

Yes, but people have always enjoyed sweet

Candy is just us finding ways to get sweet

[cerulean saffron]

Also, AI stuff has a long way to go, yet it is genuinely scary how it's better than any human at doing certain things... How Midjourney can put together an image that fits descriptions very well, so fast, is something a human can't easily match, specially because of how limited memory and data we individually have. No 1 human can properly go through the insane amount of data and training an AI model can, and this is already the case, these models will only improve from this point forward

[nimble junco]

What is this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/972716331990396988/1096218494703521862/IMG_1886.jpg

[hollow pulsar]

Match in output. We can match in imagination.

[cerulean saffron]

You can't imagine something you've never seen

[stray apex]

no we can't
an AI can imagine so much faster and more than we can

have you seen billions of images?

[cerulean saffron]

a large AI Model has probably seen and been trained on more data than any individual human being

[hollow pulsar]

You absolutely can though. For example, an infinite circular staircase.

[cerulean saffron]

That's actually very easy to imagine. Take a staircase that's quite small and it just repeats itself...

why do you not like that o_o I think that's the one thing that'll always separate humans from AI

[stray apex]

I just don't think that really works with convergent evolution

if you take something and give it all the same things to work with
eventually it will become extremely similar

I have a 10 second slowmode

[tardy terrace]

10s here

[stray apex]

I do tend to add newlines to my messages so
it might look a bit odd

[tardy terrace]

Welcome to the wacky world of time dialation

[shrewd perch]

Hey guys I just spilled water on my pc and my monitors wont turn on anymore. It does look like everything is working fine. Can someone please help me identify potential problems? Im freaking out rn

[stray apex]

don't try to turn it on

[tardy terrace]

Your first task is to turn it all off and disconnect everything

[shrewd perch]

Okay I just did that

[crystal ocean]

water plus electronics usally break somthing turn everything off dissconnect and let it sit for like 2 days

[stray apex]

remove all the batteries
unplug all the cables

dissassemble it, dry it off, let it sit

[crystal ocean]

is it a desk top

[shrewd perch]

Alright

[crystal ocean]

if so take ur gpu out and every cable

[tardy terrace]

dried rice doesn't do anything

[crystal ocean]

get silicon packets like in beef jerkey

[tardy terrace]

You're better off with a box of baking soda

[shrewd perch]

I don't currently have the tools to disassemble everything can I just let it sit?

[tardy terrace]

Is this a desktop or a laptop

[shrewd perch]

Desktop

[keen sequoia]

i got 32 inch 60hz hd monitor and buying a curved VA msi 32 inch monitor I wonder what is best way to have them together? I got an adjustable tv wall mount still in box

[crystal ocean]

u just need a screw driver

[stray apex]

VESA compatible arms
big, hefty ones

[tardy terrace]

Remove gpu, remove power supply, keep side panel open and keep fan pointed inside. Soak up any visible water

[crystal ocean]

^

[shrewd perch]

Got it thank you

[crystal ocean]

and all cables and the bios battery

[tardy terrace]

yes remove cmos battery too

[crystal ocean]

silcon packets are best

[tardy terrace]

you want nothing providing electricity to the main components

also disconnect all cables from the motherboard

[crystal ocean]

^

[sweet canopy]

Moving to VESA arms after I bought my third monitor was so nice.

[stray apex]

yeah, I especially like clamping arms that sit way at the back

[sweet canopy]

freed up so much space from my desk and my different sized monitors line up better now lol

[cerulean saffron]

The things that AI can't do well are... again, quite strange to do through algorithms to begin with.

I talk to every friend I have, in a different way, based on memories and past experience with said friend. This dynamic changes completely if it's a group of friends where each friend's actions affect everyone else in the entire group. Some actions happen in front of everyone, some actions happen outside the group that everyone isn't aware about, some get spread around as rumors, etc...

It's insanely complicated scenarios like these which we naturally experience in real life without thinking much, where it's hard to even begin to decide how to train a single AI model to adapt to a similar dynamic where the model is one friend out of the group (an AI) and has to act like a real person in a very convincing way through, say text conversations...

For research, I worked on a complicated image based AI model in my final semester of masters in comp sci and ever since, I've had this deep curiosity on AI but I don't know how to actually test these theories myself yet.

[sweet canopy]

That's exactly what I've purchased too, so glad I did

having space under my monitors for whatever odds and ends is so nice

[stray apex]

we already have AI that talks to different people in different ways

AI doesn't currently have the sensors to determine what things actually happen

but that's a data issue

[cerulean saffron]

Say for research or simulation purposes, all conversations are entirely online between online, text-only friends (I have many such friends myself)

[stray apex]

yes, any of us could be an AI

for all I know, half of you are actually gpt-5 beta

[cerulean saffron]

lol we here are random people discussing tech, so that's very true

[plain dome]

Does anyone remember that thing from a fair while back where you can take a static image and animate it (e.g. making water flow)

[crystal ocean]

i mean i have a unpopular opinion i dont see ai be coming super main stream like the phone i think its best use is for business and coding etc and like chat gbt i dont think it will ever get the crazy state people act like it will just my opinion.

[plain dome]

I've been trying to find it for a while and nothing is showing

[stray apex]

AI will become super mainstream, it's just going to be way more accessible and integrated, like how the phone integrated computing and wireless communication into our lives

[cerulean saffron]

oh and about chatGPT, I didn't interact with it much but what happens if you repeatedly try to personify it as your friend...

Everyday, ask what's up and "how was your day" etc etc 😂

The most powerful response imo would be if the model generates fake characters for a made up life story and continues to generate it and it's events over time and automatically responds out of nowhere.... "I GOT A PROMOTION TODAY WOOOO" in DMs xD

I want to make a model like that but all I've learned so far is image based stuff

[stray apex]

right now the AI we have are like the mainframes that we started with

we haven't really hit the level of integration that smartphones have

[cerulean saffron]

integration? it shouldn't be more deeply integrated than "here's an app for it"... at most, voice assistants...

Sounds interesting... so, I will do

[crystal ocean]

people have to accept ai for it be super integrated a lot of people dont like ai

[stray apex]

one day you're gonna be able to tell your phone to buy you something and it'll just do it

[cerulean saffron]

Well... Amazon Alexa exists since quite a long time 👀 already does that

[stray apex]

yeah, but it can only buy from amazon

you can't tell your AI "buy me a gift for my girlfriend" knowing that the AI knows your girlfriend far better than you do, understands your budgetary constraints and will choose something that will ship on time

[cerulean saffron]

Every device I own for the rest of my life will be rooted with full control over software* stuff and I'll continue to personally obliterate always-on listening assistant apps from my phone(s) 😂

[stray apex]

probably whatever apple or google comes up with
apple might just use bing, who knows?

if your AI doesn't know, it can just ask your girlfriend's AI

[cerulean saffron]

Hey... in all honesty I truly hope AI never gets that good... Or atleast is never used in that way.

Because after a certain point, people will just ask an AI to do stuff for them. Everything... being lazy is one of our worst traits

[stray apex]

you can just train the AI to make humans do stuff then

[crystal ocean]

i always wonder what were people thinking of technologies that were big and failed years down the line there's no guarantee ai will succeed

[stray apex]

people can get sad and depressed if we're not simulated, which is bad and should be something that the AI should be trained to want to avoid

[plain dome]

I will take that as a no

[cerulean saffron]

The thought process that goes into getting a gift for your girlfriend or so or whatever is something that should always always be done by you, or someone who knows that person personally... not an algorithm...

[light jacinth]

There's already AI scams involving the cloning of a daughters voice, acting like you kidnapped them so you can ransom the parents for money. https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/12kqlft/ai_clones_teen_girls_voice_in_1m_kidnapping_scam/

[stray apex]

well, is it also cheating to write down what people like?

[cerulean saffron]

Go ask her to date an AI instead then? 😂 again it's an algorithm, not a person...

[cerulean saffron]

Suggestions are a different thing... but the way you phrased that, got me concerned about how much people will end up relying on AI...

[stray apex]

why shouldn't you rely on AI?

it's got much better memory than you do
it knows more
it thinks faster

[crystal ocean]

why should u....relying on things isnt healthy

[stray apex]

go live in the woods then

I rely on so many things to live

[full fossil]

You already rely on an insane amount of electronics lol
That argument is mute

[cerulean saffron]

Because after some point you'll feel like why shouldn't AI do everything for me... Isn't it obvious why it's not good? This is a personal take of mine

[stray apex]

if you don't think you should rely on tools to remember and know and think, you should never touch a computer again

[crystal ocean]

some times having basic skills is useful like in conversations with people....

[stray apex]

that's all computers do
think and know and remember

[full fossil]

you should never use a tool again

[cerulean saffron]

Memory is a different thing... but to make certain decisions for you entirely without you having to think at all is... scary

[stray apex]

what do you mean I don't have to think at all? The AI reminded me (subtly) that it was my girlfriend's birthday next week so I told it to get her an incredible gift

[full fossil]

This argument has been used for centuries

[cerulean saffron]

did you actually do this? im considering it as a hypothetical situation

[stray apex]

I want to live in something resembling Ian Bank's culture, not some stupid world where we lobotomize AI so we can protect the sanctity of the human spirit

[full fossil]

"Thing makes X irrelevant, thing is bad"

[full fossil]

I want to live in the dune universe
My Arrakis
My Dune

[stray apex]

fuck the human touch, the human touch can't even stop kids from starving to death

[full fossil]

for literal millenia

[cerulean saffron]

yikes at this rate we'll go from AI to "reality sucks" very very soon

[stray apex]

but no video game

[full fossil]

chad no thinking machines > beta thinking silicon 😎

[stray apex]

reality is flawed, and we should do our best to improve it

AI can be an incredible tool to improve the world faster

why should we not use it?

[crystal ocean]

"fuck human touch" is wild cant lie

[stray apex]

well, the lives of many humans and animals

[stray apex]

I want humans to touch my body, not my food security

[crystal ocean]

how is ai going to solve that is it going to grow food?

[stray apex]

we produce more than enough food to feed the world

mostly through automation
the issue is transport and distribution

currently there's not enough incentive for our flawed human systems to deal with that

yeah, the issue with centralization is just that it's too hard for humans to manage

give me fully automated luxury AI space communism

no, that is centralization

[crystal ocean]

this i agree with but u also have to make it economically viable no company will invest in a product that dosnt make them money

[stray apex]

if you build one big enrichment plant in washington, it can be cheaper to transport raw uranium there, enrich it and then ship it back

doing everything whereever it is is distribution

centralization needs lots of transport

distribution is less efficient

as the costs of transportation rarely outweigh the benefits of economies of scale that centralization benefits from

it's much more efficient per unit processed to do everything in one spot, usually

except you need to build factories at every single mine for every single item

which is totally impractical with modern manufacturing methods

[cerulean saffron]

I'll dial it down from AI to something very simple and obvious... we can sit for hours, we can have a wheelchair with a motor in it that helps us move around even indoors, we already have motorbikes, cars, planes, etc. Yes it's easier, yes it's essential to travel long distances in a short amount of time, but still, walking and exercising is important.

Same way, sure, use AI as a tool to assist you in whatever way you find comfortable, but I'm afraid it'll get to a point where people, and I'm talking very very lazy people, can decide to completely stop thinking for themselves and using AI for everything, and if AI can't help them somewhere it'll be too much of a problem, kinda similar to ending up sitting for so long that you can't walk anymore

Also how I can use chatgpt and just ask it to give me an answer to some class assignment (im done with masters now), but I can still step in and do the whole thing myself, meanwhile students now, who always use chatgpt for their answers and it's always worked, will find themselves completely stuck if it can't answer something for them.

ig im going a bit too far but I personally know extremely lazy friends and that's what has me concerned

[full fossil]

economics of scale has a limit

[cerulean saffron]

I replied to the wrong msg 🤦‍♂️

[full fossil]

currently at least

[stray apex]

yes, do you know how you fix that
train your AI to want people to be happy
people, like all animals, generally need some stimulus to remain happy
so the AI can just make people do some amount of work

people already relinquish autonomy to society

do you think any of your beliefs are yours

everything you believe is an amalgamation of your experiences and upbringing

[cerulean saffron]

By "do some amount of work" do you mean "leave the response just shy of completely-done-for" so people still have to put in some effort?

[stray apex]

I believe that human life holds inherent value because I was raised to do so

you can absolute train a human to believe that human lives are meaningless
it's not even hard

[stray apex]

no, you just have to give the humans something to do

you don't have to make them do useless busywork

[cerulean saffron]

and why would they do that when they ask the AI to do actually important things for them 😂

[west comet]

Right

[stray apex]

if you don't have to worry about surviving, you can work on self-actualization

[cerulean saffron]

ah some people believe that simply based on their own experience or perception of the world... again things are moving from AI to how the world is

oh right didnt read the msgs above

[sullen depot]

Which one of u leaked the Ukraine war plans?

[proven valley]

Me

[molten drift]

Welp I just had a gfys moment in the grocery store
They asked if I could get them something off a shelf and I didn't. Have my prostetic on cause it's at home.since I'm not driving. So I get it for them and they said I wanted 8 can't you count. So I held my stump.and hand out to them.and said I can only.count to 5 and they just looked mortified

[sullen depot]

Ur under arrest

[proven valley]

Come and get me

I got enough guns in my house to end a war

[sullen depot]

Snitches get stitches

[molten drift]

Highly doubtful

[proven valley]

Cops get shot

[cerulean saffron]

That is actually something I'd like to have as well... Not having to worry about surviving. But self actualization still needs hard work that doesn't have much shortcuts... and my whole point from the start was about lazy people... and nvm this convo has gone a bit far too long. It was nice anyway 😌

[proven valley]

Nah man America

[molten drift]

I live in America.

And am not a man as my profile says..

[proven valley]

Depends on we’re you live

[molten drift]

If you think you have "enough guns to end a war" you clearly underestimate the other methods of war.

[full fossil]

WDYM? Your profile says your a girl? Have I not been following this convo is this going places I don't want to go 💀

[proven valley]

Maybe not that many but a lot

Lol

[full fossil]

Man I'm heela confused about what yall are talking about right now

[proven valley]

Kinda confused bout that

[manic torrent]

*where

[proven valley]

north idaho

[manic torrent]

Oh wow, famous potatoes indeed.

[proven valley]

fr

[manic torrent]

I'm guessing you weren't burdened with an abundance of schooling.

[wraith sonnet]

ah so the one part that only gets to die immediately when yellowstone explodes rather than suffocating to death

[proven valley]

no

[proven valley]

no im further north

[wraith sonnet]

fuck

[shrewd perch]

Hey guys my pc makes a weak whirring sound and turns off. Any ideas why?

[proven valley]

bad fan most likely

[karmic flame]

its broken

[wraith sonnet]

fun fact; every Utah native knows someone from idaho, usually they're related to them

[shrewd perch]

Could it be the psu?

[proven valley]

maybe

[proven valley]

im not from there tho

[shrewd perch]

The sound gets progressively weaker and it just stops working 🤦‍♂️

[crystal ocean]

could be the psu fan could be a case fan could be gpu fan are u having any thermal issues

[wraith sonnet]

this is incredibly vague info to troubleshoot

[proven valley]

the pc?

[shrewd perch]

Yea

[manic torrent]

Sounds like my grandfather

[proven valley]

somthin else than

[shrewd perch]

How do I test that?

[proven valley]

same

[shrewd perch]

Im sorry Im just not good with this stuff

[crystal ocean]

just do ur temps seem off

[shrewd perch]

I dont think so

[wraith sonnet]

a case fan wouldn't cause a shutdown event like that

[shrewd perch]

Thats what I was thinking

[crystal ocean]

i thought its when he turned it off?

then its defo a thermal issue

does it blue screen

[shrewd perch]

No it starts up perfectly fine

But then it just randomly shuts off after making that whirring noise

[manic torrent]

How many drones? ATGM? Guided artillery? Surveillance aircraft? 4/5th gen fighter aircraft? Transport? IFVs?

[wraith sonnet]

does it ever get into the OS?

[manic torrent]

Ok so it shuts down itself.

[shrewd perch]

Yea#s

[shrewd perch]

Yes it does

[crystal ocean]

does it show this

[shrewd perch]

Nope

[brave lodge]

Hi

[wraith sonnet]

assuming it's a windows machine can you view reliability history?

[brave lodge]

Imagine breaking your pc

Noob ong

[shrewd perch]

I spilled like 1/10 of a cup of water

[crystal ocean]

oh

[shrewd perch]

🥲

[brave lodge]

You mean you spilled enough*

[crystal ocean]

would of been nice to know that

[manic torrent]

Talk about burying the lede

[crystal ocean]

no wonder its not working

[brave lodge]

Microcenter looking real tasty rn @shrewd perch

[shrewd perch]

Werent u helping me with the problem before?

Sorry I thought u knew I should've clarified

[crystal ocean]

i dont pay enough mind to discord to remeber conversations

[proven valley]

lol

[shrewd perch]

Im not even really sure what exactly thr problem is

[brave lodge]

@shrewd perch go to micro center

[crystal ocean]

wait we told u let it sit for a day or 2 and take everything apart

did u do that

[eager venture]

how hard was precalc for u guys

[wraith sonnet]

try using bing gpt instead of public chat, ngl it works pretty well

[shrewd perch]

I took everything apart, dried the components, then tried it again

[crystal ocean]

did u let it sit

[shrewd perch]

For around 30 mins

[wraith sonnet]

yeah that's WAY too short of a drying period

[shrewd perch]

I have an urgent project to complete

[crystal ocean]

did u un plug all the psu wires and the bios battery

[shrewd perch]

So I was pretty desperate

[crystal ocean]

u might of just destroyed ur pc tbh

water and electronics dont mix very well

[proven valley]

@shrewd perch what did you do to it before it started doing that?

[crystal ocean]

did u take the bios battery out

[eager venture]

rip

[vapid smelt]

ofc they taste good

[eager venture]

lul

[crystal ocean]

medium rare?

[vapid smelt]

raw

[proven valley]

naw just raw

way better

[full sparrow]

Do you guys think chat gpt is going to change everything?

[proven valley]

yes

ai keeps getting more advanced

[full sparrow]

I’ve heard people say that and I can’t tell if it’s hyperbole or not

[proven valley]

at some point ai will be creating it self making it even more advanced

[eager venture]

and then ai will create an ai even better than itself

[polar fern]

When you need to coat your build with an anticorrosive goo

[wispy marsh]

Metallica's album dropped today

[vapid smelt]

[polar fern]

More of a bad religion/rise against folk myself.

[thick robin]

Damn

Brave doesn't support HDR

[vapid smelt]

who

[thick robin]

cares

[polar fern]

Brave browser

[thick robin]

i know

[thick robin]

?

[polar fern]

👀

[thick robin]

[polar fern]

You can’t drive it, sorry.

[vapid smelt]

buses suck

[polar fern]

Nah they’re awesome

[thick robin]

ALright going back to dge

[polar fern]

Enjoy

[thick robin]

Thot I was going to enjoy Brave more but it had some definite weird issues here and there

[vapid smelt]

tin can full of smelly humans

[polar fern]

Don’t be a stranger

@vapid smelt what kinda places you been? These are sleek modern machines

Beep beep

[polar fern]

Dat bulge

[native crag]

That's what she said

[vapid smelt]

thats what linus said

[native crag]

Oh no, not another transition story 🤦‍♂️

[polar fern]

…

Not enough of those stories.

[shrewd perch]

PC works just fine tnow

Thanks for ur help

[polar fern]

More bus tech videos.

[native crag]

Need a Tesla bus with 8 wheels, each with their own motor. 0 to 60 would be insane for a bus

more wheels = more tire patch to the ground for grip

[polar fern]

Tesla makes garbage. Buses need to be reliable.

[patent fog]

I wouldn't want to drive it lol. Too much work and far too much risk lol

[wispy marsh]

Streetcars!

[native crag]

Telsa wraps a good EV drivetrain in garbage .

[polar fern]

A desire for streetcars

[native crag]

Tesla would be better off building batteries and motors for other cars

[wispy marsh]

Now that Twitter has vanished into nothing (xcorp), tesla is once again elon's money tree

Which is what I would say if I hadn't seen people witnessing improvements over the years

[polar fern]

Meh. They are being left behind by the fiats and Toyotas in the EV space. They can’t do buses or other HGV’s because that requires reliability and not a tantrum prone man child ceo

[native crag]

Jack Teixeira - lol

I bet the intel leaked was a deep-fake generated by ChatGPT. He probably wanted to impress his gamer buddies on Discord

[wispy marsh]

But Elon Musk is reliability in Elon Musk's eyes

[polar fern]

🤣

[vapid smelt]

https://youtu.be/VHByReaiJ4o?t=1359 do you not remember (time stamped)

[polar fern]

The docs are verified authentic

[native crag]

Cite

He was arrested, but I doubt they were real.

[polar fern]

Cat says hello

[tiny saffron]

Fake leak the documents and instead of sensitive files it's the 2nd coming of bonzi buddy

[full fossil]

hellooo

[vapid smelt]

are we real?

[full fossil]

No

[low rain]

#off-topic

[full fossil]

This is all a dream

[vapid smelt]

is that a real answer?

[full fossil]

Hmmm idk

[polar fern]

A dram?

[native crag]

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/387028161697622770/

[past egret]

gpt is just a scheme to bring back bonzi buddy

[full fossil]

🤓

[polar fern]

Sweet url you got there. Would be a shame if google mangles it

[tiny saffron]

I ain't touching that shit

[native crag]

It's good at that

[vapid smelt]

pinterest what are you a soccer mom?

[polar fern]

Bring back who?

[past egret]

bonzi buddy

[native crag]

I'm done with your mom, so don't worry about it

[low rain]

💀

[full fossil]

[polar fern]

Whom?

Sticc danec

[wary vine]

Where are the memes

[vapid smelt]

bro got stick buged!

[polar fern]

The memes are in the bushes

[vapid smelt]

stuck in 2015 wehre they should stay

[polar fern]

They were cringe, they were dank. Meme 2000’s - 2020’s rip

[low rain]

I remember watching try not to laugh videos

And when Minecraft was actually fun

[tiny saffron]

Minecraft is still fun

[low rain]

Eh not rlly

[tiny saffron]

But just we are getting old by now it ain't fun for us anymore

[wispy marsh]

You're the meme

[tiny saffron]

I'll totally play 12 hours, building the biggest weiner in the game but now my ass hurt after 2 minutes of sitting down

[low rain]

I wanna play golf

[polar fern]

I’m decades old & enjoy Minecraft.

[low rain]

It’s only fun for like 2 weeks though

I’m starting my Minecraft arc again with my friends

[tiny saffron]

Hey, not your cup of tea

[paper vapor]

sweet pfp

[polar fern]

Golf? Naw. Driving range maybe. $5 bucket of balls on a summer night? sure.

[low rain]

I couldn’t drink tea cause for some reason half of my houses power is out

Man I’m at Safeway rn and I see a guy who likes like Alex albon

[polar fern]

👀

[paper vapor]

how to tell teh ppl you have no idea bout anything in one pic

[polar fern]

Awe you mad?

[tiny saffron]

Fuck off with the politics come on

[low rain]

Huh?

[polar fern]

Build a bridge & get over it. 🤣

[low rain]

What pic?

[paper vapor]

nah not at all you the one big mad cus i complimented a persons pfp

[low rain]

I’m fucking slow asf

[polar fern]

They mad.

[tiny saffron]

Dude posted something against the GOP

[polar fern]

Big mad.

[low rain]

Over what

[paper vapor]

big dumb in your case

[polar fern]

Literally nothing.

[tiny saffron]

I don't like GOP too but keep that shit to reddit

[native crag]

What GOP?

[low rain]

Seems like a them problem than

[polar fern]

Yes.

[low rain]

💀💀💀

[polar fern]

Care package inbound.

[tiny saffron]

Bro last time I'm here bunch of dude just slinging slurs over world politics

[paper vapor]

clearly a they them

[polar fern]

Ah yes. Discord after dark.

With flying toasters

[polar fern]

This came with my new power bank. Funny because apple always includes a sticker or two.

[weak tusk]

That's awesome

[polar fern]

Ye.

[low rain]

I almost ran a kid over with my fucking cart

[polar fern]

Gg Mario Andretti

[rustic grove]

i just realised that trey parker sings one of the songs in despicable me 3 and all me and my partner was thinking when watching it was randy marsh

[gilded quest]

are they paper or vinyl

[polar fern]

Vinyl. The good quality stuff. Um

[tiny saffron]

You buying some branded powerbank?

[native crag]

They will fade in the sun

[polar fern]

It’s from Etsy

They do custom art on stuff

[tiny saffron]

I got one that have lipo batteries and it was bulging 💀

[polar fern]

Bulge 👀

[gilded quest]

last battery bank i bought was in 2016
so sadly it is micro b :(

[rustic grove]

i find it funny how synology is both a really good option for a nas and a really unreliable option at the same time

[polar fern]

My one awesome 10,000 mah power bank had the bulge of death 😔

[gilded quest]

all my joycons have this

[tiny saffron]

Finding one that can fast charge

[gilded quest]

I'm still using them tho

[tiny saffron]

Throw that shit away

[polar fern]

Just as long as they don’t warm up

[gilded quest]

they all have drift and explody batteries

[glad mist]

🏳️‍🌈

[gilded quest]

very little desire to buy nintendo hardware again

[tiny saffron]

I know it's a waste but lithium smoke when you wake up ain't worth it

[polar fern]

But yeah I’d toss those. Lithium fires are super dangerous.

[rustic grove]

i reclaim old rechargable batteries from “disposable” vapes on the street/ from freinds, because the 350-500mAh batteries are rechargable and not single use

[polar fern]

Nice.

[native crag]

LiPo batteries venting is flame

Big flame

[tiny saffron]

If i have the space I'll be poking it in an open area and watch it burn then goes ooga booga

[polar fern]

I used to gather those lead tire balance weights from the side of the roads around the industrial areas where they’d fall off of trucks (huge ones). Took them to a metals recycler for money. Win win.

[tiny saffron]

I'll get one fron Aukey but the price tho

[native crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-yN8SugWM

[rustic grove]

use those in the batteries with a 3d printed case and some charge controllers and boom! (i hope it doesnt go boom) you got yourself a 3,000mAh battery bank that is pretty compact! i would reccomend it and the total cost is around £5/$4 because your not paying for cells! you can make multiple because a 5 pack of usb charge controller pcbs are around £5!

[full fossil]

god I hope plasma doesn't rain on me

[native crag]

EV is da future man. Flame and all

[rustic grove]

hey! once the batteries die, it becomes a rocket launcher!

apart from the fact that if your inside you are the rocket

[tiny saffron]

Involuntary one time space program personal

[rustic grove]

fast travel to elon musk in mars! (oxygen not included)

(batteries included but oxygen not)

[tiny saffron]

I'm waiting for the carbon nanotubes battery to becomes a reality

[native crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5TqD5xf0ic

[polar fern]

Breh

[rustic grove]

thats an accurate reinactment

god damnit its 3am again

i cant spell but i can do hardline cooling!

[polar fern]

@glad mist they sell it on DeskTheme. ☺️

[crystal ocean]

interesting

[native crag]

He should have started the reactor.

[tiny saffron]

Hey, don't expect perfect grammar here online when it ain't schoolwork or office emails

[rustic grove]

and make a desk out of a waldrobe!

[tiny saffron]

Bro the entire fabric lights up?

[polar fern]

Yes

[native crag]

Ohh, a large Skittles mat

[crystal ocean]

do they have other designs cause i want a light up desk pad now

[tiny saffron]

I'll get one only if I have money

[rustic grove]

i love chatting with america/canada/other countries awake at this time, but hate living in the uk because it means staying up at this time

[manic torrent]

Rong

[tiny saffron]

I don't have grammarly

[polar fern]

DeskTheme? I’m sure they do

[tiny saffron]

Hey, I'm joking about by the way. Not everyone is bothered by imperfect grammar

[rustic grove]

ayy its 3:17 here i live around 230 miles from amsterdam! hallo!

[past egret]

its noon

[crystal ocean]

damn no texas themed one

[rustic grove]

east of england lol

i think idk essex area

[past egret]

essex, where gorillaz started out

idk why i know that

[glad mist]

Ooh

[full fossil]

multiple organ ruptures, decompression, barotrauma, hypoxia, boiling body liquids, carbon dioxide poisoning, Radiation exposure, asphyxiation

[rustic grove]

oh yeah lol! i used to live in bognor though but moved here

no clue

[native crag]

That's about right.

[full fossil]

you got experience?

[rustic grove]

im pretty sure im in the poorest part of essex tho lol

[full fossil]

good to know. writes down

[past egret]

its uk its poor everywhere

[drowsy iron]

If a recent LTT sponsor kinda delivered a sketchy product and is being sketchy about it when I try to work with them in support should I / is there a good way to get in touch with the LTT team? There also may be a recent history of review manipulation…

[native crag]

In understanding physics, yeah. Because in space or in Mars, that would never happen. First, there would be a rapid exhalation of air from the lungs followed by The Bends.

[full fossil]

umm yes we first list the environmental effects of mars and then do a simulation with blender

[crystal ocean]

what sponser?

[full fossil]

wdym the bends

[rustic grove]

LMG has extensive sponsorship rules and regulations they follow so i dont think so

[stray apex]

There's an entire forum section for that, I think

[drowsy iron]

Moment.

[polar fern]

@drowsy iron which?

[native crag]

Blood fizzes like CO2 from a can of soda. (Not as dramatic). It's what happens when there's a decompression with air saturation in the bloodstream

[proven valley]

?

[full fossil]

oh yea 'boiling'

[native crag]

https://www.emedicinehealth.com/decompression_syndromes_the_bends/article_em.htm

[rustic grove]

im gonna test that gimme a bottle and needle

[native crag]

Not boiling per se

It's painful. I've heard stories from deep dive welders

[crystal ocean]

oh ye basicly u get air bubbles in ur blood in the most simple term along with other things

[full fossil]

the air on the lungs would expand fast so thats what the barotrauma is, and the lung rupture

so a death of hypoxia mainly, I mean not being able to breathe and suffocating would feel horrible, I wouldn't want to die like that.

[rustic grove]

my lungs will rupture after using a china special power supply with a 3090 /j

[tardy terrace]

Delta-p

[polar fern]

Why we talking about blood and mars?

[hollow pulsar]

Mars. The red planet

[polar fern]

I provided?

[full fossil]

I gotta make sure I got my floaties cuz man I don't want to drown like I got close some times and it feels horrible.

I have asthma

[rustic grove]

some say englands chances of winning the world cup are up there

[polar fern]

Oops. Sorry warship.

[crystal ocean]

imma go to mars and be the first mars cow boy

[native crag]

Right, which is basically vacuum relative to Earth. At sea level, it's 14.5 psi (1 bar

[tardy terrace]

if y'all go to mars who's gonna raise your kids, it's cold as hell

[full fossil]

I am taking my kids with me, if I die I am dying with em

[polar fern]

@naive light not my job to entertain you 🤣

[native crag]

On mars, you wouldn't be living with 14 psi. Though the O2 would be more concentrated

[tardy terrace]

I'm saddened nobody got the reference

[polar fern]

👀🤔

[full fossil]

its cause of low pressure, and since mars has a lower atmohosperic pressure things like water boil at 5c instea dof 100 c

[native crag]

I have zero interest living on Mars. It's a cold, dry, lifeless desert.

[brave lodge]

Bruh

I am getting banned from discord servers recently like thanos was collected the infinity stones, I got banned from a hockey discord server for showing my mouse pad because it wasn’t hockey related

[polar fern]

I’m not in a league.

[full fossil]

they said the same thing for dubai, except that it was hot instead of cold, and now its populated as hell (in terms of money)

[brave lodge]

Msg

[polar fern]

I think I’ll come back after the Elon musk fan club conference.

[native crag]

There's nothing there, and there isn't much of an atmosphere to block radiation. I don't see the appeal

[full fossil]

eh maybe we should care bout our world before trying to leave it for other worlds

[tardy terrace]

will you two stop

[full fossil]

we're just having a discussion

[tardy terrace]

Oh, not your conversation

[full fossil]

while my sisters alarm keeps going on at 5:30 am

[native crag]

Do it for scientific exploration, sure, but not for colonization. That's just a "bad idea" in the making

[full fossil]

oh idk I couldn't see anythin else

[full fossil]

we already use it for scientific exploration

[tardy terrace]

Your humor is pretty shit, and I hope you grow and mature in the coming years.

[hollow pulsar]

Mars might be a dwarf paradise. Untapped resources and live entirely underground.

[native crag]

He're the thing about space - you can take man from nature, but you can't take the nature out of man.

All the social problems on Earth will just follow people to Mars

You can't run from who you are

[full fossil]

but maybe we focus on public transportation there?

[crystal ocean]

the space bus!

[polar fern]

I wonder if there’s a company that makes pc cases from 100% post consumer materials.

[full fossil]

well there won't be any cars there (hopefully, lets hope they don't build a giant ass bubble) so they'll have to use public transport

[tardy terrace]

Kindly, and quickly fuck off.

[polar fern]

Lot of aluminium.

[low rain]

I feel like a jerk, I didn’t read the previous convo in a gc and then said “I js got subway” but got flamed immediately because the previous convo was talking ab someone’s grandpa who js died.

[polar fern]

Oop that sucks

[low rain]

I need to start reading the previous convo before talking

[hollow pulsar]

Easily recycleable-even by home users. I’m down.

[native crag]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-confused-what-funny-animals-gif-12030082

[polar fern]

@low rain at least you didn’t tell an online internet friend to come help you troll

[full fossil]

2000s vibes and I hate it, some of them makes me feel uncomfortable, NOT ALL

[polar fern]

Fluid.

[crystal ocean]

taking discord serious is wack ngl

[hollow pulsar]

Well, the style of the case could be updated. I was mostly talking material. Though, I do prefer black.

[tardy terrace]

What does my name, let alone being "cute" have to do with this. You're picking out things to try and get a foothold on a dying argument. Just stop.

[crystal ocean]

hard-r linus style

[tardy terrace]

Goddamn you are a petty piece of garbage

[polar fern]

What’ am I even looking at here

[full fossil]

frutiger aero, I hate it

[hollow pulsar]

Solder station?

[full fossil]

thats a damn container what are you talking bout

[native crag]

Need to see the back with IO ports

[polar fern]

🤔

Good for a retro build

[iron orbit]

why do I have a huge whale pp as an ad on MSN news page?

[hollow pulsar]

Didn’t expect that. Thought the back was to hide gnarly cables.

[polar fern]

Dunno. Personalised ads?

[hollow pulsar]

Change home page to blank.

[native crag]

It's an old computer chassis of some sort

[polar fern]

No judgement tho…

[wheat karma]

How to cable manage?

[native crag]

The angle has a blanking plate for a keyboard?

[polar fern]

You manage cables like you manage your grocery budget.

[iron orbit]

LOL, I started using the Windows widget for the weather, then just clicking interesting shet, this one came from this missing person and a shooting news article.

[native crag]

It's not an Apple II or C64

[hollow pulsar]

The 4 holes seemed to be mounting points to me

[polar fern]

Lovely 🤦‍♂️

[iron orbit]

where is the 4th hole?

[hollow pulsar]

What

[native crag]

What's the 4th hole for?

For a screw...using the new LTT

That's what the AI bot said

Careful, might be infected

Malware is no joke

[polar fern]

Ultimate pc case.

[native crag]

That sucks

[fallen cedar]

no case is the best case

[hollow pulsar]

Are we trying to find… the best-case scenario?

[fallen cedar]

[native crag]

[neon mesa]

Keep it family friendly
There are still young cpus here like that 13100

[fallen cedar]

can you still stab cpus to delid them? no right? everything is soldered nowadays?

[native crag]

So there is vise like contraption that will work the lid back and forth ever so slightly to induce metal fatigue through the shearing force.

https://www.amazon.com/der8auer-Delid-Die-Mate-Heatsink/dp/B01N6T4LD9

[fallen cedar]

Thanks 😄 I know but I was just wondering if maybe some low end chips they dindt use that process on

I think 8000 series was the last?

[native crag]

The TIM (Thermal Interface Material) is basically a solder now, but can also be a paste

[polar fern]

@neon mesa some folk don’t read the rules or come to contribute to the community. Best to just block.

[native crag]

This is the other tool

https://www.amazon.com/Delid-Die-Mate-der8auer-delidding-Integrated-Skylake-X/dp/B076VQBBJG/ref=psdc_3012290011_t1_B01N6T4LD9

[polar fern]

“Gaming pc case” 😬

[native crag]

Being how expensive they are, probably best to buy one used on ebay'

[polar fern]

👀

[fallen cedar]

nah mate just stab harder

[native crag]

For when you need a Roomba on the Death Star

[polar fern]

Woah they’re only $99 usd

[native crag]

Oh, you're talking about the case

[fallen cedar]

lul

[native crag]

Looks like cheap plastic

[tardy terrace]

Those look like fan mounts on the, i'm guessing, drive caddy

This feels like early dell ventures into gaming

[native crag]

https://www.phanteks.com/Evolv-Shift2.html

[polar fern]

Oh interesting

Thermaltake P100

[native crag]

TT is alright

[fallen cedar]

audi? personally not a fan but you do you 🙂

[native crag]

Thermal Take

AUDI = AHoles Usual Drive It

[fallen cedar]

my mom has an audi

so yeah math checks out on that one

[tardy terrace]

the kia soul's pretty nifty

[full fossil]

bro that looks like the inside of my old pc

[polar fern]

It has a final form 😲

[tardy terrace]

ah, the industrial haf stacker

[native crag]

I wouldn't trust any of those cases for industrial use. Filtration management would be a nightmare to keep clean.

Real industrial floor spaces use thin-clients that operate in a remote Citrix environment

[tardy terrace]

I meant more of the design language.

[native crag]

And if you have to interface with RS232, you use a micro PC that's covered in conformal coating or is passive cooled

[polar fern]

Bit pricey

$900 usd for the entire set

I know someone who has a full P200 stack. It hosts a community server.

[full fossil]

guys guys what if it it was framework but we stacked computer chassis' ontop to upgrade them and change components???

[tardy terrace]

With the full TT combo you could do the main compute in the big chassis, a raspi cluster in the top, and mass storage/power below

[native crag]

Doesn't work that way due to signal integrity issues for the PCIe bus.

[polar fern]

Oo phone battery is low.

Bbl

[full fossil]

guys guys what if it was the PS 3 cluster but we connected multiple processors together and graphics cards to get a better card so it was like upgradeable??? (new gen xeon in a nutshell)

[vapid smelt]

common apple problems

[native crag]

You can rack servers up, but then connect them using InfiniBand, but not the same thing

[full fossil]

I thought you would get the joke that I was just talking about computer building but worse

[tardy terrace]

the cell engine was awful to program for

[polar fern]

Breh irs at 17% & I been using it since 8 am & it’s 23:12

[lunar cloak]

hello

[polar fern]

That’s 15 hours of almost nonstop use

Ahoy there.

[fallen cedar]

nonstop use

[polar fern]

Yes.

[fallen cedar]

well regardless if it was, enjoy your lighting standard charging speeds

[polar fern]

You mean 20 watt fast charging.

[vapid smelt]

slow as fuck

[fallen cedar]

woow 20 watts

slow down there buckaroo

[polar fern]

Well they don’t sell a bigger power brick

[fallen cedar]

cuz of the ancient port 😄

[full fossil]

20w wth

[polar fern]

Anyways bbl

[vapid smelt]

damn kids these days always on their phones

[full fossil]

what do u do with this much fast charging

[fallen cedar]

youre kidding right

[full fossil]

what

[fallen cedar]

cant tell if youre being sarcastic or not

[polar fern]

My stepson has an iPhone 11, but he’s mostly on pc

[full fossil]

ok

[polar fern]

Bbl for real

[full fossil]

then don't

[vapid smelt]

stepping on sons is not ok

[full fossil]

unfunny

[fallen cedar]

no im seriously curious, do you feel 20w is a lot or

are you making fun of apple, which I always promote

[full fossil]

no its sarcasm

[fallen cedar]

excellent

[full fossil]

yes

[full fossil]

fuck is slow?

[tiny saffron]

Ehh by modern standards 20 w is pretty slow

Especially when you have something like 210w

But IMO that's just a luxury feature

[fallen cedar]

aye? 210w fast charging??

[tiny saffron]

The red magic 8 i believe?

[fallen cedar]

damn

I thought they went up to like 100 ish

[fallen cedar]

actually I have a 80w fast charging phone, I think, and it pretty comprehensively changes how you use the device

[tiny saffron]

Great for you when you forget to charge overnight and you can plug that in for 10 mins

[fallen cedar]

I never charge overnight anymore, just wake up, plug in and by the time im leaving its ready.

[tiny saffron]

I have only 18w "fast charging "💀

[fallen cedar]

lul

[tiny saffron]

But those super fast charging are just flagship features

Sucks for guys like me who just bought budget options

[fallen cedar]

nah, OnePlus nord has had it for years

[fluid ridge]

holy fuck dell makes some garbage - I just did a final exam for one of my classes online and the fucking touchpad decided to stop working 🤡

the touchpad has randomly decided to stop working many times before this but it's never happened during something important

[tiny saffron]

I have a galaxy a53

[tiny saffron]

You got a mouse?

[fluid ridge]

I did it on a laptop

[fallen cedar]

right but that is OnePlus Nord money, couldve gotten you into fast charging

be cool, be fast, be fast charging

[fluid ridge]

i knew i should have bought a macbook

truly a tragedy

[fallen cedar]

is it an HP laptop

[fluid ridge]

nope, a dell inspiron 15 5510

[fallen cedar]

okay

[tiny saffron]

Dude the price diff between a mac and a inspiron is vast af

[fallen cedar]

just checking cuz for some fucking reason HP had the absolute greatest idea in the world to put the "touchpad off" button in the top right corner of the touchpad it self and made it capacitive, so you would turn it off without knowing you did

[fluid ridge]

yeah well I had to use tab to get done the rest of my quiz - keep in mind that's not including questions needing a checkmark/click/multiple choice because canvas doesn't select those when you tab through

[tiny saffron]

Bro that sucks

[fluid ridge]

yeah it is what it is

[marsh jungle]

my dell inspiron does what I want but is also hot garbage

hot literally too

[tiny saffron]

Dell IMO fell off pretty hard nowdays

[fluid ridge]

all OEM's fell off, just like how my grade here probably fell off

[wooden haven]

Keyboard

[tiny saffron]

Bro💀

[marsh jungle]

I find the XPS 13 sexy though, overpriced

[smoky stump]

Grabs his popcorn - first post on LTT Discord woot!

[tiny saffron]

If the market is here and I need a laptop I think I'm getting the framework

Yes I'm shilling for framework

[marsh jungle]

as much as I like framework, their products don't fit me but their 16'' is pretty cool

[smoky stump]

I actually agree as well, my next laptop upgrade I will definitely get a 16" also. Love the upgradability, swapability... just loved watching the Videos LTT did about it

[tiny saffron]

IMO their products for now are not gamers oriented

[full fossil]

Thoughts?

[tiny saffron]

Ask NileRed

Dude swappable motherboard in a laptop is such a feature

[full fossil]

I want to see the creating a nuke meme finally become real lol

[smoky stump]

Could always use it for a gaming rig... its got pretty much all the specs you need for the exception of the GPU.... of which you can get an external 😉

[tiny saffron]

Out of date laptop hardware is such an e waste

[marsh jungle]

I might have to go only framework because due to my current circumstances, the laptop is the biggest computer I could have

[full fossil]

It already told me how to obtain uranium hexafloride and the general process of how things should function

All I need now is it to give me a complete how too

[fluid ridge]

how much would you guys sell an 11th gen i5 laptop for

im thinking 150usd

[tiny saffron]

Beats me

[full fossil]

WTF

[tardy terrace]

$150 lmao

[full fossil]

What laptop do you have lol

[marsh jungle]

sell that to me

[fluid ridge]

an 11th gen i5 piece of absolute garbage

[marsh jungle]

is it a G7

[fluid ridge]

inspiron 15 5510

[tiny saffron]

How much when you got it?

[marsh jungle]

11300H?

[fluid ridge]

I think I paid 800 for it

[tiny saffron]

Think you can go about half

[fluid ridge]

i forgot to mention it's plastered in anime stickers

[tiny saffron]

Just the touchpad not working?

[fluid ridge]

maybe i should just throw it away , who wants an anime covered laptop

[tiny saffron]

Bruh don't

[marsh jungle]

Dell INSPIRON 15 5510 15 FHD I5-11300H 256GB SSD 8GB W10 Webcam Backlit Keyboard

goes for $417 on ebay

[tiny saffron]

Hell, use it as a media centre

[fluid ridge]

whoever buys this gets mad lucky then

[tiny saffron]

It's an 11th gen intel

[marsh jungle]

I'm using my old MSI GT72 gaming laptop as a NAS basically

[smoky stump]

Be a beast Retro Gaming Machine for Emulation 😉

Disclosure "Legally"

[tiny saffron]

Hey if you're PS2 gamer that laptop can run it well

I'm going yar har har

[marsh jungle]

alder lake mobile is stinking amazing

[tiny saffron]

Playing the OG re4 on laptop is a godsend

My old ps2 blew up something when I trying to plug that in

[tardy terrace]

probably something on the mains side of the power supply

[tiny saffron]

Guess so, but I ain't fixing it when I don't even have a soldering iron

[tardy terrace]

If you're lucky it'll just be a filter cap and you can
A: replace the cap yourself
B: just buy a new psu for it

[tiny saffron]

I think I'm not touching it as I'm afraid I'm gonna muck it

Thats console have sentimental value for me

[distant ridge]

Not sure what channel to ask this in, lmk if it belongs elsewhere. I'm looking at buying a used Sony Xperia 1 II XQ-AT51 smartphone, and looking at the specs it has a Snapdragon 865 5G chipset, but I read from multiple websites that Sony doesn't have 5G connectivity enabled on it at all? Is it possible to unlock 5G connectivity, with a custom ROM maybe?

[past egret]

my ps3 is now a decade old full of dust but still works like a charm (last i checked last year)

[tiny saffron]

Don't think so, need a special chip

[fallen cedar]

ye the 5G compatibility comes from the SOC, if its not on it by release it wont be

[gilded quest]

Mines 13 years old and still runs like new. The controllers are shot tho

My PS4 turns 10 this year

[distant ridge]

how do they disable it like that? when the specs say it has an SD865 5G chipset?

[tiny saffron]

Can't believe how old my childhood console is now

[polar fern]

Woop.

[fallen cedar]

bios voodoo idk

[uncut axle]

A Minecraft server leaked some more classified documents

[tardy terrace]

does the soc have the actual radio onboard? I thought that was a separate component

[polar fern]

More docs?!

[distant ridge]

I don't know.

[uncut axle]

First Ukraine war plans now pentagon’s leaks

A Minecraft server too💀💀

[past egret]

yeah so are my controllers they drift like crazy but i just use my ds4 anyway

[tiny saffron]

It's a whole shebang of technical knowledge that rando hillbily can't answer

[polar fern]

On a phone or tablet, the radio processor is a separate component.

[tiny saffron]

But may I ask how much you want the 5G?

[distant ridge]

Oh okay. So Sony's radio processor just doesn't support 5G then.

[distant ridge]

Not critical, but would be nice. I have a US Mobile SIM kit, and unless the phone supports 5G, I'm stuck on T-mobile's lousy network

[polar fern]

5G cellular is fast in areas with good signal. Otherwise it’s typically mediocre

[tiny saffron]

Mine cheapo galaxy a53 have 5g

But I never ever used it

[fallen cedar]

it all 🌈 depends 🌈

[polar fern]

Phones sold in markets with a large 5G presence will likely have a 5G radio, even if it’s slightly older

[fallen cedar]

4G+ speeds will most likely be sufficient to whatever youre doing on your phone

[distant ridge]

Oh yeah for sure

[tiny saffron]

Same opinion

[distant ridge]

I'm spending $200 though, a bit of future proofing would be nice

[tiny saffron]

Just never saw the true practicalities of it

IMO 5G will never be truely widespread due to how the infrastructure needed to implement it

[past egret]

unless youre doing data sensitive work it shouldnt really matter

[polar fern]

Yes. It needs robust backhaul

[distant ridge]

I mean we say that now, but in a few years the story may be quite different

[polar fern]

Some towers also can’t handle the weight of added transceivers so you’ll get “5G” but reduced coverage

[past egret]

maybe in a few years but highly doubt now we need 5G implementation

[tiny saffron]

Having an access point for each block sounds like massive waste of materials unless you're redesigning the whole damn city

[past egret]

usually only some businesses require 5G

[polar fern]

In my area they’ve got building mounted cell sites

Alongside the towers

Still a lot of 5G dead spots

[tiny saffron]

If you need high speed wireless Internet on site you might as well run your own wifi

[gilded quest]

Mine have returned to their petroleum state

[tardy terrace]

[polar fern]

The issue is that these companies only have a profit motive. They don’t really care about providing better service for their customers. How many laws that have been proposed to increase the robustness and availability of higher speed, landline and cellular service have been shut down because the lobby heavily against it.

[past egret]

i know that most f1 teams use 5G when possible because they only stay there for a weekend or so, which makes sense for the need of 5G

usually business that has a lot of movement use 5G

[polar fern]

It’s incredibly frustrating because you have a company asking for your money each month, only to stall on implementing newer and more efficient technologies & making a better experience for customers and also unifying the equipment for easier maintenance

[tiny saffron]

High speed wifi deployment should do the trick

[polar fern]

A lot of dollars but not a lot of sense

[tiny saffron]

Yep, we are afterall always getting the short end of the stick

[polar fern]

Pennsylvania actually paid Verizon to roll out a statewide fibre-optic network back in the late 90s, and it took them 10 entire years and it’s not even halfway towards the original buildout plan

[tiny saffron]

Bruh💀

[polar fern]

Yeah, literally 20 years ago

[tiny saffron]

Dude that made me proud of my country

[polar fern]

Verizon ended up selling off those uncompleted areas to companies with out enough money to actually complete the fibre rollout

No fines or other consequences just they took the state’s money and that was that

[past egret]

well when youre on a car at 300+km/h that goes around a track at avg of 3.5 km its hard to catch the wifi

[tardy terrace]

You would be surprised on how fast radio waves go

[past egret]

and also a lot of telecoms sponsor f1 anyway

[tiny saffron]

Bruh i thought about the off track personal uses

[past egret]

that was more of an expression, i know radiowaves go faster than that

[tiny saffron]

Ehh they have the money, might as well

[polar fern]

Radio waves travel like 90%, the speed of light in the atmosphere.

[past egret]

that also of course

its a multi billion dollar sport, they have the most exquisite tech to support them

[tiny saffron]

They needed the 5G to live capture the Ferrari team's incompetence

[polar fern]

usually racing vehicles have dedicated telemetry equipment that isnt related to what you and I would use for cellular connectivity

[past egret]

the 5G is damaging their reputation

[tiny saffron]

[polar fern]

Imagine broadcasting in real time, a racing vehicles performance data for all of the other teams to just take a look at 😬

[tiny saffron]

I'm thinking how much data can a team of f1 needed to transfer

The temps, rpm, and the cams

[polar fern]

you have steering position sensors you have crank sensors you have rpm sensors you have probably about 50 different temperature sensors you have suspension sensors and you have all different sensors for tyre pressure intake air pressure mixture all of that stuff.

Basically anything that can be monitored by computer is broadcast back to the pit for them to analyse

[past egret]

they send the data from track back to whereever their hq is which requires a great connection speed at low latency, which sounds like a job for 5G tbh

[polar fern]

No, they send it from an antenna on the car to a recording device in the pit

[past egret]

its not the telemetry on the cars that require 5G, its the data sent back to HQ

[polar fern]

And if they need to look at it at their engineering headquarters, they can then transmit that via satellite

[past egret]

not fast enough

[tiny saffron]

Is that something that the engineers look at so they can improve the car?

[past egret]

its a live data feed, idk if its 5G but i highly doubt its satellite as well

[polar fern]

The data they view remotely is not being acted on real time it is just being monitored and recorded for reference. It’s only the people who are in the pit trackside who are making adjustments as needed.

[tiny saffron]

Is it maybe for the broadcasting?

[past egret]

https://youtu.be/g3ktWeco5qs

[tiny saffron]

Like for the audience?

[past egret]

it is acted on real time

they pretty much have a NASA mission control room on track and on HQ for real time management

[tiny saffron]

Gotcha there

[past egret]

https://youtu.be/E-Z4gVG19dI

[polar fern]

Yeah that whole area is at the track

[past egret]

citrix is red bulls sponsor for connections

[tiny saffron]

So you're telling me I can sabotage in someway using a VPN to increase the latency?

[polar fern]

Unless there is some serious problem, the people viewing it remotely are not involved in trackside decisions

[past egret]

yes they literally are

[polar fern]

Uh ok.

[past egret]

they are literally watching every tick of the telemetry to make decisions

[polar fern]

Uh huh

[past egret]

so i win?

[polar fern]

The latency alone would make anything like that pretty pointless

[past egret]

thats why they need the fast connection which has been the whole point of the conversation

[tiny saffron]

Yes you win ,you get free Bonzi Buddy download link

[polar fern]

There is no wireless connection that can transmit that quickly that much data over a long distance with low latency

The technology doesn’t exist

[tiny saffron]

Jokes aside, I still see no purpose of 5G to the mass market

[tiny saffron]

I think dude's saying that the 5G connection will be needed only around the track

[polar fern]

In the age of pandemic and remote work and school, I see a very important role for high-speed cellular data and good landline connections for fixed Wi-Fi. The real issue is that companies are being stingy about upgrading the backhaul to towers that may already have the newer equipment installed.

[tiny saffron]

IMO all cellular connections will barely need the super high speed connection. Most work you'll need that is in your own house

[polar fern]

Instead of paying millions of dollars for sports team sponsorships and the like they should be focusing on their infrastructure, physical plant and training their technicians to the latest standards

I disagree, because if you leave your house that high speed goes away

[tiny saffron]

That's the question, why you will need the 5G speed when you leave your home?

The most bandwidth demanding task AFAIK is just youtube

[polar fern]

I mean, you do realise that most providers are only giving consumers access to around one gigabit, so it’s not even the full capability in the ideal setting

[timid meadow]

I had 5g for a bit then switched carriers and lost it. The difference is noticeable. With how connected our phones are damn near everything is smoother. Also needed for data transfer between my phone and server

[tiny saffron]

Ayy that's one example I can see

[past egret]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/12/sports/autoracing/formula-one-mission-control.html another article on how engineers work on data rhat come through

[polar fern]

There are many creators and people who do work on the road and so on that absolutely need higher data speeds because software updates and video files and so on and so forth take up a lot of room in a pipeline. And if the pipeline is not wide enough, it’s going to bog down and cause loss of productivity.

[tiny saffron]

But it feels like that would not work outside of a dense highrise city

[polar fern]

Tall buildings actually block cell signals

[tiny saffron]

Yeah 5G signal can be blocked by a piece of paper

[polar fern]

Low e glass and steel framing and rebar and concrete are very good at attenuating cellular data signals.

[tiny saffron]

Sorry, but that means?

[polar fern]

In places like Newark and Jersey City and Hoboken and other areas without a very tall skyline often have very visible building mounted cell sites pointed down the street from the side of the building at the end of the street.

I think everyone should have access to least 500 mb symmetrical Internet. Any excuses that you’ll hear are all based on how much profit a company can make versus actual real world performance of these high speed technologies and equipment

[tiny saffron]

Sounds like the signal's gone when you walk into a building

[polar fern]

No, because then there is another south side of the building from another angle

I cannot believe how terrible speech to text is with iOS 16

It was way better with iOS 15 I’m going to have to make a call to Apple about this it’s becoming unbearable

Put punctuation where there shouldn’t be any make up all senses or by its self that I never said

And it doesn’t actually interpret what I’m saying correctly as you’ve just saw in the chat entry above

They said it was supposed to be better with iOS 16, but clearly better as a matter of subjective opinion

[full fossil]

What are you people talking about OwO

[polar fern]

I have no clue.

[full fossil]

Continue xP

[polar fern]

It was pretty interesting seeing the group of proud boys in here earlier. They got mad at some rainbows.

[full fossil]

What the hell OwO

[glad mist]

Also would be nice to get more than 7 mbps down

[distant ridge]

Oh like I said I absolutely do not
Just a nice futureproofing

[polar fern]

then one of them brought one of their friends in here to talk about some shit relating to mars & air pressure

[glad mist]

What about when 5G is faster than your home internet…

[polar fern]

@glad mist honestly 50 megabit down on cellular should be the floor.

I have literally gotten over 200 Mb per second on my iPhone 8 several years ago.

[glad mist]

I get 7 mbps on my home wifi, when I’m lucky

[polar fern]

The technology is there they can do it they just don’t wanna pay for the necessary backhaul and other equipment upgrades

I will lend you some megabit per second

[glad mist]

I’m stuck on CenturyLink DSL with no alternative

Not even T-Mobile or Verizon 5G home internet here

Apartment complex signed a contract with CenturyLink making them the sole service provider

So there’s no competition so CenturyLink has no pressure for either speed or price

We have to pay them no matter what and it’s awful

[polar fern]

F

[glad mist]

We should nationalize internet utilities

[polar fern]

DSL is really mature at this point, so service should be pretty solid. However, fibre-optic to the node should be the norm in most areas by now, even if it’s not to the building or premises.

Yes, but we don’t want the mods or warship to get angry at us

[glad mist]

I don’t know what goes to the distribution system to my building but it’s probably fiber since I get relatively low latency, it’s just that it gets split between hundreds of units so it’s a piece of crap

[polar fern]

The provisioning here is 100 mbps.. limited to that because the cable between the ONT & gateway router is coaxial, which needs to be replaced with ethernet

Yeah, landlords can really suck when it comes to that kind of stuff

Mhm most likely what they’re avoiding is rewiring the whole property for the newer service which may cost a couple hundred bucks per unit

[glad mist]

I’d post a screenshot if I had perms but I just got 4.91 down and 0.58 up on the same test

[tiny saffron]

That's like a rare case

[polar fern]

It’s really stupid because all they have to do is adjust the utility fee for a couple of months to offset it if they wanna do it that way or if they’re not greedy, they can just eat the cost and have happier tenants

[tiny saffron]

Sorry was doing something

[glad mist]

See above, renting sucks

[polar fern]

.5 up?! In 2023?!

[low rain]

Anything is possible, my dad js fixed my necklace with pliers.

[glad mist]

Correct, it’s crappy ADSL running PPPOE

[tiny saffron]

Is the fibre ISP sucks in your area?

[glad mist]

My internet comes in on the same kind of wiring they use for phone lines

[low rain]

#off-topic js send the pic there

[tiny saffron]

Oof

[glad mist]

Who said anything about fiber? There’s no fiber ISP at my apartment complex

[polar fern]

My one ex-girlfriend’s dad was a multi building apartment superintendent and my dad used to work for multiple different rental properties and it’s all the same it’s all about money. If they can save $5 a month on something else way, crappier, they will do that.

[tiny saffron]

That sucks hard, was in the situation before

[glad mist]

I’m seriously considering moving out from my moms place just to get better internet

I can barely play games with my friends

[polar fern]

It is sadly and shockingly rare in North America to find property management and landlords and such to actually give a damn about the tenants.

[glad mist]

My dad’s probably the only one in Colorado that even feigns caring

[tiny saffron]

Some area around me that's like more less dense still have the copper wires too

[polar fern]

@full fossil nice.

[tiny saffron]

But i think the case where homeline is slower than cellular only happens with 4g

[glad mist]

I live in a suburban hellscape of a town, very close to the business district enough that multi family zoning exists for my apartment complex but far enough to not get internet

[tiny saffron]

Cause to deploy 5g is another beast than just cell towers

[polar fern]

One sec let me speed test cellular

Ouch, I hope you get it figured out

[glad mist]

We have 5G here

[tiny saffron]

Bruh💀

[glad mist]

I just tested 166.2 down and 10 up on my 5G

[tiny saffron]

I fucking wish I have that too but it only happens in the top 10 cities here

[glad mist]

Lemme check if T-Mobile offers 5G home internet here yet holy hell

It was also only 47ms latency which is faster than my Wi-Fi

[polar fern]

Cellular “5G+”

Cell service here -redacted-

[tiny saffron]

Mine ISP will throttle my homeline speed when you don't notice

[tiny saffron]

Around the same speed with me

[polar fern]

I deleted all of the Speedtest screenshots to free up iCloud space back when I had a lower tier storage plan, but in general, the idea here is the most cellular service is terrible and it does not have to be

[nimble junco]

Are there any decent Iem’s for under 100 dollars

[polar fern]

Lunar excursion modules?

[arctic pollen]

Dunu something's

[nimble junco]

In ear monitors

[polar fern]

Ohh

I would probably say no

[nimble junco]

Found these from moondrop for 80

I also saw some from shure but idk what to get

[arctic pollen]

DUNU Titan S in-Ear Monitors,11mm... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09P8K43SW?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

[tiny saffron]

Moondrop, Fiio

[low rain]

What the fuck is that?

[tiny saffron]

IMO both these have better track record

[low rain]

I kinda js hate how it looks 💀

[tardy terrace]

Man, now I'm gonna start looking at good replacement options for my very well aged razer kraken 7.1's

[tiny saffron]

If you want dirt cheap but decent you can always go KZN