public-chat

[peak phoenix]

Everyone not using Linux has animosity to it

ffs there's a "no more linux spam" reddit or something like that

[cosmic ore]

I have used Linux for like 8ish years now and have only grown to dislike it more as time goes on

[red marten]

lmfao yeah it is pretty dumb. like im fine with people being critical of it but it's always funny getting randos in the #linux channel just being like "linux sucks"

like yeah we know :gigachad:

[broken ingot]

is tech chat only for pcs or keyboards too

[dreamy rose]

boooo

[dreamy rose]

tech chat is for tech

[red marten]

eh fair I mean it's not for everyone

[peak phoenix]

for me, it's gotten better. Part of that is AMD > NV gpu I guess

[red marten]

yeah I ran into way less problems on Linux once I went team red. if you use Intel integrated graphics you should be sweet too

[cosmic hemlock]

Im going on a flight now hope it doesnt crash

[broken ingot]

including keyboards?

[dreamy rose]

yeah well Nvidia shouldn't be a bitch if they want to be on top in the Linux world but they dont

[dreamy rose]

is it Tech?

[broken ingot]

idk dudi

[wind pulsar]

The chances are much lower than crashing a car (or any other vehicle for that matter, literally) it'll be fine. 👍

[broken ingot]

cant u say yes or no

[dreamy rose]

i cant say.

[broken ingot]

y r u messing w me
just say it man
this 10sec cooldown is killing me

[wispy dagger]

Who is your favorite LTT staff member?

[dreamy rose]

dont whine about cooldown.

[shut violet]

The cleaner

[wind pulsar]

Tech-chat is pretty much for everything tech-related, something like #peripherals is for if you want to talk about keyboard specifically

[peak phoenix]

They've gotten A LOT better. But it's nice to not need RPMFusion for drivers, akmod and such

[broken ingot]

ty homie

[peak phoenix]

Yeah tech chat is a catch all.

And you'll learn to write longer messages than a ton of short ones. I think the cooldown doesn't affect you if you're replying to people too?

[dreamy rose]

i hate their stupid Semi Open drivers. its just, weird. so they mean to tell us they just put their BS in the bios?

[cosmic ore]

Most of my issues with Linux stem from UX (both CLI and designs of popular DEs), UNIX's relationship with files, man being anything but, crappy default tools (GNU), etc... though the cherry on top for me is the toxic community.

[peak phoenix]

Yes. A lot of code sits in the GPU's firmware.

[red marten]

I can agree with most of this (man pages could be good like they are on FreeBSD, but nobody does them right on linux)

I don't think UNIX's relationship with files is an issue though. Mac OS gets by just file. and in my experience it isn't just the linux community that is toxic :P it is a problem, but not a linux problem

[dreamy rose]

they should have just made the whole thing Open Source like AMD. again its what the people holding them at pretty much gunpoint would have wanted

[peak phoenix]

KDE UX is great for me. Gnome and its derivatives are....ass.
Man for me works great? I mean, they're stupid long....
Arch forum is toxic, but go on the openSUSE discord or Fedora and it's fine. The Arch discord is fine - they'll help people on any distro.

[wispy dagger]

Is there a way to get a DVD player in the hyte 60 case

Really random question

[dreamy rose]

KDE is literally the best Desktop experience you can get.

[red marten]

try out some man pages on the BSDs and you'll see why Linux's ones are terrible

[shut violet]

PlayStation 1 is better than all them

[peak phoenix]

I'll have to

[peak phoenix]

KWIN needs some help I think, though 5.27.3 seems to have fixed a bunch of my issues.

[dreamy rose]

ok but that doesnt determine how good Linux is. you got any other reasons?

[cosmic ore]

In my experience, it is without fail faster to use Google to get help on a Linux command than the man pages

[red marten]

I'm not saying Linux is bad. just conceding to @cosmic ore some things are not perfect

[peak phoenix]

Powershell's "man" pages for cmdlets and such are pretty good IMO

But I might be biased about one or two of them...😜

[cosmic ore]

I generally am a fan of Powershell

[red marten]

idk I usually just man <whatever> and then use / to search, it ends up being pretty quick

[cosmic ore]

Especially with how it treats its output as queryable objects rather than just text

[peak phoenix]

Yeah, Powershell is basically just C#.

The cmdlets MS ships are mostly written in C++ behind the scenes.

[fossil frost]

no, it is its own language... that happens to have IL bindings, the same as C#

[red marten]

yeah powershell is pretty far off C#.

[peak phoenix]

Yes. For simplicity sake, I generally just say it's C#. But it's IL

[shut violet]

Computer systems.

[red marten]

I used powershell on linux briefly, it was okay, didn't see much reason to use it though

[fossil frost]

for simplicity sake, the space shuttle is a car, because it has an engine and wheels...

[peak phoenix]

I mean I can get into its inner workings I guess...

but that doesn't seem appropriate for here

[still yacht]

Hello, I have to macbook air m2, How much i can puting in market?

[fossil frost]

deep diving into tech, is inappropriate for a tech server, full of tech people?

[peak phoenix]

Can you rephrase? Are you asking how much it's worth?

[still yacht]

Yes

Sorry my english is bad

[plush rivet]

all good

[fossil frost]

its worth whatever you want for it, and whatever someone is willing to pay for it... personally, i think its worth fuck all, because i have no interest in one, but other people will have a different opinion

[dreamy rose]

its absolutely worth Zero

[peak phoenix]

in the public chat channel, not really? Most people here do not likely know what IL is and Discord is a terrible medium to teach using. Plus, I try to actually avoid specifics since I know the source

[fossil frost]

over simplification is worse than saying nothing, because it then effectively becomes misinformation

[still yacht]

This computer that i using for xcode project not enought ram. i hope i could explain

[plush rivet]

it doesnt matter you can discuss it here

[peak phoenix]

Depends on the CPU, SSD size, RAM and such. It's an M2 so it's pretty new so close to MSRP I'd guess depending on scratches and all

[dreamy rose]

dont go breaking any NDAs for a Discord chat. its not War Thunder

[still yacht]

I'm thinking of selling this and buying a macbook pro m2 14 inch

[red marten]

lol powershell is open source

[peak phoenix]

lol no. I generally never talk about what I wrote code for.

[cinder shale]

Any reason the recent Wan show is not on FP?

[peak phoenix]

The cmdlets and such in it are not.

[dreamy rose]

nah don't bother, buy TUF A16 Advantage instead.

[fossil frost]

many are, a specific few are not

[peak phoenix]

If they need xcode they need a mac

[still yacht]

I'm an ios developer and I can only write on mac.

[peak phoenix]

Every cmdlet I worked on was closed source.

[patent fog]

It is always delayed on FP. Try waiting till Monday when everyone gets back into the office

[dreamy rose]

welp, Sucks to use an iPhone.

[wind pulsar]

You're likely better off with an M1, truthfully

[red marten]

they're not all i don't think

[still yacht]

Personally, I write not only on the iOS side, but also on flutter.

[peak phoenix]

Again, the OS specific ones that I know of are all closed source.

[red marten]

well yeah os specific ones might be

[edgy moss]

Let’s say for some reason, you needed to make your cpu cooler higher up. Could soldering a piece of copper beneath it (maybe half an inch thick) cause it to overheat?

[peak phoenix]

In no small part because they work with specific knowledge of the inner workings of Windows components

[still yacht]

My ram is 8gb and it's not enough for me, also it gets very hot. I want to buy a better one, but it's too expensive.

[peak phoenix]

private APIs and such

[fossil frost]

that doesnt mean "all powershell cmdlets are closed source", because thats entirely false... technically... all powershell cmdlets are open source... the PLUGINS created for powershell by others, that add new cmdlets, CAN be closed source, but can also be open source...

[wind pulsar]

Considering how thermal transfer would take longer? Yes, absolutely

[wind pulsar]

If those are too expensive, then the M2 Minis are pretty much the only solution for you

And you'd have to kit it out more as well since the base model also only has 8GB

[dreamy rose]

who gave you that idea?

[still yacht]

Maybe, i can buy gaming computer for fun

[red marten]

I've thought about writing something like PowerShell that's less clunky. I've wanted something that lets me orchestrate programs, dynamic libraries, and other generic stuff all in one, in a way Linux shells aren't good at rn. I could use powershell on linux but not a huge fan of it's design

[edgy moss]

Asking for a friend (I am modding an optiplex)

[peak phoenix]

Let me rephrase: The majority of MIcrosoft's first party cmdlets are closed source. I'm speaking as someone who worked on Windows - there are absolutely third party cmdlets that are open source.

[edgy moss]

I’ll try to make a diagram

[still yacht]

I go to office, if i buy mac mini, I must to carry monitor

[fossil frost]

its pretty odd that the source for many of the first party MS cmdlets are on github then

[dreamy rose]

TUF A16 is probably the best overall gaming laptop you can find rn. 12 hrs of battery life, Better GPU than the laptop 3070 and its like 500AUD less than a laptop with the 3070 and the same CPU

[still yacht]

Thanks I will think

[wind pulsar]

Then save up

[peak phoenix]

Well, news to me then. I left in 2021 so maybe they open sourced it. But that'd mean documenting internal only APIs in components.

[still yacht]

I want to ask you something, I am improving my english, how do you think I wrote this?

[dreamy rose]

after you fixed it, its perfect.

[still yacht]

I forget to write

[fossil frost]

wtf, writing japanese is bannable...

[dreamy rose]

we all forget things sometimes

[still yacht]

Yes where are you from?

[dreamy rose]

figured that one out the hard way did you?

[fossil frost]

Usando inteligencia artificial, de la misma manera en que hice esto

[dreamy rose]

Australia

[still yacht]

While researching in English, I came across a post, I was super funny. Now, someone who is learning English says "How are you from" to his teacher, and the English teacher is staring at the student.

[still yacht]

I am turkish

[peak phoenix]

"how well do you think I wrote this" might be better? You're asking if we think you wrote it well.

"how do you think I wrote this" is a question of whether I think you used google translate or something.

[dreamy rose]

nice

[fossil frost]

Bu işlemi yaptığım gibi yapay zeka kullanarak

[still yacht]

I will not use artificial intelligence when I go abroad to work.

It's not good to be lazy.

[fossil frost]

Ancak bir AI kullanmak şu anda birçok yerde kabul edilebilir olsa da, çalışmayı planladığınız yere bağlı olarak, kullandığım gibi AI'lar yasadışı hale geliyor

[still yacht]

I don't using translate

[peak phoenix]

Sure - just suggesting a different wording that's a little clearer.

[fossil frost]

how close did chatgpt get to wording those 2 messages in what somebody from turkey would actually write?

[still yacht]

But it's nice of you to make up for my mistake and say that. Thank you.

[dreamy rose]

Fedora Linux 18. that name tho.

[still yacht]

Baya iyi şekilde telaffuz etti

[edgy moss]

Good christ this is going to be really hard to explain

[fossil frost]

works quite well from turkish to english too

[still yacht]

Very nice

Is there voice chat in this group?

[ebon thicket]

hi

[still yacht]

hello, this person is my friend

he actually doesn't know english, he came with my difficulty so that he can learn english.

The group is dead

[dreamy rose]

nope. unless you buy a Floatplane Subscription

[still yacht]

hmmm I wonder how much it costs, I want to speak English so I can improve it.

[broken ingot]

Anyone knows a good 100% Keyboard not keychron or akka under 100$ im poor asf and need help

[fossil frost]

ha... its 11pm here, and somebodies car has just died outside my house, i heard them driving, then the sound of their car struggling, then it just cut out.... dead... watched them keep trying to start it, nothing at all... so just went outside, saw it was a woman on her own, told her how to bump start a car, gave her a push, and got it restarted... she drove off, oil ALL OVER the road... like a pool of oil where her car was... and a trail of oil leading off down the street.. car that looks quite new too, that engine isnt gonna last much longer than the rest of the journey shes on right now 😁

[still yacht]

three weeks ago i bought a logitech mx mechanical key they are amazingly good.

[vapid smelt]

Why not keychron also #peripherals

[broken ingot]

its looking like a vintage keyboard

i dont like it and sorry for writing here

[still yacht]

It's 1 am here

[dreamy rose]

the IBM Model M is a good keyboard how dare

[broken ingot]

noo man its ugly

[dreamy rose]

🤬

[broken ingot]

:D

[proper mica]

P

[still yacht]

I'm going to bed, beautiful people of the group, if it's daytime I wish you a good day, if not, I wish you a good night. Happy ramadan.

[dreamy rose]

absolutely zero taste

[uncut axle]

I have found the best market place item ever

A tank. No joke💀💀, a legit tank

[patent fog]

You forgot us in the morning or the evening 😦

[still yacht]

My fault

[uncut axle]

For 170k😎😎

[dreamy rose]

not suprising

[echo canopy]

Lmao

[idle nymph]

Purge

[full fossil]

What

[mint yacht]

How about we don't talk about that for the time being lol

[idle nymph]

Yes sir 🫡

[dreamy rose]

absolutely. lets scream at eachother about Windows 11 instead

[idle nymph]

Linus is good

[full fossil]

Perfect

[idle nymph]

WINDOW 11 RAAAGGHH

[dreamy rose]

BLOATWAARE! ARRRGH

[echo canopy]

Install arch Linux

[idle nymph]

SHIT LOOK RAAAAHFHFH

[idle nymph]

AVERAGE LINUX USER RAAAHHHH

[full fossil]

Ummmm actually 🤓 windows 11 is good

[dreamy rose]

UNUSABLE! AAAAAAAARTGH

[idle nymph]

NERD RAHG

[full fossil]

Use tiny 11

No bloat

[dreamy rose]

Ghost Spectre 11 works well

some ways better

[full fossil]

Lmao message got deleted

[idle nymph]

window 11 look like an kid version RAAHAGGAGA

[dreamy rose]

ppl hated the look of XP for that reason

[idle nymph]

And now i shall hâte window 11

Wait i forgot to tell RAAHG

[echo canopy]

Windows 11 does not have a horrible UI manifesto it’s just not consistent and slow as fuck

[idle nymph]

I GO TO SLEEP RAHGG

[dreamy rose]

now those people pine for XP Era windowsagain

[full fossil]

Like your mother

[idle nymph]

GOOD NIGHT RAAHH

[echo canopy]

No my mother is indeed horrible

[dry cargo]

e

[dreamy rose]

Top shelf!

[echo canopy]

a

[dry cargo]

o

[idle nymph]

spy death scream AAAHHH

Can I have an good night

[dreamy rose]

snort i feel Tres bien!

[full fossil]

Good night

?

[idle nymph]

Stblackst? Or just tf2?

[dreamy rose]

blessings of Akatosh upon ye

[idle nymph]

Good night

[dreamy rose]

night

[idle nymph]

Nuit

[full fossil]

Bruh

[dreamy rose]

so Anyways. what Windows 11 you gonna put on it?

[wind pulsar]

@plush rivet Why haven't you made poor financial decision yet huh

[full fossil]

Tiny

I just flashed it

[plush rivet]

this is why

once i finish this POS of a cert im resubbing

[full fossil]

Only problem I have to buy a activate

Code

[dreamy rose]

fair. though it doesnt update. so probably not that good for a daily driver.

[dreamy rose]

you can find working ones Free easily. wont go further than that

[full fossil]

I'm going to install it

[wind pulsar]

Sounds like a waste of time, why not get a PhD in FFXIV

[plush rivet]

because im pretty sure i cant put that on a resume.

[wind pulsar]

That's because you never tried

[dreamy rose]

thats 100% a waste of time, you're better off with a PHD in HLA

[plush rivet]

unless by some luck of a chance the hiring manager plays final fantasy

[wind pulsar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeNFk2gfivg

[plush rivet]

now i have to watch this.

wtf luigis mansion is from 2001

legit did not know that

[dreamy rose]

yea

[full fossil]

Where

[dreamy rose]

just do a Search. cant give links

[full fossil]

If you have the links can you dm me them

[plush rivet]

....

the fact that its an actual resume is so funny

[dreamy rose]

it literally is lmao

[plush rivet]

😂

[dreamy rose]

man i love it

[plush rivet]

bro the fact that the replies are actually funny makes me feel so much better

[gritty kindle]

heh wen the internet is that random cloud at the edge

[wind pulsar]

It's a pretty good video, mh

[polar fern]

Jeeze what you guise do earlier?

[verbal badger]

Anyone know why there is no wan on floatplane? 😦

[polar fern]

They had an issue. Will be up later.

[verbal badger]

damn

will have to watch the youtube one and then come back for the pre show

anyone know how long the pre show was?

[polar fern]

The pre show was hilarious madness

Not that long tho.

[verbal badger]

im gutted I missed it

Im GMT so was drunk when I went to watch it so fell asleep lol

[polar fern]

Linus also ate one of the cameras.

But that was later

[verbal badger]

im defiantly coming back to watch it then xD

thanks for the info 🙂

[polar fern]

Mhm

[full fossil]

My mum sent me this

I just can't 💀

[polar fern]

I didn’t watch the whole thing. Was having some issues.

[full fossil]

She didn't realise

[polar fern]

We eat poultry.

Run lil chick run

[verbal badger]

lmao, saw one on reddit of a mum sending eggplant emoji's and stuff and was just oblivious

[polar fern]

🍆📏

[verbal badger]

thats a long wan jesus

[polar fern]

I don’t know when I left.

Something about smash club

I hope they talked about the Tesla cam spying & the betterhelp user data breach

Why is everyone at target jfc

[summer folio]

More like, skipped

TechLinked > LAN Show

[polar fern]

Sitting here waiting to do curbside & mf keep pulling into a spot

[summer folio]

Too much Linus on WAN show
Too little Riley

Riley carries LTT

[polar fern]

The moustached marauder?

[verbal badger]

TechLinked > WAN for keeping up to date if you're busy
WAN > TechLinked for entertainment and details on headlines

imo

[polar fern]

HeadLinus

[summer folio]

5 hours of commercial

[polar fern]

WAN is good. It all good.

Quality stuff.

Very glad we have lmg.

[summer folio]

TechLinked is best
Then TechLonger
Then ChannelSuperFun

[summer folio]

Except when anybody but Riley hosts TechLinked

[summer folio]

[verbal badger]

yeah 1am for me, I go back and watch when I have time

[polar fern]

Nite

I need these people in the curbside lane to go home

Some folks don’t it all good.

[summer folio]

You can't play it at 2x speed so it's horrible you mean?

Torture!

[polar fern]

I want to know the rated wattage dissipation of this thing.

[summer folio]

Scythe & Thermalright coolers, those were the days

[vapid smelt]

The ninja is actually pretty bad at cooling sadly

[polar fern]

Rip

[fleet olive]

not sure how to feel about this image (sorry, no embeds)
https://imgur.com/ND8wZt8

[verbal badger]

yeah true, I have only managed to watch some live cos its too late lmao

[summer folio]

Ninjas was always price wörthy,
never the best

[vapid smelt]

https://youtu.be/6Kz1Juy471c

[summer folio]

except for maybe case fans at 5v

[polar fern]

My case fan is a noctua 40 mm

Oh it’s starting to slow up.

Let’s see if I can get in.

[vapid smelt]

I'm using a 40mm noctua to cool my mbo chipset since the stock one died

[fleet olive]

care to repost for the masses?

[summer folio]

https://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-10-29/89b.jpg Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme Copper Cooler

[vapid smelt]

Maximum cooling

[summer folio]

Noctuas new imprived fans is just Scythe Gentle Typhoon painted brown btw

[vapid smelt]

Noctua products are made in China

[keen sequoia]

got me jealous there

those vrms are not getting out of hand

or that's chipset?

[vapid smelt]

Chipset x570 mbo

[keen sequoia]

they dont usually get hot xd

[vapid smelt]

I had to connect the new chipset fan to the case fans since the original connector wasn't compatible

[keen sequoia]

do chipset get hot ? I thought it only gets a little warm

[vapid smelt]

If I ever learn to solder and stuff I could properly connect the fan

[amber cradle]

Can somebody explain what's up with Aprime's discord status? What does he mean by "cone"?

[vapid smelt]

They get pretty hot very few X570 boards came without chipset fans

[amber cradle]

[wispy dagger]

Not the screwdriver on the motherboard

[vapid smelt]

My mbo was laying on a cat bed, but sure the screw driver on the board is bad too

[amber cradle]

[keen sequoia]

Well then I am planning on buying a tuf Gaming ips 144hz 27inch monitor or a counterpart and when I get it I want ryzen 5800x3d cuz imo its better than ryzen 7 currently price wise because my strix 2070super is heavily bottlenecked by my old but trusty ryzen 7 1700x so imma get the beefiest am4 motherboard if i can @vapid smelt

i want little fans everywhere xf

[vapid smelt]

I just got a 40mm noctua fan, cut the housing off and super glued it on the board

[summer folio]

Once upon a time, consumers didn't get scammed when they bought mötherboards
https://www.pcstats.com/articleimages/200705/gigabytep35dq6_m1.jpg

[vapid smelt]

Then trim the plastic so it wouldn't hit the blades

[keen sequoia]

Here finding those is hard and will be over priced because they can

[vapid smelt]

My fan was $12

[keen sequoia]

I live in jordan not too advanced or connected yo US

[vapid smelt]

So much sexy copper

[stuck nova]

hi I was using custom resolution utility on my gaming laptop to lower refresh rate to 60hz for battery saving, but then when i restarted the laptop, it goes black screen after showing the logo, I booted into safe mode to remove the app, it worked now. But I am worried, do you think that my monitor is damaged in the process? like I can't see anything obvious, but I keep worry that the way the monitor works has changed. ty

[keen sequoia]

like finding American pc trademarks very rare

[vapid smelt]

Oh you border the "fun" countries....

[keen sequoia]

xd

the omba lomba zones

[wispy dagger]

Well Atleast it wasn’t lit on fire dunked in citric acid or dipped in chocolate milk

I wrote an essay about LTT for school lol anyone want to read it

Linus Tech Tips is one of the most popular technology-focused YouTube channels in the world. Founded by Linus Sebastian in 2008, the channel has become a go-to source for unbiased and informative reviews of tech products, in-depth tutorials, and entertaining content. In this essay, I will explain why I believe Linus Tech Tips is the best tech YouTube channel out there.

First and foremost, Linus Tech Tips offers unbiased and informative reviews of tech products. Unlike other channels that tend to focus on one brand or another, Linus Tech Tips provides reviews of all major brands, from Apple to AMD to Nvidia. The team at Linus Tech Tips also goes into great detail in their reviews, testing each product extensively and providing detailed feedback on everything from performance to design to usability.

Moreover, Linus Tech Tips offers in-depth tutorials that are easy to follow and understand, even for people who are not tech-savvy. The team at Linus Tech Tips takes a hands-on approach to tutorials, showing viewers how to build a PC, how to optimize their computer's performance, and much more. Whether you are a beginner or an advanced user, there is something for everyone on the Linus Tech Tips channel.

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Finally, Linus Tech Tips is more than just a YouTube channel. It is a community. The team at Linus Tech Tips engages with their viewers on social media, responds to comments and questions, and even hosts live events. This creates a sense of belonging and community among tech enthusiasts who may otherwise feel isolated.

In conclusion, Linus Tech Tips is the best tech YouTube channel out there for several reasons. From unbiased and informative reviews to in-depth tutorials to entertainment value to community engagement, the channel has something for everyone. If you are a tech enthusiast, I highly recommend checking out Linus Tech Tips.

[vapid smelt]

Also for a 5800x3d you don't need a beefy board since it is hardly able to OC due to the cache

[full fossil]

Why so long

[wispy dagger]

Because I’m smart and wanted an A

[summer folio]

YouTube Channels Internal Algorithm Ranking got released once,
& Pretty sure LTT was Top 10 something

[full fossil]

Nerd 🤓

[keen sequoia]

ohh so thats handy my current board will do nicely then thanks for this information @vapid smelt

[vapid smelt]

Np

[keen sequoia]

I hard oced my 1700x so my 2070s dont complain as much xd

[marble sky]

Hey uh is anyone able to answer my question i put in tech chat?

[keen sequoia]

we talking about 50% bottlenecked gpu

[full fossil]

No I'm too dumb

[marble sky]

Sad ty tho

[summer folio]

Just raise the sharpening of edges

[keen sequoia]

[vapid smelt]

First gen Ryzen was great for multi core just not single core 😢

[keen sequoia]

look tech chat i share cb score after oc

[summer folio]

or maybe "downscaling" resolution is what the cool kids on the blocc is all about now?

[echo canopy]

Unless you needed AVX2

[keen sequoia]

the gpu is the strong factor here @summer folio

[summer folio]

But it was bottlenecked you say?

[keen sequoia]

cpu weak

[summer folio]

So, do some unnecessary high graphics fidelity options?

[keen sequoia]

most games run at ultra

[summer folio]

I prefere very low,
less "messy" graphics
more clean

[keen sequoia]

but frame drops due to cpu being silly willy

[summer folio]

BF1942 looks perfect to me
Every newer shooter game just looks worse & worse

Quake III Arena for non-vehicles

[dreamy rose]

HL2 was the peak

[tardy terrace]

Howdy dorks

[rigid moon]

hey can you make a ice mousepad if you spill and freeze water on the mousepad?

[wind pulsar]

Yes, but that wouldn't be a good mousepad, lol

Assuming the ice wouldn't melt, it'd be a very rough surface, the reason it'd be smooth whatsoever is because of the water when it melts

[rigid moon]

weeeeeeeeee

[wind pulsar]

Get a glass mousepad ig

[rigid moon]

yes

[rigid moon]

razer good

[wind pulsar]

Generally no

[rigid moon]

atleast better than logitech

[wind pulsar]

That's also wrong, lol

[tardy terrace]

An ice mousepad would be insanely hard, and your mouse would not last at all

[rigid moon]

razer mouse best

razer headphone shit

[golden talon]

is fluffy ice a thing

[rigid moon]

ye

[golden talon]

ayo

[wind pulsar]

That's literally what soft ice cream is

[golden talon]

but you can’t use ice cream as a mousepad

[wind pulsar]

Neither can you ice

[golden talon]

you can if it’s fluffy

[wind pulsar]

[vapid smelt]

Fluffy water?

[golden talon]

yus

[wind pulsar]

Uhuh

[golden talon]

i think with certain minerals you could do it

[wind pulsar]

You sure you didn't eat the wrong mushrooms today?

[golden talon]

no but i had 3 servings of soft ice cream

i think i’m turning fluffy

[fossil dirge]

I just can't believe the Barnacules Nerdgasm Discord server

They still think that Dell and Framework are better than Apple

[vapid smelt]

Apple m2 very stronk

[fossil dirge]

Yup

[hollow shadow]

hello

[echo canopy]

Apple mX runs on a superior node and is power/boost limited

It’s not that far off mobile ryzen and high core count can beat the one in the MacBook Air

It’s really not THAT impressive, just good vertical integration by apple

[dreamy rose]

TUF A16 battery life lasting 12 hours is something else. almost like one company can really optimize their CPUs and GPUs when they are together.

[echo canopy]

It’s almost like power limits do something

[dreamy rose]

Intel/Nvidia combo wouldn't even come close anyway.

even with power limits.

[still yacht]

Apple silicon chip is best cpu

[echo canopy]

You could beat it if it has outright better hardware in it

[echo canopy]

It’s not and I’m tired of pretending it is

[fossil dirge]

I agree

Apple Silicon are great CPUs

Apple makes great products

[echo canopy]

It’s not the end all be all tho

[still yacht]

I am working on Swift project

[echo canopy]

Okay and?

[fossil dirge]

Honestly I rather get a Mac over a Dell

[dreamy rose]

its 500 AUD cheaper than a laptop with a 6800H (Same CPU) and a 3070 (Slower GPU) and it manages 12hrs of Battery. Radeon isnt shit so this is one to pick up.

[dreamy rose]

i'd take a PC over a piece of shit any day, Dell or not

[echo canopy]

But can you play fortnight on it?

[fossil dirge]

I have a PC

[dreamy rose]

absolutely. it'll play anything

[still yacht]

Therefore I think Best cpu is apple silicon because I run to hardly project on the Xcode.

[fossil dirge]

I want a Mac because they're very good computers and that I'm on the Apple ecosystem

[dreamy rose]

that makes you lame

[echo canopy]

Wow you can actually play Fortnite on it

[still yacht]

apple ecosystem crashed me in game

I was driving a truck and a phone call came in, the game went into the background and crashed into the wall at 100 km/h.

[vapid smelt]

What is a Mac a desktop or laptop

[fossil dirge]

😒

[south lava]

U w U

[jagged compass]

looks like there's another way scammers are taking over youtube accounts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e78tcZGO8lk

[fossil dirge]

A Mac is a desktop and laptop

[vapid smelt]

[fossil dirge]

There's the iMac, Mac Mini, Mac Pro, and Mac Studio

[echo canopy]

A mac is anything by apple that runs Mac OS

[south lava]

https://tenor.com/view/oof-spaz-excited-happy-gif-13512312

[fossil dirge]

Also the Mac Pro

[fossil dirge]

WTF were you doing

[dreamy rose]

using it

[fossil dirge]

The Mac is a great computer

[still yacht]

I was driving a truck and a phone call came in, the game went into the background and crashed into the wall at 100 km/h.

[fossil dirge]

Did the phone distracted you from driving?

[still yacht]

this happened in euro truck simulator

[fossil dirge]

Your point is invalid

[dreamy rose]

thats the IQ of the average apple fan

[fossil dirge]

Also why are you gaming on a phone

Why not use a Steam Deck or Nintendo Switch

[still yacht]

ok bro you are the smartest

[fossil dirge]

🤦

[dreamy rose]

when you realise hes talking about gaming on a Mac:

[fossil dirge]

Oh

Makes sense since you can play some games on a Mac

But when I get a Mac I'm not going to use it for gaming

[summer folio]

To @Americans in chat:
Does Bud Light have Aspartam or Sucralose as sweetener in it? 🍻

[manic torrent]

So an iPad pro isn't a Mac.

[echo canopy]

A iPad uses iPad os

[dreamy rose]

tell that to apple. they'll go crazy

[manic torrent]

iPad OS hey

[fossil dirge]

Well Dell makes shit computers

[fluid ridge]

i mean im pretty sure apple could make an ipad pro run macos if they chose to

[dreamy rose]

Better than Macs for sure

[fluid ridge]

in fact it wouldnt surprise me if some engineers at apple were fucking around and actually did it

[manic torrent]

Oh no! My dell laptop! I didn't realise it was shit!

[fossil dirge]

You got to be fucking kidding me

[fluid ridge]

no shot you just said this

unfathomable

[golden talon]

Dell makes garbage laptops lmao

[fossil dirge]

I agree

[dreamy rose]

at least Dell makes PCs

[golden talon]

the alienware is the only passable example of a gaming laptop

[manic torrent]

This is the point though. The iPad pro is .... A thing.

[fluid ridge]

not everyone wants a PC

[summer folio]

What about Bell?
Packard Bell

[manic torrent]

You're the only one that said gaming

[fluid ridge]

and ipad pros are pretty epic

[golden talon]

... Because its the only segment that dell performs well in

[fluid ridge]

i wish i bought an ipad for school instead of a laptop

[dreamy rose]

thats why you buy a console or a phone

[fluid ridge]

oh well, you'll grow old on regret

[fossil dirge]

Dell is only good for business and enterprises

But consumer is meh

[manic torrent]

Dell makes an enormous range of laptops and computers. Some of which are objectively awful.

[fluid ridge]

dell makes cheap crap that they can pump out to schools at cheap prices

[summer folio]

Was there ever a Cell PC manufacturer?
Or did they jump straight from Bell to Dell?

[vapid smelt]

What about a MacBook that can fold in half into a ipad

[manic torrent]

.... Because that's your only experience.

[fluid ridge]

i personally own a Inspiron 15 5510 that's running an 11th gen i5

[golden talon]

the spectre is the only laptop that comes close but its so uncomfortable to use

[fluid ridge]

IDK man, ive used school cheapo dells and my own dell

[manic torrent]

That's my point

[dreamy rose]

Dell, Absolutely awful, but its not a Mac at least.

[fluid ridge]

my own dell had it's bezels coming apart when it wasn't even 7 months old yet

[golden talon]

dell used to make good laptops back in the day

[fluid ridge]

i googled it and apparently it's a common issue with dell

[fossil dirge]

Macs are reliable and better

[golden talon]

but modern dell cant even hold a candle to modern HP, forget macbooks LMAO

[fluid ridge]

it is what it is though, ill buy some superglue on amazon or something and stick it back on

[summer folio]

Acer Nitro 5, now thats a laptop

[fossil dirge]

Dell used to be good

[golden talon]

my 2012 XPS still works great along with my 2013 macbook pro

[vapid smelt]

My school had Lenovo and chromebooks

[fluid ridge]

my laptop before my dell was an HP and i had terrible experiences with that too

[manic torrent]

Oh, never mind, I just read your username. Anyone that would call themselves that is 100% going to have an uninformed take, because dunning Kruger.

[manic torrent]

It's almost like different laptops are different

[summer folio]

Cool, mine had HP Mini Notebook 2140

[dreamy rose]

your Apple peripherals are garbage.

[fluid ridge]

i do not have the budget nor the time to buy and use every single machine from an OEM's lineup so whatever machine I get and use is my impression of that manufacturer

[golden talon]

the magic mouse is universally garbage but i like my magic keyboard tbh

[fluid ridge]

if HP and Dell do make some good hardware, I did not get said good hardware

[fossil dirge]

So you're saying that my AirPods are garbage

[vapid smelt]

Apple makes the most useful and practical laptops

[manic torrent]

If only there was any other way to know. Or like... Not say things about an entire businesses lineup of product when you don't know.

[summer folio]

No human will ever need more than 1024x576 resolution

[fossil dirge]

They're better mice than Apple like Logitech

But I still think Apple makes great products

[golden talon]

the mouse sucks but the magic keyboard is such a fast keyboard

[manic torrent]

There's better mice than apple like sticking knitting needles in your eye

[dreamy rose]

so the Mighty mouse was good?

[summer folio]

any%

[fluid ridge]

right that is true, next time I will add a caveat that says "in my experience dell makes garbage"

[manic torrent]

<@&750150305383186585>#

[fluid ridge]

warship doing it's job fr

[golden talon]

me when the automod deletes my 5 exclamation marks but not that shit

[heady flicker]

true

[fluid ridge]

least disruptive LTT chat

who is deleting his messages

if it's a mod he should be banned, if it's warship why is it taking so long

[fossil dirge]

@full fossil Can you stop spamming

[manic torrent]

Or simply say "the laptops I had from Dell at school were garbage"

[golden talon]

the automod is probably scanning the entire message before deleting it

[fluid ridge]

ah

[vapid smelt]

Just block him ezpz

[fluid ridge]

and my own too

[golden talon]

most competent mods

[dreamy rose]

you'll still see it

[full fossil]

Cat + sustainability + good deal this ad is amazing 👏

[manic torrent]

Skill issue

[fluid ridge]

fastest responding LTT mods

[dreamy rose]

@full fossil 4 year old

[fluid ridge]

[vapid smelt]

A single line that says blocked vs a wall of text

[full fossil]

<@&750150305383186585>s

[manic torrent]

This is why reviews exist 🙂

[summer folio]

Maybe he got hacked by Elon Musk at Tesla

[full fossil]

Cat + sustainability + good deal this ad is amazing 👏

They've hit all the boxes lol

[golden talon]

Discover outstanding Apple MacBook d...

[fossil dirge]

Anyways Apple makes great products

[dreamy rose]

never new cars could have Tourette's

[summer folio]

Only 13"?
Why not 17" macbook air?

[full fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/lmfao-laughing-gif-25145562

[fossil dirge]

I don't understand why you guys don't understand

[full fossil]

Expensive

[dreamy rose]

Quite the opposite but keep riding hard

[full fossil]

[summer folio]

but it's only 4 more inches?

[golden talon]

some people cant handle the truth

[vapid smelt]

Just not peripherals

[stray apex]

seethe and cope

[fossil dirge]

I agree

[full fossil]

It's a significantly larger than just 4 inches because it scales diagonally

[fluid ridge]

the problem with most text reviews is that they are few and far between; with most things it's normally not all unequivocally bad, a lot of good reviews but a couple of 1 stars that make you question whether the thing is good or not

and video reviews from reputable sources are a little hard to come by since LTT isn't exactly doing a lab analysis of HP's Pavilion CQ191XZ-442 laptop unless it's sponsored or super remarkable

[dreamy rose]

thats what she said

[full fossil]

Sms worse than signal. Boom text review

[fluid ridge]

at this point i just buy shit off of amazon, look at the overall star rating and if it's ass I just return it because amazon is goated with returns

[summer folio]

he*

[golden talon]

been doing this with every major retailer with graphics cards

I buy a graphics card, use it for a month and return it and buy another one somewhere else

[dreamy rose]

Dont.

[echo canopy]

Apple is fine, they don’t make horrible products but it’s not the best shit in the fucking world. It’s just good, that’s it. Have a nice day

[full fossil]

In the UK amazon is very overpriced. Everything is 10-30% cheaper from local online retailers

[dreamy rose]

its Mediocre is what you were looking for

[summer folio]

Most Text Reviews nowadays are "SPONSORED BY THE MANUFACTURER OF THE PRODUCT"

🤮

[echo canopy]

Yes

[fossil dirge]

Exactly

[echo canopy]

I personally love their ecosystem on mobile but I won’t ever buy a Mac or use Mac OS myself

[fluid ridge]

the average "Hello sir, thank you for sending your product back for return - we are sorry you were not satisfied with the product however we cannot provide you this return because our testing shows that you used our battery pack in an IED device" traditional retailer fan vs the average "bro you bought this 4 years ago with no receipt and missing half the product? have the return anyways" amazon enjoyer

[golden talon]

sometimes amazon doesnt even ask for the product back

[full fossil]

Block anyone with any reference to a joe biden or Donald Trump from coming on this server. That would solve alot of headaches

[fluid ridge]

fr

[golden talon]

ive gotten countless of free amazon basics stuff this way

[fluid ridge]

amazon's shipping is insane too

[full fossil]

Just return the box and scam amazon

[summer folio]

The touchpad of the Core 2 duo White Macbook was nice, kinda annoying & weird you had to like drop & move "programs" to install it instead of just double clicking an .exe file like a normal person/OS would.

[full fossil]

Jk but it's something most people do

[fluid ridge]

for 8 dollars a month (it's 3USD for me, i have student discount), you get 1 to 2 day at most prime shipping on a lot of shit, the GREATEST customer service for ANY product or service, and oftentimes cheap if not the cheapest products

[dreamy rose]

Apple's software can go get fucked fr. MacOS is so garbage may as well be a landfill and iOS is so limited may as well be a pretentious private school.

[golden talon]

L takes fr

[fluid ridge]

• twitch benefits, prime video, prime music etc.

[stray apex]

they're totally fine for 99% of people

[full fossil]

You get more than just prime shipping lol. I believe prime includes 1tb of cloud storage too

[sinful basalt]

guys im seeing alot of chatgpt bots for whatsapp so ive got a question if anyone knows,
which ones, if any, are actually giving u access to chatgpt on whatsapp without any catches for free?

[echo canopy]

It’s not limited? You can do whatever you want, it’s just a matter of if it’s apple endorsed for most people

[full fossil]

Also prime video which is underrated

[stray apex]

amazon keeps trying to bribe me to use prime photo to backup but I can't be asseed

[dreamy rose]

only l takes i see are Apple Richard Riders.

[stray apex]

you're literally the biggest AMD fanboy I've ever seen in my life

[full fossil]

Should I buy a Macbook Pro 16" base model Y/N?

[summer folio]

Walking to a physical store takes 5 mins
prime shipping can take weeks

[stray apex]

it's like AMD saved your life and now you're sworn to defend them in all things

[dreamy rose]

N

[fluid ridge]

uh not for me lmfao

[stray apex]

for what

[echo canopy]

We don’t know your use case so our input is fucking useless.

[fluid ridge]

also i would not trust amazon with my files

[manic torrent]

oh please

[manic torrent]

why not?

[full fossil]

What the actual living fuck? You need to have the subscription and select prime shipping in the options menu when your looking for items

[manic torrent]

... because I guarantee you, amazon is already hosting your data.

[golden talon]

Id say yeah its a fantastic laptop

[fluid ridge]

IDK, im generally quite wary of big corporations and their data practices, some things are unavoidable like google or youtube but if i can i try to minimize what i do

[fluid ridge]

most definitely, AWS runs half the internet basically

[full fossil]

I basically write very fancy text files

[echo canopy]

They all share it with one another

[dreamy rose]

i like AMD because they are doing something. not like Nvidia who doesn't care and Apple actively trying to make the most money out of Mediocre bullshit.

[full fossil]

Aka programming

[echo canopy]

Get a air them lol? I assume programming

[summer folio]

Amazon does not deliver their own packages in Sweden, normal post service does. & we only deliever mail every other day now. & only grocery store workers work saturdays & Sundays, not post offices

[manic torrent]

<@&750150305383186585># it's not even amusing anymore

[summer folio]

🤨

[full fossil]

I need 16" for the extra lines of code though

[stray apex]

what are AMD doing?
Falling behind in the GPU market?
using anti-consumer practices and shit pricing the second they gain parity in CPU?

[manic torrent]

you just shitpost all day, every day.

[echo canopy]

Fair, I hate programming on a 13”

[stray apex]

god I wish radeon was competitive

please battlemage
you're our only hope

[manic torrent]

uhhhh

[full fossil]

What is Intel, Nvidia and literally every other tech company doing? The same thing.

[golden talon]

calling apple sillicon "mediocre bullshit" is funny considering how ahead apple silicon is from both AMD and intel

[manic torrent]

that's the point

[echo canopy]

It is depending on what you’re doing. AMDs BIGGEST issue rn is software support not fucking hardware

[stray apex]

nvidia shits on radeon
it's not even close

[fluid ridge]

people shit on apple for the sake of shitting on apple

[summer folio]

Triage mention his good experience of Amazon, I chipped in not all Amazon are the same.

[stray apex]

you can't even pretend like the GPU market is a duopoly or a triopoly
because it just isn't

[fluid ridge]

depends on which market

[dreamy rose]

Developer's fault. if they actually supported Radeon like they SHOULD HAVE in the forst place AMD wouldnt be behind so much

[stray apex]

AMD is barely even a consideration for normal people when they try to buy a computer

[manic torrent]

that's not true at all. Apple took advantage of their vertical integration, and it's good, but it's not omg the best ever amazing paradigm change - but I agree with your basic premise.

[fluid ridge]

the consumer GPU market AMD is doing pretty good, despite being smaller

[full fossil]

It is though? 7000 series is great value for money. The budget sector is often more important than the high end stuff.

[stray apex]

if radeon wasn't trash for years maybe they would

[echo canopy]

They aren’t really, especially when you get into professional compute tasks that can leverage mature SIMD for x86

[stray apex]

the 7000 series
is not fucking budget

[summer folio]

@timid drift this contributed nothing to the conversation, it's not even funny anymore

[stray apex]

in what world is a $900 gpu budget

[dreamy rose]

being based on ARM isnt a killer feature. get real

[fluid ridge]

to bill gates

[stray apex]

AMD is using the same shit pricing as nvidia, except AMD doesn't have the marketshare, the prestige or the featureset

[dreamy rose]

Nvidia's world

[golden talon]

In every market segment that the updated apple silicon occupies there little to no contest there. im open to counterrexamples

[echo canopy]

ISA does not matter, I wish people would get over that

[stray apex]

AMD gpus need to be like 20% less for the same raster performance as nvidia

[manic torrent]

neither is it mediocre bullshit

[full fossil]

WDYM? They haven't released their lower end sqews yet? We know that Nvdia's 4060 ain't gonna be cheap. Nvidia basically handed over the budget market to AMD at this point

[manic torrent]

I didn't say it wasn't good. but it is not "so far ahead".

[full fossil]

If AMD doesn't succeed then Intel will

[stray apex]

yeah, the 7000 series is not budget, the budget cards don't even exist

[echo canopy]

Technically the 4090 is the best bang for buck

[golden talon]

Nobody said anything about ARM, being ARM is just a cause to the effect of performance per watt and efficiency that intel and AMD have no answer for. you can blame them both for sticking with it

[full fossil]

They haven't released them yet

[stray apex]

AMD is going after the top tier market even though it makes no sense

people spending $1k on a gpu aren't the most value-minded consumers
and there's barely any of them

[golden talon]

I'd say having triple the battery life under the same workloads whilst having a smaller physical battery is definitely "far ahead"

[dreamy rose]

its not just their chips its their entire company. like is anyone aside from apples Richard Riders and reviewers REALLY gonna spend 3000 dollars on a VR Headset that's set to be Mediocre

[stray apex]

Nvidia's 60-series has consistently been the most popular gaming GPU for the past several years

[echo canopy]

Being ARM does not automatically make your cores more power efficient. That comes down to your cpu arch and nothing else.

[stray apex]

AMD should stop trying to contest Nvidia at the top end, which they just can't do right now, and try to take the lower end where the market share is

[full fossil]

Ugh, you do realise that both AMD and Nvida have staggered product launches? They release the top-end stuff first and then the rest follows after.

[stray apex]

except there's frankly no point for AMD to try and contest nvidia there

[golden talon]

If true, my point still stands. Apple silicon stands uncontested in its market segment

[dreamy rose]

that one is a fact. the 3060,2060 and 1060 are taking the top 3 spots.

[fossil dirge]

Apple Silicon are great processors

I think you guys are just hating on Apple

[manic torrent]

.... who the fuck is talking about apple VR.

[stray apex]

what benefit does AMD gain from being second place in the top tier GPU race?

[echo canopy]

They are great but not amazing

[echo canopy]

Being affordable for more people

[stray apex]

the 6600xt/6700xt are insane value, and they're the GPUs that people actually want

[fossil dirge]

Gotta love but hurt Windows and Linux users they like to bash on Apple

[stray apex]

not a fucking 7900xtx that's worse than nvidia cards but still insanely expensive

[full fossil]

The 7900 xtx has better performance to the 4080 and is $200 cheaper. Amd isn't competing with the 4090.

[echo canopy]

Im a Linux user

[manic torrent]

... it doesn't. It stands at the front, or close enough that it doesn't matter, in many segments. It is far from uncontested.

[stray apex]

then they shouldn't have called it the 7900xtx, huh?

[dreamy rose]

steam deck APU is 62nd most popular on the GPU SHS chart

[golden talon]

Except that the 4080 has better upscaling technology, much better efficiency, frame generation and motion interpolation out the box, CUDA for acceleration, better in most productivity workloads, and can actually overclock without losing performance

[fossil dirge]

You’re an exception

[golden talon]

justifies the $200 price gap in my fair opinion

[stray apex]

yes, APU is carrying radeon (and pre-ryzen AMD) on its shoulders

[full fossil]

WDYM? Amd's top of the line card is the 7900xtx so it goes at the... top...

[stray apex]

no
AMD called the top tier rdna1 card the 5700xt

because they knew that it didn't compete at the top end

[fossil dirge]

Intel and AMD are great processors

[stray apex]

if your card isn't a "9" tier card
why use that number

[golden talon]

Notice how i didnt say anything about ray tracing performance in my statement either, because theres still that

[dreamy rose]

by that logic the 4090 should be the 4080 if its not as fast as the 4090Ti

[fossil dirge]

But Apple is up ahead in their game

[stray apex]

no, the 4090 is very much an insane halo product that actually opens up new levels of performance

[echo canopy]

Bro apple almost put fucking RT cores in the iPhone 14 pro/max

[dreamy rose]

intel is behind now.

[full fossil]

We have a misunderstanding, in a product category companies will have teirs of products. This makes it easier for the consumer to understand lol

[echo canopy]

They can undercut AMD if they go oops all e cores rout but for some reason they don’t seem to?

[stray apex]

except that's not actually how the consumer components market works
"9" means the absolute best

[fossil dirge]

Apple Silicon are great processors

[dreamy rose]

nope. nvidia uses that shit to make people buy garbage

[fossil dirge]

They are beating Intel

[golden talon]

AMD also uses predatory marketing tactics theyre just as guilty as nvidia out here lol

[stray apex]

every one of the (three) component manufacturers use the 3/5/7/9 model for their tiering

[dreamy rose]

alright Richard Rider, we heard you the first time

[full fossil]

Yes and the "9" in AMD's lineup category is the 7900xtx. When deciding procuct teiring you compare your own products to your own products.

[stray apex]

AMD didn't call a CPU "9" until the 3900x because zen+ really wasn't good enough

the 6900xt was at least highly competitive in raster

[golden talon]

tbf zen+ was marketed well and that was peak AMD honesty

[full fossil]

It was a marketing thing gosh

[stray apex]

the 7900xtx is
just kind of a 4080 for AMD people?

[dreamy rose]

they cant go all E Core because they are crap cores that do not equal a P core

[fossil dirge]

Are you guys hating on Apple because of Louis Rossman?

[golden talon]

id say its more of a 4070 Ti considering how bad it is in everything else that isnt just rendering

[dreamy rose]

they need a P core to do anything performant

[stray apex]

AMD is also doing big little lol

[summer folio]

Who will be first with 12?
Ryzen 12 or Core i12?

[dreamy rose]

irrelevant

[dreamy rose]

cyrix

[echo canopy]

They are the most die space to compute efficient cores. They can just jack the FUCK out of e cores and win on that fact alone.

I assume it has to do with the power inefficiency and constraints that comes with ringbus or whatever they are using for sapphire rapids

[full fossil]

There is no such thing as "AMD people" if you had unlimited money you would go for the 4090 right? Performance wise AMD's best gpu is comparable to Nvidia's second best GPU

[stray apex]

the 7900xtx doesn't eevn show up on hardware survey lmao

[fluid ridge]

intel and amd would both be ahead if they stopped focusing on making transistors smaller and made the dies bigger instead 🧠

[fossil dirge]

Apple Silicon beats Intel and AMD

[golden talon]

ok bro we heard you man you can stop talking about it

[fossil dirge]

Alright

[golden talon]

nobody talm bout apple anymore

[dreamy rose]

AMD Can do that, Nvidia cant.

[full fossil]

Silicon is very, very expensive

[stray apex]

is it, though?
how does it compete in RT? Does it have DLSS? How does it perform in non-gaming loads? VR? How well will games support the GPU?

[fluid ridge]

you know what else is expensive? making transistors the size of nano atoms

[golden talon]

neither AMD and nvidia can control the node that theyre manufactured on, they rely on TSMC for that

intel makes their own nodes and outsources some to TSMC

[fluid ridge]

tsmc needs to start churning out fatter dies man

[echo canopy]

Transistors on the latest CPUs are still close to 40k atoms big

[dreamy rose]

imagine trying to clown on AMD because they dont have DLSS. an Nvidia biased technology locked down to 4000 series GPUs.

[golden talon]

if only it were that easy

[fluid ridge]

it was a hyperbole but you know what i mean

[stray apex]

imagine trying to defend AMD having an objectively inferior product and being forced to compete on price, except they've decided that $1000 is good price

[golden talon]

both rdna3 and ada are priced like garbage

[stray apex]

this is what it looks like when you abandon the entry level market

[golden talon]

theyre equally ass

[full fossil]

Amd's best offering is the 7900xtx they don't have a product above that. Nvidia beats them. If AMD becomes better than Nvidia, Nvidia will not rename the 5090 to the 5080. The 5090 is the top teir gpu of their future product category

[dreamy rose]

Ada being even worse.

[stray apex]

AMD used to have the rx580 and rx570 up in the hardware survey

but they simply haven't had anything good in the 50/60 range until post-covid 6600xt

[golden talon]

Radeon is just as bad lol their lack of features is a sore dissapointment to them

the 7900 XT is just objectively a terrible ass buy

[echo canopy]

Only the 4080 is to upsell you to a 4090. I think people forget just how huge the dies are and how poor the yields must be as well as the amount of copper that goes into them / inflation

[dreamy rose]

at least its not 1200 and 1600. that shits a smack to the face

[stray apex]

so is $1000

and $1600 at least gets you a gaming experience that you genuinely cannot get anywhere else

[golden talon]

Not really, because the 4080 has a solid place in its market especially when it carries a relatively small die for the amount of power it packs

[dreamy rose]

its like being smacked with a pillow in comparison.

[golden talon]

when the $1200 GPU is better than the $1000 GPU. mind blown

[echo canopy]

It has far worse price to perf them the 4090 despite the 4090 having a higher production cost ratio

[golden talon]

when the $1600 gpu is better than the 1200 and 1000$ GPU, holy shit nobody saw that coming

[stray apex]

AMD's most popular GPUs are, in order, integrated generic graphics, the rx580, the rx570, vega 8 igpu, and the rx5700xt
only after the 5700xt do we see the 6700xt
and 7000 isn't even listed on hardware survey

[echo canopy]

The 4080 is a living fucking meme

[stray apex]

AMD basically let nvidia win market share for free
it's ridiculous

what were they competing with, the 5500xt?
the 6500xt is hot garbage

[golden talon]

The 4090 was never supposed to be the price to performance competitor, its just for people with deep pockets to say they have the best in the market

The 4080 which "competes" with the 7900 XTX is a valid comparison

[wary summit]

y'all bastards

[dreamy rose]

you're looking in the wrong place

[golden talon]

the 7900 XTX is forced to be $1000 compared to the $1200 of the 4080 because of it's literal draught of features

[cerulean crane]

is there an app i can download on my phone to view my pc temps?

[echo canopy]

We’re not talking about relative performance and the target market we are talking about pricing and nothing more. The 4080 is marked up far higher then the 4090 is.

[stray apex]

I'm looking at the steam hardware survey, the most representative sample of gaming PCs publicly available

[dreamy rose]

wrong place. check the Linux only tab

[stray apex]

linux gaming is irrelevant

[golden talon]

Then i'm inclined to agree with you

[dreamy rose]

no its not.

[stray apex]

steamdeck is a console

[echo canopy]

Yes

[wary summit]

agreed

[dreamy rose]

its a Computer. its a Handheld PC

[wary summit]

amd > Intel, bc amd intergraded graphics good

[golden talon]

my phone is also a computer. its also a handheld PC

[stray apex]

oh wow such market share year of linux desktop let's go guys open source!

more people game on macos

[golden talon]

LMFAO

[full fossil]

You do realise that product development is a thing? Nvidia has more funding and better engineers. Amd has less funding and less engineers.

[wary summit]

and yet they're still better humans

[dreamy rose]

because more people own garbage than actually like PCs

[stray apex]

so?
did AMD have to flog GPUs to crypto miners while abandoning their long-term customers?

[wary summit]

and don't screw entire companies over

[stray apex]

a 6700xt for $500 during covid would've fucking killed it

people would wait overnight for that

[wary summit]

RX6000 was horrible for mining

[stray apex]

doesn't matter, still sold for significantly higher than msrp

[wary summit]

RX570 > RX6600 at mining

[dreamy rose]

you mean bots?

[full fossil]

Remember that scalpers were a thing? It was uncontrollable. Neither AMD nor Nvidia could stop scalpers entirely

[wary summit]

yea, I bought a 6600 for $500 AUD 🙄

[stray apex]

they could make it much harder if they wanted to

but why would they

[dreamy rose]

the only ones actually getting cards between 2020 and 2022 were Slimy pieces of shit.

[wary summit]

also, I'm getting ONLY 70fps on my laptop... help?

[stray apex]

anyways
AMD needs to compete at the $200-300 range

[full fossil]

Specs?

[stray apex]

not the one thousand dollar level

[full fossil]

Game?

[dreamy rose]

no need for cards if they have iGPUs

[full fossil]

Your opinions are flawed

[stray apex]

your opinions don't even consider the state of the market

[wary summit]

GTA5, RX 6700

[stray apex]

do you notice anything here
every single card here is in the 50-70 series

[full fossil]

That's pretty OK? Seems fine to me

[stray apex]

the entry level to midrange market is the vast majority of actual sales

[wary summit]

70fps on Medium is alil slow

[dreamy rose]

what about the 80s in there?

[full fossil]

Because Nvidia is more popular among system integrators

[wary summit]

I get like 70 on amd igpu

[golden talon]

cant believe the 1050 alone has a higher market volume than the entirety of the Radeon ecosystem lmao

[stray apex]

I forgot that nvidia can sell more 3080's than radeon can sell literally anything, my bad

[golden talon]

thats comical to me

[wary summit]

AMD+AMD Intergration is the best SAM is a beast

[full fossil]

Amd just makes meh cards. That's literally it. Nvidia has tens of thousands of engineers at their disposal

[dreamy rose]

it comes down to who fucked over who. and Developers fucked over AMD by only supporting Nvidia.

[golden talon]

Couldnt have put this a better way

[stray apex]

no, AMD just sucks at making cards that people want

[wary summit]

imo, Nvidia is like for beginners to the PC space like "1050" GT710, etc, once they see the perf of like a 750, they think the GT710 is like only tiny bit worse

[stray apex]

it's okay if your product isn't amazing if it's priced well

but AMD, as far as I can tell, literally doesn't give a shit about the entry level market

[golden talon]

AMD got too greedy with RDNA3 and made the same mistake as nvidia, and no nobody even in the enthusiast space wants to buy them

[wary summit]

also Nvidia is overselling RT it's fuckin not mature yet and your making it seem like a big deal

[stray apex]

how else do you explain the 5500xt and 6500xt

[wary summit]

greedy? have you seen Nvidia

[golden talon]

nvidia creams radeon in WAY more than just RT

[full fossil]

The 6700 xt is like £250 rn

[dreamy rose]

some fall for this bullshit. "I wont buy because its RT is bad"

[full fossil]

That card is amazing

[stray apex]

yes, and it's an incredible deal and also AMD's most popular gpu in two generations

[dreamy rose]

when AMDs RT is fine

[echo canopy]

They have a high price to entry but the 4090 has “decent” price to perf. The 4080 is a fucking meme tho

[golden talon]

this gotta be a joke bro please say sike rn

[wary summit]

software, AMD>Nvidia, I get free performance every few months

[wary summit]

no really AMD rt is fine

[stray apex]

every single AMD review is like "it's pretty good!" and then you get to the RT benchmarks and it's like
I'm sorry
did this come out three years ago?

[wary summit]

Not everyone has a fucking 8K 120HZ display yk

[summer folio]

Everybody knows it's only the release tech reviewers benchmarks that counts :cluesless

[golden talon]

lmaooooo

[wary summit]

do you use RT?

[full fossil]

Not free performance, they are just working on their drivers

[wary summit]

and making it better

[stray apex]

amd pain

[golden talon]

rdna3 still lacks in tons of other areas besides RT compared to ada

[wary summit]

I ran metro on an RX580

[echo canopy]

That was only really true with GCN as they had to optimize their pipeline to make game run well on a compute oriented arch. RDNA solved that. Amd finally fixed the large remaining issues with their drivers. They won’t age like fine wine like they used to

[wary summit]

Anyone seen the Monster law suits

like why not sue Pixar for Monsters Inc and monsters uni

[echo canopy]

I wish they would make the first decent fucking hardware encoders instead of just relying on speed as a selling point

[full fossil]

The funny thing is that Intel has 3% market share in the dedicated gpu market compared to AMD's 9% which when you consider that AMD has been in the dgpu market for 20+ years it really puts into perspective of how unpopular their cards are. I mean a completely new 1st generation graphics card company has already achieved 1/3 of the market share compared to AMD

[stray apex]

amd really releasing a GPU that's slower than their last gen card for the budget market

[dreamy rose]

Portal RTX doesnt count. its an Nvidia bias. nvidia made the fuckin thing

[summer folio]

= More money & leather jackets to Lisa Sue 🤢

[velvet marsh]

Cause the Mouse is too big

[stray apex]

imagine how many 6500xt AMD could sell if it wasn't shit and cost like $175

[wary summit]

[full fossil]

$175 for anything is impressive

[summer folio]

or how many GT 4010 Nvidia could sell

[wary summit]

imagine is Nvidia didn't sell GT710s

[wary summit]

Alot bc people think it's the 4000 series 🙄

[stray apex]

gt710 exists because sometimes you just need a working display out

[full fossil]

I hate being at my moms house

[golden talon]

fuck portal RTX lmao take any RTX game. Even the 4070 Ti is giving the 7900XTX a run for its money

[echo canopy]

There are Quadros for that already

[summer folio]

Not me

[stray apex]

who's buying a quadro for a cheap displayout

[wary summit]

step mom?

[echo canopy]

You can get a fuck ton of DP mini for cheap

[full fossil]

Cream Soda is one of my favorite sodas

This channel is a pot of acid and shit takes

[full fossil]

Love you too

[dreamy rose]

imagine if Nvidia sold good products and didn't make their software crap, nobody would hate them

[wary summit]

my phone's overheating

[echo canopy]

A lot of people as they sell well on Amazon.

[wary summit]

hmm, I hate them

[full fossil]

I love you more ❤️❤️❤️

[full fossil]

They sell good products, just at exorbitant prices

[golden talon]

just like amd

[dreamy rose]

you mean the 4080 12GB? you want that piece of crap?

[full fossil]

Yep

AMD is just cheaper

[stray apex]

but are they $50

[full fossil]

The 4070 is the only ok priced gpu at $559

[dreamy rose]

GT 710 for 70 dollars? that shit should be free

[full fossil]

No it isn’t

[echo canopy]

Closer to 80 but you get 5 display ports

[summer folio]

Ur saying, everybody who buys Nvidia also buys apple products?

[golden talon]

That "piece of crap" which is $200 cheaper is catching up to the 7900XTX in RT, so I wonder what that makes the 7900 XTX? An appalling pile of horseshit maybe

[stray apex]

I would take a 4080 over a 7900xtx
I won't notice the performance difference in raw raster, and Nvidia is just vastly superior in every other use case

[full fossil]

No xx70 card should be above $500 lol

[full fossil]

I meant of the 40 series

[elfin jetty]

switched my secondary pc from a fx 6300 system to an i7 4770 system with 18gb of ram

[full fossil]

Eh

[summer folio]

18

[full fossil]

Eh, the global economy is fucked and we're all poor and broke

[full fossil]

Yup

[echo canopy]

I’ve kinda fallen out of soda drinking to be honest

[dreamy rose]

nvidia is vastly superior at making your card last as little as possible.

[full fossil]

Lol

[stray apex]

gtx 1060:

[full fossil]

Planned obsolescence

[dreamy rose]

Any 8GB Card

[stray apex]

unfortunately
there are no 8gb cards more popular than the 1060

[echo canopy]

The funnest part is mores law is dead when it comes to transistor density

[full fossil]

The Intel A770 might be the best option for me because I need a shit ton of vram for because I study engineering

[summer folio]

But the 6GB version costed more in % than the fps gainz in % over 3GB.
Only a fool would buy the 6GB card.

[stray apex]

okay but
how does your engineering software run on intel

[dreamy rose]

i'm not talking about the 1060 i'm talking about literally any of their new cards that arent 70+ class

[full fossil]

Runs fine, better than I'd expect to be honest

[stray apex]

you mean

[vapid smelt]

So is more

[timid drift]

what does this have to do with me

[stray apex]

hm
are the 3060 and 3080 the only cards on that list to have more than 8gb?

[full fossil]

@late marsh

[summer folio]

It* decided to quote you automagicly, was no ping before I pressed send

[dreamy rose]

oh wait. 3070Ti has 8GB of VRAM. so it IS obsoleted for any High settings gaming now huh.

[full fossil]

Wtf did I just get sent

[stray apex]

that's not how games work lmao

[timid drift]

insane

[golden talon]

its not easter yet

[stray apex]

games are developed for the hardware that the market owns
because they want people to actually buy their games

[full fossil]

@vapid smelt gpu die size the size of an 11 month old child

[stray apex]

not get "overwhelmingly negative" on steam because the game barely runs

[full fossil]

9th of April though

[vapid smelt]

2060 it has a 12gb model

[dreamy rose]

yes it is. literally no devs are gonna be supporting 8GB VRAM cards for high textures anymore

[full fossil]

The 3060 has 12gb

6700xt is coolio

[dreamy rose]

not at above 1080P anyway

[full fossil]

I have 12gb of vram

[stray apex]

huh
is that a mining thing

[golden talon]

i have 28 gb of vram in my pc

[dreamy rose]

*8

[full fossil]

No

[stray apex]

what, because you heard it on a leaker's podcast?

[vapid smelt]

Nope was during the rtx 3000 shortage

[full fossil]

What card do you have

[stray apex]

so it was a mining thing

[golden talon]

cards (plural)

[full fossil]

There is a 12gb varient

[vapid smelt]

https://www.techspot.com/review/2390-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-12gb/

[full fossil]

Sli??? What the fuck

[dreamy rose]

Moore's law is dead is just "Some Leaker" huh?

[golden talon]

not SLI

[full fossil]

But then how?

[golden talon]

I united both nvidia and AMD in my pc

[dreamy rose]

but they want you to get the 8

[vapid smelt]

Ah I thought you meant a mining only card like no display out kinda card

[full fossil]

I need vram

[golden talon]

on the top i have the Titan Xp and on the bottom I have the RX 6800 waifu edition

[full fossil]

Lots of it, ideally 24gb or more

[stray apex]

nah, I just mean like
most of those probably went into mining

[dreamy rose]

they dont give a fuck. buy the worse version, its what they want.

[full fossil]

@vapid smelt is a penguin

[stray apex]

truly, one dev on a podcast is truly the best source for the direction of the gaming market

[full fossil]

I also need 256gb of ram because I'm studying engineering

[vapid smelt]

I wish then I wouldn't need to work

[dreamy rose]

he talked to multiple.

[stray apex]

my bad, one dev and one planned

[full fossil]

Basic ass simulation takes up 128gb of ram on my 32gb thinkpad

Most of it swap btw

[golden talon]

that sounds horrific

[dreamy rose]

yummy

[golden talon]

paged ram is so annoying

[dreamy rose]

96GB Swap

[full fossil]

I have a dynamic swap

[dreamy rose]

yeah if you like windows.

[golden talon]

good thing i dont

[full fossil]

I use linux

[echo canopy]

Dynamic swap? How did you do that?

[dreamy rose]

good people use Linux

[full fossil]

Google it

[echo canopy]

I could but I’m lazy

[full fossil]

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/134258/dynamically-growing-swap-file-on-debian#134372

[summer folio]

RAM should be used for RAM Disk Drive only

[full fossil]

I used this

[echo canopy]

I didn’t actually expect that lol, I was just memeing. Thanks

[summer folio]

& then you put the swap file on your RAM Disk Drive

[full fossil]

😂

[summer folio]

No more slow swap file

[full fossil]

You're welcome

[full fossil]

Tf is a ram disk drive? I hope you aren't using a hard drive for a swap file

[dreamy rose]

how about you get 1TB of RAM?