public-chat

[unkempt widget]

i can do 150+ in short bursts

[thorny axle]

How short

[unkempt widget]

but for some reason, i'm really bad at nitrotype

[unkempt widget]

10 words, but i bet i could keep it up for longer

[thorny axle]

Monkeytype?

[unkempt widget]

i could barely break 100 on nitrotype lmfao

[unkempt widget]

yes, monkeytype

[thorny axle]

So you’re probably what

[jolly marsh]

120wpm 💪

[thorny axle]

120 on 60s?

[jolly marsh]

Maybe

[hazy dawn]

I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is no. They didn't have expansive social media platforms when we were in school. I feel like it's a more common skill now.

[unkempt widget]

yep

[thorny axle]

Sounds reasonable

[unkempt widget]

but i think very slowly, so i couldn't type that fast without being told what to type

[dull granite]

anyone wanna start a LTT work union and demand minority rights in Linus tech discord

[mild elm]

I did typing in school

[thorny axle]

Yeah, nobody can come up with a good essay at 120wpm

[unkempt widget]

holy fucking shit i was on 122wpm on nitrotype and threw so hard and fell down to 101wpm

[hazy dawn]

Mario teaches typing or bust

[unkempt widget]

nvm i fell down to 98wpm

and someone else won, i was in such a big lead

[thorny axle]

I only really do monkeytype

And generally burst (shorter tests)

[unkempt widget]

wow

[hazy dawn]

I think it's pretty rare for anyone to think that fast long enough to belt out 3 paragraphs. That's perfectly normal

[thorny axle]

Impossible* lol

[hazy dawn]

English majors on crack?

[thorny axle]

lol

[unkempt widget]

lol the wampus got destroyed

[hazy dawn]

At least for me, I type a few sentences then pause to think for a while.

[thorny axle]

And obviously slower than 120wpm, low

[hazy dawn]

Maybe you could reach that if you're taking dictation

[thorny axle]

No chance

The only practical use is copying something over

Or maybe think of a sentence, then type it all at once

[valid siren]

Budget ones have a bit.

[hazy dawn]

Right, well that's what dictation is

[thorny axle]

Ah, sorry

[valid siren]

oh. Your first mistake was buying a B12.

B speculative. Big difference. If it's working it's fine.

[low rain]

I ❤️ monkeytype

[unkempt widget]

4090s aren't even that powerhungry lmfao

[valid siren]

Relative to what?

[low rain]

I bought an evga supernova 550 GA for 78 last summer and now it’s 110

[past egret]

typemonkey typeracer beta was wild

[unkempt widget]

relative to smth like a 3090

[past egret]

i beat glarses in a typeracer

[valid siren]

350ish watt card versus 450ish watt card.

[hazy dawn]

At least the rest of us can bend our power cables without starting a fire

[low rain]

Should I get a smart bulb?

[unkempt widget]

lol

[low rain]

I had a bunch back in like 2020

[unkempt widget]

damn you're already in the future?

[strange elk]

Aw what nytrotype got wiped. Im an OG though so like.. they at least know I existed

[low rain]

Livin in 2029

Is the JBL Tune 130NC TWS worth it?

It’s 50 bucks rn

[manic torrent]

what you mean is they are EFFECIENT. They are absolutely power hungry

[lilac sage]

they could be way more efficient

[manic torrent]

everything could.

[misty kindle]

Lick The Tits LTT

[tardy terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/kallmekris-concerned-gif-26363921

[tardy terrace]

Afternoon!

[manic torrent]

it is

[misty kindle]

why is she pale white

maybe its my monitor

[tired glade]

Because

[misty kindle]

i havent overclocked it 😎

[manic torrent]

she's.... pretty white.

[tardy terrace]

It's KallMeKris

[misty kindle]

Loner Thick Tits LTT

[tired glade]

Who's that anyway?

[misty kindle]

Me

[neon mesa]

kallmekris

shorts youtuber/tiktoker
so unless you binge watch both or either you probably don't know

[misty kindle]

[tired glade]

Comedy / Reaction, ok

[misty kindle]

ayoo what they doin

[tardy terrace]

Hi can you stop being weird

[misty kindle]

[neon mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/linus-linus-drop-linustechtips-linusdroptips-drop-gif-24524203

[low rain]

Wtf my TikTok fyp is so annoying

[autumn pollen]

Linus Drop Tips

[low rain]

I was ab to send a special someone a paragraph and I finished editing it and then a vid popped up on why I shouldn’t send it

[tired glade]

Nice,my still not existing

[full fossil]

I don’t use tik tok

I think I will continue to not use it

[shrewd bronze]

Should I buy rtx 2080 for 570 or 2080 ti for 650?

[full fossil]

I think you should save your money for something better

If you want me to be honest

[shrewd bronze]

I have too much money

[full fossil]

Save it for retirement

[shrewd bronze]

$8000 at the age of 16 tho

[full fossil]

Good ask your parents to put it in a roth ira

[shrewd bronze]

I have an rx 6600 rn tho

[tepid bolt]

well this is normalized to 90fps, newer card more efficient who knew

[full fossil]

Never to early to invest in a better life later

[tepid bolt]

like don't get me wrong the 4090 is efficient for what it is, but it's still power hungry asf

[full fossil]

Invest in a 401 k or something

[elfin jetty]

just ordered a potato sack hoodie. i can finally achieve my final form

[full fossil]

I use a 10 yo laptop and it runs just fine

[tepid bolt]

6700xt for $350 would be the best option

[full fossil]

He has a perfectly good graphics card

[shrewd bronze]

Ooh 2080 super I found for 300

[shrewd bronze]

VR tho

[full fossil]

He should invest his money into his future

[shrewd bronze]

Also need a GPU for my brother so I'm giving him mine

[tepid bolt]

what about VR lol, my old RX 580 can do VR

[dawn anchor]

oh yeah i remember, all the PSUs were on sale at half price

[full fossil]

I run quest 2 link on a amd 590

[shrewd bronze]

My brother is using a GT 1030, I'm gonna give him a 6600 and yoink the 2080 super

[dawn anchor]

i bought an A650GF in Sepember for $70 and i think it's either gone or at least $90

[neon mesa]

neither

[tepid bolt]

2080 super for $300 isn't bad but i'd pay $50 for the extra vram and slightly better performance of the 6700xt

[neon mesa]

3000 series exists
2080ti's shitty msrp inflated the used price

[shrewd bronze]

Wow rtx 2060 is $130

[tepid bolt]

8gb of vram isn't enough going forward

[full fossil]

I would rather you invest that money in your future than waste it on technology that is going to be outdated in a few years

[shrewd bronze]

My brother needs a GPU tho

[full fossil]

Does he really?

[shrewd bronze]

Yes he actually does, his 1030 can't even run geometry dash

[full fossil]

I’m using intel integrated graphics and it plays left for dead 2 just fine

[full fossil]

Did you update the drivers at least?

[tepid bolt]

what's the rest of the specs of your brother's pc

[shrewd bronze]

Yes, latest and optimised

[tepid bolt]

even phones can run geometry dash this is cap

[shrewd bronze]

16gb ram, i5 10400f

[full fossil]

Does he have a ssd or hard drive

[shrewd bronze]

Ssd of course

[full fossil]

Ain’t no way

That pc is bugging

[shrewd bronze]

I managed to nearly brick my computer by turning it off and on lmao

Corrupted the OS

[full fossil]

Run windows restore

[shrewd bronze]

This is what I get for using Ubuntu

[full fossil]

Nvm linux user

[neon mesa]

i love my 12GB 3060
enough VRAM for the forseeable future

the 4060 is DOA

[full fossil]

I use 8gb vram

Its plenty for most gaming

[tepid bolt]

and it'll still sell like fresh bread

[vapid smelt]

3060 value for gaming is poopoo

[tepid bolt]

he uses cuda

Nvidia monopoly is sad

[neon mesa]

the 6600XT will be dead before the 3060 will as the 8GB VRAM is there on the 6600XT

[peak phoenix]

AMD needs market share

[full fossil]

I probably won’t get a new gpu until mine catches on fire

[tepid bolt]

by then the 3070ti and 3070 will be dead too so does it matter

by the time the 6600xt is bad Nvidia 30 series is doodoo too

[full fossil]

We need more linus cat tips

[neon mesa]

didn't say they wont die

[full fossil]

It has been a year

[neon mesa]

i just said the 3060 will survive longer than 6600XT

[full fossil]

Please I’m begging you linus

[tender geyser]

3060 8gb

[neon mesa]

it doesn't exist (for me)

unwanted child

[tepid bolt]

either way the 6600xt's competition is the 3050 since they're around the same price

and the 3050 is an 8gb card

[full fossil]

Linus has been married for 12 years 💀💀💀💀

[neon mesa]

comparing used 6600xt price to 3050 MSRP is not exactly fair

i got my 3060 for 240 too
now it's even lower

[full fossil]

Almost 13

[tepid bolt]

they're both $250 usd msrp lol

[full fossil]

Hey linus don’t forget your anniversary

[neon mesa]

where did you get that from lmao it's 379 MSRP

[vapid smelt]

The 3050 is down to $266 now

[tender geyser]

He means their prices now

[full fossil]

@vapid smelt tell linus not to forget his anniversary

[neon mesa]

@tender geyser mhm?

[full fossil]

[vapid smelt]

$8 more for 6600xt lmao

[tepid bolt]

https://www.techpowerup.com/img/WzJaU3fQc5LcBrZp.jpg

don't have image perms but i sent link

[tepid bolt]

6650xt is cheaper than 6600xt too

[neon mesa]

notice how that said 6600 not 6600 XT

[tender geyser]

What

[neon mesa]

and that is not MSRP, that's current prices

[vapid smelt]

I added that this 6600xt was still cheaper

[tepid bolt]

ah

[neon mesa]

read fine print

[tepid bolt]

ok but if they're actually cheaper does it matter

[neon mesa]

so still it's not the MSRP

[tender geyser]

nobody cares, 6600 xt competes with 3050!

[tepid bolt]

3060 is $329 msrp can u find that

[tender geyser]

Well I shouldn’t say competing, it’s not even a fair fight

[tepid bolt]

MSRP is just paper price don't you remember 30 series

[neon mesa]

well there are new ones around that price on my area actually

[tender geyser]

You lost

[full fossil]

hi

[tepid bolt]

Brand new in box?

[neon mesa]

literally brand new

[vapid smelt]

6600xt for $275 is a steal

[neon mesa]

used prices are below 300
i got mine for 240

[tepid bolt]

well guess what 6700xt is around that price too lmao

[neon mesa]

now it got even lower you can get the 3060ti for 240

[full fossil]

[tepid bolt]

and that's also a 12gb card

[full fossil]

Is a 1tb micro sd worth it

[tender geyser]

Bro it was $220 at one point

[neon mesa]

and idk what the point is here
i'm just debunking that 6600xt is intended as a 3050 competitor

[tender geyser]

Do we need this cooldown on public chat now? The hacking crap is over now

[neon mesa]

give nitro and floatplane no slowmode

[tender geyser]

Nobody said intended

They just said they compete, which they do

[vapid smelt]

That's the 6600 non xt job

[tepid bolt]

it was intended as a 3060 competitor but now it "competes" with the 3050 since it's price went down so much

[neon mesa]

because nobody is paying 379 for the 6600XT
the market gives big middle finger to AMD pricing

if only same can be done about greedia

[tepid bolt]

cuda monopoly and marketshare bias

[tepid bolt]

people sure did that back in 2021

matter of fact it was out of stock

[neon mesa]

miners

[vapid smelt]

1% lows higher than the 3050s average

[neon mesa]

with the miners and scalpers out of the way now the 6600xt shows its true market price

[tepid bolt]

the 3050 is so bad the rx 6600 actually matches (sometimes even beats it) in raytracing

[neon mesa]

either way i rather get intel (if you need RT)

both 3050 and 6600 is dogshit at it

[tepid bolt]

Laughs in DX9/10/11 and OpenGL

[vapid smelt]

$250 a750

[tender geyser]

Is arc actually good with rt

[neon mesa]

laughs in driver updates https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-6sHUNBxVg&t=489s

[tepid bolt]

a770 is slighly better than 3070 in RT

[neon mesa]

A770 faster than 3060

intel RT perf is crazy

[tender geyser]

Wow

[vapid smelt]

It's crazy how good arc RT was

[reef hamlet]

Dudu

[neon mesa]

they beat nvidia at their own game

[reef hamlet]

I hadn’t seen the arc yet

[neon mesa]

i cannot wait for battlemage

[elfin jetty]

y e s s s I am become potato

[neon mesa]

because there isn't a viable replacement for my 3060
and i heard intel machine learning support is better than AMD

[dull granite]

fiona wanna join my work union in order to fight for minority rights in LTT Discord server

[neon mesa]

a what now

[full fossil]

What are you guys talking about

[vapid smelt]

Seems like work

[neon mesa]

intel arc

[full fossil]

[reef hamlet]

[full fossil]

I wonder if linus ever comes in here

[neon mesa]

lol

i had this for months

[reef hamlet]

Lol

[full fossil]

Linus probably still uses msn messenger

[vapid smelt]

I would be happy if they delayed or skipped mage and put all their resources drivers

[vapid smelt]

SHILL

[neon mesa]

they don't need to
they already doing a good job with updates

[dawn anchor]

ew.

[full fossil]

Almost 3 hours left on my shift at work

[neon mesa]

the wallpaper looks good

[full fossil]

Im so bored

[tepid bolt]

Driver updates can only do so much since it lacks hardware support for older APIs and has to translate them to DX12

[vapid smelt]

OSU and Roblox

[neon mesa]

does it matter if the performance is getting near identical

[tepid bolt]

Arc is actually really good on Linux though since you have to use DXVK anyway

[dull granite]

let them cook

[neon mesa]

they're fine

[tepid bolt]

Except it's not, there's some DX11 games that just plain won't run on Arc

[dull granite]

also you bought PCBS2?

[neon mesa]

yes

[tepid bolt]

Fortnite on DX11 just crashes when using Arc for example

[neon mesa]

just use dx12 mode on fort

[full fossil]

Remember people. If you are bored enough. Remember that you can install linux on a ps2

[dull granite]

damn i can see you're intel gpu (/and cpu?) user

[tepid bolt]

Team Fortress 2 has microstuttering

[neon mesa]

neither

[tepid bolt]

That's DX9 so DXVK only solution

[neon mesa]

i use AMD 22200G and 3060 12GB
but i will upgrade my cpu to intel 12th gen possibly

[dull granite]

what's the arc wallpaper for tho

[full fossil]

Noah

[neon mesa]

it just looks good

[vapid smelt]

Damn my Roblox account is 11 years old

[full fossil]

Thats half my age 💀

Sort of

[neon mesa]

why do ms rewards take so long

one is nearly 24 hours

[slate flame]

im only 3 years older than it bruh

[full fossil]

Check if you have anything expensive in your inventory

You could be a millionaire

[neon mesa]

the account "roblox" must be worth billions

since soo many things on the platform is tied to it

[manic torrent]

I sold an old hat I had for $150 AUD (for TF2)

[full fossil]

Accurate

[manic torrent]

it was the one I got from L4D, or L4D2, and apparently it was worth mucho dinero

[full fossil]

Tf2 players when they see a hat

[manic torrent]

like... for $5, I don't care, but 150? That's real money

[full fossil]

Tf2 players when they see a accessory that leaves a trail of fire rainbows and wizard beams (insert gif of man banging credit card on table)

[vapid smelt]

Only 4,000 ish Roblux worth

[full fossil]

Ok

[elfin jetty]

me in fortnite when bunny skin thicc

[dull granite]

isnt one robux 0.008$ worth?

[vapid smelt]

Idk

[elfin jetty]

or me on ltt buying underwear cause linus is dummy thicc

[dull granite]

oh vbuck js 0.008$, i think robux is still 0.01$

[neon mesa]

rate to purchase is usually valued at 1 cent per robux

however if you wanna make that robux into real money it's shit

[dull granite]

then it's 0.01$

[neon mesa]

0.0035/robux for dev exchange

sooo user buys 1k robux for 10 bucks
buys item for 1k robux
dev gets 700 robux which translates to 2.5 bucks

roblox takes 75% revenue effectively

[dull granite]

rbobux

[vapid smelt]

So 1 Roblux is 1 Russian ruble

[neon mesa]

but to be fair roblox provide everything else for free to the devs

free servers
already provided the codebase
and other benefits

[full fossil]

1 Canadian cent

Cashiers here actually get mad when you give them Canadian change

[thin fjord]

is change worthless over there

and if so then what is their money worth

[full fossil]

In the us is change useless?

Or in canada?

[low rain]

I believe my brother should get his permit taken away

[low rain]

Imo I think it’s worthless

[glossy zephyr]

hi

[low rain]

I never use cash or change I always use Apple Pay or js my actual debit card

Well not just me but my whole family does that even my friends

[full fossil]

I honestly think its just there for taxes or sum

They just needed to add value to metals somehow as well

[low rain]

But yeah I js use Apple Pay or a debit card nothing else

[full fossil]

Copper is getting so high I’m surprised no one has melted a bunch of pennies

I think the only thing holding change back is aldis

And the quarter cart

[low rain]

If you get a penny from like 1982 it’s 98% copper

Wait no 95% copper

[manic torrent]

I was there ages ago and gave all my change to the bartender as a tip. No idea how much it was.

[next dove]

Copper is the new gold
Columbus hate them

[low rain]

Alright goodnight people

Wait before I sleep actually

[manic torrent]

In Australia it's even more worthless. I don't even carry a card. 100% phone pay

[low rain]

Cop or drop JBL Tune 130NC TWS

[full fossil]

Why do you think people strip wire out of walls and steal it off of telephone poles here

[low rain]

Some places don’t let you pay with Apple Pay tho so I js have my debit card just in case

[manic torrent]

Because it's a late stage capitalist hellhole and people are fighting to survive

[manic torrent]

Yeah in Australia I can pay everywhere

[low rain]

I feel like the wire would be worth more 💀

[near nymph]

I only carry my wallet for my ID. And sometimes debit cause ATMs. Keep one credit card on me.

Today when I gone to buy a bottle of Ice Wine for a business meeting I'm having later today. The card reader refused to read my Google Pay. Had to use chip

[low rain]

Alr so cop or drop? Should I buy it or nah?

[near nymph]

Don't buy JBL

[manic torrent]

Eh, if tap isn't working, it wasn't to be.

[low rain]

This is why I also just have my debit card with me

But my go to is Apple Pay

[near nymph]

For a night of clubbing. I don't bring my debit card

[manic torrent]

Thing is in Australia, Google pay is just the same as using a bank card to tap.

[near nymph]

Only ID and a credit card lol. Fraudulent debit card charges are a bitch if I loose the physical card.

Credit card? Eh I'm set

[manic torrent]

I haven't been clubbing for decades, kek

[low rain]

What wireless earbuds should I get under $60

Or actually a lil more than 60 but what ab the Sony WF-C500

[amber cairn]

look like those got the same fit as the linkbuds S so they got a fairly good seal and light in the ears, guess the c500 just don't have NC?

[low rain]

Nah it doesn’t but this is js temporary

Goodnight now

[rose cloak]

Hi guys,
I just built a new pc, cant run cinebenchmark(bugging) and after a few minutes it keeps crashing when I play games

I wanted to check if this RAM compatible with my ASUS ROG STRIX z790

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MHz CL36 DDR5 White

i9 13900kf
Z790 Asus Rog Strix
G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MHz CL40 DDR5
4070 ti Asus Rog Strix

Any ideas would be greatly greatly appreciated!

[low rain]

Ykw tmr I’m going to the mall with my dad and I’ll js go to the Apple Store and get some new AirPods there

[full fossil]

So true

its interesting that LTT discord server is the best server i ever been to xP just the right about of moderation

I’m so tired

[thin fjord]

it's a very docile community

[full fossil]

I wanna go lay down

[thin fjord]

me too, man.

[full fossil]

But I’m stuck at work

[thin fjord]

happens

external forces are the only thing keeping me going

[full fossil]

[full fossil]

idk what docile means xD but i hate those servers where they make literally anyone a mod, and then u have to fight about every little message cuz they think their job is to mute/ban/kick as many people as they can xD

[wind pulsar]

Because compared to stripped wires, pennies aren't worth shit

Like 3% is copper, the rest is Zinc or other metals

[full fossil]

I know

I’m just joking about it because its a highly illegal thing that you absolutely should not do

Destroying currency for profit is a melony

[wind pulsar]

I know, but since when's that stopped people from doing it

[full fossil]

Never

People throw away change

Literally 62 million dollars in change is thrown away each year

[manic torrent]

Yeah and you guys don't even have Australian 50c coins. The most cursed of any coin.

[full fossil]

We have half dollars and dollars

They are pretty cursed

What is the thing you call dollary doos

[unkempt widget]

didn't the penny get discontinued in canada because it's worth is higher than a cent?

[full fossil]

Idk

Idk anything about curencys

I only know about credit and inflation

[dull granite]

penny?

[manic torrent]

Our 50c coins are 32mm in diameter

[dull granite]

penne is a type of makaron

[full fossil]

Same

[full fossil]

you're a makaron

31 mm

[dull granite]

i dunno what is the thing called in English

like spaghetti but not the sauce

[full fossil]

youre making me hungry :V

[dull granite]

also awoofy want to join a radical movement

[full fossil]

sure, why the hell not xD

who are we killing?

i have a torch already, so im ready

I wonder if linus will release a tech tip book

[full fossil]

what would u possibly write in it xD

Tech tips

"how to apply thermal paste"

Yeah with pictures

[full fossil]

ye, too bad every motherboard manual comes with pictures and instructions how to do that xD

Determining on how to get a budget pc

[full fossil]

"buy cheap, use ebay"

Linus cat tip chapter

the whole chapter would be just a picture of a cat :V

Pictures of his cats

I would pay good money

[full fossil]

your parents need to stop giving u money OwO

I have a job

OwO

And my mom is 💀

[full fossil]

🫂

Bruh moment

I saw a short on the novec 7000 stuff or whatever

[manic torrent]

Step 1 get more money

[full fossil]

Apparently my company uses that stuff for the server room if it catches on fire

Apparently libraries use it as well

[manic torrent]

Yep. Good at extinguishing fires. And people.

[full fossil]

I wonder what internet speeds my company has

Would be pretty cool if they had like 10 gig

[near nymph]

Take out fire doesn't liquid damage stuff

[full fossil]

Ye

Has you screaming in agony

[near nymph]

Even if you have 10 gig. Would they even let you tap into it?

[full fossil]

They let us use the wifi anyway

[full fossil]

mine has a whole 1MBs

it’s not like we are kids bruh

Its 130Mbps

100 ish more like

I get 230 down with 5g here

Mfw mobile is faster than wifi

I wish 6 oclock would hurry up

[full fossil]

lol, same

they pay millions to construct the building, but cant afford better wifi at my work >:[

They use uh

Ethernet here

I think

[thin fjord]

my isp is asking me to delete a file i downloaded, is this something they can actually monitor?

[full fossil]

Ain’t no way bruh

[thin fjord]

similar situation at my work and it's even more laughable because there is a starbucks directly next to it with free wifi, just out of the range for any of our customers to use

smooth brain forgot to turn on the vpn

[full fossil]

Just wait for the stupid bill

They will probably send a letter in the mail

No isp can monitor what is on your computer. Only the government can do that

That would be highly illegal and absolutely a setup for a lawsuit

They can only look at the metadata of your internet activity

Like if you log into a email

Or if you download something

Did you know your isp actually sells your information to the government

With your tax money

Pretty spooky huh

[manic torrent]

..... no.

That is pure garbage.

[full fossil]

What do you mean no?

[full fossil]

And so if it is your isp saying to, simply say you deleted it. They cannot request you show deleting it, if they do, don't give them it, it proves as further evidence you even have/did have said file

[manic torrent]

I mean no. The ISP does not 'sell' your information to the government

[full fossil]

Don’t even admit to downloading it

Exactly

[full fossil]

Buddy you underestimate the lengths the nsa will go to survey its people

[manic torrent]

The NSA is not the whole government, and it isn't "paying for information" as such.

[full fossil]

There are literally receipts of them buying almost 100 thousand dollars worth of data from isp data

Well, tbh to avoid dispute, I'd I'd you have
You can simply argue you said you deleted whatever they wanted to to not knowing what if it came down to it

Bout keeping options open without compromising, or leading to need those options

[manic torrent]

my issue here is with the concept of "buying"

[full fossil]

They take your tax money right

I'd say I'd suggest deleting whatever you downloaded but that could be an obstruction of evidence so

[manic torrent]

I am not saying the NSA does not have your data

[full fossil]

And they purchase your data

[manic torrent]

I mean they don't take MY tax money.

[full fossil]

Well yeah you aren’t American

I would have thought Australia would be worse

[manic torrent]

but the idea that "they use your tax money against you" is stupid. once you have paid the tax, it is no longer your money.

Now, as a citizen you have a vote and a say in how it is spent, absolutely.

[full fossil]

Technically if 10 people pay tax, each 100 dollars, and they spend 10 dollars on smthng, they've spent a dollar of each person's taxes

no longer my money?

[manic torrent]

nope.

[full fossil]

What are you talking about

[manic torrent]

If 10 people pay me for something and I spend the money, I'm not spending their money.

[full fossil]

I work for that money. It comes out of my paycheck

Yes it is now their money, but relatively

I work so they can use my money.

[tepid bolt]

don't pay taxes then see how that goes

[manic torrent]

no, you don't

[full fossil]

It comes out of my paycheck

[manic torrent]

you work so you can get money. and you pay taxes because that's how society works.

[full fossil]

No I pay takes because I go to jail if I don’t

[manic torrent]

potato potato

[thin fjord]

they've never requested proof in the past, im honestly not too worried im just thinking of ways to rationalize it to my brother

[tepid bolt]

Move to somalia government doesn't ask you to pay taxes there

[full fossil]

Lol

[tepid bolt]

now, would you rather live in a country like somalia or pay taxes

[blazing lily]

just retired my 15 year old Xbox 360 wired controller

[full fossil]

Lmao

Problem is people feel entitled to the money they pay the gov coming back to them, it's purely an expense to you, not a service, it goes to your country as a whole not back to you

You are a pirate

Yar har

[full fossil]

This is the root cause of any issue resulting from the use of tax money, not the issues

[manic torrent]

Are you one of those people that tell public servants that "I pay your salary"?

[tepid bolt]

Also donations to non-profits are tax deductible so if you want to choose exactly where your tax money goes to you can do that as well

[manic torrent]

also that's the fuckin best when you're a volunteer firefighter. mate. I'm not getting paid shit, you can fuck right off.

[full fossil]

I pay 0.0001c a month of your salary, yield!

[manic torrent]

(also firefighters here are paid by insurance levies, not taxes)

[full fossil]

Ew insurance companies, I work for em, my friends work for em, my family work for em, you work for em

Bleh

[full fossil]

Dude. My road has pot holes that have been there since I was like 8 years old. I have to sit there and pay taxes for everything I do. Hunting, fishing, driving, cooking, drinking, smoking, spending. I’m surprised I don’t have a tax on breathing

[tepid bolt]

Move to a different country with no taxes then

[manic torrent]

and do you know what your hunting and fishing licenses pay for?

[full fossil]

Nothing

The silver lining is working for insurance companies, you pull some extra cash outta them to go back into the economy

[tepid bolt]

i doubt you'd enjoy living in any of the no tax countries

[manic torrent]

nothing except for trying to preserve the environment so you can KEEP going hunting and fishing

[full fossil]

On that last, my country is making carbon emissions tax, so we will be soon

Because the game warden doesn’t regulate the “outsiders” who don’t pay anything

You know the people who don’t have access to technology

Anyway here at least you don't need a hunting and fishing license for some things

[manic torrent]

it really sounds like you don't have a fundamental grasp on how taxation and government work. Did you skip civics in school?

[full fossil]

Recreational fishing, bc here we almost just don't at all do either ever, usually no implications

Hunting, small game that plagues the country are fair game, and that is all you can hunt anyway, they took all large pew pews, so .22lr for possums and rabbits, tis perfect

My brother in christ. Those people don’t even pay taxes

[tepid bolt]

no taxes = nobody to pay for public services

[full fossil]

Because it’s against their religion

They don’t have a social security number

[full fossil]

No taxes is no rule, and every amurican sees that as freedom smh

[manic torrent]

so you have weird survivalist cult people where you live. great. how does that mean you shouldn't have to pay tax

[full fossil]

Because they don’t have to

[manic torrent]

you get you sound like a toddler, right

[tepid bolt]

go live with them then

if they have it so good just join right in

[manic torrent]

when the ATF eventually burn down their compound, balance will be restored.

[tepid bolt]

why can't you?

[full fossil]

My local government does nothing for me. The roads have stayed the same. About they only useful people here are from the electric department and they aren’t even apart of the government they are just funded by them

[tepid bolt]

and if you don't pay taxes who funds them?

[manic torrent]

you're still not understand the point about taxes.

it's not "what's in it for me"

[full fossil]

OK so because u want to do something that costs other people, for instance the gov is interested in preserving land and owns the land they're preserving, they charge you if you want to further the difficulty in that preservation

You pay to keep having game to hunt

Don't wanna pay? No license then

[full fossil]

My paycheck

[tepid bolt]

well either way it comes out of pocket then

[manic torrent]

you need to separate the concept of paying taxes, and being annoyed about where they go

[full fossil]

I wish I knew where my taxes went

[manic torrent]

did you know that they made a fully libertarian town, no taxes, no sherrif, and it went really great.

[full fossil]

You pay your country to keep being a country, where exactly that goes isn't your business

I wish the government told us where my taxes actually went

[manic torrent]

.... until they LITERALLY got destroyed by bears.

[tepid bolt]

donate to a non-profit it's tax deductible

[manic torrent]

it does.

[full fossil]

No they don’t

[manic torrent]

https://booksinbalance.com/where-do-your-federal-income-tax-dollars-go/

[full fossil]

Are you smoking something cause I need it more than you do

They mean where each of "his" dollars go

doesn't understand money is a integer in a db

[tepid bolt]

like if your whole issue is wanting to know where the money goes if you donate to non-profits you can get it deducted off your taxes

and then you know where it goes

[full fossil]

I feel like I should decide where my money goes

[manic torrent]

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide

[manic torrent]

you do. You just don't get to decide where your tax goes.

[full fossil]

That’s exactly what I want

The way tax works
Avoidable, are fees for what toy cost the gov
Unavoidable are called payment to live in the country, it's a subscription

Where any of that goes does not concern ya

Like the pothole on my road that has been there for almost 13 years

[manic torrent]

spoiler alert, you're a whiny crybaby, and that's not how the world works, nor can it EVER work that way, because of people like you.

[manic torrent]

go fix it.

[full fossil]

Illegal actually in most states iirc

[manic torrent]

I mean it concerns you, but in the general sense

[full fossil]

source of happiness is not giving a fuck OwO

[tepid bolt]

source of happiness is not paying taxes /s

[full fossil]

Obstruction of public roads, altering of public roads, etc

[manic torrent]

whoa whoa money is fungible?

[full fossil]

Yeah let me just fix the 17 other ones too

[full fossil]

lol

[full fossil]

Ikr, crazy!

A dollar is equal to another dollar 🤯

[manic torrent]

maybe, but understanding how laws are enforced, it seems unlikely to be an issue

[compact gust]

@manic torrent @full fossil @full fossil

[manic torrent]

unless it's at a different time.

[full fossil]

Yes hello

[round trellis]

is rtx 3050 and 120hz enough for 1080p gaming in today's standards

[manic torrent]

what

[near nymph]

Fuck I hate this cool down in general chat

[round trellis]

what do y'all think?

[full fossil]

If you do it late at night, sufficiently enough the stupid councils (here anyway they are stupid) won't complain they'll have to dig it up, redirect say traffic sufficiently, and check with a lawyer first, just make sure it's privileged

I thought I just saw a spider

Silly spider moment

[full fossil]

At the same time, a dollar = a dollar yes

A nitpic thats not important to this example

[manic torrent]

haha, it's always important - and I used to work in currency management, so our entire business was based around a dollar not being a dollar.

[full fossil]

I suppose important but not beneficial to our point, it can be mislead

[manic torrent]

basically - shit's complicated.

[full fossil]

Mhm

[manic torrent]

and it would appear Ken does not understand.

[manic torrent]

3050 is probably not going to get you 120fps in a lot of titles.

[full fossil]

I know a word that scares Australians

[round trellis]

you see , i used to play on gt 710 before this , so im happy with it

[full fossil]

HB, we good? I'd def like to get to know you better, I think you are quite interesting

[manic torrent]

oh, I'm very interesting

[round trellis]

i dont have to run gta 6 on 16k settings

[full fossil]

Taz

Melbourne

[round trellis]

an average GPU will be good for me

i mean what will I do with a 4090? its useless for me

[manic torrent]

that's ... where I live.

[full fossil]

[manic torrent]

this might shock you, but there's a lot of room between a 3050 and a 4090 😉

[full fossil]

A teenee bit self centered but who isn't, I suppose your better in that you don't conceal that

[round trellis]

i play valorant i dont need 1800 fps with the 4090

[tepid bolt]

i don't know why you would even consider a 3050 since an rx 6600 is superior in every aspect and a lot of the time cheaper

[round trellis]

3050 will give me like 300 fps , which is enough

[full fossil]

I'd consider average a 20 series tbh, most games people here play are rllly small

[round trellis]

i play valorant and samp

yes san andreas multiplayer

[manic torrent]

I mean, I play at 4k 120hz, so I need POWERRRRR

[round trellis]

4090 is best suitable for you then

[manic torrent]

I have a 3080ti, and no real need to upgrade.

[round trellis]

4090 is able to handle 8k perfectly fine too (60fps)

[full fossil]

Note from now on, here often means my country, district, town, etc, when I use it I speech

[round trellis]

i saw that linus's video

where he tests out 4090 on 8k

[full fossil]

Worst crime rates

[manic torrent]

...

[round trellis]

a 2023 card able to handle 8k which will be normalised after 2026? that's sounds really good

i mean 1080ti is still holding pretty solid

[full fossil]

Its the truth Melbourne just has the worst crime

Thats why its scary

I personally rather Melbourne bit thats me, prolly cuz I spent 3 years there and my father has spent 20

[manic torrent]

based on .... magic fairies told you?

[gleaming harbor]

he tested it on an 8k tv
idk if 8k monitors exsit yet

[full fossil]

If I get a 4090 I won't have a monitor that can take use of the power

[gleaming harbor]

use your tv
it has hdmi

[full fossil]

I don't have a tv

[gleaming harbor]

welp

[full fossil]

Not even close, several before it, Darwin is worst atm

[manic torrent]

Modern Australian states and cities, including Victoria, have some of the lowest crime rates recorded globally with Australia ranked the 13th safest nation and Melbourne ranked the 5th safest city globally.

[round trellis]

wait , tvs can be used as a normal gaming device too? (just asking?

i thought tvs don't support the gpu and stuff

[full fossil]

Yep

[full fossil]

They do but they cost 30k and yes I'm serious go to samsungs website

[gleaming harbor]

yes if you have like wireless wifi or long ethernet cable, yes also

[full fossil]

No wait my bad it’s a increasing crime rate. Not the largest crime rate

Meanwhile here south Auckland is gang slums, and west Auckland is shootout heaven.

[manic torrent]

oh no!

[full fossil]

Wow, in London you'd be lucky not to get threatened with a knife at least once a year

[round trellis]

then I'll buy a 4k tv next time and use it as my monitor

[manic torrent]

The number of criminal incidents recorded by Victoria Police in the year to 31 December 2022 was 349,852, up 0.4% from 348,440 incidents recorded in the same period last year.

[full fossil]

I don’t have anything against Melbourne I’ve just heard bad things about it. That and people joke about it sometimes

Lmfao

I want to move out of London, the crime rate is just to high

[full fossil]

Someone tried to stab me a few weeks ago

[full fossil]

Now that is actually like crime ridden

Bros triggered hard, even going after place of residence

[manic torrent]

... are these people afflicted with brain worms?

[full fossil]

London bad, ngl saying as a Scott, England in its current state bad. So many people there now whine about everything and have no humour

[full fossil]

No its just a joke about a city just like we joke about new york here

Except new york is actually bad

Just a joke bro
Just a prank bro

[manic torrent]

yes but new york is a crime ridden hell hole

[full fossil]

Fr though

[manic torrent]

and a lot of the crime is done by the police

[full fossil]

The ammount of people in temporary accommodation as rose significantly which is probably the best statistic to tell if the economy is doing alright

[full fossil]

LA tho

Yep

[manic torrent]

that's a different sort of crime though - and I would think more regional

[full fossil]

So every big city basically?

We can all agree though, Detroit

How's Toronto and Vancouver?

Wonder which US state has executed the most people...

Ofc, Texas

[full fossil]

Prison is often more tourtoures than the death sentence

[full fossil]

Followed by the next state Oklahoma, with a whopping 1/5 less

Often murders are too dangerous to contain as the government can't tourture them

So there is often a use for the death sentence at least in the US

[manic torrent]

nah, garbage

[full fossil]

I cannot see the civility or consideration for life in death sentencing

Prison is both punishment, and in cases of life sentences, restraint from the public. Not painful horrific death

The US needs a black dolphin style prison for murders and pe***s

[manic torrent]

the death sentence is too expensive. It should be banned from a purely pragmatic standpoint

[full fossil]

They do...

[full fossil]

Mericans: make it cheaper

Prison in many cases can be more tourcherours than death

Now onto a new topic before the mods bonk us

"I've had the last word and want to end this here before I lose"

💤

One more hour of work

[full fossil]

I just started the day lol

[tepid bolt]

One more hour of work that will go into taxes

[full fossil]

Probably more

[full fossil]

please don’t remind me

The lowest tax bracket in the UK is 20% and if you include other local taxes it's 30%

Income tax wise

Our vat is 20%

Here when almost the entire cost of fuel is tax, and my family spends tens of thousands on fuel a year, we'd be over 50% on fuel alone

You should get a fuel card then

You can gain fuel points that way

Alot of truckers do that

[full fossil]

In the UK you don't need a car

You need power though

Our commuter trains come every 15 minutes and tube every 2-5 minutes

Tell me, how much does it cost per kwh, and what's the privilege connection fee (pay a set rate daily on top of usage)

[full fossil]

£0.40/kwh

[tired glade]

Oh,my

[full fossil]

Minus whater the fuck is a privilege connection fee

[full fossil]

Americans see 0.15usd outrageous

We see 0.3usd normal
Yall obv, 0.45usd or so

We paying taxes, yall paying economy bleh

[full fossil]

That's $0.49/kwh

[full fossil]

Our taxes are much higher

Mhm

Make over 60k/y? 50% of your taxes to gov

We here follow pretty close though

Yk how yax brackets work yeah

[full fossil]

I do, but you understand what I mean

Say at 10k 10%, 20k 20%, etc

So for the first 10k you make a year its 10% tax, any money you make after 10k till 20k would be 20%

So it's not necessarily all 50%, but yeah a lot

Im forced to pay for the maintenance of the water lines that go by my property at the length of them, so if they replace a million dollar strip outside my place I must pay for it directly,, a separate new fee on its own on top of the rest, very very soon

Having a large property that stretches long along the road, ima be dishing out life savings for this

[full fossil]

What about rural living people

Rural England is more packed than our cities here lmao

[full fossil]

Your basically guaranteed, at least in southern England to live within 30 minutes walking distance of a train station

[heavy swan]

can someone ping me please

[rugged bridge]

http://linusteslatips.com/ still not working sadge

[full fossil]

@heavy swan

@heavy swan

@heavy swan

[heavy swan]

eh, nothing special

[gleaming harbor]

@heavy swan

[heavy swan]

thought the new sound would be something better, thanks guys thats all i needed

[full fossil]

Everyone ping this man NOW

💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 the way wars have to pay for c3-c21 to the parking space in my

@heavy swan

[twilit palm]

Yo boyos, we excited for the very first REAL Path Tracing implementation in video games?

In Cyberpunk 2077 on 10th of April.

[full fossil]

I couldn't care less lol

[gleaming harbor]

cool new gps tracking in cp2077

[full fossil]

Why tho

My deodorant freaking reeks

[full fossil]

Oh god, there is a reason why Cyberpunk isn't abbreviated

Ray tracing still not even very implemented, slow down so I can have Ray tracing before it just gets skipped

Linus tech tip’s deodorant when

[full fossil]

The Linux copy command be like

[deft hatch]

u guys think i should return my m2 pro 14' for a framework laptop

[full fossil]

When is linus tech tips shampoo dropping

Please

[gleaming harbor]

ltt soap !&@€@

[full fossil]

Yep

[full fossil]

If roll on, a nice smell, has a female deo, and is antiperspirant
I'd buy

[full fossil]

14ft???

Yes

[deft hatch]

im thinking

the display on the pro is much better. same with the battery

[full fossil]

Wait for the 16"

[deft hatch]

i just love the diy feature and those expansion cards. genius

[deft hatch]

then i cant return my macbook and i dont like 16''

i never knew about this company

[full fossil]

I have a 14" thinkpad and it's wayy to small for me

Hm, personally I'd stick with what you got, there's always smthng better, no point in swapping things around so much if what you have alr works well

[deft hatch]

i would of considered them

[gleaming harbor]

wanna have an hdmi port but dont wanna buy a dongle
get this included box usbc to hdmi thing!1

[full fossil]

100% buy a framework

[deft hatch]

true, the m2 pro is amazing dont get me wrong

really efficient

[full fossil]

Apple arm silicon cringe to me tho, much harder to install other os'

[deft hatch]

and just looks amazing display wise

[deft hatch]

i dont mind macos. ive used it for years

[full fossil]

Basically impossible if you want decent performance

[deft hatch]

i use w10 on my pc too so i'm indifferent to the os i use

[full fossil]

Just go with a thinkpad for "work"

[full fossil]

Linus lady deodorant

And linus gamer deodorant

[deft hatch]

idk i gotta think

[full fossil]

Except maybe things like kali, I hear that's alr on Apple silicon

[full fossil]

The Linux grooming kit for men

No women's varient and includes things for neck beards

[full fossil]

Cheeto and mnt dew scent

[gleaming harbor]

the linus dedodorant kit for men
only 5.99$

[deft hatch]

if i were to get a framework, it'd be the 13th gen professional version

[full fossil]

Open source scent

[deft hatch]

companies cant source amd chips for shit

[full fossil]

The Linus ladies hair lessener

[full fossil]

Mnt dew is great though

We need linus to make linus tech tip cookies

[deft hatch]

the battery life on these is meh tho

[full fossil]

Ltt cookies

[deft hatch]

this would ship out in may though

[full fossil]

For a Sebastian santa Christmas

[full fossil]

Eh, just carry around a 100wh external battery in your backpack

Tech Quickie cpu lube

[deft hatch]

id be a month with no laptop and im in college rn. my pc will have to carry when i'm home

[full fossil]

We need linus to drop a tech tip filled Christmas album

[deft hatch]

how would that work for travel though

TSA isn't letting me through with that

[full fossil]

I'm surprised that college students can afford macs. Like where are you getting the money from lol

[deft hatch]

i work

[full fossil]

No apple gives discounts to students

[deft hatch]

i bought and built my own pc

it's my grown up hobby now

[full fossil]

Yeah but your basically stuck with minimum wage till you graduate

[deft hatch]

no

[full fossil]

Like 1% lol

[full fossil]

https://www.apple.com/us-edu/store?afid=p238|sluRwONwG-dm_mtid_1870765e38482_pcrid_644630348869_pgrid_13945969927_pntwk_g_pchan__pexid__&cid=aos-us-kwgo-edu--slid---product-

[deft hatch]

i bought the mac off education discount

[full fossil]

How so?

[deft hatch]

it was 150 usd off so it's nice for sure

[deft hatch]

internships etc

[full fossil]

I’m hungry

[deft hatch]

being a waiter

[full fossil]

In the UK interns get £4.50 an hour

[full fossil]

I thought you just said water

[deft hatch]

depends the internship i guess

anyways what should i do

[full fossil]

Noone will pay more

Walter

[deft hatch]

different in the states

[full fossil]

Please walter

[deft hatch]

my dbrand skin for the macbook pro is coming tomorrow lol

[full fossil]

In the UK your stuck with £5/h till your 23

[deft hatch]

i think ill pass on the framework laptop. i dont wanna wait a month or so

whatever

[full fossil]

I have a iPhone

Why

[deft hatch]

that is unfortunate

anyone here own a framework laptop?

[full fossil]

Because it was the most reliable thing to have while my mother was on life support

[full fossil]

I am a thinkpad lover lol

[deft hatch]

apple is reliable

[full fossil]

I wanted to make sure I got the call

[full fossil]

Until you drop it

[deft hatch]

i have an iphone too

[deft hatch]

nah theyre durable

[full fossil]

I’ve dropped this thing like 30 times

[full fossil]

Uhh, every phone does that

[deft hatch]

i actually have the apple card too

[full fossil]

That isn't a good credit card though

[deft hatch]

and air pods lol, but my home headphones are the senn 560s

[full fossil]

My last android was buggin

[deft hatch]

beginner. it was my second card. i have 3 others now

[full fossil]

Because you went from a £100 android phone to a £1000 iPhone

Exactly

Get a S23 Ultra and compare it to your iPhone

Thats why I got it

[deft hatch]

s23 is the same price if not more

but we're at a point where mid level phones are more than capable now

[full fossil]

Little less actually

[deft hatch]

no it's 100 usd more than the 14 pro max

[full fossil]

That's fair still

[deft hatch]

only thing i'd buy from samsung is the fold

[full fossil]

Just buy a 7 inch tablet

[deft hatch]

i dont like android anyways

[full fossil]

Ugh, because you've only tried one varient

[deft hatch]

1200usd for a phone isnt fair

[deft hatch]

wrong, i used to own an s8 and i traded it in after a month

[full fossil]

The iPhone 14 Pro max costs £1,299 in the UK

[deft hatch]

that's the uk

[dull granite]

bad price

[full fossil]

Ah yes a 5 year old phone

Like dude you can't compare a s8 to a iPhone 14 Pro max

That thing was hot garbage

[deft hatch]

bro are u slow

i got that when it was brand new at the time

traded it in for the 8+

[full fossil]

Android has changed so much since then

[deft hatch]

whatever

[full fossil]

The real reason I got the iPhone was FaceTime

[deft hatch]

if an os changes so drastically it's not comparable to a software 5 years prior, i don't think that's a good os

[full fossil]

Facebook messenger sucks

Also I just spent 30 minutes listening to my mac freinds thought on win 11 and he said it looks good and modern. Like wtf. That looks like it was made for babies

[deft hatch]

facetime and imessage

[full fossil]

True

[full fossil]

Wdym? Innovation is great

[deft hatch]

that isn't innovation. it's convolution

[full fossil]

Like what else was my momma gonna use? Discord 💀

[full fossil]

Signal, telegram, WhatsApp or even sms

[full fossil]

Elaborate

[full fossil]

Ok so hear me out

I would not compare the iPhone 10 to the S21 ultra

How am I gonna explain how to use any of that to a terminally ill woman

Depends on what illness she has

[deft hatch]

there is nothing to elaborate. an os shouldn't change so drastically you don't recognize it at all

[full fossil]

It was for the better though

[deft hatch]

updates are meant to expand upon what was built, not change the whole blueprint

[full fossil]

Android had some growing pains and worked them out

[deft hatch]

well they shot themselves in the foot with that. last i heard, they don't have a good track record with software update support after a while

[full fossil]

hi

[full fossil]

That, is just wrong

[full fossil]

Depends what manufacturer of phone you go with. Google pixels get 5 years of update support

[deft hatch]

thanks for the input with no reasoning

[full fossil]

Update's goal is to improve in some way, if it changes things around a tone, it's a large improvement

[deft hatch]

yes, but some companies don't provide that

[full fossil]

You cannot disregard my opinion on a matter bc you disagree

This will not be productive speaking to you, good bye

[full fossil]

And? Android is open source. Anyone can use it and build upon it. Its upto the consumer to do their due diligence

[deft hatch]

if an update requires a drastic change in feel and experience, then that os prior to the update probably wasn't very good. they've now established that in their track record. susceptible to happen again

[amber cairn]

oh look ios vs android argument 125,443

[deft hatch]

u are slow. i criticized you because you disagree without reasoning

[full fossil]

Yep

[full fossil]

mans never heard of innovation
||craig? is that you?||

If a consumer dosnt know what update support is then they will learn from experience

[amber cairn]

come on now that's just ridiculous of course they'll change design language eventually to accommodate modern trends, you think we'd be better off still having the classic ICS 4.0 design? I personally prefer android 13 and especially google's take on it because of the theming options and dynamic color schemes

[full fossil]

"You disagree so I say you have no reason to"

Shut your ass up, do not build a strawman out of me

[deft hatch]

calm down child

[deft hatch]

aesthetic rebrand isn't a drastic change though

[amber cairn]

it's usually in tandem with under the hood improvements for a big feature release, the aesthetics is there to lure people in to upgrade for the bigger low-key features they want you to use

[full fossil]

The most important "OS" (in simple terms) in the world is the Linux Kernel. You've likely never heard of it but it's in every service that you use. Just because you have no experience with it dosnt mean that it's hot garbage

[full fossil]

cough

• material ui changing the entirety of web design
• windows aero changing how .exes look for over a decade
• iOS pushing away skeuomorphism for a flatter approach
  cough

[deft hatch]

why are you putting words in my mouth

[full fossil]

You called android garbage without trying the latest version

[deft hatch]

no i didn't dumbass

i said "i dont like android"

[full fossil]

Have you tried android 13

[full fossil]

^^^^

[amber cairn]

well android has a lot more variety and a lot of bad vendors that don't support their devices well, no wonder people get out of the android ecosystem for the mid but stable experience of ios

the biggest selling point for apple devices is consistency after all

[full fossil]

I have an iPhone 12 and I wanna go back to Samsung

[amber cairn]

You wanna go from premium to premium, congrats lol

[full fossil]

If only consumers did their due diligence and went with someone like Google or Samsung instead of a no-name vendor that you found on amazon

[amber cairn]

the S23 looks real good to me ngl

[full fossil]

that's true
with the wide variety of android products makes it difficult for manufacturers to support devices for a while and push consistent updates

but tbh you gotta give credit to companies over the last view years stepping up their game to match apple

[deft hatch]

that isn't the argument

[full fossil]

Well no and yes, I wanna go back to Samsung because apple has been nothing but just issues for me.

[amber cairn]

Don't hate the player, hate the game. People listen to marketing, they won't know whatever phone guru you listen to online sheesh

[full fossil]

what is argument then

[full fossil]

Well have you? Maybe if you did you would have a change of heart

[full fossil]

i love marketing

They keep trying to charge me money per month like a bill when I don't even make any in app purchases through apple. I only use my debit card on GrubHub for food and that's it.

[deft hatch]

what you're asking refers to a personal opinion. subjection can't be argued effectively

[deft hatch]

scroll up

[full fossil]

i did
and all i found was you hating on android with trashy claims 🗿

[amber cairn]

people need to chill out and remember that not everyone in the world is themselves and have different preferences and needs sometimes

[full fossil]

This is why I'm starting to doubt reality. Like how dumb does one have to be to give a shit about marketing

[amber cairn]

Oooh edgy, are you 12? Get a grip

[deft hatch]

^

that was what stemmed this

[full fossil]

No but I just don't understand people who use marketing to make purchase decisions. They will always lie to you to make a sale

[deft hatch]

get off your pedestal. you subconsciously succumb to marketing schemes everyday

[full fossil]

Apple hands down makes the best tablets

[desert snow]

Should I build my pc on my dining table that has a glass top or my room which is more comfortable but it’s carpeted

[deft hatch]

they dominate like 60% of the market

[full fossil]

Two things, it should be pointed out insults and personal attacks in arguments show a huge lack of maturity in a person, and invalidates their argument as they have nothing left of validity, henceforth you have lost

Secondly if you cease the namecalling and aggression, I am willing to have a civil conversation, however I debate, saying someone is wrong and has no grounds for the sake of it is one of the largest signs of disrespect, and I will not speak to someone whom does. If you'd allow me to discuss why I hold my opinion, and not disregard it, this convocation can be restored. Furthermore, until you do, you have no respect from me

[amber cairn]

How do you think awareness of brands work? All you see on youtube, reddit, whatever place you "trust" might also be a marketing vector but for more "techie" things. Saying marketing is trash and pretending you're not partaking in it is ridiculous

[desert snow]

Should I build my pc on my dining table that has a glass top or my room which is more comfortable but it’s carpeted

[full fossil]

I literally have a Pihole aka network wide ad blocker and also I do my research in every product category

[deft hatch]

can u remove the carpet

[desert snow]

No it’s on the floor

[deft hatch]

lol how ignorant are you bro

[desert snow]

It’s not a small carpet it’s a carpets room

[amber cairn]

Astroturfing search results, "legit" review sites has been going on for well over two decades lmao

[deft hatch]

the things you eat, the clothes you wear, the water you drink etc, are all influenced by marketing schemes

[full fossil]

New observation this convocation on both sides has become disrespectful, I am leaving

[full fossil]

Look, I'm not going to convince you and you are never going to convince me. We've both made our decision on what OS we're going to use. Why don't we end this pointless argument and go seperate ways?

[deft hatch]

eh just do it in the dining room

[deft hatch]

that comment regarded your statement about not falling for marketing schemes, not OS

[full fossil]

This isn't relevant, this discussion is about smtng much more major, what device you use, which is one of the most important assets for anyone. This is about which product you go with. Either way you go with a marketing scheme, this is about which is greater

I'll leave yall with that

[full fossil]

I wasn't talking about brand awareness although you have a good point

[deft hatch]

it is extremely relevant. the most basic necessities are subjected to the influence from marketing schemes

[full fossil]

It's easier to leave the android ecosystem than it is to leave the apple ecosystem. I'll end it at that.

[tawdry musk]

These conversations are always a bloody maze

[deft hatch]

my point is no one can reject them. as humans, we absorb information and it influences our decisions

[amber cairn]

no-one is strictly wrong but it becomes pointless trying to berate someone into changing their mind for minor grievances at best

[full fossil]

ahem ok lemme give you a reality check

updates are meant to solve a problem or make something better. lets look at the last few major updates that do just that.

Blender 2.8 >> Literally changed everything about blender, and now? Its so much more accessible than pretty much anything else out there,

OneUI >> Remember touchwiz? Thing of the past! OneUI literally changed the entirety of Samsung's smartphone lineups and is probably the best android variant there is to date. OneUI also means Samsung can stay competitive with Apple pushing 4+ years of updates.

Windows (literally any version) >> 7? Much faster. 8? Paved the way to touch friendly design. 10? Showed how to do touch design but right. 11? Revolutionises the ENTIRETY of web and app design.

And regardless of marketing schemes, we are discussing which of a group of products is better. You cannot say someone else's choice is wrong bc it has been influenced by marketing, because then so is your choice in product. This makes us all wrong, which in this case is not possible

if you dont like updates you can go back to MS Dos

11 is hot garbage but alright I agree with most of that

[deft hatch]

no one said they were wrong

[amber cairn]

didn't blender 3.0 also have a huge UI overhaul to make it less of a non-standardized maze of random buttons too after the under-the-hood overhaul?

[tawdry musk]

Regarding Android and Apple, I like my community in the home (Android) and corporate in the workplace (Apple) and most certainly not the other way round

[full fossil]

Yes but that's beside the point

[full fossil]

imo i like 11 I can see why people dont like it doe. Its there to state how it standardised fluent design, accessibility first web, and rounded corners

[full fossil]

I think so but 2.8 was pretty much the start of all of that iirc.

[full fossil]

This debate in its fundamental, is over which is better. Both sides are influenced my marketing, so then marketing is moot and saying it exists or is even relevant is pointless and not in your favor.

[deft hatch]

my point is contingent on the os being competent and efficient prior to the updates. you have companies with track records that fix what wasn't broken

[full fossil]

For work MacOS is only good for creative professionals and that's how it's marketed.

[amber cairn]

I've seen plenty of IT specialists with mac devices doing just fine

[full fossil]

It looks like it was made for 2 year olds. I want sharp edges and desktop space

[deft hatch]

and comp sci users

[deft hatch]

probably imitating macos

[tawdry musk]

It provides a robust MDM solution, which is fine in the workplace

[full fossil]

Really? I've been told by my comp Sci teacher that it isn't very good compared to Linux because of OS limitations

[full fossil]

what you probably dont see is that those companies are the ones which make the most influential changes. you focus on what they messed up on, whereas they've done much more good than harm.

8 for example. You probably think its trash, but:

a. 7 was still supported for download
b. it was aimed to change touch design, and soon after 8 released Material UI which helped that.

[full fossil]

lmfaooo fair

[amber cairn]

only thing macOS doesn't really do is gaming and that doesn't really matter in a professional environment, it does everything else fine (sometimes even better thanks to built-in tools in finder etc)

[full fossil]

It basically is. Every brand wants to be apple nowadays

[full fossil]

This is opnion itself and not reasoning for opinion, for one, I daily drive Apple and I find it is very bulky, inefficient, and overall worst than even older versions of Android, however this is also opnion and not reason for it.

In what way do you find Android incompetent, or is made worse by updates. What is in fact certainly worst, not "the updates are bad", why are the updates bad

[deft hatch]

well, im not a comp sci major or user, but more and more users are going to macos. it's a unix machine without linux

[full fossil]

I use gnome with gentoo so Windows is irrelevant for me

[full fossil]

W11 was to get competitive with Apple because the community was constantly complaining about how Windows doesn't care enough about their aesthetics.

[amber cairn]

W11 is basically just a refinement of the big change started in W8, they've just taken a decade to get where they wanted to be

[full fossil]

The issue is that the control over the OS that you have in Linux is why it's great for CompSci and servers

guys Windows ME omg favourite OS daily driver 100% bug free!! :D

[tawdry musk]

W11 was a push to vendors to update their shit or fuck off

[solid valve]

rounded corners look bad.

[full fossil]

it does take a while!

[amber cairn]

because of the TPM 2 requirement?

[full fossil]

I've tried macos in a VM and it's like gnome but with less control and a more locked down nature

[full fossil]

needed wakeup call tbh. also it was great for marketing - "This device supports the latest and greatest W11!"

[full fossil]

TPM 2 has been around for ages and is a general security boost

[tawdry musk]

TPM, design, VM integration, multiple things

[full fossil]

Windows 11 happend because Microsoft needed to implement new technologies and they couldn't push it to win10 because the new requirements would cut of existing users and confuse people too much

[full fossil]

Wasnt that Windows 10x and then it was taking too long or smthing so they repurposed it to W11