public-chat

[dreamy rose]

Gmod wasnt made by valve so its not there either.

[pearl pollen]

ngl psvr's new headset seemed nice

[pearl pollen]

i already own it so its fine

[dreamy rose]

for what it is its worthless when it doesn't work for VR on a PC.

[pearl pollen]

yeah there are a few good games ive seen tho

[dreamy rose]

which, yeah you can connect it to a PC as a personal display but nothing more.

[pearl pollen]

i have an oculus queset

Oo

vacation simulator 2 will be on psvr2

[dreamy rose]

is that what they call it in France?

[pearl pollen]

lol

[dreamy rose]

WTF is Vacation Simulator 2?

[pearl pollen]

Job Simulator 2

[tardy terrace]

vr farming simulator

[pearl pollen]

so theres Job Simulator, Vacation Simulator which is like the "sequel" then vacation simulator 2 which is set to be released

[wild silo]

hello everyone let's farm

[pearl pollen]

Imagine a spiderman vr game

[dreamy rose]

lets not. lets just game how about that?

[tardy terrace]

ngl actually looking for folks to farm on fs22 with

[pearl pollen]

FS seems boring ofc thats personal opinion

[dreamy rose]

that idea SUCKS, Portal VR better

[full charm]

i planted my face into cement earlier!

[tardy terrace]

it's v relaxing

[pearl pollen]

ah

[tardy terrace]

plus with mods you can do all sorts of decor!!

[pearl pollen]

oo

i played one on like xbox gamepass and it was like a pixel game i was so lost

[dreamy rose]

you mean Stardew Valley?

[pearl pollen]

or something was up its graphics were horrid

[tardy terrace]

Damn you, warship. Nah, Farm sim 22 is a legit farming simulator with detailed vehicles & such

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1248130/Farming_Simulator_22/

Steam

Farming Simulator 22

Take on the role of a modern farmer! Agriculture, animal husbandry and forestry offer a huge variety of farming activities while you face the challenges of the four seasons, especially when winter sets in. Creatively build your own farm and extend your farming operations with production chains - forming an agricultural empire! Even run your farm...

Price

$39.99

Recommendations

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[pearl pollen]

I think it was 2016

[tardy terrace]

oh, yeah, graphics were vv bad back then

[pearl pollen]

yeah retty sure my pc auto set some of the graphics it looked strange

ngl im losing that "gaming" aspect in me

I wanna play but dont want to when I do

[dreamy rose]

i will say the majority of modern games are just boring as frick.

[tardy terrace]

branch out, explore farming

[pearl pollen]

last game i enjoyed was ragnarok

[dreamy rose]

nothing really sticks out anymore. this is why i'm just staying back in games older than my system.

and my system is literally 11

[tardy terrace]

I've got roughly 2.5tb of games to play (until another steam sale(oh god in that case i'm gonna have to buy another drive ))

[hexed belfry]

potatoes

[pearl pollen]

!!!???

[dreamy rose]

i wish i had the money for that.

[tardy terrace]

gaems,,

[pearl pollen]

whats your opinion on the steamdeck

[tardy terrace]

I think i have 104 in total

[dreamy rose]

my list wont fill up a 1TB

[pearl pollen]

104

dangu have like all the farcrys

[hollow crest]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dogs-farming-eating-gif-21929506

[tardy terrace]

When you have a job, steam sales are very powerful.

[dreamy rose]

pushing Linux gaming forward. which is the right thing because Windows can kiss my ass fr.

[hollow crest]

Oh of course embeds don't work

[tardy terrace]

they were on sale w/ the spring sale!

I paid like $30 for all 4

[pearl pollen]

nice

[dreamy rose]

boost the server, or sub on FP. for those to work

[pearl pollen]

Far cry 5 is a pretty fun game

[tardy terrace]

I have no real opinion on handheld gaming devices since it's not really my forte

[pearl pollen]

ah

[hollow crest]

I can't do either.

[tardy terrace]

I think the one GPD netbook w/ KVM capabilities is pretty fk'n rad but it's a bit too out of my price range

[dreamy rose]

well. guess that means you suffer without that ability.

[hollow crest]

yeah

[dreamy rose]

i'm in the same boat.

[hollow crest]

I can't please Uncle Linus I guess

[pearl pollen]

rip

[compact prairie]

Should I have resizable bar on?

[tardy terrace]

When my chromebook finally dies I'll invest in a quality portable machine

[dreamy rose]

Deck is that Step forward for Valves next VR stuff.

ofc, Deck IS going to live on. people LOVE deck.

[tardy terrace]

One day the steam deck will be vr-capable

Actually I'm sure it already is but with very graphics-limited games

[dreamy rose]

it is if you make some good use of some fancy tools

[pearl pollen]

how would that even work

[dreamy rose]

the same way any VR Headset would connect to a GPU

[tardy terrace]

Either through the dock or w/ a usb-c only vr headset & a battery bank/power supply

[compact prairie]

Steam deck's screen is 800p and struggles in some games. Vr would not run

[tardy terrace]

Hence why I said "one day".

[dreamy rose]

didnt even read it correctly.

[urban ether]

I'm starting my own farm. I'll be buying pregrown potatoes and um burying them myself and then digging them up again to sell. What potato brand should I buy from the grocery store?

[red steeple]

If a VR game could run on the steam deck it could probably run on the headset itself, unless that app wasn't available for the headset

[tardy terrace]

Do you understand how potatoes work?

[gray linden]

MSI

[compact prairie]

here

[pearl pollen]

I prefer the official potato brand but some off the offbrand potatos work

[dreamy rose]

we actually have word that Valve has the idea of a "Compute unit" thats an AMD APU that straps to the Deckard and Runs PCVR Games.

[tardy terrace]

I think you mean dbrand

[urban ether]

Would potatoes taste better with or without RGB?

[gray linden]

guys, when i disable CSM, all boot priority HDD disappear?

[near nymph]

Okay so disable it

[gray linden]

i meant disable

[tardy terrace]

CSM is a legacy boot mode. Leave it disabled. Leaving it disabled keeps UEFI enabled, enhancing system security & functionality

[dreamy rose]

if they go ahead with that, its up to AMD to be making an iGPU that can do VR.

[pearl pollen]

ngl wanna get dbrand stuff but man is it pricy

[near nymph]

You need to do adjustments to your installation then

[gray linden]

ik, but if i disable it, the drives on boot priority disappear. maybe its because they are MBR and not GPT?

[dreamy rose]

dbrand are those friends that are just causally an asshole.

[tardy terrace]

If having CSM disabled means you have no boot options, that means that your current install is not UEFI compatible. The only real way I know of to fix this is to do a windows reinstall with CSM disabled.

[echo canopy]

Why the fuck would they do that to the existing deck?

1. How would they even, the io does not exist
2. A huge point of why there wont be a "pro" model or anything like that is to make one specific piece of hardware all developers can target

[near nymph]

There is a way to fix it. With registry edit

[tardy terrace]

If you know how please share here for them

[gray linden]

or the drive type is not compatible with UEFI, idk

[echo canopy]

oh, whats the Deckard?

[near nymph]

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/convert-an-existing-windows-10-installation-from/aa8c2de3-460b-4a8c-b30b-641405f800d7

[tardy terrace]

@gray linden

[gray linden]

ok

[last solstice]

so I have a question

why is the word dadddy banned?

[echo canopy]

I still adds unneeded product segmentation that valve wants to avoid in the first place

[last solstice]

genuinely I wana know

[tardy terrace]

Lewd references, probably.

[last solstice]

ok but like is everything even remotely lewd just banned ?

[tardy terrace]

I wonder if Discord can have different slowmodes set for different roles

[last solstice]

I mean I get it but like dadddy is a bit much

[tardy terrace]

Just chat about tech, my guy.

[dreamy rose]

1. they have reason to have a Compute unit on Deckard, simply put, Valve has been focusing on running x86 games the whole time they have been around, not ARM. and they are likely to use an XR2 for the headset itself. and have it run a variant of SteamOS. Sadlyitsbradley and his mates datamined Betas of SteamVR and found mentions to such Processors/Ideas/
2. yea. for Deck. deck isn't the Deckard though. and if its just using an AMD APU it'd be fine. its one APU to target.

[tardy terrace]

Wait what's the "deckard"

[last solstice]

valves set to be new vr head set

[dreamy rose]

i mean a Valve headset that cant work with Steam would be kinda shit right?

[echo canopy]

some theoretical headset from valve that does not exist yet

[dreamy rose]

the VR headset in development at valve.

[tardy terrace]

Ooooh~

[dreamy rose]

its not Theoretical. we have Evidence.

[last solstice]

we just have to wait 10 years longer 🫠

[echo canopy]

not a final product

[dreamy rose]

no. just until AMD's iGPUs can beat a 1060.

[last solstice]

there should be some one that decides to work at valve just to speed up their development

[last solstice]

even if thats happening I dont want that to happen

pc vr is pc vr because of the pc

[dreamy rose]

maybe thats not it. but based on what i hear, thats what i think.

[last solstice]

stand alone vr is console vr

[stray apex]

PC VR is shit because of the pc

[dreamy rose]

the APU IS the PC.

[stray apex]

Need a whole fuckin' PC just to use the headset

[last solstice]

wait I need to explain bette

[echo canopy]

pcvr is shit because we dont have eyetracking yet / devleopers haven't done a good job of optimizing rendering

[gilded quest]

PC VR with outside in tracking seems so much better for gaming

[stray apex]

Much in the same way that a fully water-cooled 4090 is the best for gaming, sure

[last solstice]

like I get it but I dont want lower end hardware just so that valve can serve vr to a wider audience

[gilded quest]

I see your point.

[last solstice]

^^^^

[pale bloom]

you just have different priorities

[echo canopy]

Not really? inside out on the rift s and quest are very good.

[gilded quest]

How does the headset see behind your head

[pale bloom]

the self tracked controllers on the quest pro seem to solve basically every issue with inside out tracking they just cost a lot right now

[last solstice]

yea but we are reaching a point where we wont have generational improvements with processors anymore

[pale bloom]

it doesn't but the fallback methods for tracking are actually pretty good

[echo canopy]

It does not need to, motion can be interpolated using the gyros inside the controllers. As long as you are quick about it its quite accurate

[last solstice]

the 4090 is basically nvidia trying their hardest not to fall behind and that means they used every single tool in the bucket

[pale bloom]

I have never missed reaching behind my back with my quest 2

[echo canopy]

also, the cameras cover a wider FOV then you think

[dreamy rose]

you don't need to buy Deckard, and it doesn't matter if you like it or not anyway. this theoretical APU isn't gonna be a Slouch either. pretty much just a laptop/console APU, if it gets people in VR its reached its goal.

[pale bloom]

foveated rendering needs to be in budget headsets fast

[last solstice]

m8 I want a head set as good as the index D:

[stray apex]

Fall behind?
That's the biggest amd cope I've heard in a while
The 4090 is Nvidia telling gamers to bend over because they have no other choice

[dreamy rose]

then get an Index

[pale bloom]

vr games are degrading in quality because they have to be ported to the quest

[echo canopy]

The 4090 is prime evidence of the death of transistor density gains and little else

[last solstice]

the 600w power limit:

[stray apex]

Eh, it's still gonna be a generation or two before and has an igpu good enough

[last solstice]

I has no money :3c

[dreamy rose]

then suffer that pain.

[echo canopy]

Its good enough for games like beat saber and nothing with aggressive shaders already

[stray apex]

Do you think someone with a 4k 120hz display is worried about that

[stray apex]

If valve's standalone headset cannot run hla to an acceptable level then what's the point?

[last solstice]

that was not the point. the point was the power to performance ratio

[dreamy rose]

its gonna take time, yes. but stuff gets more powerful and shit gets easier to run.

[echo canopy]

Thats not entirely a bad thing, it forces some sense of optimization instead of VR devs assuming you have the lastest gpu

[stray apex]

4090 is more efficient that the 7900's, so idk what you're talking about

[last solstice]

good to know Ig

[gilded quest]

I wanna see what a second gen of AMD multi die GPUs can do

[last solstice]

though I would like evidence

[last solstice]

^^^^

like nvidia has to switch too so they have to fall behind at some point

[echo canopy]

A high end apu from amd should already be able to do it already. The min spec themselves are a 1060 and more importantly 6gb of vram

[dreamy rose]

idk. RDNA3 would be more powerful at the same core count as the 4090.

[pale bloom]

It's mostly smaller indie vr devs that aren't optimizing their pcvr games well

[gilded quest]

I want amd to do high end apus designed for desktop

[stray apex]

That's not really how core count works

[pale bloom]

or bethesda

[last solstice]

gpus need more v ram frfrfrfr

[echo canopy]

cores dont exist on gpus in the classical sense

[last solstice]

dont matter gpus are slow

[echo canopy]

you have CUs in the case of AMD which is a collection of hardware

[gilded quest]

Cores just can't be compared between different GPU architectures

[dreamy rose]

i don't know what the hell you call them. but ik Radeon has then grouped a bunch of 64 as CUs. which the XTX has 96 of. where they would have 256 of them to match what the 4090s little count is.

[last solstice]

guys next gen will have better value right tWt

[deft hatch]

it's regressing

[dreamy rose]

Nvidia laughing at you RN

[last solstice]

waiting for the market to crash be like

[last solstice]

wait what if it crashes on 2040

[dreamy rose]

second time in a decade i guess

[wise plover]

How do I farm potatoes

[polar fern]

My water cooling solution can cook 4 potato an hour

[deft hatch]

living the infamous day i bought a 308012gb for 1300 dollars a year ago

[dreamy rose]

Chicken Sandwich

[last solstice]

dang what

[wise plover]

Dang

[honest spindle]

You have to plant them first

[last solstice]

bro this graph looks cpu limited

[wise plover]

I'm stuck on the part after that

[pale bloom]

did you really not know the 4090 was more efficient

[echo canopy]

how well can each saturate their own cores? also NVIDIA definition of a "cuda core" is very vauge

[polar fern]

Mark Watney now owns LMG

[last solstice]

nope

[pale bloom]

its locked to 90fps LOL

[deft hatch]

4080 is really efficient

[last solstice]

aaaa ok makes sense

[polar fern]

400 watts “efficient”

[dreamy rose]

this is why i dont know. Nvidia makes life hard for their own gain. which is why i hate them.

[last solstice]

guess I shouldnt assume just based on the 6900 xt

[stray apex]

It is the only GPU that can realistically do high refresh 4k

[echo canopy]

or, just ignore core counts

[hardy warren]

Hi guys, so I'm having issues baking this potato, and I really want it to be savory. I bought my potato from Uncle Linus' farm. I'm 57.31 percent sure this is covered in the 3 second warranty. My potato is also starting to rot, almost 2 days of use. Can anyone help?

[stray apex]

Nvidia can charge basically whatever they want because everyone else is so behind

[polar fern]

Bit windy here.

[echo canopy]

even the 20 series could do that if you didnt play at ultra

[neon mesa]

It doesn't eat 400w

[deft hatch]

that and they have patents

[stray apex]

Ah yes, people who buy 4k120hz displays famously like to run at medium

[pale bloom]

4k gaming has gotten significantly harder to run since 20 series launched

[echo canopy]

na, the 4090 is actually a pretty good deal for the compute you get. Its just so stupidly fast its a meme to actually utilize it to its fullest extent

[low rain]

Idk how but my shit pc can run mw2 1080p ultra graphics pretty smoothly

[echo canopy]

in something like hashcat the 4090 fucking shreads

[stray apex]

I mean
Good deal is maybe a stretch
But it is really very powerful

[echo canopy]

its price to performance is one of the best

[deft hatch]

it is a good deal compared to it's prior releases

[echo canopy]

its just really fucking fast

[last solstice]

they have to break up the die at some point though

[polar fern]

4K for gaming is 100% 🍆measuring and not relevant to real world. Most people game at 1080p 120 hz

[deft hatch]

i find it having more value than the 4080

[last solstice]

its not like they can keep going monolithic

[stray apex]

Ehh

[echo canopy]

AMD pretty much already said their chiplet on rx 7k is the limit of what they can do

there is little gains to be made there besides using a cheaper process for some of the die

[pale bloom]

or for if you have a bigger screen

[deft hatch]

to be fair, the 4090 isn't targeted towards gamers exclusively

[stray apex]

If you only look at 30-series during COVID, maybe?
$1.7k MSRP is really high

[echo canopy]

It depends on what you are doing

[low rain]

1080p 144hz for me

[last solstice]

nvidia though

[polar fern]

“During Covid” Meanwhile still ongoing.

[low rain]

Huge monitors on 1080p look weird

[stray apex]

No?
GPUs are not expensive rn
As long as you ignore the new launches

[echo canopy]

iirc 1 4090 can do 2 petaflops of int4 math?

[stray apex]

You can get a 6700 for like $300

[deft hatch]

well look at the 20 series. horrible value and mediocre at best ray tracing performance

[last solstice]

bet RDNA4 will be like ZEN2 (coping so hard rn)

[polar fern]

That’s not what I was pointing out

[stray apex]

20 series was just Nvidia releasing their cool new features that definitely were not ready yet

[deft hatch]

at the time as well, the ray tracing wasn't being fully utilized

[last solstice]

that 6900xt is being sold for 500 open box

[stray apex]

30 series would've been killer at msrp

[deft hatch]

more like a gimmick at the time. just not good value, youre paying for something you can't use

[blazing orchid]

covid and the shortage are two different damn things that happened at the same time

[last solstice]

ofc im gona get that instead of anything else

[deft hatch]

true the 3080 at msrp is the king of value

[polar fern]

@blazing orchid exactly

And they are related to a degree

[deft hatch]

this is to say, i'm not mad at their pricing for the 4090

[mild otter]

What's better a steam deck (I can upgrade the storage) or an rx6600xt (I have a rx580 8gb and it plays all my games at max settings)

[stoic beacon]

Steam deck

[deft hatch]

two diff machines

[stray apex]

Ironically the 30-series where Nvidia tried to go back to competitive pricing was when they learned that people would pay actually way more for a gpu

[deft hatch]

if you are mobile, steam deck is a great deal, but u cant compare to a desktop

[mild otter]

With what I do not really

[last solstice]

you shouldnt be mad at the 4090

[wild quiver]

oh my god I didn't see the discord hahahaha

[last solstice]

what you should be mad about is the 4080ti and whats next to come

[deft hatch]

u mean the 4080 12gb

[last solstice]

same shit

[deft hatch]

that was a joke

[last solstice]

[mild otter]

I can play mw2 2022 at maximum settings but the steam deck plays some of my favorite games and compared to my modded switch is a emulator powerhouse

[polar fern]

They launched the 3000 series at the height of the pandemic supply chain disruptions & remote work demand spike.

[deft hatch]

steam deck is mobile. are you gaming outdoors? are you inside a lot?

[last solstice]

trust me nvidia is manipulating the market

[stray apex]

Steam deck is only worth it if you game away from home a lot

[mild otter]

I'm inside a lot but without detail multiple households and desktops aren't mobile

[deft hatch]

i always wondered why it took them so long to introduce lhr 30 series gpu's too

[stray apex]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-i-am-the-senate-gif-10270130

[deft hatch]

you cant compare then. id look into laptops

[last solstice]

you cant play satisfactory in bed with your desktop

[stray apex]

Nvidia isn't manipulating the market, Nvidia is the market

[deft hatch]

steam deck is underwhelming as your only device if youre a serious gamer imo

[stray apex]

Dunno how well that would run on deck

[mild otter]

I have a laptop but steam deck is smaller and both run Linux so

[last solstice]

which is why its so easy for them to do so

[mild otter]

It's not my only device at all

[echo canopy]

not really? you are paying for literally more gpu die space then ever before because compute density isn't gonna get much better

[deft hatch]

whats their market share, like 17% vs 12% with AMD?

[deft hatch]

what else do you have

[last solstice]

pretty decent actually (40 fps all low on a computer that is like 30 to 40% worse than a deck)

[stray apex]

I'm pretty they control 80% of the dgpu market

[stray apex]

Yeah, but gamepad support? Text size?

[dreamy rose]

nvidia at 75% while AMD at 15%

[polar fern]

September 2020 was really challenging for tech inventory because 1. Remote work. 2. Tons of new remote school. 3. Global supply chain was on fire in a ditch.

[mild otter]

Desktop, 2 laptops, modded switch, Wii, 3 3ds's

[deft hatch]

no i just looked, its over 80

[mild otter]

I'm not short on choice

[last solstice]

bindings maybe idk

[deft hatch]

do you need a steam deck then lol

[dreamy rose]

Steam says otherwise

[mild otter]

But the steam deck could make carrying multiple things into one (and I can play play station games better than my laptop (my desktop can do it fine but it's heavy large and battery is dying)

[echo canopy]

steam is just gamers, it does not include server statistics where nvidia dominates rn

[stray apex]

How
It literally only does one thing

[deft hatch]

well not everyone who has a dgpu owns a steam acc

[polar fern]

No one -needs- a steam deck let’s be real here.

[last solstice]

I has question how much does breaking up the die into tinier peaces hep with the costs

cause more yeilds and such\

[dreamy rose]

speaks a lot about Desktop owners.

[deft hatch]

steam deck is limited. i mean u can use it as a mini pc with a monitor, but the shitty res will show with a bigger screen

[echo canopy]

little as you also need a efficient interconnect between them adding more materials in general as well as R&D costs

[elfin jetty]

You rang?

[mild otter]

Emulators it's arch Linux based of there isn't an emulator I want on steam then I just run a sudo pacman -S and I have the emulator

[elfin jetty]

I also have a steamdeck and i love it

[pale bloom]

depends on how large the original die would be

[stray apex]

Basically, if there are too many defects on a chip you can't use it
And if a chip is bigger, the odds of there being a defect on it go up
So smaller chips are cheaper to make because they're less likely to have defects per chip

[deft hatch]

seems like you want us to say steam deck and are just asking for a little nudge

[pale bloom]

cutting up an already small die has no use

[last solstice]

R&D happens once. your die yields being low is infinite

[polar fern]

Chiplet is more forgiving to wafer losses on the whole.

[echo canopy]

R&D cost is nearly every generation

[pale bloom]

cutting up a large die like a 4090 would give very large savings but will decrease perf by some amount

[mild otter]

On no I'm for the steam deck I'm looking if there is a better reason to choose the rx6600xt

[deft hatch]

as a gpu replacement? what is your current gpu

[last solstice]

so like im assuming that nvidias cost in the 4090 comes alot from the die being so fukin big

[sharp steeple]

I'm not sure what these two points have to do with eachother. A large group of people doing one thing is unrelated to a smaller group of people who can both afford to and enjoy something else. I've been PC gaming for over 20 years now and have seen many varying levels of hardware and I'm at a point in my life financially where a large 4K high refresh HDR (and now OLED) display is something I can afford and find greatly enjoyable.

Nothing is being measured, video games are simply being enjoyed. No gatekeeping necessary, we're all doing the same thing.

[last solstice]

yea but its more focused on other stuff compared to the same interconnect again and again

[mild otter]

An rx580 8gb but I don't run games heavier than mw2 2022 and pavlov I play more on quest

[stray apex]

Big die is expensive, yeah

[polar fern]

Cool novella breh

[elfin jetty]

Eh if they have a big ass screen then 4k isnt just for dick measuring

[deft hatch]

what games do you usually run? do you feel limited in your performance?

[echo canopy]

its not like they can make it that much smaller by going chiplet, just look at rx 7k

[polar fern]

Most 4K is ass quality as well

[elfin jetty]

What?

[echo canopy]

the die in general is going to get bigger if we want faster gpus

[deft hatch]

that has nothing to do with the res tho

[last solstice]

I feel like their cu is still the big one in the middle

they have not broken it up yet right ?

[echo canopy]

you cant break up the CUs

[last solstice]

F

[elfin jetty]

My guy what could you possibly be smoking? I want to stay as far away as possible

[sharp steeple]

You seem incredibly ignorant on the topic. But hey, we can enjoy different things.

[polar fern]

The vast majority of people do not spend large sums of money on gaming/tech.

[sharp steeple]

This is accurate for any hobby. I'm not sure what point is being made.

[pale bloom]

look up the mi300 if you want an example of a giant die that has to be in chiplets

[polar fern]

Ignorant. What’s your salary, 80k+ usd/yr?

[deft hatch]

i think he's referring to shit bitrate giving poor quality to a high res

[mild otter]

I've been mostly been playing cod mw2 dead estate pizza tower and Minecraft and I don't feel super limited but if there is a new game I really want that's either pcvr only or too heavy for the 580 then I'm unsure

[polar fern]

It’s not a hobby to spend money 😬

[echo canopy]

thats a fucking apu and multiple ones at that lol

[stray apex]

What do you play at, 1080?

[elfin jetty]

Have you seen my setup

[mild otter]

Yeah

[last solstice]

all I want

[deft hatch]

it's hard to say, but if you can't decide, flip a coin. don't fall into analysis paralysis, it'll just regress your decision making

[stray apex]

Eh
If you don't play modern games the 580 might last a bit
It's getting long in the tooth though

[last solstice]

is something like apple where they can break up the die without an interconnect

[pale bloom]

similar class chips have been made with one monolithic die like 10 years ago

[last solstice]

which is what im assuming they do already

[polar fern]

Anyways here in the real world we try to save money, not casual 3-5k for a pc & another 1k for a screen

[deft hatch]

btw anyone pissed at apple

for their m2 pro one nand chip situation

[sharp steeple]

Travel, cars, audio, hell hiking, all has a cost. This is a very poor point you're trying to make, though I'm not sure I (or you) is clear on what that is.

[polar fern]

A cost

[mild otter]

I only play one modern game. I have a 3060 but I'm selling it due to me being done with Nvidia's shit and amd is just plain better on linux (I use the windows drive for mw2)

[pale bloom]

safe to say you just don't get it

[polar fern]

Imagine thinking everyone partakes in high income activities

[deft hatch]

what's wrong with nvidia's shit

[dreamy rose]

anyone tried seeing how fast a 4090 would die without its Cooler?

[pale bloom]

no one said that

[mild otter]

Their drivers on Linux fucking suck

[deft hatch]

the masses have a hobby. they indulge in one way or another

[dreamy rose]

everything

[pale bloom]

the only opinion you are arguing with is that 4k has a benefit

[mild otter]

And I primarily use linux

And all but 1 game I play is windows only so I know my games run under linux

[last solstice]

?? context

[sharp steeple]

Did someone imagine that? In once sentence, what point are you trying to make. I'll do mine.

Some people enjoy things you don't and that's ok.

[polar fern]

My point is that the % of humans on earth which spend srs money on tech is very low.

[stray apex]

I mean
I wouldn't recommend selling a 3060 to buy a 6600xt, since I'm pretty sure you're just losing money for similar performance

[sharp steeple]

Did someone say otherwise? Is there something wrong with that small percentage?

[mild otter]

I'm probably gonna take this advice

[pale bloom]

and so that makes it not a hobby?

[polar fern]

And the people @ing me are definitely in that tiny percent

[deft hatch]

to be fair i had to reset my drivers, but besides that, been solid for a year. i appreciate their exploration into utilizing the gpu in different areas such as their super resolution

[mild otter]

Well that's the point stupid or not. I'm changing brands

[deft hatch]

i dont see amd doing that

[stray apex]

Super resolution is pretty much just amd open sourcing their dlss competitor so games will actually support it

[sharp steeple]

This is a tech focused discord, there will be people who can afford to spend more and less. Where are you going with this. Obviously there will be more that can spend less.

[polar fern]

Y’all mad that you been outed and it’s hilarious.

[deft hatch]

base m2 pro has a 512 ssd with one nand chip instead of it's prior m1 model. it's half the speed of the 1tb model ssd

[sharp steeple]

Outed for what, exactly?

[stray apex]

That is completely pointless, but uh
It is just a hobby so whatever makes you happy

[echo canopy]

NVIDIAs super resolution sucks ass and there are already third party tools that are just better

[pale bloom]

this is just trolling ok lol

[queen spire]

Do you really need heatsink ramsticks? Is it a big big deal?

[polar fern]

No dude no

[last solstice]

no user will feel the difference trust me

[deft hatch]

not saying it's completely effective, but i don't see amd trying anything like that

[polar fern]

As I said, before, most people do not use a computer with a 4K monitor.

Most people do not have a high-end gaming computer either

[pale bloom]

you are actually just the devil

[deft hatch]

not the issue. it's a pro model. they shouldn't be skimping on shit like this to penny pinch

[stray apex]

It does actually make higher memory programs run worse especially if you don't upgrade the ram

[pale bloom]

I refuse to believe you are genuine

[echo canopy]

AMD needs to actually be adopted by things like tensor flow before they can do anything. or see ROCm get any adoption at all

[dreamy rose]

arent their SSDs just NAND on a board?

[mild otter]

It's primarily for the brand change. I know I'm loosing money but honestly I don't have a job so if I sell it I'd just have enough for the 6600 or a steam deck

[last solstice]

true ig

[sharp steeple]

Both valid points. Is there a conclusion or are you just making a statement.

[polar fern]

I’m sorry that you spending huge amounts of money on tech for fun not being mainstream makes you upset? 🤷‍♂️

[pale bloom]

like what were we even outed for lmao

[dreamy rose]

people need to get over being nvidia fanboy and buy and use Radeon

[deft hatch]

and i'm especially butthurt because i bought the base m2 pro without doing some due diligence. i just assumed it would share the same speeds as the m1 pro

[last solstice]

apple machines are literally not made for proffecionals. they just label it pro so that the consumer buying it feels smth.

[sharp steeple]

Who's upset?

[stray apex]

Lmao no

[pale bloom]

delusion simulator 2023

[stray apex]

Do you think apple makes final cut for fun

[polar fern]

Show me where the majority of people are playing with 4K

[deft hatch]

they solder nand chips to the board so yeah

[last solstice]

I mean professionals. phd people. lab people. people who work in the field

[deft hatch]

no no no youre wrong

[polar fern]

Define professional

[stray apex]

Fucking PhD people aren't professionals lmao

[waxen pier]

Wait not been changed back yet lol?

[polar fern]

Um

[stray apex]

Of all the definitions of professionals you could've used
Why would you pick "PhD student"

[echo canopy]

Thats not the issue, currently AMD just sucks software side when it comes to compute library.
You're only real options are openCL which SUCKS or vulkan compute which most people don't like because it requires far more boiler plate (but means you can also make far more performance gains)
nvidia has cuda

[deft hatch]

final cut pro performs way better on macos

[last solstice]

what I wana say is that the professionals targeted by apple are not the same professionals that want to run simulations on super computers

[polar fern]

A professional simply means someone who does something for pay.

[stray apex]

What do you mean supercomputers don't run macos

[echo canopy]

apple is meant for artistic people and nothing else really

[last solstice]

exactly

[polar fern]

Erm

[last solstice]

I mean cs people also benefit

[polar fern]

Virginia Tech might have something to say about that

[deft hatch]

i think most users (who are indifferent to the os they use) would switch to macos if it shared the same amount of compatible programs as windows

the battery life is incomparable

[sharp steeple]

Once again, maybe I missed it, but did someone profess this to be the case?

[polar fern]

It’s okay man, just let it go

[last solstice]

this is fax. but I would switch to linux if the user experience was the same as what top of the market share looks like

[echo canopy]

only because they have good battery life

[polar fern]

I should probably feed the cats

[stray apex]

That's pretty much just burning sneakers to spite nike

[deft hatch]

only

let me use my xps 15 oled for more than 5 hours...oh wait i can't

[last solstice]

arm: its a fun architecture to build on. like it srsly has potential tbh

[echo canopy]

I mean something like endeavor with KDE will give you a windows 7 like experience without all the MS bullshit

[stray apex]

It's not really the same

[mild otter]

I have a reason to switch. I actually do like nvidia and their cards but their Linux drivers killed it for me and I don't use windows very often

[last solstice]

arch based unstable

[stray apex]

Yeah, I mean if it's better then probably just get the 6600 since I doubt a 580 will work well in new games

[forest valve]

That sentence is really dangerous if you replace the R in artistic

[deft hatch]

what if you have issues with amd drivers on linux

[last solstice]

you have to make it stable enough so that the avrage user doesnt break it

[echo canopy]

ARM has no real advantage over x86. All cpus internally are actually quite similar. Everything is converted to microopts that that specific cpu understands

[polar fern]

@forest valve don’t

[forest valve]

I'm getting sick of KDE tbh

[dreamy rose]

KDE isnt like Windows, its better than Windows has ever been. And if you want 7 like then you should be looking at KDE 4

[forest valve]

Very buggy and always crashing

[echo canopy]

Its not and its quite annoying people like you keep perpetuation the idea

[last solstice]

this is like saying all fruits are the same they are made out of the same cells that where around 1 million years ago

[forest valve]

I was taking a test for my course and the whole system locked up on me lol and I had to restart the display manager

[dreamy rose]

Average GNOME Fan (says KDE is buggy but has never used it)

[forest valve]

My brother in Christ I have used KDE for like 6 months now

[golden talon]

then why are ARM laptops so much more efficient than x86 laptops

[echo canopy]

The only real difference between instructions sets is the decoders that converts them to microopts

[deft hatch]

are you guys talking about plasma?

[forest valve]

Yes

[last solstice]

I had pop os. literally no other os installed. every 3 months it broke. I fixed it every time without needing a complete re install.

I still have pop os

[golden talon]

Apple M2 shits all over intel and AMD cpus in efficiency

[echo canopy]

because the cores themselves are designed to be power efficient ||aka shit performance||

[mild otter]

I don't and not many people do. linux has native support for amd cards with amd drivers even being built into the kernel. Amd drivers problems are only issues with legacy cards and that's because they use a different driver that's just a 1 command install

[forest valve]

Arch is a pain to manage I will agree with that

[dreamy rose]

Pop is Ubuntu, not Arch

[golden talon]

Apple proved this wrong

[last solstice]

thus us fax ^^

[forest valve]

"apple proved this" is the problem with this statement

[echo canopy]

nope, mobile ryzen 5k actually beats the M1 if you include multicore benchmarks

[last solstice]

im sorry im supposed to believe that an arch based distro is more stable than pop os ?

[forest valve]

Arch is not designed to be stable it's designed to be bleeding edge and rolling release

[last solstice]

apple has not proved shit yet.

[echo canopy]

the issue with "x86" is that cores are just allowed to boost as hard as they want and murder their own power efficiency

[dreamy rose]

you said "Arch Unstable bad" and when you were told to explain you said "Pop OS failed on me"

[forest valve]

You can't really complain about arch stability though it's not designed to be stable

[last solstice]

exactly. what im saying is that linux is not ready for the average (and I literally mean average) user

[echo canopy]

Arch isnt bleeding edge and never has been. We are on stable releases like most distros and even hold back packages in the name of stability. If you want to ague about it at least be fucking right

[forest valve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1090561076015419432.png?quality=lossless&size=48

[mild otter]

@deft hatch oh yeah, I sometimes use Wayland which if you know anything about Linux you know just isn't always pleasant with Nvidia especially hyprland

[left vine]

you do realize you were fundamentally arguing about chips on literally different architectures, ARM is RISC and x86_64 is CISC ...

[stray apex]

Linux isn't even ideal for many enthusiasts, since a lot of people become PC enthusiasts via gaming and while proton is great it's still not as good as windows

[last solstice]

comparison test. something that should be more stable is not stable. there by the other thing is also not stable

[echo canopy]

Nvidia has incomplete drivers, thats why wayland sucks

[golden talon]

What im looking at is the M2 completed the BMW render in 4:26 while the R7 6800U completed it in 4:16 and the i7 1260p completed it in 4:22 while the M2 consumed like half the power

[last solstice]

god please its like so fucking close though.

[left vine]

Wayland sucks because X is about as old as Linux itself, Wayland is a 2yr infant

[forest valve]

10 seconds!!!!! OMG

[stray apex]

Anticheat be like:

[last solstice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/746132637508436059/837266392570527744/829036193172815933.gif

[echo canopy]

If you don't control their boost behavior and other factors

[last solstice]

epic embed fail

[mild otter]

Wayland isn't bad on AMD and honestly I can't see any difference between them other than it's less bloated.

[golden talon]

High performance set in windows power plan thats all

[echo canopy]

i can have a very power efficient cpu and let it boost so hard that it cuts its efficiency in half ||aka FUCKING RYZEN 7K||

[golden talon]

also in Adobe Premier the M2 got 559 points while the 6800U got 255 points and 1260p got 301
Adobe After Effects M2 scored 832 while the 6800U got 468 and 1260p got 480 points

[dreamy rose]

it doesnt suck. its Nvidia that sucks

[left vine]

yeah, most dont remember that X is OLD, like older than the most of the people complaining about Wayland 😛

[last solstice]

wayland is bad because the devs are... eehh.. they just want everything to be perfect but in the real world nothing is perfect

[golden talon]

so apple's take on ARM just straight up shits all over x86

[stray apex]

Nvidia sucks because amd sucks so Nvidia doesn't care about not sucking

[dreamy rose]

my steam list runs on linux just fine

[stray apex]

For Nvidia to stop being shit Intel or AMD need to actually compete

[echo canopy]

like i said, you are talking them out of context

[mild otter]

X also has a lot of bloat

[left vine]

@last solstice X is older than me, Im 38. Its OLD, OLD OLD, we're talking Apple IIe OLD.

[dreamy rose]

the thing is AMD doesn't. AMD is good with Linux

[last solstice]

ik I live to much on th internet

[stray apex]

Oh wow, they're good with the least popular desktop OS that's not even actually one OS and is actually a fragmented ecosystem which we combine for convenience? Oh no, whatever will Nvidia do?

[left vine]

@last solstice with that age comes maturity, Wayland isnt about, oh everything has to be perfect, its about, we have to do it right - so it lasts just as long as is able to be upgraded

[bright stump]

i'm getting this for 2 grand. good price?

[last solstice]

I hate x I would give anything for wayland to have imperfect frames

[golden talon]

i mean all of the benchmarks im looking at here have the x86 processors beat with comparable performance with half the power. feel free to show me stuff that proves me otherwise

[left vine]

@bright stump hell yeah, I love Farming Simulator 22 too!

[last solstice]

not really. in programming you can re implement alot of stuff that has already been proven good

[mild otter]

You could make that price back with all the potato's that'll help you harvest

[echo canopy]

because apple artificially has lower power limits to boost their efficiency

you can do the same thing with most x86 cpus and get massive gains

[last solstice]

alot of the devs are pretty experience so I really do think wayland can catch up in a few more years. maybe 2 or 3

[echo canopy]

also it depends on "software optimizations" as well

[mild otter]

@left vine it seems like either you haven't used Wayland or just use X is older so it must be better

[golden talon]

if you downclocked a 6800U or 1260p to M2 power envelope levels it would get absolutely crapped on lmao

[echo canopy]

if something has far more SIMD for ARM or X86 its going to preform better on arm or x86
the theoretical limitations for all of them are near identical

[left vine]

@long sapphire I use Wayland

[stray apex]

Will they be able to compete with apple performance wise, though?
M1/2 are impressive because they're both performant and efficient

[last solstice]

dont take undervolding lightly :3. undervolting is op

[mild otter]

@left vine why not X if it's so much better

[last solstice]

they suck at specific tasks

[lusty sierra]

What happened here hahahahahha

[echo canopy]

in MT yes, alto apple wins in ST due to being on a superior node as well as just having a good core design

[last solstice]

just like any other silicon in the workd

[golden talon]

lol these chips at 2X power draw barely gives competition against M2 once you undervolt it to the M2 level it'll be dogshit

[stray apex]

You can pretty comfortably edit videos on a base M1
I would prefer to avoid editing on an $800 windows laptop if at all possible

[last solstice]

probably but are they as vercetile?

[left vine]

@mild otter Im a linux user, been using Linux since ubuntu 14, im just saying X has advantages that Wayland doesnt have, because X has aged maturity - BUT wayland has more potential because when X was initially developed, the devs had no idea it Linux would become the OS it has become now days

[last solstice]

I would like to see apple silicon on servers and stuff

[golden talon]

theyre coming

[echo canopy]

Its not

[stray apex]

Doubt it
Apple has been out of the server game for years

[last solstice]

^^^ great take. I would buy into potential

[mild otter]

@left vine now that's a valid argument and I agree with that

[tardy terrace]

The duality of LTT
"It's a thing"
"It's not"

[rugged rapids]

Damn twitter is angry at Studio Wildcard 😳 (ARK devs)

[echo canopy]

If anything ampere will "take over" a sizable chunk of the serverspace well before apple even touches it

[golden talon]

The M2 Extreme was cancelled due to delays in the new TSMC node so we might see a return very soon

[last solstice]

based

[tardy terrace]

Ark devs under fire again? nooooooo

[rugged rapids]

They are asking $50 for a remaster bundled with a new game

[mild otter]

@left vine I couldn't tell what you were trying to say by your other messages

[left vine]

@mild otter it wasn't developed for "oh we need to develop it for Nvidia and AMD cards, oh and this and that and btw, it needs to be compatible with this and oh wait, 40+years later, its now a giant relatively big ass mess of a nightmare

[stray apex]

Why would TSMC experiencing delays make apple more likely to reenter the server market?

[rare gull]

Azealia Banks was an icon

[echo canopy]

AMD and Intel both will probably come out with high core count e core chips (because most arm cores are literally just "e cores")

[rugged rapids]

Not a bad deal UNTIL you realise the new game hasn’t eben shown gameplay yet

[dreamy rose]

cool. too bad i dont care

[last solstice]

literally game developer in the 2020s moment

[golden talon]

M2 Extreme was already planned and was on the roadmap but outstanding situations caused them to scrap it

It was supposed to go into the new Mac Pro

[mild otter]

True. There was no way to tell what it would become

[rugged rapids]

Fr, then another 40$ more for 5 DLCs remastered

[stray apex]

Okay
But why would that make them make an apple silicon server?
Why would people even want that? There's no software for it

[last solstice]

god can we like delete all marketing and business people

[echo canopy]

linux tecnically

[stray apex]

Are you gonna be able to use iMessage from your apple server?

[rugged rapids]

🤣

[left vine]

Linus Torvalds wanted to develop a tiny little operating system nothing big like Unix, then RMS came along and make a distro and boom, Torvalds is now in control of one of the most powerful software projects in the world, he writes an email and it can end up covering the entire tech news for weeks!

[last solstice]

bet asahi linux is about to be a banger

[tardy terrace]

This is like asking if we could eliminate all insects from earth

[echo canopy]

its only games and windows that are fucking assholes, most things are pretty easily cross platform as well as cross arch

[last solstice]

deleting insects is a bad thing though

[tardy terrace]

do you understand the ramifications

[echo canopy]

It already is, just need to finish he GPU drivers

[lusty sierra]

I edit videos on an m1 ultra or something and it’s sick. I also have an m1 air that I used to edit on but only had 250gb drive so it was a bit tight haha

[dreamy rose]

no. that means you'd wanna kill all the Lawyers too

[golden talon]

that Ultra is an absolute powerhouse

[tardy terrace]

that's my poINT

[last solstice]

asahi lina needs to work over time frf

[pale bloom]

I've always wanted to play around with a m1

[last solstice]

[lusty sierra]

Buy my air haha

[golden talon]

name your price

[echo canopy]

the ultra is pretty powerful but no where near the best at all

[dreamy rose]

only reason to muck about with an M1 is to run Android on it

[tardy terrace]

appledroid

[left vine]

Linux on M1 is going to be interesting, those devs are legends, thats some cave exploration right there i tell ya

[echo canopy]

Why when i can run arch on it?

[full fossil]

Bro its april 2 change it to ltt

[pale bloom]

yeah rosetta seems great to play with

[dreamy rose]

Phone CPU

[tardy terrace]

not for another 2 hours & 2 minutes

[last solstice]

android users when they realize their os is just a phone version of linux

[echo canopy]

It runs a ISA that most phones use but ISA really means jack shit

[golden talon]

i mean the M1 family is like a 3 year old architecture lol its damn impressive even today

[full fossil]

Oh wait linus is pst right bc?

Bc = britsh combiuia

[tardy terrace]

Yes.

[dreamy rose]

not for apple fans

[fringe wing]

Vancououououver

[tardy terrace]

PST = -8 GMT

[golden talon]

what does apple fans gotta do with anything

[echo canopy]

the M1 has good software and was able to be done on a node no other cpus were being made on
besides that its not impressive

[dreamy rose]

always wanting the top, the fastest. the best.

[stray apex]

People use iphone X still

[golden talon]

i dont think any apple fan wants that

[dreamy rose]

yes there are.

[golden talon]

i dont think anyone can answer that unless theyre an apple fan

[full fossil]

Retro Wood Grain Wallpaper Self Adhesive Shelf Liner Shelf Vinyl Paper Kitchen Drawer Furniture Countertop Cabinet Sticker 15.7 inch x 78.7 inch https://a.co/d/aPVwB1U is this good or should i get plank wallpaper

[left vine]

is there a #mac-address chat?

[dreamy rose]

there are absolutely apple fans that want the bestest, fastest piece of overpriced rubbish they can get their fingers on

[stray apex]

AMD fans buying the Radeon 7:

[tardy pine]

wdym? what’s LTT

[echo canopy]

the radeon 7 was a amazing card, just the wrong target audience

[full fossil]

Linus tech tops

[tardy pine]

this is uncle linus’ discord

[tardy pine]

never heard of him.. i only know the farmer

[dreamy rose]

oh shit did anyone Notice the linus faces in the banner?

[stray apex]

I only remember people telling me it would compete with the 2080ti in gaming

[main plaza]

I'm here to know what fertilizer uncle L would recommend we use for our taters

[full fossil]

Oh ever heard oh aprime?

[pale bloom]

they were stupid

[full fossil]

I know a guy called nephew prime

[echo canopy]

It out preformed the titan in some compute applications, a card > 3x its price

[last solstice]

man I wish I got a 1080 ti instead of a 1080

hung out with the cool kids

[dreamy rose]

is he the cousin of Optimum Pride?

[stray apex]

Almost like it was a compute GPU or something

[echo canopy]

BECAUSE IT WAS GOD DAMIT

[full fossil]

No i think brother to luke skywater

[last solstice]

both of you are fan bois KEKW

[fluid ridge]

my next computer i think will be a mac studio

[golden talon]

the titan xp in my pc does a lot of compute

[full fossil]

Not sure tho heard hes from star trek

[last solstice]

literally yall should buy intel ark

[fluid ridge]

spelt it wrong

[golden talon]

i did and it was dogshit

[dreamy rose]

fuck no

[golden talon]

i didnt expect much

[echo canopy]

intel ark is pretty nice on linux if not the very best price to performance

[fluid ridge]

well i mean it was known dookey man and you bought it anyways

not much you can do there

[last solstice]

6900xt feels like a better price/performance no ?

[golden talon]

no like i went in thinking id have basic ass functions like fan speed control

[last solstice]

cause its like 500 bucks now

[fluid ridge]

thats probably going to come in a later driver update

[golden talon]

but no you cant even control fan speeds without hacking the drivers

[dreamy rose]

oh how stupid you were

[fluid ridge]

arc is good for the AV1 encoder and decoders it has

[echo canopy]

it is but intel ark isnt nearly as bad on loonix

[stray apex]

For some reason sub-300 just feels way better

[fluid ridge]

its nice and cheap too

[last solstice]

I dont think I found any sub 300

[echo canopy]

the AV1 encoder on it sucks and is handily beat by software encoders

[golden talon]

once intel gets their shit together ill rebuy it

until then nvidia and amd shall live in harmony in my dual gpu pc

[last solstice]

maybe used gpu

[dreamy rose]

what you're not running a 40 series?

[fluid ridge]

well at least it has an av1 encoder/decoder

[golden talon]

no?

[echo canopy]

the only thing i give a shit about is the decoder

[stray apex]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1738740-REG/intel_arc_a750_8gb_pcie.html

[polar fern]

-purchases ironically-

[dreamy rose]

you arent using Nvidia unless you're running a 4090

[golden talon]

uh ok

[echo canopy]

im not using gpus

[sonic spruce]

Why?

[sonic spruce]

GTX 960

[dreamy rose]

dont tell me you like to use a CPU as a GPU

[echo canopy]

because i dont game and the stuff i do do can only be done on the cpu

[fluid ridge]

integrated is better than most people give it credit for

[dreamy rose]

only on the AMD side

[fluid ridge]

i mean look at 90% of laptops

[fluid ridge]

uh april fools?

[echo canopy]

iris Xe is actually pretty decent

[stray apex]

Do you read the RAM with your eyes

[dreamy rose]

Intel is just ass through and through

[fluid ridge]

intel integrated is far better than amd integrated no???

[last solstice]

honestly this doesnt benefit me that much tbh

[dreamy rose]

Against Vega yeah

[echo canopy]

no im actually using a tty terminal RN with a 3rd party discord client /j

[polar fern]

@echo canopy tap, can, or bottle?

[stray apex]

AMD's new rdna3 igpus are pretty neat

[sonic spruce]

Dang

[last solstice]

good to know it exists though

[echo canopy]

can

[polar fern]

Blasphemy

[sonic spruce]

True tho

[dreamy rose]

where are you getting this bullshit from? RDNA beats Iris XE

[polar fern]

Vega 11 > iris

[fluid ridge]

idk then 🤷 i thought AMD's weaknesses were it's integrated graphics, raytracing, productivity work, ai work

[echo canopy]

vega64

[tardy terrace]

vega256 when

[dreamy rose]

XD. no you clearly have had a brain fart.

[last solstice]

dang 6900xt literally goes for 500 pre owned

[stray apex]

Nah, they have pretty decent igpus now
In a gen or two they'll probably approach gtx 1060

[last solstice]

this market aint dropping

[dreamy rose]

AMD's integrated Graphics have been the best in ages.

[echo canopy]

its Igpus are the best on the market rn, RT is a scam, only because they dont have a good compute platform rn, and because they dont have a good compute platoform rn

[polar fern]

Having an intel Mac mini & amd apu pc can confirm

[golden talon]

eh theyre lacking pretty hard compared to ada this gen imo

[last solstice]

RT is a scam.
idk maybe now but l8r it might be the thing

[stray apex]

Radeon's dGPU has been struggling since vega

[golden talon]

id still take a 4080 over a 7900XTX as it stands

[stray apex]

But their igpus are great for gaming performance

[dreamy rose]

given the improvement between 680m and 780m, they havent beat the Desktop 1650. they are further than 2 gens away for sure. they are stuck with 12 CUs keep that in mind

[fluid ridge]

also raytracing is not a scam i cant play any game without raytracing on (my eyes hurt imagining how poor people with non rtx gpus play video games)

[last solstice]

cause its like easier on the compute cores if they dont have to compute reflections and they can just let the rt stuff handle it

[echo canopy]

pardon, full RT is a scam and is computationally less efficient then current rasterization tricks. for reflections its semi useful

[dreamy rose]

because you're lame

[polar fern]

Raster farian

[golden talon]

if thats what you think

[fluid ridge]

easily

[golden talon]

all the 7900XTX has over the 4080 is faster raster

[stray apex]

We'll have to see
AMD is pretty slow to update their igpus

[last solstice]

they should use RT tricks instead of raster tricks

[golden talon]

the 4080 kills it in basically everything else besides price

[dreamy rose]

RT is a Gimmick.

[golden talon]

oh it goes way way beyond RT lol

[stray apex]

RT is the future

[golden talon]

4080 has better upscaling technology, much better efficiency, frame generation and motion interpolation out the box, CUDA for acceleration, better in most productivity workloads, and can actually overclock without losing performance
And doesn't have QC issues with its vapor chamber

[last solstice]

like computationally heavy? RT should stop. the devs should start to optimize that shit to the brim

[polar fern]

Ray tracing, for all serious ghostbusters fans

[stray apex]

It's not the future now, though

[fluid ridge]

the metaverse is the future too guys

[stray apex]

RT is just better in every way except compute cost

[dreamy rose]

the metaverse is fake.

[patent pine]

Do most people still use ATX cases?

[fluid ridge]

many

[tardy terrace]

The metaverse will die a death 100x quicker than early SecondLife models.

[fluid ridge]

honestly most of these are pretty niche/dont appeal to most gamers but i dont just game so i would still take the 4080

[last solstice]

dont bring in QC into this nvidia has had its fair share of thonk to deal with

[echo canopy]

RT tricks? rasterization is just a better approximation of lights behavior then basic RT

[golden talon]

thing is the 4080 goes far beyond just gaming

[dreamy rose]

bitching on about one defective batch still?

[golden talon]

gamers make up a fraction of the computer market, news flash

[fluid ridge]

what the newspapers said about digital news

[fluid ridge]

but gamers make up most of the people buying these high end gaming marketed GPUs

[tardy terrace]

If zuck's in charge it's gonna die

[fluid ridge]

this is probably true

[echo canopy]

once you get into whats actually pathtracing you do a lot of "brute force" work you could have approximated much easier with other methods

[polar fern]

@last solstice

[stray apex]

Nah, the problem is that they're trying to make the hub before the reasons to use the hub

[golden talon]

the flexibility of being able to excel in all sorts of gaming and in all sorts of productivity workload is what makes the 4080 so much better than the 7900XTX

[dreamy rose]

it doesnt even live. a Metaverse does not exist. only Social VR.

[last solstice]

"approximation" is not the same as real. cyber punk looks really different when you use RT. it might not be visible in the shadows but in the reflections in the puddles of water you just cant get better

[stray apex]

Meta needs to go all in on gaming and ideally an MMORPG

[last solstice]

thonk

[fluid ridge]

this is true for sure, but like i mentioned earlier most gamers are not going to be working with CUDA or AI, editing or upscaling videos, encoding or decoding videos, etc.

[polar fern]

Mhm

[stray apex]

It's crazy how hard meta is ignoring the most popular/second most popular use of VR

[fluid ridge]

most gamers buy a tank of a card to play at max settings

[dreamy rose]

they need to get rid of their boomer stigma before they do anything

[golden talon]

most may not be, but for the some that are (and the others that also buy it just for productivity) its still a big plus

[stray apex]

That's why they changed their name

[last solstice]

all im saying is that RT should also start using tricks that would approximate the ray more instead of just going full bore and RT everything

[echo canopy]

i mean you literally can get the same thing with raster but that is a case where RT would probably be more optimal and a justifiable use case. Not for PTGI

[fluid ridge]

if you're purely gaming get a 7900XTX, if you care about RT in gaming or do any productivity/non gaming get a 4080

[dreamy rose]

and it failed still

[golden talon]

Also consider how AI art and generation is becoming HUGE, there are many people in this server who are switching to nvidia because being able to work with AI is much much easier on nvidia cards

[fluid ridge]

for sure, i use my 3070 for upscaling and video editing on a daily basis

[fluid ridge]

AMD's cards neglecting AI, by choice or by lack of ability, is going to come and bite them in the ass

[dreamy rose]

if you're gaming any, RT included, get the 7900XTX.

[echo canopy]

No ones running fucking gpt-3 on their desktops. And not a lot of people can even afford gpus to run things like stable diffusion

[golden talon]

it already is

[stray apex]

No lmao
XTX raytracing benchmarks are actually sad

[last solstice]

bout to make compute in memory happen trust

[stray apex]

It's just a repeat of last time where AMD is doing okay
And then suddenly in RT they're last gen

[dreamy rose]

its Usable.

[fluid ridge]

bro its ok to admit that nvidia is better in some aspects

[echo canopy]

They literally dont have a compute platform to develop for. They need some kind of adoption before they do anything in hardware

[fluid ridge]

there's no need to white knight for AMD

[simple quail]

dedicated AI accelerators still have lots of room to come down in price for consumers

[dreamy rose]

Ryzen AI

[last solstice]

we still do not have in memory compute

[golden talon]

you can stable diffuse on a 3060 12 GB lmao

[echo canopy]

Ive yet to see a card exclusively for AI yet. Most of them are just super high end GPUS or packed with tensor cores

[stray apex]

Nvidia is better in most aspects
Which y'know
Is why they have a nigh-monopoloy

[echo canopy]

at low resolution yeah

[last solstice]

cause there was no market for it

now that investors know that AI has potential there is bound to be a market

[echo canopy]

Yes, and they are talking like it already exists when it does not

[dreamy rose]

maybe their RT is better but who gives a shit when either can't reach 120FPS native at like 4K with Max RT, you'll get the same experience

[fluid ridge]

once AI text generation becomes so accurate it's academically citable, once AI art is so realistic and undistinguishable that it completely replaces humans, once AI video generation is so accurate there is no need for VFX, there will be a revolution and whoever is making the guns will win

[golden talon]

the 3060 can generate a 1080p image in just over a second lmao

[last solstice]

so you mean america ?

[fluid ridge]

this will probably happen within the next 25 to 35 years, if not sooner

[simple quail]

yeah, because it hasn't been mainstream for long enough to properly get hardware developed for it

I believe such accelerators will be a thing in a year or two, and probably quite affordable within 5–7 years

[echo canopy]

not even high enough res for a phone wallpaper

[fluid ridge]

the "guns" in this aspect are the people who make the technology that enables these artificial intelligence, not actual guns lol

[stray apex]

25-35?
Bruh we're gonna have AI better than gpt-4 running on our phones in like 10

[golden talon]

for comparison, the 6950xt can generate a 1080p image almost 2X slower than the 3060

[fluid ridge]

text based for sure, id give art a little more time and id definitely give video more time

[dreamy rose]

yes, the way the hatred for China is going

[last solstice]

LMAO makes sense. you have to realize though running AI is like getting really cheap really fast

[echo canopy]

Eh, no, compute density gains are dead and i dont think you want to have a huge ass phone do you?

[golden talon]

in fact the 6950XT was actually slower than the 3050 in stable diffusion which is absolutely laughable

[last solstice]

so in this case there will be a point where everyone does have an AI for themselves

[fluid ridge]

moore may be dead but his law is still alive despite the claims of nvidia

[dreamy rose]

i do. more screen the better

[stray apex]

I mean, people keep saying that the American empire is dying
But all the cool shit keeps coming out of America

[last solstice]

sorta like what happened in horizon zero dawn

[echo canopy]

transistors are not getting smaller

[fluid ridge]

america is plateauing if not already plateaued - i wouldnt say it's declining but adversaries are rapidly catching up

[echo canopy]

even on TSMC "7nm" node they are still closer to 40mn in size

[stray apex]

Internet? America. PCs? America. Smartphones? America. AI? America.

[fluid ridge]

we simply make the board bigger

[echo canopy]

the die but yeah

[fluid ridge]

i forgor the word

[fluid ridge]

the ones who start it may not be the ones who make it to the end, look at the british empire for example

went from conquering a quarter of the entire planet to some isolated memed on country in europe

it's chewsday innit

[echo canopy]

It still blows my mind the US army made one of the fastest super computers in the world with a bunch of PS3s

[fluid ridge]

at the time*

[echo canopy]

yes

[simple quail]

they're really scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of performance improvements (without breaking compatibility)

consider this: in the 00s, daily driving a PC from 10 years ago was a ridiculous idea

today, a PC from 10 years ago is very realistic and many people do it

[autumn cradle]

is there an appropriate channel for getting help with a ps4 setup? idk wtf im doing consoles are hard

[tardy terrace]

#1027757333117415424

[dreamy rose]

throw it out

[patent pine]

the whole point of consoles is that they're easy

[echo canopy]

Because we dont need faster computers for most tasks

[golden talon]

because the idea of mainstream computers were not popularized or affordable 20 years ago

[simple quail]

the CPU in that thing still can't be perfectly emulated, due to those crazy SPEs/SPUs (can't remember the naming scheme)

[fluid ridge]

eh, most 10 year old computers are a pain in the ass to use

[last solstice]

I has pc from 6 years ago

[autumn cradle]

yeah until you try to add an external drive and there's no diagnostic information at all

[stray apex]

And yet, the US keeps coming up with revolutionary tech
It's almost like giving smart people shitloads of money to do stuff is good

[last solstice]

still going stonk

[echo canopy]

Thats not been true for a while and especially with the release of zen4

[fluid ridge]

my father's old desktop we still own, it was 1.3k when he bought it in 2011 or 2012 (sandy bridge, i5) and now it's absolute dookey

[patent pine]

once you get to that point, just transition to PC

[echo canopy]

and its not that it cant be perfectly emulated its that its just super slow to do so

[fluid ridge]

it was bleeding edge then, it's dookey now

[fluid ridge]

true but other countries, especially china, are partaking in this now

[last solstice]

guys can we just realize that we are all set to die in 2040

[dreamy rose]

don't insult my Architecture >:(

[autumn cradle]

already have a PC and it takes like 6 games to fill the drive in it lol (ps4 not pc)

[rugged rapids]

Average Wildcard Moment

https://www.ign.com/articles/ark-2-delayed-again-to-2024-but-a-next-gen-version-of-the-first-game-is-out-in-august

[fluid ridge]

america almost lost to japan in the 80s as the worlds largest economy before they needed to tariff and sanction the shit out of japan to keep them down

[patent pine]

https://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-22TB-Internal-Drive/dp/B0B5W1CQ8W/

[fluid ridge]

bro that costs as much as a playstation 4

[last solstice]

what is so great about america they dont even have all the people in the world in it

[autumn cradle]

do ps4 pros have 3.5inch hdds??

[dreamy rose]

better investment anyway

[last solstice]

they just have military power

[simple quail]

it might be outdated information by now but at least very recently it was still impossible to emulate everything at native speeds, even if the core processor itself has been for years

[fluid ridge]

thats all you need baby 😎

[autumn cradle]

i have a 12TB drive but it wont detect it

[stray apex]

The only really "revolutionary" thing I can think of China doing is the great firewall

[dreamy rose]

2.5 inch.

[echo canopy]

you can play darksouls at real time on a althon cpu

[fluid ridge]

and the worlds largest economy, a large chunk of the fortune 500, being the worlds reserve currency, yada yada yada yada

[patent pine]

I have a PS5 and PC so I'm conflicted too

[dreamy rose]

prolly too big then.

[last solstice]

and people think humans have evolved from being animals

[autumn cradle]

2TB doesn't work either :/

[fluid ridge]

china is starting it's own hardware manufacturing

[dreamy rose]

IIRC its a max of 2TB

[echo canopy]

I know thats a bias example im just pulling your tail

[fluid ridge]

humans are still animals my guy this never changed

[stray apex]

Sure?
So is everyone else

[last solstice]

god I just hope the 3 generations after me atleast reach some kind of agreement

[tardy terrace]

The US is pursuing it's own fabs

[patent pine]

I can't wait for chinese GPUs with amazon brand names

[dreamy rose]

lmao no US is fucking destroying the chances of China

[fluid ridge]

🤷 maybe so not a threat today but in a few years

[last solstice]

thats not a threat its a good thing

[dreamy rose]

WOMOVU GPU

[last solstice]

I want someone to keep the us at check

[fluid ridge]

???

[last solstice]

god can we stop the slow mode here its getting on my nerves

[dreamy rose]

cry about it

[last solstice]

what I hate the US

[fluid ridge]

oh, that makes sense

[dreamy rose]

who doesnt?

[fluid ridge]

i do not hate america

[stray apex]

Ehhh
By and large the US being hegemon has been a good thing
The US is largely indifferent to what other nations do, so the world has been pretty peaceful for the past few decades

Cold wars are great for technological development, but not so good for the odds of big boom

[fluid ridge]

in fact as a canadian i very much appreciate america for a free military and hundreds of billions of dollars in trade

[last solstice]

the middle east: TwT

[dreamy rose]

yeah no. not now

[fluid ridge]

which one you talking about

[last solstice]

thats a giga chad move from canada though

[last solstice]

great question. all of them

[fluid ridge]

if you're talking about afghanistan, it was because you know what happened

[last solstice]

homie that place is like a mine feild

[fluid ridge]

if you're talking about the gulf war, hussein was a pretty terrible person and ran one of the most oppressive regimes ever made

[last solstice]

you name the country I can tell you wats wrong with it

[fluid ridge]

i cant remember all of the middle eastern countries

i think the one unjustified one was when bush said iraq had nukes

[last solstice]

hussein was a bit dumb tbh

[stray apex]

Yeah, compared to the massive industrial wars prior

[last solstice]

iraq never had nukes

iran is about to thou

[fluid ridge]

yeah i know

[stray apex]

They had chemical weapons
Sold to them by Germany lol

[fluid ridge]

the germans really want their ass beat a third time fr

[tardy terrace]

This is so not the server

[stray apex]

Yes
Anyways
The US makes a lot of cool tech

[last solstice]

I want the germans to win next time :3 (not as in the fashist way. as in the new germany being so much cooler than any other country way)

[fluid ridge]

if not in the fascist way germany will never come out as a sole victor because they're practically (like every other european country) dependent on america for protection

[last solstice]

anyway the problem with the middle east is the echonomy

[wise kettle]

Going from the Linux channel to chat 1 to here is a big leap in conversation topic

[last solstice]

the economy in the middle east is basically as fucked as you think it is

[fluid ridge]

the entirety of nato is to spread american influence, you think the americans give a shit about the 1.5 million dollar annual defense budget of Luxemburg or whatever

america could solo the entirety of nato if they so choose

[tardy terrace]

Economy.

[fluid ridge]

maybe britain and france would be a little tough (nukes) but the other countries are not a significant hurdle

[full fossil]

eco nomy

[elfin jetty]

why would they

[tardy terrace]

economnomnom

[fluid ridge]

they dont, thats the point

[full fossil]

e c o n a m e

[last solstice]

you kinda have to realize that nukes are not an option

[fluid ridge]

yeah until they are

[full fossil]

ec o no me

[last solstice]

no like they will never happen

[fluid ridge]

they already did, let me take you back to august 6th 1945

[last solstice]

that was it

[fluid ridge]

you went from "that will never happen" to "that was it" my brother you are coping right now

[last solstice]

they will never happen

you cannot justify throwing a nuke

[stray apex]

Do you genuinely not understand the difference between then and now?

[last solstice]

unless you are a psychopath

[fluid ridge]

yada yada mutually assured destruction yada yada yeah i know

[last solstice]

wait even if you are a psychopath you cannot justify throwing a nuke

[simple quail]

what if you just don't justify it and throw one anyway?

[fluid ridge]

but if you corner a nuclear capable country, at one point there is no mutual destruction if you have already destroyed all they have

there is no telling what a cornered animal will do

[last solstice]

that would be called the accident that would literally erase the earth

[last solstice]

you wouldn't

[fluid ridge]

and most nukes now are not capable of levelling cities as it's inefficient and impractical, most of the stockpile is tactical, used for precise, lethal and quick damage

[last solstice]

why do you think north korea can just exist

[fluid ridge]

china?

[neon mesa]

North korea sole life purpose is to "flex" nukes

[last solstice]

the united states is "international police" right ?

[tardy terrace]

"nukes"

[fluid ridge]

if north korea was a isolated country and did not have america's biggest adversary next to it, america would have done what obama did to libya years ago, what bush did to iraq years ago, what america did to vietnam years ago

[last solstice]

yea so why would they do it

[neon mesa]

Vietnam was a failure

[fluid ridge]

china

literally china lol

[last solstice]

even if china didnt exist they wouldnt do it

[fluid ridge]

🤷 we will never know, only speculate

[fluid ridge]

also no

plenty of countries do not like america and could give 2 shits about what america has to say

[last solstice]

I mean they call themselves that

[fluid ridge]

they should stop calling themselves that lmao

[stray apex]

No?

[neon mesa]

Maybe they don't proclaim but certainly acts like one

[stray apex]

The US's appetite for foreign intervention is at this point so low that we've refused Haiti's request for peacekeeping forces

Even though Haiti is on our doorstep
And will create a refugee crisis soon

[fluid ridge]

i think haiti has nothing to offer to america

[last solstice]

says the country that literally helped the shit out of ukraine

[fiery jetty]

series thought: 12VHPWR to 8 pin adaptor, will anyone think ever that comes in angle out of box? TBH if there is a big issue with clearance and bending issue would that be wise for the manufacturer to do an angled plug from start?

[fluid ridge]

no strategic positions, no vendetta (terrorist attack etc.), no resources, no nothing

[neon mesa]

This is getting dangerously political

[fluid ridge]

they help ukraine so much because it's russia on the other side lol

[last solstice]

yea i need to sleep KEKW

[stray apex]

Yes
Let's talk farming

[fluid ridge]

an enemy of my enemy is my friend

[neon mesa]

Linus should've became a miner
Coal miner
That would've been funny especially post crypto mining

[last solstice]

define enemy when we are all literally the same species KEKW

[fluid ridge]

you know what i mean

[last solstice]

yea lets just stop there I think we cant go mroe without mods getting in

[round trellis]

server rebrand?

[neon mesa]

It's april fools

[last solstice]

linus should have made a potato crypto

[round trellis]

i see

[neon mesa]

Well at this point it was april fools

[last solstice]

tbh I would buy uncle linuses potatoes from my local grocery store

[tardy terrace]

It's april fools for another 67 minutes in LTT time

enjoy the jokes ya goobers

[fluid ridge]

LMG is actually really close to where i live

i could drive there in less than half an hour

[tardy terrace]

I've made it a goal for when I move up to Washington to attend WhaleLAN or LTX

[last solstice]

you should do the byoc lan homie

[wise kettle]

My friend doesn’t think the April fools video was a joke about Andrew Tate and he doesn’t believe anything I say

[fluid ridge]

im not going to LTX

[last solstice]

cant you just go there for BYOC

[fluid ridge]

i still wont do that

[tardy terrace]

why even discuss that human scumbag