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KITTY
Cat is ugly as heck
Stop looking in that mirror 😛
I want drive cage kitty
Oof
but based on that pic:
That's an OG DDR2 P4 or Core 2 era box...
And I have some questions about that heatsink
Bro i saw a video that a dude was pulling out a pc glass panel Plastic and he broke the pc with static charge
So like i can break my pc any time if I'm charged? Wtff how to prevent
what da cat doin
Linus and Electroboom did a video TRYING to kill a PC with static and it barely worked.
Static is NOT the danger we used to think it was.
cat pc > pc cat
i also saw that
I saw it in ''daily dose of internet''
But what if you get a pc and a cat?
✅
u wat m8?
so r u saying my pc isn't safe anytime
a static charge isnt enough power to kill a pc
cat pc
Bitch be like: mrrp meow
Then how it died
great minds
It's just REALLY REALLY unlikely to kill anything today.
Can it? Yes.
But 99.99% of the time, it won't do anything
i dont really know, i think it doesnt happen that often
Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXkgbmr3dRA&t=1s
Bro they should make a Nsfw Pc case where the parts reassmbles something uwu
i mean did it really kill the pc or did it just crash it
or was it all shenanigans staged for YT Clicks
thats possible
like a static charge has like 10,000volts but near to no amperes
Bad... Very bad. We will not be building that PC
ong
But why
I sat down with fiancee and compiled the old builds we had as much as we could! xD
Likely staged or taken out of context. That's next to impossible
There was one made iirc
Is the name AllPCRepairStation@gmail.com, a good email name for a small pc repair business?
doesn't seem bad
All it takes is one bad case of ESD to cause an immediate or latent failure, though. They try to make consumer PC components stand up to them, but it's still not a risk worth taking in my opinion. I still ground myself. Maybe it's because I work in electronics production and have ESD training more drilled into me, but still. Better safe than sorry when it comes to expensive components.

Regardless, they way Linus commonly touches gold contact pads on ram and GPU's makes me cringe every time. NO TOUCHING!
Just no
Obviously don't try to kill your stuff with static. But it's not like one rogue static zap is likely to fry your hardware.
Leave that to Hyte
Leave that to Yeston
owo
zaps
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/murakumokazuma/saved/ Browse through the profile and look at the horrible choices we made while PC building
Saved Part Lists

WHOS HYTE WHOS ZESTON
Keep in mind there might be inconsistencies since that's like 12 years ago at some point lmao
Linus, that is a Mahjong table. https://youtu.be/_ffH3LROFZY?t=1385
mmmm, Phanteks Enthoo Luxe
Remember that the first ram stick got instantly fried when they tried it, people forget that part. That is exactly what can happen. At least in the context of electronics manufacturing that is the best case scenario of ESD, worst case is field failures, especially depending on the class of product. Failure on a class 3 from ESD is very, very bad thing. ESD is more likely to fuck up your hardware in subliminal ways though, by either causing early death down the road, say dying in 5 years instead of 10, or causing other issues like killing specific components that may or may not fry your board.
So that's where he got his gambling skills
Yup, the Luxe is the reason why I love the Enthoo Pro 2 so much today
And I didn't realize that myself but apparently I used A LOT of EVGA cards
I'm still running my Enthoo Evolv ATX from... 7 years ago?
Sure - though it should be noted EndeavourOS does this automatically IIRC
I miss the build I had before my current one, the DDR4 4600 MT/s CL20 was great
Those sweet sweet 8.7ns
I miss DDR4 simply because I didn't have a Ryzen 7000 taking a minute and a half to profile my DDR5.
It pisses me off that NO reviewers I saw called that BS out.
GN did but didn't care because that's only what it does at the first or second bootup
lol...except my (and per reddit post, a lot of others) motherboard does it EVERY boot
Skill issue ig, my build doesn't do that
It's set to automatically do it, but that translates to every boot
There's no skill in this. It's set the EXPO profile and go. I can tell it to never profile, but that results in hung boots.
Ultimately, ESD is just luck of the draw when it happens. It could do absolutely nothing, it could cause an instant failure, or it could cause a latent failure down the road. The thing is, it's preventable. How you choose to prevent it is up to you, when you're working on electronics you can just occasionally touch your PC case or another piece of metal that isn't connected to anything (Worst method), you can occasionally touch your PC case/Power supply with it plugged into a grounded outlet (better method), or you can just use an ESD strap and wire that's connected to a ground point (Best method). That is what I choose to do when working on PC components, because regardless of the odds, I'd rather not risk a preventable failure.
ESD wrist strap and an ESD pad are worthwhile things when you're playing with hardware that costs as much as current hardware does.
Exactly. Personally, I would rather not take the risk. You don't even necessarily need a grounded mat as long as you're using a surface that's not electrically conductive. But you should have yourself grounded.
Is your bios updated?
I was on Asus 1222 then went to the beta firmware and still the same behavior. x670e-plus wifi
Wassup people
Even getting into the bios settings on the asus board takes a minute.
It does not and or has never done it for me
better Monitor or CPU upgrade?
got ryzen 7 1700x and shitty 60hz monitor which I upgrade first?
Monitor
You don't specifically need gsync to have higher refresh rates
No, free sync works just as well and is cheaper
There;s a built in tool to do it with EndeavourOS last I knew
and they guide you through setting it up to run automatically post boot
Is it apart of their extended utilitys? I disable that at install time
So...why bother with endeavour then
So I don’t have to deal with archinstall?
I mean....Archinstall is pretty OK honestly...
Never worked when I tried it. Either a issue with systemd or failing to even format the drive
And why do it manually when I can just do a custom install of endeavor
I had a fun experience with archinstall.. I wanted to install Arch onto software raid. At the time, there wasn't a straightforward way to do this
I ended up finding a random post on reddit with a rough guide on what to do, but it skipped major steps
I messaged the OP, and he responded with a custom build of archinstall that included a one-button raid installer
He was one of the main contributors to archinstall and that custom build eventually became the main release
he was very helpful
That's awesome. And I think any time you leave the well traveled path you'll find Archinstall isn't good enough. No clue if Calamares is either.
Software raid I think it just uncommon these days
I wish it was and raid in general.
You wish raid was uncommon or common?
TIL onedrive lets you stream flac files directly from the website/app 🤔 who needs tidal or plexamp 
anyways anyone have any good cheap cloud storage providers, currently on the 100gb microsoft 365 plan but im like 70% full already 🗿
This was about 6 years ago too. But it worked!
Google cloud storage isn't too bad, it's like $2/mo for 100gb
thats 24 dollars i could spend on more ram

i built the fastest pc i could afford and then ran out of money so i am stuck with 4 gb of ram until april 15th
11$/mo for "Unlimited" via the sus way is also possible
computer and laptop and pc got intertet but my phone does not
If you don't want pretty UI's or whatever... 3.20eur/mo gives 1tb
what would be the first thing to check ?
🫠
thats why i don't have allergies 
I don’t have allergies I have hypersensitivity caused by Covid infection back in 2020.
Backblaze is $6/mo for actual unlimited, but you don't get the nice clean GDrive interface
However that's not really a cloud storage of sorts, you need to have that data on your local machine and add to that (then sync)
how actual unlimited is the actual unlimited
You have to have the same amount of storage with you on your system 😛
so if you can afford 10x 10TB, sure, all of that can stay with backblaze for 6$ perhaps
Like actually unlimited. But ask bkj1 said, it’s a backup system
Not “throw all your shit here and delete it locally” system
theres gotta be legal language saying theres a limit
There is not
Yeah... True unlimited is sus
I have 60TB backed up through them, never paid a cent over $6/month
My entire NAS is duplicated on their servers
Mhmm....
Is backblaze encrypted backups?
Nice, doing it via Windows right?
does windows have a limit on how much storage you can have on it?
Essentially, they start losing money once you store over 1.7 TB through them. But the vast majority of users have way less, so it’s profitable despite data whales like me
most users have 256gb macbooks backed up lol
Yeah, unfortunately. I want to switch it over to a linux server so I can do some other tasks on it.
Backblaze Linux costs a lot more (it's a business plan) but there's a way you can run their consumer windows software through Wine
Probably single drive limits, maybe look at NTFS and amount of drive letters assignable, otherwise, no I assume
Per their site:
All your files are encrypted before being transmitted over SSL and stored encrypted.
I mean, the limit is how big an NTFS partition can be, how big GPT supports
Well then I'll look into backing my synology NAS up I suppose!
Their native linux backup is per gigabyte, not per month, and ends up being costly. Only workaround is a third party Wine wrapper
Wait...wtf? They seriously limit it by API?
so from https://uefi.org/sites/default/files/resources/UEFI_Drive_Partition_Limits_Fact_Sheet.pdf, Using 64-bit values, GPT can handle disks of up to 9.4 x 1021 bytes or 9.4 zettabytes (ZB).
so assuming you can have like 26 drives on windows, a casual limit of 244.4 zettabytes.
different product alltogether more so
It's $0.005 per gigabyte per month for the B2 Business plan. The unlimited $6/month only applies to personal windows and mac machines
unless you're willing to do some Wine trickery
lol so I just need to use the Windows app (via Wine), mount the NAS in Linux and back up my whole NAS
Yyyyup
🤦♂️ That is a really silly way to partition your services.
Are drive letters still a limit in Windows?
I have no idea
I think it's A thru Z but you can use the GUID to access a drive too
I just find it hard to believe
there are probably plenty of workarounds
Anyone have a comparable build to the 4090 Corsair prebuilts? Like for less
I have a 918+ that can run VMs too....so I guess I could make a Windows VM and use that lol. "My NAS IS my personal PC what are you talking about?"
https://www.reddit.com/r/backblaze/comments/sjmbws/comment/hvgqo6s/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Here's one of their devs explaining why no linux app. IMO it makes sense.
8 votes and 33 comments so far on Reddit
TLDR The personal plan is supposed to be set-and-forget, having a linux client would 1) increase average storage size per user 2) require them to maintain a more advanced system with CLI and extra tinkering, which they'd rather provide with the business client. Both of these would increase operating costs a lot
Beautiful
I think they wouldn't be able to make a better system than restic with plugins anyway
"increase average storage size per user" - only because that opens the door to servers, right?
Yep 100%. If you're looking to run backup on a linux machine, odds are WAY higher that you're data hoarding
@near nymph
yeah and the vast majority of their users are storing a tiny amount
Read the linked comment on Reddit. They say the break even
What am I looking at? DNA?
Vast majority are below 1TB
Something like 95% of Personal Backup customers store less than 1 TByte - and every single one of them would SAVE MONEY by switching to Backblaze B2
Essentially, they make most of their money from people who just want a super simple backup for their single windows SSD
Oow
From that chart, they make plenty of money on B1
Do they have an app so I can backup all my photos?
Also having full control over the entire datacenter helps on costs
Well wait no....I don't know that. I'd need to look at cost per GB to figure out if they make money.
Not really, unless the photos are on your windows machine
Their internal cost per gig is somewhere in that thread, and it's less than the public B2 rate
So yeah they profit off every gig stored through B2
Mhmm...
Oh, well that's neat. I want services like B2 to stick around.
@peak phoenix Looks like it's just under $4.90/month per terabyte stored for operational cost
So at $5/terabyte/month for B2, plus their extra profit on sub-terabyte personal users, they're making a couple bucks lol
Yes, but not enough for it to hurt the bottom line
Don't services like Dropbox operate the same way?
Kinda, not really. Their unlimited plan is for businesses and like 4 times as expensive per user
Guy was a dumbass, but punishing people for this is how you get more people falling for it without speaking up
While we're on the topic of Linux server backup, I feel like borg, restic (software) and rsync( the service) are worth mentioning. Personally I use borg but restic is also good software. Both borg and restic offer client-side encryption and deduplication while rsync is good if you're a ZFS user(offering the same features as the other two).
They can't reverse the check? Surely the bank didn't "lose" 100K US
Those are local network solutions right? It's been a minute since I looked into those
borg and restic can back up to cloud solutions such as amazon S3, backblaze and borgbase, among others
I guess it depends. If it was a wire transfer and wasn't caught for several weeks, odds are that money 
The school’s skeptical business manager eventually learned of the arrangement and managed to cancel the transaction
So this is a totally no harm situation except for maybe some sleepless nights.
eventually
Not worth canning someone over.
Yeah especially if they got it back
Sounds like it was mostly from angry parents/staff, who are probably unfamiliar with this kinda shit
anyone here use apache server
I am trying to find out how to change the template for the port :8080 file to change "<h1> This is a host </h1>"
its on ubuntu
Did you ask chatgpt 
yes and its stupid
I thought that you hate Linux
I do its for my assignment
Just do it on WSL2 
60% of my setup is from bingGpt
That explains so much
It's not in /var/www/html?
Do you know anything about the lian li strimers
Yeah, I have one. It's pretty lights for a lot of money. You're only paying for looks. So, you know, it's a waste
Wouldn't get the GPU ones as you want a clean power signal to those
Unless you want the thing that you look at all day to look good
No
You're looking at your monitor silly goose
It's a template thing because even 127.0.0.2 has it
I guess

what does the documentation say?
all i needed was non latex moving gloves
work no give you non latex gloves I see
yup i cut my hands so many time and was forced to buy my own gloves
rip
did some reading and they needed to give me some
I made my film dep transition to non latex gloves also but that was like last semester lol
And also was able to get one of my classmates to take work gloves from home depot to donate to the tv studio so we have 30 pairs for students to use if they do not have their own
my work was too cheap to spend $60 bucks a year on me in gloves
I have these types. Enough to not get splinters from theater sets lol
but horrible if you are packaging items, someone told me they went through 5 of them within 5 months
Should sue for hazard pay lol
Didn't check
yeah it is lmao
https://www.evga.com/Products/Specs/GPU.aspx?pn=465f833d-a2ae-49a5-afdd-ec831b97b091
https://www.evga.com/products/specs/gpu.aspx?pn=5c293ec3-c729-4a91-a80d-2add1f459407
ftw3 is a better card. It's odd you paid for one thing and got another though. Where'd you buy from?
I'd use gpuz to validate the card
ok good luck in your travels
Why would anyone try to scam someone out of $15 for a 660ti
He’s going to be rich
That is a card that appears to exist?
They did
@full fossil it's linked here. They sold it.
Well, it's an ftw, not ftw3 but that's not too far off
It's a 660, at this point the differences are negligible
why buy a 660ti?
As long as it shows as working as expected - maybe benchmark it to verify the scores match what you expect from a 660ti. Beyond that, meh...it's a 660ti and isn't go to be gaming anymore.
$15
it's like buying a turd, and getting a polished turd instead
I mean, I guess you could use it for retro gaming or maybe as a display adapter
I think someone tested that. You can, in fact, polish a turd.
If you can't stand AMD, either buy a 750 Ti for $30~$50 or don't buy
tomato tomato, it's 11 years old
of course you can
600/700 series except the GTX 750 and 750 Ti cough
Is this for collecting or actually gaming?
Tbh for what I do the 660 Ti would probably be fine, but I'd still not buy it, lol
Oof
Ram kit came in
6400 CL32
Sweet
I wonder if those drivers would actually work on newer Windows installs. I had a capture card where the drivers half-work, on anything past 1909
Do you guys recommend using windows 10 on a 7200rpm hard drive?
Avoid at all costs
What? Through the M.2 connector?
Good, how do I convince my dad?

And you're gonna hook it up to another monitor?
That's the jankiest thing I've ever heard
Mine is external
Yes, that is still not a justification
No matter what GPU you choose, you will choke the shit out of it, it's barely gonna run if at all
Do you also have a psu
That's not what they mean by choke
I dunno if they designed the m.2 connector on your laptop to power a 660ti
I'm not sure that's designed to power a gpu
Btw I sat together with my fiancee and we more or less compiled a list of all the pc builds we had together, if you want to, you can flame us for our horrible build decisions between 2011 and 2023
You should also make sure that m.2 port is actually compatible with what you're trying to do, and not pinned/keyed for something else
Considering it's a wifi card, that's an E key slot
wifi card lmao, not the m.2
You also need to make sure that your motherboard supports egpu's
M.2 spec is rated for 7w of power delivery
There's no way in hell he can run that thing off that slot
R3 2200g > gtx 660ti
I don't think the 660ti will run off of 7w
External power supply frankenstein configuration? :P
At that point he can just buy a new computer
Well, they're trying to run a 660, I think this is just a goofing around project
You're aware you won't be able to use the laptop screen, right?
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/murakumokazuma/saved/ The builds are all there, I just use his account lol
Saved Part Lists
Which is the most egregious
I have no idea, they all are kinda weird tbh lmao
I came to the realisation that we used A LOT of EVGA cards though, I never really paid attention to that
How are you going to power it? Surely the wifi slot is limited.
It'll not provide more than 10w
If it really is just a x1 slot, the bus will not provide more than 10w
Yeah. And the PCIe spec for desktops says the PCIe slot should have 75W. No way this works.
lol
Jank asf
That's great, that doesn't mean it'll magically provide 150w
Build 9 are our current builds, obviously
Most cards refuse to let the system boot unless you connect the right power to the additional power stuff
So even if the PCIe slot feeds the card 140W, you still need to plug something in the card's 6/8 pin spots.
Hey, maybe you should listen to all the people telling you this won't work. They know more than you. Just an idea.
I mean, if you can get enough power to the x16 connector and the 6-pin it'll probably work?
That's the thing, he won't
Assuming the card will accept being connected to a 1x slot.
I don't know why this product would even exist though
Did you not watch the LTT video of all the jank stuff they could buy on aliexpress?
Or don't listen, that's cool too
If you care about this laptop, do not proceed IMO.
It probably has its exclusive use somewhere, otherwise it wouldn't exist
He said he's running furmark on it, so he's gotta desktop PC, not sure why go to all the trouble to break a laptop like that
Only thing I can imagine is that you want to power something that's wired for x1 but has a physical x16 slot for some dumbfounding reason
IIRC some of the 10G NICs out there have 16x pinouts but only need 4x
This is very "they're the same connector so it must work" mentality. You should snag one of these cables too
Thinking of janky connections...I want to put TB4 in my 7900x system and drop my PC in my network closet and have a TS4+ in my office connected to it.
omg the stupid filter in this server.
These have a real use. They're dangerous asf if you don't know what it's for.
I needed to power my whole home from two 120V generators so I built a BAD WORD plug. Just couldn't turn on 240V appliances since my two 120V generators were not phase matched.
That was the joke, yes :P
I love me a su icide cord
I don't think that was the joke
Wth are you trying to explain his own joke to him
Shrug. I saw his making a joke about the same connectors working because they fit. Another user saying that cable he was using as an example is actually useful if you know what you're doing with it. Then sanic says that he knows?
which is it? you know or is it your joke about connectors?
So you didn't understand anything he said, got it
Fun filter on that bad word right?
I built one that plugged into the dryer plug...but the dryer is an old run - no ground. So I had an extra plug coming out just to connect to ground of another circuit.
Easy, peanut gallery
Yeah, understand why tho. Good to hear the dryer still going stron.g We have a 1990's dryer here too, lasts longer then the new ones
I'm aware that cable has a very specific use if you know what you're doing. But it's also dangerous if you don't know what you're doing.
That kid trying to stuff a GPU into his laptop wifi slot has no idea what they're doing, and that poor laptop is in danger.
I hope my explanation satisfies you
I just watched a youtube video on the proper uses of it just a week or two ago.
The fact you needed to explain yourself is hillarious
True, rule 1 of electronics, if your IQ is lower then the voltage (or A) don't try anything weird (talking about the cord here, didn't know about the laptop)
Shrug. Just weird way to help
I love Twitch
Guy is about to brick his laptop due to ignorance. Let's tease him about his ignorance
What would this do if you plugged both ends into a wall socket
It's just the best isn't it
You're missing the context, people told him over and over that it wouldn't work and he refuses to listen.
Does it do what I think it does?
@pearl remnant
I guess I am, because what I walked into was just badgering
So you're saying that telling him that it is actually a bad idea and explaining why is weirder than 'teasing him about his ignorance'?
Welcome to #public-chat !
This isn't helpful to someone who is being stubborn
Cool, another excuse to be a sarcastic jerk?
I mean, like, jeez, really?
You literally just said to tease the guy about his ignorance
Stupid question. If I update my desk top to win 11, will I still be able to remote into it from my win 10 laptop?
Not engaging with akira
It's hilarious how much of a hypocrite you are lmao
Yes
Yes, that should be no problem
Yeah although you might need to redo the settings in case win11 resets them
Should be fine just make sure its a pro edition
Unless you're using teamviewer or something
Thank you. Before I go for it, is it worth the update? I know it's going to be forced at some point
If you can do it I'd do it so you don't have to do it later, otherwise there's no legitimate reason to
I like biting bullets but you could just wait until the bullet gets shoved into your mouth, up to you
For me personally i havent had many issues with W11 during these past 8 months
Way better than when I tried the insider preview of it lol
I don't have issues with software period, I have no idea how people are able to break everything they get their hands on
Yeah 10000x better
Yes both are running 10 pro, Ive been remoting in for a while now. Was just worried about any ability issues with it as my laptop is too old for 11
Hack
Panda, with time, you'll see that there's a cycle
- Someone asks a question
- People answer the question
- Person refuses any advice and is dead-set on their ways
- Once all hope is lost, people make jokes
We try to help, we really do. Scroll up through the chats, lots of people explained in detail why it wouldn't work.
OP didn't listen to a single bit of it
is it too old or does it just not have the TPM?
Windows 11 is basically Windows 10 with some more features
Both. It's a first gen convertible think pad
That's cool
This is our favourite pastime posting this meme in build-a-pc
Sanic, you're 2 for 2, btw
This guy lmfao
I'm aware you don't like me, it's really cute
Who don't like you
Panda thinks I'm meanie troll
Lots of people don't like me and I embrace it
It's not that. You have people saying you're decent but in my observation, both times I've encountered you, it was you being a jerk
I would like to interject at this point and say that I'm a much bigger jerk
Sanic is a fair guy
Well in the words of the almighty Mr. New Vegas, "I love you"
I look forward to observing that
That's because you're combative, lack proper context, and read too much into things. I can't help you with that bud
It's really not
"this PC doesn't currently meet minimum system requirements to run Windows 11" worths great for what I use it for. A remote into the gaming desktop for any heavier duty tasks are just used to desktop when I can escape back to the room it's in. I'll do the update tonight after kids are in bed. Any compatibility issues with the steam link device?
That's probably because you barely have 1,000 messages and miss the interaction we had with most regulars here
I did when i was wrong & stubborn about something he kept it fair tbh
Sorry to cut y’all’s little argument short.. but good afternoon everyone 
Good evening
I'm glad you are sharing your personal experience. My personal experience is being a jerk both times
I remember the pre-hack days.
At what point do I qualify as a regular?
when people know your name
it really is.
I'd say when people immediately recognize you when you're in the channel, ig?
They just know who you are
89k

when people say "oh, that fuckin guy/girl/meat sack/amorphous blob"
If only that were the case though
There's too many people named Ziggy, I'm thinking I'm gonna go full convert into Clippy

Yeah, except for me that'd be 'Oh no, not her, I fucking hate her'

"oh fuck that amorphous blob" has some real implied hatred underneath it lol
Just under 36k 
nope
How do yall post pics, Nitro boost &/or floatplane sub role feature?
both work
Nice
Nitro for me, Floatplane for blue names
Guys I'm excited. Today, my new stepper motor driver is arriving, which will mean I can reassemble and remount my crane - and it may even WORK properly and do a decent load bearing for the first time.
Hell yeah
There used to be a role for Twitch subs, but here we are
Yeah i saw thats why i thought both could do it
I do both, as a flex.
Hyped
If it can't lift me, it doesn't work
it's also MY BIRTHDAY
Nice hope it all goes well
Happy bday!!
Yay!
Happy bday🎉
oh it will almost certainly fail in some way, but I hope it's interesting 😄
Hoppy beeday! 

Happy bday!
If it fails i hoppe you atleast gets a funny social post from it hahah
oh, and my razer HDMI capture thing should arrive
The key to success is failure
Alright every get ready to start singing
And the key to failure is trial
Razer makes those now? What are they pricing it at? Hopefully a cheaper elgato alternative
@pearl remnant if I don't hear that beautiful baritone, you're banned
Fuck no, those are like a $150
oh, it was stupid cheap for some reason, $100 AUD. I needed something that supported 1080p120
Oh wtf
normal price is $2-300 AUD
Yeah, those are usually $240 AUD
Perfect birthday prez, what are you capping with it?
I still prefer Elgatos capture cards, but still nice
Apple is better than Razer when it comes to laptops right?
everything output from my main 4k120 screen, downscaled using my 4x2 matrix switch to 1080p120, captured into hyperHDR, which will drive the LED backlighting
In terms of build quality yes, in terms of performance no way in hell
Zamn
Makes sense
Their arm silicon pretty wild tho, depends on the task
I love Razer and their laptops since they’re powerful
basically, like all my projects: absolutely ridiculous massive overkill
But I think Apple has better build quality
because even with the extremely good pricing I've got for stuff, I'm at least $300+ deep in making LED backlighting work 😄
Apple's performance-per-watt with the M1 is unmatched
I agree
Mine sips power. I can compile code all day on one charge
Of course, but I doubt even then they'll beat Razer's new high end blade models
Though, it is noted that those are also exponentially more expensive
i mean it's an entirely different design goal
Yeah if you need raw unbridled power and don't care about battery life, that would be the move.
I feel that
Though I did strip down my main rig. It's no longer 3 motherboards lol. Now all that empty space is filled with fake plants
The Razer Blade is a great laptop
Xd
nvm cringe gif
But I think the MacBook Pro might be a better option because I already have my custom built PC as well as the Steam Deck and Nintendo Switch

Nice what’s are ur specs
I would say so, as long as you go M1. If anything for the battery life.
Nice to have at least one Unix system in there, that isn't a gaming tablet lol
Lol
M2 is hot garbage (literally), ngl
W name?
Accurate
Mine’s is with an Intel Core i7, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080, 16GB of RAM, and 1TB SSD
Imagine no 4090
I don’t have a 4090
homie you have a playstation
bozo
neither does he
Shshshhh sh sh I have everything I own micro center
Did the laptop with a desktop GPU blow up yet?
is it the Core i7 960
he left after everyone told him it wouldn't work, then i got berated for making my power cable joke
I think it’s the 4700-K
oh 4770K, yeah pretty solid
Awww but I want to know when the laptop blows up!
Fr
Damn bro, I bet that joke was electric

And the power cable joke is a valid one. Those plugs have a use...and they're also something that 95% of people should never be allowed to know that it even EXISTS

it killed
I mean there's also 16x to 16x pcie x1 cables, so I'm not surprised by anything
That username is a self-fulfilling prophecy isn't it
Ever heard of something like.. you know.. eGPUs
https://youtu.be/S-D2XZxYpbA this is a amazing CNC project.. I want one so bad.
Nope what’s that
Woah
Those are gpus you can plug in via thunderbolt or usb-c
What’s thunderbolt
Very fast usb c
O
And u use desktop GPUS on laptops with them
That's one use, yeah

Yup, they usually come in external gpu cases
If you watch Linus's videos he uses thunderbolt alot
Theoretically let’s say I hook up a 4090 to my MacBook Pro m1
You can't
What would happen
How are you gonna do that without driver support, lol
Idek what driver support is
Nothing, there hasn't been nvidia drivers for macos in nearly a decade
Nvidia and Apple don't like each other. Their newer hardware is incompatible. Long story
Just because you can connect something they still need software to communicate between each other which is a driver
Wack
Blame it on failing laptop silicon from 11 years ago
Me.
https://youtu.be/DGHcX0YTPKw
It's an older laptop (mid 90s to be exact) but it has been done before. This guy has three video cards in his (one being within the laptop) and the two being voodoo2 in SLI via a docking station.
My thinkpad 770 was the king of the Laptop market in 97. I equipped it with a Selectadock III "Thone" equipped with a pair of VooDoo II cards in SLI configuration, a SSD, and WiFi networking for an awesome nostalgic Windows 95 gaming experience.
Ah the old days of expandability 🥲
also, slow enough bus speeds that you could do this shit 😛
I'm thinking it was cool but not really needed anymore
egpus are useful in niche scenarios
I thought the video was attaching a laptop display and kb/m to a PC
Always an exception to any rule
no
Thanks for clarifying. When I said "thought" that was past tense.
enough that they still exist though. The real issue is TB4 was the same speed and pcie3x4 aint what she used to be. next gen egpus will be 120gbps, three times faster.
I'd like an eGPU some day.
What day is wan show again?
Friday, it tries to start at 5p PST
Alright
if the hyper 212 is supposedly terrible, does cooler master make any good air coolers at all?
i thought it was 4:30
It's not terrible, it's just not a good purchase
The cooler by itself is a good cooler, just shit value
is it only good for $30?
More like $25
is the push-pull one worth a little extra
Nah
I bought a thermalright AK120 for ... fuckall
No outstanding ones, no
Their Masterliquid AIO series is at the very least not overpriced compared to other coolers at its performance class
i bought one to "replace" my d15 because i knew the case wouldnt fit it
i gave it to my 2011 build which had a shit corsair 120mm
you think 130w cpu would've used it better than, say, a 7800x3d?
when is ryzen 8000 arriving btw, specifically will there be the 3d ones
.....
That'll take at least another two years
"hey guys when will the completely unannounced and unfinished tech to replace the the tech that JUST came out be available" <- this is you my dude.
It's been less than 3 months since the. Non 3d Ryzen 7000 got released. Take a guess
they still have 700 series cards in the form of the gt705-740
That's a pointless argument
That's completely unrelated?
I'm sorry, what does that have to do with anything?
Also a different company
they doesn't mean anything
Who is they?
Can you like stop acting you know what you're talking about, you clearly don't
they is more like "the entirety of the new market" instead of a single subject
who
You obviously, who else
asked
The gt705 is a Nvidia product not a amd processor so I see no relevance
You did
they still have 3800xt's floating around, there you have context now try to beat your own words
i never said i was mr, know it all, its more likely you
A 3800xt is not a processor that just got released in the last 90 days and 0 information has been announced of the subsequent generation or their release date which a simple google search could find. How's them apples?
Are you trolling?
nh you are
<@&750150305383186585>
howdy cybercowboys
ceasing to waste your time creating stupid rhetorics is no more helpful than saying "we don't know", and much more rude
It's not rhetoric. We tried explaining earlier that the 7000 series released in the last 90 days.
And you then compared it to a gt710 graphics card?
Sorry that we have a larger dictionary than three words and like to explain why that question doesn't make sense
you were the one saying "what do you expect"
it's because time isn't linear. it has four corners.
Bob you could have had me set up for a perfect Vivaldi reference but you spoiled it.
i'm just saying time 2 year time gaps don't immediately discontinue things
.... what? Nobody said that
I'm a little out of it today. Which reminds me to take my meds
Their was no discontinuation... We said to expect the not yet announced product in 2 years.
First off, nobody said that, second, you chose examples that are far older than two years
Be sure to hydrate!
are they discontinued?
Bruh 😎
You are the only person mentioning discontinuation.
No, but that also doesn't matter
oh, I have my https://lttstore.com/ water bottle right here!
All white pc
I got my water bottle from shaws.
costs a lot more and is harder to source components
:I have a list for one
yes it does
No, nobody cares if they are discontinued or not, you are the only one using discontinuation as an argument because you don't have any other arguments at hand
you wee they have a thing called a "roadmap" and it could be 50 years in the future if they wanted.
Akira may want to move past the trolling at this point
Fair
you ARE the troll
I've given up on it. I'm excited to experience ddr5 in second life tonight.
The pope is hospitalized 
p2w be like
He’s gonna die

I don't see why you're surprised, popes are usually very old, which makes them relatively vulnerable to pretty much anything
look, we're not shitting on you because you are poor, we are doing it because you are insane.
He’s gonna die
so are you
Then somebody's gonne replace him, life's hard
no you are i asked a genuine question and yallre just trying to vent
No
What religion is the pope
Everything that is living. Will die. C'est la vie
Christian
Ima be fr Idrgaf
is catholic isnt he
Pope's are deliberately chosen as old men so they aren't there too long.
Correct
catholic
you asked a stupid question, and backed it up with a complete non sequitur! Excellent.

Tbf even if they wouldn't deliberately do that he would be an old man anyway, the road to becoming even a local priest is long
jesus yallre toxic this is why im only up at 3 am not pm
The pope is worth 16 million
hi5 got called toxic and it's only 10am!
you couldve literally ended with "idk" end of story.
I wouldn't pay that much for a pope.
I got called a troll before 10 am then.
How dare he. He could donate that to Catholicism
I didn't even know before researching, but you literally need several degrees to become a bishop and that is hilarious
we don't talk about indulgences and simony.
You couldn't pay me to have a pope
search it up you'll know, or crack a seventh grade textbook.
but you see, I do know. Far more than you, clearly.
Indulgences and the the buying or selling of ecclesiastical privileges, for example pardons or benefices
pot. kettle. holy shit dude.
I know indulgences not simony
did i say anything about anyone "knowing"
Dude's got a respitory infection, you exaggerated full-time there, lmao
You literally just did
that is what the "k" is in idk.
I just heard on the news@he in hospital
But he didn't and chose to explain why instead, what's the issue
so, when is it? give me a date.
It's nothing serious, he just noted that he had difficulties breathing and chose to go to a hospital for it, he doesn't have covid though
and NOT 4/20/69. i saw it coming, be reasonable.
Man you must be the shit at parties, assuming you even get invited
3/29/2023 19:03 EST
That's a bold assumption
Imagine ur like 16 working a internship at a hospital and the mf pope walks in
well if they said "about a few years in the future", it shouldnt have released five minutes ago. be reasonable
a lot of people don't even recognise the pope lmao
They know at best the name
Rly??
Uhh I don't think you can do a internship at a hospital at 16?.. you generally need medical license to work on a hospital.. in the capacity you would see the pope
Fair nough
Yeah, even a lot of Christians don't, he's less of a celebrity than you think
I was reasonable and explained the timetables. You proceeded to call me a troll..
because protestants dont recognize the pope.
I couldn't tell you the popes name or appearance other than their a man
Ah well elgato 1080p60 is €200 here 
you forgot to say they are also probably old.
Oooh that's a great deal, 120fps recording is nice tho sadly almost no video service supports it
you have to become a bishop early, get elected as a cardinal, wait for the previous pope to die, then it's basically a random selection.
Also I know it's a man as their are no female Cardinals who then could be chosen to become Pope in the event the pope does. Age is actually not a factor in becoming a pope you could on theory be one within two years of being ordained .
What I just almost did was stupid
Shut down windows… while downloading euro truck simulator..
Yup, that general rule never really changed, there were plenty of popes that were around 20 years old in the past
I mean let's be honest the pope we all need is Papa emirtius III he even has the hat
Their stuff is sooo good
Yeah I need it because the downscaler makes it 1080p, but same frame rate.
I think it's gonna be time to cull alot of my PC parts this weekend and throw alot of it on marketplace. Free up some space and get rid of boxes.
I actually sat down with my fiancee and got partlists of all of our previous builds
I think my x99 board finally died in my move 😦
Neat!
I'm gonna try and get rid of my fractal torrent compact. my Asus prime board ddr4 and maybe my noctua ltt edition cooler.
Maybe more if I find other stuff up on the shelf. It's hard to see what's up there being so short.
Good night
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/murakumokazuma/saved/ ='D '9th build' are our current ones
Saved Part Lists
Everyone please be silent now and sleep take rest
I work midnights so I can't 😛
I've already pulled two all-nighters, too late for that
Please sleep and let others live
I'm not sleeping. But I'll do that last bit begrudgingly
Thank you everyone for listening to me 👍
I should just behave like I do in FFXIV when a guy I don't want anything to do with hits on me in a nightclub, lol
Overly friendly, cutes-y and formal
what's with the asuka profile pictures man this is the third or fourth one ive seen since yesterday
WAY to much of those
I rarely see somewhat big egos on tbh last time I played
I'm debating on getting back into FFXIV but I dunno if I wanna play on PS5 or pc
Heavily recommended PC
~~There's.. VERY interesting mods on FFXIV
~~
Don’t dig too deep….
I also am so close to my backlog being done that I wanna get those done first before hopping to a mmo.
can someone please
I'm literally clubbing right now, but I can't show my current outfit 
I’m to busy via education so I’ve had no time to play
Stop making me want to resubscribe
(Almost everything about my dancing character is modded, even the dance itself)
I have ... Mafia 2-3 ,Yakuza ishin, and then Lego racing 2k and we love katamari reroll
What'd you say
So ... Depending on how those go I may re sub to FFXIV.
i've completely given up on playing my backlog
i.hate.you
I can't quite understand you
I'm so close to being done ... I just wanna finish...
It also helps.some.games I buy just to have not to play...
Maybe collage isn’t important…..one month subscription won’t hurt….
They added a bunch of social features to final fantasy?
Define 'social features'
education is important
I start collage at the end of this year lol
ohhh
you good then lmao
Person above said they had a heavily modifed dance character and they're clubbing
You know you can just divide your time evenly like a responsible person would :o
How good is a 12600/32gb ddr5 and a 6800xt for FFXIV Akira? Stable 60 atleast at like 4k possible?
That’s no fun! Staying up till 2AM killing bosses is the real gameplay!
Easily
I can barely stay up to 12am....
FFXIV is not at all demanding of a game, a friend of mine runs it on a 7980XE and a 6900 XT
Subscribing to what
college is higher education, collage is a series of photos arranged together
Or I remember when my friends were hunting for houses……that was the actual true hell of the game.
.... Tempting. Now to look up sub costs again.
Just don’t do it before an expansion, or your not getting in
Last one had over 2 million people on
I mean mostly play wow and second life... So... I know it's more taxing than those
Oh and don't get it on Steam
I own it outright already if I can remember my login info.
I need to play again…..
He knows exactly what he tried
This is what the game does to you^^
Who knows maybe I can run into you and momo if I resub Akira.
The complete edition of the game is afaik $60, which includes every expansion and the base game (roughly $35 out of that $60 is the latest expansion, Endwalker)
Very unlikely, Mono plays on US servers, I play on EU servers
Well more likely to see momo then
Mhm!
https://youtu.be/4ier4htoQgo @wind pulsar the funniest shit I’ve ever seen in my life. I laughed my ass off
Oh modded characters are 1000% against ToS, Square Enix kinda tolerates it as long you don't use it to gain an advantage in the game and/or don't say publicly that you have mods installed, because they can't legally scan your game folder for changes in the files (That's illegal in Japan)
I apparently own everything but endwalker
And nightclubs have been existing pretty much ever since housing was released in the game, they stream the music but Twitch and everything
Get it. Endwalker is fantastic
Endwalker is $35 then
Wait you have to PAY subscription for FF
I don't have a sub yet.
It’s an MMO.
Ooh
And the beginners sub is 10.99 or so, otherwise $12
which honestly isn’t bad
I thought it would be a one time price and that would be done
Or have the game installed.. plus I have ,3 games in my queue already I'm playing through plus I think it would take me away from second life abit.
Expansions are one time price. You pay for the game, and you pay for access to the game
Well closest I have played to that would be FF7 remake but it was the single player version
Oh it 100% would, FFXIV has a 600 hour story depending how fast you are
Oh dang
I think I was like level 30?
People who have the time to decorate houses I can never understand
I have no idea what you're talking about
Oh my god
Yeah, then you're still in the base game
I was still in base game
I have to know how long that toke you
It's universally accepted that the base game sucks and the game gets very good in Heavensward, the first expansion
Plus it's a little cheaper than Warcraft... So maybe...
I likely would start fresh since I don't remember anything about playing other than my ex making me dislike it.
Top to bottom five hours, five days, two days, two weeks and two days
Oh yikes. 

I have an i5-10400 and threw out the box. I accidentally broke my mobo. Should I sell the i5 and go current gen?
And how would I sell it (without a box)
How many clickers/ buyers did you have? I think we had 5
None, the system got replaced with a lottery system
so, a friend had their session tokens grabbed a few days ago. How would we go about grabbing the session tokens ourselves to see what accounts are breached?
Ohhh? that’s interesting.
no longer waiting all day spamming a button not knowing if 30 other people are doing the same thing
Yeah, now you have to rely on luck by bidding on a plot against 70 people
I only got my plots because new wards came out with 6.3 and there were effectively no people bidding on them
Even better!
i love how they give the first 70 levels for free
I wonder, does it tell you your chances?
No, but it's fairly obvious
If it's 70 people, it's one out of 70, so 1.43%
isn't that like 1000 hours of gameplay lmfao
there's a free trial
But not to level 70.
what
Oh yeah, but not to Level 70, that'd include Stormblood
that would be stupid if that was true
level 60
The free trial is up to Level 60, which is more than generous enough
i found it fascinatingly depressing when i played FFXIV and discovered that it had a housing crisis almost identical to what many places irl experience
It’s fixed now, it’s completely RNG, not really fixed
misremembered lmfao, but that's still like 1k hours for all the jobs
getting a house back than was like getting a house right now in America
instead not only are you fighting the home owners, your fighting the realtor themselves
Yup, but even the basegame is like 300 hours if you don't skip anything
so not really indeed 
Heavensward, the first expansion you get, is around 50~70 hours or so
i just find it weird when other MMORPGs i've played don't or didn't have this problem
capitalism is extreme in asian mmos
like maplestory 2 (bad example because it's dead but hear me out)
everyone got a plot of land in maplestory 2 but you had to pay a rental fee on limited plots of land across each server if you wanted your house to appear in the overworld
That's because most of those MMOs are nowhere near socially entangled as FFXIV
u brought up maplestory which is owned by nexon
you should see how bad their mmo is with capitalism and pricing issues, mabinogi
People buy those plots to not only house but also to build nightclubs, build cafes, do RP headquarters and so on
people will pay $500-1000 for ingame items to increase their max damage by like 3%
I encountered an issue with my g502 lightspeed
And even though you can switch Datacenters now and you can switch worlds easily, you can fuck your repution up super easily even when the servers have like 300,000 people in them, which is kinda scary
buy this free sword for bragging rights but the damage is so small it breaks in one hit
when using it, if I put it down too hard/fast, the scroll wheel gets activated and it switches guns
You don’t know how many people would do it anyways
are you using the infinite scroll option
no, it's firmly locked
the RP in final fantasy has no ceiling on how stupid it can be. But it’s also so fun if you find the right people
Oh yeah, people also take RP disgustingly seriously
finding friends to buy a house is peak for me in the game last time I played
people have friend on ffxiv
How else you gonna beat the game
im gonna put $2000 in final fantasy and buy your family
I have like four or five people in my friendslist that want don't want to be referred by their irl persona and also use pronouns according to their character
i dont mind calling friends by their alias but ill never be close friends with someone who wont share their first name
People take that stuff so serious. I remember I made fun of how someone’s character looked and they acted like I destroyed their ancestors pride
Not super difficult for me since Akira is literally my first name 
Damn 
that would be weird - I mean, lots of people call me bob, but yeah
Never underestimate final fantasy characters on how stupid they can be
meanwhile everyone in school dnd club metagames
Oh yeah. Part of that is because of Square Enix EXTREMELY strict behavioural enforcement
you youngins dont know nothin about this right here
You can unironically get banned if you spam 'Good Job!' too much in pvp (You can't chat in certain pvp modes) when someone fucks something up
nah, a couple of my irl friends played that all the time even back in high school
What a save!
Man why is the mouse wheel so fucky 
Why would I not know about the same company that is currently trying to screw D&D users over
kingsisle is tryna mess with d&d?
you're thinking of wizards of the coast, not wizard101
there was no reply i was just astounded that you worded your question that way
i had to double-check if kingsisle was owned by WOTC tho LMAO
how do i misquote you if im just posting a screenshot
Just realized, yes 
i dont care if you like chinese people it was just funny to read
I did the exact same thing lmfao
u can be xenophobic if u want im not ur dad
You're gonna save that screen because memes, don't you
nah i dont save screenshots
I know of an iOS SSH client but it's made by a Mongolian developer mandating the password is stored in-app, is that okay?
Good, because I will
lmaooooo
easy: windows + shift + s
or cmd+shift+4
that was done so badly lmao
mongolian by nationality or heritage?
bob is asking the real questions
I'm waiting for the random 'They're all the same anyways bruh'
maybe hed be okay with a white man who was born in mongolia being the developer
I'm listening to the 'china history podcast' so I'm VAGUELY familiar with a TINY PORTION of the history of china.
@wind pulsar drip or nah
TRUE
70% of which may or may not be entirely mythical COUGH
<@&750150305383186585> GPT garbage
That's actually not bad
goth af
The lipstick gives her the typical 'punch me'-face, otherwise it's pretty good
the mythical stuff is mythical, but there's written records going back for a looooooooooooong time in china.
well maybe 40%
I googled "iOS SSH Client" and the first result was a well-reviewed app whose devs are based in USA and New Zealand so idk why they even bothered asking
Oh of course

you shouldn't be using a password anyway
They very clearly used the word 'xenophobic' knowing that was without racist intent
are you insinuating that a chinese app cant be high quality
SSCHH
Woke Michael is on FIRE today
im not accusing you im just asking based on your wording
"Hey guys, do you know of any iOS SSH clients that don't store your password?"
It's that easy to not be cringe
Happy birthday to my organs, from my son. he brings you: crushing.
In the old country, we're prejudice towards each other. There are different tribes/villages that can't stand each other. Another interesting trivia is that we tend to identify with our heritage identity first, then nationality second 
weird couch pillow
Hint: it's a middle eastern country
tyrannical monster doesnt even care that hes crushing u
just a bit of instigating
he absolutely does not care at all. He climbed up/over me to get there.
With wyyn's bio they're basically asking for it
Godzilla has official citizenship in Japan
yah no bullying
holy shit i just read it 💀
That's gotta be with malicious intent at that point
i agree
calm it
nono, no intent. It's well known that parents feel no pain 😄
You can tell at his eyes, he's enjoying every second of it
I've been ff14 clubbing today :o
he's putting on my "sho-shoes" (socks)
In the country where me and my family are from, citizenship is heavily dependent on the father. That means that the father has to be a citizen of said county otherwise the born child could be labelled stateless. What's messed up is that the mother can't pass down citizenship for the newborn (even if she is a citizen in the country the child is born in).
what goes on in these clubs?
Wdym?
debauchery
HERESY
that too. FOR THE EMPEROR
Nightclubs are usually RP events with a DJ on twitch streaming
what do players do in these clubs aside from listening to the music
isn't twitch dead?
my wife got me this model I have to build
Hahaha, no
what sorts of social activities are engaged in by the community
For my country whenever you’re born you’re instantly given dual citizenship, great for travel but you cannot work in any government security clearance sections without a lot of paperwork
dammit i want twitch to be dead though
i can't wait for my classmate to tell me about the latest twitch streamer drama
i personally hate the way twitch interface but i dont have anything against it
Weirdly it’s a western nation
termius
People going on dates, people chatting in groups, dancing together, that kind of RP I can't talk about here, spending their ingame money on RP stuff like drinks and the kind of dances that I can't talk about here and so on and so forth
termius is my go to iOS ssh client and it does a bunch of other stuff too
what kind of rp would that be that you arent allowed to talk about here
There's also sometimes wedding groups that go to clubs
iOS has a built in ssh functionality
shhhh
DMs
The debauchery and debasement
where?
i was just tryna see if she'd say it
Dm there
I have no problem of saying it in a server where I am allowed to lmao
But I'm not here.
I can't even remotely show my current outfit either
debasement!?
in my 5 star well established formal club?
I mean I frequent the by far biggest club on my server, so
Not too unusual to have 200 people in the club on saturdays
wait a sec ffxiv has outfits you won't be able to show on ltt discord?
It does have a few even vanilla where it's pretty critical, but I mod my characters
oh by modding them
Yup
will other players seen them
That was my outfit ingame before I changed into my current one
violating the terms of service and installing third party modifications that allow you to commit debauchery!
When can bitemojjis dance?
There's a plugin that enables you to do so, yes
People that don't have it installed, which are most people, don't
ah ok
Correct, stop me
Michael how old were you again? xD
19
Good, then dms lmao
Saucy
I’ve been thinking about getting into some mmo game
Kinda like getting off cracktorio to try some methafantasy
do I RMA the mouse or attempt to DIY fix it?
does it only happen when you slam the mouse down
Yes. But it doesn't have to be a hard slam. It was enough to bother me a full round on DRG.
Like picking it up and putting it back down quickly
@plush rivet My apartment
u dont even read u poser
looks like you like books to much
and you lied
I do actually lmao
Nowadays it's all online, but yeah
Ground level of my cottage, won't show the basement because that's minimalistic af lmao
is it just me, or is there a bug in windows 11 when you open the quick context menu with windows + X to open powershell as admin, but it just opens powershell as a normal user ?
i hope you are tall euoght for that ladder to reaxh the top books 💀💀
Nah, the ladder is just there
I have too many houses in FFXIV, bruh
Anyone here familiar with Vegas 17? I noticed as the time frame gets bigger I notice crashes with the software? I mean it’s not a big deal considering I spam Ctrl S every 5 mins but still it’s just such a pain.. anyone had this issue?
vegas is doo doo
switch to the free version of resolve
pirate premiere
@fluid ridge yeah but like does it edit videos as good as paid versions?
Like for me I edit freinds videos that they upload to yt etc I can dm and show as a example of what I mean but idk if resolve does what paid Vegas does :/
My parents are forcing me to sit through this class and they are yelling saying guitar hero is satanic
What kind of "class" is it




