public-chat

[full fossil]

Bro they're literally me

do i have to actually work hard or can i slack?

[manic torrent]

nope

[stray apex]

That's 400k a year if you do 8hours 5 days a week

[full fossil]

In 2 years you make 22 million, if you work full days

[fluid ridge]

thats insane for basically no education

[hollow pulsar]

Cotton is seasonal though I think. I have no idea.

[full fossil]

You. Pick. Cotton

[stray apex]

That's still six figures

[full fossil]

yea but do i have to pick like a ton everyday or can i pick like a couple bags

[hollow pulsar]

If I use a cotton picking machine, can I take on the displaced workers' wages?

[fluid ridge]

people normally need to sell their morals and ethics and go build bombs for lockheed martin and raytheon to get 400k a year, picking cotton is nothing

[full fossil]

You have to pick cotton. No machine, i dont know how much you can pick nor how little

[golden talon]

my friend works for lockheed and he tells me it’s pretty cool

he doesn’t build bombs or anything he just works on guidance systems though

[fluid ridge]

yeah pretty cool making the afghani-orphan-annihalator-9000

[full fossil]

@golden talon who's your idol?

[stray apex]

Most monopolistic corporations are pretty cool places to work

[fluid ridge]

lockheed martin is not a monopoly

[stray apex]

They don't have much competition, so there's not much pressure on the employees

[vapid smelt]

Fixing the orphanage problem

[fluid ridge]

not in defense nor in defense aerospace

[golden talon]

i don’t have an idol

[full fossil]

they just bribe a lot of politicians

[golden talon]

there’s is def pressure sometimes

[fluid ridge]

lockheed martin have boeing back home and like grippen and MIG to deal with overseas, as well as the chinese made fighter jets that are copy and pasted

[full fossil]

how

[stray apex]

I don't think you understand how financially secure building thousands of cutting-edge fighter aircraft gets you

[fluid ridge]

and in terms of weaponry, lockheed martin, general electric, raytheon, honeywell, etc. exist

[stray apex]

Literally nothing on the market can compete with the f-35

[fluid ridge]

the F22 would clap an F35

[golden talon]

you aren’t allowed to bring any electronics inside the buildings, not even a watch, for hours on end you’re isolated on a cubicle with a single laptop that can only connect to certain servers within the company

[stray apex]

The F-22 is both no longer in production and also illegal to export

[fluid ridge]

then steal one instead

[golden talon]

that shit gets really depressing after a while, you know

[fluid ridge]

the F22s are some of the cleanest and meanest looking fighter jets ever built

[full fossil]

Female22 and Male38?

[stray apex]

Like literally every country offered the f-35 has bought it

[golden talon]

i’ve been offered an internship at lockheed but haven’t considered it yet

[fluid ridge]

canada almost didnt

[full fossil]

Canada sucks

[stray apex]

Lockheed Martin basically has a monopoly on the western high-end fighter jet market

[fluid ridge]

take it???????????

[cosmic ore]

What role?

[fluid ridge]

Eurofighter and Grippen, if you consider these "western", SAAB too i think

[full fossil]

"It's no longer legal to own or sell a firearm in Canada"

The bodyguarda:

[stray apex]

No, Canada made noise about not buying it, but realistically nothing else competes

[golden talon]

i don’t want to be profiled by the government and be locked in a room with barely any human contact or internet for hours

[vapid smelt]

https://www.industrialcybersecuritypulse.com/networks/throwback-attack-chinese-hackers-steal-plans-for-the-f-35-fighter-in-a-supply-chain-heist/ what about another f-35!

[full fossil]

they pay u good money for it

[full fossil]

That's called the average life of a weeb fym

[stray apex]

Czech republic iirc was literally offered gripens for free and declined them in favor of buying f-35

[fluid ridge]

omegalul

[golden talon]

thank god i’m not a weeb

[stray apex]

Euro fighter and gripen absolutely do not compete with f-35

[floral hawk]

You talking about getting your L2 secret clearance?

[full fossil]

Your pfp says otherwise

[stray apex]

They've made so damn many of the things that it basically costs as much as those older aircraft

[floral hawk]

I got lucky, it was just a 30 minute phone call

[wary acorn]

I mean in a training excercise eurofighters took down f22's, altho the eurofighters had a large number advantage, its still impressive

[golden talon]

my pfp isn’t even anime it’s just a drawing lmao

[full fossil]

anime style

[golden talon]

yeah

[wary acorn]

and the eurofighters had no external fuel tanks on (which they normally would) butt its still impressive

[stray apex]

Yeah, extremely contrived training scenarios to help f-22 pilots work on what to do if for some reason they didn't kill the enemy before they knew they were there

[floral hawk]

I just did a phone call. It was chill, dude just had a few questions and my answers were good enough so he approved it

[stray apex]

The only reason an f-22 would ever close to dogfight is if they thought it would be funny

[full fossil]

BRRRTTT

[stray apex]

Modern a2a combat has more in common with submarine warfare than the dogfights of ww2

[wary acorn]

I mean they theoretically should tear apart eurofighters in dogfights, they have more agility, speed, thrust and better guns and missiles

[sand pumice]

https://youtu.be/RYf2ykaUlvc

[full fossil]

So a few weeks ago I was chased with a freind by someone screaming and holding a knife. I chose not to report this as I don't like dealing with burocracy but I acidentially let this slip and now I'm getting pressured to report this. What do I do?

[golden talon]

damn really? a quick read up shows that they need written statements from 3 US citizens that know me to prove that they know who i am and vouch for me as a person plus like 2 interviews with a manager

[vapid smelt]

"fuck we are out of air to air missiles retreat!"

[cosmic ore]

My roommate from college works at L3Harris and another friend works at a jet engine producer

[full fossil]

And that's why you own a mofo gun!

I mean musket!

[stray apex]

I mean, yeah
If you run out of bullets for your gun you don't grab the knife

[cosmic ore]

I was offered twice to go to L3 and rejected

[full fossil]

I live in Britan though

[floral hawk]

Oh US is different from Canada. My bad

[golden talon]

ah

[wary acorn]

Don't bring a knife to a supermanuverable 5th generation air superiority fight

[floral hawk]

But it's a sharp knife!!

[golden talon]

bring a 1 W ultraviolet laser instead

and point it directly at the jet and watch the havoc unfold

[floral hawk]

Or a bottle of water with over 150ml of liquid

[full fossil]

Bro said that like he was surprised! It's Britain! 🤣

Never going there, USA too!

[golden talon]

i enjoy the usa i like it here

[idle nymph]

And a big one

[full fossil]

pew pew pew p-pew pew

oh shit harold is shot dead, what are we gonna do?

[vapid smelt]

I enjoy not being able to afford a home too

[full fossil]

Finger!!

[full fossil]

Should I report it to the police just so my superiors can stop nagging me?

[idle nymph]

Even better, bring Your duck and toss it in the reactors

[golden talon]

I live in a pretty safe place havent seen any shootings here the past couple decades

[wary acorn]

• a home made of cardboard and 2x4's

[full fossil]

You should leave the UK!

[full fossil]

I'm just a teenager

[full fossil]

200k per month please

[full fossil]

Report to the fricking police, its a crime what happened to you. But its UK so its a common crime!

[vapid smelt]

Most of our homes are strong, ours is fine after a 5.7 earthquake and 100mph wind gust

[wary acorn]

Oh, yeah, and if you miss a payment and loose your job we have absolutely no social security net to save you from going on the street

• america, probably

[golden talon]

me when broke ppl

[idle nymph]

Dont forget the no help for medic and shit

[wary acorn]

we haven't even touched the gun violence

[vapid smelt]

Or grass

[full fossil]

"Someone ran after me with a knife! I live in Britain, btw"

What do you think its gonna happen? Welcome you with a cookie?! IT'S THE UK!

I'm thinking of moving to the Canada or the US to go to University. Which ones better and where can I make more money in a 5 year time span after uni? As a dev

[idle nymph]

Or the obesity problem

[full fossil]

You DONT do school in the usa dog.

[vapid smelt]

You need to pay money for both

[golden talon]

if you're smart you can get into an ivy league in the US which is highly prestigious

[wary acorn]

You should instead come to a country with liveable city's

[full fossil]

They offer scholarships and I'm smart based on my grades

Never, come to Romania bro, we might have a low economy but atleast there aren't R people with guns and knifes! @full fossil

[wary acorn]

grades don't decide smart or dumb imo

[golden talon]

take the SAT and see how well you do

[fossil frost]

report it... there is no bureaucracy ... report it, not reporting it helps the police lie about the crime stats getting better... always report everything.. no matter how small, its the only way anything will ever get any better

[wary acorn]

My A level were 1.2 and yet here I am, chatting with dumb people because I'm one of them

[golden talon]

if you get above a 1500 on the SAT apply to ivy leagues

[idle nymph]

Grades just show how well you work in school,in other System you can get way better

[full fossil]

Man frick Uni, i aint spending more of my life in school

[full fossil]

K, I'll take a mock exam and train for that

[wary acorn]

Uni is pretty cool imo

[golden talon]

Its not easy to get into an ivy league but if you can, it'll be easy to get a job afterwards

[wary acorn]

I like my uni, its fun and not too much time investment

[vapid smelt]

Just say no they can't stab you without your consent

[normal cargo]

It's fun until the final year, the it's the shittest

[golden talon]

the public school i attend right now got invited to the ivy leagues twice

[idle nymph]

I have to go to uni to be a teacher, just to be paid minimum wage

[cosmic ore]

Basically any major state school would be fine. The big name colleges are obviously gonna stand out more but software is rather unique in that you'll get hired from anywhere as long as you have the skills

[full fossil]

Being broke for 5 years and eating cheap crap everyday is cool apparently

[wary acorn]

I just have my concert exams, music history and theory exams and thats pretty much it

[vapid smelt]

Hey you get like 40-50k a year!

[golden talon]

You can work during Uni lmao

[idle nymph]

(France financing Uni for free)

[full fossil]

You see a person with a lambo, the first you think about the person isn't that they went to University.

That's crazy, and people still go to Uni thinking they will make money

[wary acorn]

I get money from my government :p, aswell as I work (germany financing Uni for free, and giving you money to live)

[full fossil]

Compared to devs that's half lol

[normal cargo]

UK ?, Start on 28k innit ?

[wary acorn]

Europe is awesome 🤝

[idle nymph]

Yeah for a shit ton of hours, and shit ton of study, i really want to be a teach but 1400 a Month, this suck

[full fossil]

Ain't good enough bro, there are people that have that kind of money for pocket change for God's sake

[fossil frost]

no, thats a government lie. real start for teachers is closer to 22k

[golden talon]

I have a scholarship at my public school so I only pay 5K per semester for tuition

[full fossil]

I will to but it is so little that I might aswell just work 12 hours, do uni for 6 and 6 hours sleeping

[wary acorn]

I think what is cool about teachers is that they literally have one of the biggest influence on the future, altho that can be good and also bad

[vapid smelt]

I make a little bit more than that working 20 hours a week

[full fossil]

20k a year is still alot for a uni student

[pearl robin]

how much is it normally where u live?

[fossil frost]

i make about 3x that, for working about 1.7x that

[pearl robin]

wait 5k per SEMESTER?

[golden talon]

Public school is about 12K per semester

[full fossil]

£28-32k in an unspecified London Borough median wage

[golden talon]

2 semesters per year is 10K a year for me

[peak phoenix]

As if I needed confirmation I was right buying the 7900x and not a x3d chip

[pearl robin]

the max the uk government lets them charge us is 9.5k per year

[idle nymph]

Yeah, i really want to success my elementar teacher, hes my Inspiration, but getting paid 3000 Max at the end of my carreer? I know I like that job, but for so many study and for so many works, meh

[full fossil]

That's pretty normal. 40k is average in the UK for uni total cost

[vapid smelt]

Imagine going to college in 2023

[normal cargo]

It's banded tho ?, And when you're qualified it's like 24 atleast?, Like apprentice style

[fossil frost]

thats not a real average, once you get into the real world, you will see that wages are actually much lower than that.. but the average is brought up by the few people who earn a LOT more than that

[pearl robin]

????

[fossil frost]

no, its not, its capped at 9k per year

[pearl robin]

yes total uni cost 40k is standard

[full fossil]

Whoah

[wary acorn]

I get around 9600€/year from the government (Bafög), Bafög also seperately covers the costs for housing, and then I make extra around 22k/year from working

[pearl robin]

and UK isnt even really good compared to the rest of europe, just north america is absolutely insane

[normal cargo]

Depends where,.mine was 3,500 😉

[full fossil]

In the US it can get as high as 240k for the whole tuition

[vapid smelt]

UK isn't even Europe anymore

[sand pumice]

Guess i just buy 7950x over the 7900X3D because I do 4K

[full fossil]

You went to a cheap college lol

[pearl robin]

uk isnt in the union it didnt just switch continents though 😭

[normal cargo]

Nah it's the max you pay in my country, it's free n all cos government pays

[vapid smelt]

We can fix that

[wary acorn]

I mean we can just nuke it and ship the debris to australia

[pearl robin]

please dont nuke us

[fossil frost]

there are people who are in power, and people who want to be in power... who would see that as a failure of the previous government and want to try and do that, because leaving entirely is the only thing that is good enough

[full fossil]

Also I thought most uni students were dirt broke. The government ain't giving people shit.

[idle nymph]

Yeah, yet that still change everythinh

[fossil frost]

brexit == weaponised racism

[full fossil]

Congratulations, you were born in the right country

[idle nymph]

To late

[wary acorn]

depends on the government

[pearl robin]

bruh you cant vote to leave a continent its just geological observation?

[normal cargo]

Damn straight, they pay the 9k if I wanna study in England too so win/win

[pearl robin]

us leaving the union was stupid though imo

[idle nymph]

Did you know half the people voted yes for brexit didnt know what the idk its name was?

[full fossil]

I meant the UK. Unless your ballin your living in a room that costs 1k/m in London lol

[wary acorn]

brexit was a stupid idea, which everybody told them it was, and then they noticed themselves that it was a stupid idea

[pearl robin]

1k/m is very cheap for london

[full fossil]

For a room

[normal cargo]

If you're lucky, my mate was paying 2500 like 10 years ago

[vapid smelt]

Y'all are rich in resources and land you don't need to be in the EU

[full fossil]

Kinda average in the outskirts

1k is a good price for a small room in London

[idle nymph]

Tbh, uk state Sound Bad, penury of everyhting every where, financial state getting worse

[fossil frost]

yep, thats why we are prospering now, and not languishing in the dirt, coming close to running out of energy, food and other resources, and with the highest inflation of the last 20 years... ohh... wait... it fucking sucks to live here since brexit...

[pearl robin]

brexit definitely had some racism behind it from some of the people ive heard talking about it here, but mostly it was just people getting tricked by campaigns and doing 0 research into how viable the claims were

[pearl robin]

🙂 🙂 🙂 cant wait for my future

[normal cargo]

Yea this, it's like asking someone do they like cake, and of course, people like cake. Cake was a lie.

[pearl robin]

im gonna get tf out asap honestly

[idle nymph]

Valve made brexit

[stray apex]

Wasn't Brexit literally a Russian information op

[fossil frost]

yeah, weaponised racism... it was EU == bad... NHS == good... brown people are taking over... we need to stop them, and leaving is t he only way to stop them... and then the people (tbh, the person) who started it all, fucked off to the USA to help donald trump do the same weaponised racism to win his particular race

[idle nymph]

??? What bro?

[fossil frost]

russians launder all their money here, they want us to be as stable as we can be 🙂

[pearl robin]

it wasnt a russian op 😭 i wish it was that way I would have more respect for a lot of the people here

[normal cargo]

There's only so much you can blame Russia for, but in reality, it's not like the EU is fairing much better at this point

[rugged bridge]

😢

[full fossil]

Also why tf do dorm gaming setups exist? Where yall getting that money from? If I worked 12 hours a day at minimum wage I would have about £2200 after taxes per month. Consider the cost of a room and public transport expenditure you're looking at about £700 to spend on food, cloths and bills which doesn't leave that much to save

[pearl robin]

saved up before uni for 2 years working full time, bought all the gear then

and cheap rent living at home

[vapid smelt]

Is it still cheaper to ship food from the EU than it is to grow it yourself?

[full fossil]

Even then, noone wants to hire teens in the UK as everyone goes about saying eww child labour

[fossil frost]

yes, quite a bit cheaper, but far more expensive than it was 2 years ago

[full fossil]

I can't live with my mum unfortunately

[pearl robin]

eh I got a job in logistics and got promoted twice really quick. So got lucky mostly

[rugged bridge]

yet child labour was the worst in the UK i think?

[fossil frost]

i didnt bother going to uni, i just walked straight into a junior developer job... but that was 20 years ago now... when that sort of thing was possible... not so much these days

[normal cargo]

Was abolished before most other I think, America for sure

[rugged bridge]

ok

[pearl robin]

I needed uni to actually make me work hard, I didnt have the work ethic to learn CompSci solo unfortunately

big ole stoner

[dull granite]

<@&750150305383186585> public chat is bein political again

[fossil frost]

im super lazy without being a stoner... but... when you are in the work world, you tend to learn very quickly, to avoid being found out that you are just bullshitting about what you know 😄

[normal cargo]

Nah I got a buddy that got his job after just building a portfolio like 5 years ago, no industry experience. Bristol area are screaming for Devs atm

[rugged bridge]

i dont think that was needed

[dull granite]

oh that was 5 minutes ago

[pearl robin]

I got a couple job offers secured for after I pass my degree, so thats motivation too

[full fossil]

Learning python by yourself before you begin studying for Computer Science in GCSE's means that you basically get to sit in the compsci class and help other people because you already know lol

[vapid smelt]

[full fossil]

Yes that's true

[pearl robin]

yes all the compsci A level kids are chilling in first year, I did Law, Physics & Math though, computer stuff was only a hobby

[full fossil]

I have already seen the affects of that unfortunately

[pearl robin]

so had to work alot harder

[fossil frost]

i learned VB and C++ before i went to college, before compsci was a thing at GCSE level... then in college, completed a 2 year course in about 5 weeks

[fossil frost]

yep, it sucks anus to live here right now

[pearl robin]

tbh any A level course can be done in 5 weeks if you actually put in effort

[full fossil]

Man isn't that great lol. Save money in college by studying before it

[wary acorn]

hhehe lmao

[next dove]

dude speedrun life 100%

[wary acorn]

A level course? I thought A level was "Abitur", which is the end of highschool

[full fossil]

I want to move to the US or Canada. Honestly, which one is better and which one has similar or better whether than the UK

[fossil frost]

A Levels are the 2 years in college after high school... or... you can do an ND if its a practical subject

[full fossil]

And where can I pay less tax and or earn more money as a back end dev

[pearl robin]

UK has secondary school (GCSE's), "College" (A Levels, basically the final 2 years of high school equivalent), and then University. we dont call Uni "college", as its a different thing here

[wary acorn]

Both are shit countries with unlivable cities, little social security, bad healthcare (USA), I strongly advise against it

[vapid smelt]

Probably US in Texas they don't have state income tax

[wary acorn]

My 1 year in the USA sucked ass, don't go there

[pearl robin]

our secondary school ends at age 15/16, then college for 16 - 18, then Uni

[fossil frost]

i did ND in software engineering, while working as a software engineer, and then topped it up to a HND with a 1 year top up, which took a few weeks... so i spent about... 9 weeks total in college, to complete a 3 year course, and worked the whole time i was there... was fun

[marsh carbon]

Go where u find a job

[full fossil]

I hate Europe, I want modern cities and big houses with high incomes. I can't deal with these peuny uk incomes in the UK

[pearl robin]

me too except im going to the one that doesnt have prolific gun ownership from the public 😭

[fossil frost]

you are gonna hate the USA then

[vapid smelt]

USA isn't a special magical place

[fossil frost]

USA has the same terrible wages for all the junior positions you are gonna be able to get

[full fossil]

It's got micro centers though. How are taxes looking in Canada?

[wary acorn]

UK isn't europe, UK is its own island, don't count UK to europe, just don't

[pearl robin]

USA might actually be the bottom of my wish list for places to live, anywhere you can go bankrupt from medical issues just seems like a terrible decision to move to

[normal cargo]

Uk is europe tho lol

[wary acorn]

Nah fuck that

[pearl robin]

rare 8 continent believer

[fossil frost]

tipping being expected, rather than a choice for exceptional service, is the main reason i wouldnt ever visit there, let alone live there

[full fossil]

If I don't tip what happens to me?

[hollow pulsar]

It's still a choice.

[pearl robin]

i dont mind tipping being expected as long as its included in the bill its just literally the same bill but being labelled differently

[wary acorn]

You get shot, just like when you do anything else there

[vapid smelt]

They ruin your food

[full fossil]

I get killed?

[fossil frost]

they will probably chase you down the street and tell you that you didnt tip, or, next time you go in, spit in your food

[full fossil]

What about Canada? I just don't want to live in Europe.

[wary acorn]

Anywhere where the employees literally depend on their tips as a wage is a shithole. If they don't make enough money without tips, its a shithole.

[fossil frost]

"doing your job" isnt exceptional service, you should be paid properly by your employer for "doing your job"... a tip, is what i choose to give for somebody being better than "doing your job"

[vapid smelt]

Never been no clue

[hollow pulsar]

Wow y'all have some pretty bad misconceptions... spitting in food is grounds for a health inspection/lawsuit. It is absolutely unwelcome behavior and can earn you a free meal and the person who spit can easily lose their job.

[pearl robin]

most of europe seems amazing. netherlands got walkable cities, incredible worker protection rights, amazing healthcare, amazing wages?

[full fossil]

I might aswell move to Taiwan now an work for TSMC

[wary acorn]

you'd be surprised

[vapid smelt]

Too close to China

[fossil frost]

it will be IN china in a few years 🙂

[wary acorn]

oh, so you live in taiwan? xD

[vapid smelt]

Or a nuclear waste land

[full fossil]

Unless I'm earning 100k with little taxes I won't be moving. London is walkable and this place is shit

[fossil frost]

no, not at all, i live in the uk

[fossil frost]

a nuclear waste land, IN china

[languid falcon]

I am super glad Linus found the exact same issue I have currently with my cpu

[wary acorn]

might aswell go out with a bang

[fossil frost]

im super glad i went with 3rd gen am4 rather than 1st gen am5 😄

[languid falcon]

kinda makes me wanna switch to intel

[pearl robin]

Living in a big metropolis is very different from a nice little walkable area with great views and housing

[full fossil]

The one where he dropped it and bent the pins?

[languid falcon]

no performance loss

[wary acorn]

If a war starts I don't wanna be torn apart at some front while the people making the decisions sit in their bunkers 300km behind the line, I just wanna be nuked with everybody else in case of war in europe

[languid falcon]

and crashes

[full fossil]

Thoughts?

[wary acorn]

L thoughts

[pearl robin]

I'm sort of strange i guess that I dont really care about earning loads, as long as I can live comfortably in a small house and able to save enough to retire by 60 im chilling. Only benefit or higher wages for me would be to retire early

[fossil frost]

statistically, you are not going to earn 100k at all

[hollow pulsar]

Just have like, 5yo's design cities. They'll design it to be walkable and accessible, with parks and such... They're some of the least-capable citizens in a city and for me, I'd want the least-capable designing and planning cities to benefit everyone.

[pearl robin]

like thats pretty well off in 2023 admittedly but anything over 60k a year is more than I'd need

[normal cargo]

There's always some drawbacks wherever you are innit, as nice as the Netherlands sounds their taxes are high, you pay a stipend for your healthcare on top of that and cost of living is like, stupid high

[full fossil]

As a back end dev there is a very high chance in major cities in the US and Canada

[wary acorn]

Don't have to be a child to have some common sense, city planners in north america just lack that common sense

[languid falcon]

and I went am4 also it is just confirming how sus amd's qc or drivers are

[pearl robin]

yeah theres drawbacks everywhere It's just finding what works best for you. I'll probably judge by average citizen happiness over every other metric

[wary acorn]

^this

[hollow pulsar]

It's more like they have different assumptions - like "Vehicles are the basic mode of transport".

[pearl robin]

america is just 4 car companies in a trenchcoat

[fossil frost]

100k in us dollars is different to canadian dollars, and different in gbp too... and no... 100k+ jobs are very very few and far between... and are jobs that people only get after 10-20 years experience... and if you are basing your lifes happyness on what you end up earning, and setting this arbitrary goal of 100k, you are going to be unhappy for a very long time

[wary acorn]

with lockheed martin and the nra

[full fossil]

Eh, so be it. I'll go for risk then

[wary acorn]

Why do you come here to ask, if you have already made up your mind?

[full fossil]

All I want is enough money to build a top-end gaming pc in a house bigger than 1000 sqft

[versed terrace]

I just got scammed after selling RTX 3090 😦

[vapid smelt]

100k usd with a family you'll won't be as well off as you think

[full fossil]

Go through ebay support

[fossil frost]

"if im not going to catch a fish, im not going to catch a big fish"... ie. try and aim big, you might do well and get that big payout, but, you might not, but you will likely end up hitting something better than if you aimed low... but... just dont be upset if you aim big and fail

[versed terrace]

I can't, im just sharing my pain

[full fossil]

Without a family and no love as I'm a loner

[versed terrace]

800€ is gone

[wary acorn]

and that 1000 sqft house is gonna be gone with the wind because its made of cardboard

[versed terrace]

FML that was money I needed

[wary acorn]

How do you even get scammed on ebay?

[versed terrace]

It wasn't ebay

[fossil frost]

greed

[wary acorn]

If the package is still in the mail you can still stop the delivery

[full fossil]

Sending the item before payment is fuller confirmed in ebays payment processor

[versed terrace]

it was on a local site, someone bought my GPU and he thanked me after he picked it up, he transfered the money over a local bank-bank app, however today he raised a issue saying I shipped it but I never sent him a tracking number

[vapid smelt]

https://kutv.com/weather/wind-damage-photos-downed-trees-semis-as-winds-reach-112-mph-in-salt-lake-city we live in real houses just like Europe

[versed terrace]

And today they took the 800€ from my bank account and let him win the case

[full fossil]

Counter the case

[versed terrace]

So he has his money back and the RTX 3090, since my proof was insuficient that he didn't have the card

[fossil frost]

go back to your bank and tell them what happened, they will dispute the chargeback

[wary acorn]

so you had no written sales contract, no proof that you gave it to him

[versed terrace]

I tried but I lost since my only proof was the chat which is deleted after listing is gone, and the reciept of the card

[wary acorn]

I mean honestly dude you should've known better. People suck, people are greedy.
Just keep that in mind for next time

[versed terrace]

he apparently even police reported it

[languid falcon]

report the card stolen to Nvidia with the sn

[vapid smelt]

Physical money is nice

[wary acorn]

Probably you can't do anything about it now

[versed terrace]

he went all out for this "scam"

[fossil frost]

you need to do the same, make a report, then go back to your bank

[versed terrace]

I can do that tho i don't think that would change much except maybe void warranty

[wary acorn]

yes, if its in person, only cash. cash is king

[versed terrace]

Hmm I could try

[fossil frost]

you will just get a crime number, police will do fuck all other than give you that number, but you can use that as a way to make your bank do some more digging

[languid falcon]

Nvidia can disable stolen gpus

[wary acorn]

can they?

[fossil frost]

with the SN, they can remote brick the card

[versed terrace]

I don't think so tbh and i don't have the serial number either only the product number

[wary acorn]

If you bought it somewhere online you have the serial number

[versed terrace]

The reciept doesn't show a serial number 😦 i'm fucked

[languid falcon]

should've kept it then your fault

[wary acorn]

huh? what kind of receipt doesnt have a sn

[versed terrace]

he got the card in the box and that was the only place that had the serial

[languid falcon]

do you have the box?

[versed terrace]

It says Product ID but i don't think its the serial

[wary acorn]

I mean you probably took a picture of the box when you got it to flex on your friends, look if theres a sn there

[versed terrace]

It might be the serial actually, could i just report that to the serial?

[wary acorn]

trying doesn't cost money

[versed terrace]

Sadly not

yeah good call i'll try contacting nvidia.

[fossil frost]

report to police, use the receipt as proof that you DID have it, and your bank statement to show the money coming in and then going back out, explain it to them as a fraud case, you will get a crime number from them. then you go back to your bank with that crime number, that crime number will then obligate the bank to investigate it as a crime having happened

at worst... do you have home contents insurance? if you do, if you have a crime number, you can claim the card as being stolen (which it is now), with your home insurance, and get it replaced at least

[versed terrace]

Okay honestly i'll do this, thanks

[vapid smelt]

Did you mail it or was it an in person transaction ?

[normal cargo]

What proof did you have ?

[versed terrace]

I don't have contents insurance, i only had the reciept as proof, and my phones location history of me being there where the money was transacted (idk if that location is visible to his bank or something like that)

[normal cargo]

Oh nvm, sorry, jus caught up

[versed terrace]

Face to face

[fossil frost]

as i said, police. bank. try again... if nothing comes of it... then you learned a very expensive lesson... people fucking suck

[versed terrace]

But he wanted to meet at a shopping center, my proof could be i sent the money at the shopping center to him, but idk

[fossil frost]

shopping center will have CCTV, mention that to the police

[versed terrace]

yeah i'll try and explain it tomorrow to the bank and police, i really needed this 800€ so my day got ruined

[versed terrace]

see here is the problem, i thought so too but we met outside

[fossil frost]

you would be surprised at how much cctv there is around that you cant see

[languid falcon]

remember to locate the sn and log it before you sell it always. Because amd or Nvidia can track the person down with the sn if it's stolen or brick it

[versed terrace]

Hmm good call

its close so i'll go there and see if there might be camera

that could literally seal the case and help me as that would be 100% proof he is lying

[vapid smelt]

Did you ask the site for the chat records?

[fossil frost]

ask security at the shopping center if there is a camera covering where you were, and tell them why. they will know better than anyone there

[versed terrace]

Unfortunately they are permanently wiped since I selected the option "The device was sold at this site" and not the "The device was not sold at the site" which is strange, it would make more sense if it was the other way around

or if it just saved regardlessly, but no, they're gone

I asked about it and they said thats impossible and that this is why they only encourage cash as payment on the platform

[vapid smelt]

Could always break-in to his place to get it back

[versed terrace]

I don't know where he even lives lmfao

[fossil frost]

or just burn their place down, because "fuck it"

[versed terrace]

its like

I can't believe this guy planned this out like that, it doesn't seem like the first time he does this

[fossil frost]

professional criminals operate on sites like that all the time, well oiled machine

[vapid smelt]

Keep an eye on his account he might resell it

[versed terrace]

as if selling a RTX 3090 isn't sketchy enough in the first place

[fossil frost]

100% will be sold on their main account, and bought on a burner account

[versed terrace]

I got so many sketchy offers, including someone who wanted to only give 100€ because "its just a spare part"

this guy tho just straight up took it for the 800€ and wanted to meet up asap, didnt wanna negotiate or anything

[fossil frost]

because he knew he was never going to actually pay for it, it didnt matter

[versed terrace]

I think so too, i noticed he had 2 phones with him (the phone he texted on the app from wasn't the one he sent the money from)

he had both in his hand when we met up

[vapid smelt]

Was it a tap pay thing ?

[languid falcon]

I would say something, but it's kinda weird of me to know

[versed terrace]

yeah a local bank-bank app, its kinda like paypal

[fossil frost]

that doesnt make sense, how can your bank say that there is no evidence that he had the card, if you met up in person, and he bought it, in person

[versed terrace]

Because he sent the money, and then he claimed that I failed to ship the card from there on and raised the complaint against me

He claimed I deleted the listing after he asked when I would ship it and now he had nothing (not even my phone number to ask me, so he thinks he's been scammed)

so he just said he needs the money back or need me to ship the card

[vapid smelt]

But he didn't have chat logs saying it would be shipped, and since you are both local it wouldn't make sense to ship it

[fossil frost]

sounds like you got boned by a professional criminal.. speak to the police

[normal cargo]

Yea that's literally daylight robbery

[languid falcon]

I could dm you with some help Era

[versed terrace]

sure i would really appreciate that i am kinda lost

[versed terrace]

yeah.. like he even spoke in a way that makes it sound really belivable like he is like "I want the money back or him to ship the card, but i have no way to contact him now"

fucking sucks

I don't curse often but this just broke me 800€ out the window

[normal cargo]

Yea :/, sorry to hear. Police would be the best and as far as I can tell only option n all, just get whatever evidence you can beforehand obv, CCTV, chat logs, phone messages, bane statements, card receipts / serials etc

Will get a crime number and try figuring out sommat with the bank

[versed terrace]

I mean I guess the first red flag was when he asked me, what I can translate to "you have the cables in the box right?"

and he wanted to meet up somewhere, not see the card work in my pc, as if he didn't care if it worked

Anyone would know that a gpu doesn't come with "cables" if they knew anything about buying gpus

and he just ignored it and went like "oh okay" when I said its not there the cables since they werne't included

[normal cargo]

Yea meeting in a public place is always a no for me, I tend to want to atleast see a car so I can get number plates but ideally a house or cash in hand

[versed terrace]

so he probably didnt know anything about pc building just wanted to resell it or something

[languid falcon]

I dmed you but you don't have dms open @versed terrace

[versed terrace]

ah shit yeah I got spammed a while ago

just add me

@languid falcon

[fluid ridge]

the real travesty here is that he was about to pay 800 euros for a used 3090

ah yes, /nsfw/

[vapid smelt]

Making animals fight each other is nsfw

Nope

Nope

[full fossil]

No

[past egret]

what the fuck is taking up 60gbs in my mac

[gentle slate]

Oh my current cooler can already mount on AM4

[full fossil]

Im at the mall what do i get for dinner

Should i get 40 bean burrito and give them to homeless ppl and they shit there pants

[floral hawk]

chaotic good

[gentle slate]

bro my USB drive disappeared in thin air. What the fuck

[tame mirage]

Homeless people are not your comedic relief

[full fossil]

At least they eat and get fiber

[gentle slate]

Where tf is my USB DRIVE

[full fossil]

Also im bored as shit

[full fossil]

Airtag it or like use find mu

[tame mirage]

exactly where you think it is, but only after you've forgotten you were looking for it

[gentle slate]

but I need it NOW

[tame mirage]

maybe lay a row of M&M's leading to the computer

[twin tendon]

google chrome

[tender geyser]

new phanteks case makes the o11 look bad

[edgy moss]

https://youtu.be/RYf2ykaUlvc

I am a prophet!

[strong kettle]

you boutta get flamed by the people of that religion

[strong kettle]

which one

[strong kettle]

why is it angled???

[tender geyser]

its fuckin cooler that way

[strong kettle]

not for me

[tender geyser]

🤤

[strong kettle]

yea no

[past egret]

nope it was some update cache files that mac left because macos is dogshit

and i cant delete it great

[peak phoenix]

All I can think when I see these elaborate water cooled system is....dear god the maitenance

Well no, I also think "dear god the cost" since none of it is cheap.

[gilded quest]

It comes tilted for all the league players out there

[tender geyser]

true that

[echo canopy]

Same issue happens on iOS. Generally a restart can fix it

[peak phoenix]

lol let me introduce you to the windows update cache...

[echo canopy]

linux update cache

[peak phoenix]

Arch doesn't clear on its own IIRC

[wary acorn]

what's the problem here?

[echo canopy]

Correct, altho you can clear it with -Scc (and in that case all caches) or use paccache to clear it or even automatically with the systemd service.

as always -Scc also works with yay and paru and will also clear their AUR cache

[manic torrent]

The maintenance is not hard. Also the cost of anything. I mean, it's expensive if you're trying to squish decent gaming performance out of not quite enough $, but it's not too bad in the big scheme of things.

[covert drift]

my ip is 194.60.86.120

[ionic abyss]

ok so i found after testing 7.3ghz is the highest all p core oc i can get out of my 12700k period

not even cranking the phase change cooler all they way didnt help go further

no settings helped either in bios

[manic torrent]

great thanks for that

[ionic abyss]

i need to see were the ecores are sittin

[full fossil]

Anyone know why it gives an error when I try to post in #1019713714968088586

[elfin oak]

anyone know where i buy windows 11 key?

[rugged bridge]

what kind of error

[rugged bridge]

apparently you can get it from the microsoft store

[elfin oak]

do they ship something physical or send a key through email?

[ionic abyss]

email more than likely

and win11 is cheap

[ocean linden]

the key is on your MS account, and then you might get an email.

[ionic abyss]

but you can use your old windows 10 key if you didnt know that

i wouldnt buy direct from microsoft but im cheap

[elfin oak]

what if im on windows 11 without ms account

[ionic abyss]

then you will have a watermark

[ocean linden]

you can get the key from your MS account that you logged in with when you bought it.

[bronze wolf]

Where do people buy cheap windows key from?

[elfin oak]

shit do i have to be logged in to microsoft to have windows activated?

[ocean linden]

no.

[ionic abyss]

there are several grey market sites i wont say were but its not hard to find

[ocean linden]

when you buy a key from MS, it makes you log into your MS account on their website.

you can get the key from the website.

you should also get an email with the key sometime after the receipt email shows up.

you do not need to log into an MS account from windows.

[elfin oak]

ight

so i just buy from microsofts website and they email the account i buy it on with the key

[ionic abyss]

if you had windows 10 try that key before buying one though it may work

[elfin oak]

can you have it activated at the same time or do you have to deactivate it?

[ionic abyss]

many windows 10 keys will activate windows 11

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/941412/exchanging-a-windows-10-licence-for-a-windows-11-l

[ocean linden]

even windows 7 keys will activate windows 10 and 11 still.

[elfin oak]

if my windows 10 key is associated with my ms account will it log me in if i use that key on a new computer

[tardy terrace]

my 8.1 key'll activate anything onward

[pulsar violet]

My exact same stratagy, aka 1. Don't care accounts, 2. Important Social, 3. Online Shopping, 4. Banking and Government

[patent fog]

I didn't even know you needed a key for any versions above 8.1. I thought it was a free upgrade from 10 onwards

[tardy terrace]

lolno

[cosmic ore]

You need a key for the initial install, upgrades have been free on activated versions of Windows since 7

(I think even since Vista but it was a bit different iirc)

[lucid echo]

You can activate Win 10 for free through the command line, it's a couple built-in commands

[tardy terrace]

[lucid echo]

https://medium.com/wireless-bidet/how-to-activate-windows-10-using-command-prompt-9c5d248f3420

[full fossil]

[lucid echo]

It's a fun lil' workaround that's typically used to activate OEM machines

[gentle slate]

I still havent found my USB

[tardy terrace]

But you're pointing the KMS to a non-microsoft server.

[full fossil]

Maybe it's in the parking lot somewhere

[lucid echo]

Yep, you sure are, so are most OEMs

[gentle slate]

i havent left the house in 3 weeks

[full fossil]

[tardy terrace]

msguides,com isn't an OEM

[full fossil]

Interesting

[wind pulsar]

Irrelevant, the point still stands

[tardy terrace]

Piracy?

[lucid echo]

I'm aware, that's why I said typically

[ocean linden]

and you don't know what else they might be doing. sending KMS to a random website like that is questionable at best, a virus vector at worst.

[wind pulsar]

You can't just call literally everything you disagree with piracy, lmao

[tardy terrace]

Literal piracy right there

independent free KMS server
not MS
not an OEM

[lucid echo]

I've used the msguides server about a dozen times, and know about a dozen more people who've done the same

[lucid echo]

Yep!

[ocean linden]

right, and it just approves your key, no matter what you have in there. who knows what else they are doing, or when it becomes an exploit route.

you can get legit keys from MS for 10 pro for around $50.

[hybrid dagger]

Is this a windows pirate or what is it used for?

Just curious lol

[hybrid dagger]

Yeah I just do that lol.

[hoary gyro]

i agree

[pliant karma]

only time I gave my money to MS was when upgrading my xps 15 home key to pro lol. Darn you dell for being picky

[lucid echo]

If you know of a way a KMS server response can deliver a virus payload, I'm all ears

[hoary gyro]

i agree to that

[pliant karma]

since I had a backlog of 10 pro keys I salvaged from old desktops before they were scrapped that I could have use but they're OEM so it's hit or miss

[gentle slate]

I just use a KVM license or some shit

[ocean linden]

if you harvested their private keypair from their OEM install, they would work without issue.

[tardy terrace]

I could've sworn this topic was also discussed a few nights ago and got shut down

[pliant karma]

not with dell lol it was picky and wanted a key from MS directly. Also the keys were from HP

But the keys have worked for the systems my friends have built

[manic torrent]

I upgraded my dell XPS13 to enterprise... with works enterprise key.. because I was joining the domain

[pliant karma]

I was tempted on enterprise but later

on my next build maybe

[lucid echo]

AFAIK the response from a KMS is a boolean status, activation count integer, and a timestamp, so it'd be impossible to respond with any executable code. If one of those data types were vulnerable, we'd have much bigger issues than a sketchy KMS server

[robust fjord]

gray market is cheaper too, and it does the same except OEM and is legit'ish'

[pliant karma]

if it was promoting the use of grey keys yes, but ehhh what i spoke/some others are fine

[tardy terrace]

Regarding specifically that website that initiated this conversation

[ocean linden]

the issue isn't the response, its the fact that they have a massive list of known windows installs to target if the site is compromised.

[robust fjord]

true, on another hand Linus.... became a meme for two consecutive times now that went viral(global tier viral)

[lucid echo]

At best they have my IP address and hardware info, which any website using something like the WebRTC API can also do, so I don't really see an issue there

The data sent to/from KMS requests is pretty minimal

[bronze wolf]

Is there such a thing as a usb extender?

[lucid echo]

like an extension cable? for sure

[bronze wolf]

Like it takes a cord that usb and makes it longer

as in like usb 1,2,3

[lucid echo]

Yeah look up USB extension cable on amazon

[bronze wolf]

do you know any good companies for cables?

[lucid echo]

Startech is a decent one

Ugreen isn't bad either

[lucid echo]

https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Extension-Cable-Male-Female/dp/B014RWATK2/ref=sr_1_4
I have several of these

[rugged bridge]

Please note i can not confirm the validity of this response,
According to bing chat;

[bronze wolf]

Yes that’s what I need but I think I need usb 1

[tardy terrace]

...how old is the device?

[lucid echo]

USB3 is backwards compatible

[bronze wolf]

It’s a Logitech g29 so not terribly old

[lucid echo]

$20 they mean usb2

[tardy terrace]

you need a usb 2

[bronze wolf]

But the block is white

[lucid echo]

Just get a USB3 extension like the one I linked in case you need those speeds in the future

[tardy terrace]

usb 1 is from the late 90's

[bronze wolf]

I’ll just get the Amazon basics one if you say they’re good

[tardy terrace]

Also color coding is not always correct.

[lucid echo]

If you mean the tip of the plug has white plastic inside, don't pay attention to that

[bronze wolf]

Maybe Logitech just doesn’t follow the color coding idk

[brave lodge]

actually the 6090 is supposed to run minesweeper at 8282884 fps

[bronze wolf]

Yeah isn’t that what you look for for type?

[rugged bridge]

jokes on them i play minesweeper in powerpoint

[brave lodge]

Not at 8282884 fps

[lucid echo]

Not really anymore. Blue usually means 3.0, but that's the only reliable color
Better to check the number of pins inside

[bronze wolf]

It’s got 4 pins

[brave lodge]

I downgraded my PC by like w2k

[bronze wolf]

Im learning so much about usb today

[brave lodge]

[rugged bridge]

why do USB headers on mobo have more pins then the actual usb ports lol

[lucid echo]

Do you have a PCPartPicker build?

[brave lodge]

It’s still 9800 and has watercooling

[bronze wolf]

So I probably have usb2?

[lucid echo]

Also inv me to the server that has this plz, need to add to my collection

[brave lodge]

By the time I can afford it, it will be less btw

[bronze wolf]

Ok thanks

[lucid echo]

[sage grotto]

[tardy terrace]

[rugged bridge]

chat has died a bit

[tardy terrace]

It do be tuesday.

[wispy marsh]

I just saw the 35min 365 copilot video. Shut-in life here I come!

It's lunchtime

Halfway through the week already

[rugged bridge]

oce i see

[tardy terrace]

I'm so glad my friday is today

[wispy marsh]

It's wednesday noon tho

[tardy terrace]

tuesday evening :D, I'm fri-tues

[manic torrent]

I'm so glad I will feel the sweet embrace of darkness eventually

[wispy marsh]

Cue "One" from Metallica

[tardy terrace]

Is this a death wish or a nighttime wish

[manic torrent]

Because this reality is terrible

[wispy marsh]

Nah, we'll just have to fight against our opponents' AI

[manic torrent]

nightwish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPonioDYnoY

[tardy terrace]

why is her complexion so overdone

[manic torrent]

... because it's a still from the video and that's overexposed for art

are you sheltered?

[tardy terrace]

No, I don't find it very appealing personally, but if you do that's good :D

[patent fog]

She looks hot as a mf

[rugged bridge]

this song goes hard
https://youtu.be/2em-huMyeNk

[manic torrent]

I mean, it's not about appealing, it's an aesthetic, and that's not what she looks like... also I don't care

[tardy terrace]

...'kay? The aesthetic isn't appealing to me personally. Again, if it's your thing then rad, I have nothing against it.

[manic torrent]

you asked why

because that's how someone wanted it, that's why.

[tardy terrace]

You gave a response, and then I gave a response, It wasn't meant to piss you off.

[manic torrent]

your response was in regards to the appeal of it. not why. I gave no indiciation of my thoughts on the matter - because I didn't think of it.

I simply made an amusing music reference.

[tardy terrace]

and that's fine & dandy, but your comment of "are you sheltered" makes it sound like you took offense.

[patent fog]

Let's move on to something else, shall we?

How about the recent AMD CPU chip?

Any thoughts?

[full fossil]

https://youtu.be/YHxgHMXf4Tc

[rugged bridge]

https://youtu.be/YHxgHMXf4Tc

[blazing basalt]

What's everyone do for a living to afford their tech?

[full fossil]

Free load off my parents

[night heron]

chocolate chip cookie dough

[full fossil]

How u get embed?

[rugged bridge]

floatplane

[tardy terrace]

A job normally helps

[night heron]

chocolate chip cookie dough typically

[full fossil]

MSR

[rugged bridge]

you can also get it if you boost server

[full fossil]

Floatplane seems more beneficial

[rugged bridge]

indeed

[full fossil]

Currently working to pay for a year with Mistplay and Swag Bucks

[velvet igloo]

grad money and birthday money at the time

[rugged bridge]

💀
those things.. i wouldnt trust imo.

[blazing basalt]

Usually

[full fossil]

They give PayPal, r/beermoney trusts Swag Bucks

[timid meadow]

Work full time with no kids and a significant other that also works full time. We arent making great money but the no kids part lets us have our own hobbies

[full fossil]

Physical Security?

[blazing basalt]

Same, we call it DINK. Dual Income No Kids

[tardy terrace]

potato-sized goblins running amuck, touching all of your things...

[rugged bridge]

yea but they wouldnt exist if it wasnt profitable for them. theres stuff going on that you dont see, plus its literally easier to just pay for stuff yourself

[manic torrent]

I "work"

[timid meadow]

Yea. Nothing fancy but pays the bills

[plush rivet]

Minimum wage job

[full fossil]

Little problem, I'm in high school

[plush rivet]

Well in progress of getting a Best Buy job so kinda happy

[manic torrent]

I am basically a digital plumber

[plush rivet]

also got an internship for cybersecurity at my local sheriffs department so kinda happy

[manic torrent]

no I mean do you not understand like... makeup? or video? or aesthetics?

[rugged bridge]

dude im 16 but i got a debit card, my own bank. no job yet but pocket money helps

[manic torrent]

OR: are you making a value judgement, why would you do that to yourself.

[plush rivet]

Trust me if you want to do tech, you’ll do anything to learn something

[full fossil]

Well your parents are less annoying

[plush rivet]

Like I’m learning wireshark and going through the user manual is a literal hell, but I’m not about to pay money to learn it

[tardy terrace]

I understand makeup, and various artsy things, but what I am trying to just say is that the extremely white-skinned appearance in the thumbnail is weird to me.

[manic torrent]

which is because it's overexposed

[rugged bridge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tardy terrace]

Overexposure or a face full of flour, to me it's still strange visually

[manic torrent]

parents are the worst

[rugged bridge]

to a certain point yes

[stray apex]

Yes, they get paid for the stuff you do and they give you a portion of that payment

[tardy terrace]

I understand that isn't her natural skintone.

[blazing basalt]

Do you have a home lab setup?

[stray apex]

It's not a terribly complex business model

[manic torrent]

haha, I haven't talked to my parents in a decade. I parent every day though

[rugged bridge]

problem with this is you get payed shit compared to if you did something else

[stray apex]

So? It's not a full time job

[plush rivet]

For?

[blazing basalt]

Learning wireshark

[plush rivet]

Lol no, I’m self taught completely

[manic torrent]

I mean you can just... run it

[rugged bridge]

neither does other stuff have to be haha
but if you really feel like that in particular is worth your time go for it

[plush rivet]

I want to do cybersecurity and I have to learn it somehow

I’ve spent about 3 days and I’m already in hell

[full fossil]

Learn how to set it up or to find vulnerabilities ?

[manic torrent]

just wait until you see the range of layer 8 issues

[manic torrent]

wireshark doesn't really find vulnerabilities as such.

[plush rivet]

both. Currently stuck on what to do with packet bytes because I have 0 clue on how to translate it into actual language I can understand

[blazing basalt]

a home lab can simulate specific traffic other than your youtube videos

[plush rivet]

You need to identify the vulnerabilities

[manic torrent]

I mean... you can make a "home lab" with WSL or a pi, or whatever, it's just... stuff.

[plush rivet]

Or just sniff your own home network, which is what I do

it’s just very confusing and very complex and I’ve barely stepped into learn it

[manic torrent]

you can't really do that with wireshark. Not alone.

[blazing basalt]

Yup, and that's what I was curious about. I like to see what home labs others have created.

[plush rivet]

How did you learn it by chance? I’ve just been doing videos and reading the user manual

[manic torrent]

If I needed to do something like that I'd spin up specific dockers for it.

[manic torrent]

uhhh, i learned networking before wireshark existed 😉

[plush rivet]

Fair enough

[ocean linden]

run a delivery business.

[plush rivet]

it’s just so confusing because I suck at networking alone lol

[manic torrent]

IMHO, start with the basics. Understand the layers one by one - and more importantly, understand why/how the layers are bullshit and interact

[plush rivet]

currently studying for my A+ and network +

[plush rivet]

lol that’s a great way to look at it, is it worth me learning all the protocols? I know like APIPA, DHCP, DNS, all the basics

[blazing basalt]

The OSI model

[plush rivet]

some I’ve just never seen before

[manic torrent]

just core stuff for now - as I said, nail down the basics. 99% of everything these days on the interlols is HTTPS now, and some HTTP

[plush rivet]

Gotcha

the user manual is my best friend….yay……

[manic torrent]

understand the three way handshake, the TCP windowing function

why HTTP/3 is UDP

[plush rivet]

Ya I know the three way, UDP/TCP

[manic torrent]

what a different packet size does to transmission, fragmentation

[plush rivet]

I know all basics of networking, but nothing advanced

[tardy terrace]

When I first started learning networking a sysadmin friend went straight for "learn bgp, ignore everything else"
(I am not saying follow this, it was a headache inducing nightmare that I should not have listened to)

[plush rivet]

I don’t even know what that is 😭

[manic torrent]

is that because he had brain worms?

[tardy terrace]

dude idk my head hurt for like a week

[plush rivet]

Idk I’ve just been asking chat gpt questions about wireshark and it’s been lowkey helping

[manic torrent]

I mean, BGP is nice, but it's something you more or less set and forget. it's either a big problem or a nothing problem

[manic torrent]

you're not learning about wireshark - you're learning about networking. Also how do switches work. How do routers work. How does stateful filtering work. what is a flow. How does deep packet inspection work.

[blazing lily]

Time to build lessgo

[manic torrent]

how and why does a TCP accelerator work

[manic torrent]

I love me some camera rigging

[blazing lily]

I love it more than using the damn thing

[manic torrent]

The monitor is all camera gear 🙂

[tardy terrace]

Hez out here being a big ol' cameradork

the left-most stain looks a bit like the US

[blazing basalt]

That mouse is so comfortable.

[full fossil]

Mini ultra mobile work setup

[random jolt]

that deskpad tho

[plush rivet]

1. Switches allow traffic to be designated only by who requested the data, rather than hubs that send data to all hosts which is inefficient.
2. Routers are simply the gateway that allows a private network to contact the internet safely and securely via a default gateway.
   I learned about stateful and stateless and lowkey forgot. Same with packet inspection
   Everything else is a blank

[manic torrent]

already replaced

[manic torrent]

nono, how, not what 🙂

[plush rivet]

Oh fuck off I can’t do that 😭😭😭

[manic torrent]

You will need to know about ARP

[plush rivet]

Ya Ik ARP

APIPA, DHCP request, reservations

[manic torrent]

also some basic understanding of how binary comparison etc works. As a rule, a packet won't be moved in memory if you want it to be fast, and many routers use ASIC stuff to speed up routing. It's a bit different these days, but if you fell out of the 'fast path' it used to make a HUUUUUGE difference

[plush rivet]

Yeah that’s the stuff I need to learn but not there yet 😅

[manic torrent]

Then you get to arp poisoning

[plush rivet]

I do remember that

[manic torrent]

spanning tree protocol, DHCP storm, blah blah etc

My favourite encapsulation is IPoDNS

[plush rivet]

Currently I’m learning different attacks like zero day, external internal threats, and your making me more curious knowing I haven’t even touched the surface 😭

learning the different malware attack was pretty fun, Trojan, rootkit, SQL injections

[past crow]

Is that keeb a keychron?

[manic torrent]

yep, K1

[past crow]

Cool

[manic torrent]

I am a smart dude, and I've had a LOT longer to learn this than you, and I've worked with some other very smart dudes in the cyber area.

[plush rivet]

Which is fair. I def want to get into cybersecurity but have no idea what field yet 😭😅

[manic torrent]

Take solace in the fact that most people are useless NPCs

[cosmic ore]

https://youtube.com/@BlackHatOfficialYT
https://youtube.com/@DEFCONConference

Check out these channels, they are presentations given by cyber security professionals and show how a lot of these things work in the real world

@plush rivet ^

[plush rivet]

Really cool will def take a look. Thanks a lot

[robust fjord]

sooo amd listened and gave us a power efficient chip (based on review)

[robust fjord]

drawback is it cant OC as well

[cosmic ore]

Listened to whom and when exactly

[robust fjord]

Ltt video on 7950x3d review, and for a surprise they got a lemon at first, no wonder they didnt have review yet despite weeks since release

[tardy terrace]

mfw AMD did it on purpose

[robust fjord]

they suspect Linus will drop and break it if they gave him the 1% er chip for OC thus they gave him the 1%er lemon

[tardy terrace]

Nah if they sent him a golden goose egg someone else would probably end up dropping it

[robust fjord]

but what a efficient chip

it is something that is rare in the age of nuclear powered CPUs and GPUs

[cosmic ore]

(AMD definitely planned these efficiency targets at least 3-4 years ago but I digress)

[dawn anchor]

w h a t i s t h a t

[robust fjord]

the only wrong thing they went with is the performance crown while jankiness is still there, they should have aimed for performance per watt crown

they didnt know they already won there

outside ARM based cpus ofc

[cosmic ore]

The 7040 beats Apple in perf per watt I believe for laptop CPUs

[dusk tiger]

Hi

[digital jungle]

heyy

[manic torrent]

impressive - although it isn't necessarily directly comparable. I'd like to see real world tests. Also windows modern standby-> boooooo

[cosmic ore]

Yeah Windows is a big L

[manic torrent]

I mean windows is USUALLY, OTHERWISE, not too bad.

[cosmic ore]

Agreed, but power management has been a long time issue with no end in sight

My old laptop shuts off randomly when sleeping but that's probably because it's 11 years old

[manic torrent]

yeah - also there's SO much that isn't exposed to the UI. different power management plans that have huge impacts to everything

[tardy terrace]

I only learned about the extreme power plan after getting a 10850k

[fluid ridge]

there's an ultimate performance option for me in my windows settings

It used to not exist

[manic torrent]

They always hold back a bit of performance so they can release it later

[wide cosmos]

hi

[tardy terrace]

gweetings

[full fossil]

Hottest cpu in the world hahaha

[tardy terrace]

is it?

[full fossil]

What does rice lean true the bird fourth amd with cpu ram then goat gpu then 24vram 3060 3050 ok 4090 overkill

[full fossil]

Nah but it was a fucking hothead, I had it for a while it was crazy

[tardy terrace]

I've got it at 5ghz constant, the only time I can make it throttle @90c+ with a dark rock pro is if I peg all 20 threads

I wish I had some faster ram, though. 3200 32gb- It's not bad for being secondhand but I can still tell I'd probably benefit over something faster.

[full fossil]

Yeah the Dark Rock can luckily handle the hottest of hottest

[robust fjord]

4090 is overpriced

[tardy terrace]

pro 2 for a few years now, 4790k couldn't even saturate it but the 10850k 'll do it in a heartbeat

[full fossil]

Ooh the 2 is an oldie, nice that it's still going strong

[sacred mauve]

I don’t believe I actually did it. I installed windows 8.1 pro, on a Chromebook.

[full fossil]

4790K was a great CPU at the time

[tardy terrace]

my 4790k & 32gb is now a project/server box

[full fossil]

Nicee

Love how the 4790K is still going strong

[tardy terrace]

it's a real strong cpu even years down the line

Before that I had an FX8350, before that an FX6100

And before that it was an i5 on LGA775, can't remember the model

[wary acorn]

4770k and 4790k are still very decent

[native swan]

hi

[fluid ridge]

all CPUs are good until they're not 🗿

[viscid geyser]

ReBAR is ew why didn't they turn it off in latest vid

[fluid ridge]

man thats my main quirk with computers, they're so expensive

your 800 dollar CPU is going to be 250 in 4 years, the 3090 you paid 3k for is going to be 500 in 3 years, everything is being nuked by time

[dawn anchor]

is using a network switch like using a cable splitter?

[rugged bridge]

thats more of a hub

[gleaming harbor]

mosty for servers

[tardy terrace]

consider a switch an intelligent creature that can route mail where it wants to go, but a hub doesn't understand addresses or locations, so it just sends everything everywhere until someone accepts the delivery.

[dawn anchor]

what do i use to simply split the connection?

[tardy terrace]

Depends on what connection you're splitting. Is it USB? Video? Ethernet? PCIe?

[dawn anchor]

i'm just trying to split an ethernet connection between 3 pcs

[full fossil]

You are forced to choose: AWS and Vultr or a Raspberry Pi with 100Mb internet

For your server

[tardy terrace]

Use a switch. You can find cheap 4-5-port switches for under $30

[full fossil]

Whenever I move it's gonna be 1Gb all the way

[dawn anchor]

i have a 4-port from like 2005

[tardy terrace]

Is it gigabit? Actually what's the model number

[dawn anchor]

it's somewhere... and idk its old so it might be under spec

and i do need 1gb

[tardy terrace]

standby one please, country of origin?

[full fossil]

I won a pc38x from the drop spring cleaning thing

🥶

[dawn anchor]

?

[tardy terrace]

Nevermind, here you go-
https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-5-Port-Gigabit-Ethernet-Unmanaged/dp/B07S98YLHM/

[full fossil]

I still have 11Mb Internet that gets 3Mb speeds which is 500KB so yeah. I live in a basement apartment and noone cares where there's like 5 flats down here

[dawn anchor]

idk i dont have it my dad just has a bunch of random modems

[dreamy rose]

Windows is far from the best x86 can do anyway.

[dawn anchor]

i've been suriving on sub-10 for probably the last 10 years of my life 😭 i never knew why gigabit was a thing in 2013

[full fossil]

I want to get gigabit but the highest speed in this council flat is 500KB

[manic torrent]

.... I don't fucking care. It's what we have, and it's what most people will be using, and is therefore the relevant metric in this context.

[full fossil]

Waiting 3 days for GTA5 too install was something else lol

[dawn anchor]

i was astonished by the download speeds when i discovered gigabit (-100mb) and downloading big games took a matter of seconds

[dreamy rose]

KB? the fuck are you living in?

[tardy terrace]

I remember the first time I downloaded GTAV using the R* launcher, my modem would turn off every 10 minutes through the download

[full fossil]

Noone wants to install Internet to council flats on London so everyone here is stuck with Internet installed 20 years ago

[tardy terrace]

I couldn't tell if my ISP thought I was a pirate or if the modem was overheating

[dreamy rose]

imagine not just buying it on Steam

[full fossil]

Yoooo hardwarebob long time no see

[manic torrent]

people in council flats are not known for having excessive disposable income

[tardy terrace]

I own it on steam now, but I originally got it before I was able to make my own purchases.

[manic torrent]

yo, I'm just out here, fighting the good fight.

[tardy terrace]

What is an "council flat", it sounds like an HOA apartment complex

[full fossil]

How you been?

[full fossil]

I should clarify that the building I live in used to be a council flat but the government recently sold it and the isp's have decided to install fibre everywhere but in the basement flats

[manic torrent]

government housing

[tardy terrace]

Ahhhh

[manic torrent]

fair to middling, I would say. Nothing terrible, but you know, I live in a late stage capitalist hellscape

[full fossil]

Apartment building for single mom's and drug addicts. Council is selling most of them though

[dreamy rose]

the R* Launcher is shit anyway.

[tardy terrace]

"a late stage capitalist hellscape" I fucking love this

[full fossil]

Which hellscape are you talking about?

[manic torrent]

gestures vaguely

[full fossil]

You're literally wealthy, tf you have to complain about?

[tardy terrace]

points at a globe

[manic torrent]

I am nowhere near as selfish as you are.

[full fossil]

smiles and blushes when you point at the small globe

[tardy terrace]

Please don't cringe rp at me

[fluid ridge]

thats what ive been asking ever since i met mr bob

[full fossil]

Eh, linus makes memes like that all the time

[tardy terrace]

..'kay?

[full fossil]

My globe isn't small yet selth deprecating humor is very funny sometimes

[full fossil]

America?

[manic torrent]

I want to live in a world which isn't destroyed. With people who aren't struggling.

[fluid ridge]

he has been preaching yada yada capitalism bad yada yada for as long as i remember and this dude sits on 200k a year, probably very happily

[manic torrent]

Certainly a part of it

[fluid ridge]

yeah this is cool if you don't benefit an insane amount from the thing you criticize so heavily

[full fossil]

I'm struggling. I guess being poor has made me a selfish hardworking teen

[fluid ridge]

rules for thee, not for me

[full fossil]

[tardy terrace]

I too enjoy these concepts.

[dreamy rose]

thats what a Selfish person would say

[manic torrent]

haha, not close to that much. I earn much more than the average person, but my wife doesn't work, so our after tax income is actually FAR below what you'd expect.

[full fossil]

200k is still 200k

[fluid ridge]

i swear you said you make like 180k or something

[tardy terrace]

I don't think either of you understand the concepts of money.

[manic torrent]

If we had the same total income, but split between us, we would have something like 15k+ more per year

[fluid ridge]

i might be wrong, it's been a while and it's your income though

[full fossil]

Also the fact that your wife dosnt work suggests to me that you are very wealthy

[manic torrent]

also - wealth is not income

[fluid ridge]

oftentimes wealth derives from income

[manic torrent]

I also have a disabled child

[full fossil]

I know, but having a large ammount of assets, wealth suggests you have a high income

[manic torrent]

not in a late stage capitalist hellscape.

[full fossil]

Yeah this is why I left this server

[fluid ridge]

that does not negate the fact that you make fat stacks in the system you rail against 🗿

[spring drum]

I mean stay home parents are a thing

[tardy terrace]

wealth & assets =/= large income, it can point to strategic investments

[manic torrent]

... inherited wealth you mean.

[full fossil]

Im leaving this shithole again lmfao

[full fossil]

I could make this into a meme, you literally use this in every argument. There is a necessity to this and awareness is important but don't use it in every argument

[spring drum]

At least it's not dawiddoesdiscord

[manic torrent]

lol byeeeeeeeeeee

[dreamy rose]

bye

[hot sky]

so hey i don't follow a lot but what happened to bitwit? i know he was on floatplane for a while but im not seeing it there and im not seeing him advertise the floatplane anymore?

[fluid ridge]

🫡 glad you enjoyed your stay

[full fossil]

Man dawid is way better lol

[manic torrent]

.. ? My wife cares for our child. It's pretty relevant to the discussion

[spring drum]

Agree to disagree

[full fossil]

You just got banned for trolling didnt you

[dreamy rose]

bye bye bitwit

[spring drum]

No, actually, late night users are a lot more crude

[tame mirage]

Well, the latest in the Hackening, the Sea of Thieves discord just got raided and nuked

[full fossil]

Most parents are forced to work regardless if they have a disabled child. If it weren't for charities every disabled child would be in a far worse place in the UK

[tardy terrace]

How can you make a meme about someone's disabled child in this situation? Please, I'd love to hear you elaborate.

[hot sky]

im just wondering is all, he popped into my head the other day and i haddn't heard anyhing about him in a while. probaly wrong channel i was just wondering if anyone knew

[tardy terrace]

Please, dig yourself into a trench.

[manic torrent]

and so because we have the option, and we choose to do so, that means what?

[full fossil]

Not that, you misunderstood it. I meant that he used his disabled child to justify something that I don't remember? Umm, I don't know why I did that. Sorry

[manic torrent]

I mean, before we adopted our son, we literally spent 10+ years doing foster care.

[tardy terrace]

♥♥♥ to adoption

[manic torrent]

I literally have a medal from volunteer firefighting

[full fossil]

Means you're probably a hardworking individual with an amazing wife that so happened to get good at their career and become rich.

[manic torrent]

I stopped when we started caring for our [now] son because he was very sick as a baby

[full fossil]

Like my no sleep for 30h brain isn't good so excuse my brain

[manic torrent]

I am not hardworking at all. I didn't happen to get good at my career, I'm good at my career because a) I love it b) I'm good at it c) I worked at it. (but not super hard, fuck) I am also not rich.

[fluid ridge]

wow, you sound like an actually very good guy, if only you just acknowledged that the system that allows you to make so much money perhaps is a necessary evil and that nothing better comes from it

there is no point sitting at the top of the tree, eating all the bananas up there, and then looking down the tree telling others who are trying to climb it "yeah it sucks up here, we gotta change it!"

[manic torrent]

I am LUCKY that my skills are profitable. that's all.

[manic torrent]

you don't understand how this works - I'm playing the same game you are, I'm just doing slightly better. Actually rich people aren't playing by the same rules.

[fluid ridge]

there is no luck, there is a necessity in the value of the work you provide and your employer is willing to pay you quite a hefty amount for your skills

[full fossil]

Maybe growing up poor has broken me inside. I have to work hard for everything I get and my mum being single has to work 12h a day, 6 days a week

[fluid ridge]

if everyone was as skilled as you, your job would be worthless

[tardy terrace]

This is all sounding like thinly-veiled jealousy

[full fossil]

At the end of the day we all want a 5k pc but most of us can't afford one 😂

[manic torrent]

working hard MIGHT get you somewhere, but it's far from a requirement.

[manic torrent]

The funny thing is that my PC is just cost-effective.

[tardy terrace]

I don't want a $5k pc because it'd kick out so much heat my room would be a poorly insulated oven.

[manic torrent]

$200 CPU, $700 GPU (in AUD)

[fluid ridge]

there is no jealousy, I respect folks who work hard and find success, but I have an issue with people who preach things that do not match up with their own values they desperately plead to everyone else

I don't know if you know Hasan, but Hasan is a Twitch streamer who is a socialist and literally preaches for hours on end everyday about equity, fighting for equality, yada yada and in the end man bought a 3 million dollar house and has a wardrobe worth the same value as a small car

[full fossil]

Just use a 1u server rack

And put it in a room somewhere and use a fancy cable to connect it to a monitor

[tardy terrace]

If I could effectively configure a 10850k and a 2080ti in a 1-2u rack and cool it sufficiently, I would 100% do it

Unfortunately I don't have an LTT budget

Honestly I'd love to ITX-ify my system, I've gone pure m.2 storage and I would really like a system I can shove behind my monitor array and not really worry about it

[full fossil]

Test

[tardy terrace]

tseT

[full fossil]

Ah yes that's better. Blue for the legends

My cat staring at me in a messy flat at 5am

[gilded quest]

Cat

[tardy terrace]

omg, you have a voidling too!

the best babies

[gilded quest]

I want a calico or tortie

[full fossil]

I'm in the middle of cleaning I promise it will get better lol

[tardy terrace]

I like your little kitchen

[gilded quest]

Is that a severed foot

[full fossil]

We don't talk about that...

[tardy terrace]

wait, what??

[near nymph]

Huh? How old are you?

Nice you for Pilot!

[full fossil]

In between the ages of 13 and 21

[near nymph]

Nice foot in the background.

[near nymph]

Ah that explains your view on life

[full fossil]

I have no veiw on life, I just enjoy saying random stuff and seeing people's reactions

[tardy terrace]

what

[near nymph]

I dunno I was reading what ya said to hardwarebob.

Seems like you do have a view on life

[full fossil]

I believe none of that. This is a tech server and not a life Improvement server. What I said to hardware Bob was mearly random. It's 5am and I haven't slept

[near nymph]

there wasn't a need for an excuse but okay ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tardy terrace]

It's not tech 100% of the time, life crosses over in every aspect.

[near nymph]

We don't always talk about tech. We also talk about random crap like pets

Check out this poosy

[full fossil]

This wasn't an excuse, it's merely the combination of hundreds of hours of machine learning on twitter. Everything I've ever said here may be real and may not.

[tardy terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/maxwell-the-cat-gif-27272115

[near nymph]

Gosh CNCed Safety Razors are fun

[dreamy rose]

ppl can view your life in RT?

[tardy terrace]

This sounds like a mistake happened

[dreamy rose]

finger gone

[tardy terrace]

cheek fileted

[near nymph]

It's a more sustainable way to shave. 😄 to only waste is a double edge blade.

[tardy terrace]

I'm still budgeting for electro

begone, facial hair

[near nymph]

I don't mind shaving. 😂 It's kinda fun

[tardy terrace]

It's obnoxious at best for me lmao

[near nymph]

Have you tried traditional wet shaving?

It's kinda fun. Bunch of soaps. Different razors with different Preformance. Etc

[tardy terrace]

I'd rather have no shadow. The less masculine the better

[manic torrent]

I live in a rental house and drive a 2007 subaru 😄

[full fossil]

ouch

[fluid ridge]

and you have the luxury to choose to do that, but with all things said after today I have gained a lot more respect for ya

[near nymph]

@manic torrent pssh message request

[manic torrent]

you know, it does tell me 😛

[quaint hemlock]

Y’all

[near nymph]

It doesn't tell me when people send me one haha

[quaint hemlock]

How would I know if I got zip bombed

[manic torrent]

if your PC exploded