public-chat

[random jolt]

think my total sleep last week during midterms is like 10hrs for 5 days

[unkempt widget]

tbh people are misled to thinking that university is important, and that everyone should take uni

[random jolt]

for certain majors it sorta is

[unkempt widget]

i mean it's important for some people, not for everyone though

[wind pulsar]

And you already missed the point

[random jolt]

the point being?

[unkempt widget]

people are too often pushed to take sats and take on a student loan to enroll in university

[random jolt]

yeah that's def tru

[unkempt widget]

and that sucks, because not everyone needs to go to university, and the loans can break someone's entire life

[wind pulsar]

The point is what you just upvoted

[random jolt]

yeah that's why I agreed with it

[wind pulsar]

People are being misslead that it's necessary for everything

[random jolt]

and said for certain people and majors

[wind pulsar]

Correct, which wasn't the what they said at that point

[unkempt widget]

at this point, i won't be surprised if you told me university graduates earn less than those who go to vocational scchools

[wind pulsar]

Oh dw, there's lots of cases where people who don't even have a highschool diploma earn more than lead engineers with a masters

[unkempt widget]

my dad doesn't have a high school diploma, he started a logistics company lol

[wind pulsar]

It's also one of the few things Elon Musk does right with his companies lmao

If you want to start at e.g Tesla, you don't need a certificate for shit

[unkempt widget]

no wonder their cars blow up
||/j||

[wind pulsar]

They generally prefer people that actually know their shit instead of having three bachelors

[crimson glade]

I'd love to see some stats about what credentials Tesla employees have, and what their roles are. Guarantee you the vast majority of the engineers there have degrees.

[unkempt widget]

bruh second biggest regret in life is joining mun club, why is this such a bureaucratic mess

[wind pulsar]

Indeed, but that's also not the point

[normal cargo]

Bachelors can deffo help when starting out tho, and is usually required for something like an apprenticeship. In most cases experience trumps all but getting that experience can sometimes only be gained through certifications.

[cerulean saffron]

agreed... outside of fields like medicine/law, you barely learn anything proper from "education"... I chose the best of both. Got a masters while skipping most classes, staying home and learning everything myself

[unkempt widget]

ig it's a good model then

[crimson glade]

What's the point then? Degree != competency? Well yeah, obviously.

[wind pulsar]

I won't discuss this either, the fact they even allow people without degrees in this kind of environment is a crazy thing to think about in a society where your degree goes over your skills

[sand wadi]

hi

[normal cargo]

Ey?

[craggy moon]

Good morning ☕️

[crimson glade]

Morning Ted

[normal cargo]

Good moaning

[crimson glade]

Ya'll tried Spotify's new AI DJ?

[unkempt widget]

it's y'all, not ya'll

[crimson glade]

you all, y'all

[unkempt widget]

you just proved yourself wrong

[normal cargo]

Maybe he meant ya, all

[wary summit]

which one

[unkempt widget]

i'd take the matte black screen tbh

[plush rivet]

I mean in the context for doctors for example, they don’t have much of a choice. Either spend 100K on school or lose your dream job

[wary summit]

both the same matte

[craggy moon]

Speaking of AI im a longtime Linus viewer on YouTube, I just popped finally in here because Bing gave me an existential crisis and I had to talk about it 😂

[unkempt widget]

oh i thought the right one is glossy

[unkempt widget]

yeah, but we're talking about the general populace

[wind pulsar]

Yes, but that is also one of the jobs where going to university makes sense

[unkempt widget]

in china, starbucks doesn't allow you to become an employee unless you're a university graduate

(which is 10000000% bullshit btw)

you said ya'll, it should be y'all

[crimson glade]

lmao I did eh, brutal. Haven't finished my coffee yet

[plush rivet]

Gotta learn how to make coffee somehow

[unkempt widget]

💀

also smth that i like about china is that interns get paid

[plush rivet]

Idk currently I’m on track to do public collage, than go to uni for cybersecurity. Hopefully I get picked up by a company because that’s like 50K I gotta pay for that degree

[wind pulsar]

Tbf China is also one of the few societies where you're automatically a failure if you didn't go to university

[dreamy rose]

for the love of god those complaining bout this need to shut up.

[plush rivet]

I’m trying my hardest not to go to collage, but idk how else I can’t

[sand pumice]

What’s the best am5 AIO.. I assume three fan but what model

[crimson glade]

My brother did a degree in cybersecurity. Took him a while but he landed at an insurance company, doing decent now.

[unkempt widget]

bruh, my typing speed is bottlenecked (🤮) by the slowmode

[crimson glade]

Just hit enter less.

[unkempt widget]

good point
shit i should've listen to myself there

[wind pulsar]

There's a few, EK-Basic, Liquid Freezer II and LT and LS-series

But for AM5, you don't need a good cooler, you can have the cpu run on a single tower cooler and keep 90+% ov it's power

[plush rivet]

I see. I mean don’t most companies require a degree in cybersecurity to be able to even be qualified?

[dreamy rose]

dont write small messages. simple

[wind pulsar]

I have no idea why I keep making GIFs of my XIV characters dancing

[unkempt widget]

you just contradicted yourself tbh, but sometimes it's all you need, like right now, i'm just writing bullshit that is completely and utterly unnecessarily

[mint yacht]

Please don't crosspost

[dreamy rose]

me neither

[plush rivet]

I’m lowkey getting more jealous every time I see your pfp and it makes me want to continue my subscription for the game.

[crimson glade]

Most companies require a degree for pretty much any job at this point.

[wind pulsar]

It'll run at 90C no matter what anyway, truthfully. So again, you don't need the best AIO to run it, especially not the X3D which draws significantly less power

[dreamy rose]

when you write small messages in a short Span, its pointless. just say it all at once, Slowmode wont be a problem. simple as that

[plush rivet]

Which is so annoying. Currently I’m studying for my COMPTIA A+ and network+ and my ultimate goal is to receive an CISSP cert as that REALLY puts you on the map. I’m just trying to see if I really need collage for any of this.

[unkempt widget]

but you have to admit that it's somewhat annoying and frankly, unnecessary

[wind pulsar]

Just renew it ig? Idk what's stopping you lmao

[plush rivet]

even now I’m trying to get knowledgeable with wireshark

[plush rivet]

Being broke

[dreamy rose]

you need College/ higher education to get anywhere today.

[wind pulsar]

Sucks

[unkempt widget]

btw is it
The United States "have" also ...
or
The United States "has" also...

[plush rivet]

Depending on tech you don’t need to. I know plenty of people who did help desk and are now senior networking admins and have 0 collage degree. Which is my point

[normal cargo]

Depends if you can get in as an apprentice or work your way up

[unkempt widget]

what's a collage degree?

[normal cargo]

I know people who got jobs on portfolio alone

[crimson glade]

My little bro did his degree, then spend a couple years installing fibre cables while working on certifications before he finally got a job in cybersecurity.

[plush rivet]

That piece of paper that says your cool

[unkempt widget]

that's a college degree, not a collage degree

[crimson glade]

Sure, certain fields portfolio can get it done. I could probably have skipped getting my software engineering degree and just gone straight to work. But for cybersecurity? Good luck.

[plush rivet]

Don’t try to nit pick, you know what I meant

[unkempt widget]

impossible for me

[plush rivet]

Interesting. Do you know way he does specifically?

Because that I have no idea what specific job in cybersecurity I want

[unkempt widget]

preventing ltt from being hacked

[normal cargo]

Yea software engineering is literally what I was thinking of when I mentioned that, but I've also known people to go into the cyber security space with very little experience. My mate worked for a pretty big American firm with no degree, and not much experience tbh

[plush rivet]

Impossible

[dreamy rose]

be like Mutahar and make YouTube videos about drama while having a degree in Cybersecurity

[scenic valve]

hello

i just wanted to talk about something

[crimson glade]

Not really specifics, his title is something like "Security Analyst" for an insurance company

[plush rivet]

sadly I don’t have money to throw around to do it

[dreamy rose]

what Mac are you? are you running on PPC?

[scenic valve]

no no thats just my gaming name

[dreamy rose]

lies, you're a Macintosh.

[eager venture]

I don’t think google is gonna hire me if I don’t graduate form hs or uni

[plush rivet]

Do you know if he did internships by chance? And if he did do you know how?

[unkempt widget]

i myself am a mcintosh

[scenic valve]

no i use windows and android and im on an acer aspire 3

[plush rivet]

Minimum they need is hs. If you can code they’ll hire you

[scenic valve]

i want to get more fps on minecraft

and i want some help with it

[unkempt widget]

specs? current settings? version?

[dreamy rose]

you're an Apple? what a sad life that would be. growing only to get eaten.

[scenic valve]

one sec ill send it

[gentle slate]

Would it be problematic to slot an x16 gpu in an x1 slot?

[plush rivet]

Say goodbye to your bandwidth

[gentle slate]

or 16x and 1x rather. idk the proper way to call them

[eager venture]

And the best way to learn more advance computer science stuff is at uni

[dreamy rose]

performance yes, physically not entirely

[eager venture]

Ap cs is to easy I had to get a tutor to learn extra stuff

[gentle slate]

how much would it struggle with performance? Its like an RX560

[crimson glade]

I'm in Canada, so might be different down in the states. His uni had a co-op program, so he did a couple semesters of paid work as part of his degree. The school organized most of it.

[scenic valve]

Device name AtlasOS-Desktop
Processor AMD A4-9120e RADEON R3, 4 COMPUTE CORES 2C+2G 1.50 GHz
Installed RAM 8.00 GB (7.40 GB usable)
Device ID 7FA8D28B-F49B-4598-8C4E-3A7E33AC05F9
Product ID 00331-10000-00001-AA146
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Pen and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display

[gentle slate]

I want it for League and a 2d spess game from 2002 that only runs on windows

[scenic valve]

i loaded it with atlas os 2 years back and i have been tweaking it

[unkempt widget]

OH NO

[dreamy rose]

its 1/16th the bandwith

[gentle slate]

so 1/16th the performance?

[plush rivet]

True, but you can 100% learn to code for free, but yes a uni is useful, but google have a ton of employees who just get google certs and they’re fine

[unkempt widget]

nope, 0 difference, unless the gpu is limited by its bandwidth (very possible with a 1x3.0 slot)

[dreamy rose]

if it maxes out the bandwith of a 16x slot yes.

[scenic valve]

why oh no

[plush rivet]

If your GPU needs more bandwidth, it’s gonna be hella screwed

[scenic valve]

i want some tips on how to increase the performance of my laptop other that the ones i have already seen on youtube

i play mincraft 1.8.9 with 90 fps

[dreamy rose]

that CPU is low end 2019...

[scenic valve]

but a lot of loading and lag issues

[gentle slate]

so my x1 slots support 4Gbps

[unkempt widget]

here's a comparison of your cpu against other ones

[scenic valve]

i know but i cant spend money upgrading it

[unkempt widget]

yours is the second column btw

[full fossil]

CAN ANOTHER FLOATPLANE PERSON HELP ME?
#pilot-toast

I want some help in a CALM chat.

[dreamy rose]

its a laptop. you cant upgrade the CPU.

[dreamy rose]

nien!

[wind pulsar]

I refuse to believe a 1700X beats a 12100F

[scenic valve]

so what else can i do

[unkempt widget]

because this benchmark probably favors multi-core performance

[normal cargo]

My mate I mentioned above managed to get a job with a place called alert ?, with the same job title, Straight from being a dev, he knew a bit about web security, pen testing n shit, but had no degree or specific experience in that field

[dreamy rose]

using Optifine?

[cerulean saffron]

I'm done with masters in CS and it felt like they haven't updated what they teach in 15 years... Still dealing with old school CS from early 2000s. The only good thing they did was "go research on your own" but besides a few who had interest, my classmates just copy pasted ML/AI projects entirely and were done with it...

It depends way too much on the course / it being updated to the latest ongoing stuff, and the profs/teachers

[scenic valve]

already doing that

would changing my os matter that much

[dreamy rose]

well i guess if your settings are down low already you're screwed

[wind pulsar]

Try Fabric Sodium then, usually lifts your FPS drastically more than Optifine does

[scenic valve]

fabric wont work ias i only play 1.8.9 and pvp

[unkempt widget]

turn off particles?

[cerulean saffron]

You should try Iris, Sodium and a lot of optimization mods with Fabric. It's worth it... my RTX 2080Ti / Ryzen 9 5900x PC was getting 45fps with OptiFine and went to over 120 with optimization mods alone (with shaders)

[scenic valve]

cause 1.19 is so laggy for me

[wind pulsar]

Then play more than 1.8.9, Sodium will be worth it

[scenic valve]

i play only 1.8.9 as it doesnt lag that much

[dreamy rose]

Linux makes your PC MUCH faster on the desktop but gaming can be iffy. Minecraft is native. should be the sameish

[unkempt widget]

hmmm i found a cpu that yours beat @scenic valve

[scenic valve]

higher versions only lag even with sodium phosphor

[normal cargo]

Would say it depends on uni n all, I did my comp sci in 2 different places and the 1st campus had students more clued up than the teachers

[scenic valve]

i understand

does changing my operating system to a custom one meant for gaming work better

[unkempt widget]

lunar gives me more fps than just optifine

[mild otter]

Gaming isn't very iffy anymore (much) unless you play anti cheat games

[mild otter]

[scenic valve]

i havent purchased minecraft i play cracked lunar and i will buy the game when i start earning myself

till then im on cracked lunar

[dreamy rose]

i didn't say Compatibility, i said Performance

[wind pulsar]

Ah, I'm not helping a cracked user lmao

[unkempt widget]

you pvp on CRACKED MC???

[mild otter]

My point still stands minus the last part

[cerulean saffron]

Windows runs a lot of crap in background so yup it will make a big difference

[unkempt widget]

bro how many cheaters do you have

[scenic valve]

no i dont cheat i play normally just with a cracked account

[wind pulsar]

Yeah, there's fairly popular servers specifically for cracked users

[unkempt widget]

ik, it's just infested with cheaters

[scenic valve]

i play on blocksmc nothing else

[mild otter]

I was gonna help hem and now I wont

[normal cargo]

Oh noes pirates abound lol

[dreamy rose]

not when its cracked. anybody running cracked Linux games? dont think so

[wind pulsar]

Nah, they often just ipban you, lol

[mild otter]

You can

[scenic valve]

i dont play on high end servers i just practice pvp on blocksmc

[wind pulsar]

It's not the best solution, but is enough for the majority of hackers

[scenic valve]

i play bedwars bridge skywars etc

[mild otter]

Still cracked mc it doesn't change anything

[unkempt widget]

hey guys, what's a pirate's favourite letter

[crimson glade]

I must be getting old, people are doing PVP minecraft now?

[dreamy rose]

and how many people provide said downloads for such software?

[cerulean saffron]

I don't think it makes that much of a difference if the game is "cracked"... It's still the same thing unless it's full of malware or something (which is a possibility)

[mild otter]

R

[normal cargo]

Johnny Depp film

[unkempt widget]

you might think that, but it's actually the C

[wind pulsar]

Err, yes, that has been booming hard ever since Bedwars was released around 2017

[mild otter]

It's as simple as downloading the exe and running with wine or proton

[unkempt widget]

people have been playing pvp minecraft since 2011 lol

[dreamy rose]

its the CCD actually

[scenic valve]

look i know im cracked but i cant help it i love gaming and i wanna buy the game but i have no one to help me im not asking for help with that i just want some tips to help my laptop for free

[wind pulsar]

Not to an amount it was relevant

[polar fern]

Don’t forget to touch grass & look at plants.

[restive kindle]

guys how to i get low ping?

[normal cargo]

Bout as easy as getting a legit game to run, do it on the deck

[mild otter]

Research yourself or buy the game and you can get support that way

[dreamy rose]

hey, you typed that out, not in your mind

[unkempt widget]

there was sg blitz in 2013

[restive kindle]

im genuinely clueless

[crimson glade]

Ah, I haven't really played since the alpha days lol

[dreamy rose]

dont need Deck to game on linux.

[polar fern]

Low ping means you want to have devices that are not too busy between your computer and the rest of the Internet

[wind pulsar]

Yes, but it never had a major eSport presence, Bedwars did almost immediately (ESL)

[unkempt widget]

and skywars in 2014-2015
btw @restive kindle you need to move closer to where the server is

[mild otter]

Like on purpose? Connect to servers far from you or a lag switch(don't recommend as some think it's cheating) or network limiter (also maybe cheating

[restive kindle]

i dont understand

[normal cargo]

No, that's just my use case for it.

[unkempt widget]

bedwars had esports?????? why did nobody tell me that???
the closest we got to minecraft esports was minecraft mondays

[wind pulsar]

Yeah lmao
Skywars also only got relevant when Bedwars calmed down in popularity

[mild otter]

The closer you are physically to a server the faster the speed

[restive kindle]

i just want to be able to play games (online) with low ping

[unkempt widget]

and minecraft mondays was hosted by someone who is now not cool

[scenic valve]

should i switch back to normal windows 10 or stick with atlas if i want better fps

[mild otter]

You don't

[restive kindle]

hmm also any other upgrades?

[mild otter]

Get better wifi kek

[unkempt widget]

really? i've seen a lot of skywars videos on youtube that were back in 2016

[restive kindle]

bruh

[dreamy rose]

yeah majority of people are gonna be playing on Deck but deck isn't the only way and gaming on the linux desktop should be more popular already.

[unkempt widget]

use ethernet maybe

[mild otter]

What. You want better ping get higher speeds. Try an Ethernet cable if that doesn't work upgrade your router or WiFi or move your router close to your computer

[restive kindle]

my crap laptop dosent have ethernet plus ill be upgrading to a desktop so yea

[normal cargo]

It's can still be a ballache to daily drive, windows just works. I've got no beef with Linux like

[restive kindle]

how much does upgrading roututer work?

[mild otter]

Then go closer to ur router. Are you sure it's ping and not fps?

[full fossil]

some people want ethernet on phones and every time i read the reasons why i want to hang myself on a fan

[dreamy rose]

bullshit, Windows DOESNT work. shit breaks just like people say linux does.

[full fossil]

what about a usb hub

[mild otter]

Ask your ISP if you are the person who is paying for the wifi

[restive kindle]

100%, i play games that demand low gpu power

[gentle slate]

I've yet to see either break badly

[wind pulsar]

I've never had any problems running anything in Windows, surprisingly enough lmao

[mild otter]

Online or offline games

[restive kindle]

im not, my dad is paying for it

[unkempt widget]

usually it works after a reboot

[restive kindle]

online games

[unkempt widget]

but in linux, instead of reboot, you need to be root

[mild otter]

Ask your dad to upgrade it because it makes some tasks impossibly slow and laggy

[dreamy rose]

literally wasted money on Gamepass because windows decided to fucking murder the Games running off the store

[robust fjord]

it has more cores

[restive kindle]

what speeds do you recomend?

[wind pulsar]

Everything I do just works for me, to the point that I genuinely ask myself how people are able to break literally EVERYTING they get their hands on

[unkempt widget]

in gaming performance, a 12100f destroys a 1700x lol

[mild otter]

High (idk I don't pay for my wifi)

[robust fjord]

it is slower single core

[restive kindle]

specify

[jaunty compass]

pov: you don't know how multicore works

[dreamy rose]

instead of rebooting, you can do your work

[robust fjord]

since gaming requires few fast cores yeep

[mild otter]

Idk just a step or 2 up from where you are

[unkempt widget]

bruh did you just accuse akira of not knowing how multicore works???

[robust fjord]

but anything multithreaded: 💀

[wind pulsar]

That's not even true wtf

[robust fjord]

I meant 1700x is slower than 12100f single core man chill

[astral hedge]

How do I receive the floatplane role?

[wind pulsar]

Then say so girl

[unkempt widget]

you subscribe to floatplane?

[astral hedge]

I am subscribed

[wind pulsar]

I do, that's usually just not relevant in gaming
I rather don't know how CPUMark works than multicore

[robust fjord]

subscribe, then link discord from floatplane in your profile

[normal cargo]

Behave mun, I'm not trying to piss on linux but in ease of use Windows is where it's that, trying to problem solve issues on Linux can be a right pita.

[jaunty compass]

there was a single core result right about the big multicore number pepega

[robust fjord]

I wanna get 5950x, but my motherboard will have a very short lifespan if I do

[astral hedge]

thanks

[wind pulsar]

I have the attentionspan of a goldfish (mainly because I don't care), so of course I only read the big numba

[full fossil]

Are u dutch?

[dreamy rose]

Linux is easy to use, majority of people would benefit from it over windows.

[astral hedge]

I am

[wind pulsar]

A 5950X is great, but also super unnecessary lol

[full fossil]

Welcome to the club 😄

[dreamy rose]

again. peoples complaints are mainly solved by Linux.

[unkempt widget]

bruh just installing drivers made me cry

[normal cargo]

Like I said when you run into issues it can be a ballache, especially when it concerns drivers

[full fossil]

I'm belgian-dutch.
But also have floatplane sub. Yay, I don't feel alone anymore

[wind pulsar]

And then they complain about things that are guaranteed to work in Windows but don't in Linux, what a great time to be alive

[unkempt widget]

a majority of people have never used a command prompt before

[dreamy rose]

Drivers in general are a pain in the arse

[robust fjord]

well yeah, I just like more stuff on this graph 💀

[wind pulsar]

I press six clicks, boom installed on Windows

This is only more simplified if I use AMD on Linux

[unkempt widget]

and i spent 2 hours looking up commands to install drivers

until finally figuring out that i can't install the latest drivers, and i have to install version 430

[wind pulsar]

Ig try getting a cheap 32 core somewhere lmao

[dreamy rose]

why are you doing that when the package manager has the packages for it?

[unkempt widget]

package manager?

[robust fjord]

well I saw a 5950x for 400 bucks, if it gets way lower than that its a steal

[wind pulsar]

Because barely anybody new knows that there even IS a package manager

[dreamy rose]

or "App Store" if you wanna be simple

[small zephyr]

🤔 any recommendations what to print with my 3d printer?

[unkempt widget]

oh, well the nvidia drivers weren't on the app store

so i had to do it manually

[dreamy rose]

i call BS, i can find 390 perfectly fine

[robust fjord]

on another hand @wind pulsar I saw a 2080ti selling for 100 bucks as defective, should I try my luck on it?

[wind pulsar]

Hell no, the cheapest core up you could go for is an XE SKU, those are usually with 18 cores

[unkempt widget]

i used kde neon btw

[normal cargo]

7900 for 390 ? 🙂

[wind pulsar]

Usually a waste of time imo, but you do you

[robust fjord]

well if I can get it for 60 bucks, ill try

[wind pulsar]

They meant a 32 core

[normal cargo]

Ahh my bad

[unkempt widget]

well 32 threads but yes

[dreamy rose]

that already should install Drivers at install then, no?

[robust fjord]

since history shows the card was not used for 1 year, then found dead 💀

[unkempt widget]

nope, i checked, drivers were from nouveau

[dreamy rose]

the Debian based stuff normally do it.

[dreamy rose]

you installed with the Open source option then.

[unkempt widget]

i left everything in the settings untouched when i installed

[dreamy rose]

you select before you get into the live environment

[unkempt widget]

if open source option for drivers was enabled by default, that's a big mistake tbh

[gentle slate]

Yep, getting a 2nd PC for gaming seems to be the best solution to my current problem.

[dreamy rose]

open source is the only one in the Kernel. cant package proprietary drivers in the kernel.

[full fossil]

stop hacking ltt :V

[gentle slate]

whats wrong with open source drivers

[dreamy rose]

fuck, Cuphead was 5 years ago? really?

[unkempt widget]

which is a big negative tbh, on windows, you just search up "nvidia drivers" and you download that, simple, but downloading through console is quite overwhelming, considering people are generally not very good with computers

[dreamy rose]

Nvidia. mostly

[gentle slate]

why would you use nvidia

[unkempt widget]

oh hey, haven't seen you in chat for a while

[dreamy rose]

75% of people do.

[full fossil]

that means i was happy :V

[unkempt widget]

why not? it's not about the company, it's about the products

not every nvidia product is worse than amd, and vice versa

[unkempt widget]

https://tenor.com/view/sadge-cliff-sad-saaadge-gif-18209034

[shut violet]

I started as helpdesk at 17 without a degree and now am a fully remote technical helpdesk manager

[full fossil]

if its not GPL v3 license, its not a real software :V

[shut violet]

Took a little longer but the experience helps a lot with this sort of role. And, sorry, scrolled!!

[full fossil]

hru btw? xP

[dreamy rose]

not the fault of Linux Nvidia is Greedy and wants their shit locked tight. you want it fixed? go beat up Jensen about it. or threaten a Source code leak again.

[full fossil]

omg, who put this slow af chat slowmode

[unkempt widget]

currently writing a position paper for mun club for school
just like the real un, this is a fucking bureaucratic nightmare

it's not my fault i can't write 500 words for a position paper when i'm concise!!!

[full fossil]

A+

[unkempt widget]

i got 3 of them in my report card 😎

[full fossil]

very cute, ill put it on the fridge xP

[unkempt widget]

sadly those grades mean jack shit >:(

[gentle slate]

yall, do USB switches exist?

I wanna hook up 1 keyboard to 2 PCs.

[unkempt widget]

some keyboards have that functionality

[normal cargo]

Rip

[gentle slate]

not simultaneously, but easily switch between computers

[unkempt widget]

i'm pretty sure a lot of keychron keyboards have that

[cerulean saffron]

Use MouseWithoutBorders

[gentle slate]

hows the delay on those things

plan is to have a 2nd PC for windows only games while my main just runs linux.

[cerulean saffron]

I have 2 normal PCs, 1 server, 1 laptop in the same room and I use mousewithoutborders all the time. All devices are on LAN with laptop being the only thing on WiFi but for non-gaming related tasks, I cant notice a difference

I'd say hook your mouse/keyboard into the PC for gaming since you want lowest latency there

[stable reef]

I had a dream that artifacts were on my screen 💀

[cerulean saffron]

is your screen expensive 😂

oh wait if its artifacts, it could also be the GPU...

[fervent prairie]

I had a dream where your profile picture ended with a Jojo reference

[unkempt widget]

hey guys do you think that it would be on character for the us to bring up thorium nuclear energy in a un meeting?

[tired glade]

Hydrogen

[steel mirage]

Oxygen

[tropic turtle]

[wary acorn]

I mean it would be more on character to announce another oil based invasion

[spiral summit]

The good ending

[brave lodge]

[tired glade]

Use VPN if you don't trust public network

[stable reef]

No, randoms are gonna put a rat on your pc

Its a joke

[tired glade]

Technically, you can find work around VPN

[blazing lily]

if youre this worried about it, dont use public wifi

[brave lodge]

That’s what I call a gaming mouse

[tired glade]

My friend lost twitter account without losing email and password with 2fa on it

[stable reef]

Download all you want, only thing I wouldnt do is log into stuff

[tired glade]

Even twitter doesn't know how it was done

[brave lodge]

Yes

[dapper skiff]

hi

[tired glade]

Hey

[devout hare]

https://twitter.com/nukboii/status/1634186742415646720?t=N1_5pCfc9crBJgZ3QcA4nw&s=19

[unkempt widget]

i'd have to sound apologetic

[glass vapor]

my ap comp sci class feels mad slow now

i think it's cuz we're almost done with all the units with 2 1/2 months left

[tired glade]

You are safe until someone really wants to target you

[glass vapor]

we have like 4 lessons left lol

[tired glade]

Go offline for a year or so

[unkempt widget]

i'd rather die tbh

[tired glade]

0$ on account or offline?

[unkempt widget]

oh well, not like they'll send a hitman to my house, not like i have any serious important stuff

[tired glade]

That save bet

[unkempt widget]

i could always just make new accounts for everything

[tired glade]

Your bank account already gone by that point

[unkempt widget]

don't have it online 👍
tbh we're being overly anxious, there's a higher chance of just getting mugged at this point

[unreal dome]

i keep having dreams where i accidentally steal something

[unkempt widget]

and i will not stop going outside if there's a chance of getting mugged, why should i stop being online if there's a chance to getting hacked

[void scroll]

Accidentally?

[unkempt widget]

are you really living? or surviving, really. it's your choice, but i'd rather die while living a happy life than to live my life dragged out and bored

[unreal dome]

like say im helping someone clean up after class and like i steal their pen

[tired glade]

If you are getting targeted*

[unkempt widget]

it's called a dream lol

[unkempt widget]

well there's just as much chance i get targeted for a cyberattack as chance i would get targeted for someone to jump me

[void scroll]

I stole some triple a batteries when i was like 6

[tired glade]

Time to go full off grid

[unkempt widget]

in fact, that chance is much lower, as anyone has the power to stab a knife into someone else, but a slim minority of people know how to hack into my account

[tired glade]

Do it again after coming back home

[unkempt widget]

and plus, prevention against cyberattack is much easier than prevention against getting shot and killed

and getting hacked is only a small part of your life, getting shot is your entire life gone

[void scroll]

Apparently macs have a feature when you’re being targeted

[tired glade]

Hackers also know about it

[void scroll]

I feel like someone covered it in a video

Im gonna make a vpn just for netflix

[tired glade]

No

[void scroll]

I think it limits some online capabilities

[tired glade]

Check 2 days old Linus video

[void scroll]

What how

[tired glade]

Jumping ip to be extra secured

Just different

Point of VPN to give you different ip

[void scroll]

My less tech savvy brother changed our router like 4 times trying to find a perfect one

[tired glade]

Or that

Yes,to hid your IP on our public WiFi,that why you use VPN on public WiFi

[dull granite]

"ROGROGROGROGROGROGROGROGROG"

• any ASUS high-end "gaming" motherboard

[tired glade]

Also

[tired glade]

Mega super,now fully red

Until you get targeted

I am about change to be compromised, VPN lower than chance significantly

[normal cargo]

What / why are you worried about cyber attacks ?

[tired glade]

He is on public WiFi

[normal cargo]

Ahhh, yea

[tired glade]

You safe

You don't need to everytime,but if you going to public WiFi often,do it once a month

Good enough

Once a month

[fossil dirge]

There’s no reason to own a gaming laptop right?

[tired glade]

If you travel a lot, there is

[fossil dirge]

Oh I see

[heady flicker]

Laptop performance are improving fast

[tired glade]

It still on battery, don't forget

[heady flicker]

Gaming laptops are more capable now, but it's still in a transitioning phase ish

If only Lovelace was cheaper

4070 should be $400-450

and 4080 hover at around $600-700

[tired glade]

If you don't move your pc daily,stationary pc for same price is better

[fossil dirge]

I heard gaming laptops are getting better

I mean I have a custom built PC so I play games on it

[tired glade]

They do, especially in igpu sector

[cosmic ore]

Gaming laptops have been solid gaming devices for years now tbh

It's just the battery that's always been the main issue

[heady flicker]

yeah that's the main part

[tired glade]

There is a hard cap on battery

[heady flicker]

It's starting to get to a point where power consumption is decreasing by a large margin every generation

[cosmic ore]

Hell last year I played a few games of DotA on my 2012 gaming laptop, with a 765M in it

apart from the min graphics it ran perfectly fine

[heady flicker]

Which is great for mobile

[void scroll]

It would be really cool for someone to make a really beefy arm apu specifically for gaming

Then put it in a handheld

[heady flicker]

That's already a thing

[void scroll]

WHERE???

[cosmic ore]

The Mac M2 is actually shockingly good at gaming for the few games that support it

[void scroll]

Yeah i mean something like that but more portable and less apple

[cosmic ore]

Also the NVIDIA Tegra processor is what powers the Switch, and will likely have an upgraded version for the ill-fated Switch Pro

[heady flicker]

There's Razer Edge with Qualcomm G3X Gen 1 arm cpu

[void scroll]

Yeah I meant something like that but for pc games

[heady flicker]

Which is just a Snapdragon Gen 8+ 1 with a more powerful GPU

[cosmic ore]

Samsung is also working with AMD to integrate RDNA GPUs into their CPUs

[void scroll]

Oh rlly?

[heady flicker]

Yeah

[cosmic ore]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/More-Exynos-SoCs-with-AMD-RDNA-GPUs-possibly-in-the-works-as-Samsung-confirms-continued-collaboration-with-AMD.643026.0.html

[craggy moon]

I’m trying to pick my first pc/laptop in a while. I Had the steam deck for a minute but didn’t like the desktop side.

[cosmic ore]

for laptops on a budget I normally suggest getting something used

used business laptops are good value and longevity, and tend to have nicer specs and repairability

[random jolt]

old dell laptop workstations and thinkpads both lasts quite long

[night heron]

old thinkpads are the single most overrated laptop in existence because of the linux community

they were cool.. in like 2017 at the latest

[cosmic ore]

I personally use an old HP Elitebook

Funnily enough I have liked my work HP Elitebook more than my work Thinkpad (both 2022 models)

[craggy moon]

If I could dual boot on my Mac mini I’d consider that

[random jolt]

had a dell 7720 which is like 6yrs old and it’s basically like new, built like a tank too, could actually knock someone out with it lmao

meanwhile the gs65 I had at around the same time broke in like 15-16months

[cosmic ore]

My mom called me from walmart once and was looking for a laptop there with a $200 budget. Absolute utter shit in that price range

[random jolt]

actually what’s ur budget, do u want that 7720?

[cosmic ore]

I told her to just leave and I went to ebay and got her a Dell Latitude iirc with a 4 core 6th gen intel processor, touchscreen, 1080p screen, and 16GB of RAM for $180

[craggy moon]

Ebay might be the way I go in the end, slim used market in my area. 5-600$ budget doesn’t lead to many listings with a dedicated Gpu

[normal cargo]

I'm still running a Vaio from 2011 xD

[wispy marsh]

It is fucking scary, how this feels like an Apple product announcement. https://youtu.be/hGb9UZ8DyDc

[cosmic ore]

if you need a dGPU it's def gonna be harder to find one

[cosmic ore]

Apple nailed down technical announcements to a tee and now everyone is playing catch up

https://youtu.be/Bf-dbS9CcRU MS has a much longer and detailed presentation here

[wispy marsh]

I saw that one. Gonna watch that when I'm half-awake in the cab tomorrow

[full fossil]

Maybe they asked AI to make the presentations with Apple's spirit

[wispy marsh]

You don't say

[flint wing]

Strawberry Underwears would rock

[full fossil]

Honestly i want those glassy windows more then i want copilot

Glassy windows UI 😍

[paper vapor]

Is copilot any good I’ve heard it was trash before chat gpt but I haven’t seen other than fuzz lately (to be fair I haven’t read anything other than headlines)

[sonic barn]

Really good

[full fossil]

I have no idea man sorry. In theory (what Microsoft is claiming) it looks super cool

We need to see how it will be in practice

[paper vapor]

Np I’m in the same state I’m not big on the coding scene but I like to keep up to date so I only know about Microsoft claims

[paper vapor]

Any important points to know ? Like tldr ?

[sonic barn]

It can complete anything in small portions very well. It's mostly a time saver

However the bing thing is better at giving output

[full fossil]

Can summerize teams meeting etc. Summarize and find trends in excel number documents etc etc

[paper vapor]

That part sounds interesting

[full fossil]

Video ~2 minutes here, they show it in action it looks cool

[paper vapor]

I’ll check it out thanks

[full fossil]

Np😄

[fossil dirge]

Well I don't travel that much

But I am planning on going to Orlando in the summer

So I don't think I need a gaming laptop

[paper vapor]

• Florida man sells computer to discord user *

[fossil dirge]

LOL 😆

[random jolt]

the oldest one still in use for me is a 2012 macbook pro lol, that thing literally can’t die at this point, just a battery swap every 5yrs or so

[fossil dirge]

Originally I was going to go for the Razer Blade but now I'm thinking that I rather get a MacBook Pro because I don't game that much on the go

Plus Apple makes more reliable products than Razer

[sonic barn]

razerblade convo again...

[fossil dirge]

Hey I was just saying

Now I'm considering on getting a MacBook Pro

[sonic barn]

build a desktop get any other laptop

[fossil dirge]

I have a custom built PC

[sonic barn]

why do you want one

then just remote into it

[fossil dirge]

I'll get a MacBook Pro

[fossil dirge]

Because Macs are really capable for programming

[random jolt]

those ancient MBPs are indestructible

[sonic barn]

your phone is as well

[fossil dirge]

Also video production

[sonic barn]

your phone is as well

[misty tartan]

I'm tranna use discord on my laptop but my school wifi doesn't allow it

Any recommendations on how I can pass that maybe like free VPN app recommendation?

[fossil dirge]

🤦‍♂️

Phones are not meant for programming

[fallen basalt]

@fossil dirge I have a Mac and a Gaming Laptop, the G14 from Asus.
I personally don't game much either. Ideally for my setup, with also video production and such, my mac is great for that. I wish I had gotten a desktop for a gaming PC though.

[fossil dirge]

Only if you write iOS apps on a Mac

[misty tartan]

You could connect a keyboard and use it to develop a really basic website

Ayed i need a free vpn app rec for kde neon

[sonic barn]

riseup is good

[random jolt]

free vpns sorta use u as the product tho

[fossil dirge]

Yeah Macs are great computers I already have a custom built desktop PC so I don't need to game on a laptop

[sonic barn]

just pay them in donations, its the only one that's actually good

[gentle slate]

Yall, I will be ugprading mobo and cpu

do I match my GPU or do I go highest tier? I have an RX 580 8GB. Can be upgraded as well later down the line.

[fallen basalt]

Then I'd get a Mac for your other needs if you're looking for a laptop, especially with what you're wanting to do. Worse case, setup a remote connection to remote into your desktop to play games.

[fossil dirge]

Yup it's better since I can do programming and productivity on the Mac and I can setup Steam Link to play games from my desktop

[gentle slate]

just get a normal laptop and put linux on it

[fossil dirge]

Linux is great

[gentle slate]

LINUX ON TOP

[fossil dirge]

But I'm on the Apple ecosystem which I own an iPhone and iPad

[gentle slate]

sell them

[oak cloak]

need to install arch on my surface pro 2 agein but forgot how i got it connected to wifi to start with lol

[cosmic ore]

#justarchthings

[fallen basalt]

Sometimes it gets to a time where you are to far invested

I would love to switch to android, but then everything else of mine just wouldn't work the same. My watch would be useless, and things like messages and calls from other devices would seize to exist.

[oak cloak]

you could maybe find a 3rd party app for iwatch support

or could just ditch the watch all together and just have the phone

[fallen basalt]

Emulate the apple watch app

[analog quest]

any suggestions for headphones around 50€ and available in Austria? they should have a microphone built in

[lucid echo]

I do that and barely use my phone for it lol, Xcode has simulators for all iOS devices

[full fossil]

one question they don't vc?

[fossil dirge]

Yeah Macs are great for writing iOS apps

[lucid echo]

@fossil dirge If you're in the market for a laptop and are a software developer, getting a macbook is a no brainer. The newer ones are the best-performing Arm devices on the market, and the native Unix environment means you get all the programming benefits of linux without all the tinkering and compatibility issues.

[fossil dirge]

I agree

[lucid echo]

I mean... you HAVE to write them on a mac. Given the choice I still would, but it's not like Apple gives you the option

[fossil dirge]

Getting a MacBook is great for my needs

[gentle slate]

Verdict on the Ryzen 9 7950x?

[lucid echo]

It's a CPU

[fossil dirge]

Yeah you need to have a Mac if you want to write iOS apps

[sonic barn]

if you really want to use xcode over visual studio sure, but xcode lacks a lot of features

[brave lodge]

Guys

Am I allowed to bring my Herman miller aeron to college

[sonic barn]

yes

bring it to me

[brave lodge]

Lol

[cosmic ore]

VS on a mac lacks basically every feature lol

[sonic barn]

thats why you got xcode

the ui looks like its from 2012

[cosmic ore]

worrying about UI in a development/engineering application is such a zoomer thing to do

I've had to work with engineering software made before I was even born lol

[gilded forge]

tp be fair, most of Apple's apps on Windows looks like 2005 UI..so- ig its fair

[cosmic ore]

industry just moves slow as balls

[sonic barn]

but how else am I going to use 5gb for my grass touching plugin

my ram hungers for a feaaast

[peak phoenix]

The apps on Windows are pretty much unmaintained

iTunes on MacOS is gone. It's been replaced.

[sonic barn]

you got a ton of frameworks

apple was using legacy stuff for those

never bothered to update them

[gentle slate]

Hmm. Do I even go for a Ryzen 9? primary requirement is games.

[misty tartan]

How can I make my browser
Any at this point but specifically opera
Background transparent?

[dusty rune]

6 is fine

[wind pulsar]

Depends what series we're talking, especially on 7000 series you will get most of your gaming performance out of a 7600X or 7700X

[gilded forge]

i think there's some sort of program that allows you to make your windows transparent

[misty tartan]

Any idea on what's the program name?

[cosmic ore]

what game requires a "ryzen 9"?
(also, R3/5/7/9 are just marketing labels, what actual model to they recommend?)

[wind pulsar]

It's irrelevant if it's just a marketing label, it give you a rough estimate of the performance class. It's not entirely useless

[gilded forge]

i think it's this: https://github.com/WindowTop/WindowTop-App/releases

[cosmic ore]

Unfortunately something like "R5" is gonna be a lot different if you're talking about Zen 1 vs Zen 3

[misty tartan]

It will work for Linux kde neon right?

[cosmic ore]

Like a R5 1600 is gonna perform very poorly if a game recommends you use a R5 5600

You can only really compare within a single generation, and even then mobile vs desktop is also a big difference

[wind pulsar]

Hence the reason why I said 'depends what series' and going with a wide range like that is also dumb, most people will assume either 5000 or 7000 series and will note if they have to save money and want to go cheaper

[gilded forge]

not sure honestly

[tidal helm]

Would it be safe to undervolt a laptop GPU using MSI Afterburner? Just trying to get lower temps

[dusty rune]

1600 is gonna perform very poorly all around

[peak phoenix]

The link leads to something that is windows only it seems.

[gentle slate]

idk. Im buying in general

My i5 4670 has overstayed its welcome in my system. It needs to get evicted.

[cosmic ore]

Ryzen 5000 or 7000 are both still good buys depending on your budget, as well as the latest gen Intel

for just straight gaming the mid-tier will have your best value

[peak phoenix]

Do you have a use for extra cores is the question

[gentle slate]

idk. Ive had a lack of cores with just 4c/4t

[molten drift]

I mean my 12th gen Intel o got in the last 3 months is going fantasticly I use the 10 core one myself.

[gentle slate]

dont know what the future will hold. Maybe Ill need 32 cores.

[peak phoenix]

I skipped both x3d and intel's heterogeneous because I don't want to deal with it in Linux.

[molten drift]

Theirs a lot in-between 4/4 and 32....

[peak phoenix]

Enjoy threadripper

[gentle slate]

dont games utilize 16 nowadays?

[molten drift]

Not often lol

[gentle slate]

huh. Whats holding em up

[molten drift]

Your lucky of a game used 6-8 let alone 16 lol

[peak phoenix]

Well, two things:

1. no most games are poorly multithreaded
2. There's a difference between threads and corees. Most cores now are dual issue meaning two threads per core.

[molten drift]

What's holding them up... The fact that 16 core CPUs are not commonly in personal PCs.

[gentle slate]

its not common? Are we still stuck in the 2000s?

[peak phoenix]

So really games will maybe saturate 3 cores

[molten drift]

6-8 tops...

[gentle slate]

but yeah idk. A guarantee is games. I'll probably need extra cores in the future, esp if I keep the CPU for as long as I kept my i5.

[molten drift]

So go from your 4c4t to like a 12600 10 core...

[gentle slate]

no intel

[molten drift]

You literally have an i5... That's Intel.

[gentle slate]

intel sham. root of all evil. impersonation of lucifer. never blue

[peak phoenix]

ok...

[molten drift]

Stop fan personing. Then go for a 5600-5800

And you have blue in your name by the way.

[gentle slate]

its actually red

[molten drift]

Your name clearly says classical blue tooth.

[peak phoenix]

The current Intel stuff is fine. If anything, they forced AMD to price their 7000 in a more sane way

[wind pulsar]

7600X MSRP: $300

[peak phoenix]

and don't hate Intel TOO much, we kinda need Arc to succeed so it's not just Nvidia vs AMD always.

[wind pulsar]

I see no reason to hate on either on them in the first place

[peak phoenix]

The 7900 and 7950 both dropped in price. Original reviews of the 13900/13700 call out that AMD is a poor value.

[wind pulsar]

GPUs are debatable, but CPUs barely have anything to cry about

[echo canopy]

Dual issue means it can execute multiple instructs per clock right? Not necessarily multiple threads

[tepid ether]

so why havent they made a live laugh liao tshirt yet

[peak phoenix]

Ostensibly it's two instructions can be handled. But we more or less just see it as two threads per core.

[gentle slate]

Huh. Ryzen 7 5800x3d and ryzen 9 5900x are essentially the same price here

25 EUR diff.

[wispy marsh]

2077 will rip through your cpu

[peak phoenix]

Well the 5800x3d has the larger cache

If gaming is the primary concern, get the 5800x3d.

If you plan to do other heavy workloads beyond gaming, 5900x or something 7000 series.

IIRC you're in Linux so I don't know if we know how well the asymmetric layout of the 7900x3d/7950x3d works with the scheduler.

[wispy marsh]

Coming from my current 5600X2D, I'm getting the 5800X3D!

[gentle slate]

I can return to windows if needed

[peak phoenix]

In Windows, you need the xbox game bar thing to be running while gaming. IIRC it disables a CCX on the 7900x3d and 7950x3d

[gentle slate]

bleh

[quaint cliff]

anyone got any suggestions for games for a intel hd 3000 with i5 6200u? (2.3GHZ)
gotta use what u got don bully me

[gaunt cave]

ugh...i tried to get google bard to write me a story outline for jebediah the unquiet: the lovecraftian old one
it...did not understand lovecraft
wait a second, i think i found a flaw in large language model AI...can they not understand complex metaphysical ideas that are primarily rooted in negation/unknowability

[earnest hazel]

My home is an apartment. At 3 am, I switch off the electricity in the entire building while people are partying. XDDDDD

[crimson glade]

Nah, Google Bard just sucks. Chat GPT will write you a story no problem.

[gaunt cave]

really? AND correctly understanding the whole "unkowable horror" thing?

thats sad tbh, i thought google was supposed to be top dog for data and AI and shit. really dropped the ball on that one

[crimson glade]

Yeah, absolutely.

Google hasn't released a decent new product in a while, they got too comfortable on all that search dominance and ad revenue.

[plush rivet]

Pixels aren’t bad

[eager venture]

I wonder if I could get bing’s ai,chat gpt,and googles ai to have a conversation with each other

[cosmic bear]

that would be quite fun

[gentle slate]

Linux 5.16 added support for intels asymmetric layouts. So I guess itll be fine for AMD too.

[peak phoenix]

So, support is SORTA there

Thread director isn't there yet IIRC. It didn't make it into 6.2.

[earnest hazel]

wish cantry a you from? @peak phoenix

[peak phoenix]

What?

[gentle slate]

are brand new mobos compatible with the new ryzens?

or will I need to flash them?

[peak phoenix]

AM4 mobos should handle everything. AM5 only has one generation

[gentle slate]

Neat

[peak phoenix]

but if you're concerned, get one that can flash without booting into UEFI

[earnest hazel]

Which cantry are you from

amerika?

[gentle slate]

Hmm. MSI B550 seems to be capable. That is my choiec

[peak phoenix]

Country.
Yes, from the US.

[earnest hazel]

Thanks

I'm going to be interested in this more.

[livid blade]

Hi

[earnest hazel]

@livid blade Hiii, How are you??

[brazen relic]

Wassup fellas
Any relevant news ?

[earnest hazel]

@brazen relic New is xbb1.6 variant is emerging.

Of Sars-Cov-2

[molten drift]

No real news so far just a rainy Tuesday so far

[misty eagle]

Chanding channels

[molten drift]

At that point you may as well get a USB stick...

[misty eagle]

Why?

I'm not going to boot from a USB stick.

[gentle slate]

Hmm. I feel kinda bad neglecting my monitor.

tfw you boutta get a 5800x3d with a 6800xt but youre on a 1080p60hz monitor

[peak phoenix]

There are limits to what you need to game at 1080p honestly.

Testing is done at 1080p when looking at CPUs so you're not GPU bound.

[gentle slate]

maybe I can fit in a 1440p monitor

[stoic beacon]

Makes a big difference

[gilded forge]

Why are some channels like Shortcircuit and Mac Address in 16:9, but some others like LTT and TechLinked aren’t?

[wary acorn]

I can only guess different cameras, different editors and different channels therefore writers and such

[tardy terrace]

With James' love for his ultrawide I bet it's him

[full fossil]

is there any way to watercool a gpu without that ugly waterblock

[lucid echo]

It's called disruptive innovation. OpenAI is a smaller, more nimble, hyperfocused company. This allows them to build a better product a lot faster than a behemoth like Google, who gets weighed down by enterprise bureaucracy. Also, Bard was rushed out the door early.
If you DM me your prompt, I can put it into GPT4 and see what happens

[lucid echo]

You need a waterblock of some kind to watercool a GPU. You can also use an AIO but that's gonna be even uglier

[full fossil]

nothing is uglier than those transparent waterblocks

[full fossil]

then buy one that is NOT transparent?

[lucid echo]

https://giphy.com/gifs/molly-welker-F3G8ymQkOkbII

[tardy terrace]

acetal & copper ftw

[full fossil]

what

[lucid echo]

What GPU are you trying to watercool, daemie?

[full fossil]

Many are transparent

But there are MANY options without anything transparent / rgb

[full fossil]

4090

and 1080ti

[lucid echo]

https://www.performance-pcs.com/water-cooling/water-blocks/water-blocks-vga/ek-quantum-vector-master-rtx-4090-d-rgb-nickel-acetal.html

[full fossil]

or in shiny
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-pro-gpu-wb-amp-trinity-rtx-4090-rack-nickel-inox

[lucid echo]

They're called Acetal blocks, or Nickel blocks for the shiny

[full fossil]

aw dude this is awesome man

[lucid echo]

I will tell you, as the resident watercooling expert - Do not do this. Spend your money elsewhere. It is a massive time sink, and has close to zero benefits when you factor in the time, cost & effort

[tardy terrace]

just peg your gpu fans at 85% and call it a day tbh

[full fossil]

so do i have to resort to air cooling?

[lucid echo]

Resort? Air cooling is great

[tardy terrace]

Less things to go wrong, too

[lucid echo]

A nice beefy air cooler will perform about the same

Are you planning out a build from scratch right now?

[full fossil]

you know if im being completely honest im just doing watercooling cuz it looks cool

[tardy terrace]

Are you willing to keep up with the maintenance that comes with a custom loop?

[lucid echo]

Looking cool is the sole reason. But be prepared to spend close to an extra $1k on hidden costs, and WAY more time building it. Like, several days VS a few hours

[full fossil]

1k on what hidden cost?

[tardy terrace]

Tubing, fittings, radiators, blocks..

[lucid echo]

It's not just the GPU block, you got tubing, fittings, pumps, radiators, fluids, cleaning supplies, tools

Something might fry when shit leaks so reserve some backup budget in case you need to replace something

Cases that support ample watercooling are often more expensive as well

[full fossil]

look dude i got like 10000$ at stake here, do i have to do aircooling or watercooling

[lucid echo]

What are you building a $10k PC for?

[full fossil]

thats not the point

[tardy terrace]

spend $3k and put the rest in savings??

[lucid echo]

Like what's the purpose of the PC

[full fossil]

i already got enough in savings and investments and stuff

[lucid echo]

What are you going to use the computer for?

That's kinda important in deciding whether to watercool or not

[full fossil]

something thats gonna last me years

[lucid echo]

That doesn't even remotetly answer my question

[tardy terrace]

You don't need to spend ten grand on something that'll last you years.

[lucid echo]

You'd be better off buying a $3k PC now and a $3k PC a few years from now, rinse and repeat.
You'll have better performance and longevity

[hollow pulsar]

I'm on year 5.x on my $2k build. Air cooled too. Games, Blender/Lightwave, remote desktop, VirtualMachine's just fine.

[lucid echo]

What are you actually going to do on the PC?

[wary acorn]

It won't. It's gonna be outdated in 2 years, too slow in 5, unusable in 10

[tardy terrace]

air-cooled 2080ti & 10850k, works wonders

[wary acorn]

It's much smarter and better to just use 3k every 2-3 years to upgrade what needs an upgrade and build new what needs it

[tardy terrace]

Spend a bit of that money on a nice display, or some peripherals, fuck, use it to fuel some of your other hobbies

[hollow pulsar]

With technology progression, you'd probably be better off spending $1k every year on computer upgrades for the next 10 years than $10k on a computer right now.

[strange condor]

Woe

RTX 6090 starting price 8K

[wary acorn]

I also advise against spending 10k at once on something you dont need, unless you can reliably source that money again consistently within a couple of weeks.

[strange condor]

With 10K you could go on holiday

[lucid echo]

I'm gonna take a wild guess they're a teenager with rich parent money

[wary acorn]

Lack of awareness of consequences would make them fit in that profile

[stoic beacon]

That's kind of unfair, you just described 95% of the population on the server...not really guessing if you know the answer

[hollow pulsar]

Not having a huge amount of experience in the tech space also fits that profile, but isn't age-dependent. But that's what we're here for - to help guide great decisions.

[lucid echo]

damie right now

[full fossil]

dude i got like a shit ton of money from dropshipping and my parents barely spend jack on me

[leaden shuttle]

And sell your GPU every year. It's a GREAT way to reduce the cost of the next generation. But be warned, skipping a year breaks the pattern.

[full fossil]

if you're broke i can send you some money

[stoic beacon]

What server are your peepo memes from? I'm considering nitro just for the purpose of them in this server, they are fantastic

[hollow pulsar]

Not a bad idea if you're after the latest and greatest.

[leaden shuttle]

But other than the 20 series, I've sold my previous gpu just for the next generation each year, and it's a WAY cheaper way to keep up with generations.

[leaden shuttle]

Yeah. As a 2k, 120hz gamer, I've been chasing that sweet sweet 80-100fps average for YEARS and finally found it. Lol.

[lucid echo]

Buy a $3k system. Invest the rest. Make upgrades to it over the years with that investment money. It'll be 1000% better than any 10k system you buy today

[sonic barn]

He's joking

He actually has 2$ to his name

[full fossil]

just send me your cashapp or venmo ill send you probably like 2k if you really need the money

[leaden shuttle]

And if someone is dropping $10k on a setup, they're probably also doing the same.

[full fossil]

optimistic

[tardy terrace]

"send probably $2k"

[leaden shuttle]

$10k is just entirely too much unless it's also a workstation.

[sonic barn]

Zimbabwe dollars

[wary acorn]

I mean the dropshipping part immediatly makes me think they have "entrepreneur" in their insta bio

[lucid echo]

Thanks for the heads up, never thought I'd be thanking Iheuzio but here we are

[leaden shuttle]

And you need a ludicrous amount of ram.

[stoic beacon]

Now we know you're trolling, Sanic, telling people to invest here is like yelling into the wind

No time for retirement, we have PC parts to buy

[lucid echo]

Don't feed the troll

[wary acorn]

why? its fun

[stoic beacon]

Because we could be having better conversations

[sonic barn]

Intel retirement plans are just a new CPU for free each gen

[lucid echo]

Believe it or not, I DM'd someone here who unironically had several thousand to spend on a PC they didn't need
I convinced them to have their parents setup an investment account with that money

[sonic barn]

The mafia watches LTT

[stoic beacon]

It wasn't the dude with the 15k build, was it? I was trying the other day, but a surprising amount of people spoke up to comment on how investing for retirement was a stupid idea when you're young

[full fossil]

is a 1080ti, ryzen 5800 with airflow better?

[tardy terrace]

4090 to 1080ti

[stoic beacon]

I mean......yes, the 1080ti is somehow still a pretty great card for a lot of things

[sonic barn]

You can buy a RTX A card instead and 512gb ram for reddit browsing

[full fossil]

i mean isnt that what you wanted?

[lucid echo]

Yep it was him. I appealed to his desire for fame and riches and said it could be used for a mercedes or fancy house to impress ladies. I didn't expect it to land, but he took it very seriously

[tardy terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-sunakook-tired-exhausted-gif-24687868

[lucid echo]

I didn't mention retirement, just that if I invested that money at his age I'd now have over $100k

[stoic beacon]

Huh, that's incredible, nice job

[lucid echo]

I try, I try

[full fossil]

dude i have never built a pc with my own hands, all prebuilts. some of my friends gave me 10k dollars worth of pc specs and i came here to ask

[lucid echo]

uh huh

[full fossil]

i didnt realise how much it escalated when i said 10k but thanks for saving me like 3k

[wooden skiff]

🧓

[stoic beacon]

Time is your greatest resource

Just put it into a calculator, assuming a low rate of return of 6%, the purchase of a 4090 for $1,600 at the age of 18 could be around $27,000 when you retire

In case you needed a pointless factoid for the day

[normal cargo]

Just don't get hit by a truck in the meantime

That bits important

[stoic beacon]

Or at least make sure you get hit by the truck 30 years in, so you have a bunch of money to cover medical care, etc.

[eternal hearth]

or you could buy the 4090 and have fun for at least a few years

[normal cargo]

That works too, so basically be careful until you're like, 40 or someshit

Idk tho, if you've got 1600 bucks and buying a GPU it's excess money init, most of us here have prolly spent more on our systems

[neon mesa]

well it appears super reaction is here now
is it disabled in LTT though

or is it only in some servers?

[fallow kiln]

Hi I update to windows 10 and my pc slow what can i do?

[vapid smelt]

Buy a new pc

[fallow kiln]

for your money tho

[gentle slate]

Well, I'll acquire a ryzen 7 5800x3d and a new set of 8GB sticks. After that I get an 6900xt and a 1440p 144hz monitor

[vapid smelt]

But why new dedicated wam

[tardy terrace]

go 32gb

[gentle slate]

coz rn I have ddr3 and that will not work with the 5800x3d

[vapid smelt]

Ah

[vapid smelt]

Very cute emote

[gentle slate]

I tried to squeeze out as much savings as possible, but my rig is outdated enough that pretty much everything needs replacing

[vapid smelt]

5800x3d is $316 right now too much imo the i5 13600kf is 296

[gentle slate]

Hmm

[sand pumice]

https://youtu.be/LkmIItTrQP4

[gentle slate]

I shall consider.

[full fossil]

If you where going to download the internet on to floppy disks you could only download the internet 4000 times before you ran out of space on earth

[tardy terrace]

you're also gonna need at least 100k drives because those things are gonna die on you so fast

[hollow pulsar]

Only once if you run in to an infinite payload

[tardy terrace]

those little threaded steppers are gonna shit themselves

[hollow pulsar]

Weird. So I absolutely did not quote you. I quoted the person before you and Discord... well... now I understand how folks misquote.

[tardy terrace]

I was gonna say lmao, mildly confused at the response

[earnest hazel]

Never worth buy latest card unless its not for playing video games

[stray apex]

4090 is actually worth it if you play demanding modern titles at 4k

I mean, if you can afford it

[strange elk]

Man I can't wait to have a new monitor.

[strange elk]

Value proposition is still awful in 99% of consumer cases

[inland oracle]

deditated wam

[stray apex]

Value is irrelevant for literally the fastest consumer GPU on the market

[inland oracle]

if you’re on the market for buying the fastest gpu available you’re probably not worrying about value

[spring drum]

You're probably buying from nvidia

[clever path]

This crap's scary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6AynjtnJG8
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/686

[spring drum]

Notice how it says nothing about internal data abuse

[lucid echo]

https://twitter.com/wario64/status/1640559657579335681

Wario64 (@Wario64)

As of January 1 2024, Steam will officially stop supporting the Windows 7, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 operating systems. After that date, the Steam Client will no longer run on those versions of Windows. https://t.co/NIUZ4UdJU4

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[spring drum]

Brug

No longer run?

[lucid echo]

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/restrict-act-tiktok-jail-time-vpn/

Misleading af video. It's like saying you'll get a year in jail + $1,000 fine for jaywalking because it's a misdemeanor

[glass lantern]

OOF

I'm running windows 10 but still.

[clever path]

it's mainly about people they deem a security threat, but just like they could accuse almost anyone to get them on no fly lists or whatever so can they for that

or pretend you are a security risks just so they can violate your privacy and punish you for your attempts at protecting it

that's the real scary part, I know not everyone is at that risk, but it's a slippery slope that's dangerous

[lucid echo]

Criticize it for what it actually says, not for the fearmongering and slippery slope fallacy. Because it's still a shit bill.

[uncut axle]

Ngl I haven’t updated my gpu drives in a while

[lucid echo]

No need. If it ain't broke

[uncut axle]

I’m doing that now tho (it’s probably better to do it)

[lucid echo]

Not always, many people don't upgrade drivers unless something goes wrong

[uncut axle]

For security and stuff mostly

And maybe slightly performance increases (maybe)

[lucid echo]

new GPU drivers have a history of being unstable, and there's not a lot of security risk to it

[uncut axle]

Ik there are some stuff with gpu drivers being too old and causing a security risk

[lucid echo]

go for it bud

[verbal briar]

i just installed wifi 6e on the farm

quite literally just for guests i use ethernet for everything

[shut violet]

The wireless fidelity

[verbal briar]

ive had 2.4 for the longest time.... i just went to 5 and it was terrible so now im at 6e

[shut violet]

My place is tiny with ethernet ran everywhere, but I have a fairly cheap single Zyxel WiFi 5 ap above the stairs and that is fine

[verbal briar]

the farm is near a Radar Station... sooooo

[shut violet]

That’ll do it hehe

[verbal briar]

i cant use wireless audio stuff

[full fossil]

I mean depending on needed range

[shut violet]

Erm

[tawny venture]

No video today? Is there any embargoed product being released today?

[vapid smelt]

They got rehacked

[full fossil]

Well I just hope someone with a higher knowledge than me can help me with my issue in #1027757333117415424

[full fossil]

Maybe this canadian fella idk im desperate for any help

[full fossil]

Lol i aint canadian but i can try to be your favorite canadian

Sadly i can not cuz i dont know shit about internet/wifi

[brave lodge]

insane how many blocked messages are in buildapc

[marsh mortar]

https://www.asus.com/us/networking-iot-servers/adapters/all-series/pce-ac88/

Is this wifi card good for long range ?

[plush rivet]

Define long range

[marsh mortar]

I mean my house has three floors and the router is in second floor will this card work or connect to router if pc is in first floor?

I mean there is long distance between pc and router

Thats why im asking about long range

[short grail]

yo does anyone want to play COD mw2 together?

[peak phoenix]

It depends more on the walls. Are they brick? Is there a ton of metallic conduit in them? How many walls?

Wood, drywall, wiring, flooring etc can (and will) attenuate signal more than direct line of sight at the same range.

[wary acorn]

If its paper (so a normal american house) it will be just fine

[winged yarrow]

the shade

[winged yarrow]

If my plans work out, I'll be building a concrete and steel palace like Jabba the Hutt

If my plans work out, I won't end up looking like Jabba the Hutt

[fluid ridge]

honestly they should not just stop at banning tiktok

they should nuke all of the social media platforms that collect an unholy amount of data, make a GDPR 2.0 on crack

they should either do it to nobody, or do it to everybody, i feel like tiktok is being scapegoated here

[fossil frost]

tiktok is chinese, and they want to take control away from china, hence they want them to go IPO, and away from "potential" chinese government control... so american agencies can swoop in and use tiktok to collect all that juicy data that they claim the chinese government are collecting

[stray apex]

Well yeah
Obviously you don't want a potentially hostile state to have direct control over a major information feed

[fluid ridge]

exactly the scapegoat, i by no means am a fan of the chinese government, tiktok, bytedance, yada yada but meta is arguably just as bad, google too

like god forbid, cambridge analytica of the east happens again, big deal 😭

misinformation flows need to be stopped from all platforms

[fossil frost]

and china are going to be saying the exact same thing... they wont want tiktok in the hands of the americans, and the americans dont want it in the hands of the chinese.. but, the americans are absolutely fine with having all the data collection done by american companies

[stray apex]

Wut
TikTok is banned in china

[hollow pulsar]

Politically, yes, Individually, it's a mixed-bag.

[stray apex]

Douyin has both content and usage restrictions

[fossil frost]

its owned by a chinese company, which is in turn, controlled by the chinese government

[stray apex]

Similarly, china famously bans access to the open internet

[stray apex]

TikTok does not exist in China

[fossil frost]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok

[stray apex]

It's not the same app

[fluid ridge]

his point is bytedance, a chinese company, still owns tiktok, despite it not existing in china/being the same app

the problem is not whether there is a form of tiktok in china or not, the problem is that the parent company bytedance is subject to chinese law

[dreamy rose]

"4090" "Worth it" dont belong in the same sentence

[stray apex]

Yes, obviously

[fluid ridge]

which as we all know is probably not the most reasonable government in terms of data protections and respecting privacy

[fossil frost]

probably on par with the american government... just done in a different way

[fluid ridge]

or rule of law period

[stray apex]

The US doesn't give a shit about that
The US doesn't want a potentially hostile power to have control over it

[fossil frost]

probably on par with the american government... just done in a different way

[fluid ridge]

[fossil frost]

yes, thats what im saying... the usa doesnt want china to have control over tiktok, which it currently does

[stray apex]

4090 is the best consumer GPU on the market
So if you don't care about the cost
Then it is absolutely worth it

[fluid ridge]

actually the 6090 will be much better than the 4090

[dreamy rose]

but 4X the price.

[fluid ridge]

the 90 series are not meant to be cheap

[stray apex]

Just as the crypto boom dies
The AI boom begins
Nvidia just making all the money

[fossil frost]

nvidias 90 cards are epeen cards for consumers, or, cheapo versions of their powerful cards for commercial entities

[fluid ridge]

there is no point complaining about the fact that a Buggati Chiron is 4 million dollars, the vast majority of people will not be able to buy one

they cater to different markets, something like a last gen (30 series) or a lower on the lineup 40 series is much more accessible in terms of price

[fluid ridge]

jensen's gamble however many decades ago paid off

[full fossil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1062854497329754253/1090380742460190800/IMG_0713.png

[fluid ridge]

they gone bro

[full fossil]

no embeds 💔
anyway i wanna ask whats a good router that has sim support?

[stray apex]

Nvidia is shockingly innovative for a monopoly

[fluid ridge]

nvidia is not a monopoly in the consumer GPU space

[stray apex]

Although I suppose they weren't a monopoly back then

[full fossil]

i miss some of em
they were nice and great

[stray apex]

Nvidia has like 90% market share for discrete GPUs or something

[dreamy rose]

tho AMD out here doing what they do but better

[lucid echo]

Consumer GPUs are spare change compared to their earnings from their real customer, the datacenter

[stray apex]

Lmao no

[full fossil]

hopefully china gets their gpu market in a better shape

Do you guys like cats?

[fluid ridge]

the ethics of monopolies can be debated however, imagine making a product so good that people only choose to use the product you made, creating a vacuum chamber where only your product is purchased because it was so good, rendering everyone else unable to compete and as a result will probably be punished by government action due to overwhelming levels of success

[full fossil]

yes
CATS>>>>>>>>>

[full fossil]

Monopoly? The game?

[fluid ridge]

yes

[dreamy rose]

Uh yes, FSR works everywhere

[stray apex]

AMD stans are so fucking cringe
The AI boom hits and AMD is nowhere to be found

"but my fsr" lmao nobody cares

AMD has to open source all their shit because if they don't nobody will implement it

[fluid ridge]

AMD GPUs are pretty dookey but they make epyc CPUs pun intended

[hollow pulsar]

I mean, Nvidia isn't doing too much better with their consumer AI stuff - The current trend is ChatGPT - which has HUGE model sets.

[full fossil]

i would rather side with amd than nvidia tbh
and i hated amd fans before but you have to accept the fact that they arent greedy as nvidia

[dreamy rose]

this is the kind of shit that needs to stay 5 years ago.

[stray apex]

Consumer AI is not really a thing
And what does exist mostly runs on Nvidia gpus

[full fossil]

My brother in christ, I have a PLAN, Arthur

[hollow pulsar]

Correct.

[dreamy rose]

they're only Slightly dookey if you wanna be an Nvidia fanboy. they are fine if you wanna be reasonable

[fluid ridge]

anyways did you guys know OpenAI started out as a non profit

[stray apex]

Also open source

[fluid ridge]

that shit sunk real fast when microsoft mailed them 10 billion dollars

[hollow pulsar]

I read an article saying OpenAI was now everything it stated it wouldn't be - closed, licensed, etc..

[hearty spear]

AMD GPUs are great. I just picked one over an NVidia card, and it's absolutely bitchin'

[stray apex]

I mean, everyone has a price
And 10 billion is
A pretty good one

[fluid ridge]

im pretty sure elon musk was the guy who named openAI openAI and was the first donation of 100 million dollars

[full fossil]

I HAVE A PLAN, ARTHUR

[fluid ridge]

true, i would probably nuke half the planet for 10 billion dollars if given the chance (as long as im on the other half)

[full fossil]

they are good but i think amd kinda priced em too high
they could be cheaper but they are greedy

[stray apex]

Nah, if you nuked half the planet 10 billion dollars would be pretty useless once civilization fell

[dreamy rose]

then you're an idiot.

[full fossil]

I would commit several warcrimes for that kind of money bro (aint a warcrime if no witnesses)

[dreamy rose]

yeah, but its much better than what Nvidia is doing

[fluid ridge]

that is true, i will recreate a more logical scenario

I would probably take 10 billion dollars over saving every endangered species on earth

[stray apex]

Yeah, AMD needs to compete in the critical 200-300 market like Intel is
Right now they're doing it by having a fire sale on last gen GPUs
But their MSRPs lately just haven't been competitive

[full fossil]

10 billion would be enough to start a huge company and being able to get investors and hiring execs from major commpanies

[stray apex]

10 billion cash is an insane amount of money

[fluid ridge]

1 billion is an insane amount of money let alone 10

[hollow pulsar]

If I had 10 billion, I'd start a very small company and lend money with minimum possible interest (above zero)

[full fossil]

Yeah but I have 10 billion power in rise of kingdoms

[fluid ridge]

if you had 10 billion in cash and deposited it in a DOGSHIT savings account with 1% annual interest (most, if not all are higher than this), you would still make 100 million dollars a year

[full fossil]

sadly yes
i hopre they price their prodcuts better
if they could atleast cut like 100 or 150 off their 7900 line up they could have so many buyers i dont know why they want to get 100 from each gpu instead of having more gpu sales

[stray apex]

Imagine some poor bank teller trying to figure out how to get 10 billion into a shitter savings account

[fluid ridge]

count the bills and punch in da numbers fr

[full fossil]

Would you slap this baby for 10 billion dollars?

[full fossil]

the more the money the more banks will try to have you some would give you 5% profit because banks know how to spend money well

[full fossil]

Me: turns into mike tyson

[fluid ridge]

where the baby at, bros bought to be hit with the most crisp slap ever executed by a human hand

[full fossil]

would slap it 3 times and give it a punch for an extra 5 mill

LITERALLY NO OTHER OPINION

LITERALLY THE SAME OPINION

[fluid ridge]

they're going to need to pay me to stop slapping that kid

[full fossil]

Guys

I'm not making a joke about what happened 200+ years ago

But, would you pick cotton for 200 bucks per hour?

[stray apex]

Obviously

[hollow pulsar]

Heck yea

[fluid ridge]

how is that even a question