public-chat

[pseudo girder]

ive never built part by part over time before, but it seems like the right way to go, finding good deals on the parts i want.

[final robin]

Trying to find episode from TJM where they talk about the show Willow. Anyone know the episode?

[pseudo girder]

i got 250 dollars off a practically brand new founders rtx 3070 ti.

aka, it was only 400.

thats usually in the "for parts only" section of ebay.

[summer nova]

6 ram slots?

[pseudo girder]

but lightly used, and it was.

[summer nova]

Odd number, no?

[pseudo girder]

6-8 ram slots are usually reserved for server boards with dual cpus.

as even with 3, theres the parity, the third doesnt matter as much, but if theres 2 paritys, it does make a difference, but you need to pay for that.

6 is 2 parity, 8 is 4.

[summer folio]

1337 EU!

[pseudo girder]

some mobos cross parity, so it could be 3 parity over 4.

but ram cross compatibility is very important

dont mix old sku's with new ones for newer hardware.

i have older hardware compared to my gpu now, its kinda not a great time, ironically worse in heavy games, where the frames jump way too fast now. im 100% cpu limited, but in the games that arent cpu heavy? almost getting the full kick from this thing, give an extra 30% and its normal.

but you gotta upgrade your cpu at some point.

if i had an ssd vs a wd black hdd..... and i had a new cpu? yep id be happy.

[fervent prairie]

Ddr5 has new ram kits that are 48, 96 and 192gb. Kinda weird, but it's a thing now with Mobo that support it that is.

[pseudo girder]

ddr5 sounds like a server solution now.... not a consumer one.

48 gbs per stick? jesus

i barely go over 12 on my machine, im upgrading to 32 when i go ddr4, but thats a shit ton.

[fervent prairie]

24 or 48 per stick

[pseudo girder]

absurd

unless its for server

[fervent prairie]

I mean, we already had 64gb sticks.

[pseudo girder]

yea, but you gotta realize, not having 8-16 options cuts out the general user, only includes server owners.

[fervent prairie]

DDDR5 has 8, 16, 24, 32, 48, 64 and so for capacity sticks

[pseudo girder]

nobody needs more than 32 gigs to game, 16 is usually ok.

[plush rivet]

At this point yes you actually do

Games are getting more and more demanding

[summer folio]

You could since before run with 8GB+4GB sticks in both channels = 24GB dual-channel total

[pseudo girder]

ive seen it kill vram, but ive never seen my ram cap bare gaming after a reboot.

[plush rivet]

you’d be suprised

[pseudo girder]

i have 16 now, NEVER seen it cap just gaming

my vram does, but thats a different issue.

[plush rivet]

The amount of errors DDR5 sends to the cpu would kill the work production lol

[summer folio]

or 16GB+8GB in both channels = 48GB RAM in dual-channel total

[plush rivet]

now I wonder would ECC ddr5 be faster or slower

[pseudo girder]

unbuffered server ram would need to be made

[fervent prairie]

32gb is what's recommended now with newer games, I mean I use about 20 on avg just gaming with discord, Firefox and a stream open.

[plush rivet]

the stupid amount of ECC control is going to be nuts

[pseudo girder]

yea, the irony that vram matters more, but we still have cards with 8gbs

[summer folio]

if the 1 billion dollar AMD AM5 mötherboards doesn't support that from the get go, I will be madly disappointed.

[pseudo girder]

but it rolls over, aka vram isnt holding it like ram, it kind of washes it out as new stuff comes in.

[fervent prairie]

That's just Nvidia creating a problem to sell you a solution sooner. The 3080 10gb gets clapped in Hogwarts legacy

[plush rivet]

I doubt it, they’re probably going to be new boards

[pseudo girder]

1 billion dollar mobo? thats downright stupid.

[summer folio]

And that's just for entry level AM5!

[pseudo girder]

has to be some kinda joke.

thats like saying 10 trillion dollar cpu.

[summer folio]

A motherboard should cost 50$ tops for entry level, 80$ for high-end chipset

[pseudo girder]

dumbest shit ive ever seen.......

wtf

not even an investment, what are mobo manufacturers mobsters now? XD

one thing if you cant develop, or dont have the time to develop am5.... another if you try to sell it for more than the crown jewel is worth.

what are they even looking for in a customer at a billion dollars ffs

few things in the world that are worth a billion...... and am5 aint it.

[timid ember]

Holy shit have you seen prices of used AM4 itx mobos?

They are sickening

[pseudo girder]

im going for an asrock steel legend x570

120 dollars, but dual m.2 etc

[timid ember]

Im moving to uni soon so i have to slim down my pc

Rn i have x570 carbon

[pseudo girder]

im sure youll find a place for a huge pc.....

dont bother

[timid ember]

I made a mistake of buying ROG Helios

its stupid huge

[pseudo girder]

theres always under the bed, next to the window.

a tiny room doesnt mean you need a tiny pc.

[timid ember]

I might just get h500 but kinda wanted to do an itx pc for a while

[pseudo girder]

plus, the lights if you use rgb are comforting.

[timid ember]

Minus is my cooler wont fit

[pseudo girder]

dont slim it down, smaller room? stuff it somewhere youll never need to go.

[mint yacht]

Just remember that X series chipsets are stupid

[pseudo girder]

computers are 1 fifth of our body size, so they are tiny in comparison

[timid ember]

POV you got the thickest aio on the market

[pseudo girder]

beefy boy case lol

[timid ember]

Alphacool eisbear extreme is great but holy fuck i cant fit it anywhere

as a matter of fact i wanted to buy NR200P to put it externally on the side and fit the tubes through the vertical gpu slots

[minor rivet]

guys i have two seperate code
The first one clears temp
The second one clears %temp%
How do I merge it into one bat file?

[outer quiver]

Anyone got good recommendations for laptops? (i know a ton changed with all the new cpu generations etc). Atm im looking at either an XPS 15 or a macbook pro 14 and was just wondering if there are any other ones that are similar in quality but maybe a bit cheaper since both of them are very cvlose to 3k when speced nicely.

[minor rivet]

The samsung book ultra is also a good choice imo

it has the 40series rtx

[minor rivet]

I feel like the macbook is more powerful but depends on what u get it for

if its for gaming

its a nono for mac

[night heron]

yeah it depends what your usecase is

[slate bear]

The biggest thing to consider is if you need windows software

[night heron]

im using a mbpro 16 rn

[outer quiver]

Oh interesting. yeah im a student but i often work with R (and databases that can be quiet large) for statistical analysis. besides that i need something solid with great bateery life

[slate bear]

Otherwise they’re pretty equal and it comes down to what OS you want or need

[outer quiver]

thats why i was looking at f.e. that macbook

[minor rivet]

I wud straight up go for mac

but if u relly like windows

xps is also good

[outer quiver]

oh nice and how is your experience? ive not used mac since around 2012

[night heron]

it runs everything that i want it to and ive never heard the fan come on, even with 100% gpu load

[outer quiver]

Is it really that shit for gaming?

[minor rivet]

ye

[night heron]

incompatibility causes it to be so yeah

[minor rivet]

unless u wanna play runescape u can pick up the mac

[outer quiver]

oh wow. yeah thats bscly what i want

[minor rivet]

Hope devs bring games to mac

[night heron]

with the 14" you will hear the fan and youll have noticeably less battery life

[minor rivet]

so i can finally switch

[outer quiver]

do you know if there is a massive difference between the different cpu/gpu versions of f.e. the 14'' ? because i want to get it with 32 gb of ram

but when i also spec a higher end cpu/gpu it goes up massively in price

[outer quiver]

really? that big of a difference between them two?

the 16 one is just so massive

[minor rivet]

ye bigger laptop bigger battery

[slate bear]

I really want an m2 Mac but I don’t think it can run all the software I need. Super disappointing. Probably end up picking up an xps 15

[night heron]

have you seen the 16 in person?

it's basically the same size as the old 15" macbook pro

[minor rivet]

without the bessels?:

[night heron]

it's not nearly as big as people make it out to be

[outer quiver]

hm okay ill visit an apple shop today to check that size

[sly sequoia]

ayo one of my friends brothers is selling a couple gpus (3060, 3060 ti, 3070) which one should i buy?

[outer quiver]

But the days of word powerpoint etc being an issue are no longer here right? with macs

[minor rivet]

3070 obv

i mean it depends on the price

[night heron]

you cant run bootcamp or x86 windows on the apple silicon macs

[minor rivet]

and ur budget

[slate bear]

That stuff is all the same

[sly sequoia]

price to preformane tho is the 3060 rly that much worse?

[slate bear]

You can run parallels tho which lets you run x86 windows software

[minor rivet]

aint as bad as 3050 but if its for cheap then go for 3060

[night heron]

parallels lets you run arm windows

[outer quiver]

oh wait. like at all?

[slate bear]

People run stuff like SolidWorks or NX with great performance on m1 thru parallels

[outer quiver]

used to be able to dual boot right?

[night heron]

and it costs like $90/month if you want to have not shit hardware dedication

[slate bear]

You can emulate x86 software. Also per year not month where did you get that lol

[night heron]

at all

[minor rivet]

guys i have a doubt

[sly sequoia]

i already have a pc i just need a better gpu for cad the 580 is tired

[slate bear]

You can

[minor rivet]

does mac support pirated softwares?

[night heron]

being pirated doesnt change the software itself

if it's pirated software that runs on macos then sure

[minor rivet]

I wud suggest 3070 but

agn if the 3060 is cheaper

then go for it

[sly sequoia]

epic

[minor rivet]

all these are great improvement from the RX580

[slate bear]

Proof that you can run x86 software on parallels with arm macs https://youtu.be/OsZZW_CminM

[night heron]

is it?

[minor rivet]

Its just general knowledge

[night heron]

$90/year just to dedicate more cores in a vm is still ridiculous

[sly sequoia]

4 gb rx 580

[slate bear]

Not really if you need to run windows software

[night heron]

yes you can run x86 software but the performance is gonna be terrible

[slate bear]

Nope watch that video

[minor rivet]

wait so what i asked is against the rules?

[slate bear]

He ran SolidWorks with good performance on an m1 despite double emulation

[night heron]

i daily drive a m1 pro and im not gonna say that double emulating and losing like 50% cpu performance is "good"

[sly sequoia]

just use bootcamp and have a windows partition to run solidworks

[outer quiver]

@night heron do you also know if the 16' is similar in size with the xps 15?

[slate bear]

You can’t do that any more

I just did a ton of research on this trying to see if I could buy a Mac for school. The people who i found that set this up said it runs really well

[sly sequoia]

i hate how they keep changing that

[slate bear]

Just search “running x86 software on m1 Mac”

[night heron]

the 16 mbpro is a little bigger but not by a lot

[slate bear]

They only changed it because they stopped using processors natively compatible with windows

[sly sequoia]

still cringe tho

[outer quiver]

would you personally recommend the mac or the xps if i intend to keep that laptop for the next 5-7 years

[night heron]

i dont know because i dont know if your software runs on the mac

if it does then id pick the macbook every time

if it's flakey then i wouldnt get one

[slate bear]

Definitely, you can make it work but the xps is better if you absolutely need windows software

[night heron]

but like someone else earlier mentioned i would take the galaxy book3 ultra over the xps 15

[outer quiver]

yeah im looking at that rn. is there a reason why? because everyone i ask said that the xps 15 is one of the best windows laptops out atm

[night heron]

yeah the reason being that the galaxy book has a significantly better display

from what im seeing the current xps 15 only offers a 1080p60hz ips panel or near-4k oled 60hz panel, neither of which are optimal

i dont know what power budget for the components the xps 15 has but for base specs the galaxy book and the xps 15 are the same

[outer quiver]

yeah i think i was looking at the near 4k one since thats the only touchscreen version

from what i see the samsung one is around 3.6k

[night heron]

oh if you want a touchscreen the galaxy book3 ultra is off the table

they only offer touch on their lesser i7 1360p thin and light version with no dedicated gpu

[outer quiver]

yeah i also dont know how much that touchscreen display will affect the battery life of the xps. im looking at the macs exactly because of that. i heard fro a friend that the 14 has amazing battery life

[slate bear]

The galaxy book is nice

[night heron]

the 14" mbpro still has better battery life than competing windows laptops but it's noticeably behind the 16 in battery and fan noise

for example on the last generation m1 max version if you specced both up and ran a stress test the 14" would be running its fans at 5000rpm while the 16" is inaudible at 1500rpm

if you were looking at getting the pro silicon instead of the max then fan noise wouldnt really be a concern

that's also only during 100% load situations, in most usecases the 14" will also be silent

[unkempt widget]

you could play tomb raider ig

and get like 30fps on medium

beter than the dell 14 xps

[night heron]

110fps with 1080p high settings in tomb raider

itll also max out world of warcraft at native resolution

(the max silicon)

[tired glade]

Wow in the open world or in raid?

[night heron]

open world

[tired glade]

That's not that hard

[night heron]

near 4k at max settings holding 120fps constant with like 30w of gpu is pretty impressive

[tired glade]

Kinda

[outer quiver]

But could you run older games on those macs. i specifically love Heroes 3 and AoE2. And then usually some Civ 6 or anno 1800

[night heron]

i know civ 6 runs because it's in the app store, but if you do a decent amount of gaming you shouldnt look at a macbook IMO

they excel in general use, coding, and video/photo editing

[outer quiver]

I see. I just feel like i cant find a good windows laptop that combines being good for: gaming + great battery life + awesome buildquality + not a behemoth in size + great keyboard

[slate bear]

Dell XPS is pretty close

[night heron]

good for gaming, good battery life, and small size cant really coexist unless youre playing older or lesser demanding games

because getting good gaming performance in modern demanding games requires a lot of wattage

you said you play mainly old games though, a xps would probably work

[slate bear]

Yeah gaming is a weak point of the xps

[tired glade]

Or AAA games because so bad that no one wants them

[outer quiver]

yeah sorry i was unclear when i meant size. as in preferably around 14-15 inches but not those gaming laptops that weigh around 8kg and are as thick as homers odyssey

[dusty rune]

xps 15, no?

[unkempt widget]

civ6 runs quite well on a mac actually

[night heron]

that’s coo

[unkempt widget]

it literally runs on an iphone

[night heron]

i believe it

iphone processors are powerful

[dull osprey]

Hi, I have a language question, is there a chat for that?

[little dirge]

Can i test a used cpu only using mobo and power supply. Just wanted to see if cpu works it had a bent pin i fixed it.

[full fossil]

wtf happened with Olympics and esports? OwO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPK9cG22NNM

[graceful burrow]

If you also have ram and the cpu has an igpu ye

[little dirge]

I knew a method where they short some pins using screwdriver and if there is sound the cpu works

[graceful burrow]

That might have been a thing with older computers but it ain't anymore

Gotta post to know it works

[little dirge]

But if i hear a sound does it works ?

[little dirge]

Oh ok

[mint yacht]

Motherboards nowadays don't tend to have POST speakers built in, so you wouldn't hear any sounds

Get some rando GPU if you can if your CPU doesn't have built in graphics

And also, a bent pin does not kill a CPU, neither does a missing pin*
*Depends on the pin missing ofc

[graceful burrow]

Not all pins/pads are used on cpus

So you could snap a pin clean off and itd possibly still work

You'd have to be pretty damn lucky lol

[pliant karma]

that's nice to hear. Lol at least battery life is better then the 4 hours on my current laptop.

though I stopped caring about the battery life cause there is an outlet near me in classes so I plug in there. Though the trackpad is still having problems

[tardy bramble]

Is gtx 460 any good?

[graceful burrow]

Depends on your definition of good

And what you're using it for

[spring socket]

Definitely not anymore

[night heron]

if it does what you want it to then it’s good

[tardy bramble]

Is beter than gt 730?

[spring socket]

What are you wanting to do?

[tardy bramble]

I want to play games

[graceful burrow]

What games at what resolution

[tardy bramble]

Lelts say sons of forest and lowest settings at 800x600

[graceful burrow]

No.

[tardy bramble]

What no

[graceful burrow]

Won't run

[tardy bramble]

Damn then its worse than 730?

[graceful burrow]

In this scenario both are no Bueno kek

[tardy bramble]

That sucks

[graceful burrow]

It's ancient man idk what you expect lol

[spring socket]

The 460 stopped getting updates in 2018

[graceful burrow]

Obsoleted

[brave niche]

did they release a 7950x3d review?

[tardy bramble]

What do you mean by that

[brave niche]

ive been looking but it seems like they forgot or smthn

[graceful burrow]

It isn't supported anymore
No new drivers
Card's donezo

[tardy bramble]

So it dont work?!

[graceful burrow]

730 also doesn't get new drivers

[tardy bramble]

But it works

[graceful burrow]

It works
Does it work well

No new updates
No new support

[spring socket]

They got a defective unit, so they can't review it yet

[graceful burrow]

No new optimizations

Gt 730 was never meant to be a gaming card

[brave niche]

ah i see, thx

[graceful burrow]

It's a display adapter
We've gone over this

You're the only one in denial here man

[tardy bramble]

Yes im rerurning the gt730 system

[spring socket]

It underperforms, in gaming, even to Intel igpus lol

[tardy bramble]

Well my intel intgraded was worse than that

[graceful burrow]

Probably because the integrated was also ancient lmao

[tardy bramble]

And is i7 2600 k good?

It was uhd600

[graceful burrow]

Yeah
Old low end
Not very good

Igpus have come a super long way in the past two years

[tardy bramble]

Is it worth it 230 bucks i7 2600k gtx 460 and 16 gb rám?

[wind pulsar]

@turbid falcon
https://youtube.com/shorts/9HsKNFr7xmI?feature=share

[spring socket]

Not really. Those specs are really old. Is there a particular reason you're going with such old parts?

[tardy bramble]

I aint got the paper

[signal mountain]

Any ideas on projects that I could do with tiny monitors? because I got myself a neat 6" monitor

too small for regular use but is pretty high end

[tardy bramble]

What else do i get for 220 dolars

[spring socket]

I guess it's ok with that budget, but be aware of the limitations

[night heron]

i wouldnt pay more than a hundred dollars for that

[tardy bramble]

Yes im watching on YouTube its whack

[spring socket]

Honestly, I'd just wait to get more money, or hell, get a console

[polar fern]

vollaphone seems cool - ltt video when?

[limpid hamlet]

Hii

[signal mountain]

$220 for a starter pc is alot, I often see fully working pcs at ok specs, secondhand for under $100

Or if you aren't too picky, even for $5

[spring socket]

Cuz a 460 ain't going to be great for most gaming

[polar fern]

ohai vanilla, been a while

[tardy bramble]

Yes but in america and not here

[signal mountain]

getting a console = you have to spend $1000s on games vs a pc which you can get free games and do other things on

[night heron]

3igpork's idea of okay specs is something from before the year 2000 keep in mind

[signal mountain]

a gtx 460 is godlike compared to my newest gpu

[night heron]

case in point

[spring socket]

Ok, but the PC he's wanting is going to be incredibly limited

[tardy bramble]

Yes i need to use steam unlock

[spring socket]

What's your GPU?

[signal mountain]

I mean, for under $100, I often see pcs with a 64 bit cpu, gbs of ram, and a nice modern case, and sometimes a mid end gpu

[polar fern]

folk need to differentiate when talking about high end gaming and "it can run games". like my mac mni and my lenovo are not "gaming pc" yet manage to stream games all the time

[signal mountain]

currently on integrated gpu (from my pentium g630) since my best discrete gpu is a Nvidia fx5500 (about 4x worse)

[signal mountain]

"incredibly limited" yet I can find 100s of games for a pc of any specs.

[polar fern]

you dont need 400 fps 😉

[spring socket]

How many of those actually run well though?

[night heron]

3igpork here for his daily mission of trying to convince everyone to be happy with hardware from 2003

[signal mountain]

I mean nowadays, pcs aren't exactly revolutionary and any pc from the last 30 odd years can run good looking and fun games

[signal mountain]

Some are actually way better than mines , with a good mobo too

[spring socket]

You know a 460 can't even boot some games due to not supporting all of dx11 and dx12's feature levels, right?

[polar fern]

30? hmm thats not realistic.

[night heron]

way better than yours doesnt mean it isnt bad still pork

[tardy bramble]

Im playing on lowest settings always 40 to 60 fps good for mw

[night heron]

i consider your hardware unusably bad

it cant even play roblox

[signal mountain]

Even on a more modern gpu (like a gtx 1650 on my friend's pc), running a game with dx9 gives a higher performance than with dx11 or especially 12

[polar fern]

i have computers from 2006-2008 and there is no damn way they can play modern titles

the apps wont even install

[signal mountain]

I can play modded minecraft at 200fps, watch 720p YouTube videos and multi task, do videoediting, play fallout 3 on mid settings, etc, which is pretty powerful

[night heron]

720p youtube

so like 1.5 megabit video, incredible

[spring socket]

Modern games don't have the option to switch to dx9

[sonic barn]

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2023AF0017-000312

Don't go near or touch dead animals

[signal mountain]

I mean since a pc from the 90s, is in its heart, nearly the same as a modern one albeit slower

[polar fern]

its not anywhere near the same

[sonic barn]

Last we need is another pandemic rn

[signal mountain]

multiple 720p videos while multitasking without lag *

[night heron]

what kind of videos can you edit on a pentium g630

vhs videos?

[signal mountain]

I mean kind of, vs pcs of the mid 80s and before, which are a completely different beast

[polar fern]

@sonic barn didnt you hear? white tail deer all have covid

[spring socket]

That would've been impressive, in 2008

[night heron]

[signal mountain]

I edited/complied an 9 hour long video at 480p, took me 20 hours though

[night heron]

LOL

[sonic barn]

Don't care about that, but h5n1 is 60% mortality rate in humans

COVID was like 0.001

[night heron]

totally usable hardware guys, barely different than a modern system

[polar fern]

a computer from 2008 cannot play games released today. the hardware does not support it.

[signal mountain]

True, sadly, since some new games are pretty fun but can't run on my hardware like fallout 4

[polar fern]

h1n1 doesnt give you a stroke or heart failure or memory loss or inflammatory issues

[sonic barn]

Just report any dead animals you see to the police so they can get them removed

[signal mountain]

Depends on how powerful it is for its time, a crappy low end pc of 08' would not, ofc, but a really high end one could still be fast now.

[polar fern]

covid is basically like airborne AIDS

[sonic barn]

H5n1 look it up it's able to infect anyone in close contact to it

It's been mutating like crazy in seals

[polar fern]

i know all about it, i am ah huge science nerd

[signal mountain]

I mean I even use a 286 based pc, seriously, for word docs, spreadsheets, trying to learn programming, etc, so yea

[spring socket]

The point is, we shouldn't be encouraging people to buy ancient hardware just because it's cheap

[sonic barn]

CDC is the closest one to a vaccine though since they started one like 20 years ago

[signal mountain]

But a $100 pc bought nowadays is a significantly better deal than a old console

[night heron]

if youre working with less than $250 your best bet is to buy a used office or workstation PC and put a used gpu in it

[signal mountain]

and a phone/tablet is absolutely trash for true multitasking, and gaming

[polar fern]

there is literally vastly fewer transistors in those older gen processors. the power just isnt there at all.

[signal mountain]

Yes

[night heron]

nothing pork suggests though

hes never used anything more powerful than a 2006 computer

[signal mountain]

Yea that is true, but it's still usable

[spring socket]

At the very least, a much better GPU than the 460

[gentle slate]

yall how complicated is downgrading gpu drivers

[signal mountain]

my lenovo pc was bought in 2009 iirc

[gentle slate]

coz theyre currently causing me bigg issue

[polar fern]

useable? hmm like i said i have computers that old and they dont get used

[gentle slate]

AMD is unreliable af. New driver new problem

[polar fern]

why? they cant run anything new

[signal mountain]

Because I do have one, a gtx 750 ti, but when I installed it on my pc, it won't get past bios and into windows

[gentle slate]

wait was that towardz me?

[gilded quest]

Nvidia*

[polar fern]

no blue

[spring socket]

Probably a dead card

[signal mountain]

so I'm trying to find a cheap but modern enough pci gpu without the need of extra power connectors

[gentle slate]

so how downgrade. dO I need to go through the chore of DDU

[polar fern]

pci gpu? erm thats like 90's era my friend

[signal mountain]

damn, could it be because I used an adapter for 2, 4 pin molex power plugs(for hdds) into a 8 pin molex (for gpu power)

[polar fern]

"man i get 1000 fps playing tetris!"

[tardy bramble]

Then shoudl i buy it?

[gentle slate]

I get 120FPS on league on my toaster laptop

[signal mountain]

don't gpus still use pci and it's variants? even the almighty gtx 1080ti

[polar fern]

no

[gentle slate]

on MAX SETTING

[spring socket]

They use pci e

[polar fern]

graphics cards went from pci to agp to pcie

[gentle slate]

why AMD want 3 minutes to install driver

[tardy bramble]

Then what for 220? Give an idea

[signal mountain]

so just an upgraded version of pci

[signal mountain]

you forgot about isa, a truly missed connector

[graceful burrow]

no lmao

[polar fern]

missed? no.

[graceful burrow]

completely different
only similar in name

[signal mountain]

oh I legitimately didn't know, and thought that pci and pcie things are intercompatible

[graceful burrow]

no

they arent compatible whatsoever

[signal mountain]

why not? isa was absolutely radical when it came out

[spring socket]

Unfortunately, there's not a ton of great options at that price point

[night heron]

the almighty 1080ti is too slow for what i do

[signal mountain]

Oh that's sad

[gilded quest]

1080ti is just right for me

[tardy bramble]

Theres not i search and search?

[signal mountain]

what do you do? stream 10 hd videos with 1000 tabs of chrome, while minecraft with shaders? come on

[spring socket]

It was almighty 6 years ago. It's fine now, but it's definitely showing its age

[night heron]

3440x1440 and 3840x2160 gaming

[spring socket]

4k gaming?

[signal mountain]

it still has more processing power than all of my pcs and gpus combined

[spring socket]

You have ancient hardware lol.

[tardy bramble]

Damn i was playing sons of forest on like 364 x 400 p or somethinf

[spring socket]

Of course it's going to be better

[night heron]

i have a gpu that's more than twice as fast as a 1080ti, and if i use max settings in fortnite i drop to 30fps

[signal mountain]

I don't see the advantage of that, I technically have a monitor which could go up to 2.5k (not 4k but still) but I just use it at 800x600

to me at least

[signal mountain]

that's some wack aspect ratio

[night heron]

a 4090 isnt overkill for 4k fortnite which is kinda funny

[graceful burrow]

you know what they say
ignorance is bliss

[signal mountain]

lol fartnight has terrible graphics for 2023

[spring socket]

The issue is that a good GPU that's not ewaste will eat up like 75% of your budget

[gilded quest]

bro its time to upgrade

[signal mountain]

And also for some, a 4k video isn't much different than a 720p one

[graceful burrow]

my eyes arent that bad man

[night heron]

it has the best implementation of ray traced lighting in any relevant game pork

[gilded quest]

It do be showing its age

[night heron]

but you wouldnt know that because your computer wont even launch the game

[graceful burrow]

they wouldnt be able to tell the difference they're playing on such a low resolution

[spring socket]

You gonna say that the human eye can't see more than 30 fps next?

[signal mountain]

True, I'm trying to find an ok (secondhand) gpu which actually works for under $50 lol

[night heron]

they ran fortnite at 800x600 minimum 20fps and were like

wow this looks bad

[graceful burrow]

WEIRD

[signal mountain]

Nah, I can see high fps and appreciate it.

[graceful burrow]

WEIRD THAT IT'D LOOK BAD

[gilded quest]

thats gonna be like 1060 or 580 territory

[signal mountain]

well my pc could run some good looking games still

[night heron]

might be able to haggle a rx 470 for $50

[signal mountain]

Which is pretty good

[gilded quest]

theres always deals on facebook marketplace

[graceful burrow]

you got a mobo with pcie?

[gilded quest]

maybe I should use a burner phone for selling on Marketplace

[night heron]

they dont have analog video outputs though and i know you only use crts

[signal mountain]

that'd be epic, I'm planning to upgrade my lenovo pc with a new gpu (since my other one doesn't support windows 7)

[night heron]

if you dont want to use an adapter and incur 15ms input lag the newest gpu generation you can use is maxwell

which is gtx 900 series

[signal mountain]

I would just daisy chain some adapters, the longest one I had was : hdmi - rca - rf - forks to hook up my 70s TV to a friend's pc

[night heron]

rf video is so ass

[gilded quest]

GTX 970 can probably be had for $50

[signal mountain]

on black and white too, but it looks so nostalgic haha

[night heron]

component, scart/rgb, vga, or bust

i wont use composite or rf unless i have no other choice

[signal mountain]

That sounds pretty impossible since barely any gpu outputs raw composite video

[tardy bramble]

yo that pc i found runs my games on recomended

[night heron]

yeah no gpu has composite out

gtx 900 series can have vga or analog dvi though

which you can adapt to any analog video connection

[signal mountain]

I'm not sure if it does, it does however , have 2 pci slots, 2 slots for ram and 4 sata ports

[signal mountain]

I had one back in the day though it died

[signal mountain]

that's pretty rad to know thanks

[graceful burrow]

well if it doesnt have a pcie slot then you cant use a pcie gpu

welcome to the 21st century

[signal mountain]

I usually go with composite or vga

[gilded quest]

whats your platform

[night heron]

vga is ideal for crt monitors

component for tvs iirc

[signal mountain]

dang, sad

[signal mountain]

my os? windows 7, and it's a lenovo pc (has a pentium g630 cpu, with 2gb of ram), I tried to slap a 32gb of ram into the mobo but it just wouldn't recogize it even in bios

[signal mountain]

True that, though is a older vga monitor with less vga pins(by design, not broken off) better or worse? I could never figure that out

[gilded quest]

huh thats newer than I was expecting

[signal mountain]

yea well I do need to watch some HD videos on YouTube and do video editing lol

[tardy bramble]

Damn that GTX 460 is gaming beast it can game

[gilded quest]

throw a 2700K in there

[signal mountain]

I might try to save up for the best cpu for my mobo and take this pc to the next decade with me. lol

[gilded quest]

i assumed 2700K or 3770K would be best; but as always check your OEM compatibility chart if there is one

[graceful burrow]

beast
my phone beats it

[spring socket]

It's not a beast

[tardy bramble]

No it doesnt

[graceful burrow]

[tardy bramble]

Yo phone cant play 7 days to die

[graceful burrow]

it could if they ported it

[spring socket]

The 460 probably can't either

[tardy bramble]

Fake

[graceful burrow]

ignorant

[tardy bramble]

Im not

[graceful burrow]

almost willfully ignorant
the worst kind

[spring socket]

A 460 is pretty much e waste now

[graceful burrow]

it's good as a display adapter

[tardy bramble]

If i could send pictures i would show that the game site says it can run it on rexomeneded

[signal mountain]

Ohh okay and I usually went by the cpu socket to check for what cpus could fit

[tardy bramble]

No

[graceful burrow]

not really the best thing to do
intel sometimes reuses sockets and the cpus arent inter-compatible between them

always do a bit more research than what you seem to need to do

[signal mountain]

Really? dang that's a big bummer, I thought that for example, any lga 1155 cpu would fit into any mobo with an lga 1155 socket

[hearty spear]

It was a good card.
12 years ago?

[signal mountain]

oh yea good idea

[graceful burrow]

fit?
yeah
work?
nope

[spring socket]

13 years ago

[graceful burrow]

also the amount of heat 400 series puts out is fucking insane

[hearty spear]

according to google, the launch was 2011

[graceful burrow]

it wasnt good in 2011

[spring socket]

The 480 was basically the GPU equivalent of the 11900k lmao

[graceful burrow]

it was good in 2010

or would have been

[gilded quest]

funny how cool it is in comparison to modern cards

[spring socket]

Newer cards definitely run cooler

[hearty spear]

14 years ago: 200 Watts?! HOW CAN IT USE SO MUCH POWER?!?!

Today? Only 200W? Damn! That's low powered!

[hearty spear]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No, no they don't.

[sonic barn]

It can play rocket league 60fps and CSGO and all eSports games

[graceful burrow]

yeah those were made to run on potatos

[gilded quest]

flagship cards these days draw a lot more power

[graceful burrow]

they're cpu bound by design

[sonic barn]

CSGO it can do 144fps

[tardy bramble]

Why pcBenchmark says it can run 7 days to die recomend tho?

[hearty spear]

Any Electricity that goes into a CPU or GPU? Nearly all of it gets turned into heat, not anything productive.

So a 450W GPU? Is the same thing as a 450W Space Heater

[graceful burrow]

my balls can do 144fps in csgo
that's one of the most cpu bound games to exist

[spring socket]

What is even pcbenchmark

[night heron]

playing csgo is a low bar, the game is as old as the gtx 460 itself and was made to run on lower end hardware from that old era

[hearty spear]

cuz it's a mistake.

[tardy bramble]

You put ur pc info there And it say can run lowest or recomend And cant

[gilded quest]

10s of billions of transistors do be like that tho

[graceful burrow]

you really shouldnt trust those sites lmao

[night heron]

i think its funny when youtubers are like look! the gtx 760 can still game! and pull up csgo and gta 5 as if those games arent as old or older than the card itself

[sonic barn]

Still I don't play new demanding games, my 2070 super gets like 40% usage max

[spring socket]

I don't see a site called that. I hope you're not referring to user benchmark

[graceful burrow]

just as bad as userbenchmark

[hearty spear]

gimme a link
I wanna laugh

[night heron]

like of course it can run games from its own era, it always will

nothing has changed

[tardy bramble]

Aith surw

[sonic barn]

It can also run new games as well

[tardy bramble]

https://www.pcgamebenchmark.com/7-days-to-die-system-requirements

[hearty spear]

a 460 absolutely cannot

[spring socket]

System requirements, btw, are basically arbitrary

[sonic barn]

Pathfinder wrath of the righteous would run on it since min is hd620 and recommended is a GTX 1050

[gilded quest]

I'd think anything with EOL drivers would struggle in most new titles

[night heron]

try playing hogwarts legacy with a 460

[gilded quest]

is HWL cracked yet

[tardy bramble]

that means it can game

[graceful burrow]

hwl?

[sonic barn]

The game is cringe

[gilded quest]

hogwarts legacy

[sonic barn]

Cringe

[graceful burrow]

yeah it's been cracked

[spring socket]

Won't even boot cuz it's dx12 lol

[gilded quest]

dope

[hearty spear]

We don't talk about that on this discord.

[wispy marsh]

Hey

[night heron]

"it can run new games"
"okay try (insert new game)"
"nah that game is cringe"

[hearty spear]

Looking for pirated software and the like is directly against the rules

[tardy bramble]

i dont like withces

[gilded quest]

im not telling people to go out and download it like that
im asking an objective question

[sonic barn]

Because you don't get bitches

[spring socket]

Literally proving his point lmao

[tardy bramble]

you too

[spring socket]

We don't want people buying dead end GPUs

[sonic barn]

True

[graceful burrow]

"y-you too..."

[sonic barn]

Although people asked me out, just don't want a relationship

[hearty spear]

dude, 7 days to die will run on a potato

those requirements are friggin vintage

[sonic barn]

People forget that the steam deck is less performant than a GTX 460

[tardy bramble]

dude go into that big tower and spawn some withces and u see

[hearty spear]

uhhhhhh, lol wut

[tardy bramble]

https://www.pcgamebenchmark.com/7-days-to-die-system-requirements so is it legit?

[spring socket]

It's not just raw performance you know. It's also about driver updates and api support

[sonic barn]

GTX 460 is on par with a GTX 1050 mobile

[tardy bramble]

i mean this https://www.pcgamebenchmark.com/

[spring socket]

A 460 probably can't even play newer dx11 games since it's so old

[hearty spear]

lolwut

[tardy bramble]

that are what?

[hearty spear]

Direct X - the software from microsoft that nearly all games are run on top of

[tardy bramble]

what hapens if ill run sons of forest then?

[hearty spear]

originally released as MS' competition to OpenGL and GLide back in the late 90's

[spring socket]

It likely won't boot

It'll probably say that it can't find a compatible graphics card

[tardy bramble]

well 730 did it so ur telling me worse gpu will run this beter than beter gpu?

[hearty spear]

a GPU 3 generations newer will support newer game codecs. Yes, that's a thing.

[tardy bramble]

what thell man

[hearty spear]

Do you not know how software and hardware development works?

[spring socket]

To add more, direct x has feature levels. Just because a GPU supports dx 11 and dx 12 doesn't mean it supports all the feature levels

[hearty spear]

cuz this is pretty damned basic.

[tardy bramble]

i dont know nothing i just want normal computer

[spring socket]

You need to do more research before you start buying parts

[hearty spear]

the closest thing to a "normal" computer is gonna be a shit box from HP / Dell / Lenovo that sits on your grandparent's computer desk.

[tardy bramble]

i cant its too much expensive

[wispy marsh]

Uhh

I think pcpp/pcmr would be more help than LTT

[tardy bramble]

whats that

[wispy marsh]

they're catered to a wider audience

[spring socket]

Then you shouldn't be wasting your money on ancient eol GPUs

[wispy marsh]

No offense

[hearty spear]

Buying 10+ year old hardware is never a financially smart plan. Just sayin'

[tardy bramble]

i will jsut buy this theres no other posibilty 7 2600k, 16GB, 128GB SSD, GTX 460, DVD-RW

[spring socket]

A used PS4 or Xbox one would legitimately be a better idea

[tardy bramble]

yes but how do i pirate games on that

[spring socket]

I knew you were going to say that lol

[wispy marsh]

At that point, you're better off buying a cotton candy maker. It'll have a warranty and make you happier for longer

Because with your level of knowledge, you will NOT want to have anything that's remotely close to that 2600K

[tardy bramble]

why i wont hav anything close

[wispy marsh]

If it dies in transit, you've lost your money
If it dies in your room the next day, you've lost your money
If you accidentally look at it funny, you've lost your money

[spring socket]

You legitimately don't have enough money for a computer honestly

[tardy bramble]

i do have 220 dolars thats a lot of money

[wispy marsh]

Perception

[spring socket]

Not for a computer

[wispy marsh]

My build costs me $3000~$4000

[spring socket]

The average PC build is like a 1000 at least

[wispy marsh]

To me, it's affordable

To the regular pc builder, it is not

[hearty spear]

3-4K is a superluxurious build, you absolutely do not need to go that far

[tardy bramble]

yes you are rich thats why

[hearty spear]

you don't have to be rich to spend 3-4K, but you're not poor

[wispy marsh]

But to the regular pc builder, $220 is SSD money, not full-build money

[wispy marsh]

^

A decent build with worry-free tech support starts at 1K

[young root]

my 7900xtx has the intake temp sensor that my old one didn't

it also doesn't do anything

[spring socket]

Still, you should enough money for potential computer problems

[wispy marsh]

$220 is something you set aside to troubleshoot computer problems

[tardy bramble]

i dont even know what u meant by that

[young root]

220$ is not enough for a gaming computer today

[spring socket]

You really need to learn more about computers before you buy one

[gentle slate]

Well seems like this has been a problem for a long time. 6 month old drivers still bugged. Thanks amd

[spring socket]

Or you're going to screw up somewhere

[young root]

that's from someone who builds 200$ computers as my side job

[tardy bramble]

i think my just gonna go to work inisde junkyards to get computet there

[wispy marsh]

That's your best bet if you don't have money tbh

[young root]

that's also a bad idea

realistically you're gonna find a core 2

[gentle slate]

Won't that be considered theft as well

[wispy marsh]

Unwanted tho

[young root]

go on facebook and buy an i5 3470 dell desktop, buy a case, psu and an rx 580 locally

[tardy bramble]

i got betr idea ill work for paul so he sayd he gives me pc for thast

[young root]

you'll be out like 200$

[tardy bramble]

i want ut

[gentle slate]

Time to pray the 9 month drivers work.

[tardy bramble]

it to be beter than gt 730

[young root]

i built one with that method for 140$

[wispy marsh]

That shit would die when you close the door with a little too much force

[young root]

you have no idea what you're talking about

i've built like... 30? with older dells and used rx 580s and none have failed

[wispy marsh]

I do. I have a 2600 with ddr3 running as my home server and it's flawless for something of its age. I'm just poking fun at that idea

[young root]

it's a really good way to get a gaming pc for cheap

[wispy marsh]

It's able to run a vega64 today

[young root]

it's the best way to get a cheap gaming pc

i had a vega 56 flashed to the 64 bios and it was so cool

[wispy marsh]

The thing is, it's really troublesome to troubleshoot if all you have is one pc with some bad part

[young root]

the thing that fails is the mobo, it's always the mobo

the hard drive generally lasts longer than the mobo

[wispy marsh]

I picked up that strix 64 for $222, and it's still running

[young root]

mine was 100$

reference card

[wispy marsh]

No vega72 bios to flash to

[young root]

i want a vega 7

[wispy marsh]

Man you should've seen that strix heatsink

[young root]

except for the whole 100% fan thing

the strix rx 580 is mean

[wispy marsh]

It's the size of a forearm

[wispy marsh]

My tuf 6900xt was way bigger than the strix vega tho

[young root]

my new xtx is the size of a boat

[wispy marsh]

Is it 4080-sized or 3080-sized?

[young root]

if you put my 7900xtx next to a challenger they're the same size

4090 sized i believe

[wispy marsh]

No way

4090 draws way too much power for the xtx to be the same size

[young root]

its substantially larger than a reference 4090

in every dimension

[wispy marsh]

[young root]

it's as big as the strix 4090 it looks like

[long briar]

Largest card I've worked on is a zotac 4090 trinity

[young root]

the zotac 4090 is a bit bigger

[long briar]

but ironically the cooler is the only reason why it's bigger

[young root]

i only got this card because it's 4 slots tbh

[long briar]

The pcb of the zotac 4090 is smaller than a tuf 3090

And the tuf 3090 overall is tiny

for a 3090 AND just comparably

[young root]

they're all over sized

[long briar]

I thought they shipped a 3070 but yea...

[young root]

they make a 3 fan 3050

[long briar]

It's quiet

[craggy oyster]

I suggest Tiger Touch II

has plenty of IO

[young root]

there's people dumb enough to buy a 3050, beyond that dumb enough to buy a 3 fan

[tardy bramble]

XFX RS Radeon RX 570 8GB this good?

[young root]

just buy it

[long briar]

how much

[spring socket]

Um wrong reply?

[young root]

80$ usd is good for a 570/580

[craggy oyster]

no

[young root]

60-70 for a 4gb

[craggy oyster]

Tiger touch II is a console

[long briar]

i wouldn't get a 580 4gb

would rather go 570 8gb

[young root]

it's a good value card

[long briar]

same price

[young root]

and realistically at 1080p he's using les than 4gb

[long briar]

not with a lot of games actually

[young root]

the rx 580 is a turd today and i don't suggest it to anyone who isn't on a tiny budget

[spring socket]

Not a gaming console

[wispy marsh]

I use less than 8gb of vram on 1440p

[craggy oyster]

who mentioned a game console, it's a lighting console. plenty of universes, no need to pay for software, works like a charm

[young root]

i use 11gb

[long briar]

I'm still on a 980ti, 1080p 165hz monitor, I have filled my 6gb of vram before playing something (genshin i think?)

[young root]

i've had a 980 ti, they're just about on their way out

[long briar]

They are

[spring socket]

We were literally talking about gaming lol, maybe actually look at the conversation

[wispy marsh]

Probably more than 10gb on 2077, but that game is pretty demanding

[long briar]

it's about a 1660ti

[polar fern]

is Cudy a reputable networking equipment company/brand?

[long briar]

But draws twice the power

[wispy marsh]

I could only get 60~90 consistent fps on cp2077

[young root]

i don't own cyberpunk

[long briar]

I don't play aaa games tho so at the same time 980ti is fine

[gilded quest]

based

[young root]

i play at 1440p 165 so i bought a 7900xtx

[long briar]

...

[gilded quest]

same resolution but 1080ti still doing it good

granted.....eSports and older titles

[young root]

my 1080 ti does 4k60, so it does what i need

it's dead silent too, the aio is louder than my 1080 ti

[gilded quest]

yeah my card has an overbuilt cooler yet never pulls more than 300W (thats OC in a stress test)

[young root]

i'll have to see what mine does

it's a 6+8 card

[long briar]

I have... reference 980ti

[gilded quest]

mines 8+8

[young root]

my 1070 ti is single 8, i'll test that as well

[long briar]

it literally sounds like the 290x I had before

[young root]

they're both blower

[gilded quest]

but I can't get it above 2050MHz with driver voltage limits

[young root]

i've not oc'd it yet

one day i'll put it in my main system and go ham

[long briar]

forgot when but I believe it got locked at like 480 ish

[gilded quest]

480MHz?

[long briar]

I usually run 471 or sth

driver version*

[dusty rune]

watts

[long briar]

No drivers

[gilded quest]

whatts

[young root]

my 980 ti is the only card i've ever owned that was too hot to touch after usage

[long briar]

Immediately yep

[young root]

it fucking sucked

[long briar]

260w on a blower is a bad idea

[young root]

i had the evga classified

[long briar]

or at least thats how much mine drew

Oh damn

classified had acx cooler right

[gilded quest]

classified was copper, right?

[young root]

idk

[gilded quest]

https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N108TAORUS-11GD#kf

thats mine
its ugly as shit

[young root]

imagine the is as a 1080 ti that's what it looks like

[spring socket]

I was actually originally going to get a 1080ti for my build lol

[young root]

i don't want to get the pc off the shelf

mine was like 165$

good deal

[gilded quest]

mine was $630

[normal cargo]

Beast

[young root]

new?

[gilded quest]

new in 2018

[young root]

ain't bad

[gilded quest]

bought minutes after RTX 2080 reviews went live

[long briar]

there's 3090 blower that's literally a stripped down reference gtx480

[sonic barn]

I got a 2070 super back in 2019

still have it today

[young root]

those cards aged really fast

[normal cargo]

They were pretty meh when released

[young root]

100%

the 2080 was dumb

[gilded quest]

the 2080S was dumb

[young root]

the 2080 to the 3080 was yuge

[long briar]

2070 super holds up and for the price rn isn't bad at all

At least here it's going for about 250 cad with lowest at 200

[young root]

idc about today, when it was new it was dumb

the 5700xt was always a better deal

[long briar]

2080s was stupid

[gilded quest]

2070S wasn't bad

2080S was stupid

[long briar]

5700xt reference cooler.... sucked

It looked so clean tho

[young root]

i had a thicc 3

[gilded quest]

mmmm dented

[young root]

it was like 14 inch long

[long briar]

it worked

[gilded quest]

whats 14 inches like

[long briar]

but it's so loud

[young root]

wdym

[long briar]

...

[spring socket]

They were glorified prototypes

[wispy marsh]

||ya don't know 14 inches||

[young root]

i need a different case after a while

[sonic barn]

kinda too long

[long briar]

Not rly

[young root]

my intake is my aio, so my gpu is cooled by hot air

[spring socket]

Their big selling feature wasn't even available at launch lol

[long briar]

It was a generation filler

Ampere wasn't ready yet so they needed something to fill the generation

[gilded quest]

same

[young root]

i have to get a full tower too bc my card is 100 million feet long

i have a huge case and the gpu is still almost at the edge

[long briar]

what case

kinda looks like a define

but I'm not sure

[young root]

thermaltake view 37 argb

[long briar]

in the case of the zotac 4090 it almost reaches the end of the h7 flow

Oh that's bigger than h7 lol

full tower time yea...

[young root]

if i can find a mid tower id consider it but this case just looks great

its a display piece

[normal cargo]

Loadsa room

[fossil dirge]

I'm planning on getting the Razer Blade

I want to get the laptop

But I heard there's issues with it like bloating battery and poor quality control

[gilded quest]

ROG Zephyrus

[young root]

overpriced laptop

[sonic barn]

mine caught fire

[young root]

get a maingear vector pro 2

[gilded quest]

get rog

[long briar]

rly?

[fossil dirge]

I heard that ASUS ROG are great laptops

[gilded quest]

yes

[sonic barn]

at least for the guy that I repaired it from, the guy was playing on it and then it randomly caught fire on the dc in port

[gilded quest]

Asus ROG Zephyrus @fossil dirge

[long briar]

1400cad for a r9 6800hs and 6700s

[sonic barn]

get a thinkpad and never worry about another laptop for at least 5 years

then build a desktop

[long briar]

g14 2022

1080p 144hz, 16gb ram with hello facial recognition

It's not bad at all

[young root]

idk if its still 1100 usd but my maingear vector pro 2 has a 6900hx, 3070 ti, windows hello, 32gb ram, 1440p 240hz display

[long briar]

how thick is it?

That's kinda the diff here

G14 feels like a tank yet is thin enough to pass as a "normal" laptop

Also Canada prices kinda broken anyway

[young root]

it says its an inch tall

[dusk sequoia]

Also fan issue when it's Really old

Becomes loud af

[fossil dirge]

Wow

[young root]

the razer laptop sucks

[long briar]

that's quite thick

[sonic barn]

they still put mosfets under the heatsink

[long briar]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-zephyrus-14-wqxga-120hz-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-9-16gb-ddr5-memory-amd-radeon-rx-6800s-1tb-pcie-4-0-ssd-moonlight-white/6494639.p?skuId=6494639

[graceful burrow]

the razer sucks*
had a weird extra word in there

[long briar]

1300 for a "premium" laptop

[sonic flame]

M16 has a lot of QC issues, other than that, it's one sexy ass laptop

[young root]

idk man, 240hz 1440p with a 6900hx and a 3070 ti is about as good as it gets

[sonic barn]

@fossil dirge you keep saying this though
#tech-chat-1 message

I always reply with this

[gilded quest]

There are a lot of Zephyrus models
I'd suggest G14 or the new G16 (or an older G15 on sale)

[long briar]

it is also a desktop replacement

not a take anywhere office laptop that happens to be able to game

[young root]

its a great office laptop

[long briar]

Otherwise I'd have recommended a legion 5...

[young root]

its dead silent with an amazing keyboard

[sonic flame]

Wait what's silent?

[long briar]

can't take it to meetings without looking goofy

[fossil dirge]

Lenovo makes great laptops

[sonic flame]

The m16?

[long briar]

Also new g14 fan tuning is so good

[young root]

bro its literally a normal looking laptop

[sonic flame]

Fr they do but they ugly

[long briar]

also very very quiet, far better than old g14

[fossil dirge]

I did heard that ASUS improved a lot on their ROG laptops

[young root]

mine has a mode button that makes the fans not spin, spin fast or spin at 7k

each mode changes the tdp

[sonic barn]

that's subjective

[gilded quest]

I have first gen G14; its alright, but the new models are very very refined

[long briar]

also it's 1800...

[sonic flame]

Hope it's true

[sonic barn]

I think the black design on the thinkpads are unmatched

[long briar]

same as rog

that said armory crate is dogshit

[young root]

the rog is also far slower lol

[long briar]

And smaller

[sonic barn]

its trash on desktop fails to sync

[long briar]

And cheaper

[young root]

id sacrifice an extra pound of weight for a better laptop

[gilded quest]

https://github.com/aredden/electron-g14control
I've been meaning to try this

[young root]

cad to usd means the rog is 80 usd cheaper

for half the ram, worse display, worse gpu and cpu

[long briar]

i can't find a vector pro for 1100usd tho?

[sonic flame]

Zephyrus G was far more reliable than the M series

[gilded quest]

even though my G14 has half the vents blocked off

[long briar]

dunno what store that is all I know is we don't have it lol

[young root]

i forgot youre canadian, its micro center

[long briar]

Ah

That explains it

if we had that in Canada it'd be my top recc'd laptop

[young root]

theres not a single laptop for sale thats a better deal than that

[long briar]

because that's a great price

unfortunately it's America only

[wispy marsh]

El queso es el alimento por excelencia!
EN: quesadillas is ailment-avoiding excellence

[young root]

i changed my mind

an open box 1650 hp for 425$

[long briar]

LMAO

[young root]

thats a steal

[long briar]

eh

Disagree, they don't last

but there's a good chance hp victus isn't actually hp but rather some other oem like tongfang

[north escarp]

I usually run through acers site. But their current promo for 1000$ or 800$ isn't super appealing they usally have better deals

[long briar]

That one I'm willing to entertain

other than that hp Pavilion, "laptop" and omen laptops don't really last

with Asus it's more if it doesn't die in the first 3 months it'll last for a decade

[young root]

i gave my lady my 1660 ti 4800h omen and it was amazing

absolutely the best built laptop ive ever owned

[long briar]

Rly

[young root]

better than one of my t440s

[long briar]

Well my main experiences were with their normal laptop line and pavilion line

5/6 batteries all became a marshmellow

[young root]

id pick an omen over any other if its priced right

[long briar]

two had screen failures within 2 months and rma'd for screen replacement

[young root]

bro the speakers were wild too

[north escarp]

Yeah my brother has his 1650 still runs good after 3 or so years, I usually get them to upgrade the storage and ram and then resell

But im sure they have issues as any other manufacturers

[young root]

isnt it hard to get any profit on laptops?

[long briar]

Uhh depends

[young root]

i make huge margins on desktops

[long briar]

for someone like maingear who is more niche yea

[north escarp]

Sometimes can take awhile

[young root]

used

[long briar]

For people like Asus and HP who have scale advantage not really

[young root]

i didnt sell my omen because no one is getting an 8 core ryzen 7 and 32gb ram for fucking 500$

[long briar]

they can share display panels, batteries, speakers, keyboards, touchpads, etc.

even mobo can be shared at times

but yea laptops don't hold their value

EXCEPT for macbooks

[young root]

fuck macbooks

[long briar]

lmao

[young root]

i sold a 12 year old macbook for 200$

fuck macbooks

[long briar]

Can't do that with any other brand

[young root]

macos users are genuienly insane

[long briar]

well

not rly

I'm pretty okay with it

[young root]

macos is bad

[long briar]

still prefer windows 10

[wispy marsh]

Mac was good until they tried to import iOS UI

[long briar]

and 8.1 is the best windows to exist

[young root]

im on win 11

my xeon has win 7 and its great, a bit hard to navigate but better than 11

oh also windows 11 is the worst for 4k tvs

the startup screen is too small

[long briar]

scaling

[signal mountain]

mac was inferior since day one

[long briar]

Mac existed before windows

[signal mountain]

yes I know that.

[long briar]

or

a gui os

[signal mountain]

Ms dos and windows is better to me though, or at least since I'm way more used to that

[young root]

macos is bad

[long briar]

and tbf they all ripped off xerox

[signal mountain]

there's already a few experimental gui os's back in the 70s and early 80s

[signal mountain]

True, xerox was rad(even has a form of ethernet before the world wide web!) but never really took off and then died

[signal mountain]

but like with windows, with each new iteration, the worse it gets

[long briar]

no

It's a tick tock for the most part

good bad good bad good... etc

[young root]

mac os is bad bad bad bad bad

[fossil dirge]

MacOS is good

[long briar]

Nahh

[fossil dirge]

Even though Linux is better

[young root]

no

[long briar]

only feature I miss in macos from windows is window snapping

because Microsoft pulled a dick move and patented window snapping.

[signal mountain]

Lol windows is gone to the crapper since win8

[long briar]

8.1*

[signal mountain]

If I had my way, I would stick with winxp forever.

[neon mesa]

windows has gone better

nostalgia is rather blinding

[plush rivet]

The amount of apple haters amazes me

[long briar]

Okay here take a look

[plush rivet]

nobody can say 1 company does certain things better than the other and keep it at that

[long briar]

98, me, 2k, xp, vista, 7, 8, 8.1, 10(early), 10(late), 11

[fossil dirge]

I think Windows 11 is a great OS

[signal mountain]

nope, I objectively disagree, try running windows xp and 7 on your new pc and it would be leagues faster, use far less hard drive space, doesn't freeze up your hdd randomly so aka better performance in games as well

Not mentioning the bloatware and Spyware

[long briar]

98 was good, me was bad. 2k was good, xp was good, vista was bad. 7 is good, 8 was bad, 8.1 was good, early 10 was meh, late 10 was good, 11 is meh

[plush rivet]

Agreed

[neon mesa]

there is objectivity when it involves preference

it is entirely your subjective opinion

try running DX12 game on XP, goodluck

[long briar]

that said only windows 11 scheduler works with big.LITTLE properly so there's something to be had with upgrading

[signal mountain]

Is it? when windows 10 and 11 requires far more computing power to do the same thing at best. And the telemetry spyware

[neon mesa]

98 was mid

it's a 95 refresh

[long briar]

It was enough of an improvement over 95

[neon mesa]

saying ME is bad is an understatement

it was straight up broken

[signal mountain]

I purposely try to run a game with an older version of dx if possible, and the most modern games that I'm into are modded minecraft, fallout 4, skyrim and the Sims 4

[signal mountain]

it's bad for its time but still way ahead of 10, seethe

[long briar]

you don't say, I tried installing it on a p3 optiplex a while ago and uh... yea

[long briar]

nono

2k was revolutionary

[neon mesa]

early 10 is straight up dogshit and no wonder it got bad reputation that still sticks even though late 10 is decent

[long briar]

When they went from msdos to nt

and it was barely a year apart

[neon mesa]

more like blinded by nostalgia

guy really saying a straight up unusable OS is better than 10

[long briar]

ME was not ahead of anything, it was a downgrade from 98

[signal mountain]

it's better than 10, but is pretty bad still.

[long briar]

What do you use?