public-chat

[safe radish]

sounds like someone didnt report their shit to hr and then just decided to leave the company instead of reporting to HR so Linus decided to have a meeting about how HR exists for a reason

[granite tinsel]

no i've already gotten into it twice on this server and i'm sick of it

[dreamy rose]

Meats are the joy of the world tho.

[uncut axle]

At least i would imagine that she would leave if that was case

[safe radish]

This whole thing reads like someone looking for a story and trying to piece together a puzzle even if the pieces aren't matching up perfectly. Like bro jumped from Linus hates talking about wages to LMG is a shithole company with a harassment problem

[steady void]

Wait didn't that girl who had the pc from ltt who got the job after leave?

[vital niche]

Same with High on Life, game is shit

[dreamy rose]

Rig Reboot?

[steady void]

Wait that was madison

[granite tinsel]

things can blow up all at once because of a single inciting incident, but i am gonna need to see more than this personally

[safe radish]

Im just saying the poster seems like he's fishing all he can right now and none of it adds up to what he's trying to make it add up to if you think for any amount of time.

[shy kelp]

See, but I have to co exist with this kind of statement. Imagine your kind of statement against trans rights? But I'm not (currently) allowed to be outraged with what you just said (which I am!!!). So I just keep living my life.

[uncut axle]

I think Sarah is still there, if you are thinking of Sarah that is

[granite tinsel]

yeah

[steady void]

No I'm on about madison, wasn't she the social media manager?

[uncut axle]

Something like that, idk much about it

[safe radish]

Madison was the one who was trying to use LMG to boost her twitch presence wasnt she? or was that just some BS I read on reddit too?

[steady void]

Never heard of that one

[safe radish]

Because I thought right after this Linus went real hard on making sure people werent exposed in videos until their 6 month period was over

[granite tinsel]

sounds like BS; there's a billion easier ways to boost your twitch presence

[safe radish]

lol true true.

[vital niche]

being a girl on twitch is ONE way

[steady void]

I can guess one of the reviews about the company on glass door about the cat calling would be from her, as she was social media manager at the time one of them was posted

[timid meadow]

I think he was doing that before her and she was an exception as the social media manager

[uncut axle]

Also I just heard a big boom outside, no idea what it was

[safe radish]

Ooohohhh no no that makes a lot of sense

[shrewd geyser]

hey yall, wasgood?

[uncut axle]

Im good

[shrewd geyser]

good

[brittle meteor]

is it worth all the suffering they get though

[vital niche]

not for Amouranth

[timid meadow]

Im alright. About to head to work. Excited about new hardware in the mail

[granite tinsel]

^ also i think that's more the fault of twitch administration

[vital niche]

but hot women get it enough IRL

some women do it to themselves

[uncut axle]

Our German shepherd gets along with our husky puppies mostly fine, i would say there’s a bit of drama but it’s mostly fine

[vital niche]

like they invent whole new fetishes

it's kinda sad really. They need to get some substance

[dreamy rose]

yeah. but its pretty different going from Meat and Veganism to Gender identity. its not natural to be hating on people because of what they prefer to be referred to as or what they wanna hit. its natural to be Hungry when you see meat. i'm sure you had to have known that feeling right

[shrewd geyser]

oh and hey yall, if linus gets back on, tell him i said hi!

[uncut axle]

💀💀

[vital niche]

for example, there is this streamer called CottageGoddess. her kink is being "a giantess"

yeah try that as a guy

no business

tv/cottagegoddess_

[safe radish]

is this an ad 😳

[dreamy rose]

people like Macro shit a lot

[granite tinsel]

you can stop being vegan; you can't stop being trans or queer

[vital niche]

Macro nutrients are better

[eager notch]

What the fuck is going on in the LTT subreddit?

[safe radish]

nothing of value

[dreamy rose]

its Reddit...

[unkempt widget]

it's the biggest plot twist ever

[granite tinsel]

shit

[timid meadow]

Usual reddit shit

[safe radish]

The call is coming from inside the house

[vital niche]

though Demi Lovato switches for convenience

[safe radish]

?

[vital niche]

she went back to She/her

LOL

[unkempt widget]

if the harassment claims are true, then there is something of value

[vital niche]

now all the articles have to change the pronoun

[granite tinsel]

that's fine; it can take a while for you to figure out your gender identity

[vital niche]

it is quite funny

[unkempt widget]

gender fluidity exists tbh

[granite tinsel]

i used to go by he/they when i was still trying to figure out my own gender expression

[vital niche]

shes doing ghost hunting shows

shes off her rocker

tell me a ghost hunter with a sane brain

[dreamy rose]

i personally have no idea what i am. have been debating this for years tbh.

[vital niche]

tell me please

[vital niche]

it's when you start forcing other people to call u it IS THE ISSUE

[granite tinsel]

it can take a while

[night heron]

you know it's physically impossible for someone to force you to use their preferred pronouns

stop being dramatic

if someone wants you to call them she instead of he who cares

[vital niche]

crazy ppl do try

[granite tinsel]

also is it really so fuckin hard

[vital niche]

like on discord I got lambasted

for referring to someone as dude

LIKE CALM TF DOWN

[night heron]

well yeah because if you intentionally use the wrong pronouns youre being a dickhead

[graceful burrow]

Just use they them by default easy leash

[eager notch]

There's literally no evidence of anything other than a post that is more than likely from a troll with way to much time on his hands

[granite tinsel]

some people don't like that; personally i'm good with it and treat dude as gender neutral

[unkempt widget]

hmmm idk, maybe you could just like y'know, respect other people's preferences, it would be really easier for you

[night heron]

this too, you can just use they for everyone

it's completely neutral

[vital niche]

true, but some ppl get medical affirmation, which is a NEW process

[dreamy rose]

my main issue is if you scream at someone who you've never talked to before and they haven't got any idea.

[night heron]

if using the opposite pronoun makes you annoyed just use they

[granite tinsel]

it didn't take much time before i started referring to people as they by default before i actually got to know what they preferred

[unkempt widget]

so?

does it hurt you that other people change their appearance

[vital niche]

im a cishet so maybe I just dont care

[night heron]

usually if i get told someone's preferred pronouns once it just sticks and i never have to think about it

[granite tinsel]

i wanna be more androgynous

[dreamy rose]

"Dude" has just become a Synonym for "Them" for me.

[vital niche]

I have had my battles with ppl acting toxic masculine towards me

[granite tinsel]

toxic masculinity fucking sucks

[night heron]

if you truly didnt care then youd just use their preferred pronouns

[vital niche]

and ppl calling me madam when I was a kid on the phone

[night heron]

you do care, you just dont care about their feelings

[vital niche]

but I didnt care

[unkempt widget]

damn how tough, it's not like every child has gone through the same thing

[vital niche]

ive had some males outright tell me males dont cuddle

[unkempt widget]

making a mistake is fine, not correcting is not

[unkempt widget]

wtf who says that

[granite tinsel]

i can believe it 💀

[night heron]

yeah i get that

[vital niche]

some dude who is a maga supporter

[unkempt widget]

toxic masculinity 💀

[night heron]

i live in a conservative dominant area

[vital niche]

but anyways

my point is that these ppl on the right DONT CARE about ur pronouns or whats btw ur legs

[unkempt widget]

only people who are insecure about their masculinity does stuff like that

[vital niche]

they just care that that is the first thing u present (not ur brain)

[unkempt widget]

warshipped

[night heron]

if they didnt care theyd just use the correct pronouns

i stand by that forever

[granite tinsel]

they don't actually care in the sense that they see you as an obstacle to remove either way

[vital niche]

it's not really a threat to way of life

[granite tinsel]

they only pretend to care to make the moderates think their hatred is rational

[vital niche]

"use my pronouns" is definition of victimization

[unkempt widget]

people on their way to raise a family over the 3 seconds they save to not get corrected over their pronouns

[vital niche]

grug didnt have pronouns

[night heron]

can you elaborate

[unkempt widget]

why are you so pissed

[granite tinsel]

there exist languages without gendered third-person pronouns, but english is unfortunately not one of them

[unkempt widget]

sorry did you mean fortunately?

[vital niche]

well yeah but guess what third gender is LEFT OUT of the flags

[granite tinsel]

and unless you're willing to sit here and wait until they/them takes over all other pronouns, you're gonna have to play the game

[vital niche]

Native American third gender

[dreamy rose]

there exist languages that put genders on words

[vital niche]

they are older than any surgery (3rd native america gender)

[granite tinsel]

i prefer japanese in this case because it has gendered first-person pronouns, so it's up to the speaker to decide how they want to be perceived 💀

[night heron]

i dont think any society will permanently become accepting and neutral personally

i think america is destined to continue to get more socially accepting until it collapses

[vital niche]

woke will kill us

[night heron]

eventually the government or the right wing party is gonna get fed up

[vital niche]

look at the M&Ms

Maya Rudolph is now the M&M spokesperson

[granite tinsel]

that's 2-spirit, ain't it?

[vital niche]

yup

[dreamy rose]

its human nature to be butting heads and what not.

[unkempt widget]

i don't even care that much for them tbh, my favourite thing about them is how much it riles people up

[graceful burrow]

"wah people want to not be disrespected wah" is all I hear tbh

[night heron]

this unironically

[granite tinsel]

that's represented in the full word salad acronym; LGBTQ2IA+

[gilded quest]

Tucker Carlson was too thirsty for the green m&m

[vital niche]

it's not on most flags. The LGBTQ are destroying THEMSELVES

[night heron]

most people aren't intelligent enough to be accepting of others differences

[vital niche]

bc they woke

[night heron]

theyre primitive

[graceful burrow]

Do you blame the guy?

[night heron]

that person is different and even though it doesnt affect my life at all i dont like it

[graceful burrow]

🫦

[granite tinsel]

because it has its own flag

[dreamy rose]

this is more to do with like Survival and Applies to war and conflict, but its taken even further now.

[night heron]

i think tucker is getting tired of putting on his fake persona on the news

he isnt actually that conservative, it's an act for views

[granite tinsel]

i'm not bitching that the genderfluid flag in my bio isn't directly in the main pride flag

[vital niche]

yet is added to the bastardization of whatever the rainblow flag was appropriated for

u cant even use the rainbow flag

the 🏳️‍⚧️ JUST got added

[granite tinsel]

you can still though?

[vital niche]

whatre they gonna do next

[unkempt widget]

oh no those flags are so scary 😧

[vital niche]

ah but it's been as appropriated as the swastika

[granite tinsel]

[citation needed]

[night heron]

i really do wonder how avid fox news lovers dont realize it's an act

it fools my dad

[karmic flame]

This is a tech discord, please change the subject

[night heron]

gotcha

[vital niche]

Unicode IS tech

[granite tinsel]

[night heron]

my bedsheets should be dry by now

[granite tinsel]

got a new dashcam 'cause the aukey one i got a few years ago died--checked inside and the supercapacitors looked a tad swollen

[random jolt]

wait people in this discord wash their bedsheets? /s

[unkempt widget]

ok mr mod

[granite tinsel]

and i don't have the means to fix something like that

[dreamy rose]

i'm non binary, just Hex. B6 to be exact.

[graceful burrow]

Based

[granite tinsel]

got one of the viofo ones 'cause it was marginally better than the rest in the main video roundup

i do like how many extras it comes with, like more adhesive pads and different lengths of mini USB cable

[vital niche]

ah but what is betwixt thou legs

[unkempt widget]

stfu

[graceful burrow]

Who cares

[vital niche]

im being ironic

[graceful burrow]

You are being annoying, shut up and change the topic

[granite tinsel]

i thought the mods said for us to change the subject

[vital niche]

oh yeah Badison

[dreamy rose]

1984

[thin vigil]

to something like the shitshow unfolding on the subreddit tonight? lol

[vital niche]

ah the origin

[graceful burrow]

Just replace the supercaps ezpz

[granite tinsel]

ironically that doesn't seem off the table

[granite tinsel]

i would if i could but i lack the equipment for it

[graceful burrow]

[granite tinsel]

was just easier to get a new one

[graceful burrow]

Did you toss it already

[granite tinsel]

nope

[dreamy rose]

had a good night last night?

[vital niche]

yes

[night heron]

no not really

[granite tinsel]

they hardly looked swollen but they were swollen to a very small extent, and nothing else inside the dashcam looked like it was the cause of the problem

[thin vigil]

shits about to get real spicy now they're posting recordings of internal meetings

[granite tinsel]

electronics have died for less

[dreamy rose]

fair. nothing i've done in the last year is fun or intresting either

[granite tinsel]

give me the sparknotes version once it all blows over

[graceful burrow]

Hook it up, usa?

[granite tinsel]

me? nah i'm in canada

[graceful burrow]

Damb

[granite tinsel]

still, if you're willing to just pay for the shipping, i'll give it to you for free; ain't gonna be doing anything else while it's here

[thin vigil]

Probably going to need that myself, it's 4am and I really should be getting to sleep lol was a mistake checking the sub this late

[graceful burrow]

Shipping would probably cost 4x too much :(

[granite tinsel]

yeah

[graceful burrow]

What
Province?

[granite tinsel]

BC

also it's an aukey DR02J if you wanna look at its specs

[summer folio]

Nobody needs more than 1000$/month as income anyways, just lower it to that för everybody

[wispy marsh]

Autohotkey DR02J

[granite tinsel]

it's got a novatek SoC; dunno which one

[wispy marsh]

Your first mistake was to mention income without expenses

[granite tinsel]

i did damage the adhesive for its mounting bracket when taking it off, so if you do get it you might wanna get it a new adhesive pad

it still seems plenty sticky tho

[wispy marsh]

If your food is $70 per meal and rent is $800, I don't think you'd want $1000 either

[graceful burrow]

Don't bother, r3mpuh only shitposts

[summer folio]

Then lower your expenses, simple as that.

[wispy marsh]

Ah, intentional tunnel vision just like I do.

[granite tinsel]

dril candles tweet

[wispy marsh]

Go touch grass

[graceful burrow]

Postal code for shipping estimation?

[granite tinsel]

lemme DM you that

[gloomy monolith]

Something doesn't seem right. LTT using google doc for time keeping. That is something a mom and pop business would do if they have no tech experience.

[wispy marsh]

Your pfp looks sus

Might wanna consider using another color

[gloomy monolith]

Why does the OP have a Premium account if its a burner.

[summer folio]

"A meal is 70$"

That's the kinda mentality my childhood friend pulled when I casually pointed out, his Parents(CEO at the Bank & Owns a Real Estate business) have more money than my sick single mom on welfare.

"Well actually, they don't have more money because they have so many more expenses like wine & cars & TVs & concerts & trips to Europa, so there not much left"

🥱 how 2 sleep

[safe radish]

lol the guy deleted his post

[gloomy monolith]

Yah I just checked.

[safe radish]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/11600fx/what_actual_proof_do_we_have_that_linus_is_an/

this new thread is much better. People actually being reasonable

[wispy marsh]

mentions income
excludes area
excludes family expenses
excludes side income

[gloomy monolith]

I want facts

[wispy marsh]

My house is 200k for 700sqf and monthly loan is 600. Insurance is 300.

[dreamy rose]

none of that matters, Linus clearly directly controls how Much and when they get an Income and they cant get a second job or anything

[wispy marsh]

You've just mixed the two conversations mate

[dreamy rose]

think anyone else would care anyway?

ppl throw random bullshit around all the time

[wispy marsh]

You're right

[dreamy rose]

its almost like ppl think the onion is real news

[night heron]

people who live in rural areas have no idea how the economy works in cities

[near nymph]

Hooman

[night heron]

most of them anyway

[near nymph]

Smoke alarms are expensive...

[night heron]

the less technologically inclined

[near nymph]

This isn't even smart ones... Just interconnected hard wired ones

[plush rivet]

Of course, they don’t have the resources to even learn what an HDMI is

[near nymph]

@karmic flame yo how's your day?

[plush rivet]

And you wonder why those towns are failing lol

[night heron]

they assume that because they can get a 3000sqft house with 5 acres of land for 200k that everyone can

[karmic flame]

Just great

[plush rivet]

like you deny education then wonder why the town is so poor lol

[night heron]

where my family lives in rural kentucky

[karmic flame]

wanna shovel snow on friday if it actually snows ?

[night heron]

there's actually a decent amount of people who are born at home and never go to school or didnt go past 5th grade

[wispy marsh]

Hey, you're the second mod I remember seeing around here!

[near nymph]

Sounds like me. I didn't know how my new alarms run it's testing stuff. My ears hurt.

[night heron]

a lot of them deal only in cash and arent really part of society at all

[plush rivet]

He’s pretty active

[near nymph]

Is there money from it? Haha

[night heron]

theyre practically amish

[wispy marsh]

I see. I was wrong to assume people know as much as me. I grew up in one of the most expensive cities in the world, where $1000 is a part-time job for a high schooler.

[karmic flame]

$30 an hour

[night heron]

oh that comment wasnt in reply to you idkwia

[wispy marsh]

Oh

[near nymph]

Mhmm... Sounds good...

[night heron]

shit ill shovel snow with you for 30 bucks

[near nymph]

$30 an hour is nice...

[karmic flame]

its in north van

[night heron]

ill bring a snowblower

[near nymph]

Well... I'm not able to get to North van haha

Sadly

[karmic flame]

snow shoes

[near nymph]

I don't drive...

[uncut axle]

Honestly sounds perfect, 5 arches and a nice house? Basically all I want

[night heron]

id like some land but i dont want a big house

[uncut axle]

Yeah

[night heron]

i want a tiny ranch home with a little land around me so i dont have neighbors ontop of me

[plush rivet]

Plus less work to take care of the house

[uncut axle]

I like big amounts of land because of how pretty it is most of the time

[hoary kelp]

Not gonna lie, the google docs is the weirdest part of that entire story. No way they are tracking 100 employees on a google doc.

[uncut axle]

Plus I don’t need a 7 bed 5 bath house if it’s just me or something

[night heron]

i would genuinely be fine with like 800 sqft so long as i had a decent garage and a little bit of land

[uncut axle]

Plus if I wanted a garage for cars i could get one built and be able to do stuff with cars quietly

[karmic flame]

wouldn't read much into the reddit BS.

[spiral zodiac]

ehhhh, in the video he claims with the advent of microdrives that digital camera's had an advantage over film. well...yes and no. in terms of how many photos you could take, yeah. but in terms of quality. god no. digital was horrible compared to film up until recently tbh.

[near nymph]

This is reddit

[night heron]

i only need 1 bath and 2 bed

[uncut axle]

Reddit probably isn’t a great source for information

[night heron]

reddit is a great place for information in my opinion

[uncut axle]

Unless you need information on something and you find a really old subreddit about what you are trying to do

[night heron]

i go there to get opinions on products from real people

because amazon reviews are worthless

[unkempt widget]

^^^

[uncut axle]

Honestly i would probably get a 3 bed house (assuming I have kids or something)

[night heron]

oh i dont plan to have any kids but if you do then 3 is good

[uncut axle]

Or if a friend needs a room for the night

Or family

[night heron]

i only like maybe three of my family members

[uncut axle]

You probably wouldn’t need it all of the time, but nice to have ig

[uncut axle]

My family has some drama on both sides tbh, there’s a lot of stuff on my dad side especially

[karmic flame]

@near nymph how much do you weigh ? trying to calculate how much duct tape i need to buy

[near nymph]

200kg

Obviously

20000000000

[karmic flame]

So a pallet of tape it is

[dusky eagle]

Oh.

[near nymph]

Yes

[uncut axle]

Although i don’t feel like going into details (because why would I need to)

[near nymph]

@karmic flame don't forget the ball gag

[karmic flame]

Thats already in my bag

[uncut axle]

And it’s family drama so ehh

[karmic flame]

of tricks

[dreamy rose]

r u fr 200KG?

[near nymph]

Always prepared

[near nymph]

Umm... Ngl I don't know how much I weigh... My scales broke a few months before COVID

The only scale I have is... A packaging scale

[dreamy rose]

likely story. go measure

[karmic flame]

just weigh each limb separately

then add them all up

[uncut axle]

Honestly I’m probably 52-56kg (although I haven’t weighed in a while)

[summer folio]

Linus should jusy half everybodys salary as punishment for complaining.

[dreamy rose]

what about the torso and head then?

[uncut axle]

💀💀

[karmic flame]

Meh, not important. hes gonna be suspended anyway

[uncut axle]

Or not pay them for a week, lol

[near nymph]

I don't have a scale. Need to buy one

Gonna go buy one in a few months... When I have the money

[karmic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/silver-tape-fita-girl-woman-gif-9959270

[summer folio]

LTT Workers Union when?

[karmic flame]

dont want this to happen

[summer folio]

[near nymph]

You obviously wanna see my nice belly

[uncut axle]

Workers union? We don’t need them, lol

[karmic flame]

lol

[wispy marsh]

This reminds me of this one song that makes people proud for how fat they are

[neon mesa]

LTT Union would probably cause there be less videos while at the same time more spending from LTT and they might bankrupt

[unkempt widget]

union = more motivation = higher output

[neon mesa]

Except unions around has done otherwise

It discourages those who are productive as they're paid the same as the one who are less

[summer folio]

Cool, over 90% of all Swedens Employees salary are negotiated by a Workers Union

[near nymph]

Well... Unions are good and bad...

[neon mesa]

And sometimes unions even limit how much the productive guy can work because "unfair to the others"

[wispy marsh]

Fat - Al Yankovic
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t2mU6USTBRE

[uncut axle]

💀💀

[karmic flame]

I have never worked for a business with a union where the union did more harm then good.
In canada anyways it costs the employer and the employee more money. what u get outa it is BS

[wispy marsh]

Is the union IKEA?

[near nymph]

Unions require money... Less money in pocket. If the company treats their employees well... There will be no need for union

[neon mesa]

Unions only work in specifics industries, particularly those who are near minimum wage

[uncut axle]

Imagine having workers unions, I have bad working conditions and i pay very little? So what? They decided to work for me

[near nymph]

Unless the employer is a piece of shit... Then the union is nice

[neon mesa]

Creative industry generally do not need unions as the free market treats them good as they're sought after

[unkempt widget]

you'd be surprised

[uncut axle]

I have no idea what my neighbors are doing💀💀 idk if they have fire works or not💀💀

[karmic flame]

Honestly if you cant find happiness where you work. Leave and find a new job. A union wont fix your happiness

[uncut axle]

I just hear loud booms

[thin vigil]

have you not seen all the shit with VFX and gaming studios over the past few years?

[unkempt widget]

just find a new job 4head

[neon mesa]

A union fixes inhumane work conditions
If the work conditions are already humane it just makes it worse

[near nymph]

I find happiness in my job... I just can't afford that much to pay myself lmfao

[karmic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/hackers-get-a-job-gif-18201376

[uncut axle]

Inhumane work conditions? So what my workers work 20 hours a day, get payed $5 an hour, and are really unhealthy? So what? They decided to work here

[neon mesa]

A union will get you seeing $80 AAA games
Because believe it or not companies don't like taking the foot and will just pass the price to buyers

There are better alternatives

[timid meadow]

Only union ive ever worked for was useless. Not saying anything against them, just my experience. I thought they were bad, then good, then had that experience, then had to educate myself on what a union should be

[karmic flame]

I agree steve lol

[thin vigil]

no one will know what you agree with!

[karmic flame]

Nope lol

[neon mesa]

$60-70 AAA Games nowadays are already shit as they're unfinished unoptimized shitfest

[summer folio]

Unions are the best way to do anything.
The Union owned gym in my town is like 12$/month

[karmic flame]

well obv, they need to add in another $500 in micro transactions

[neon mesa]

The thing is how come indie devs can make better games with 10 devs or less than AAA devs with thousands

[thin vigil]

Unions in the UK at least are a mostly positive force, I realise that's not the case everywhere and have seen the stories of issues with things like Police unions in the US.

[dreamy rose]

"Oh huh. my bad. you haven't grown at all! lets do it!" (you lost cool mode)

[uncut axle]

It’s fire works, for some reason (on the 18th)

[wispy marsh]

Maybe they need to make their own engines, textures, feature rewrites

[karmic flame]

its bed time.. @near nymphs now in charge.. gn all

[unkempt widget]

tbh it's not black and white

[near nymph]

Wait I'm a mod now?

[unkempt widget]

it's not just humane or inhumane

[summer folio]

Everybody, run!

[summer folio]

Totally!

[neon mesa]

The only time i paid more than $50 on steam is F-18 DLC on DCS because somehow a single plane there has more play time than modern AAA games

[unkempt widget]

all companies should strive to be 100% humane, but that's not possible lmao

[near nymph]

[neon mesa]

Except even the consumers don't give shit about it

Consumers want cheap that's why chinese sweatshops strive

[summer folio]

Companies are not humans.

[uncut axle]

Being humane? You will never catch my totally non money laundering business being humane

[vital niche]

right just look at Ohio

[neon mesa]

Blaming it 100% on companies isn't entirely fair as the market supports them

[vital niche]

it's up in smoke

[dreamy rose]

"huuuh. i cant take it no more! i need to get outta here, you're on your own!"

[uncut axle]

Definitely don’t investigate my business, it isn’t money laundering or anything

And it isn’t for tax evasion reasons

[summer folio]

I like how US Gov. Forced every rail road worker back to work "Your strike will cost your Train Company Boss & hence USA money, illegal".

[neon mesa]

Though only seeing the numbers isn't entirely fair either even if the oversea wage is say 2x less than the US if the living cost is 3x less they technically have better living conditions
Not in the case of china tho

[dreamy rose]

hes running Los Pollos Hermanos

[uncut axle]

I’m not, you are!!

[manic torrent]

The market? Consumers can't do anything. And many don't have a choice in buying cheap

The market you are thinking of is the stock market

[unkempt widget]

duh, stakeholder's objectives will clash

[neon mesa]

That's... Exactly the point...

Cheap shit sells...

[wispy marsh]

You can't justify without guilt, an illegal organ harvesting operation as humane or not if it saves the lives of everyone you know in your town.

[uncut axle]

Don’t look in the back alley way by my totally not money laundering business where I have a place full of washers

[neon mesa]

The problem with manufacturing in the US is the overinflated living cost

Making the minimum livable wage here also overly inflated

[uncut axle]

There’s nothing there

[neon mesa]

Living costs outside of the US, EU are usually less than half

[manic torrent]

Consumers do not have a stake.

[neon mesa]

If consumers rather buy from humane companies even if it's pricier then it'll work

But if usual consumers fiddle over $5 discount well you can't do much

[summer folio]

Well, the market is too stupid to know what's best for them, hence why we need the government to force Linus to allow his employees to discuss their salary with each other.

[manic torrent]

A) they have to exist, b) they have to know c) they have to have the money in the first place.

[neon mesa]

Sooo cheap sells...

Consumers only willing to pay more if there are some status quo behind it like apple or they're more high quality

Not simply because of moral standpoint

[wispy marsh]

Living cost is high because

1. The median is cherry-picked
2. It is profitable to keep it high
3. You can't say anything about it

[manic torrent]

Morals are expensive

[neon mesa]

If the same quality item from china is 2x cheaper people rather get that

[manic torrent]

I can afford morals, many people can't.

[unkempt widget]

stakeholders as in anyone who has an interest in the company

[neon mesa]

Morals are only expensive because living cost on your place is expensive

[manic torrent]

Yes, which is defined by money

[manic torrent]

Morals have always been expensive.

[neon mesa]

Livable wage in a lot of countries are actually only like $600 a month for a single person

It's only the US where you need exorbitantly high wage to live

[manic torrent]

What's wrong with a product from China?

[neon mesa]

And some other countries but US is a big example

[dreamy rose]

theres nothing about this that applies to Nvidia but yet here we are

[timid meadow]

Depends on the situation. I pay more for Plant Based jerky because it tastes good, not because i care about it being plant based. But i wouldnt buy a framework because the value add of morality isnt worth it in that scenario to me

[fluid ridge]

is it worth paying a higher price for something as intangible as ethics & morality though

[neon mesa]

It definitely applies to nvidia... Their cards are definitely of higher quality for non gamers

I personally bought 3060 after selling my 6600xt for machine learning

[manic torrent]

We all know you're a straight up sociopath

[fluid ridge]

[dreamy rose]

over a thousand dollars more expensive Higher quality?

[neon mesa]

The XTX is more expensive than 4080 right now....

[unkempt widget]

idk if you disagree with that usage of stakeholder, you should argue against cambridge, not against me

[summer folio]

It should be illegal for Land Lords to set their own rent. Rent should be decided by the Renters Union, like in Sweden.

[fluid ridge]

i refuse to pay for a more expensive thing over the exact same functional thing just because the more expensive thing was made in a better working environment

[neon mesa]

Their house their rules... Some landlord would rather just not rent it at that point

[fluid ridge]

i think the vast majority of the populus would agree with this

[manic torrent]

Do you know what a RACI matrix is? Consumers are lucky if they are informed, and they absolutely aren't any of the others.

[dreamy rose]

yeah but they then buy Nvidia.

[fluid ridge]

and i quite frankly think its common sense unless you're so loaded to the point that it doesnt matter/you dont care

[wispy marsh]

Unions across the world are "shadowbanned" by companies whose shareholders expect infinite growth.

[fluid ridge]

an argument could be made that nvidia is better in areas and vice versa

[manic torrent]

"I'm an asshole and I don't understand why other people aren't, because I'm a sociopath"

[dreamy rose]

sure. but they are really good in the area of Overcharging

[fluid ridge]

i think you're just out of touch

not everyone has the luxury of paying 35 dollars for a tshirt because it was made in america

[neon mesa]

More like i refuse to pay more just because it's manufactured in an overlyinflated living cost country @manic torrent

[fluid ridge]

™️

[manic torrent]

Lol, I mean, this is not a recent thing, this is for all of history

[wispy marsh]

The world has been this way for centuries. You cannot change the minds of those who own hundreds of billions and support infinite growth.

[manic torrent]

I have no issue with this.

[graceful burrow]

Hey real quick
Who the fuck is paying 35 bucks for a single t-shirt lmao

[summer folio]

No, a property owner of apartments can't decide it's own rent. In Sweden at least; Here the rent can't be higher than the average rent/Square Meter(/feet).

[wispy marsh]

Me, metallica and gamersnexus

[dreamy rose]

billionares

[fluid ridge]

exactly

[neon mesa]

Chinese manufacturing are cheap because living there is cheaper... Welll.. on top of the sweatshop conditions...

But at least minimum wage there you won't starve

Like minimum wage in the US

[unkempt widget]

idk man, i'm pretty sure consumers have interest in a company

[dreamy rose]

China is failing at Manufacturing. their chips have been rather Meh

[fluid ridge]

if given a choice:
30 dollar tshirt made in america, hand stitched, employees all get very good insurance, fair treatments, unions, wages

or

5 dollars for a tshirt made in the most deplorable working conditions on planet earth

[manic torrent]

China is not a sweatshop, it's a whole country

[neon mesa]

Most of the shit you use is from china

[wispy marsh]

I suppose if you have high social standing, you're good to go in china

[fluid ridge]

as harsh as it is, i can almost guarantee everyone who is not worth 3 trillion dollars will pick B

because that is what is happening right now lol

[wispy marsh]

I'll pick A

[manic torrent]

Nope. Not worth a damn.

[fluid ridge]

good for you

a better person than me 🫡

[wispy marsh]

Because I can afford it, but I don't have enough money to afford other morals

[neon mesa]

Option A except it's in china (yes there are good companies there) and it will only cost 10 bucks

[summer folio]

Bet!

"The most common rent in Sweden is so-called value rent. What is reasonable rent is determined through negotiations between the landlord and the tenants, usually the Tenants' Association("Union")

These are millions of tenements in the country that have utility rent. A general guideline is that this rent may deviate by 4–5 percent from the rent for an equivalent apartment, i.e. another older tenancy that has roughly the same characteristics, such as size, modernity and location."

[fluid ridge]

fair

[manic torrent]

..... You don't know shit. The critical thing is that the people buying are seperated from those conditions

[graceful burrow]

I buy da Walmart t-shirt for 7 bucks :)

[fluid ridge]

which comes from the shitty sweatshops in bangledesh

[graceful burrow]

Prove it

[fluid ridge]

obviously these people are sperated lol

[wispy marsh]

These are rare cases. Many a time it'll be dispersed before it even begin.

[unkempt widget]

wdym

[jaunty compass]

I'm not too good for clothes from a thrift store or good will
once i run it through the wash and drier you won't be able to tell it was someone elses

[manic torrent]

... so people are not making that decision. They cannot possibly make an informed decision

[jaunty compass]

[unkempt widget]

an objective of consumers would obv be lower prices

[wispy marsh]

Fast food consumers

[neon mesa]

Problem is people associate other countries low wage relative to their higher living cost when living cost there is so low their low wage actually reflects better living conditions

[thin vigil]

So many bad takes in here it's like I'm reading a transcript of the WAN show

[neon mesa]

This is where GDP using PPP nominal comes in

[fluid ridge]

look at the label on the shirt

[summer folio]

I just wear it as it is. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[unkempt widget]

gdp per capita is a bad measure of sol anyways

[dreamy rose]

hey. so is your store in New South Wales?

[neon mesa]

Countries where the PPP is 3x their GDP means their wage can afford 3x more shit than in the US

[fluid ridge]

i can guarantee it will not say "made in america" or "made in switzerland" or "made in (any first world country)" if you paid 7 bucks for it

[wispy marsh]

THIS is what I'm trying to explain to rempuh

[fluid ridge]

its walmart, not louis vuitton

[neon mesa]

Meaning people making 30k a year in that country is equivalent to 90k a year in the US

[jaunty compass]

well, america isn't a country so it definitely won't say that

[uncut axle]

Uhhh, I rather not say (it’s not money laundering or anything)

[unkempt widget]

most made in america furniture is made in prisons anyways using forced labour

[fluid ridge]

damn, not even america is safe

[manic torrent]

You mean slavery

[unkempt widget]

yes i do

[manic torrent]

I'm just being absolutely clear for those in the back

[unkempt widget]

it's slavery but under a mask of justification

[fluid ridge]

point is, if you dont break your wallet paying for something, it came from a shitty place

[manic torrent]

No, it's just slavery

[graceful burrow]

It sure doesn't say Bangladesh

[dreamy rose]

in the Macquarie centere?

[uncut axle]

Uhhh

[manic torrent]

Jfc you have the worst takes. If only there was a middle ground.

[fluid ridge]

how am i wrong

[wispy marsh]

It's a better life than people freezing to death on the streets, I believe. Other than the usual devastation that comes with being in prison

[fluid ridge]

this is basic reality

you are actually so out of touch its insane

you must have never looked at a "made in" label in your life

[wispy marsh]

Agree to disagree

[fluid ridge]

if you walk into any store, any online store, and they are selling an object or an item that is relatively cheap or that the price seems "normal" it came from a shitty dogwater sweatshop somewhere in the third world

[neon mesa]

It's always made in china, never see anything else 99% of the time
Probably occasional made in vietnam and in malaysia for the ryzen cpu

[fluid ridge]

or else they would not be selling at such insanely low prices

this is basic reality

this is not my opinion

[manic torrent]

.. better than freezing to death on the street is a.low bar

[uncut axle]

Hey, don’t tell the government anything about it, ok? But also don’t ask questions

[wispy marsh]

It's a very low bar, the prisons in america are mostly for the homeless, not for criminals

[uncut axle]

It’s just a dry cleaner business, that’s it

[summer folio]

Ikr? It's better if my electrician friend helps me with electricity & I cook him a great nutritional meal as return, than me Hiring an expensive electrician & he pays for trash healthwise fast-food. We also both get social+benifits from hanging out.

Yet, the better option for both him & me,
does not register at all for GDP.
GDP says nothing of value.

[graceful burrow]

I make all my own clothes and stuff I am full self sufficient :)

[dreamy rose]

dont worry. i'm only down for some Chicken

[manic torrent]

Because somewhere between "the worst slavery ever" and "happy shiny people" is the rest of everything

[fluid ridge]

an exception

[uncut axle]

💀💀

[graceful burrow]

Go away

[fluid ridge]

there is no in between

wel maybe there is

[neon mesa]

GDP using Purchasing Power Parity is the accurate way of measuring living conditions

[unkempt widget]

gdp does, just not in terms of your living standards

[wispy marsh]

That contradicted your entire argument

[fluid ridge]

perhaps your 4 dollar tshirt was made in a 2nd world sweatshop rather than a 3rd word sweatshop

[neon mesa]

This is what GDP PPP is for

GDP PPP is adjusted for living cost

[manic torrent]

Do you know what the single biggest thing influencing work conditions in china is/was?

[neon mesa]

That's why they're usually higher than GDP in third world countries

[fluid ridge]

i am not arguing anything

[wispy marsh]

No offense, but GDP-PPP sounds like a cpu ISA

[manic torrent]

Economics.

[fluid ridge]

i am stating the basic reality of how the world works

you buy cheap item because item was cheap to make

[manic torrent]

No, you are literally a sociopath.

[fluid ridge]

items made in first world, "good condition" countries are not cheap to make

[wispy marsh]

That in itself is an argument. Just that the reference for the argument is you and only you.

[neon mesa]

Some countries have PPP 4x their GDP
Meaning living cost there is 4x cheaper so even if their wage is 3x lower technically their living condition is still better

[fluid ridge]

this is high school economics

[manic torrent]

... exactly.

[wispy marsh]

Hey, that's Malaysia and our country!

[unkempt widget]

the 2nd world no longer exists, the west won the cold war

[manic torrent]

Maybe you should progress a little.

[fluid ridge]

which you are disagreeing with????

[manic torrent]

Because it's over simplistic and missing any nuan e that makes it even remotely useful?

[unkempt widget]

life isn't black and white lmao

[fluid ridge]

i would argue there are countries still 2nd world

definitely more third world

[summer folio]

A RTX 4090 is 6 gaziljons no matter where you live tho, doesn't change with income location so...

[wispy marsh]

[neon mesa]

We associate good condition humane workplace with first world wages when you can achieve the same in another country eith 4x less

[thin vigil]

Then you don't know the origin/meaning of the term

[neon mesa]

A 4090 is not a basic human need

Even in america very little have those

[unkempt widget]

what's the definition of 2nd and 1st world... remind me

[wispy marsh]

I do. It means Gielinor, right? Great place for god wars.

[neon mesa]

2nd world is deprecated after the end of the cold war

[summer folio]

Speak for yourself./s

[wispy marsh]

In all seriousness

[fluid ridge]

third world, second world, first world in the modern definition is a classification of countries depending on their living conditions, economic prosperity, etc.

[unkempt widget]

(spoilers, it has nothing to do with wealth)

[unkempt widget]

nope

[summer folio]

LTT

[uncut axle]

Hey, it’s fine as long as you don’t look in the back, alright?

[graceful burrow]

Star is right

[neon mesa]

Wrong... They're used for factions
First is west alligned, Second is USSR affiliated, Third is non-alligned

[fluid ridge]

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/first-world.asp

[wispy marsh]

There is no moderate because there is no middle.

This is what you'll see when you think of left thoughts, it is not untrue but it is extremely binary.

[dreamy rose]

ah don't be scared i'm gusst a customer

[wispy marsh]

You guys wanna continue?

[summer folio]

1st world is free health care & University.
So USA is 3rd, 2nd world tops.

[neon mesa]

After the cold war second world is no longer used as the USSR go kapoot
However third world somehow got twisted

[thin vigil]

did you even read the link you shared...

[uncut axle]

Alright, I will keep a eye out…

[fluid ridge]

i read the google snippet that said "a first world country is one of prosperity, yada yada yada" that came with the link

[wispy marsh]

I think that's enough. Those who want mods to purge, keep your silence.

[fluid ridge]

im on break right now so i dont have mich time

[wispy marsh]

<@&750150305383186585>s

[manic torrent]

This is the energy you bring to everything

[dreamy rose]

no

[fluid ridge]

🤷

[dreamy rose]

i am running away now

[summer folio]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-thats-like-your-opinion-man-gif-15076479

[wispy marsh]

[thin vigil]

So no then.

What defines a first world country?
There is no universal way to define a first world country.

[wispy marsh]

Oh fuck

[fluid ridge]

then we're all wrong lmfao

[unkempt widget]

by definition, switzerland is a third world country

[fluid ridge]

thats tough

[wispy marsh]

Momo can't purge because she's winning in apex

[graceful burrow]

BASED

[fluid ridge]

Third World
/ˌTHərd ˈwər(ə)ld/
Learn to pronounce
noun
old-fashioned term for the developing countries of Asia, Africa, and Latin America.
"levels of literacy have risen in the Third World

[thin vigil]

There was a definition of 2nd world though.

[fluid ridge]

i gotta go in a bit

[unkempt widget]

bruh it literally means neutral in the cold war

[fluid ridge]

not what oxford dictionary says

[manic torrent]

Someone come and install the mobo in my server for me

[fluid ridge]

regardless, arguing over these semantics is pointless

[gilded quest]

Whatcha buildin'?

[wispy marsh]

It's a great chance for your kid to learn about pc! /jk

[manic torrent]

He was sad when I put the glass side on, because he can't shove his finger in the fan

[uncut axle]

💀💀

[wispy marsh]

Also, you just doxxed yourself.

[manic torrent]

Just replacement motherboard. Someone spilled coffee on it and it hard locks sometiems

[manic torrent]

For the 17 millionth time

[wispy marsh]

I like your name.

[manic torrent]

It's extremely.... White.

[fluid ridge]

my original point remains true, what i said is a basic reality that any person who challenged it has yet to dispute with any evidence, and as such i need to get back to work 🫡 send a dm if anyone has anything more to say

[wispy marsh]

It reminds me of the actor who played Bing, Matthew Perry.

[fluid ridge]

can you send me a dm

i really need to go

[manic torrent]

Once again, this is because you are a literal sociopath

[fluid ridge]

but i am alsp very interested in continuing this coversation

[wispy marsh]

Oh, shit. I just revealed my age

[fluid ridge]

bob, not everyone who disagrees with you is mentally ill

[manic torrent]

No, but you are.

[fluid ridge]

you have been shitting on my argument saying it lacks nuance but you have yet to provide any evidence

literally "you're wrong, but i wont elaborate"

ok im out

[manic torrent]

Your contention is that people don't care at all about other people and only do things in their own interest.

That's literally what being a sociopath is.

[wispy marsh]

Take your pissing contest elsewhere

[graceful burrow]

Thank GOD

[manic torrent]

My son just bought me a squashed bug. That bug has more value than this argument.

[thin vigil]

bought or brought?

[graceful burrow]

Both based

[thin vigil]

well if he bought it, it has an assigned value - I'm curious as to what that was

[wispy marsh]

I remember theres a few 3d movies about bugs

Bee, bug's life, antz

I guarantee you you'll have an infestation after watching those

[manic torrent]

I mean, I can't be sure. But he acquired it, and then presented it to me.

[graceful burrow]

Did you take it and thank him

[manic torrent]

Obviously. That's my job.

[graceful burrow]

[thin vigil]

back to the reddit shitshow, seems the leaker wised up and has started deleting his comments

[jaunty compass]

those microdrives are adorable

what was leaked?

[jaunty compass]

what was leaked?

[dreamy rose]

true

[dreamy rose]

afaik some Douche Canoe mad about Madison leaving

[jaunty compass]

oh I thought some new product got leaked or something

[manic torrent]

... about a zillion years ago?

[dreamy rose]

idk. i cant care for it and that's all i'm seeing

[thin vigil]

someone leaked a recording of an internal meeting about HR related feedback and rumours, supposedly in reference to Maddison

[dreamy rose]

yeah she left ages ago but i have no idea how it relates

[jaunty compass]

I see

And I assume it was leaked by either a hacker or LMG employee

[plush rivet]

Madison doesn’t work there anymore? What?

I had no clue she doesn’t

[thin vigil]

tbh (tin foil hat time) it feels like a coordinated attack

[jaunty compass]

she hasn't for a while i think

[manic torrent]

Many many times ago

[plush rivet]

Whattt

[jaunty compass]

yeah she left a while ago

[plush rivet]

I have no idea, why’d she leave?

[thin vigil]

over a year I think

[manic torrent]

It's quite possible.

[plush rivet]

Or was she fired

[jaunty compass]

I believe she resigned

[manic torrent]

It didn't work out. For reasons.

[plush rivet]

Ah

[novel tendon]

I am back

The arch nemesis

[plush rivet]

She was so cool too i remember the 1 tech news she did got the most views on that video

[thin vigil]

she made some vague comments about [censored] harassment on twitter, deleted them and then quit

[jaunty compass]

I had no idea about that part

[novel tendon]

Who is maddison

[plush rivet]

No clue about that either

[thin vigil]

if she had a case we'd have heard much more about it

[jaunty compass]

former LMG social media coordinator

[plush rivet]

She was a ROG winner who was later hired for LTT, she was extremely popular with the company

[novel tendon]

Why do we care about her

[jaunty compass]

she was in a ROG rig reboot and people liked her a lot when she was in videos

[plush rivet]

Next to Linus she was one of the most known workers there

like EVERYONE knows who she is

[thin vigil]

also polarising, for all her fans she had plenty of haters too

[novel tendon]

Hm

[plush rivet]

I’d be curious on what is there to hate

[novel tendon]

I haven't even heard her name

[plush rivet]

I haven’t seen or heard anything bad about her

[jaunty compass]

some zoomer humor

some people don't like zoomer humor

[plush rivet]

That’s just old heads complaining tbh

[novel tendon]

Anyways

[unkempt widget]

it's madison with 1 d

[jaunty compass]

random question
has anyone played this game called
veloren

[plush rivet]

I thought she was funny

[novel tendon]

Any thoughts on OCPC PISTA DDR5 Ram?

It's wayyyyy cheaper than any other ram in my country

It's like 100$ for 2x8gb CL36 5200

[thin vigil]

Never heard of it

[unkempt widget]

i'm not gonna finish the sentence because the reference will fly over people's head

[novel tendon]

Hm
Should I be concerned?

[jaunty compass]

Ram tends to be ram

[plush rivet]

^

[jaunty compass]

it will almost certainly work and be fine

ram isn't exactly the most ultra complex thing for some rando company to make usable sticks of
most chips are from a handful of vendors and everyone just sources those and solders them onto a standard type of pcb

it's probably fine

[novel tendon]

It's dual rank and its 36-38-38-76

[dreamy rose]

you say it as if there isnt ways to fuck it up

[novel tendon]

I probably can overclock it a little bit but out of the box that seems fine

[jaunty compass]

I mean

I've bought weird no name ebay ram modules and all of them have worked just fine

it's pretty hard to fuck up ram

at least when it comes to basic functionality

[novel tendon]

I mean

It's 5200
Worst comes to worse
I just run it at 4800

At has rgb and all that

[thin vigil]

how much are you saving?

[novel tendon]

Okay so
This is the only 16gb kit available in my country
There are 32gb kits for 200$

[manic torrent]

Also she's a woman. Some people just love to hate women.

[novel tendon]

Nah
Much more people hate men because they are man than people hate women because they are woman

[stray epoch]

can anyone help me overclock my 10850k, i have a corsair h100i aio aswell

[manic torrent]

.... What?

[dreamy rose]

what they are saying is that feminism is more visible than incels

[polar fern]

Gold controller

[dreamy rose]

Awful taste but great Excecution

[polar fern]

It was supposed to be a funny screen capture but yeah workplace harassment of anyone for any reason is never okay

Oh also automotive parts are ridiculously expensive

[manic torrent]

Yeah I've certainly never seen a woman attacked on the internet.

[polar fern]

Sounds made up

Probably overreacting

They should just go along with it

Learn to smile, more and stuff

😬

[stray epoch]

any godly overclockers in this chat

[manic torrent]

I just want to be absolutely clear that this is an irrelevant garbage take, and even if it was correct is stupid, because the "amount" of people is not really the be all and end all, and it isn't a comparison.

[dreamy rose]

i've seen children get attacked on the internet because they drew their fictional animal with traits that people want money for.

[polar fern]

Wat?

[manic torrent]

..... This seems like a whole other thing...

[unkempt widget]

which isn't true

[polar fern]

Feminism is not men being stalked/endangered/harassed, just fyi

Being butthurt because a girl doesn’t like you is not the same as ensuring women and girls have equal rights equal opportunities & are treated with dignity.

do you want to know why there are disproportionately fewer women and girls in tech and other industries? One huge reason is because who would want to work in a place where you’re the only woman at a company etc full of a bunch of guys uninterested in you on a professional level?

Yeah that’s a stupid topic let’s instead talk about graphics cards. 🤦‍♂️

[dreamy rose]

how about Deep Dive VR?

what i've been waiting to add to the conversation for a while. my opinion on Deep Dive. not doing it. unless i can effectively delete my physical existence and live on a server. go into any VR Experience i want and not deal with being a physical person.

[polar fern]

I don’t think we are there yet from a biological medical and ethical framework standpoint

[dreamy rose]

it'd be better than hackers overloading the Twitter chips in your brain

[polar fern]

If we can figure out the ethics of it, and use that as a foundation, and then figure out how to do the biological medical aspect of it, then there might be a path

I don’t use Twitter tho

[dreamy rose]

Contributing to the meme where everything Musk owns in now twitterified. Tesla? Twittermobile. SpaceX? Twitterrocket

[polar fern]

What are you talking about is probably 30 to 40 years away from a technological standpoint at the very least

Oh, I don’t follow any of that

[dreamy rose]

i dont think many people are actually saying it anyway

[thin vigil]

tesla and spacex somehow seem to isolate themselves from Elon's shenanigans quite well

[polar fern]

Tesla owners would probably disagree with you there

[dreamy rose]

but yeah. if you think about it. in that plane of existence, any Console would be an Emulator. and the ROMs would be like physical games to you.

[polar fern]

Yeah I know, I understand what you’re saying

And it is definitely not something we could do currently especially on a commercial scale

[thin vigil]

I mean from a PR viewpoint, I don't see anyone in the market for an EV deciding not to buy a Tesla because of the shit he's spouting on twitter

[dreamy rose]

i'd love to get benefits of emulation and benefits of real hardware

[polar fern]

Why would anyone buy some thing that has all kinds of quality control issues when they can go to the Honda dealer and buy an EV

[thin vigil]

image

[polar fern]

Yeah there are a lot of different kinds of apps to explore with such a situation, but really the technology just is not there and probably won’t be in our lifetimes

[thin vigil]

Why would anyone buy a Tommy Hilfinger gaming keyboard and mouse?

[dreamy rose]

what will make me buy is if they made a modernized Stratos design and added Proximity chat with other tesla owners

[polar fern]

Tesla used to be about status and now there are tons of other manufacturers which have a bunch of different EV options. Between that and his behaviour. I don’t see a very good future for that car company.

Is there a batteries are terrible, they’re build quality is terrible. Their customer service is terrible and you have to take it back to one of a limited number of dealers for service.

[jaunty compass]

does linus still have the gold controller or was it melted down?

[polar fern]

Any number of these things have killed off much more substantial and successful car companies and brands in the past

They’re trying to find something to do with it, I believe

[thin vigil]

still has it I believe

[jaunty compass]

based

rookie mistake, he didn't use a controller with hall sticks

[dreamy rose]

what does edible gold even taste like?

[thin vigil]

nothing

[jaunty compass]

he better upgrade it to hall sticks or that is an $87k paperweight

[polar fern]

When you combine poor quality, poor customer service, a mediocre product and the head of a company that is ethically questionable at best is not a recipe for that company to continue having any type of real success long-term.

[dreamy rose]

Sticks are sticks

[jaunty compass]

since when

you're objectively wrong

[polar fern]

People have used gold for replacement dental crowns for a very long time if gold had a taste to it that would be a huge problem

[thin vigil]

that just isn't true unfortunately

[jaunty compass]

there are huge differences between potentiometer sticks and hall sticks

in particular, reliability and precision

[polar fern]

Well, it is true, just a look at the last 120 years

[thin vigil]

EA

Activision
Murdocks news empire

[dreamy rose]

Epic games

[polar fern]

I mean, heck hundred years ago, there were like 60 different automotive manufacturers

Yes, there has been consolidation, but there has also been a lot of attrition

[thin vigil]

hell, Trump was made president and he had all of your listed qualities

[polar fern]

And I mean some of these companies were incredibly successful up until they weren’t

Let’s not go there

Look at Pullman or Budd. They made some of the best rail equipment of all time and neither of them exist anymore.

Look at Alco. Gone.

Baldwin? Gone.

It doesn’t even need to be poor management or any of those things. It could just be bad timing.

And I think what has happened with Tesla is that they were so expensive for so long with such poor quality and poor customer service that the behaviour of its ceo is now going to act as a brake on its success at the very least

[night heron]

hamburger cheeseburger bigmac whopper

[full fossil]

I slept for 12h OwO

[polar fern]

Why would anyone shell out $70,000 for a cringe EV when they can get one for $35,000 and it’s just like any other car on the road without any controversy linked to it or difficulties in getting the vehicle serviced?

[thin vigil]

That can't be answered rationally

[jaunty compass]

actually, it can

brand recognition

it's the tesla they're the electric cars; at least to people who don't really know anything about electric cars

most people don't look too deeply into the cars they "buy" oddly enough

[dreamy rose]

if i can talk a rich mofo into building me my dream car then i'm for sure gonna pay up

[thin vigil]

I was trying to answer from the viewpoint of those buying them lol they don't need to rationalise if they've got the money

[polar fern]

Do you even understand how many Toyota dealers there are in North America? Why the hell would I buy a Tesla with all of the issues that the company has not just buy a Toyota EV and go to one of like seven dealers in the area to get it serviced

Yes, because everyone is going to pay money for a dream car and not just a box to get them around

[manic torrent]

... yes, this is logical. .... That's not how people do.

[thin vigil]

Buying a car in most cases is an emotional purchase, it rarely comes down to what is logical

[manic torrent]

Also, this wasn't always the case. Tesla blazed the trail, and others have followed.

[polar fern]

Electric vehicles, both battery and overhead line powered, are the future. I have been saying this for years and finally here we are. The company that has the most compelling product is going to win the future of EV.

Tesla absolutely did not blaze anything

[dreamy rose]

they also sued and lost that one time

[polar fern]

Electric cars have been around for over 150 years

[thin vigil]

For example, I had a bad experience with KIA - I'll never touch one again regardless of any positive press they get

[manic torrent]

And yet.....

[golden talon]

you’ll never see me in a tesla, ever

terrible cars

[dreamy rose]

Kia Boyz?

[polar fern]

Every Tesla I have ever seen parked or on the road have had uneven panel gaps all over it

[manic torrent]

The thing is, you are entirely focusing on engineering and build quality, and not availability, timing, marketing, market placement, forcing changes in market conditions.

[golden talon]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=3daQ2HSg5pg&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE

[thin vigil]

nah, my experience was about 6 years ago

[golden talon]

$140K just for the car to be falling apart from day 1

[polar fern]

Mhm

[golden talon]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/16/business/tesla-fsd-recall/index.html

this too is also a joke

[manic torrent]

There is a lot of complexities to the car market - now I'm not suggesting you should buy a Tesla in 2023, but it made a lot more sense in times gone by

[polar fern]

I do know several people who own a Tesla and they only bought it because they wanted to reduce the carbon footprint. Not because of the status. They have had very poor experiences so it’s not just my opinion here

[thin vigil]

My only experience with tesla's was as a taxi, every car sat outside the airport in Amsterdam was a tesla back in ~2015

[manic torrent]

Tesla forced the hand of the rest of the industry.

[golden talon]

and that’s all they’ve don

[polar fern]

I am going to say the fossil fuel use regulations and climate change has done that not Tesla

[golden talon]

i’ve yet to see a good car come out from their factories

[manic torrent]

They have done lots of other stuff, but they are not a car company. They are a technology company

Tesla cars are basically a proof of concept

[golden talon]

if you count the solar panels and battery stuff

[manic torrent]

Which is like.... The reason d'etre

[dreamy rose]

does this fucker have a Bitcoin vanity plate?

[polar fern]

These technologies have been under development by General Motors, Fiat Chrysler, and other large, international vehicle, producers for decades. It only makes sense now to push forward with this, because of the realities of the world that we live in.

[golden talon]

but i’m a car enthusiast so i only look at the car and what it has to offer, nothing else

[manic torrent]

Except you're talking about the business.

[golden talon]

i have nothing against EVs. they’re great for commuting and getting from point A to point B but tesla has gone all wrong

[polar fern]

And there have been other electric car companies

Arent most vehicles used to get from one place to another?

[manic torrent]

None as successful. To say Tesla didn't affect the car market is ridiculous.

[jaunty compass]

are there any non steam games worth playing on the deck?

[golden talon]

getting from one place to another in a medium that can be pleasureable makes all the difference

[polar fern]

Oh yeah, they affect the car industry by showing what not to do

[dreamy rose]

Acceleration is another W too, but nobody is using it like that

[vital niche]

killing drivers is ONE way to affect car market

[golden talon]

a car enthusiast drives for the sake of driving. a normal guy drives for the sake of getting to a destination.

[polar fern]

Imagine travel being pleasurable as a metric

[manic torrent]

.... Dude, get over yourself.

[vital niche]

By a fucking software update @manic torrent

[polar fern]

Over myself?

[manic torrent]

It literally is

[golden talon]

that’s the only performance metric that tesla has up its sleeve

[unkempt widget]

i don't really like tesla tbh

[polar fern]

The only pleasure I get and travel is to be able to get where I’m going safely

[golden talon]

that’s fine

[vital niche]

I bet someone fucked in a tesla while drivin g

[jaunty compass]

Can't wait for self driving cars to be the norm tbh
I trust an AI to drive more than most people in my area

[vital niche]

they should win a Darwin award

[manic torrent]

Yes, that's great, but you have to realise most people aren't you.

[golden talon]

there are millions of people that find pleasure in the act of driving

[unkempt widget]

they should try figure out a way to sell cara that don't explode

[polar fern]

it shouldnt be fine, it should be the gold standard. If you can’t get there safely, you shouldn’t go at all

[vital niche]

every car has to be AI for that to happen ya DIP

[polar fern]

@manic torrent no shit

[golden talon]

that’s the entire point of track driving, it’s just driving around in circles then is that useless

[vital niche]

Also, cameras on the car. privacy issue much?

[jaunty compass]

I trust an AI way more than most drivers in my area deadass

[dreamy rose]

thats how you know people are dogshit at driving

[vital niche]

r/fuckcars

[manic torrent]

That's a seperate issue tbh, and is across the board with all manufacturers.

[jaunty compass]

To pass the drivers test where I live and get a license, you don't even need to know how to parallel park

[vital niche]

but yeah Elon going Camera only was big dumb

[polar fern]

And since the beginning of the pandemic, I am going to say that people’s ability to drive has either decreased because of Covid infection affecting their cognitive and awareness and spatial orientation capabilities, or folks are just super stressed out, or a combination of both

[manic torrent]

Oh, absolutely agree. The relevance of Tesla was really years ago.

[vital niche]

maintained/given

[golden talon]

what kind of evidence do you have for this lol

if anything i’d say driving has gotten much better since covid

[manic torrent]

Dude. This literally affects everything. This is why supply chains are still fucked.

[polar fern]

In the two years I ran errands for my girlfriend in her car before the pandemic. I think there was a total of 20 incidents where I had to slam on the brakes or honk the horn. Since February 2020, there have probably been about 200 such incidents.

Yes

[manic torrent]

That would be extremely localized, and not indicative of the wider trends

[polar fern]

People will just literally pull out in front of you every time I go out to do an errand literally every single time

[golden talon]

exactly there is no evidence to suggest either argument

[thin vigil]

Sounds like you're driving too close to those in front of you

[jaunty compass]

both, also because people stopped driving for months since they weren't allowed to go anywhere

[polar fern]

There is actually a ton of evidence to suggest, not even suggest, but there is proof of cognitive decline in people who have had Covid, even asymptomatic

Yeah, but that was in 2020 it’s 2023 now what’s the excuse?

[golden talon]

so you’re saying that cognitive decline after covid is causing drivers to cut up traffic?

[polar fern]

I tend to like to do things like get gas for her car in the middle of the night when there is like four other cars out on the road

I am saying that it’s definitely playing a role absolutely

[jaunty compass]

I wouldn't say it's cognitive decline, I'd say a more likely culprit would be that people drove way less for like 2 years

[vital niche]

way to sound like an antimasker, and they have some relevance

[manic torrent]

I mean, objectively people are sicker/ stopped driving for a while.

[vital niche]

for example maskwearing alone in a car is useless

[polar fern]

Spatial cognition, as in the process of your brain tells you, where are you are, where are you came from and where you’re going Is definitely affected by Covid.

[jaunty compass]

I didn't wear a mask in my car because I never drove with anyone else

[vital niche]

finds my way out of an IKEA

[ebon otter]

anyone know some really good noice cancciling bluetooth headphoines

[normal cargo]

Are you seriously suggesting the covid has decreased people level of driving ?

[jaunty compass]

I got covid because my parents brought it into the house

I avoided it for like a year and a half and those fuckers just brought it in

[manic torrent]

To the point where it's not really debatable, it's observed fact.

[polar fern]

Oh, when I go out, I put all my PPE before I leave the door and I don’t take it off until I come back inside. Air moves & carries shit from far ass distances

[vital niche]

https://metadox.pro/

@ebon otter MetaDox, so ppl cant hear u shout at 14 yr olds in FortNite

[vital niche]

it's funny because the viral load argument didnt come into play until well after vaccines were accepted

Viral load still comes into play and it's hilarious that it's not considered when masking uselessly

[polar fern]

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fbuil.2021.666923/full

[vital niche]

because we can agree that masking can be useless or stupid in some scenarios

otherwise u havent learned anything from the past 3 years

[polar fern]

I tend to stay home and not go around people so

[jaunty compass]

same

[vital niche]

I remember being on a Corona discord

obsessing over numbers in neighboring states

I dont do that anymore bc the pandemic IS OVER

[manic torrent]

Yes, but most people do not have the ability to discern what those scenarios are.

[polar fern]

I mean this virus basically completely put a stop to everything that I’ve done that involves going places. I very much minimise that.

[vital niche]

WHICH is why masking by nurses is the only sensible one

[jaunty compass]

I mostly stayed inside because of one big sticking point

I need glasses, and wearing a mask with glasses tends to end poorly when it comes to vision

[manic torrent]

If only viruses listened to media

[vital niche]

you mean the LAWS stop u

[polar fern]

Eh?

[jaunty compass]

and I wasn't going to put myself or other people in unnecessary danger just because I didn't want my glasses to be foggy

[polar fern]

Laws?

[manic torrent]

And not.... Doctors or admins or people in hospital or fuckin ....

[vital niche]

@polar fern listen man, I was a masker in the beginning

[polar fern]

I am sorry I don’t care what you have to say

[vital niche]

but I got tired and Im sure ppl are too

[polar fern]

I don’t care

[jaunty compass]

average transitbiker statement

[polar fern]

Hey, I’m just being honest

[vital niche]

listen, asymptomatic spread was a risk before the vaxx

NOW you can get it and save urself. DONE DEAL

[manic torrent]

if you're talking about surgical masks - yeah sure, the science is in, they are not hugely useful. an N95 or an N99 mask is extremely useful

[vital niche]

but watch the everyday user spend that money @manic torrent

[manic torrent]

.... that doesn't change how much they work.

[vital niche]

yeah I didnt think so. They are goitering and cloth masking

[polar fern]

I used to wear a regular L3 style mask during cold and flu season ever since I started seeing my girlfriend several years ago because she has kids and I always tried to keep exposing them to stuff at a minimum

[vital niche]

Sure but this is asymptom spread

not mucus slinging

[manic torrent]

Every time you get covid, you're rolling the dice. It might be asymptomatic, you might get permanent/long term effects (10-20%), you might die (much lower liklihood)

but EVERY time you go to a hospital you will be impacted by covid no matter what you do.

[vital niche]

The ppl on the Right keep making sense

tho

[manic torrent]

do they? do they really?

[polar fern]

Say what you need to say to make yourself feel comfortable, but the reality of the fact is that this pandemic is not over - cloth masks do you not work - and this virus is basically a biological wrecking ball that people need to take seriously & avoid

[manic torrent]

"what if we just let all those disabled people die, becuase we don't give a shit about them"

[vital niche]

Look at the Ohio coverup @manic torrent

[manic torrent]

wtf does that have to do with this? That whole thing is horrible..... and entirely predictable

[vital niche]

Im not saying it's planned but check out the political alignment chart of Ohio

[manic torrent]

irrelevant

[vital niche]

sure they do align and it's convenient

[polar fern]

I did not have being gaslit in the LTT discord about Covid on my 2023 “what the fuck else will happen?!” bingo card

[vital niche]

but yeah like Mmmmmm vaccines get a burger get jabbed

[manic torrent]

all sides of mainstream politics are anti-worker and pro-capitalism

[vital niche]

well you have to get jabbed up to date to get a job now

[normal cargo]

What have I just walked into

[vital niche]

even though the virus has been through SEVERAL mutations