public-chat

[winter spindle]

No

[rugged bridge]

nah spend 150usd on a tommy hilfiger keyboard

[unkempt widget]

that's way too much imo when you can go for a different aesthetic that isn't shit brown

[winter spindle]

Lol

[unkempt widget]

but i see why you can do it to impress people

[night heron]

no i was asking if it takes you personally three days to paint a case

[unkempt widget]

imagine posting your shit brown pc to #1019713714968088586

[wind pulsar]

Because so far there's only the 4070Ti, 4080 and 4090, which aren't even close to the majority of consumers

Also because Ada and RDNA3 kinda sugg tbh

[night heron]

because i could do it in a few hours

[unkempt widget]

yeah but you want it to be good don't you? also i don't paint at all

[ruby venture]

Like too expensive?

[winter spindle]

Yes

[wind pulsar]

Yeaaah

[ruby venture]

O

[night heron]

yeah itd be good

[wind pulsar]

'too expensive' is an understatement

[slate tulip]

If it makes someone happy, why be upset about it? Someone else’s favorite color didn’t harm you

[winter spindle]

$1200 for a 4080

[ruby venture]

I got a good deal on mine , €1100

[unkempt widget]

i'm not unhappy

[winter spindle]

That’s as much as a great pc

[wind pulsar]

They knew exactly what would happen when they set the MSRP to $1,500 on the 4090 and people are not happy

[pliant karma]

@ruby venture my keyboard atm. Keychron V1 but I’m getting a Q1 cause metal…I like cold metal vs plastic

[unkempt widget]

i feel like that would be cool as fuck to post a shit brown pc to #1019713714968088586

[slate tulip]

Oh good. My work here is done

[winter spindle]

Isn’t it $1600

[unkempt widget]

holy shit

[wind pulsar]

Yeah, whatever

[ruby venture]

They look soft

[unkempt widget]

please tell me you did the shit brown theme for your computer

[rugged bridge]

thats a nice keyboard

[slate tulip]

Personally, I’m not a fan of the brown - but i don’t build my computers to be pretty

[winter spindle]

100 dollars is a lot

[unkempt widget]

you're missing out

[pliant karma]

No but you for my mind thinking for my next build

[ruby venture]

I was about to get the 4090

[slate tulip]

Not really

[wind pulsar]

Not if we're talking 4090, the point still stands

[lament willow]

it’s just cool to see a modernized landline

[winter spindle]

Ok anime guy

[lament willow]

most of the ones I see are still uncoloured ones

[pliant karma]

All Noctua theme itx build I can make it work

[wind pulsar]

Not a guy, thank you, weird primate (or whatever the fuck this is supposed to be) guy

[unkempt widget]

why itx

[rugged bridge]

it sadly only works on my 3cx system i dont have a public number

[lament willow]

oof

[unkempt widget]

itx is ew

[rugged bridge]

also i think its like a decade old

[winter spindle]

Because

[ruby venture]

Will I notice the difference from a 10gb 3080 lhr vs a 16gb 4080

[winter spindle]

Big=bad

[unkempt widget]

2 sticks of ram

[pliant karma]

Something new to try I’m getting tired of atx and want a pc I can take with me if I travel

[unkempt widget]

2 m.2 slots

[winter spindle]

That’s fine

[pliant karma]

^

[winter spindle]

Literally fine

[unkempt widget]

get a laptop instead lmao

[wind pulsar]

99% of times you're better off with two sticks anyway

[pliant karma]

Been moving to all m.2 on my end so I can work with this lol

[unkempt widget]

yeah but there's a mental stability that comes into your mind when you don't have all of them full

[winter spindle]

I have an m.2 and an external one touch ssd

[unkempt widget]

anyways i don't get to talk about this because the guy who built my pc gave me 1 stick of 32

[ruby venture]

Akira is giving everyone criticism

[wind pulsar]

Yeah, don't start saying nonsense, lol

[unkempt widget]

i can't be the only one who feels stressed when i fill out all the slots right

[winter spindle]

They only have 2 slots

[wind pulsar]

At least I have never met anyone except you that does

[unkempt widget]

atx boards have 4, so you could leave 2 empty

[pliant karma]

Nice atm 2 nvme, 2 sata ssd and single hdd I double sided taped to my case

[ruby venture]

I think my new one have 7

[winter spindle]

? More ram is not better

[pliant karma]

That hdd is not coming out I’ll tell ya that

[unkempt widget]

leaving 2 empty makes me feel better

[winter spindle]

Nice

[unkempt widget]

so apparently nobody thinks that way ok

[winter spindle]

Ok I guess

[ruby venture]

Wait can I just have m.2 or do I need a hdd

[winter spindle]

You can have a m.2

You don’t need hdd

They are good for bulk storage though because they are cheap

[slate tulip]

Nah. I have 1 nvme and 3x2TB SSDs

[ruby venture]

I got a 2tb m.2 7000mbs or something

[pliant karma]

Some like it I prefer to have less drives and make a NAS. Kinda like Linus if you need more then a few drives then that is an option

[ruby venture]

I thinks it’s fast

[slate tulip]

If you need more more than that, build a NAS or a SAN

[unkempt widget]

sabrent rocket plus 8tb

their target market is for people who also buy houses

[ruby venture]

Wait is 7000 fast for storage?

[winter spindle]

Extremely

[unkempt widget]

yeah it is

[pliant karma]

2 nvmes + NAS works. I just need to figure out the NAS part but it’ll take shape some day

[ruby venture]

Oh I got a steal then

[winter spindle]

What ssd is that

[gaunt hawk]

How does nvidia justify selling a gpu for 2.5k?

[slate tulip]

I’m a big fan of ceph if you have the hardware

[unkempt widget]

they're not

[graceful burrow]

"fuck em they'll buy anything"

[indigo plume]

is windows 11 better now ?

[ruby venture]

Kingston KC3000 M.2 2280 TLC NVMe

[graceful burrow]

Yes

[slate tulip]

I like it

[indigo plume]

is it worth upgrading too

[unkempt widget]

yeah

[graceful burrow]

I thoroughly enjoy 11

[winter spindle]

How much $

[unkempt widget]

it's free

[graceful burrow]

I use 10 on my laptop and hate it

[pliant karma]

Perhaps I have a lot of spare hardware so I can Frankenstein something up in my office

[gaunt hawk]

?

[ruby venture]

150

[unkempt widget]

if your windows 10 is activated

[winter spindle]

Pretty good

[indigo plume]

okay cuz I thought windows 11 was still buggy

[winter spindle]

Yeah

[gaunt hawk]

Are those gpus at least failing to sell?

[indigo plume]

so I didnt upgrade my windowsa

[unkempt widget]

4090 has msrp of 1600, now the price is 1700

[slate tulip]

It’s pretty awesome. Like ZFS, but on steroids

[winter spindle]

Nah it’s good

[gaunt hawk]

Where i live a 4090 is 2.5k

[graceful burrow]

Nothing nvidia is making is failing to sell, unfortunately

[indigo plume]

okay

[ruby venture]

I can get for 1400

[hearty spear]

They fixed the buggy within like 3 months of launch

[indigo plume]

im sad

I need to buy new case

my case is too small and is over heating my gpu

[pliant karma]

People who have the income to upgrade every generation will upgrade 🙂

[unkempt widget]

bro there's a an rog shop next to me that has 3 4090s and 4080s just sitting there

[ruby venture]

I had the same issue? My gpu wouldn’t fit jn

[gaunt hawk]

Sad

[hearty spear]

Why sad? Buy a good one

[indigo plume]

cuz its like 1/4 inch from side panel

[unkempt widget]

it's been there since last month

[indigo plume]

so its over heating

it wouldnt fit normally

[night heron]

pilot chat is really cool

[indigo plume]

so I had to mount vertically

but its too close to side panel

[slate tulip]

You don’t use radios anymore?

[ruby venture]

Take glass off

[graceful burrow]

I never said they were flying off the shelves

[indigo plume]

I have to take off side panel for it to not over heat

[pliant karma]

And that’s my queue to go back thank you 🙂

[ruby venture]

Just do that

[unkempt widget]

it's been there since last month when i checked

[indigo plume]

but then a bunch of dust and shit will get into it

[unkempt widget]

they're the exact same ones

[ruby venture]

So clean it

[graceful burrow]

That doesn't mean the cards aren't selling as a whole
3 cards ain't much in the grand scheme of things lmao

[indigo plume]

I dont want to have to clean it like onece every 2 weeks

[ruby venture]

And it could be a bad store

[unkempt widget]

that shop's like the only place that sells this high tiered gpus in the area

[indigo plume]

rather just get a better case

prob will get corsair 5000d airflow

[graceful burrow]

I don't see how that changes anything kek

[ruby venture]

Y’all are lucky we don’t have any of those shops here I have to order everything, and takes 2 weeks to come in

[gaunt hawk]

Gpus are a fucking joke…. Just found out the rog 4090 sells for 3.6k

[unkempt widget]

what

[graceful burrow]

I ain't got shit here chief

[unkempt widget]

where do you even live, and do you convert currency?

[gaunt hawk]

Europe

[gaunt hawk]

Euro

[graceful burrow]

Europe is pretty big my guy

[unkempt widget]

europe where

[graceful burrow]

With many different markets

[gaunt hawk]

Austria

[unkempt widget]

holy shit it's noctua land

[indigo plume]

https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6_1937&item_id=215851 I want this case but its never in stock

[ruby venture]

I can get rog strix for 1900

[slate tulip]

Oooh, that’s pretty

[gaunt hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/249111029668249601/1066163631856828556/IMG_0695.jpg

[unkempt widget]

why don't people just get smth like pny, is there a diffference

[gaunt hawk]

HOW

[unkempt widget]

what

[ruby venture]

Idk really, a 4090 is a 4090 to me but I do think rog is the best one

[gaunt hawk]

This is what the rog 4090 costs here

[graceful burrow]

Amazon is easily the worst place to buy real pc hardware
Anyone can sell anything for any price
Who is selling the card? Not Amazon, not rog

It's basically ebay now

[gaunt hawk]

It is the rog store tho

[graceful burrow]

Prove it then
Link it

[ruby venture]

Wait do you want one

[unkempt widget]

i mean i've seen people sell 1080s for 700 bucks on amazon

[ruby venture]

I have a shop, it’s in Germany

[gaunt hawk]

ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX™ 4090 24GB GDDR6X White OC Edition mit DLSS 3 und Chart-Topping Thermoleistung https://amzn.eu/d/2ksJZc0

[ruby venture]

It’s the white one

That’s why

[unkempt widget]

holy shit it does say "visit the asus store" but still it's the white one

[gaunt hawk]

How does this make the price ok?

1k upsell for a different color that costs not even a cent in production?

[unkempt widget]

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/GeForce-Gaming-Epic-X-Overclocked-Graphics/dp/B0BHCJKGKS/ref=sr_1_8?crid=LNPLFL7BMQZT&keywords=4090&qid=1674263939&s=computers&sprefix=40%2Ccomputers%2C472&sr=1-8 here's one for 2.2k, still really high

[graceful burrow]

I need a proper postal code to see what you see and idk how those work there

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Matters not
What I said holds true

[indigo plume]

will lian li dynamic evo case ever refill stock

[gaunt hawk]

What?

[indigo plume]

cuz only ones I see are inflated af

[unkempt widget]

ask lian li

[indigo plume]

with like 70 dollars shippig from new egg

[graceful burrow]

Text doesn't stutter bud scroll up

[gaunt hawk]

https://www.e-tec.at/details.php?artnr=357908&hs=ASU

Here is the official austrian seller for gpus

[unkempt widget]

what?

[slate tulip]

A butter stud?

[gaunt hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/812778439789641729/1066165891303215165/IMG_0698.jpg

[gaunt hawk]

2.9k for the black model

[full fossil]

Hello

[slate tulip]

Meanwhile, Intel Arc is reasonably priced ;)

[unkempt widget]

but it's trash

[slate tulip]

Not at all

[winter spindle]

It’s alright

A770 could be could value

[slate tulip]

I gamed on it, cranked all the settings to max, ran fine

[winter spindle]

Is it 3060 or 3060 ti

[unkempt widget]

it's literally worse than a gtx 780ti

and an rx 6500xt

[gaunt hawk]

Why would you need a postal code?

[winter spindle]

No

That’s outrageous

[graceful burrow]

Amazon won't show me sellers there or anything without one
I'm past it, lost interest

[slate tulip]

Is it less mature than other brands? Sure, but it’s also priced accordingly, and it performs way above it’s price point when you play games with the latest DirectX

[unkempt widget]

i'm gonna upload the screenshot to imgur

[gaunt hawk]

I send a link from the official Austrian partner for gpus you could look st

[graceful burrow]

I am aware.
I lost interest before that
I do not care

[unkempt widget]

https://imgur.com/a/ov9rbCx

[graceful burrow]

[winter spindle]

What does that graph show

[unkempt widget]

3dmark score

[winter spindle]

Doesn’t seem right

A770 is basically a little worse 3060

[unkempt widget]

they've benchmarked it about 80 times

[manic torrent]

3dmark shows how good a card is at 3dmark

It's useful information, but it isn't the whole picture

[unkempt widget]

yeah, but if it's on par with a 10 year old card, you can't expect it to do that well

[manic torrent]

Except that iirc it performs much better than the score would indicate in some games.

[winter spindle]

Are you serious right nyow

[slate tulip]

Nah, if you see here:
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/4605vs2717/Intel-Arc-A770-vs-GeForce-GTX-780-Ti
the GTX 780 is ranked a few points higher... but as I claimed, that changes when you compare only the latest DirectX version (12), where the A770 sees a whopping 113.3% FPS over the GTX 780TI, compared to only 6.1% more FPS with DirectX11, and 4.6% less with DirectX10

[unkempt widget]

i'll show you the graph of all the different baselines

[manic torrent]

What you're doing is taking a single data point and extrapolating from it. This isn't fundamentally wrong l, but in this case we have more data, and you're deliberately not using it, causing you to have a different conclusion.

[summer folio]

Linus agreeing DVI > All, based.

[night heron]

there have been countless times where AMD gpus noticeably outperform nvidia cards in 3dmark but perform worse in popular games

[summer folio]

[unkempt widget]

that's also true

[manic torrent]

The 3dmark scores between a750 and a770 likely reflect the relative difference between them though.

[night heron]

3dmark is great for comparing cards of the same architecture or model

[slate tulip]

so, yes - if you want a GPU for playing Half-Life 2 with DirectX 9 - the GTX 780 Ti will perform 54% better - but if you want to play modern games, the A770 blows it out of the water

[night heron]

but it doesnt give you a complete picture of gaming performance

[slate tulip]

and our drivers will improve

AMD drivers used to suck too - as I hear it, they've gotten better

[unkempt widget]

let's take a look at the 3060
intel arc a770 beats 3060 in directx 12 by 12.7%

but loses horrendously on any other direct x version

[night heron]

arc peforms fine for most games after their dxvk implementation

[summer folio]

3DMark06, best game

[hollow pulsar]

A word of caution here to not really rely on driver improvements to give a decent performance boost. It can happen, but it’s rare.

[indigo plume]

what does radeon super resultion do

[unkempt widget]

i'm silver 2 what are you ranked

[indigo plume]

and radeon boost

[gaunt hawk]

Do you happen to know the vulkan numbers?

[manic torrent]

What does Google do

[night heron]

renders the game at a higher resolution and then downscales it to your monitor's resolution

[indigo plume]

and should I be using them

[slate tulip]

1. you should link the site you are using to make that claim (see how i set an example? It's good for civil discourse)
2. it's also priced according to it's performance compared to say, a 3060 in most games

[unkempt widget]

no but what game uses vulkan

[night heron]

in simple terms it works like antialiasing and isnt worth using

[indigo plume]

what about the boost one

[night heron]

radeon boost is a gimmick

[unkempt widget]

used the same website as you

[slate tulip]

true, but I'm told that better performance in older DirectX version is something that's being worked on

[gaunt hawk]

All (on linux)

[slate tulip]

Fair, but include the link

[manic torrent]

... really?

[indigo plume]

image sharpening and anti lag was on by defualt

[slate tulip]

don't expect all 10,000 people who might be lurking to do the work themselves

[indigo plume]

should I keep them on

[night heron]

i would disable any sharpening or supersampling

[unkempt widget]

i geniunely couldn't think of any game that uses it

[night heron]

antilag features probably dont hurt anything but they probably dont help anything either

[unkempt widget]

only thing i can think of is r6, and that's only an option

[winter spindle]

Rpcs3

[gaunt hawk]

Linux uses vulkan for everything

[slate tulip]

Doom w/Vulkan was amazing

[unkempt widget]

sounds like it's your problem

[graceful burrow]

A lot of games use vulkan nowadays
Vulkan rules

[indigo plume]

rn in witcher 3 I get 70 fps with rt on

[graceful burrow]

Doom eternal only runs vulkan

[slate tulip]

and it was amazing 😛

[graceful burrow]

No dx
No opengl

[indigo plume]

70 is prob enough for game like witcher

[graceful burrow]

Doom eternal runs so well

[unkempt widget]

i am so out of touch

[graceful burrow]

True

[unkempt widget]

OwO chat unalived

[wary summit]

fr

[wary summit]

forgott bout that for a second

OpenGL ad DirectX kinda old

[graceful burrow]

Vulkan is a great technology

[manic torrent]

Glide is best.

[graceful burrow]

Fucking glide

[tawny thicket]

God I remember Glide, it was SO MUCH better than OpenGL was at the time.

[winter spindle]

Direct 3d

[tawny thicket]

oh my god the game I used to compare the 2 is on steam now lol

https://store.steampowered.com/app/32740/MiG29_Fulcrum/

The theme music was fire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38Gz8EZvnU8

[unkempt widget]

wtf pentium 2 had 266mhz

[indigo plume]

can somone reccomend me a pc case that supports 360 mm radidator on the top

and that is white

[cosmic coyote]

Lian Li O11 Dynamic Evo White

[indigo plume]

would get but seems like its out of stock

[cosmic coyote]

are you aussie

[indigo plume]

canada

[cosmic coyote]

ok phew

[indigo plume]

only one is stock is like 100 extra dollars on amazon

[cosmic coyote]

theres also meshify s2 but it more 2 tone than pure white.

[rigid moon]

hyte y60 w

[rigid moon]

lianli?

but hyte y60 only support 30mm rad

which is not nice

you need to mount your fan inside

[full fossil]

wow, didnt know that the say fu__y wasnt allowed

[unkempt widget]

shadow ping?

[full fossil]

it was me

[slim lava]

Stupid question, but is there a place where i could watch old ltt streams

[unkempt widget]

what did you say

[full fossil]

the bot deleted

I really do not want to be alive anymore.

[slim lava]

like 2016 an up

[unkempt widget]

relatable 😔

[full fossil]

fu__y

Probably gonna end up in hospital again

[unkempt widget]

you just said that to me?

that only?

[full fossil]

yea

[unkempt widget]

nothing else?

[full fossil]

nothing

so

[manic torrent]

YouTube?

[indigo plume]

how big is it like does it take up too much room on desk

[manic torrent]

It's 1m x1m

[indigo plume]

wanted li lian evo but only one i can get has 50 dollar shipp costs

[ionic hinge]

oof

[full fossil]

I was working on some videos about drivers, like oem drivers vs intel drivers

but kinda started thinking that it woudnt be relevant

[cosmic coyote]

Please look after yourself man so we can enjoy the new AMD 7000 series x3d cpus.

[full fossil]

🦎

[wind pulsar]

Google

[unkempt widget]

,dr jam. gl ,cyd ydco t.fxrape

[summer folio]

Nooo, I catched up with todays WAN Show.
No more 2x speed

[unkempt widget]

c x.y ekrpat mae. cy

[full fossil]

whats that?

[summer folio]

My guess he is trying to type dvorak->qwerty messages coded

[unkempt widget]

c erb-y tbr, mab

[full fossil]

ohhh

[unkempt widget]

dvorak is so weird

[full fossil]

true

[full fossil]

how did you notice that?

wt

[summer folio]

its aight,
Prefere Svorak-A5

[unkempt widget]

why svorak

[summer folio]

åäö

[full fossil]

qwerty abnt2

[unkempt widget]

why is it called svorak

[full fossil]

heh

[full fossil]

swedish

[summer folio]

also shift/altgr-key+numbers does nothing

thats the A5 ig

all special characters are at a-z

[unkempt widget]

why is it called svorak

[summer folio]

They moved ,. around
& put ÅÄÖ top left

[unkempt widget]

why

do you not like your e as a period

[summer folio]

🇸🇪

[unkempt widget]

ew

[summer folio]

No

[unkempt widget]

is it that place where minecraft came from

[full fossil]

thats kinda cool

[summer folio]

The button left of Z is .

[full fossil]

it has the ç?

[summer folio]

the button right of å key is ,

[unkempt widget]

isn't that just shift

[summer folio]

Nordic keyboard layout reference,
å is right off on qwerty

[summer folio]

pretty sure left pinky finger = .
right pinky finger = ,

I'm at phone rn(qwerty here)
touch types Svorak A5 on pc

[full fossil]

nice

[summer folio]

https://svorak.ahall.se/images/svorak-a5.svg

[full fossil]

it is simetric

interresting

[sonic barn]

Jobs should have 2 month paid vacation outside of regular vacation days given

[full fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhckVlgYZJE&ab_channel=BernardAlbertson

what a vídeo

[hollow pulsar]

Same thing?

[summer folio]

Bet you already get saturday & sundays off

[regal tinsel]

How is everyones friday?

[mellow crane]

N||ice ca||r

[manic torrent]

Friday was ok, Saturday... I got up, sorted out my son, had a nice nap.

[manic torrent]

We get a month

[trim dawn]

Will a 4090 and a 5600x w/ 16gb of ram cause a bottleneck?

Just curious

[manic torrent]

No

In some cases, the performance will be cpu limited.

Although if you can afford a 4090 and you have 16gb ram, you are making questionable choices.

[summer folio]

Blacc person sensor
no iPhone, social economic factors

wan show

[trim dawn]

Ok, thanks!

[trim dawn]

The reason I don't get more RAM is because I don't want to buy one that doesn't fit my mobo

[summer folio]

Lol, not even 50% of USA use iphones

[trim dawn]

And I don't know what size/type it is

[slate tulip]

Intel gives you a sabbatical (8 weeks) every 7 years, in addition to your normal time off

[earnest minnow]

7 years

[slate tulip]

I knew a guy who took his sabbatical, all his PTO, and his paternity leave all contiguously, was gone for like 6 months. Some of his coworkers thought he got laid off

[summer folio]

What is normal time off?

[slate tulip]

Depends. Iirc, maybe 2-4 weeks a year? My team doesn’t keep track though. I probably took 3 or 4 weeks last year

[cedar pebble]

Oh hey systems engineering 👀

[summer folio]

In Sweden 2023:
Saturday & Sunday off(everywhere?)
8 weekdays in total is holidays so off
& 5 weeks paid vacation/year

[slate tulip]

[cedar pebble]

Hopefully you don’t ever have to use quartus lmfao

[slate tulip]

Quartus?

[summer folio]

Then of course you get paid when sick, when ur kid is sick or just home with kid pay couple years,
but thats just standard stuff

[vapid smelt]

we all know hospitals and police stations dont operate on Saturday and Sunday

[cedar pebble]

Does your team deal w/ fpga stuff?

[strange elk]

hah. yeah good luck getting that here with entry level jobs especially

[summer folio]

Make it summer time, & literally impossible to get doctor appointment(everybody has right to 5 weeks paid summer vacation june-july) in Sweden 🇸🇪

Shuttint down society & absorbing the sun time! 🌞

[slate tulip]

Oh, nope. I manage infrastructure, linux servers, etc

[cedar pebble]

Oh good

[summer folio]

Windows Server 2003 bet

[slate tulip]

Oof, nothing so horrible

There’s windows servers, but we have a windows admin for that, and all the latest version

[icy oak]

Have y'all ever seen a 25¢ bill?!

[unkempt widget]

lmao

[thick herald]

what is a app that is like firefox but for low end that is faster?

[unkempt widget]

netscape

is it even a thing

[thick herald]

idk

[unkempt widget]

altavista

[thick herald]

:/ altavista?

sounds like a os

[unkempt widget]

AltaVista was a Web search engine established in 1995. It became one of the most-used early search engines, but lost ground to Google and was purchased by Yahoo! in 2003, which retained the brand, but based all AltaVista searches on its own search engine.

[thick herald]

sound like it gone then :/

[strange elk]

yahoo.. as dumb as it name would suggest

[full fossil]

I like how rule 11 exists and jake is going (∩ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)⊃━☆ﾟ. *

[eager venture]

4h wan show?

[manic torrent]

rule 0: all rules apply based on discretion, and not to mods.

[hazy holly]

Hey

[polar pine]

3.5 hour WAN

Christ

[night heron]

rule 16: mods can do whatever they want
rule 14: youre not allowed to complain about it

[strange elk]

[jaunty compass]

i'm gonna 3d model a custom case for the motherboard of an old laptop to make it a mini pc

[night heron]

the rules are a lot more serious than what is actually enforced though

i think theyre just to scare people off, the mods are usually very chill

[night heron]

based

[jaunty compass]

it's not very fast but it's better as like
a mini pc or whatever

the battery life is ass too

[manic torrent]

honestly... rules are almost always guidelines. And they don't matter hugely, the key is nuace and banning people who are obviously not beneficial the the community

[jaunty compass]

i can't send images, so it's not like i can send a picture of the board

[latent plank]

there are other channels for posting pics

[jaunty compass]

Well yeah I know
but nobody ever actually checks them if you say
"i posted a picture in xxx chat"

so i was just going to say, it's actually pretty square

[night heron]

if you have an open nitro boost using it in here will give you public chat image perms

[jaunty compass]

and easy to design a case for

it's the most normal shaped laptop board i've personally ever seen

[manic torrent]

they do. For other people. It's just you we ignore

[jaunty compass]

💀

[night heron]

[slate tulip]

yeah, I've had people in here complain when I've done that

[night heron]

ill look at the pic if you tag me with the post

[jaunty compass]

it's the board of the hp envy 14-u009tx

really square for a laptop board

[night heron]

or you can send it and ill repost it here

[jaunty compass]

🗿

[night heron]

the driver that screws

[jaunty compass]

i sent a picture of it in screenshots
it's very normal shaped for a laptop board

that's not this exact model of boardm but it's the same shape

the one i have just has a dedicated gpu

an i5 4510u for the cpu and gtx 850m for the gpu

basically
not exactly good for a laptop

[vapid smelt]

you mean i7?

[jaunty compass]

yeah, i pushed the wrong key

i mean i7, but it's one of the shitty quad core laptop ones intel used to make

[vapid smelt]

yikes a 2 core i7

[jaunty compass]

dual

dual core

it's like midnight i'm a bit tired

[jaunty compass]

yeah, and it's not that power efficient either

the gpu isn't fast either

but i don't want to throw something like that out

[vapid smelt]

15 watt 2 core i7 in 2023

[jaunty compass]

the laptop itself is full functional

it's just bad

[night heron]

unironically completely usable for an emachine

just browsing and watching videos

[vapid smelt]

only a fancy linux distro will save it

[night heron]

and playing really old games

like anything up to 2008 would probably run okay

[vapid smelt]

how good is the display in terms of color accuracy brightness and resolution ?

[jaunty compass]

1080p
TN
low brightness, bad colors

[vapid smelt]

at least its 1080p!

[jaunty compass]

true

but it's pretty bad

[vapid smelt]

my parents dual monitor set up uses a old 1080p tn 2006-11 monitor and a new ips 1080p one and the difference is shocking when side to side

[jaunty compass]

old TN panels are horrible

old LCDs in general

[vapid smelt]

cant really think of a uses case for that laptop

[night heron]

modern lcd is still horrible in its raw form

it needs backlight dimming to compete with oled

otherwise hdr straight up wouldnt be possible

[vapid smelt]

cant wait for 27-32inch oled 4k 120hz+ monitors to be a thing at around $450

[night heron]

thatll be really nice

its far but not that far

TCL showed off a 31" 4k 120hz oled monitor at CES this year

with true rgb subpixel layout

[vapid smelt]

closest so far

[night heron]

they said it'll come out around 2025 most likely

wont be $450 tho obv

id expect to be able to get something similar for $450 in early 2030

[vapid smelt]

guess i will wait till 2027 to upgrade to 4k

[jaunty compass]

as a laptop, no

as a mini pc
i could mount it to the back of a 1080p monitor and use it for emulation

[vapid smelt]

thats what the steam deck is for

[jaunty compass]

mounting to the back of a display?

[vapid smelt]

emulation

[full fossil]

Steamdeck

[jaunty compass]

my steam deck won't live in the guest room

[full fossil]

I want one but thinner dammit

[jaunty compass]

i don't think valve is going to do that yet

the steam deck 2/v2 will probably use the same shell

[vapid smelt]

from what i remember v2 will just have a better screen and battery life

[full fossil]

And a better screen hopefully

Yea

[jaunty compass]

have you seen the cursed steam deck 32:9 aspect ratio mock up

[night heron]

nop

[night heron]

if they keep the same price this is a major win

the display is the only complaint i have with the deck

1280x800p doesnt bother me, it's a good pick for optimizing battery life

ips isnt ideal but it's fine

what bothers me is the reviews ive seen have shown that its calibration is horrible

like 7800kelvin white point which i could never get used to

[rigid hinge]

hey i need some help

so Ive had this gaming pc since october

and out of the blue, it goes to the BIOS menu and says it cant find any bootable devices

it has both drives detected

and the green boot light on the motherboard is shining

[night heron]

i would try unplugging and replugging the boot drive

if that doesnt work try the windows repair tool

if that doesnt help you then try fresh installing windows

if that doesnt work the drive is probably dead

[tepid bolt]

It will probably have better hardware but a lower power limit

[tepid bolt]

I'm curious about this since according to their metrics their best selling model was the most expensive $650 one

[fluid ridge]

vegas pro developers trying their hardest to make the app crash whenever they get the chance

[night heron]

you could also try making a different new windows install on a different drive and seeing if you can access the original boot drive from within the new windows install

and if you can see if everything that's supposed to be there is there

[fluid ridge]

i swear it's like they hardcoded this thing to stop responding after a set amount of time

blue switches are nice

i have blues

[night heron]

or you can just rip the boot drive out of the pc and put it in a different computer and try to read it from that computer's windows install

there's many things you can try

[tepid bolt]

Blue switches are by far the best but they get annoying quick

[night heron]

i figured itd be the middle option

[fluid ridge]

IDK

i think blues sound sick

[night heron]

mechanical switches are all preference there is no best

[fluid ridge]

incorrect

[rigid hinge]

both drives are detected

and i cant get out of bios

[night heron]

the drive can be detected but still functionally dead

[rigid hinge]

oh

shit

[night heron]

that's unlikely to be the issue if this is a new pc though

[manic torrent]

unless the choice is red, then it is wrong.

[fluid ridge]

how did you break 2 drives in a new computer

[rigid hinge]

they worked fine till now

[tepid bolt]

That was the least sold, I imagine people who were already paying more than the base model figured they could spend a bit more on more storage and the extra goodies.

[rigid hinge]

i didnt drop it at all

[night heron]

the most expensive model is the one id specifically never buy

[fluid ridge]

do you have a laptop or a desktop

[night heron]

because it has a microetched matte display which i hate

[tepid bolt]

Makes it easier to scratch too

Manually upgrading the base model is the way to go

[night heron]

factual statement

uncommon shanic W

[full fossil]

rule 69 Linus shall only be refered to as Lord Linus

[agile heart]

my school is doing a photography competition so idk if i should get in or not

[tepid bolt]

$25 and 7 screws is all it took me to go from base to middle

[night heron]

if you find it fun and or think you have a chance at winning then why not

[agile heart]

well since it's about my country "Qatar" i have some old pics but damn it i can't post any of them here

[night heron]

oh i thought theyd make you take new pictures

[rigid hinge]

holy shit i fixed it

[night heron]

W

was it something very simple

[rigid hinge]

yeah

[night heron]

figured

[rigid hinge]

launch csm was disabled

[agile heart]

they'll never know if it's new or old pics

[rigid hinge]

lmfao

[night heron]

i imagined them telling you what to take pictures of

so that it has to be new

[night heron]

youre using csm instead of uefi?

on a new pc?

[rigid hinge]

idk what csm is

i just went to recently changed in bios

cause i was trying to turn on rezise bar

and it said launch csm was disabled so i thought "fuck it, worth a try"

and it booted normally

and its not that new i built it in october

[manic torrent]

yeah you did it wrong

[night heron]

i guess you configured the drive with mbr instead of gpt

[rigid hinge]

what does that mean

[night heron]

in simplest terms basically how the drive is labeled and organized

it doesnt affect performance you just did it using an old system

if your drive is 2tb or less it wont matter

[rigid hinge]

fuck

thats why it shows up as 2TB

when its a 4TB hdd

[night heron]

[rigid hinge]

i was so confused lmoa

ok how do i fix it

[night heron]

are you using a hard drive as your windows boot drive

[rigid hinge]

nope

im using an m.2

[night heron]

you can change a secondary drive from mbr to gpt from within windows

itd be easier for you to watch a youtube tutorial than have me try and explain it over discord

[hollow pulsar]

Just be sure to move any files off beforehand.

[rigid hinge]

alr

[night heron]

i went through this exact scenario myself many years ago and had to watch a bunch of youtube tutorials

before discord era

god bless youtube

[wispy marsh]

I'm sorry linus

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/756589299310526494/1066247827325452308/image.png

[full fossil]

I kinda want a macbook bruh but I do not need one 💀

[ebon otter]

i just got rick rolled by a spotifi recomadation

[full fossil]

Why also hi triple

[indigo lintel]

Even better when you get rick rolled by the radio

[dreamy rose]

ignore

[mint ore]

@alpine aspen its uncanny how many servers we are both in

[full fossil]

You traitor

[wispy marsh]

We have two komi's here

no more please

[night heron]

real

i think about buying one a lot

[full fossil]

🔥

[split ice]

I thought I was the only one. The OS is so nice compared to whatever microsoft gave us

[indigo lintel]

We multiply!!!

[hollow pulsar]

As long as the OS allows you to accomplish your use-case easily, you can’t go wrong.

[full fossil]

Banana os

[timid meadow]

I'm waiting to stumble across one cheap enough. I dont need it, but itd be a nice to have

[full fossil]

Don't forget get to buy dongle so you could connect your mouse, and charger because it probably won't be included

[neon mesa]

i thought macs are interesting, then my dad got two macbooks to resale
i got a chance to try it, meh

granted these are the touchbar 2018 ones
but it is still mac os

[full fossil]

yes

It's more difficult to use than gnome and has bunch of spyware

[dreamy rose]

that was the same except they aren't intresting and using one was terrible. thanks Music class.

[neon mesa]

i rather use linux literally

and i'm not a fan of linux

[full fossil]

I rather eat sand

[dreamy rose]

Obviously, because Linux is the best option.

[full fossil]

Someone speaks my language

[timid meadow]

Linux is king except for gaming. But even thats changing slowly

[neon mesa]

nvidia and adobe:

[dreamy rose]

i mean yeah people can have their Opinions no matter how shit. but Linux is the most Customisable, Lightweight and well it runs the entire fuckin internet.

[autumn prawn]

hello

[dreamy rose]

its not the most compatable. but that is changing too

[slate tulip]

But not the most user friendly unfortunately

[timid meadow]

Its so customizable that if you like windows that much you can get like 95% of the way there with enough work

[dreamy rose]

no. it depends on the distro.

[neon mesa]

at this point just use windows

[slate tulip]

Linux’s strength is, ironically, it’s weakness

[echo ridge]

^

[dreamy rose]

Chrome OS is Gentoo. Zorin (Although its Ubuntu based, which is a shit base) is definitely user friendly. KDE does everything

[timid meadow]

Eh. Theres room to argue that its more secure even if you do all the extra

[slate tulip]

Too many people individually making the app that’s perfect for them instead of aggregating all those man hours into perfecting a single application

[echo ridge]

looks at gentoo

[neon mesa]

like until linux can actually not rely on windows Vm then it's worthwhile
but from what i've seen, even hardcore linux users still rely on windows vm from time to time

[full fossil]

there different tools for different jobs

[neon mesa]

except you almost never need a linux vm on windows

[dreamy rose]

well they dont unless they have some stupid exotic hardware.

[timid meadow]

I mean, even hardcore windows users need linux from time to time

[neon mesa]

sooo most people, because most people uses nvidia

[full fossil]

eh

[neon mesa]

way less than vice versa

like... i never even need to make a linux vm personally

[dreamy rose]

well thats not Exotic. thats just a Dumb companies products.

[timid meadow]

From your phone, to recovery tools, to almost any server your windows pc contacts over the internet

[neon mesa]

servers are an exception
we're talking about consumer desktops and laptops
don't use a strawman

[full fossil]

this is weirdly tangent

Can people even play windows only games on mac via steam?

and the convo again is just, why we even talking about it

[neon mesa]

mac is the worst of windows and linux combined into one

[dreamy rose]

Proton works on Intel macs yeah

[full fossil]

use linux if you need to, use windows if you need to

if you want apple use apple

[full fossil]

Those thiefs >:[

[dreamy rose]

you should only use Windows if you need it. everyone should be dabbling in Linux Distros.

[timid meadow]

Wsl is literally built into windows because enough people wanted it. You use linux way more then you know

[neon mesa]

"fiona please put up your presentation"
"i'm sorry my linux system is having compatibility issues"

[dreamy rose]

Open Source. cant help it.
sorry i guess

[slate tulip]

Or just use WSL

[full fossil]

I played every game on Linux xP even the eac protected ones

[full fossil]

🔪

[dreamy rose]

no. WSL is a bunch of shit, you cant even use it to replace the Desktop. then you actually defeat the point of Linux

the point of Linux is to move away from big tech's bullshitery like Windows and MacOS

[neon mesa]

most people don't give a fuck who made their shit

in order for linux to be desireable it needs more than "red pill marketing"

need more than "get out of the matrix" kind of marketing

if getting out of "big tech bullshit" is the only point of linux then most people don't see a point

[dreamy rose]

linux doesnt need Marketing. it needs users and to be put in Prebuilt/ Laptop computers.

[full fossil]

BuT tHeYrE mOnItOrInG mE

no sht sherlock you got a phone? you derped a long time ago

[timid meadow]

And to be in schools the same way windows is. Kids catch onto linux alot easier when they have no preconceived notions of what an os is

[neon mesa]

most people are already monkeys when using windows (got experience in helping people with the most simplest shit in windows)
let alone giving their hands on linux

[full fossil]

not educating linux is literally job security

[dreamy rose]

this is why i want my Sister to be in Linux on day 1 of her getting a Computer. shes gonna know what a Decent OS is

[manic torrent]

The problem is - what is Linux.

[neon mesa]

you better be ready to be tech support 24/7 because that's gonna get old after a while

[full fossil]

not like anyone even cares if ur a smart well rounded person, just hit some rocks with a hammer and work

[dreamy rose]

hell its better because she cant put a million viruses on the fuckin network.

[timid meadow]

Gave my nieces a couple pcs to help with school. Loaded Ubuntu on them because they were too low spec for proper windows. Expected to hear back every other week. Nope, theyve figured it out. Between them and their mom the systems have been running fine for a year or 2

[full fossil]

if you want linux taught in schools go sit on a school board curiculum meeting lol tf i needs to be some national standard or something

[full fossil]

and it does the job it needs to do

[dreamy rose]

of course because Grandma can run Kubuntu/Xbuntu on her computer and use it to do anything they can on Windows. same for children

[timid meadow]

Exactly. And thats all we need for adoption. Its not perfect, but its improving. Yet its still marketed as fancy big brain when it doesn't have to be

[slate tulip]

Lol. And yet, it worries fine to do my job, every day

[full fossil]

i dont think its marketed that way, people just have this dumb ideology of it

[timid meadow]

Its gotten to a point where basic tasks are as easy as they need to be

[full fossil]

and old rose tinted glass boomers start misconstruing some ancient CLI os as linux lol

[slate tulip]

Says who?

[neon mesa]

yeahh linux community themselves can be blamed for this

as a lot of the times they're elitist as fuck

[full fossil]

I think they meant Linux desktop

[timid meadow]

Hey guys...guess what....i dont use arch XD

[dreamy rose]

it isn't. and as russian as this sounds, its the OS for the people by the people.

[neon mesa]

that is a double edged sword

consumers now don't have a scapegoat like microsoft when things go wrong

[dreamy rose]

Manjaro would like to speak

Canonical too.

[neon mesa]

and if the linux OS is installed on an OEM device
it might limit how the OEM can help you when things go south

[slate tulip]

I just think that's it's funny that you would assign a single common unified goal to something like "Linux" when it's obviously the exact opposite

[neon mesa]

unless the person installed it themselves then they probably know how to fix it

but if it's like your case where you install it for someone else who is not as tech literate it can be an issue

since there are a lot less people who are good enough with linux to assist in tech issues

[timid meadow]

The goal of linux is whatever the user wants it to be. Vs windows being whatever Microsoft wants it to be

[slate tulip]

if it was true, all open source developers writing code for anything related to linux would collaborate to build a single "best of the best" to "beat" windows, etc

[full fossil]

i still not getting the point of the convo really. go play with linux dude.

[dreamy rose]

the internet exists. many are asking on the internet. stick to Debian stuff you got your answers everywhere

[neon mesa]

oh i have tried linux more times than i need to

even as a main OS without windows dual boot

and i find myself keep coming back to windows

[dreamy rose]

weak

[slate tulip]

that's what I'm saying - there is no "linux" as a single entity. Just a bunch of random people doing what they please with free and open source code. Sometimes small groups collaborate on a goal

[full fossil]

That's my goal xP as soon as I have enough money to hire people

its just dumb team flag waving useless banter but i guess we all just stuck in this moment

[neon mesa]

if linux is so good i would simply stay without the need to be "strong"

[timid meadow]

Convo for the sake of convo. Noone seems to have a "side" just people talkin about it

[full fossil]

ah

[slate tulip]

but "linux" isn't an entity that can have a goal or purpose

[full fossil]

good. hardwareboba

[slate tulip]

Sure, Linus (Torvalds) can have a motive for making the kernel, but it's much larger than him now

[manic torrent]

The way to make "Linux" be successful on the desktop is to invest at LEAST 100m, probably more in building a dedicated desktop distro, and getting it on oems

[full fossil]

linux is successful 😐

[manic torrent]

.... Maybe read?

[dreamy rose]

yes it is. obviously it is. Linux is a Kernel to do many things and power as much as possible thats its Goal. and its achieved all of it. just not on the desktop

[full fossil]

That's my hero

i mean im prolly missing a bunch of convo here since i block a metric ton of people

[slate tulip]

as I said earlier - if they all collaborated on a single DE, they'd get a lot further than fragmenting for the purpose of larger adoption

[full fossil]

but if that was sarcasm im sorry i missed it

[manic torrent]

I have been using Linux for 25+ years

[manic torrent]

On. The. Desktop.

[slate tulip]

Longer than me 😛 Maybe 14 years now?

[full fossil]

if i want linux on my desktop ill put it on my desktop

thats succesful

[dreamy rose]

i mean. look at it this way. its about WHAT YOU WANT. not what one group of people want. and well. KDE does that. yet people hate it too.

[slate tulip]

didn't know even know it existed when I was growing up

[timid meadow]

No. Its not. The linux kernal is a small part of the vast canyon that is "linux". Doesnt macos depend on the linux kernal too?

[manic torrent]

............. No.

[slate tulip]

No. IIRC, it has it's roots in unix and not linux

[dreamy rose]

where did you get that from. they are both *nix (Unix like)

[timid meadow]

I thought it did im dumb my bad

[timid meadow]

Thats probably where my head was. I'm not versed in unix

[dreamy rose]

to be fair there is a lot similar in the backend. except MacOS is made by the dumb for the bigger dumb.

[slate tulip]

I cut my teeth on unix

and tbh, except for Solaris, Linux is much better 😛

[unkempt widget]

my dad runs windows on his macbook

[dreamy rose]

so? nothing Special. Dualbooting exists.

[unkempt widget]

just thought i said it

[manic torrent]

I have used aix, sunos, Solaris, sco, Linux of various types

[unkempt widget]

it's a horrible computer though, really slow

[full fossil]

StarMinor!

[neon mesa]

people who made macs are smart at making money

[unkempt widget]

i'm suprised he could even use it

[unkempt widget]

Awoofy!

[full fossil]

Lol, wyd?

[dreamy rose]

they are smart at exploiting the dumb. thats why they are big.

[slate tulip]

haven't used SCO. Managed AIX, Solaris, and HP-UX when I worked at Symantec

probably touched OpenVMS once

[dreamy rose]

i mean theres apparently reason why MacOS is good for Productivity but i've never heard an actual reason. that is just copium for the wasted money Mac Users paid.

[manic torrent]

Lol. You got some sand in there.

[neon mesa]

well adobe programs run better on Mac is one thing

[manic torrent]

I had a Mac for many years, and I'd have one again

[timid meadow]

Because it just works. Like all apple products. If you let them do what they do, itll just let you do what you do. Thats what windows wants too, except they havent locked out other hardware the way apple has, so theres more configs to consider and dev for

[dreamy rose]

linux does that better.

[manic torrent]

.... Lol.

What do you even mean by that

[unkempt widget]

linux

linus

linus definitely created linux

he just added an x after his name

[manic torrent]

This is correct.

[full fossil]

That's Adobe bullshit nonsense, if they coded it right, it wouldn't matter where it runs

[neon mesa]

uhhh what?

[timid meadow]

I wouldn't give a linux desktop to anyone ive seen on the network around here. Theres a reason most IT departments still use hyperlocked windows, even though old linux machines would be cheaper

[dreamy rose]

Windows wont run on Power PC, 68K, ARM, RISC V and x86 at the same time. way more compatible

[neon mesa]

linux is the last thing that "just works"

[unkempt widget]

skill issue

[neon mesa]

you have to install a mountain of compatibility programs and a mountain of dependencies before it's actually usable

[manic torrent]

That's..... Not anything to do with what we are talking about.

[dreamy rose]

okay that's clearly not true,

[full fossil]

Since when are you defending Linux xD

[unkempt widget]

hey look i have skill issue as well

[manic torrent]

Because the cost of the hardware is just one component of the TCO, and there's a whole bunch of stuff that makes it complex.

[unkempt widget]

i will never use linux because of how skill issue i am

[slate tulip]

how old are you?

[unkempt widget]

who just randomly asks that question

how old are you?

[manic torrent]

It's not random

[slate tulip]

it's not random. I even replied to a message

[unkempt widget]

in the context it is

[neon mesa]

a lot of programs don't even work without wine

and gosh my experience with wine was pain

[timid meadow]

Pretty common convo on this server. Im in my 20s, bobs a bit older. Not too random

[unkempt widget]

download more ram

[full fossil]

yes most of us babysit or work with a bunch of children whos only thing in life is to fill a spot in the corporate cogs of the machine and justify existing lol, beautiful. give em what they need to do their job.

[manic torrent]

If you're trying to run a specific program rather than solve a problem, yeah

[full fossil]

im so old 👴🏾

[unkempt widget]

why is everyone here so old

[dreamy rose]

are you kidding me? you act like Chrome and Firefox arent supporting Linux. linux is usable.

[manic torrent]

Yep. Half of everyone is below average

[neon mesa]

all the 13 years old are at fortnite server

[slate tulip]

so I assume younger

[unkempt widget]

most discord servers i've been to are full of 13 year olds

[full fossil]

ever seen the mouth of a river exit into a waterfall?

[cosmic coyote]

anime servers?

[full fossil]

It's not Linux problem xD devs just haven't discovered wtf cross platform means, it's amazing that Linux even has a way to run windows only programs

[full fossil]

i can garauntee you they are not but theyd love you to believe that

[unkempt widget]

hmm i probably have

[neon mesa]

usable for the most basic shit, then pain when you need anything less basic

[unkempt widget]

no mostly gaming servers

[timid meadow]

Wut? Ive got a fully functional Ubuntu install that runs off usb and doesnt need wine for anything

[dreamy rose]

Counter point: App Stores.

[slate tulip]

to which I'd say - you have plenty of time to develop "skills". As I mentioned, I didn't even know linux existed until I was like, 18. now I do it for a living. I wouldn't discount yourself @unkempt widget

[neon mesa]

let's see
when i tried using mint for my daily driver
oh damn adobe straight up refused to work
ah fuck there is no microsoft office
ah damn some of my niche programs only has exe versions

[manic torrent]

I started with Linux in like... 1995, 96

[full fossil]

Don't use wine directly, use bottles or lutris, they have gui and it's ez to use

[cosmic coyote]

1. linus has been around for a long time so his subscriber base has also aged up.
2. pc building is an expensive hobby.

[manic torrent]

Some people are just old. It's how time works

[full fossil]

5 years before I was born xD

[full fossil]

Why are you so young

[unkempt widget]

then you'd expect either 40 year olds or children right? because the only people with money nowadays are people who either inherit parents money or are old

[slate tulip]

dang. A bit older than me. I was under 10 years old back then

[full fossil]

Lol that’s adorable

[neon mesa]

40 year olds don't play with PC building mostly

[manic torrent]

I was 14/15

[full fossil]

what

[unkempt widget]

yeah which is also true

[cosmic coyote]

yea thats basically what i see here

[manic torrent]

.... Oi

[slate tulip]

only a few years older than 30 - I make decent money working with Linux

[full fossil]

40 year olds are too busy being dicked by 30 years of economic downturn

[unkempt widget]

damn

[full fossil]

imagine thinking 40 year olds cant enjoy computer building as a hobby

[full fossil]

Lmao

[dreamy rose]

yeah well
A) dont use Adobe in general. even though you can get it running on Linux with a lot of effort
B) our Open Source Office alternatives are perfectly capable
C) sounds like a you problem pal. WINE.

[slate tulip]

what? I have friends who are over 50 years old that I game with regularly

[full fossil]

.... ok?

[unkempt widget]

adobe is so bad and overpriced

[manic torrent]

You're not wrong

[full fossil]

that was a fast block from me

[neon mesa]

soo a me problem that a program can't run on linux at all?

[timid meadow]

Just 40yr olds dealing with it? Think its all of us haha

[full fossil]

Thank god

[neon mesa]

what a good way to convince someone to use an os

[full fossil]

Right?

[neon mesa]

and adobe is required in a lot of places

[unkempt widget]

istg you couldn't get 2 different adobe applications to run at the same time without crashing your pc

[full fossil]

Sure if your pc is bad

[neon mesa]

i run premiere pro and photoshop at the same time no problem

[cosmic coyote]

linux is so much cope.

[timid meadow]

Adobe may be. An adobe license may not be. 😉

[unkempt widget]

oh well i won't ever buy adobe when there are alternatives that are free

[neon mesa]

oh yeah speaking of non genuine adobe
crack software are even more pain on linux

[full fossil]

linux users pulling out their manual to download a clock program

[neon mesa]

since a lot of crackers only make windows variants

[unkempt widget]

linus users 💀

[cosmic coyote]

need a computer science degree to operate linux

[full fossil]

Linus

[cosmic coyote]

not even joking

[manic torrent]

Looool a manual

[full fossil]

lol

[cosmic coyote]

terminal

[manic torrent]

I quit my CS degree

[slate tulip]

pulling out a manual? Someone should learn man

[dreamy rose]

yeah. because you are actively seeking out dead or anti Linux software. we dont all do it. its YOUR problem. and if you are too lazy to use WINE. then you aren't thinking about Linux as Linux. you are thinking of Linux as Windows. which is dumb.

[full fossil]

this chat went to poop real fast

[unkempt widget]

i picked physics over IT, i don't regret it at all now

[slate tulip]

I have zero degrees

[full fossil]

You don’t help

[timid meadow]

Dontcha just love all the manuals that consist of a 2 paragraph readme that may as well end in "Good luck!"

[full fossil]

[neon mesa]

this is the thing i'm talking about on why the general public won't ever use linux, this guy

[cosmic coyote]

we went from agists to hating education

[neon mesa]

imagine tech support but most of the time it's that

[full fossil]

general public

[neon mesa]

"hello i got this problem with my pc"
"it's a you problem ma'am"

[full fossil]

Who was being ageist

you mean linux?

[neon mesa]

uehehe yeah lack of sleep does this sometimes

[full fossil]

i was confused there ❤️

[full fossil]

education needs heavy reform

[unkempt widget]

i mean tbh though linux is too high-entry point

the average person would find windows much more intuitive

[full fossil]

1. do something about it
2. bitch online and do nothing

User has chosen option 2

[timid meadow]

Nah its fine old people suck. The older i get the less useful i become beyond "hey i did this dumb thing last week dont do it kid" then the kids like nah and does it anyway

[sly parcel]

Is paying for floatplane worth it?

[slate tulip]

hmm.... ordering groceries. What should I get?

[unkempt widget]

how do you do something about reforming education

[cosmic coyote]

i think the problem with education is it has become too capitalist. Creating courses and giving free grades for money not for learning

[slate tulip]

thinking I'll make a beef stew in my dutch oven this week

[full fossil]

Get involved in government?

[unkempt widget]

good luck with that

[neon mesa]

"yeah. because you are actively seeking out dead or anti Linux software. we dont all do it. its YOUR problem. and if you are too lazy to use WINE. then you aren't thinking about Linux as Linux. you are thinking of Linux as Windows. which is dumb"```

[full fossil]

Why me? I'm not the one complaining about it

oof

[unkempt widget]

maybe you should use windows instead <3

[full fossil]

society is a banned word?

[unkempt widget]

we live in a society

you got deleted for a different reason

[sly parcel]

Is the qualty of the aditional content worth it?

[dreamy rose]

you treat an Xbox like a Nintendo Switch you are gonna run into issues immediately. that is not debatable in the slightest. same thing with Linux. you can try make it what you think it should be but its not possible.

[unkempt widget]

get battleboated

[cosmic coyote]

now put this in #linux

[full fossil]

for saying i just want money? kek

[neon mesa]

you gonna piss off the navy guys

[unkempt widget]

battleboat should've dmed you why you got rekt

[full fossil]

i have dms disabled

[cosmic coyote]

its more just supporting them I guess

[full fossil]

and im not enabling them

[unkempt widget]

sounds like a skill issue

[full fossil]

prolly

[neon mesa]

except linux is offered as a windows replacement
then it has to at least be able to do what windows can do

[full fossil]

StarBully

[sly parcel]

I like the idea of supporting, but so far I only supported open source projects

[unkempt widget]

i'm taking notes from you

[full fossil]

"No u"

[timid meadow]

Its not a replacement, its an alternative

[neon mesa]

and with "your problem" as a response
i don't see linux ever being mainstream

[full fossil]

Lol

[unkempt widget]

it's not and linux will never become mainstream

[full fossil]

linux is already mainstream

[cosmic coyote]

how is the laptop?

[sly parcel]

What do you mean?

[neon mesa]

mainstream as in for the average consumer

[cosmic coyote]

framework

[timid meadow]

Linux is already mainstream. Maybe not for gamers, but gamers alone don't make it mainstream

[unkempt widget]

2.93% of pc users use linux

[runic sierra]

Has any of the LTT channels done an update on the current running of best wireless earbuds? The free pixel buds I got with my pixel 6 pro have an issue. Audio is almost non-existent in one ear. Been looking to replace them with something but dunno what.

I want something comfy to wear in bed
But also want good ANC for work
(Which also means I can't have them falling out)

[unkempt widget]

how is that mainstream at all

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide

[neon mesa]

i'd argue gamers are the one who might give linux a try as the general public just don't touch anything deeper than their clock settings

[full fossil]

And anyway the one bitching about education being poor completely missed, and subsequently blocked me because of, the fact that I was being facetious when discussing people in their 40s and their economic status.
It's a bad situation

[full fossil]

ok

[cosmic coyote]

libreoffice is actually good. managed to open something from 2003

[full fossil]

linux is already mainstream. its used everywhere

[unkempt widget]

i wouldn't consider 3% market share to be mainstream but ok

[full fossil]

Like fuck, who in their 30s and 40s has disposable income? After the dot com crash, 09 crash, 16 crash, covid, and current downturn lmao

[full fossil]

i also dont consider a home desktop pc user the bonafide percentage indicator of an OS usage on a tech asset but ok

[cosmic coyote]

microsoft office is like "we dont do this shit"

[unkempt widget]

please explain

[timid meadow]

Again. Thats the difference between linux and desktop linux. 2 different things. Linux in and of itself is mainstream

[full fossil]

isn't android, technically, linux?

[unkempt widget]

if you only target a niche market of people who are very tech savvy, it's not mainstream, it's literally niche

[full fossil]

your smart fridge isnt running on windows, nor your watch, or your headphones

[full fossil]

It's 99% on servers and like 80% On phones

[full fossil]

lol

[neon mesa]

of course instead of trying to deflect the argument
everyone with half intelligence would be able to tell from previous convo that it is about desktop linux

[unkempt widget]

we're talking about pcs right?

[neon mesa]

even the AI chatGPT can tell context

[dreamy rose]

and it does. and it does more and its better. the ignorance of a shit company doesnt reflect the Ability of the OS.

[full fossil]

this sub is the king of "moving the goalpost"

linux is mainstream.

its used everywhere.

[sly parcel]

Except Microsoft, everyone is using Linux for servers

[full fossil]

No one said it isn't. But in the desktop environment specifically it absolutely is not

[full fossil]

its not even deflection its just reality

[neon mesa]

it does "more" and most of the solution to problems are either "you problem" or less capable software replacement

[unkempt widget]

how is it used everywhere

also android isn't linux?

[full fossil]

Servers, phones, light OSs

[neon mesa]

android is linux kernel

[full fossil]

your earphones use android?

Android is linux bro

[unkempt widget]

wait what