public-chat

[west sentinel]

so the mods to it is just 1kg spool

probably enough to run Pinecil case

[graceful burrow]

this one?

that's kinda nice actually

[west sentinel]

It's the one that has foldable bearing holder

[graceful burrow]

currently printing a steam deck case insert charger holder

[west sentinel]

@near nymph Wait there's two version, Flashforge lite and Flashforge Pro, which is actually better?

[graceful burrow]

given the naming scheme i'd say pro

[modest sierra]

you guys ever feel like all your friends and slowly distancing themselves from you

[graceful burrow]

[modest sierra]

whats you opinion on that aldonist. how do u deal with it

[graceful burrow]

i listen to fatboy slim

[vapid smelt]

sleep with them

[west sentinel]

there's also Dreamer NX

shit lot of Flashforge 3D printer to choose for

[graceful burrow]

most companies do

[balmy lotus]

no way the ryzen 9 7900x has better graphics then my DISCRETE GPU

[graceful burrow]

what is your DISCRETE GPU because your DISCRETE GPU could just be bad

[full fossil]

There is something wrong with my heart

[west sentinel]

Ok shit, two 3D printers to choose for

Adventurer 3 Pro and Dreamer NX

[near nymph]

Creator Pro is a nice printer... I usually do Creator 3 or Creator 3 Pro

[graceful burrow]

mine too unironically

[balmy lotus]

MY DISCRETE GPU is the RX 580

[vapid smelt]

DISCRETE GPUs should only be used to plug in extra monitors

[west sentinel]

How about dreamer NX?

[fervent prairie]

Shouldn't be worse than the igpu.

[balmy lotus]

a DISCRETE gpu is something that plugs in the pcie thing and is not an igpu right

[graceful burrow]

WHAT GPU IS IT

[balmy lotus]

MY DISCRETE GPU is the RX 580

[graceful burrow]

YOUR SETTINGS ARE BAD

[fervent prairie]

@graceful burrow blind man

[balmy lotus]

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

[graceful burrow]

its just so funny i wanted to see it twice kek

[balmy lotus]

passmark benchmark

:(((

[graceful burrow]

7900 XT(X)
THAT'S A GPU

wait

its not i scrolled down

[west sentinel]

Wait dreamer NX is kinda shit than Creator Pro

[balmy lotus]

no.. RYZEN 9 7900x
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html#:~:text=Radeon Ryzen 9 7900X,NA
vs
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+RX+580&id=3736

13000 vs 8000

[vapid smelt]

3d printers are useless just melt and place the plastic by hand

[graceful burrow]

true

[balmy lotus]

OOPS I DIdnt see that

[graceful burrow]

I mean it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMrIy9zm7QY

[balmy lotus]

MAYBE I dont even need to buy a GPU :sadge:

[balmy lotus]

XD

[fervent prairie]

According to some Reddit threads Passmark seems to be as reliable as UBM. So yeah wouldn't trust them to begin with. Big chunk of salt needed. a rx580 almost definitely is a better GPU than the igpu in a 7900x.

[balmy lotus]

damn

whats a good alternative

[fervent prairie]

Actual reviews 🦆
Since when where synthetic benchmarks that rely on user scores only ever reliable...

[balmy lotus]

are there good ways to compare gpu to gpu ?

[full fossil]

You guys can't escape rl on discord

[indigo plume]

Think I need a new case

[balmy lotus]

rocket league?

[full fossil]

Lol

[indigo plume]

Cuz my gpu don't fit normally so installed with vertic mount but it's too close to glass it has not much room to breathe and getting 84 degrees with 103 junction temp

Think I need to buy bigger case

[balmy lotus]

i cant tell if your joking

[indigo plume]

For 7900xt

[balmy lotus]

rip 😢

[full fossil]

Neither can I xD

[indigo plume]

Like would bad airflow cause gpu to get that hot

[balmy lotus]

if its basically touching the wall then prolly

[fervent prairie]

Very simple check. Remove the side panel and see if temps improve.

Should tell you if your card has enough room to breath or not.

[manic torrent]

... and even longer here.

[indigo plume]

Okay

Cuz I dont think 100 degree junction temp is normal

Was playing witcher 3

7900xt xfx card

[balmy lotus]

did you know that when leaded fuel was banned in the us crime rates fell
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22650920/leaded-gasoline-eradicated-public-health#:~:text=The EPA estimates that the,Crime rates dropped%2C too.

[graceful burrow]

when ?

[balmy lotus]

it has very good quests and also gwent

[manic torrent]

Yes, I also know that it correlates with other stuff, but basically the boomers are all lead poisoned

[balmy lotus]

yeah lol l ratio

my biggest fear is that i get lead poisining i think its even a big phobia

im so afraid of thermal paste lol

[west sentinel]

@near nymph I need you to conclude it for me, I've chosen two but different price high or low

Flashforge Creator Pro and Adventurer 3 Pro

[manic torrent]

86

[fervent prairie]

Just stop eating it. Or just use gloves.

[balmy lotus]

but it tastes soo goood

[graceful burrow]

we went to 96

before it stopped showing up at pumps

the ban of the sale of cars that used unleaded was in 1975

so a leeway period of 21 years

[near nymph]

Creator Pro is nice for dual extrusion

[west sentinel]

probably dual extrusion is just too enough

[near nymph]

Lol

I wonder how much I get the Creator Pro for... For resell

I'm a flashforge distributor

Dunno.

[manic torrent]

No, 86 for cars, 02 for pumps

[west sentinel]

but why adventurer 3 Pro is much expensive than Creator Pro or why Creator Pro is so cheap for dual extrusion?

[graceful burrow]

ah

[west sentinel]

better filament compatibility?

[balmy lotus]

lead poising momingt

[near nymph]

Just go for the Creator Pro

Adventure 3 sucks

[manic torrent]

My first car was an 81 Carby leaded manual rwd live axle Mazda 626 coupe.

[west sentinel]

really? just how?

[balmy lotus]

oof leadent posing

[west sentinel]

it's a pro version

[near nymph]

Just don't

[balmy lotus]

you shouoldve gotted a holden

[vapid smelt]

it made fun of him

[west sentinel]

oh

[manic torrent]

Shouldve I gottened one!?

[near nymph]

No... It's just a bad printer for personal use. It's good for educational use

[balmy lotus]

eyeh tpying is my experti

[manic torrent]

Y tho

[balmy lotus]

up the aussies

[west sentinel]

I'll go for Creator Pro thanks

[full fossil]

Why does microsoft edge show it has 5 tasks running in task manager when its never even actually open? Windows 10

[graceful burrow]

background tasks

[full fossil]

For what

[graceful burrow]

updating and whatnot

[full fossil]

I never even open microsoft exge

[graceful burrow]

so

[full fossil]

Edge. I use firefox

[graceful burrow]

it's a windows program on windows

[full fossil]

How do i get rid of it

[graceful burrow]

you dont

you'll break your OS if you do

it's used for more than just a browser within windows

[full fossil]

Edge actually works really well on Linux, they have native release

[full fossil]

Whats it used for

[oak goblet]

According to the Department of Justice, it's used for illegal product tying. According to Bill Gates, it's an integral and inseparable part of the core Operating System

[timid meadow]

All sorts of windows apps use it by default with no way to change it. Even if youve never opened edge, Microsoft calls an app instead of just connecting one app to the internet. Potentially illegal as flynn says but its only illegal if its enforced

[full fossil]

So in other words windows is ass

[graceful burrow]

i been sayin

[timid meadow]

Always has been

We dont have much choice though desktop wise

[full fossil]

So in other other words, install linux mint and ditch windows

[timid meadow]

I wouldn't recommend ditching windows all together unless your super fluent in linux

[full fossil]

Why

[graceful burrow]

i would

fuck windows
i wouldnt use mint tho, personal preference

[timid meadow]

Significantly less support. Its getting better but start in a vm, then maybe dual boot before going all in

[full fossil]

What would you use

[timid meadow]

My go to is Ubuntu

[graceful burrow]

i use kubuntu for KDE

[oak goblet]

I use Ubuntu on WSL2

[full fossil]

Why ubuntu

[oak goblet]

embrace extend extinguish

[full fossil]

Arch! Mint doesn't even install correct driver's, ik cuz I get asked "why is my game lagging on mint, Linux is so shit"

[timid meadow]

Or just get a hypervisor like unraid and virtualize everything. Then you can distro hop all you want

[oak goblet]

the most popular, ergo the most information available when you need help

[full fossil]

I heard the opposite

[full fossil]

I hate Ubuntu with a passion xD it's literally more work to make everything work correctly

[timid meadow]

You can use arch, but personally i prefer using my hardware over troubleshooting 24/7

[oak goblet]

I fundamentally believe the choice between distros does not matter

[full fossil]

Linux looks cool
The community (mostly) on the other hand

[full fossil]

Cuz Arch doesn't install anything, pacman -S nvidia, done

[oak goblet]

distros are basically just a version of the kernel, a package manager, and a desktop environment

[full fossil]

@full fossil iirc the driver issues are related to nvidia

I have all amd

Honestly I’ll use anything but mac os, and that’s only because I have no fucking idea how to use it. I spent a half hour trying to copy a file to a drive once and it left a bad taste in my mouth 💀

[oak goblet]

I find modern macOS offensive to my sensibilities, it's trying too hard to erase my control over my computer

Apple makes it harder with every yearly update to see and change how parts of macOS "work"

[timid meadow]

I need to get around to getting either a hackintosh or old mac just for the sake of being familiar with it. Helps me seem like i know what im doing and im not just some "apple bad" IT guy

[full fossil]

There is a fix, Nvidia works fine too on debian based, but wtf is the point of making "ez to use" distro If you need to install it manually, might as well learn how to do everything else manually lol

I’ve watched my partner use it and I genuinely think my issue is it’s too fucking easy to use and I want the struggle

[full fossil]

Isnt it nvidias fault for not supporting linux? Not the os itself?

Yes

So then why blame the os? XD

[oak goblet]

why not just get the cheaper M1 Mac Mini?

[full fossil]

Well I mean linux also has do deal with distros
I blame distros tbh

[full fossil]

It is os fault cuz it's super easy fix, but os refused to implement, only Manjaro and pop os fixed that

[timid meadow]

Because its like $500 more then i care to spend on it right now. Not that big a priority

Ive got a decent condition iphone 7 that keeps me familiar enough with current ios that ill buy one if a deal pops up while i have the money, but if i dont get one oh well. Thats what vms are for

[full fossil]

Sleep well my dear iphone 7 😔 finally dropped support

[oak goblet]

I had minor interest in Linux on AArch64 when I was still tinkering with my Pi 3B, but with the lack of consistent bootloaders between ARM SoCs I don't see how Windows is going to bridge that transition, let alone Linux

way more excited for RISC-V

[full fossil]

What are you on about?

[timid meadow]

RiscV seems like it could be cool. Im not smart enough to jump in early though.

[oak goblet]

Linux tends to need a lot of custom distro images for different ARM hardware, because they don't have a consistent bootloader

those change based on the SoC designer

[full fossil]

RiscV is way above my head

[full fossil]

There are only few bootloader, grub and some other ones xd idk what you mean

[slate tulip]

https://makealinux.app/#/

a primary issue being that everyone who gets into Linux wants to package up existing applications and make a new distro, rather than contribute to existing distros

[oak goblet]

https://manjaro.org/download/ look at the number of different device-specific images for Manjaro if you select ARM

[manic torrent]

Most people don't understand why or what a distribution of Linux really is

[manic torrent]

So what though?

These are not hand built. It's neither here nor there.

[slate tulip]

I think there's a lot of young people who see making a new distro of linux as a sort of way to get famous fast in the linux community, but really, unless you are making me Alpine but with systemd - there's isn't a lot of need for a new distro

[oak goblet]

many of the on-die components on various ARM SoCs, such as the Mali GPU, VPU, and other DSPs require non-free, closed source userspace blobs and firmware, which are only compatible with a small range of Linux kernel versions

[full fossil]

It's Manjaro fault for not making installer that would detect and download correct packages for the device, not Linux problem, people are just really shit at making useful software

[oak goblet]

these kernel versions are often years behind mainline linux

[manic torrent]

Which is why dkms wrappers exist.

[oak goblet]

most of them have boot processes that are proprietary, with hardware on non-discoverable buses

that means Broadcom's boot process is different from Allwinners, etc.

[manic torrent]

Yes, and it isn't ideal, but what's the point?

[oak goblet]

and it can even change between SoCs within a single company

[manic torrent]

Most people, as a rule, don't install an OS, ever.

[slate tulip]

I'd suggest trying Linkedin

[oak goblet]

the point is that x86 has UEFI/BIOS and PCIe to standardize all that, which makes device support trivial for an OS

if Windows transitions to ARM, and each OEM is using SoCs with different boot processes, do you understand the absolute pain in the ass it will be for Microsoft to ensure OEMs image their PCs with the correct, SoC-matched OS image?

[full fossil]

windows had arm version for years btw, and it sucks :V

[full fossil]

cave people

[oak goblet]

I installed my first OS when I was 7

I installed Windows Vista Ultimate in a VM on my first-gen MacBook Pro

[full fossil]

i only started pc stuff when o was 11 xd and coding only when i was 18

[slate tulip]

which doesn't change what he said 😛 Most people don't ever install an operating system

most people buy a laptop or PC with an OS pre-installed, use it until it dies, then throw it away and buy a new one with a pre-installed OS

[oak goblet]

I'm only a hobby coder now, switched out of Comp Sci after my first year at uni

but that doesn't answer what I said, where it becomes a giant problem for system integrators and OEMs?

[wanton glade]

'sup goofy

[oak goblet]

the people who SELL you your PC install OSes every single day

[slate tulip]

and they aren't "most people"

and also, they don't, lol

most likely they have automation that just throws an image on a hard disk, there isn't a line of techs manually installing that OS

[manic torrent]

all the current ARM stuff is embedded. This isn't rocket surgery to fix.

[full fossil]

these are the same people who use instagram and probably think sun spins around earth xD

[manic torrent]

but as I said, people buy devices with OSes pre-installed

[manic torrent]

no they don't.

[slate tulip]

I disagree. There are people who are very smart and educated, but they just aren't into technology

I have an aunt who is a doctor, she is super smart - just not for technology

[manic torrent]

ehhhh, I expect a fucking minimum. It's 2023. Everything is IT.

[slate tulip]

I couldn't run my own doctor's practice

[inner locust]

nahh my grandma still uses her lil nokia from 20 years ago and she's perfectly fine without knowing how to install OS

[slate tulip]

So? They can use a computer just fine. But why learn to install an OS if you can just buy one pre-installed?

[timid meadow]

You dont gotta build a pc. You do, however, need to know what someone says when they say "rename a file" or "go download x from this website"

[oak goblet]

you understand that there's a difference between an OEM having a Windows 11 Home image and a Windows 11 Pro image on x86, and for ARM needing to have an image for every SoC/GPU/hardware variation they have in a product, and having a system to ensure the right image out of those 20 permutations is flashed on the right assembly line

[inner locust]

nope, I asked guy who sells pcs every day to give me powercord and he gave me a charger...

that was fun

[slate tulip]

I can change a starter or alternator in my car after watching a youtube video - but rebuilding my engine is a bit outside of my expertise. Doesn't mean I'm dumb, just that I have skills in some areas, and not all of them

and I'm more likely to buy a new car, then trying to build one from scratch

[full fossil]

maybe its fine for now, but not being even a bit in tech later would be considered a disability for sure xD

[dull granite]

YESSS

The UK is gonna split

[inner locust]

wut

[full fossil]

into how many parts?

[wraith sonnet]

kekw I do

[inner locust]

poor queen

shes still rebooting and they already made her country smaller

[slate tulip]

as was previously mentioned - there's a difference between being able to understand things like "download a file" or "copy this file" and building your own PC from scratch and installing an operating system

[near nymph]

Mhmm... Politics?

[oak goblet]

it's not like people have never installed OSes before

[slate tulip]

again, what was said was most people

[oak goblet]

it was only like 10 years ago that people stopped buying their OS in a box at Best Buy or the Apple Store

millions of people bought Windows 95 and 98 and so forth and installed and upgraded their own computers

[manic torrent]

I can rebuild my engine, my PC, my software, build custom electronics, design a crane, paint a wall, drive a car, parent a child, make a video, learn, teach, take instruction, give instruction, lead, follow....

[oak goblet]

people bought Mac OS X Leopard at the Apple Store

[manic torrent]

10 years? longer than that my friend.

[oak goblet]

the Microsoft Store literally sold boxed copies of Windows 8

[inner locust]

bro everyone I know just called someone technical to do it for them

theh have no idea

[slate tulip]

there's a lot of little things that you take for granted that just aren't necessary for operating a computer that you need to know to install an OS - what IP are you going to give your computer, or does it use DHCP? What is DHCP? Why is my computer name important? What is a filesystem and partitioning and why does it matter? etc

[slate tulip]

That's awesome, but you also aren't most people

[timid meadow]

People stopped buying box copies long before that. Cant you still technically get win11 boxes? So by that definition they never stopped

[oak goblet]

there's a reason title.wma is an iconic music track, it's because people installed Windows XP

[manic torrent]

oh, absolutely not

[slate tulip]

Eh, I doubt that. Everyone I knew bought a PC with windows 98 preinstalled from some company like Gateway, or something

[manic torrent]

Anyway, the point is that what you think is a dealbreaking problem, is really neither here nor there.

[oak goblet]

what did they do with their Windows 95 PCs?

[slate tulip]

in fact, apart from myself or my step-dad, I didn't know a single person that had ever installed an OS or opened their own computer, growing up

[slate tulip]

idk, I was much younger when 95 was popular 😛

[amber cairn]

Oh yes the anecdote that proves your point, how rare.

[slate tulip]

only to match the equal anecdote presented as fact ;)

[manic torrent]

You also have to remember - there simply weren't as many computers in those days

[timid meadow]

Same. My grandma owned the main computer i used. But she didnt know anything about it and didn't wanna learn. Any viruses were my aunt and is fault, not the 300 toolbars she installed lol

[amber cairn]

the market was predominantly enthusiasts because it was an emerging market in a sense.

[inner locust]

bruh when someone sends message discord just scrools up to yesterday...

[full fossil]

ik that, i just mean as long as u can use it, and just knowing super basics like whats a disk, maybe whats a partition, and how to read some terminology, so u could press next on a installer xD
its same as knowing whats a wheel and what oils u need to change, or whats a spark plug, so ur car works,

[full fossil]

u write too fast xD

[slate tulip]

I type at a linux console all day for a living 😛

[amber cairn]

I love how the litmus test of computer literacy is literally going sudo apt install neofetch

[oak goblet]

I have linux but I don't actually do much with linux

I just remind myself that bash prompts exist I guess

[timid meadow]

I technically have linux. Unraid requires linux experience sometimes

[strange elk]

Man I love anc but fuck these galaxy buds..

[slate tulip]

Dylan Araps is literally the only internet stranger that I've seen write good bash

[manic torrent]

saying bash makes me cringe though, because your shell isn't always bash

[slate tulip]

There's some people in my Bash Discord that write great bash

[full fossil]

I have a 3070, should i buy a 1440p or 1080p monitor?

[strange elk]

My shell is almost always bash

[timid meadow]

Plus wsl in windows. I just dont do much more linux config then i have to

[amber cairn]

1440p, you're wasting money if you're getting a 3070 and only running it in 1080p

[oak goblet]

you should buy a 1440p monitor in general

[manic torrent]

when it isn't though, things can go wrong

[slate tulip]

Meh. other shells often aren't worth it - bash is ubiquitious enough. And when I say "Bash", I mean, the binary, bash, interpreting the code

[full fossil]

mines fish, i love it so much xP

[inner locust]

8k
jk 1440p looks way nicer but make sure it has more than 60Hz

[slate tulip]

not just "bash" as a synonym for "any linux shell"

[full fossil]

Okay thanks!

[oak goblet]

my laptop has a 2060 Max-Q and even I'm getting a 1440p monitor

[slate tulip]

and specifically regarding Neofetch, and it's author Dylan Araps, it's bash:
https://github.com/dylanaraps/neofetch/blob/master/neofetch#L1

[manic torrent]

oh I know that, I've just been burned 🙂

[full fossil]

My laptop has iris 5200 and i have 2880x1800

[full fossil]

posix shell i think OwO

[slate tulip]

Not a fan of bourne shell

[inner locust]

my laptop has 4000 series and 720p display

[slate tulip]

or most other shells tbh

[inner locust]

intel hd 4000

[strange elk]

Anyone else just having issues with galaxy buds pro 2 not charging half the time? Thats my biggest issue aside from them constantly slipping from the seal. Really miss my old airpods lmao

[full fossil]

1366x768 the best resolution

[oak goblet]

https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/alienware-34-curved-qd-oled-gaming-monitor-aw3423dwf/apd/210-bfrp/monitors-monitor-accessories get this monitor it is literally the best

[slate tulip]

sh is very limited, and other shells just are missing feature or aren't ubiquitous enough. If I write something in bash, it can be run almost anywhere, and if we hire someone with linux experience, they can work with it and maintain it

[inner locust]

nooo I cant have all eclipse stuff on screen and see code

[full fossil]

I don’t speak canada

[slate tulip]

if I write something in KSH or CSH, only older sysadmins will be able to work with it, and likewise, only much younger people, and only some of them at that, will be familiar with ZSH, Fish, etc

[oak goblet]

it's the curved QD-OLED that LTT keeps showing in videos

[oak goblet]

I'm so sorry for your loss

[slate tulip]

but bash is common to everything, and installed by default

[inner locust]

buy 32:9 1440p monitor

[full fossil]

826 euro for a monitor yeah nah

[full fossil]

mine was 1300

Why?

[slate tulip]

and really, there's no reason for POSIX compliance in 2023, not in your shell. If it's compliant with a decent minimum bash version, you hit 90% of all major linux distros anyway that it doesn't matter

[strange elk]

$1300 for a 1440p monitor are you fucking insane

[full fossil]

i look at a monitor more than anywhere else, so why wouldn't i buy the best xD

[amber cairn]

That's why I got sony linkbuds S instead, a better fit and they're overall a better cross-platform package

[oak goblet]

it's 175Hz, FreeSync Premium, QD-OLED, Ultrawide

[strange elk]

I only need it for my pixel 4

[slate tulip]

does your script use Bash 4 features or older? congrats, it will run in 90% of all linux distros that matter except base alpine

[inner locust]

if its wideee then it makes sense

[full fossil]

Because 1300 is more than my whole pc

[full fossil]

noo, its samsung g9

[inner locust]

but regular 16:9, nonono

[teal estuary]

only 90%?

[oak goblet]

it's 3440x1440p

[slate tulip]

meh, hyperbole. I could go an actually count I guess

[amber cairn]

What monitor are you looking at? The samsung G5 is max €350

[full fossil]

u will make that much in a week one day xP

[inner locust]

big boi, I want it

[teal estuary]

id figure it would be higher than 90%

[strange elk]

Yeah I'd rather buy 3 1440p 144hz IPS displays and run them that way for $850

[oak goblet]

effectively 21.5:9

[full fossil]

Probably not

[oak goblet]

you can use it to watch lawrence of arabia

[amber cairn]

are there even any streaming services that has IMAX/cinemascope?

[slate tulip]

Redhat, Suse, CentOS, Rocky Linux, ClearLinux, Oracle Linux - all come default with bash. We run some pfsense at work, that has a bash shell iirc. MacOS has a very old version of bash

[full fossil]

My max budget is 300 euro idk dollars

[slate tulip]

no one uses Gentoo, Arch, Manjaro, Mint, etc. in production

Hell, Solaris 11 has bash

[strange elk]

Arch?

[oak goblet]

Bravia Core and Disney+ have IMAX Enhanced content, but there's also content in the IMAX 1.43:1 aspect ratio on other services and on Blu-Ray

[amber cairn]

Look up an acer predator 1440p monitor there's probably a decent one for under €300

[slate tulip]

first thing i did in AIX and HP-UX was install Bash

[strange elk]

I'd think twice on that one

[slate tulip]

why? Who runs Arch in prod?

[full fossil]

The g5 is 270 euro

[strange elk]

Arch based distros are common in prod

[slate tulip]

what? Where? What companies?

[full fossil]

i use arch everywhere xP cuz good server setup would have at least one backup node somewhere, so it doesn't matter if something goes boom OwO

[teal estuary]

Ubuntu also uses bash by default afaik

or, i guess i should say Debian and Debian based things

[slate tulip]

oh, right. I didn't think to include it because it's my default

but you are right, I should have added that

[inner locust]

clearlinux? is it like free from bloat or?

[teal estuary]

Debian and its derivatives encompasses a lot of stuff

[slate tulip]

it's an Intel distro

but Azure, and AWS don't even have images for Arch last I looked. Might be some third-party image repos, maybe?

[teal estuary]

the entire RHEL family is also bash, which includes Fedora

[amber cairn]

wasn't that intel's own distro that somehow ran better on AMD hardware or something?

[full fossil]

adding emojies on my message without my permission will get punished by execution

[slate tulip]

in 10+ years, I've never heard of a company running Arch anywhere

[amber cairn]

might just be a clickbait title i remembered

[slate tulip]

probably. Last I heard, ClearLinux was optimized for Intel procs

[amber cairn]

nah i haven't seen arch used in prod either

[full fossil]

🔪

[slate tulip]

talked to the dude who was in charge of it, seemed like a nice guy

tried to float the idea of running it in prod, drinking our own champagne, but it didn't get much buy-in

[strange elk]

Do companies really not use arch? God thats surprising to me

[amber cairn]

why is that surprising?

[inner locust]

nah they use ubuntu

[slate tulip]

why would they? What does it offer over other options? Do they have paid support options?

[inner locust]

:(

[teal estuary]

so, you made an assertion about something you didnt actually know?

[full fossil]

most companies dont know how to even follow agile

[amber cairn]

ubuntu has a robust b2b business behind it so you actually have someone you can call and yell at when shit breaks

[slate tulip]

We are running Ubuntu LTS and Rocky Linux atm, although transitioning away from Ubuntu towards Rocky

[strange elk]

Apparently I was mistaken.

[teal estuary]

im in this sentence, and i dont like it

[slate tulip]

better than a majority of people on the internet if you can admit that - I respect you more now :)

[teal estuary]

i use Ubuntu LTS on all my stuff, curious on what the reasoning is to move to Rocky

[strange elk]

I'm stubborn but can admit when I'm wrong

[slate tulip]

Boss hates snap and we've been burned by cononical

like MaaS sucks butt

[strange elk]

I guess its not THAT surprising considering all the support behind Debian but at the same time I always coined Arch as more enterprise focused

[inner locust]

maybe proprietary stuff if they have some? idk ubuntu works great for me

[oak goblet]

is there a reason Rocky and not AlmaLinux?

[slate tulip]

but it was implemented before either of us were there

[near nymph]

I hate Snap...

[teal estuary]

yea, at least one of those checks out

that being snap

[slate tulip]

wasn't my decision, idk

[inner locust]

snaps are weird

[teal estuary]

im, not a fan of snap myself

my snap firefox pisses me off sometimes

[slate tulip]

The idea behind snaps is fine tbh

[teal estuary]

discord too

[oak goblet]

are flatpaks any better?

[teal estuary]

one of the main reasons im using Linux instead of windows is so that i can control when updates happen

[inner locust]

I type in terminal apk install firefox and it gives me snap version

[slate tulip]

but forcing updates with no option to allow the admins to choose when to update, and the forcing it's use for production software like MaaS is a bad move

[inner locust]

noooo thank you

[teal estuary]

snap just updates and firefox says we need to restart, fuck you and what you are doing

[slate tulip]

also, it doesn't work with NFSv3, which is dumb

[strange elk]

Oh yikes, I have even more reasons to avoid snap now

[inner locust]

ye

[near nymph]

I like Linux because fuck Microsoft sometimes

[teal estuary]

NFSv4?

[oak goblet]

I like WSL because it makes Linux safe enough for the public to use

[slate tulip]

we had a MaaS cluster at one point, which all of our VMs were dependent upon. Snap updated one of the cluster nodes, and not the other. This broke the cluster and they got out of sync - it was a mess

[inner locust]

linux allows me to uninstall default browser

[oak goblet]

otherwise I don't think the average person should be trusted with alternative OSes

[slate tulip]

and nothing we could have done

[near nymph]

Why even... Firefox is awesome

[oak goblet]

truthfully, Windows dominance is for the public's own good

[amber cairn]

WSL is breakage-friendly if you mess up you just start all over again

[slate tulip]

not simply. We have a SAN that allows export of the storage as NFS, but only v3, not v4

such a pain

[strange elk]

Windows losing stability after a year pisses me off. Maybe its just me but I find Linux much more solid for long term use. Also I can do whatever the hell I want with it

[inner locust]

ye but I want to have an option if you get me

[slate tulip]

I love WSL, makes my job so much easier

[strange elk]

VR support needs to get a bit better on Linux though..

[oak goblet]

I use Linux because Wine has excellent backwards compatibility with Windows software, unlike Windows

[teal estuary]

fun fun

[slate tulip]

I used to love RoyalTS, but I tried it recently, and they don't support connecting to SSH through both a proxy and an ssh gateway, only either or

[amber cairn]

i'd like linux more if there were more reliable compatibility layer type solutions for creative software. Rn it's a lot more convenient for me to just run any linux stuff i want to do in WSL instead

[inner locust]

san andreas runs like a dream

[teal estuary]

consumer OS at its core vs server OS at its core

[strange elk]

San Andreas should be emulated in all honesty

[slate tulip]

@inner locust ooooh, you are reacting with diamonds

[inner locust]

yes

sorry habits

[slate tulip]

I was so confused, I thought someone kept reacting with like, an emote of just the world, and I was so confused as to what it meant 😆

no, a diamond makes a lot more sense than a random globe emote

[inner locust]

lulw

[teal estuary]

its a chicken and egg problem with that though
nobody wants to make the layer (or native build) if nobody will use it
and because there aren't the layers (or native builds) nobody wants to use Linux

[slate tulip]

that's... a word

[strange elk]

All of rockstars and volitions ports are hot garbage

[slate tulip]

😆

[inner locust]

btw is there any way to actually buy san andreas? other than physical copy

I dont want to play definitive hot garbage edition

[strange elk]

Steam. Maybe on console stores? Otherwise not sure.

[slate tulip]

anyway per the previous topic - if anyone is interested in writing good bash, we have good standards and experts on the bash discord, and all our scripts pass shellcheck ;)

[inner locust]

nope cant buy it on steam

[strange elk]

But physical copy is best because they dont remove the copyrighted shit from those

[teal estuary]

ima just keep scripting in python

[oak goblet]

I've been watching this old PBS show on Youtube, called The Computer Chronicles, and I gotta say I'm sad i was too young to experience PCMCIA cards, expandable laptops look cool

[slate tulip]

I like Python... I hate the state of packages and dependencies in python, and having to deal with virtual environments, etc.

[fossil frost]

i have a 10 year old laptop downstairs that has a pcmcia slot, and have had many computers with the slot... never once had a card to go in the slot 😄

[strange elk]

Oh god Python dependencies are pain

[inner locust]

I have express card slot on my daily driver

[fossil frost]

physical copies still have a licence, and those licences can still be revoked

[full fossil]

So do y’all just memorize the different languages or

[fossil frost]

try doing anything with javascript if you wanna see what dependency hell looks like

[slate tulip]

I'm working on a solution for bash at least - we are writing a library, and will package it with a script that will take your script, all the libraries it uses, and then output basically a "statically linked" copy that will be one single script with all the functions from the library you used so you don't have to distribute the library with the script

[strange elk]

Point is with older gen games they can't remove content from physical copies

Hence emulation

[slate tulip]

programming languages? Nah. The trick is to memorize concepts

[fossil frost]

no, a good software developer (note, i didnt say coder or programmer), knows "how to program", the language is just a toolkit and most can be picked up in minutes to hours if you know "how to program"

[strange elk]

Granted you dont get the same mods as PC but you can still manage visual overhauls

[slate tulip]

you can google syntax, but you have to understand the concepts you need to google

[amber cairn]

I just think that Linux has been catering to their core user base which is essentially programmers who also very much like to game on their machines without dual-booting. Linux is probably the opposite of a versatile well-rounded solution for something outside of the IT/Gaming space. Sure it's a self-fulfilling prophecy but that there's so little effort to try and accommodate users with more diverse needs speaks a lot for how windows and macOS have catered to more industries.

[inner locust]

google searching actually isnt easy sometimes

[slate tulip]

right, that's what I'm saying

[full fossil]

Google search is fucking ass these days

[amber cairn]

chatGPT is going to make google actually have to put effort into their search engine again

[slate tulip]

if you google "introspection" it's pretty unique and will often get you what you are looking for... if you know that's what you need to search for

[fossil frost]

yep, you need to know what you are looking for... and that is what you need in your head... you cant find something if you dont know the basics

[inner locust]

bing is still weird

[amber cairn]

and not just give you 12 relevant searches then endless ads

[full fossil]

ad
ad
ad
ad
Result that isn’t right
Result that’s close
ad
Drop down boxes

[strange elk]

I noticed this, pretty hilarious if I'm honest

[slate tulip]

otoh, I get annoyed when people ask "What is WSL?" and if you literally copy and paste that verbatim into Google, the top result is the answer

[manic torrent]

Also people severely underestimate the man-decades involved in windows and Mac user interface design yadda yadda

[inner locust]

wsl is waffles lemons

[slate tulip]

Yup. I can write a lot of scripts and some code. I couldn't write an interface for them to save my life

[manic torrent]

Learn to Google, yodelo hee hoo.

[slate tulip]

making a GUI is a lot of work. Making a good GUI is even more

[strange elk]

Dont learn to google, just use ai

[full fossil]

I use duckduck at this point because google is insufferable with the ads

[fossil frost]

teams of 1000s of people, spending 2-3 years on a "basic" redesign that "slightly" improves workflow

[full fossil]

Ive been messing with linux mint in a virtual machine for a few hours now to see if i like it and im not used to an OS being so snappy and responsive. Windows literally feels sluggish compared to this...

[teal estuary]

its still a chicken and egg problem
shit, even my company only have supports Linux, and im very salty about that
we support it as a runtime, our creation tools dont, so, its like, well fuck me, i wanna use linux
there was an effort to get the creation tools working on linux, keyword was

[inner locust]

I like how its called windows subsystem for Linux even tho they give you linux on windows

[amber cairn]

UX is a profession in and of it self for a reason

[full fossil]

Loading youtube and everything seems quicker

Opening stuff feels snappier

[amber cairn]

Dropping the ball is also a very deliberate action

[manic torrent]

Food tastes better

[amber cairn]

which leads the software to a more niche focused usecase but again it's not that versatile in the grand scheme of things

[fossil frost]

you should never be "i wanna use linux"... thats your problem... you should always be "i want to use whatever tool will let me do the job in the best way i can do it"

[teal estuary]

in this case, not a fault of management that it got dropped, can blame them for not picking it back up though

[strange elk]

Its a subsystem of windows that hosts Linux, but yeah

[oak goblet]

just use FreeBSD

just use GNU/Hurd

[inner locust]

aaa whiteee get away from me

[manic torrent]

Apparently 3 year old monitors might as well be junk, according to this guy

[full fossil]

Why is windows so bad and costs $140-200 when linux is free and better

[teal estuary]

Windows gets in my way more than Linux does. If i had the option, i would prefer to use Linux. I don't have that option and and am forced to use Windows.

[manic torrent]

That ... Isn't how things work.

[full fossil]

Windows is literally free

[inner locust]

Im using 12 year old monitor and I think some capacitors died, Ill check that

[inner locust]

ads

[full fossil]

You can use it for free

[slate tulip]

windows so bad
subjective
costs $140-200
Microsoft wants a return on investment

[strange elk]

Windows you pay money to license and still get ads. Its funny.

[full fossil]

yes but thats very easily fixable, as there is no company that directly decides what is developed,
people or company can develop that if they needed it, and i think people need it now more than ever, and a super user friendly linux for common user will rise xP

[fossil frost]

im not getting any further into this conversation now, some people are clearly idiots or trolls or fanboys (which is an amalgamation of troll AND idiots)

[oak goblet]

I'm convinced that in 5-10 years, Windows will be a Linux distro and Win32 will just be an API for writing software for that distro. Embrace extend extinguish

[fossil frost]

its funny that ive never once seen an ad in windows...

[inner locust]

I dont want to see instagram and tiktok on os that I paid

like out of the box

[strange elk]

do you not remember tiles? Candy crush and all that shit

I mean I use open shell so its a non issue for me

[oak goblet]

I got a new Samsung T7 SSD but I dunno what to put on it

[inner locust]

win 11 in their "start menu" has random apps like instagram, disney plus, hulu, tiktok...

[full fossil]

Your OS

[graceful burrow]

Windows 10 had apps like that installed new too kek

[full fossil]

Just turn off the smart stack, they go away

[oak goblet]

my OS is already on an NVMe SSD

[graceful burrow]

This isn't new

[slate tulip]

I mean, I have a desktop and 2 laptops with windows 11, I've never had random shit installed like that

[full fossil]

Install it again

[full fossil]

It’s OEM junk

[strange elk]

And 8 before it.

[slate tulip]

are you sure it's windows and not a shitty OEM reseller doing that?

[timid meadow]

The problem here is the same problem apple vs android has though. When you say windows you primarily mean 1 or 2 os tops. when you say linux, that encompasses thousands of operating systems all with different use cases

[inner locust]

I know but just Im sure that my thing is real and still there

[oak goblet]

Windows 98 is bullshit adware, there are ads for Warner Bros and Disney on my desktop for no fucking reason what the hell

[slate tulip]

kind of like when you buy a cheap android from ATT instead of samsung or google?

[strange elk]

Samsung is literally one of the worst offenders for bloat

[full fossil]

They used to be even worse, which is somehow shocking

Back in the early S series days, good fucking lord

[strange elk]

Ive heard its gotten better but its still bad

[oak goblet]

Samsung is my favorite chaebol, if I had to let any chaebol have unilateral control over Korea it would be them

[timid meadow]

My s10 had an unbearable amount of bloat between samsung and sprint

[fossil frost]

phones used to be cheaper too... imagine the price of a phone without being subsidised by that shite samsung put on their phones..

[oak goblet]

fun fact: Samsung in Korea sells life insurance

for when your phone explodes and kills you

[full fossil]

Everything used to be cheaper

[inner locust]

xiaomi has tool to unlock bootloader, even tho they are chinese company, kinda weird

[fossil frost]

ok? so do ford... in most of the world... and various other insurances... its called "diversification"

[strange elk]

I got this pixel 4 for under $200. It'll last me years, aside from the fact Verizon is fucking ASS and LOCKS THE BOOTLOADERS

[oak goblet]

literally my point about the problem with ARM SoCs

a "locked bootloader" should not exist on a general-purpose CPU

[fossil frost]

the pixel, that is heavily subsidised by one of the worlds richest companies, to make sure people buy more of their phones, so they can harvest more data from you and use that for advertising?

[inner locust]

but you can have unlocked bootloader on arm

[full fossil]

I mean shit the original razr was $500 and locked you into a contract

[inner locust]

even macbooks have it

[oak goblet]

there should not even be an option to lock the bootloader

the software, the firmware and the hardware must be free

[inner locust]

I agree with this but i have no solution :(

[strange elk]

Its the phone that met most of my needs. USB C, water resistant, high performance, cheap, small form factor, and it has a couple neat features on top of it.

[inner locust]

how to force companies to give me freedom

[oak goblet]

that's discussing politics unfortunately

[strange elk]

Yes it's google, but it meets my needs (mostly)

[fossil frost]

yet you have complained about bloat and being spied on and advertised to... literally what the pixel is designed to do

[full fossil]

That’s what all phones do at this point

[strange elk]

This phone doesn't have jack shit. Google photos is ass but other than that most everything else is fine

And I didn't say anything about privacy

[inner locust]

broo xiaomi gives me more privacy for some reason because they have that thing to unlock bootloader

[strange elk]

Also pixel phones you can unlock the bootloader by default from google. Its just Verizon that sucks

Happened to be the model I got

[inner locust]

google allows that?

[strange elk]

Mhm

[inner locust]

weird for them

[strange elk]

Honestly it even seems somewhat encouraged in an indirect way oddly enough

[full fossil]

Can't wait for the new internet age xP

[inner locust]

only blink allowed

[full fossil]

Can’t wait for the current internet system to fucking die

[manic torrent]

Uhhh that's wrong. Also, pixel 4 is ancient for phones.

[full fossil]

Ikr

[strange elk]

Pixel 4 did just lose major update support last october

[fossil frost]

google do subsidise the pixel, or they did in the 1/2/3/4, not sure above 5 upwards... thats why they are so cheap for their spec compared to everything else around them

[manic torrent]

Priced a pixel 7? Expensive af

[fossil frost]

they have a market share now, dont need to subsidise anymore

[inner locust]

fun

everything is just great

[strange elk]

I wish I could just like.. Build my own phone

[inner locust]

you can but its expensive

[strange elk]

My own specs, size, port selection whatever

[full fossil]

Consume
Consume
Consume

Just give me an iphone 13 mini with a flat back, usb c, and a headphone jack and I’d probably never upgrade unless it broke

[inner locust]

hate it, even if something good comes up, I cant buy it in this forgotten country

im stuck on chinese stuff

[strange elk]

I'd love a mini iPhone, I planned on getting the 14 mini assuming it was released and had USB C, but.. Yeah. Also jailbreaking...

Hate that I need to do that to get the features I want from my os

[full fossil]

Apple are fucking clowns for thinking the 14 plus was a better idea than a 14 mini

[neon mesa]

USA Freedom is taking freedom from phones

[inner locust]

I like big boi phones but I know a lot of people who hate them

[full fossil]

Went from making the only good small phone on the market to making just another big phone

[strange elk]

I hate that phones are getting largerm this thing konda siucks to type on compared to my iPhone se 2016, which was what I had last

LOVED that thing. Perfect size for me, and had basically everything I needed

[inner locust]

this world doesnt need gaming phones, it needs compact ones

[full fossil]

But I need a gaming fan for my gaming phone so I can play genshin

[amber cairn]

They're all based on very similar foundations I don't buy this argument. It's just that the weakness of how the linux market is built is that more niche purposes outside of the traditional IT realm doesn't get any attention. Also design language and UX becomes unfocused because a legion of people with very separate visions are all trying to steer the rudder.

[inner locust]

again that is not big problem to me because I have big hands but I want them to exist

[fossil parrot]

Pretty true and not true

[strange elk]

I want my phone to be able to handle Warframe. I'm hoping this one can do it. Thats the biggest draw with performamce for me aside from longevity

[inner locust]

ye it needs gaming phones but not just that

[fossil parrot]

We need a balance betwen

[inner locust]

that was my point

sorry

[amber cairn]

Samsung with their galaxy flips have attracted a big market for that. I know a lot of especially lady friends who really like the clamshell design

[strange elk]

Like clearly its possible to have a super small form factor high performance phone. Apple did it for years.

[full fossil]

The flip is cool, folding tech still has so far to go though tbh

[fossil parrot]

The hinge is pretty strong for the thin phone

[inner locust]

I dont like extra steps

[strange elk]

Galaxy flip is too TALL though

[inner locust]

and problem with big phones is that some people cant reach other end of screen

[fossil parrot]

Get a nokia then bro 💀

[amber cairn]

Come on people used flip phones for years without caring as long as the mechanism is robust and the screen isn't shit it's probably fine enough

[full fossil]

Yeah the screen’s the problem innit

[amber cairn]

exactly, it'll need a few more iterations but it's getting there relatively fast

[fossil parrot]

The sreen is like welded shut to the frame

[inner locust]

fold is cool

[strange elk]

Like is it too hard to ask for another phone like the SE, a budget high performance small form factor phone with a headphone jack and USB C? Thats literally all I ask

[fossil parrot]

Apple is not that

They want money

[inner locust]

made in california

[teal estuary]

yes, it is, because fuck you and your reasonable wants

[amber cairn]

There's probably some market data we're not privy to that say that "sleeper" phones with great specs eat at the market share for the higher margin low-level flagships

after all the goal is to upsell you to a higher margin higher price model

preferrably the 1 TB ultra phone or pro MAX

[fossil parrot]

Apple is saving money by not buying usb c and the headphone jack it's like audi buying engs

[manic torrent]

That's pretty much the dumbest take

[timid meadow]

Everything in programming is based on a similar foundation. The argument holds in the fact that by saying Linux you could be referring to android, unraid, Truenas, or the micro pc running on a factory floor. Windows is a mainly desktop OS. If you want better linux, you can go make it yourself. But noone who wants the support wants to do the work beyond their own system, which would then become a ditro in and of itself if they released their image with their own custom tweaks

[strange elk]

Like I dont give a shit about wireless charging (this pixel 4 can't even do it lmao good job google), super high quality cameras, refresh rates higher than 60, and whatever the hell niche use case things are available. NFC I need but thats basically standard at this point

[amber cairn]

No, Apple got a % of any peripheral sold with a lightning connector so a big 3rd party lightning market was basically passive income for them.

[south stone]

Trying to find a $10 gadget to put in my newegg cart, any ideas? Already did a usb flash drive and mousepad

[fossil parrot]

But hey they are saving money

[teal estuary]

wireless charging is nice, its the one thing id now like if my pixel 5a had, because my car has a wireless charger in it

[wind pulsar]

Uhuh

[fossil parrot]

I meant bmw sorry

Makes there own because it's more cost effective

[wind pulsar]

Wtf?

[strange elk]

Like id like it if it fit, my 4 HAS the capability but somewhere along the line it got broken I think software side as MANY users have this issue and so its like whatever

[wind pulsar]

How is one able to swap goalpoasts from Apple to BMW who doesn't even make phones just because of their stupid take

[amber cairn]

How much do you think an USB-C port costs per phone when they already offer the port on all their ipads already

there's already supplychain established for it, they just wanted to milk the lightning connector for a bit more

[fossil parrot]

Well they cost cents but when you make more the cents start to stack up

[strange elk]

The only apple devices that dont have C are the airpods and iphones. Thats it.

[amber cairn]

So you believe the economy of scale is better on a lightning port than a usb-c port????

well then

[strange elk]

That and they made royalties on their shitty lightning connector

With MFI certification

[wind pulsar]

This thing DOESN'T have USB-C

[slate tulip]

The best solution atm is contributing to open source projects. I have a lot of just random small contributions, like adding Graylog support to syslog-ng

[wind pulsar]

But these two do

[full fossil]

Should i do 4tb to Linux mint and 8tb to windows 11 or 8tb to linux mint and 4tb to windows 11

[strange elk]

Prob 8tb windows 11 because compatibility. You'll probably be using windows more

[timid meadow]

I wouldn't give windows any more then like 4tb of my data tops. And all of that data needs to be elsewhere too

[fossil parrot]

Look myself i have a usb c samsung not an apple but for there phones it might be mote cost affective

[wind pulsar]

No, lmfao

The lightning cable is literally more expensive to make than usb-c

[timid meadow]

Because remember kids, windows hates windows more then you ever will

[wind pulsar]

Reflected by them being literally more expensive than most usb-c cables

[strange elk]

MFI certification

[full fossil]

True

I want to think ill use linux more but the reality is i probably will use windows more

The lightning cable is also more resilient than usb c tbh

The connector itself
The apple branded cables not included

[strange elk]

How it always goes for me sadly. I have the same thoughts though

[fossil parrot]

It's maybe less to make there own in the factory and not buy them

[wind pulsar]

Who gives a fuck if they are if they increase the price anyway

They just want to milk the damn connector, has nothing to do with costsavings

[full fossil]

Is there any way to de bloat windows 11 and create a local account?

Reinstall a fresh copy

[strange elk]

Yeah the lightning connector is more robust I'll give it that, but compatibility is shit, and I have this issue where arcing causes carbon buildup on my cables

[full fossil]

And?

That’s it?

[strange elk]

It happened with my iPod touch 6 and my SE

[full fossil]

What in the

[full fossil]

Whats the steps to do a local account and de bloat it man

Dude I just gave you the steps, that’s all you have to do

[strange elk]

Think they mean remove a load of stock apps and such

[fossil parrot]

Well money that they want thats all so i think they tryna do something with the cost

[full fossil]

Put a fresh copy of windows 11 on a usb drive and install it

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11?ranMID=24542&ranEAID=kXQk6*ivFEQ&ranSiteID=kXQk6.ivFEQ-NH3PI00AodaCCh7KlBHGUg&epi=kXQk6.ivFEQ-NH3PI00AodaCCh7KlBHGUg&irgwc=1&irclickid=_z0keysh3wskf6nkp133xftfux32xrcvu0svqhe0l00

Holy link length batman

You arent answering my question you are just saying install windows 11

[strange elk]

Check out this https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/zoyqhc/tiny11_with_rectify11_and_startallback_installed/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[full fossil]

You could debloat it manually or just do a fresh install

[full fossil]

Whats a fresh install got to do with debloating all the pre installed microsoft bloat?

Plus they hard force an online account now. Im asking how to bypass that

Bruh
Windows is microsoft bloat

[strange elk]

Honestly I'd recommend 10 over 11 anyway

[full fossil]

Why

[strange elk]

Stability is the main reason as far as im concerned, and without startallback productivity reasons because the new right click prompts are shit.

I got startallback and kinda regret it as I went back to 10 anyway

But yeah check out tiny10/tiny11

Good luck with support though if you get issues

[full fossil]

Whats tiny10/11

[strange elk]

Basically rebuilt windows to be as small as possible

[slate tulip]

I like 11, and WSLg is great

[full fossil]

I thought 11 was better than 10

[strange elk]

Then use tiny11

Or Smth idk

[fossil parrot]

Im staying on 10 until they force me to damn it

[strange elk]

I also hated the rounded borders just because it made resizing windows fucking IMPOSSIBLE

[graceful burrow]

Been fine for me /shrug

[strange elk]

It was a huge frustration I had with it. Otherwise I loved 11

[graceful burrow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strange elk]

If it weren't for that and stability I'd be using it now

[graceful burrow]

Works on my machine tm

[slate tulip]

[slim mirage]

Wslg?

[strange elk]

Stability is probably fine by now but sticking to 10 in the meantime. Much as I want that juicy terminal fully supported

[manic torrent]

I.... Haven't noticed a problem at all. You can also change it.

[strange elk]

I didn't know this

[slim mirage]

Haven't switched to it as I can't get small taskbar to work without stuff not fitting on the screen correctly

[slate tulip]

Windows 11 now has native support for Linux GUIs (in WSL) :)

[strange elk]

Honestly it would be fine with the rounded corners, I love how that looks but the hitbox for the resize also changed which was an issue for me

[slim mirage]

Oh nice I think I tried to get it like a month ago but it would launch just a black square lol

[slate tulip]

Works fine for me

[strange elk]

WSLg does sound pretty amazing...

[slim mirage]

I think I was using 10 and trying some not official way to do it

[strange elk]

Maybe after my next hardware upgrade I'll move to 11 again, see what its like

Storage is the last upgrade I need on my PC for a while

[neon mesa]

umm... the "hitbox" for resize is still a square and they're not microscopic

they're big

[full fossil]

What about 4tb to win 11 and 4tb to linux then share the last ssd with 2tb partitions to each OS?

[neon mesa]

i think it's a placebo

[strange elk]

It is? Maybe its just how I perceived it because I feel I have to grab the edge of the rounded bit

[strange elk]

Boot off the ssd with 2tb for each OS sounds like a fine idea

And honestly you can probably share those other 4tb between the OSes

[balmy lotus]

poop

lol

[strange elk]

Just need a compatible filesystem for both (not ext4)

[strange elk]

Thank you for your input

[balmy lotus]

i wanna hackintosh again'

ill map all my usbs i promis

[strange elk]

I have an AMD card now so I can :>

But after my storage upgrade

Doesn't windows 11 support BTRFS?

That should work

[full fossil]

No like each one has its own ssd for the OS but then an extra ssd with 2tb partitioned to each one for extra storage on a 4tb ssd

[full fossil]

Which amd card

[strange elk]

RX 6700

[strange elk]

Why would you do it that way?

[full fossil]

To prevent windows updates from overwriting anything linux related

[strange elk]

They wont

[inner locust]

yay you people are still alove

[full fossil]

Its the method they recommend to do on linux's site themselves

[strange elk]

Thats what partitions are for lmao

[full fossil]

So im just following instructions

[inner locust]

I just put linix partition first and I hope that windows cant overwrite that

[strange elk]

If windows and Linux were on the same partition... You'd have other issues

Windows can't read let alone write on a Linux one if its ext4

[inner locust]

by default*

[strange elk]

Yes, by default

[inner locust]

you can install that functionality later but by default windows is pretty dumb

[strange elk]

And even then its super hacky workarounds to get that to work

[inner locust]

literally linux can read a bunch of file systems and windows just his ntfs and fat

[strange elk]

I always when dual booting put both OSes on the same drive. Never had issues

[inner locust]

same bc laptop

[strange elk]

Windows can BOOT Linux because of the EFI partition however

But thats just how EFI works

[inner locust]

I just made systemd register win partition

:)

[strange elk]

I generally use grub but kinda prefer rEFInd

[inner locust]

Im not very familiar with grub and systemd works very good

like why fix it if ain broken

[strange elk]

I dont think ive used systemd. All oses ive used came with grub aside from my old arch install which I tried rEFInd on

[inner locust]

im on arch based distros

I wanted to try something debian based

but all package managers with gui are just crap

and that makes me sad

[strange elk]

Oh I just.. Use apt

[inner locust]

but I dont want tooo

I want guiiii

pamac is awesome (manjaro thing)

[strange elk]

Meh. Its how I learned and I like it

[inner locust]

ye and I respect that

but I want to use gui

I tried bunch of them

pop shop doesnt have every package listed, discover loves to fail on simple tasks and wont detect every flatpak

[strange elk]

I think I liked KDEs package manager most, not that ive used many

[inner locust]

I tried updating system using discover

[strange elk]

Discover. Rip

Oh I use apt for that.

[inner locust]

it failed
I typed cmd in terminal and it worked

[strange elk]

[inner locust]

only pamac is good.... why :(

[strange elk]

Thats just cause I dont usually use arch based distros. Debian is easier for me

[inner locust]

true

its easier

[strange elk]

I dont understand pacman

[zenith notch]

Who is Olivia | Hodmex Team?

[strange elk]

It dumb

[inner locust]

I have ubuntu server and its easier

than arch

and windows

[strange elk]

Arch was nice when I used it, but audio was fucking impossible for me

[inner locust]

samee

[strange elk]

I couldn't figure how to manage that right at all

[inner locust]

i fixed it somehow
black magic

[strange elk]

It kept defaulting to my rift S

[inner locust]

mine defaulted to broken laptop mic

that was fun

it also likes to randomly switch it

and then I have to restart whole system

[full fossil]

Amd is finally getting laptops with full amd cpu and gpu and they actually perform really damn good

Thinking about getting one for a work laptop

[inner locust]

omg

[full fossil]

What

[inner locust]

I now want it

that laptop

[full fossil]

Which one

[inner locust]

.

[balmy lotus]

chelsea

best team

[full fossil]

The only one i see so far is the alienware m17 r5

[inner locust]

price?

Im too lazy to google

[strange elk]

Its alienware

So probably not good

[inner locust]

oh its not that expensive actually, if it preforms good

[strange elk]

$2300

Thats like my desktop but more expensive

[inner locust]

oh wait I selected wrong thing

[full fossil]

$1500-2500 depending on specs

[strange elk]

Oh 1400

[inner locust]

ye

[strange elk]

God thats dumb

[inner locust]

base config with nvidia card

[full fossil]

Notebookcheck gave it an overall score of 86/100

[inner locust]

3050

[full fossil]

It has really good reviews too and dell didnt do stupid dell stuff on it

[stable totem]

i hate motherboard prices

[strange elk]

Yeah fuck that

[inner locust]

I hate bread prices

[stable totem]

this makes 400$ new pc basically impossible

[inner locust]

too expensive here

[stable totem]

oh same. I have to pay 3 dollars

[inner locust]

yup exactly

[strange elk]

Don't get new. Buy last gen, much better prices and used market is a great outlet

[full fossil]

$1400 with apple gets you a macbook with an i5 processor and onboard graphics with 8gb ram and 128gb of storage

[inner locust]

here used to be like 25 cents 6 years ago

now its skyrocketing

[stable totem]

but they aren't though. The motherboards are shockingly expensive

[strange elk]

I'd prefer apple honestly, they have MAJOR optimizations that make even 8gb worth it

[stable totem]

the cheapest amd board is 80 dollars new. Looking at used ur lucky to find something cheaper.

[strange elk]

B450 rather than B550

Fair I guess

[inner locust]

does someone want to buy crappy am3 board?

[full fossil]

gotta lay low for a bit 🕵️‍♂️

[inner locust]

jk its probably like 5 dollars or smth

[strange elk]

Origin, my first PC cost $200. No GPU but really damn good

[stable totem]

used is a shitshow. I luckily found a working b450 for.... 5 dollars less than new

[full fossil]

I disagree. Every macbook i handled felt sluggish and slow, like my work computers at work. Click one thing wait forever for it to load

Even the new ones feel slow to me compared to what im used to

[stable totem]

my local used market is terrible. Facebook marketplace is all stuff that expensive. :c

[strange elk]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Void_Sentient/saved/#view=QVQPFT

Origin

[inner locust]

ssd made 2011 macbook pro feel snappy, but still it has 10.13 macos so bunch of software doesnt want to work

[cerulean canopy]

never buy used mobo if new ones are avalibile

mobos die quicker than cpus

[stable totem]

i'm saying you can't buy used at all

new is cheaper

[strange elk]

Used mobos are fine. Don't get used storage or PSUs though

[cerulean canopy]

well then dont buy from that seller

simple as that

[inner locust]

rob then ig

[stable totem]

people are high on the good stuff to think that their 4-5 year old motherboard is worth 90 dollars.

[inner locust]

comedians

[full fossil]

I bought a used hard drive one time and the guy didnt wipe it and the stuff i found was disturbing

[strange elk]

Origins mobo is kinda fucked actually, but that only happened after installing the GPU. I still dont know the cause

[cerulean canopy]

currently x299 mobos are cheaper than x99 on used market

[stable totem]

yep

[inner locust]

I hate that, stupid third gen laptop cpu is 50 dollars on used market...

[cerulean canopy]

tbh it makes sense doe
since you can get super cheap powerfull 2011v3 xeon on ebay

[stable totem]

i told my friends who needed something for 400-500 dollars. Go buy a playstation at best buy

[inner locust]

playstation doesnt support office :((((

[wanton glade]

skull issue

get a pc bro

[inner locust]

ye, kinda

[full fossil]

Ps2 with the linux disk and memory card supports office

[cerulean canopy]

you can make decent build for 500

[wanton glade]

[inner locust]

but its not cheap :(

[full fossil]

Ps2 is like 20 bucks linux disk is like 15 bucks

Memory card is like a buck. Thats stupid cheap

[inner locust]

in your country maybe

not here

[full fossil]

Where is here

[inner locust]

eastern europe

[cerulean canopy]

run linux vps and putty into it to use office

[full fossil]

Do you have a ps5

[wanton glade]

or buy a raspberry pi and install office

it works as far as I'm concerned

[full fossil]

Raspberry pie?

[inner locust]

oh wait

[wanton glade]

yeah

[full fossil]

countries are dumb concept created by human fear

[inner locust]

they are wayy cheaper now
like 50 dollars
niceee

[wanton glade]

skill issue

[cerulean canopy]

one small problem
they arent avalibile

[wanton glade]

pov : you are afraid of another human because he looks different

💀

[inner locust]

buy pi zero or whatever its name is

[stable totem]

yeah i can make an apu build and that's it. Still got shittastic pc case but it does the job

[wanton glade]

are they ?

[full fossil]

im gonna capture you in a jar and put you outside

[wanton glade]

unfortunately, I'll have you killed with venom before you even try (look behind you)

boo

you ded

[inner locust]

bro rip

[wanton glade]

lmao

[inner locust]

bro is dead asf

[wanton glade]

fr

[cerulean canopy]

idk
last week i found someone on here a used pc with ryzen 2700x and 2060

for 400 euro

[inner locust]

oh damn

[full fossil]

tsk tsk

[stable totem]

i'd to live where you at then

[wanton glade]

I got a used 5700xt 8700 32gb ram for 500

[inner locust]

omg he escaped gulag

[stable totem]

you can't find shit here

[wanton glade]

oh shit you cluthed the gulag, gg

[full fossil]

lol

[wanton glade]

lmao

[cerulean canopy]

used market around me is really plentiful
and i have access to private forum sales

[wanton glade]

whatcho doin bro

[inner locust]

bro I have to travel to another country to buy cheaper stuff

its not that far but still

[full fossil]

Extremely rare american w

[wanton glade]

lol

[cerulean canopy]

i can cross 4 countries in less than 4 hours

[inner locust]

american?

[full fossil]

Electronics are cheap here (relatively)

[stable totem]

cheapest motherboard i could find was a 185 dollar B550 aorus master

[full fossil]

A320 isn’t cheaper?

[wanton glade]

yes it is

[stable totem]

somebody was selling a b450 gaming plus max for 180

on facebook market place

[wanton glade]

bro. Just buy a prebuilt omen computer, they're cheap and of high quality 😄

[stable totem]

they are 60 dollars here lol

[wanton glade]

Hp computers can be trusted 😄 (absolutely not)

💀

[inner locust]

I have 10 year old hp laptop

[wanton glade]

'sup lin

[kindred coral]

You want to kill that person? 💀

[full fossil]

can spiders be trusted?

[wanton glade]

maybe, you don't have proofs

[cerulean canopy]

probooks are ok

[inner locust]

yes

[full fossil]

I’ll stand by omen build quality
Their bloat is absurd though

[kindred coral]

Knew you'll notice me, just bored

Bought hawaii pizza for lunch, yum

[wanton glade]

yeah I have one, it's fine

[kindred coral]

Actually I do 💀

[wanton glade]

I always notice my buddies

[wanton glade]

oh damn hawaiian ? That stuff is just soo good

[cerulean canopy]

last probook i had i was able to remove whole bottom cover and swap ram without tools
and it had socketed cpu

[full fossil]

Eh I’ve had my omen laptop for 3 years now and it’s survived 20 countries and ship life

[inner locust]

I have elitebook and I can swap cpu

[wanton glade]

I love to eat salty and sweet mixed

[wanton glade]

gg

[cerulean canopy]

elitebook is probook+

[kindred coral]

Yep, yep, I like pineapple on pizza, it's not bad at all

[kindred coral]

Sometimes sameee

[full fossil]

Pineapple user detected

[wanton glade]

yeah man that bloat is just 💀

[wanton glade]

yeah they can, how many person do you think spiderman saved ?

[inner locust]

beautiful

[oak goblet]

damn I'm surprised Wikipedia is only 88 Gigabytes

[wanton glade]

it's super good, people who say it's bad are weird

[cerulean canopy]

thats why you format the drive before use

[kindred coral]

Umu!

[full fossil]

The ENTIRETY of wikipedia is 88 gigabytes??

I could believe that for pure text

[oak goblet]

yeah, English Wikipedia with maxi images

mini images is ~40GB

[wanton glade]

lmao

[full fossil]

where were u when i needed help? 😭

Damn

[vivid cloak]

How to identify a legit rolex watch?

[full fossil]

Buy from rolex

[oak goblet]

With USB sticks it's actually completely feasible to carry Wikipedia with you

[vivid cloak]

...

[full fossil]

🤷‍♂️

[vivid cloak]

I'm trying to identify a already bought rolex.

[oak goblet]

these offline wikipedia dumps have even been used to smuggle information about the outside world to dissidents in North Korea, which is pretty awesome

[wanton glade]

I'm in France homie, can't be everywhere

[oak goblet]

imagine learning about free civilization from wikipedia

[full fossil]

Take it to a shop

[wanton glade]

buy a gpu instead 🤓

[cerulean canopy]

how hard could it be to smuggle micro sd card

[full fossil]

With cavity searches? Very

[oak goblet]

the point is that data storage has gotten very dense

[full fossil]

Santa Clause somehow manages it

[vivid cloak]

gpu don't last long but rolex does 😏 😎

[inner locust]

gpu can last 20 years

[full fossil]

Rolex is the poor man’s idea of luxury

[cerulean canopy]

put it in phone and use tape to cover contacts so its disconnected

[inner locust]

rolex on the other hand you have to wait 20 years to get

ridiculous