public-chat

[mint yacht]

The 4070 Ti had the same hardware as what should've been a 4060 whilst it was originally going to come out as a 4080 12GB

[polar fern]

I think it’s hilarious that you’re not going to try and seek some sort of customer satisfaction compensation.

[mint yacht]

It also is priced horrendously for the performance it gives

[indigo plume]

and say its worse than 4080

[dusty rune]

new world did make it explode

[wise goblet]

because they tried to sell it to us as a 4080, got clowned for that, changed the name to 4070ti and made it cheaper and it's still an overpriced unit

[full fossil]

4070 has such a trash memory bus it stutters at 4k

[cosmic coyote]

The price and yes performance

[mint yacht]

Remember the 4080 12GB got 'unlaunched' and then rebranded to 4070Ti lol

[indigo plume]

that dont exist over here u get ur money back thats about it

[cosmic coyote]

if it was cheaper sure no issues

[mint yacht]

But really, with what hardware it has, the 4070 Ti should actually be a 4060

[polar fern]

GN had a video on the capacitors causing an issue

[indigo plume]

its worse value than 7900xt tho

[wise goblet]

idk where you live but in Canada they're just gonna scoff at you and "transfer" your call to a dead line

[indigo plume]

7900xt should be cheap as well

[mint yacht]

Buildzoid also has an in-depth video going over the exact failure causes and the likes

[indigo plume]

never even heard of such a think

[cosmic coyote]

that card isnt a meme though

[polar fern]

you guys really never heard of consumer advocacy? Wow

[full fossil]

Are we sure it's a dead card???

[indigo plume]

how is 7900xt not a meme but 4070ti is

I dont understand

[cosmic coyote]

this comment is why

[polar fern]

4070 tie

[indigo plume]

4070ti looks better value than 7900xt

like where are the ppl hating on nvidia for bad value hating on amd for the same thing

ppl are just baised for amd these days it seems

[cosmic coyote]

there's always context nothing is in a vacuum

not at all

[polar fern]

I just don’t understand that you wouldn’t advocate for getting some sort of compensation for a shitty customer experience with a product.

[unkempt widget]

4070ti has a g3dmark/price of 35.54, compared to the 4080's 29.66 and the the 7900xt's 32.21

[indigo plume]

just seems like bull crap to hate completly shit on nvidia for a card but seems ppl dont even care about 7900xt

[polar fern]

What kind of fly by night company just sells dead cards to people

[cosmic coyote]

it just doesnt apply in this situation. its like buying a ferrari from a supercar dealer and saying its shit pay for my Lamborghini.

has nothing to do with them

[polar fern]

That is not at all what I am talking about

[indigo plume]

how is it the stores fault

[hollow pulsar]

If I owned a business, this really sounds like a deal to scam me.

[indigo plume]

its not their product they are just the supplier

[unkempt widget]

much of the hate on 4070ti is quite undue, but eh, the reason why the performance/price is so high compared to everything else is everything else sucks

[polar fern]

How is it a scam? You folks, really never heard of customer satisfaction really?

[mint yacht]

Because of the whole fiasco that happened with Nvidia 'unlaunching' its older name

[indigo plume]

still dont make sense to give amd slap on wrist

for a shit priced card

[cosmic coyote]

aight im going to sleep this chat is going around in circles

[unkempt widget]

i don't think people should complain about prices of nvidia
if the rtx 4090 is 1600
the rtx 4080 is 1200
the rtx 4070 ti is 800
that means the rtx 4070 will be 400
and the rtx 4060 will be free

[wise goblet]

nobody here is saying AMD is fantastic

[full fossil]

amd fucked up their only chance to redeem themselves

[polar fern]

it just blows my mind that folks in here don’t understand the concept of if a company fucks up and sells you a broken thing they owe you for that experience.

[wise goblet]

you don't have to defend Nvidia by saying "why don't you shit on AMD???" they don't need defending

[polar fern]

Yikes

[indigo plume]

dont work like that here mate

[unkempt widget]

this is whataboutism in it's prime

[wise goblet]

the company didn't sell him a broken 7900xt

[unkempt widget]

"nvidia is shit"
"well what about amd"

[polar fern]

What do you mean it doesn’t work like that?! Breh

[wise goblet]

AMD simply released the product with poor drivers

[hollow pulsar]

I have. And if I owned a business, I’d be happy to replace or refund, maybe even free shipping on exchange. But I am NOT paying strangers to give me back my own product.

[full fossil]

drivers can really make or break a product

(intel)

[indigo plume]

in canada if u even ask about that they would prob laught at me

[wise goblet]

they will take the product back because it's the law, but the product itself "works" they didn't sell him a bad product

[indigo plume]

considering its not even their fault its not working

[polar fern]

Y’all need to learn to advocate for yourselves JFC.

[wise goblet]

if the product was broken and didn't work once plugged in or something I'd get it but the issue is on the software side that's provided by AMD the physical unit is working perfectly fine

[indigo plume]

im not a karen

im not gunna create a scene for a few extra bucks

[polar fern]

Bro, the only thing companies understand is money if you cost them money that means it’s a lot less likely for something like that to happen again in the future to other people, it’s not just about you

Holy cow I am absolutely shocked that you folks don’t understand this concept

[hollow pulsar]

Paying customers just means I increase my overall prices, which means I make more money overall and everyone pays more for my product.

[polar fern]

Well, I guess you shouldn’t have screwed up in the first place ha

That’s called the cost of doing business

[cosmic coyote]

i just want to know are you talking about the pc supplier or amd

[hollow pulsar]

I mean, if customers are going to be greedy, so will I.

[polar fern]

Obviously, the retailer

[cosmic coyote]

my goodness

[wise goblet]

you seem to think you're just entitled to free shit regardless of the reason why the product wasn't right for you, I advocate for myself and have my own interest at heart 100% of the time, and that's the reason why I wouldn't buy a 7900xt or a 4080 4070ti in the first place

[polar fern]

I never said anything about free stuff

[cosmic coyote]

i absolutely hate dealing with customers like this in retail

[polar fern]

Well, learn to run your business better then

🤷‍♂️

[wise goblet]

and yes I also worked retail for a while and people like this are the reason I quit

[hollow pulsar]

Paying unsatisfied customers is “free stuff”.

[cosmic coyote]

dude wtf i literally dont produce silicon

[unkempt widget]

i mean in terms of performance/price, the rtx 4070 ti isn't bad

[hollow pulsar]

Unsatisfied does NOT mean the product was defective at all.

[wise goblet]

isn't it like $800 MSRP

[cosmic coyote]

this is some real boomer shit

[polar fern]

The card doesn’t work it’s dead whoever sold you the card should have the answer for that

[unkempt widget]

4070ti has a g3dmark/price of 35.54, compared to the 4080's 29.66 and the 7900xt's 32.21

[indigo plume]

Only Karen's asked foe that kinda of shit when it's not their fault

It's not their product so they don't nedd to compensate you

[wise goblet]

The higher the better right

[indigo plume]

They aren't amd

[unkempt widget]

yep

[wise goblet]

the issue is that Nvidia cards tend to go for a lot more than MSRP, whereas I can actually find AMD cards for their announced price

but yeah if it's actually MSRP then I guess it's not terrible, although I'd still not buy one because of the launch fiasco

[polar fern]

There’s nothing to do with AMD or Nvidia

[balmy lotus]

if a gpu is undervolted for its entire life time is that better for life time or worse

[polar fern]

I think it’s hilarious that you think that answering to your customer for a shitty experience, some terrible thing

[simple quail]

I imagine it'd not make that big of a difference, but probably better

[polar fern]

You shouldn’t be in business, if you can’t handle, keeping your customers satisfied

[indigo plume]

Lol so most businesses

[hollow pulsar]

As a customer, I’m satisfied if my product was replaced or refunded. I’m not expecting to profit.

[polar fern]

Dear company, thank you for selling me something broken. Can I have more broken stuff please and waste all of my money. Thanks signed loyal customer

[indigo plume]

Who said j wasn't satisfy with memory express services

[cosmic coyote]

we werent talking about broken

[polar fern]

Y’all hopeless

[indigo plume]

It's not broken tho

[cosmic coyote]

and even then thats a warranty issue just replace or refund

[polar fern]

🤦‍♂️

[indigo plume]

It's software issue

Not hardware

[polar fern]

Someone said the card was dead, so whatever

[wise goblet]

dear chat, you're all wrong and I am right. Signed, the bastion of truth biker

[cosmic coyote]

i think its trolling

no way anyone is this disconnected from reality

[wise goblet]

could be but it sounds too passionate for it to be on a whim

[unkempt widget]

undervolting doesn't decrease power no? it'll increase current?

[polar fern]

Man I am tempted to be really rude right now, but that’s not how I do things so I’m just gonna be real quiet

[indigo plume]

Man's think compies just be giving out free shit

Maybe out where u are

But not where I live

[polar fern]

Clearly you have no idea what the hell I’m talking about, so maybe just move on

[cosmic coyote]

we dont

[wise goblet]

Darth Mauld

[unkempt widget]

nvm

[polar fern]

Stop saying we speak for yourself

[indigo plume]

Cuz I don't have that here

[cosmic coyote]

we collectively dont understand sir

[simple quail]

no, the current is determined by the voltage (and the resistance) of a circuit, so power is in fact exponentially reduced as you lower the voltage

[polar fern]

Again, speak for yourself, you’re not a group you’re a person

[wise goblet]

oh wow put the keyboard down let's not make any hasty decisions here

[indigo plume]

We don't

[polar fern]

Kids, these days I swear

[indigo plume]

I'm not a kid

[unkempt widget]

my guy

[cosmic coyote]

im a grown man

[unkempt widget]

you came into here being so toxic and condescending

[indigo plume]

I'm an adult

[unkempt widget]

and now just calling people children

i don't even understand what you're on about

[manic torrent]

You keep saying this

[unkempt widget]

what

[wise goblet]

bro we are all talking about buying 4 digit products, I'm pretty sure everyone here works a full time job

[hollow pulsar]

There are literally people who will try to make a living from buying stuff, reporting “not satisfied” and making money/credit that way. That is why, if I owned a business, I wouldn’t pay customers for satisfaction. Or if I was feeling over payed, maybe a discount code so I could keep track of abuse and stop it.

[simple quail]

it's how electricity works

[polar fern]

I can’t imagine spending that much money on a single computer component.

[unkempt widget]

ik, unless if i've fallen asleep during physics class

but exponentially?

[indigo plume]

Well I can

[unkempt widget]

wait so p=iv right
and v=ir

[polar fern]

The night of the living tech Bros right now in here.

[unkempt widget]

there isn't i^2 anywhere

[polar fern]

Halp

[indigo plume]

I'd rather spend money on pc than a car or some shit

[unkempt widget]

i thought power was constant for some reason, which is why i thought current increases

[simple quail]

yeah, 1 volt through 1 ohm = 1 amp;
0.5 volts through 1 ohm = 0.5 amps
1 V * 1 A = 1 W
0.5 V * 0.5 A = 0.25 W

[indigo plume]

Spending money on hoppies you enjoy ain't that crazy

[unkempt widget]

yeah because the voltage also went down

[wise goblet]

I bought my gpu in 2021 so that was the reality of the market back then

[simple quail]

voltage and current are correlated

[unkempt widget]

oh yeah

wait no

how do we know resistance doesn't change

[wise goblet]

are you changing the resistor

[manic torrent]

My girlfriend at the time in 1999 was gobsmacked when I went into a swap meet and dropped $350 (I think) on a then new matrox G400

[unkempt widget]

the higher the voltage, they higher the resistance

[polar fern]

My entire setup excluding desk cost a total of about $2100. Spending $1000 on a single component is extremely fiscally irresponsible but that’s just my stupid opinion, right? 🤷‍♂️

[unkempt widget]

the lower the current, the higher the resistance

wait no i'm fucking stupid

i should really sleep more

[manic torrent]

..... And I am spending over $500 building a PC winch, and a monitor wall mount that goes up and down.

So you know. Whatever.

[polar fern]

That actually sounds pretty reasonable

[simple quail]

that's just something we have to assume from the load, which in this case is a bunch of silicon, which is not made to significantly change its resistance depending on the voltage

[unkempt widget]

yeah i figured out

[wise goblet]

it's not necessarily stupid, just not well informed? not everyone lives the same financial reality as you, no point in assuming person A spending $4000 on a PC is financially irresponsible if you have no idea how much money they have

[polar fern]

At least your winch, isnt going to drive up your electric bill

[simple quail]

the lower the current, the higher the resistance or the lower the voltage

[unkempt widget]

because i used p=iv and i thought p was constant

[polar fern]

@wise goblet it wasn’t really a question it was rhetorical

[indigo plume]

If u can't afford it sure

[manic torrent]

I also spent $1500 AUD on an Asus/ekwb 3070 in March 2021

[indigo plume]

There somthing called a budget

If I have a budget of 3000 I can afford to spend 1000 on a gpu

Or whatever

[wise goblet]

I'll answer it anyway

[polar fern]

are you guys putting any money away for a rainy day or are you just buying all kinds of tech hardware?

[fervent prairie]

Spicy

[wise goblet]

I spend all of my money on doordash and PC parts if I die I die

[manic torrent]

I have one PC and no money

[unkempt widget]

my guy not everyone lives life the same way as you

[indigo plume]

Mate I work a full time job I make that money in couple pay checks

[polar fern]

One PC man. All FPS, No savings for emergency

[manic torrent]

I am extremely fortunate to work a relatively well paying job

[indigo plume]

I hace plenty of spare money

[wise goblet]

all praise the data science god

[polar fern]

Something something privilege, something something

[indigo plume]

What emergency u think is gunnna happen lol is my house gunna get hit by a tornado

[manic torrent]

I mean... Maybe.

[wise goblet]

hopefully not

[polar fern]

I need to call a place about some parts

[unkempt widget]

wow this guy is somehow having a worse day than me

[indigo plume]

I dont even live in area where there is tornados lol

[unkempt widget]

some people have no chill whatsoever

[indigo plume]

U sound miserable

[manic torrent]

I spend all my money on hot cross buns for my son

[polar fern]

Yes, I’m sure that everything is perfect and nothing will ever go wrong, so you can just spend endlessly on things that won’t get a return

[unkempt widget]

he sounds like he'll be very fun at parties

[polar fern]

Hot cross buns are 🔥

[manic torrent]

A return? Mr capitalism over here

[wise goblet]

woke up at 5:20am to come to work had diarrhea and he still sounds like he's having a worse day than me

[indigo plume]

Mate buying a pc once every 7 years

[unkempt widget]

damn this guy is on the grind for more money

[indigo plume]

I dont think is a huge deal

[unkempt widget]

just don't enforce your ideas on other people ok

you're acting as if your way of living life is superior to others

[indigo plume]

U sound like person who hated successful ppl

[unkempt widget]

*jealous/envy

[indigo plume]

Who are u to say how much a person can spend on a hobby

[wise goblet]

if your hobbies and interests aren't profitable they're a WASTE OF FUCKING TIME

[polar fern]

Yep that’s me 🤦‍♂️

[wise goblet]

if this dude finds out I used to play gacha games competitively he's gonna smack me through my phone screen

[indigo plume]

Like is spending like 300 dollars on a darks souls figure financially responsible no but I love it

[unkempt widget]

damn, i almost smacked my monitor until i realized i couldn't do that

[simple quail]

I've done literally nothing at work today, literally walked around the whole office for an hour

[unkempt widget]

same with me but for school
nobody shows up anymore

[wise goblet]

sounds good honestly

[unkempt widget]

4 people showed up today

[wise goblet]

that wouldn't be very profitable of you, are you sure you're getting enough of a return on that?

[unkempt widget]

yes, i get the satisfaction that i pretended to smack someone who plays gacha games

[simple quail]

it was nice to have a bit of a walk, but I prefer getting things done tbh

[unkempt widget]

and honestly, mental stability is probably the biggest gift anyone can have

and i will earn that if i smacked my monitor screen

[simple quail]

lol this autumn in school (before I got the job) we were literally doing nothing the whole time, so people stopped showing up regularly

[unkempt widget]

this monitor has already witnessed the brutality of my mom (who actually broke it and it was gone for like 3 days) and my dad with a golf club

and it still works perfectly fine with no scratches

[wise goblet]

I like having a bit of downtime in my day but I feel you, if I do nothing all day it feels worse than actually getting stuff done

[opal pulsar]

i got money for rainy days, but im saving up for a pc

[unkempt widget]

school got called off because of huge covid outbreak (sudden removal of brutal covid policy to no covid policy in china) and schools were called off

until after chinese new year (february 6)

[simple quail]

I don't mind a break every now and then, but I would like not to sit in the office all day as part of the break

[unkempt widget]

this was back in dec 30 2022

dec 28*

and then everyone went like "oh boy i can go back home now" and bought plane tickets everywhere

and then on dec 31 2022 it got called back

starting the next monday (jan 2 2023)

one day, we had 2 people show up

[simple quail]

lol

[opal pulsar]

do yall think i should get a 1080ti or 2080 TI for my first gaming pc

is rtx and dlss worth it?

[balmy lotus]

is a 3070 for 400 usd a good deal?

[balmy lotus]

used

[unkempt widget]

there's this joke in china:
interviewer: summarize your 2022
interviewee: january-november - covid test
december - covid

[balmy lotus]

used for mining

[unkempt widget]

depends on your morals

[opal pulsar]

low ball 350 usd.

try to get it for less lol

mined gpus didnt lose much performance

[unkempt widget]

if you hate crypto miners, then go for lower or just refuse

[opal pulsar]

i suggest to low ball of every used product

[unkempt widget]

if you have lost the mental capability to care, then that's a decent deal

[lilac sage]

Mined gpus are fine but its a good excuse to bargain since most ppl believe mining really hurts a card’s lifespan

[opal pulsar]

at most they lost 5% of power over a few years of use

so for 400 bucks not a bad deal

[unkempt widget]

but make sure it works

[mint yacht]

Gaming is more stressful to a card than mining 🤷‍♂️

[balmy lotus]

how long would a 3070 be relevant for medium settings triple a games on a 1440p ultrawide monitor (144hz)

[unkempt widget]

also my intel i7-10700k is running at 1000 points below what is recorded elsewhere on cinebench 23
is that normal? i'm not limited by thermals

[opal pulsar]

i mean 1440p is pushing on the 3070

[unkempt widget]

i think the 3070 will last a long time

[opal pulsar]

oh medium

[manic torrent]

Yes, very good.

[opal pulsar]

yeah probably a few years

[balmy lotus]

wait you got your 3080ti for 350 aud right

[manic torrent]

700 aud

475 usd

[balmy lotus]

thats crazy

[balmy lotus]

4 or 5 years?

[unkempt widget]

cyberpunk is about as performance testing as it is, and i can run it at about 50-70fps at medium shaders on

[manic torrent]

I sold my 3070 for $500 aud

[manic torrent]

Yes

[balmy lotus]

time to start saving

[manic torrent]

I bought my 3070 for ultrawide 1440, but I upgraded to 4k so I needed to upgrade the card too

[balmy lotus]

how long do you think thatll stay relevant for

[manic torrent]

Don't know, not hugely concerned

[unkempt widget]

for medium settings? probably 3-4 more years at the least

[manic torrent]

Gor, I have no idea what will happen in a year's time.

[unkempt widget]

in terms of like a high performance card

[balmy lotus]

i feel like gpu used are probably a better way

[unkempt widget]

of course, your expectations may be different than to mine

[manic torrent]

I have been through... Uhhh... I can't remember how many monitor setups in the last 2 years. Everything is changing constantly

[balmy lotus]

ah ok

[unkempt widget]

i mean the gtx 1080 is still relevant today

[balmy lotus]

i rlly need to sleep now

[wanton glade]

really ?

then close discord, right now

throw your fucking phone across the room, and proceed to pass out 👍

[balmy lotus]

I did and then you pinged me lmao 😭

[wanton glade]

my bad yo 💀

[unkempt widget]

💀

[wanton glade]

LMAO

[tepid bolt]

Sure but any original gtx 1080 buyers have probably long since moved on

[balmy lotus]

Not your fault I was just starting to doze and I forgot to put my phone on silent

[unkempt widget]

i've found that sleeping without your phone next to you improves sleep

anyways i'm also going to sleep

[manic torrent]

We do this. We only have a nest hub in the bedroom

[simple quail]

my phone charger is across the room

[wanton glade]

just put it inside your computer, next to the gpu, and close the panel. won't bother you, especially if the panel got 3 thumbscrews

[simple quail]

the panel only has two screws

it's far enough across the room

I just need to keep myself off Discord in the morning when I do pick up the phone though

[manic torrent]

This is why no phones in the bedroom:)

[simple quail]

how luxurious of you to have more rooms than a bedroom and a bog ;)

[full fossil]

Guess who's sending his 3080ti to a repair shop

😭

[neon mesa]

my panel is a glass door with magnetic latch

as easy as pulling food out of the fridge 💀

[tender geyser]

13900ks 💀

[wanton glade]

bruh out of all people. What's your case ?

i know these exist, but not as common as the others

[neon mesa]

yeahhh it's some unknown brand

chinese

[wanton glade]

phanteks ?

nvm

chinese random brand = good luck finding its reference 💀

[simple quail]

I've a Phanteks

[neon mesa]

this says it all

the case is well built, veryy well built

mesh front

and it costs me 35 bucks

imagine paying 60+ for one
they all came from the same chinese sweatshop anyway
just get one directly

[wanton glade]

which one

[wanton glade]

oh nice. can u show me ?

[past egret]

its just an OEM retailer from china

[simple quail]

Enthoo Pro Tempered Glass

[neon mesa]

that graphics card tho

begs for air

[simple quail]

I've noticed most modern cases I see don't have 5.25" bays

[neon mesa]

why would they have a floppy bay

[past egret]

for a floppy disk duh

[neon mesa]

they've been gone for over a decade

[wanton glade]

oh shit it's clean asf

I want it

how much did it cost ?

[simple quail]

for optical drives and hotswap hard drive bays?

[neon mesa]

i got it for 35 bucks

[summer folio]

Did I not ask about CRT.

[cosmic coyote]

Meshify clone

[neon mesa]

everything comes from china, probably just a template model ngl

[summer folio]

Did someone purge chat or does Android app sucks

cant find my messages

[neon mesa]

and unlike a meshify
not overpriced, and glass door

[wanton glade]

DAMN

SEND THE DAMN LINK HOMIE

[cosmic coyote]

Yea this is dodgy

[neon mesa]

welll can't do that, i bought from local online store

[summer folio]

?

[neon mesa]

they don't serve outside my country

wait where do you even live @wanton glade

[wanton glade]

France

[neon mesa]

yeah definitely not

[summer folio]

Everybody lives in Germany

[wanton glade]

shit

[summer folio]

Third Reich

[wanton glade]

:[

I wanted that case, it looked clean :C

[summer folio]

Merkel controls everything, she is the shadow government.

[wanton glade]

ayoooo

[neon mesa]

if you buy directly from the manufacturer it is 144 bucks
but sellers here buy bulk and price go tank from competition

all hail south east asia case market

solid and cheap

[wanton glade]

damn :(

so, you asian ?

[neon mesa]

i'm dutch but i live oversea

[wanton glade]

oh ok

I'm French, and soon enough, I'll get the fuck out of this country

Canada sounds like a good destination

[neon mesa]

though core pc component price here are weird

[past egret]

sorry for your loss

[neon mesa]

prices for AMD cards are low since everyone here loves nvidia

[wanton glade]

that's why I'm not French, I'm Moroccan 🇲🇦

[neon mesa]

well in turn... nvidia cards to the moon
but i got my 3060 used for only 250

[past egret]

so which is it french or moroccan

[wanton glade]

for everyone who will pity me for being French, take that big L, and shove it up your ass

[summer folio]

Well, everything is made in Asia.
And since case takes up much weight & space transporting wise, it would indeed make sense if it's good value closer to manufacture'ing

[wanton glade]

I'm ethnically Moroccan, but was born and raised in France

100% Morocco DNA

I will hack your house 💀

[neon mesa]

case prices here are rock bottom because every case manufacturer you never heard of is here

how much is lian li o11 dynamic for you @wanton glade

[full fossil]

Morocco sounds like food

[spark ivy]

is 1500 for rtx 3050 pre built good?

[neon mesa]

no

3070 is minimal at that price

[wanton glade]

shut up bro, morocco beat up ronaldo, and he came back crying

[wanton glade]

I need a 50 bucks case, so it's prolly higher, judging from the name and brand

[full fossil]

Lol

[wanton glade]

L

[full fossil]

🔪

ronaldo is goofy

[full fossil]

It sounds like a spice

to add to your dish

[wanton glade]

L

[full fossil]

Lol

[wanton glade]

Fr

[neon mesa]

Three words that will piss ronaldo fans
Messi world cup

[full fossil]

Ronaldo fans are goofy as well

Who the fuck is Rolando xD

proof: ishowspeed

😂

[full fossil]

Smol spider

[twin raptor]

Fr tho

[wanton glade]

Agoofy

[full fossil]

Lol

[full fossil]

🐺

[wanton glade]

You saw when ishowspeed switched sides ?

[neon mesa]

i saw

[wanton glade]

bruh that guy was contemplating his whole life when he removed that tshirt

[timid meadow]

Dresser drawer with some standoffs drilled in and fanholes cut

[wanton glade]

💀

i don't even have a dresser drawer

[inland mauve]

Am i real?!

[opal pulsar]

no

[inland mauve]

[twilit tulip]

i like to eat rice

[full fossil]

Me too

[steep trellis]

gm

anyone good at math

[full fossil]

ME too

[past egret]

1+1 is probably 2

dont trust the government though

[full fossil]

thats what they want you to think 🤔

[full fossil]

true

1 + 1 = bean dip

[hearty spear]

depends on the math

been a while since I've done integrations and the like

[full fossil]

They want to harvest your organs

[past egret]

no they dont they just want more taxes

[full fossil]

money

[steep trellis]

SAT prep

idk what ahy of it means

[hearty spear]

Jesus, if you're studying for the SAT.... you weren't even born when I took those.

[past egret]

SAT is worthless just get a liberal art degree and call it a day

[pliant karma]

money where hello

[full fossil]

throws money in the air

[pliant karma]

lol casually scrolling through reddit and I come across this

[full fossil]

ooffff

90% iso alc no bueno

[pliant karma]

yea I think I have cleaned my monitor once with 75% but that was the time was like what will happen

but after I stopped and have actual screen cleaner solution for electronic devices

[foggy stream]

Gosh I wish I was that monitor

[true chasm]

#1063047499587256351

[night heron]

seems like almost every coder i know happens to know nothing about pc hardware

at the same time very few hardware enthusiasts know how to code so

duality of man

[full fossil]

interesting

[night heron]

i definitely dont

i only know hardware

[full fossil]

I know how to code :P

I know some basic python and I'm gonna be going to college for it

[night heron]

learn java

and lua

[full fossil]

I will

and html

[night heron]

specifically roblox lua

[full fossil]

nope

[night heron]

it's laughably easy to make roblox games and get tens of thousands of dollars quickly

[full fossil]

exploit the children

[night heron]

literally

[full fossil]

do it

[night heron]

make colorful simplistic games with hella ingame purchases

[full fossil]

yep

and rake in the money

[night heron]

the children yearn for the mines

child labor wasnt so bad

[full fossil]

they do

proven by minecraft

[night heron]

literally

children yearn for the mines literally not figuratively

[full fossil]

yes

the children shall mine for us

put them in the lithium mines

[fossil frost]

there is a difference between "coder" "someone who says they are a coder" "programmer" and "software engineer"... not all are at the same level, not all have the same knowledge set or skills...

[fossil frost]

like elon does?

other peoples children that is, not his own...

[polar fern]

& the emerald mines

[fossil frost]

even though he doesnt really look after his own

[full fossil]

I will stay silent :P

@slate wing where is your pfp from ?

[fossil frost]

removing AVX-512 instructions from your build can also be an optimisation, because AVX-512 is VERY VERY cycle and power hungry

[polar fern]

The internet.

[fossil frost]

optimisation is a skill in its self, and there is no one right way to do it

[full fossil]

thanks

[night heron]

bizzehdee out here with the knowledge

[full fossil]

75" 480p tv

[fossil frost]

ive been a professional developer for 22 years and a general enthusiast for about 25 years

[pliant karma]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

hehe had to use that

[polar fern]

What’s that in reference to

[full fossil]

you've been in public chat more and more lately

[pliant karma]

quiet in you know what chat

[lucid echo]

get you a sanic who can do both

[polar fern]

Woah

[full fossil]

true

[polar fern]

It’s sanic

[full fossil]

the same sanic who put plants in his pc

[fossil frost]

compared to doing the same thing when doing basic stuff that can fit in a 64bit register, its extremely hungry, even when you batch up 8 regular operations into a single avx512 operation.. some stuff in avx512 is faster, most stuff is faster and more efficient without it

[iron orbit]

Homelab dashboards...I got Organizr right now and was liking I could load up windows in frame, but not all of them work, can Dashy do what that one can't? Or what else should I try?

[pliant karma]

ceiling fan

[full fossil]

[polar fern]

Popcorn ceiling

[lucid echo]

they’re doing great thanks for asking

[lucid echo]

it’s what happens when you blow your vape clouds upwards

[full fossil]

how are your plants

[fossil frost]

depending on what you are doing, the newer instructions can be faster/more efficient/less power hungry, or the older ones can be too... like i said... there is no one right way to do optimisation... its all a balancing act and depends on what you are trying to optimise for... because you are not always trying to optimise for speed, you could be optimising for reliability or power consumption or you could be deoptimising on purpose to make sure certain operations take longer

10% speed improvement, by optimising for speed rather than power consumption

[night heron]

[fossil frost]

doubtful, would need to see real world evidence, because from what ive seen in testing, avx512 is still power hungry for the same performance, or less performant for the same power draw

[night heron]

probably why intel said fuck it were not putting it in anymore

seems like something that’d make sense to only put on xeons

[fossil frost]

partly yes, and partly because its expensive as fuck in die size too, and partly because nobody wanted it

fair enough, but that is synthetic benchmarks designed to make it look good and work only under best case scenario. im talking about using it in the actual real world, in a way where people would actually implement it

benchmarks are designed to find the results that the designer of the benchmark intended to find, its an inherent bias in almost all scientific studies

[flint copper]

Am I tripping or is anyone else also seeing YouTube 480p in 60 FPS now?

I'm watching 8n desktop through browser

[fossil frost]

not sure about 60fps, but 480p is what youtube defaults to when you have it set to auto now

[flint copper]

Yeah, but it's supposed to be 30 fps. I swear I'm getting more than that fps in 480p

[fossil frost]

ive turned stats on for and checked quite a few videos, defaulting to 480p, and 30fps

[flint copper]

No, I'm watching Flipper Zero video in LMG Clips and it feels like it's in 60 even though I'm in 480p

[fossil frost]

link the video plz

[flint copper]

https://youtu.be/J0Hy_cEg2oo

I checked the stats too, it's showing 30. Maybe Edge is doing something, not sure

[fossil frost]

source is 30fps, its displaying 30fps, in both edge and chrome.

[flint copper]

Maybe my perception is off, but it really looks smoother than 30. I don't have any refresh rate syncing on in my display.

Yeah, I see that too. But it's happening in other videos too. Maybe I'm just tired, I'll try again tomorrow morning

3gp is an old multimedia format mostly used by Java phones. I remember it being popular because of pirated videos. They would have the .3gp extension

[graceful burrow]

3gp is a really really old codec that flip phones used when they first started getting the ability to record video
Its
Horrible

[limpid hamlet]

Hi

[polar fern]

3G pp

[limpid hamlet]

Chid

[polar fern]

Some sort of packet container standard

[fossil frost]

or, since 3gp only ever really used 263, codec and container can be used interchangeably here, same as mp4 and h264

[polar fern]

That was some wild stuff back in the 3G days

[full fossil]

do not speak of av1

you'll start a gang war

[night heron]

only brokies care about av1

[flint copper]

Back in the day with those old phones, I remember there being a whole website hosting pirated and adult content in 3gp format. Site was shut down because there were too many questionable adult videos

[night heron]

can’t afford to store higher quality h264

[polar fern]

Yep

[night heron]

satire btw

[full fossil]

h264 beast

[polar fern]

@full fossil gang war?

[night heron]

🦅🇺🇸🦅 RAHHHHH

[full fossil]

Murica

[night heron]

all of my stuff is h264

because movie rips get uploaded as h264 mkv files

[full fossil]

av1 🤓

[full fossil]

fair lol

[night heron]

and if i capture clips and have them made h265 they don’t embed

[polar fern]

.avi

[night heron]

and embedding on discord is more important to me than slightly higher quality

[full fossil]

.mkvav1mp4

[night heron]

.com

[full fossil]

.org

.edu.gov

[polar fern]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

Oops, I did something

[night heron]

bro flipped the table

[full fossil]

┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

[polar fern]

Narrr

[night heron]

i refuse to use a modified discord client or workarounds to embed av1

[full fossil]

do any large media companies support av1 yet

[night heron]

i use browser discord

[polar fern]

The tables been flipped… heads or tails?

[fossil frost]

youtube, sort of supports it, but doesnt... but does... but only.... 😒

[polar fern]

by the way, remember that whole topic of 1080p only content max, unless you have a YouTube premium?

[full fossil]

my cat is a nerd

[night heron]

that’s probably going to happen eventually

[full fossil]

nice

I remember when I got 7 ads in a row on youtube

lmao yes

[polar fern]

yes, okay, well watching 1080p on a 4K television is absolutely like rubbing your eyes with alcohol

Wait, which video?

[hollow pulsar]

That was incredibly short-sighted and unbecoming of a person of his position.

[polar fern]

It’s more like 2.6x

[night heron]

i think youtube 4k looks absolutely fine on a tv or mobile device because they handle low bitrate content just fine

youtube 1080p looks pretty terrible though

[polar fern]

1080p on a 4K television, it’s basically like one giant continuous visual artefact

[hollow pulsar]

Youtube's HDR content is 8-bit?

[night heron]

you know sdr rec709 isn’t 10 bit right

99.9% of sdr/srgb content is 8 bit

i know

fact is everyone uses 8 bit for sdr regardless

enabling 10 bit on an 8 bit mastered video isn’t going to do anything

[full fossil]

youtube hdr gross

wanna hear something funny? I've never experienced 4k lol

[night heron]

if you’re seeing banding with 8 bit content ur display is just cheeks

[polar fern]

But like I said, 1080p playback on a 4K TV is disgusting looking & that has been my issue with it the whole time.

[night heron]

nah

[polar fern]

The entire screen is basically artefacta tiles

[night heron]

there are displays that handle it absolutely fine

you’ll never see banding on an alienware aw3423dwf

[full fossil]

hm

[polar fern]

I will say Facebook video content is far worse

[night heron]

i agree using 10 bit for sdr would be cool but i don’t see that happening

[graceful burrow]

Yeah you're right
Id never see banding on that because I'd never own an Alienware product lmao

[polar fern]

Rekt

[full fossil]

Ah yes I know what these words mean

[night heron]

bit depth is how many variations/levels/shades of colors or brightness can be used

how many steps

[polar fern]

That’s easy, you just use a lower resolution of colour gradient

Rip all the subtle tones

[full fossil]

ok lol

[night heron]

sdr and srgb are absolutely ancient standards so they both use 8 bit

hdr10 is 10bit and dolby vision is 12

[polar fern]

Srgb is almost 30 years old

[night heron]

i am fully aware you can record and master a 10 bit sdr video

[hollow pulsar]

You can have HDR with 8-bit?

[night heron]

but considering NOBODY does that

they might as well be interlinked

[polar fern]

It does look like shit

[full fossil]

danggg

got banned from pcmr feelsgoodman

[full fossil]

how lol

[polar fern]

But that would mean capital expenditure, and actually investment

[full fossil]

Some random pinged me saying they owned me

[night heron]

why would anyone complain

[full fossil]

and i got in shit with them

oh lmao

like wdym you own me 😂

they just have something against black people

[night heron]

if you care so much about gradient handling get a better display instead of crying about how studios don’t use 10 bit for sdr

[full fossil]

mf racist

[night heron]

one solves your problem the other doesn’t

[full fossil]

lol

[night heron]

smooth gradation post processing

[polar fern]

How much would it cost for Google to update YouTube’s processing backend to handle this stuff you are suggesting?

[night heron]

almost nothing

the bitrate increase is negligible

[hollow pulsar]

Almost nothing, at scale, can lead to tremendous unaccounted for costs.

[night heron]

but the videos on youtube themselves aren’t actually 10 bit videos so it’s pointless

[polar fern]

So they could cover the cost with like one more ad every few videos

[night heron]

displays can just handle gradients themselves

[hollow pulsar]

More data = .. less data? Are you sure?

[night heron]

yeah idk why he said that

higher color bit depth takes more bit rate but it’s negligible

you can look at calculators yourself online

[polar fern]

you could do the decompression on the client browser or app instead of the host end

[hollow pulsar]

So, a bit depth of 6 should result in larger file sizes, correct?

[polar fern]

My face is a bit depth

[night heron]

woofina lives in theoretical land is the issue

higher quality sources can be compressed more heavily and look good

but will they in reality? no

[hollow pulsar]

No. we're not talking adjusting settings. We're talking adjusting bitdepth ONLY.

[polar fern]

We should all just go back to film, and forget all of the digital video nonsense

[night heron]

film is still higher resolution than most displays

[full fossil]

Oh?

[night heron]

yeah it’s surprising

[full fossil]

What “resolution “ is film

[polar fern]

Depending on the studio & the process of the quality of the original negative, there are some movies from the 1910s and 1920s they are basically 4K if not higher.

[night heron]

depends on the film used

there’s no real pixel value

but they can be equivalent to like 6k digital resolution

[polar fern]

Silver grain size

[full fossil]

What resolution could it be compared to in quality

[night heron]

which is why really old movies rescanned and remastered still look fantastic

just depends how large the film used was

[hollow pulsar]

We've traded quality for flexibility.

[night heron]

digital is caught up now

but the 90s and 2000s was a true downgrade

the first digital cameras were asscheeks

[full fossil]

Crt to lcd be like

[night heron]

i love real film grain

you can look at movies like back to the future or jurassic park though

their blu ray and 4k blu ray remasters look fantastic

[full fossil]

Why are you saying that like you aren’t a human

hello

[night heron]

what he’s saying is true though

sometimes i look at my phone and i’m like

[full fossil]

Makes sense

[night heron]

the pixel density is so high that everything looks smoothed instead of sharp and detailed

[full fossil]

8k phones be like

is there anyone who can help i got power outage and when eletricity cam back my wifi isnt working anymore i restarted it for 30 sec and stuff like that but still no results

0 info about my problem

[civic basin]

Off topic but the dominos chocolate lava crunch cake is so good

[past egret]

fatty

[full fossil]

i agree

it’s freaking tasty

well it’s very sugary so i understand

[fossil frost]

its good, but is very hard to finish a full one on your own

[full fossil]

Wdym they’re so small

[polar steeple]

Never tell me the odds

[full fossil]

They’re one piece

I finished one in 10 minutes but I was so full after

[fossil frost]

yep, but dont forget, you have just eaten a 13" pizza to yourself just before it 🙂

[full fossil]

Oh right lol

[polar steeple]

Yeah but you feel like your teeth are gonna rot out halfway through

They're literally filled with chocolate syrup

[full fossil]

Well yeah they just make me really full

[fading horizon]

In a siuation in which the ram manufacturer claims the ram is compatible with MOBO, but the MOBO manufacturer claims incompatible, which should i trust?

Well the mobo manufacturer doesnt say "incompatible" its just not listed as compatible

[polar steeple]

Why not just use ram you know is compatible

[fading horizon]

Prices and aesthetics

[polar steeple]

Bruh what

[fading horizon]

There is a specific set of ram that i want, and im having this scenario

[polar steeple]

SMH

[fossil frost]

one of them has validated the ram against the motherboard, the other has not... the default is incompatible, until its validated as 100% compatible.

if the ram manufacturer says its compatible, its because they have tested it

[fading horizon]

So if the RAM manufactrer claims compatible, i should be fine?

[fossil frost]

yep

and if not, you can RMA it directly to them and they HAVE to accept it, because they put a guarantee on it by claiming it is compatible. but... it should be, i dont see why they would say it is if it isnt

[fading horizon]

Thank you!

[polar steeple]

Lol

[fading horizon]

@fossil frost

[fossil frost]

they would be stupid to claim it is compatible if they hadnt tested it, opens themselves up to all sorts of shit

[polar steeple]

I think you're vastly overestimating how much these companies give a fuck (they give 0 fucks)

[hearty spear]

you're in the marines?

[fading horizon]

Somoene talk me out of spending double for 32gb of ram for bragging rights when i know 16gb is more than enough for gaming with a few chrome tabs open in the background

[hearty spear]

how much is 16 vs 32?

[fossil frost]

putting something on your list of validated items, is something they dont lie about, they do it because they test it

[fossil frost]

noope... just do it

[polar steeple]

Again, lol

[fading horizon]

16 is $60-70, 32 is going to be $110-120

[hearty spear]

get the 32

[fossil frost]

nothing about a PC is based on "need", its all about "want"... so if you want it, and can afford it... get the 32

[polar steeple]

Also plenty of games will gladly use more than 16gb

[slate tulip]

half as much

[hearty spear]

things are only getting more and more memory hungry. No reason to short change when 40-50$ will prevent it for several years

[polar steeple]

MSFS and Cities Skylines being two very popular games I can think of

[slate tulip]

dude, how long does this stupid green leaf stick around?

[hearty spear]

till you've blossomed into a beautiful sapling

[fading horizon]

I guess you're right, its not like DDR5 is going to be necessary anytime soon, performance diffeernces in gaming are literally neglibile. I can splurge on more ram capacity.

[slate tulip]

it's been like, a whole week now, smh

[fossil frost]

i thought it was a day or 2, but ive noticed loads of people with it sticking round for AGES

[slate tulip]

man, I've been on discord longer than almost anyone in this discord server, I'm like, an ancient oak tree

[polar steeple]

DDR5 will never be necessary before DDR6 is being adopted

It's dumb

[hearty spear]

you've only been here a week. Now get off my lawn. 😛

[fluid ridge]

than*

then is used in a temporal context while than is used for comparisons 🤓

[polar steeple]

Do you think that's a good thing you should be proud of or...?

[fluid ridge]

[fossil frost]

confirmed that they eat crayons 🙂

[slate tulip]

only. Discord is what, 7 and a half years total? So half the life of discord? lol

[slate tulip]

Yup. I'm even discord certified amazing.

[polar steeple]

Yikes

[delicate wagon]

Windows 10 or 11?

[fossil frost]

11, its better than 10 now

[delicate wagon]

Great. Thanks

[slate tulip]

https://twitter.com/discordapp/status/697191750691979264

[fluid ridge]

bro has been letting discord data farm for the last 7 years

[slate tulip]

I helped write the partner code of conduct, and was one of the very first discord partners before the partner program even existed

[fluid ridge]

so i assume they paid you bags of cash right

[slate tulip]

I mean, I'm friends with the discord founders on facebook, they can just DM me if they need any personal info, they don't have to farm it 😂

[fluid ridge]

100 dollar bills wrapped up nice and tight in 10k stacks

[fluid ridge]

jason is a pretty sketchy man

[fossil frost]

all successful tech people are... thats why they are successful

[slate tulip]

no, I represented a non-profit org they worked with. And they did some need things, like give us custom vanity as a subdomain of discord.gg because custom urls didn't exist, and tested out building a local working self-hosted instance of discord

which they sadly scrapped

[fluid ridge]

yeah but openfeint was particularly sketchy as a project

[slate tulip]

idk, I haven't talked to Jason in a few years, but he seemed alright last time we hung out. Eros and Chris are neat and doing well. Last I checked, Chris was rocking it at Niantic

[fluid ridge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenFeint

[fossil frost]

self hosted discord like you could do with IRC, would be amazing... but i suppose it fucks with the business model

[fluid ridge]

how do you suppose discord makes money right know

[teal estuary]

:xdoubt:

[slate tulip]

Yeah. There was some discussion about optimizing it for LAN Parties by running a local instance that would do most of the work and then connect to the main discord cloud, and they said they had it all working. I didn't get details as to why they decided to change their mind and not offer it to us

[fluid ridge]

im almost willing to bet everything that their subscription services dont cover their costs

[fossil frost]

$$$ is why they didnt offer it

[fluid ridge]

11 >>>> 10

[slate tulip]

eh. I'm not talking about publicly. They were specially making it just for us

[fluid ridge]

sorry what

windows 11 looks and functions so much nicer than windows 10

it's refined and polished

[fossil frost]

functions better too

[slate tulip]

but it totally could have been a matter of, discord was smaller than we were when our partnership started, and they simply decided they were bigger and more popular than us now and didn't need to do things like that for us since the power difference changed

[leaden gale]

That's highly subjective

[teal estuary]

the UI is something you get used to, even if i dont like it now

[full fossil]

He didn’t say he spends all day in the dark like a 600lb discord mod lol

he just said he was involved a lot with discord

[fluid ridge]

ok i guess

[fossil frost]

even functions better than 10 did on my kids i5 7500 with a rx480 in it

[teal estuary]

the (attempted) TPM requirement is what im not a fan of

[full fossil]

which is cool, good for him

[night heron]

i’m waiting for there to be a enterprise LTSC version of windows 11 before i upgrade

[slate tulip]

I have a full-time job, I have to be small enough to fit through the door 😛

[night heron]

i’ve been using windows 10 enterprise ltsc for all of my time on w10

[leaden gale]

How do you quantify that

[full fossil]

Tru tru

[slate tulip]

although, I guess if I was 600 pounds and made it into work, they'd be obligated to find me some triple-wide ergonomic office chair :P

[fossil frost]

less power draw, less cpu general cpu usage, games have higher FPS when playing... you know... simple things

[slate tulip]

I always think that'd be embarrassing, being the guy they have to order a custom chair for that can handle someone that big

[leaden gale]

Higher FPS, you say?

[teal estuary]

ima probably just wait for windows 12

[fossil frost]

Yep, I assume you lower overhead on the CPU/gpu

[full fossil]

I would be using linux if not for game incompatibility

[polar steeple]

Windows 10 with start11>>>>>>>>>windows 11

[slate tulip]

This is why I use WSL - Linux is my favorite windows feature!

and Windows 11 with WSLg > Windows 10

[full fossil]

compiles own kernel on a thinkpad

[slate tulip]

so nice not having to run a third-party x-server

[mild elm]

i love win11

[full fossil]

I don’t like win11

[mild elm]

looks better

[slate tulip]

windows 12, they'll just get rid of the windows part, leaving WSL and the wayland server 😛

[mild elm]

and i dont notice bugs

[full fossil]

Imo it looks worse than w10

[mild elm]

subjective but no

[slate tulip]

man, gentoo is just a waste of resources, lol

[full fossil]

I started off with mint

And then tried arch lol

Now I run parrotOS on my laptop and w10 on my pc

[slate tulip]

I have a server with 128 cores and 800GBs of RAM - the performance gain of optimizing gentoo for it just isn't worth the amount of time doing so takes

[full fossil]

I like parrotOS because it’s simple and you can also pen test on it

[full fossil]

What’s this server for

[slate tulip]

depends

you don't want to know the sad details - like the fact that one of them is literally doing nothing but serving ntp and maybe some DNS

such a waste, lol

[full fossil]

Lmao

[slate tulip]

it's a homogenous datacenter, so all the servers are the same. A lot of them are hypervisors, but someone decided NTP needed to be physical and not virtualized, and it was the only physical server we had...

servers each have 2 of these:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/192478/intel-xeon-platinum-8280-processor-38-5m-cache-2-70-ghz/specifications.html
which is ridiculous.. they are like, $10k a piece MSRP

[teal estuary]

or you could just use linux anyway

[full fossil]

Le pc with 3080ti has become le pc with no 3080ti

😭

😭

[slate tulip]

you could get an Intel Arc graphics card for just some blood ;)

much more reasonable

what makes you say that?

[teal estuary]

Rome/Milan existing

[slate tulip]

pretty sure they've been around for a while 😛

[civic basin]

Just look at your mobo specs and the ram specs lol

[civic basin]

Ill do it and be proud of it

[teal estuary]

yea, and so has the 8280, hence me saying rome/milan and not genoa

[civic basin]

I like rome

its a nice place

[slate tulip]

I've never left the states, lol

[civic basin]

I never left north america lol

[teal estuary]

thats sad

yes, i live there

[civic basin]

I wonder if air from France smells like pure bread

[graceful burrow]

Hey man if you're willing to fund a trip to another country I'm ready and willing right now

But I ain't got money for that shit

[polar steeple]

What a weird ass flex

Reeks of "I don't actually know how much things cost"

[civic basin]

Does air from there smell like baguettes?

[teal estuary]

there are two other countries directly connected by land, there are options besides intercontinental flights

[civic basin]

Its like more than $800 economy to travel to a different continent 😨

[wanton glade]

No

Stupid

[teal estuary]

also, if they work in a DC, id imagine they aren't at federal minimum wage

[slate tulip]

sure, technically true.... but also, you could fit most of the Europe in the US. Traveling to another state in the US (or in some cases, just to a different county, like in Texas) is the equivalent to visiting another country in Europe. The distance to get from a state to another country in the US is a lot

[graceful burrow]

Most places around here start at fucking 10

Cost of living in the area sure whatever but that doesn't apply when I'm buying shit not from my area
I.e. A ticket

[slate tulip]

could I drive north to Canada? Technically, sure. I could afford it. But it sounds pretty fucking boring to do all that driving alone and all my friends are too busy to make a road trip 😛

[graceful burrow]

Or gas when traveling

[polar steeple]

Alright now consider that, for example, the state of South Carolina is 900 miles from Canada and 1400 miles from Mexico

Now what

[civic basin]

Almost did it once but some of my friends forgot their pass port 💀

[slate tulip]

I've never actually had a passport

[polar steeple]

Just a brutally tone deaf ass statement

[leaden gale]

Texas resident here, can confirm

[slate tulip]

kind of annoying, a friend of mine invited me to his wedding in India... but with like, 2 weeks notice

2 weeks to figure out how to get a passport, how to fly to india, etc

[civic basin]

You should probably try to get one, just saying

[teal estuary]

same for california, ive done it, its tall

[polar steeple]

You did it? Or your legal guardian did it? Huge difference

[polar steeple]

You can't get a passport in 2 weeks

[gilded quest]

Reminds me I need to get a passport

[polar steeple]

As do I

[slate tulip]

well, go tell him that a few years ago! Lol

[polar steeple]

I would say use it as a learning experience and get a passport so the next time something like this comes up you're good to go

[full fossil]

Where do u see how many watts ur components are using and how much ur system has

[slate tulip]

yeah, not a bad idea, I just never really do any traveling, so never thought about it much

[polar steeple]

Hwinfo64 will tell you how much components are drawing but you would need a kill-a-watt meter to determine total power being pulled from the wall

That's the brand lol

[civic basin]

You never know if you win a free trip to paris !!

[full fossil]

Word

[slate tulip]

idk, going to paris alone sounds not terribly exciting

[polar steeple]

Yes lol it's a sub brand of p3 international

[slate tulip]

like, you'd be surrounded by people, but you wouldn't know anyone, and you don't speak french

[teal estuary]

fair on that i haven't driven 9 hours in cali in a day behind the wheel myself, that specific trip i wasn't driving, but i have done about 4hrs non stop myself (of a ~7hr drive, brother did the other leg), crossed state boundaries there though

[full fossil]

My pc is 1200 watts but it’s being weird maybe it’s my extension cord

[wanton glade]

@tropic crane

[polar steeple]

So you've never had to drive more than 1000 miles but you think it's "sad" when someone says they haven't left the country

[slate tulip]

I mean, how will you do that if you can't speak french to ask someone to take the picture for you?

[polar steeple]

Lol

[full fossil]

Offtopic but any Netflix show recommendations?

[slate tulip]

I just finished Wednesday, it was pretty good

[wanton glade]

Yo guys, msi optix vs Samsung odyssey, which one the best ?

[slate tulip]

if it's still on netflix and you haven't watched it, The Good Place is amazing

[polar steeple]

It's also not that hard to learn common phrases in other languages or

[slate tulip]

one of the best shows to come out in a while

[polar steeple]

Use some sort of translator app

[teal estuary]

if they also have a position that should be able to afford it, at least somewhat, yes,

[wanton glade]

I watched Reacher, it was great

[slate tulip]

is that on netflix? I just watched it on a friend's plex server

[polar steeple]

Just stop digging this hole lol

[wanton glade]

Amazon prime I think

[slate tulip]

Ah

[wanton glade]

Idk bro, I didn't pay for the thing

I never pay.

[slate tulip]

I don't mind paying, but companies need to learn from Gabe Newell who said "Piracy is customer service problem"

if I could pay once for a movie digitally, and then do whatever I want with it, they'd rake in money hand over fist

[leaden gale]

What are pirates even encoding lmao

[civic basin]

The one you think is cooler

[polar steeple]

As someone who grew up in the era where illicit means were sometimes the literal only way to access content...it is weird to me thatnits still so prevalent when almost any piece of content can be accessed for a nominal fee

[leaden gale]

Oh those, I forgor

[slate tulip]

once upon a time, I tried to buy Gladiator legitimately from Amazon. It was a nightmare. Only runs in their special app or on windows media player. App wasn't available on any of the phone operating systems I had (this was around when the iPhone 4 just came out). Like, I just wanted to pay money and own a movie

[gilded quest]

this is why i buy UHD blurays for shit I care about

[leaden gale]

Me when the pieces of content are wildly distributed across a multiplicity of services to the point of insanity

[civic basin]

I never really encourage pirate but im not against it if your pirating all of the Sim 4 dlcs

[slate tulip]

after a few hours of fucking around with it, I torrented it and then watched it on my phone/tablet in like, 15 minutes

[polar steeple]

Piracy is harder than streaming these days

[slate tulip]

customer service problem

[polar steeple]

At least in my experience

[tropic crane]

yeah?

[gilded quest]

yeah netflix used to be fantastic 10 years ago

[slate tulip]

if it's available to stream on the limited services you have access to

it used to be you just needed netflix. Now, i can fill a the word limit with various streaming services, and still wouldn't encompass all the movies and tv shows a person might want to watch

[wise goblet]

I'm tech illiterate, could someone explain to me why DDR5 has higher CAS latency than DDR4?

[slate tulip]

netflix, amazon, hulu, peacock, disney+, and you still might not be able to watch a movie you want because it's exclusive to HBO+ or Paramount or some shit

it's ridiculous

[teal estuary]

CrunchyRoll/Funimation/etc is an exception for that

[polar steeple]

People laugh when I mention it, I guess cause it's run by Walmart, but Vudu is the shit

[wise goblet]

anime streaming is genuinely terrible Crunchyroll doesn't even have an app for my TV their player is horrible and don't even get me started on HIDive

[polar steeple]

The age old trick of signing up for free trials is still valid

[night heron]

$10-15 per steaming platform or $5 for one vpn subscription and get whatever you want

[polar steeple]

Even easier with virtual credit card services like privacy.com

[teal estuary]

my auto jellyfin server is much better for me than CR ever was

[night heron]

people upload weekly release anime ripped off crunchyroll like an hour after it drops

[slate tulip]

still validates my point

making tons of trial accounts is more work than just torrenting

[night heron]

facts

[slate tulip]

the way to combat piracy is making it easier to buy and use the product than it is to stream

I haven't pirated a video game in so long - steam is nice and easy to buy, install, and use on every platform I game on

[polar steeple]

It also comes with 0 legal liability or risk of your ISP cucking your connection

[wise goblet]

if cringeroll didn't have the worst service possible I bet more people would use it

[slate tulip]

and I don't have to store the games when I want to save them to play later - steam does that for me

[polar steeple]

Or the malware risk

[slate tulip]

and it organizes them all, and sorts them, has a nice search, etc

granted, it took them a while to get there, but still

much better experience than I could cobble together myself from torrented games

[polar steeple]

Have you looked into the recent plex updates

[slate tulip]

TL;DR:
Gabe put his money where his mouth was and proved what he said

[gilded quest]

I suppose
Not an issue with the movies i've bought on the format so far

[slate tulip]

talking about steam. As afaik, no company has an easy way to buying unrestricted digital videos?

[polar steeple]

Plex is trying to do the same thing

[slate tulip]

the majority of plex usage is either pirated content, or people buying physical media and ripping it

[polar steeple]

I just meant organizing and streamlining the surfacing of content

[slate tulip]

plex is amazing, but it's not really an answer to piracy, sadly

when I look for music, I try to buy it. often I have to find a CD, and the digital copies available are lossy MP3. I can't just buy an album in FLAC

it's a pain

[polar steeple]

Let's just be real about it. A LOT of pirates do it specifically because they feel entitled to not pay for shit; or, they don't have the means for it

[slate tulip]

idk, steam is pretty successful, despite pirating games still being an option

there's a lot of games I've bought over the years that I used to pirate when I didn't have the means, like Ultimate Doom, and Morrowind

Yup. It's stupid. If they just made it easy, they would do better

[gilded quest]

speaking of piracy
anyone play Sea of Thieves?

[polar steeple]

I mean it's a one hand washing the other type situation

If you distribute DRM free digital copies of stuff it's just going to enable the pirates even more

[wanton glade]

bruh that doesn't make sense

[polar steeple]

Just because you would use your DRM free content responsibly doesn't mean others are

You mean the platform that is the 3rd choice of most publishers? Lol

I'm looking at GOG right now and the best game I'm seeing is Witcher 3 wild hunt

For 49.99. Lmao

[full fossil]

TLauncher

[polar steeple]

Bro they got SPORE on here

[full fossil]

Steamunlocked is the goat

[slate tulip]

last game I bought on GoG and I should see if I can play on my SteamDeck, is Betrayal in Antara

talk about old

[polar steeple]

I remember playing SPORE on my OG Dell XPS circa like 2005

I don't understand the logic of steamdeck OS being Linux based

Okay but that isn't a good trade off for the fucking mess that is proton compatibility

That is an exacerbation of the issue, not a feature

[wise goblet]

yes yes indeed I concur with whomever makes more sense hmm what about the latency? I too speak PC

[full fossil]

Windows is better

Windows >>>>linux

[gilded quest]

[full fossil]

Linux sucks

[polar steeple]

Shouldn't have to side load another OS when it's coming from a multi billion dollar corporation like Valve lmfaooo

[gilded quest]

no u sucks

[polar steeple]

Why are steam deck fanbois so triggered and aggressive lmfao

[full fossil]

"Linux is a good OS"🤓🤓🤓

[polar steeple]

"Windows sucks"

[gilded quest]

2023 is finally going to be the year of Linux on the Desktop!!!

[full fossil]

Windows 12*

MacOS>>>linux

[gilded quest]

ehh

macOS is becoming too iOS-like

[median idol]

X for doubt

[polar steeple]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and hypothesize that part of the reason it runs Linux instead of Windows is to hit a certain price target because Windows licenses cost $$$

[full fossil]

Windows 7>>>macOS

still better than linux