public-chat

[full fossil]

makes sense, but would be nice to see comparisons for the premium blocks to see if what they charge extra is worth it in terms of performance.

really like the way the Pacific MX2 looks

[tawdry rapids]

honestly youre getting charged for non-chinesium

thats about it

https://www.reddit.com/r/watercooling/comments/pmzmtt/ek_quantum_velocity_block_upgrade_to_optimus/

here is this guys experience from going to optimus from a velocity1 block

[quiet star]

litterly says the same thing for the 011 dynamic evo

[tawdry rapids]

hm maybe they may have messed up with adding the motherboard to the compatibility list then

thats a good catch tho, it says the same thing for the XL, which i know SHOULD fit this board

[tawdry rapids]

what 4090 did you have again?

[quiet star]

yea could thing i looked into it and also i mailed msi to ask them

[quiet star]

MSI gaming trio 24g 4090

idrk the name'

[tawdry rapids]

any of the MSI Trio is fine

[quiet star]

MSI GAMING TRIO GeForce RTX 4090

[south stone]

Holy shiiiitzu. The 7900XT just dual 8 pin connectors!!!

Holy moly of efficiency. I love it. Heck yeah.

Go AMD, humble nvidia!

[tawdry rapids]

yea surprising how you can actually build efficient products huh?

[south stone]

What Nvidia could've done with the 4090 if they stick with 70% power limit at 93% the performance.

[tawdry rapids]

@quiet star im just gonna select some other motherboard to see what kinda cooling can fit into that case

[quiet star]

ok

[full fossil]

ill check it out thanks

[tawdry rapids]

yea i mean the Hyte Y60 kinda sucks for cooling, you can fit 2 rads in it, one fat 240 and one thin 360

but compared to a lian li evo thats like half the radiator capacity

[full fossil]

which is totally fine, but i still wanna mince the numbers before i decide on a block. otherwise i might just have aesthetics be the overarching factor.

where my external rad bretheren at?

[tawdry rapids]

yea go for aesthetics

[full fossil]

dont see those often

im gonna be externally mounting a 480 outside of my evolv ATX

[tawdry rapids]

like into the Lian Li o11 XL you can fit in about double if not more of this amount of cooling

[quiet star]

hmm true

hbut ive seen people fit like 9+ fans in the hyte y60\

[tawdry rapids]

fans dont mean cooling power directly

[quiet star]

oh i see

[tawdry rapids]

theres a case with like 18 or something fan mounts

it has one of the worst airflow patterns and it cant cool anything basically

[quiet star]

lmao

[tawdry rapids]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNfsG-Ai2PA

here is a proper benchmark of the cases cooling capabilities with air cooling

it struggles with even last gen hardware, this case is not the way to go for a 4090 and a 7950X without water, and tbh, even with water i wouldn't do it

not to say its not doable, you can

[quiet star]

whats a good case then?

[tawdry rapids]

if you want that kinda look

lian li pc o11 evo or XL

it has essentially the same layout

[full fossil]

airflow geometry plays a big role in cooling capacity, just throwing it out there to confirm.

[tawdry rapids]

yea ofcourse it does

it also depends on how youre designing a custom loop, if youre looping

[full fossil]

mismatched airflow results in turbulent air that sits rather than efficiently exhausts

[tawdry rapids]

you can actually have high pressure be better than no pressure, same with low pressure

it really depends on the case, and what other cooling parts you have

[full fossil]

yup

im surprised someone hasnt created a calculator for fan orientations inside of typical cases for optimal flow patterns.

[tawdry rapids]

for example, if youre running a 120mm radiator only for a CPU, youd rather have a bunch of intake and high pressure to force air through the rad

[full fossil]

but in the context of a water loop, what is most efficient in your opinion?

in terms of loop orientation, not fans.

[tawdry rapids]

ah you mean like in which order to put parts in?

[quiet star]

so i should return the hyte y60 and get the 011 dynamic

[tawdry rapids]

id do that if i were you

[quiet star]

but even if i have the 011 dynamic evo i cant do customm water cooling

[tawdry rapids]

you can, o11 actually makes it EXTREMELY easy

[tawdry rapids]

im assuming you mean like, in which order to put your parts?

if so, it doesnt matter, because water temperature will normalize within the loop for long workloads

[quiet star]

and does the case support the motherboar?D

[tawdry rapids]

it should

[quiet star]

howe can i check

[full fossil]

nah not order, i know it normalizes, but relative location of pump vs rads vs waterblocks.

also, thoughts on loop length?

[tawdry rapids]

ohhhh, ok, well, usually you dont have a choice, but i put my pump below everything basically

but you cant always do that, if you have a rad at the bottom, thats fine

loop length doesnt matter aslong as your pump can handle it

a longer loop is annoying tho because you need more fluid

[tawdry rapids]

i kinda dont think you can, youll have to ask the owners of both products or wait till someone sees if theyre compatible, this is why EATX is a shitty standard btw

i dont see a reason for it to not be compatible

[full fossil]

are the pumps on the market pretty much the same?

my MCP655 from 10 years ago is still going strong in my loop

curious if i should look into newer pumps for my new loop

[quiet star]

I checked dimensions and combapibility it can fit it

[orchid swallow]

holy

bingis

[slate wing]

There are other reason to hate Nvidia like not actually open sourcing their drivers (only open sourced the kernel modules for Linux iirc) and continuous anti competitive practices.

[tawdry rapids]

omg why didnt i print these combs sooner

these work so well and tidy this build up so well too

[full fossil]

what combs?

also thoughts on pumps on the market currently? fine with the mcp655 or are there beefier options?

[tawdry rapids]

i 3D printed myself cable combs for my sleeved cables (i sleeved the cables by hand)

[full fossil]

thats a throw back for me, i sleeved my entire PSU back in 2011.

is mdpc still around? they had some crazy quality sleeves

[tawdry rapids]

thats exactly what im using!

[hoary furnace]

yep

[tawdry rapids]

i didnt even switch out the PSU cables, just sleeved the stock ones

[hoary furnace]

I did some sleeving with mdpc a while back too

[tawdry rapids]

theyre amazing

[gilded quest]

how long do you reckon that took?

[hoary furnace]

I got very bored of it

[full fossil]

glad to see they're still around, i still have their sleeves from 10 years ago

[tawdry rapids]

their plastic? i guess sleeves are amazing to work with

you can get a 24 pin done in like half an hour

[full fossil]

im very meticulous about the cables, making sure the heatshrink is even on each cable end, and making sure the sleeves sits 1:1 with the cable.

definitely plan to spend atleast 4-6 hours on it, minimum, depending on your proficiency/

i was using existing cables so i needed to unpin everything, starting with cables from scratch may be easier.

here are my cables from 11 years ago: https://www.modsrigs.com/UploadImages/741968/28003/59104a505556.jpg

https://www.modsrigs.com/UploadImages/741968/28003/49bb5a900594.jpg

thats assuming you're doing all the cables btw.

a 24 pin id say would take 1-2 hours

faster if you have everything prepped

[shrewd karma]

Damn this pc is clean af

Not even a dust particle

[full fossil]

thanks, i built that back when i was still in high school.

jr in high school, damn time flies

[shrewd karma]

Looks very nice, well done!

[full fossil]

i havent done anything crazy like that since, trying to go all out on my next build.

[shrewd karma]

Yes time flies, I'm almost in my thirties

[full fossil]

a lot more offerings in the watercooling market now, slowly getting reacclimated with it all.

yup, 28 here.

[shrewd karma]

For me I've kinda gotten bored of the whole pc thing

Maybe age, maybe too much time wasted on custom builds

I really think there is a time when we will just want to get a console or like a good laptop and just chill

[full fossil]

yeah i know exactly what you mean, i wish i still had that childish glamour for doing all this stuff.

[shrewd karma]

Bro, i used to get so exciting for spending days trying to troubleshoot anything pc related

excited*

[full fossil]

right?!

so many little projects.

[shrewd karma]

Countless days researching through forums cause youtube wasnt a thing

[full fossil]

i still like a nicely built PC but being older its easier to realize how we're mincing small percentages for performance boosts vs time sinks.

[shrewd karma]

I like a pc like that too but im not doing watercooled after the last leakage incident i had

[full fossil]

even now, with some disposable income to blow i find myself second guessing whether i should go all out or just piece together the components I actually need and call it a day.

[shrewd karma]

Basically i came home from work and everything was flooded ( pc was turned off )

[full fossil]

one goal ive always wanted to do is an almost modular water cooling loop where i can easily add radiators and other components using quick disconnects.

ouch, thats not fun.

i consider myself pretty lucky, my loop from 2010 and then my most recent loop from 2016 have been running strong without any hiccups.

and i havent changed the water or done any maintenance on the 2016 one to this day 😂

[shrewd karma]

ahahahah i would have done the same as you

[full fossil]

after years of permeation i finally need to refill my reservoir in the 2016 build

[shrewd karma]

Set and forget

[full fossil]

i gotta find where all my old PC hardware spare parts are, chucked it into bins somewhere.

i have a 480 rad that i used in that 1000d build that i want to repurpose for my 13th gen loop

[shrewd karma]

My last system (current) has just fans and I've got a cat and if you look at it you will wonder how this thing hasnt cought fire yet, so much hair in it cause it sits on the floor

[full fossil]

loooool

[shrewd karma]

I'm seriously afraid of cleaning it

Every time i open it im just "fuck it"

Lately I've been having some issues with my gpu not always outputting and image on the monitor and i suspect it needs a good cleaning

Will probably take it yo my workspace tomorrow and use the pressurised air thing we have, all in hopes that it will turn on again, will probably replace the thermal pastes on cpu and gpu too

[full fossil]

yeah those are long overdue for me

[shrewd karma]

After that i might seriously think of using watercooled but without a tank

[full fossil]

i know i have a massive dust collection in my rad, just cant be arsed to disassembly the loop for cleaning

[shrewd karma]

The other fixed solution with a radiator

One for cpu and the other one for my gpu

[full fossil]

you mean without a reservoir?

[shrewd karma]

Yeah

[full fossil]

been looking into the same thing

they make some pump +rad combos.

[shrewd karma]

seems safer i think

[full fossil]

im going to externally mount the reservoir, pump and radiator in my next build.

might look a bit goofy but it'll allow me to simplify the loop

[shrewd karma]

Basically using something just air cooled cuts its lifespan on half

ofcourse im talking about gaming system were the limits are pushed everyday

[full fossil]

word

[shrewd karma]

I just hope this isnt the case for my system cause I'll cry

then I'll seriously say fuck it and just get a ps5 & lappy combo 😂

Literally will cost me less than a gpu

[full fossil]

lol, i dont think i can go strictly console.

i like my 3440x1440 too much

[shrewd karma]

meh, it wont be enjoyable for me either but man, the bliss of pushing a button and chilling is priceless

I don't really think they appreciate the customers as much since custom pc building became mainstream, too much cheap stuff overpriced as hell

Used to be able to get a proper mid-high end gpu for 200$ now they charge 600-800$ for basically the same tier

[night heron]

mid-high end gpus haven’t been $200 ever

[shrewd karma]

5-8 years ago

Where the highest end consumer gpu was an 1080Ti

[night heron]

1070 launch price - $379

6700xts are sub $300 nowadays

so mid range gpus are the same price they’ve always been

[shrewd karma]

And two months later 250-280

[vapid smelt]

in a month radeon 7000 is out

[shrewd karma]

It's very different per country

[night heron]

usually the pricing is equivalent across countries after conversion and tax

but there’s edge cases where it isn’t

[shell valley]

inflation matters also on pricing per where you are at.

[full fossil]

absolutely on the overpriced front.

[atomic osprey]

Saw new movie comes out next year

Hype

[shrewd karma]

F

[finite cloud]

Bad cable?

[shrewd karma]

That's exactly why im tired of PC's, just random bullshit appearing and having to spend hours "fixing" things

[finite cloud]

Usually if that happens I check if the power cable is plugged in properly or the display cable is broke/lose

[shrewd karma]

Maybe the cable moved, maybe the port is loose

hdmi as a cable is stupid anyways, no way to be secured in place

[night heron]

yeah if you’re looking at new cards that’s equivalent to the US

my sub $300 was used cards on ebay

cards are $400-430 new on amazon and after adding 10% tax that puts you at $440-473 so it’s the same

[orchid swallow]

used 1080 tis are like $200 now pretty crazy

[finite cloud]

What have you tired? All I can recommend is trying basic stuff

[shrewd karma]

Maybe the adapter went eol

Try the same thing on a different monitor?

[finite cloud]

Do you have another vga monitor?

Alright try using the adapter on that and see what happens

[analog kraken]

Anyone I can ask for which monitor to get there’s these 2 monitors literally 2 from the same brand but look almost identical but one is a curved monitor

[full fossil]

holy crap, they are. wow thats wild

i wish there was better support for SLI, otherwise id snag another 1080 ti in tandem with my current one

SLI was so nice in theory.

[orchid swallow]

actually less than that

closer to $150-$180

[shrewd karma]

welp

Seems like a monitor issue

vga in is the only input that monitor accepts?

Cause you could try dp to hdmi

Seemed far more reliable last time i used

Can you see if any pins are bent in the vpa input of the monitor?

vga*

What in the fuckery is going on then

[full fossil]

anyone in here watercool their RAM and other components?

[sonic barn]

They don't generate that much heat due to low wattage

[zealous path]

Hello Guyys I am gonna download ubuntu but it is also giving me an option of dual boot can I use it? I mean will it affect my ssd performance or anything harmful?

Can someone answeer me quickly I am on live boot and my pc is burning

[sonic barn]

If you partitioned it

[zealous path]

No

[sonic barn]

Then you gotta do it in the partitioner

[zealous path]

Wait

[sonic barn]

Configurer the storage you want

[zealous path]

See

When you are downloading ubuntu it gives you a option of download ubuntu alongside of the os u already have

So if I will dualboot will it affect my ssd performance

Can you answer me quickly brooo Please

You sayin somethign GinGor? Please answer me quick man my pc is almost about to touch 75 degrees

[unborn flare]

it will not affect your ssd performance as both windows and ubuntu willl boot at different intervals and both have different filesystems so there is little chance of any slowdowns or such

[zealous path]

No it's not windows

It's pop os

and slowdown in what? booting?

[full fossil]

yeah, im just curious to know of any mad lads who do it.

[unborn flare]

ye no problems at all if both of them are linux only windows seems to act up sometimes

[zealous path]

oh okay thank you soo much you saved up my time!

[fossil frost]

that depends on the SSD... smaller SSDs only have a very small percentage of dynamic SLC cache, so if you halve your drive with 2 partitions, depending on the controller used in the SSD, dual booting (or essentially, making your drive appear smaller to the OS), CAN have an effect on drive performance

[unborn flare]

ye i don't think they'll be filling their boot drive just with their OS but good point ig

[zealous path]

Wait what? the ubuntu downloader isn't giving me a option of the ssd

[zealous path]

Idontthinkso. I have 256gb of ssd

I guess it's not that small

Why isn't ubuntu giving me a option of my ssd

[fossil frost]

you dont need to fill it, depending on the controller used in the SSD, the controller may be aware of the partitions, and if it is, it will treat the 2 partitions as virtual devices

[vapid smelt]

anything under 1tb is small

[fossil frost]

256gb drives are REALLY small for SSDs

and have proportionally TINY dynamic SLC cache percentage sizes

[zealous path]

oh! I don't usually do anything on my actual drive I use google drive mostly so I have a lot of space left also i don't play any video games or don't have junk on my pc

[fossil frost]

ie. a 256gb drive might have 5%, 512gb might have 10%, which is a larger percentage, AND a larger raw number... where as 1tb drives are anything up to 25% dynamic SLC cache...

[zealous path]

although I have a 1tb of harddrive which is completely means completely empty lol

btw what should I do now I don't see my ssd being listed in the installation

Hello?

Okay last thign

Does changing os again and again on ssd harms it? or slows it down?

GinGor or bizzehdee or any professional?

[vapid smelt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CLmmP6/inland-performance-plus-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-329474 high end 1tb gen 4 ssds are only $88 now

[zealous path]

I don't need that right Now I need an answer pls bruh does changing os again and again harms the speed or the performance of the ssd?

[slate wing]

having a SLC cache isnt that important as even TLC is fast enough these days. Also your cache shouldn't be filling up that fast unless you are doing huge sequential writes on a ssd which you shouldn't.

[zealous path]

So changing os again and again will affect it?

[vapid smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0oa3Qiz5tw&t=17s

[slate wing]

I have no idea what your talking about.

[zealous path]

Does changing os again and again affects the speed or performance of the os?

[slate wing]

No? Unless your storage device or hardware degrades?

[sonic barn]

Your partitions can be messed up

[shrewd karma]

It's called read & write cycles, the more you do it the more the ssd performance will drop

[zealous path]

No I guess I am I will just downlod ubuntu

[slate wing]

Don't use Ubuntu.

[zealous path]

Why?

[sonic barn]

I use kde neon

[vapid smelt]

use Hannah Montana os

[sonic barn]

Kubuntu> stock Ubuntu

[shrewd karma]

Justin Bieber os is better

[slate wing]

Ubuntu is bloated as shit, slow for no reason (looking at you snap), and does not respect your privacy.

Preferably use mint or nobara Linux.

[zealous path]

OH than I am using pop os already

[sonic barn]

Mint is debian based

[shrewd karma]

poop os

[slate wing]

So?

[unborn flare]

i am really skeptical about this claim like REALLY would love some source if you could provide it

[sonic barn]

You'll get snap issues too same with ubuntu

[zealous path]

wtf? It have the drivers I need for nvidia

[sonic barn]

Flatpak can be downloaded on both as well

[vapid smelt]

you suffer

[shrewd karma]

Every Linux distro had those drivers

has*

[slate wing]

Only if you use snap packages. Ubuntus store defaults to them which is anoyinf af.

[unborn flare]

like every distro?

[zealous path]

I cant find a distro that have nvidia drivers I used manjaro but I wasn't sure that it was having the nvida drivers

[finite cloud]

Actually a lot of them don’t but some do

[shrewd karma]

Just use arch with kde

[slate wing]

Nvidia's drivers are not complaint with many distros licenses or philosophy and that's why they don't come with most.

[hoary furnace]

ubuntu minimal is alright

[fossil frost]

just google "slc caching" and see that almost all NVME drives below the halo drives for a company, use SLC caching

[zealous path]

Oh

[shrewd karma]

They don't come with but you can install them yourself

[finite cloud]

Yeah

[slate wing]

Inb4 someone bitches about arch being unstable.

[zealous path]

Btw are the latest version of nvidia drivers avaiable?

[slate wing]

Linux has up to date drivers yes.

[zealous path]

But will you have the guarantee that they are actually working?

[shrewd karma]

It's as unstable as the user using it

[zealous path]

latest nvidia driver is 522.25

[shrewd karma]

Not even Nvidia guarantees that

[fossil frost]

you install your own drivers, same as you do with windows... and you check they work, like you do on windows

[zealous path]

I don't see that it's avaiable on linux

[zealous path]

That's the problem

[shrewd karma]

Welp

That's the fun of Linux, you figure it out yourself

[slate wing]

Well if you were on nobara it comes with up to date or if you were on arch it's as simple as Nvidia dkms. I can't speak for pop os

[zealous path]

on windows you got the control panel but here you got nothing but on pop os u got the options btn nvidia compute integrated graphics

[zealous path]

but how?

[zealous path]

really?

[fossil frost]

the control panel isnt part of the drivers, its an app that just happens to come with the drivers

[shrewd karma]

You get an image on the monitor? Fps good? Temps good? It works fine.

[zealous path]

wdym nobara

[unborn flare]

not about SLC caching but about the reduction in drive performance due to creating a partition as i think ssd doesn't give a shit about partition and still stores data in blocks and there shouldn't be a reduction in available cache to the drive reads but i may be wrong

[zealous path]

the temp of the cpu usually rises up when doing multiple tasks

[shrewd karma]

aren't we talking about the gpu?

[cyan gate]

does anyone have a 12th gen cpu and throw it in cinibench

only for it to jump to 100 c in like twelve seconds

[unborn flare]

nobara linux https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtY_KPgHCWE

[zealous path]

yeah but I am saying that on pop os even I am confused if the gpu is working or not cuz the cpu temp rises up and it feels like the tasks that is supposed to handle by gpu is being handled by the cpu itself

[slate wing]

"Perfect Linux distro" my ass. Link the actual project page.
https://nobaraproject.org/

[unborn flare]

it's just a video title to attract clicks ig kekw

[zealous path]

UHh nobara is fedora? or what?

[shrewd karma]

That's not a thing

cpu handles what it's supposed to handle

[zealous path]

oh okay

[slate wing]

It's still anoying and feeds into the "you should have used distro X instead" hate thrown around.

[zealous path]

Anyways! so should I download ubuntu? the install button is infront of me

[shrewd karma]

what's wrong with pop os even

[slate wing]

Keep using pop or use mint/nobara.
Ubuntu is dead.

[shrewd karma]

Why dual boot two linux distros?

[zealous path]

Holy crap! the ram usuage on ubuntu is 60%???????????

[unborn flare]

same can't really see any benefits with the switch

[zealous path]

I am trying to find a distro that is right for me! Pop os is great I don't get the feeling of using my fav linux distro

[shrewd karma]

if it works it works, don't even update it

[zealous path]

LOL in some sense you are right

[shrewd karma]

Distro hoping is a deep rabbit hole

[unborn flare]

pretty sure ubuntu isn't that distro

[zealous path]

Oh okay! then which distro should I choose?

[shrewd karma]

Average arch user

[zealous path]

which distro do you use Gingor and you

[slate wing]

Beruh if you don't do yay -Syu --devel every day are you a real arch user.

[shrewd karma]

arch with kde

[unborn flare]

i use endeavour OS with KDE

[shrewd karma]

Yeah, no thank you.

[zealous path]

oh I like arch though my bro is using arch (manjaro )

Should I choose arch linux?

[slate wing]

Don't use Manjaro. Manjaro shouldn't even be called arch.

[shrewd karma]

Man, did i insult you?

😂😂😂

[zealous path]

Oh no no! But srsly which distro is great in your opinion?

[shrewd karma]

pure arch with kde

[fossil frost]

thats like asking which flavour of ice cream is the best

[shrewd karma]

idk how many times I've said this sentence todat

[zealous path]

hmm than what am i suppose to do? i don't want my ssd to get slow

[slate wing]

Don't make him install pure, endeavor os is fine.

[zealous path]

wait but I can test those distros before installing them

[hoary furnace]

As someone who's been using centos pretty much nonstop for the last 10 years, give an F

[shrewd karma]

Eh, use anarchy installer and you good

[unborn flare]

ye live environment

[fossil frost]

"slow" is relative.. .yes.. it can degrade performance... but no, it is not likely, unless you transfer several 10s of gb's at once and do that often

[zealous path]

HMm I don't use windows bro

[slate wing]

Almost every distro you can boot into a live environment off a usd stick. It's actually how you install nearly all of them.

[fossil frost]

where did i mention windows?

[shrewd karma]

i mean....you pretty much change the desktop environment 😂

That's probably the feel that you are looking for

[zealous path]

windows is the only thing that takes up 10gb or even maybe more than that

not linux

[shrewd karma]

10gb of what?

[unborn flare]

bruh he means file transfers

[zealous path]

Oh! SOrry I misunderstood

[fossil frost]

ok, maybe you have never worked with large scale software projects, or with video projects, or cad projects, each of which can run 10s or 100s of GB's

[unborn flare]

not on his boot drive atleast

[fossil frost]

and also never used debian, which also installs to 10s of GB

[zealous path]

Nah i am just a simple coder or a programmer

[sonic barn]

Wait until you see your caches

[zealous path]

Just that I don't play games or anything much on the computer

[shrewd karma]

script kid is the best term

[sonic barn]

And dependencies that can't be removed

[shrewd karma]

jk of course

[sonic barn]

Code me like a Dom element 😳

[shrewd karma]

If you just code a wsl would be enough for you

[hoary furnace]

Do you just tick install everything lol

[shrewd karma]

kinda

[sonic barn]

wsl is emulated

[zealous path]

Yep windows usually takes up more than 70% of my ram and call it caching and when I asked people on the microsoft server they said "you should be thankful of that, windows is trying to give you the best performance"

[sonic barn]

Some features won't work

[hoary furnace]

Because you cna install debian a lot smaller than 10gb

[sonic barn]

I use Linux on my laptop because I like customizing the ui

[shrewd karma]

Ye thats what happens when you running at 8gb of ram

[zealous path]

btw lemme just shutdown this live usb boot

[unborn flare]

i think he has 4 gb

[shrewd karma]

bruh

Puppylinux to the rescue

[zealous path]

before that! How can I install arch linux? in a easy way

[fossil frost]

as i said, never seen large scale software projects... the codebase for the solution i work on at work is 23gb. and pressing build, boosts that to over 70gb (although the /bin directory ends up being only around 900mb once its all linked and optimised)

[wraith sonnet]

Anyone know of a mod for source games to allow you to use a second mouse wheel (specially a left and right wheel) for inputs?

[zealous path]

No 8gb can be extended to 16 though

[shrewd karma]

anarchy installer

[unborn flare]

just do fedora

[sonic barn]

there's macros for csgo

some txt file

[wraith sonnet]

I want it for TF2

[zealous path]

k, GinGor I tried fedora isn't for me

[shrewd karma]

People still playing tf2?!?

[sonic barn]

support sucks for my thinkpad on fedora, no one made a fix for the webcam

[wraith sonnet]

Literally was played at whale lan

[unborn flare]

just go with endeavour OS don't go for vanilla arch

[hoary furnace]

fedora started to die when they killed centos

no one trusts redhat anymore

[bronze trench]

lads I need me some tech support

[wispy marsh]

Enterprise does

[shrewd karma]

Listen to gingor, you might cry with pure arch

[bronze trench]

where can I get it ?

[wispy marsh]

Probably linus tech tips

[sonic barn]

ubuntu is the only distro that is mainstream

[fossil frost]

depends... if you ask a question in #1027757333117415424 , you might get an answer

[sonic barn]

and debian

[wraith sonnet]

Chrome os, Android

[bronze trench]

it's a software issue

thanks

[hoary furnace]

All the enterprises I know are moving off it, including where I work

[unborn flare]

i see but i still think he will probably have lesser issues on fedora than scratching his head off on an arch based system

[shrewd karma]

not* 😂

[fossil frost]

dont EXPECT an answer though

[zealous path]

Okay i am inside pop now! endeavour? Does it have nvidia os?

[hoary furnace]

Have you tried Google

[shrewd karma]

Bro, what the hell is nvidia os?

[vapid smelt]

#1027757333117415424 #linux

[unborn flare]

ye nvidia drivers are supported out of the box

[zealous path]

OOps ! mean nvidia drivers

[wispy marsh]

Government then

[shrewd karma]

Every distro has the open source stuff that gets used out of the box

[vapid smelt]

this new hp laptop looks great

[unborn flare]

he talking about the proprietary nvidia drivers

[fossil frost]

these all sound like questions that would be easily google-able, and would be better asked in the forums of the individual distros

[hoary furnace]

Ah yes, they are slow and don't mind paying a lot of money

[zealous path]

K

[sonic barn]

nvidia database when

[unborn flare]

yea pretty much

[shrewd karma]

le me hack them with my arch machine, I'll leak it

[slate moon]

I made a pumpkin pc

[shrewd karma]

Send pic or it never happened

[bronze trench]

yikes

[sonic barn]

a little bit of sql injection trolling

drop all tables

[slate moon]

It’s a pc inside a carved out pumpkin what’s there to show

[zealous path]

What about garuda os is it good?

[wispy marsh]

Just use ubuntu server

It's good and works

[shrewd karma]

It's not that you are paying for the support eh?

[sonic barn]

paying extra for the cards though

[fossil frost]

people are here for fun, and are not paid to help you, if you ask a question, somebody may be able to help you, and will expect that you have at least tried the basics yourself first. and if nobody can help you, then you have to continue down the google rabbit hole on your own

[zealous path]

GinGor what about garuda os?

[shrewd karma]

What cards

[sonic barn]

they're like 10k for a card that performs on par with a rtx 3090 in most cases

rtx 4000

[bronze trench]

I'm not expecting anything it's just that you guys make it seem pointless to ask

[sonic barn]

and all that

[hoary furnace]

Everyone is in a spicy Linux battle atm

[shrewd karma]

Dude, just ask and hope for the best

[fossil frost]

what we are saying is, you are going to have a bad time if you havnt already tried the basics of doing your own research first

[hoary furnace]

You should tell them to use emacs

[bronze trench]

that's what I did 💀

[bronze trench]

I have

[sonic barn]

til someone here says they use macos and say its linux

[shrewd karma]

No, i mean ask at the specific place

[fossil frost]

then you will have a less painful time 🙂

[hoary furnace]

You asked to ask, not asked right

[bronze trench]

you mean #1027757333117415424 ?

[shrewd karma]

Ye

[bronze trench]

well I have then

[unborn flare]

he already did that

[jovial depot]

LETS GOOO. I got a 90 on my algebra 2 test

[shrewd karma]

Oke, now you wait

[bronze trench]

oke np

[shrewd karma]

I have asked since friday

Left on read

[unborn flare]

ye just wait for someone to answer

[jovial depot]

@sonic barn why that reaction brah

[shrewd karma]

Its life

[jovial depot]

again 😭

[sonic barn]

algebra 2 is easy

[bronze trench]

well I'll just busy myself with studies

see ya lads thanks for the help

wish ya'll the best

[vapid smelt]

nerd

[unborn flare]

👍

[shrewd karma]

Study so you can afford to buy the solutions instead of asking ltt forums

[bronze trench]

I have an exam tomorrow

[jovial depot]

yea ik its easy. Thats why i got a 90 on the test

[fossil frost]

it appears that having an open mind and realising that not everyone is you, is quite difficult though

[sonic barn]

even they said its easy

[shrewd karma]

einsteins on the making

[unborn flare]

seems like it

kek

[shrewd karma]

its still Thursday 😞

Wow

Tuesday

[orchid swallow]

walk in a burger king cus it happens to be nearby

literally a ghost town

no one in or at register

[shrewd karma]

steal

[orchid swallow]

just ominous beeping

[sonic barn]

yeah because the prices went up same with mcdonalds across the board due to "inflation"

no one is buying things anymore

also no one working min wage

[shrewd karma]

i hope those corpos shut down

[vapid smelt]

im robing the place everyone is in the freezer

[sonic barn]

they can exist off subsidies at this point

[shrewd karma]

for how long

[sonic barn]

for as long as you pay tax

[vapid smelt]

why put inflation in " "

[fossil frost]

mcdonalds is largely franchises, corporate mcdonalds will never fail, although individual franchises may end up falling over, the wider machine will still go on

[shrewd karma]

Because its made up

[sonic barn]

business are aritificially driving prices up

[worldly kayak]

i just got a samsung g50a monitor!!

[vapid smelt]

so is money

[fossil frost]

so is the entire financial system that inflation is a part of

[sonic barn]

look at commodities

[worldly kayak]

hi coopa

[shrewd karma]

ok and?

"money" then

[sonic barn]

ttf futures (nat gas for europe) looks like a sawtooth wave

[orchid swallow]

literally there are 2 guys in here with no food using it as an internet cafe lol

also mcdonalds is quite cheap if u game them

[shrewd karma]

Imaging LAN in an empty burger king

[orchid swallow]

u could literally do that uninterupted

[sonic barn]

isn't the big mac the only good priced item in terms of calories

[orchid swallow]

for hours on end

[fossil frost]

i would accidentally spill my coffee on their macbook for that... fucking leaches

[shrewd karma]

stop eating shit

[orchid swallow]

actually the mcdouble is best value

and the mcchicken

and u never buy in meals

[vapid smelt]

*the government totally didn't print trillions during covid

[sonic barn]

jerome powell didn't even pay back bonds yet

💀

next rate increase is on wednesday

[orchid swallow]

also mcdonalds app for $1 large fries everytime

[shrewd karma]

.

[orchid swallow]

lol its kinda sad

there are 2 employees in now

[sonic barn]

I never eat at mcdonalds or fast food places

[orchid swallow]

they were just in the back before

[fossil frost]

its almost like there isnt a war going on in eastern europe too... with most of the continent now being cut off from the cheap fuel they are used to for cheap prices for energy for homes and businesses

[shrewd karma]

Probably fucking or smoking crack

[orchid swallow]

yea

probably

[sonic barn]

at my old job I was a keyholder and did stuff a manager and region rep would do managing transfers and inventory as well as the store and pallets

[shrewd karma]

I'll keep vaping my cookie doe flavor

[fossil frost]

not really no... it just pisses me off when i go into anywhere, and there are 9 carbon copies of the same guy/girl with a macbook, just looking at a half written document, and havnt paid for a single thing, and no paying customer can actually sit anywhere

[sonic barn]

there was like 2 people legit doing some stuff one day

we had to fire them

one of them was the friend of the manager

[shrewd karma]

lmao

[sonic barn]

and she legit never answered the phone when we needed to contact her

[orchid swallow]

doing what

[sonic barn]

crack

[shrewd karma]

off work hours?

[sonic barn]

on work hours

[shrewd karma]

Damn

[sonic barn]

she has a contract

[orchid swallow]

lol

i take gunmmies on shift so

[shrewd karma]

xD

[orchid swallow]

who can tell even

[shrewd karma]

I use heavy machinery, i wished i could do that too

[sonic barn]

take them on halloween

[fossil frost]

if you can take them and nobody can tell, you are doing a job not worth doing, or, are bad at your job anyway

[orchid swallow]

halloween was yesterday

[sonic barn]

or people just don't care

[shrewd karma]

Or you are paid the minimum wage so they can't tell you anything

[orchid swallow]

i cant do more than a shitty part time while in college

[shrewd karma]

Maybe they short stuffed too

[orchid swallow]

next sem i might look for something similar but more relevant to my major i guess

[shrewd karma]

drugs are fun in the beginning then they just a habit

Expensive one too

[fossil frost]

i already have enough expensive hobbies as it is

[orchid swallow]

do u think linus smokes crack

[shrewd karma]

no

[orchid swallow]

maybe

[shrewd karma]

He has his shit together, also he is a kid of a different decade

[vapid smelt]

my drug tolerance is too strong i would need to buy out a dealer to get my fix

[shrewd karma]

prone*

[sonic barn]

ofc that's how he stays so energized in the vids

same with riley

they are 100% on crack

[vapid smelt]

riley is his dealer thats why he hired him

[hoary furnace]

No, it's adhd so it's probably concerta

[shrewd karma]

what the hell even

If we all had our shit together we would be that happy and energetic too

[vapid smelt]

i take Methylphenidate (concerta) and im still sloth like most the day

[fossil frost]

discovered a new hobby recently... as the kids age out of their toys, any of them that are electronics based.... disassemble them, figure out how they work, and harvest any usable parts... its a hobby that appears to be rubbing off on the 7yo too, because he loves seeing how things work and how things are put together, and hes been over my shoulder the last couple of days while im fixing his hoverboard 😄

[sonic barn]

linus reminds me of zuckles from the misfits channel

[vapid smelt]

i remember watching him in the rust days

[sonic barn]

he's scooby doo

[vapid smelt]

hes a fury now?! 🤢

[sonic barn]

no watch the vid for halloween

cracked scooby doo

I would post the vid but its not family friendly

funny though

[orchid swallow]

linus on adderall?

[hoary furnace]

same as my fiance

[orchid swallow]

i am honestly considering it

im a train wreck

[sonic barn]

considering what

[orchid swallow]

getting an adhd diagnoses

[fossil frost]

maybe taking more drugs isnt the answer, and maybe the answer is working on your mental health without them?

[orchid swallow]

its kinda arbitrary a lot of the time anyways

i feel like itd benefit me

[sonic barn]

mental health is just personal distress

[vapid smelt]

$100 a bottle bb

[orchid swallow]

i think there is some validity to adhd diagnoses though, if it was something people could overcome on their own they probably could but modern work culture is something else

not everyones brain is chemically suited

[hoary furnace]

I know, i was paying for hers for ages because i was the one employed hah

[vapid smelt]

the fast acting is so much cheaper

[orchid swallow]

wtf doesnt insurance cover more

or is concerta more expensive

how many per bottle

[vapid smelt]

once we reach our deductible is $5ish

[sonic barn]

do you guys see a lot of those church people out trying to evangelize people

aka get donations

[orchid swallow]

ah so not that bad lol

right?

i guess if thats the price u pay to b a functional human probably worth it

and the years it allegedly takes off ppls lives

[vapid smelt]

$100 a bottle/month for like half the year then we normally hit our deductible

[orchid swallow]

so basically 600 a year

[vapid smelt]

yup

[orchid swallow]

650 or something

not that bad ig

[vapid smelt]

a full paycheck a year

[orchid swallow]

30 pills per bottle?

[vapid smelt]

think its like 34?

but i dont take it on weekends so it last longer than a month

[orchid swallow]

whend u get diagnosed, whyd u go in

[vapid smelt]

i was sleeping 17 hours a night 🙂

[orchid swallow]

wow lazy ass just wake up and b normal

follow this utube guide on how to be more productive

[vapid smelt]

i have low thyroid

[orchid swallow]

ah

[shrewd karma]

day*

😂😂😂

[vapid smelt]

so i got thyroid medication and Methylphenidate

[vapid smelt]

its not morning till i wake up

[shrewd karma]

lol

[hoary furnace]

here we got it privately, so not covered by nhs

[sonic barn]

boris johnson land?

[vapid smelt]

Methylphenidate is the "off brand" if i recall right

[hoary furnace]

yes

[sonic barn]

he should've became a twitch streamer

[vapid smelt]

thought medical shit in the uk was free

[hoary furnace]

yeah, i think concerta xl is important tos ay because they have a different delivery method

All prescriptions are pretty much capped at ~$10 unless exempt for being a child or old

[vapid smelt]

my Methylphenidate is long lasting so i get burst of energy throughout the day

[hoary furnace]

but we have private doctors and such because work pays for insurance

[orchid swallow]

adderall is generally cheaper right

[hoary furnace]

she could get it on the nhs, but there would be a longer wait and less time with the doctor

yeah

[shrewd karma]

Nothing is actually free, you still play for it somehow

[hoary furnace]

free at point of service

and you pay an average of the countries, not your own either negligble or insane bill

[orchid swallow]

i seriously dont get how people function

i think i need meds tbh

[hoary furnace]

nhs is just the governments own insurance company, only they don't fuck you over when you try to claim

[vapid smelt]

Like your free rent 😉

[shrewd karma]

When there is no other choice but function, you just do

[hoary furnace]

or you get sectioned

[shrewd karma]

Wish it was free

[orchid swallow]

free rent at ur mums house

[hoary furnace]

or if you cant afford that, america, then you die

[indigo remnant]

whats better a 3060 or a 6650

[orchid swallow]

yea

[shrewd karma]

An 9050

best gpu on the planet

[hoary furnace]

6650 is 3590 better

[unborn flare]

wha

[hoary furnace]

6650-3060=3590

[manic torrent]

eyyyyy you are my people

[shrewd karma]

oh no

Another nerd

[hoary furnace]

wait til you realise how to upgrade the batteries in them

and then they go zooooooooom

ever seen a nerf gun with a lipo battery and metal flywheels?

[shrewd karma]

Health hazard for others

[indigo remnant]

no i run

[hoary furnace]

yep, you have to be careful not to accidentally make it legally a firearm

[indigo remnant]

my brother once stuck thumbtacks on the tip of nerf bullets

[hoary furnace]

now that's dumb

[unborn flare]

i upgraded the battery capacity in one of my old RC car and it went from dead in 30 minutes to like 1 hr and still remaining

[indigo remnant]

nice what car

[vapid smelt]

unplug your sons ipad display and make him fix it

[hoary furnace]

alkaline batteries are nice, just a bit boring, because theyre safe

[unborn flare]

just a random one off of amazon kek

[indigo remnant]

is it toy grade or hobby grade

[orchid swallow]

holy me too

[manic torrent]

if it goes for an hour, toy grade 😄

[unborn flare]

oh well its a toy grade

[orchid swallow]

great minds think alike

[unborn flare]

hobby grade have much better battery life

[manic torrent]

My kraton EXB lasts for like 15-20 minutes, but it also has a 4200W motor.

[indigo remnant]

my RB10 and E4JR last about that much but they share a battery cos im poor

[sonic barn]

pour them in water and drink the battery juice

spicy

[vapid smelt]

@manic torrent you should make your son a dyi power wheels as a father son project

[hoary furnace]

of all my servers, this one seems to want to kill each other the most

[sonic barn]

servers as in restaurant or a server

[fossil frost]

I'm trying to work out how to fit a brushless Rc car motor and it's ESC into my 10yos electronic nerf gun 😁😁😁

[manic torrent]

dude, I already have plans, and I will be using a stepper motor for steering and adding RC (because he already has a little car)

[manic torrent]

I retrofitted the gear from a cheap RC car to my sons bubble machine

[indigo remnant]

then get metal darts

[vapid smelt]

Cool af

[orchid swallow]

that could be toxic actually

if you mix it with alkaline water maybe the neutealizes it idk

[indigo remnant]

thats why its fun

[orchid swallow]

oh ok

[manic torrent]

it's a bit jank because I challenged myself to do it on a $0 budget

[hoary furnace]

niice

[orchid swallow]

whether or not you buy alkaline or special water or whatever should b a litmus test

for whether or not ur allowed to have kids

stupidest scam

[sonic barn]

spicy juice

don't actually do it

[manic torrent]

even better, buy it and put lemon in it

[sonic barn]

your tongue should be the litmus test

[vapid smelt]

can we all agree puppies are cuter then human babies

[indigo remnant]

put some chloroform

[manic torrent]

it depends on the puppy and the baby

[sonic barn]

I think basic dries up your organs while acidic burns

[golden vault]

Ayo i have a fucked up question

[sonic barn]

this is the right place

[indigo remnant]

babies are ugly

[golden vault]

Lmao

Ever since playing today counter strike source, I got some crazy ass letters and numbers, crazy artifacts and then i got bsod video tdr failure, in the end my gpu got these artifacts and now it crashes every single time it boots
My gpu is a ati radeon hd 3450
Should i try fixing it by using a hair dryer to heat it??

[orchid swallow]

yes

[indigo remnant]

jerunamo steal some cheeeese

[orchid swallow]

seriously people that buy into that low ph water thing

[sonic barn]

I think you're hallucinating

[orchid swallow]

don't know what stomach acid is

[fossil frost]

my youngest would love that

[manic torrent]

the real problem isn't the VICTIMS of a scam, it is the perpetrators

[golden vault]

Yes

[manic torrent]

yeah it originally made bubbles WAY too fast and too much. The remote is genuinely useful 🙂

[orchid swallow]

I guess yea but I mean if people are willing to buy it not much the government can do

sorta like apple products

[manic torrent]

I mean, this is objectively false.

[orchid swallow]

the thing is its not necessarily misleading

people just don't know what alkaline means

[manic torrent]

plus, YOU are calling out the victims, and you are not the government

[fossil frost]

if what is being sold is objectively fake, and the marketing around it is intentionally misleading, then yese, there is a LOT that can be done

[sonic barn]

apple is a monopoly

they will be fined in the future imo

like microsoft was

[manic torrent]

I mean, monopoly isn't the right term, but I get where you're going

[sonic barn]

they wanna make apple cars

[fossil frost]

apple is part of the tech oligopoly

[sonic barn]

what happens if a apple car requires a subscription for using features and apple goes under

[manic torrent]

yes, and I'm not saying it's a good thing, but that's not what a monopoly is

[orchid swallow]

it's not fake, they just throw around vaguely positive sounding buzzwords that don't hold any legal significance

[sonic barn]

well they control the majority of market share for mobile

[fossil frost]

again, if the marketing is intentionally misleading, there is a lot that can be done

[sonic barn]

did you see their charts

they compared a rtx 3060 or something to a m1

[manic torrent]

also wrong

[orchid swallow]

oh im talking about alkaline water still lol

[sonic barn]

https://www.businessofapps.com/data/app-revenues/

[manic torrent]

https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile <- apple 28%. That is very very very far from a majority

[sonic barn]

talking about software space

[manic torrent]

You didn't say that though

app stores are effectively a duopoly

[orchid swallow]

not really in the case of most alkaline water brands, its sort of like labeling american cheese as cheese food or cheese product as opposed to just cheese

[sonic barn]

well they are a monopoly in that regard

I thought I was clear when I brought up the car example

subscriptions to keep them running on features

[full fossil]

hello everyone

[manic torrent]

that. is. not. what. a. monopoly. is.

[fossil frost]

you are changing the goalposts to support your argument after your argument has been proven false

[manic torrent]

again - I'm not saying that apple is good, but your language and references are sub-par at best

[sonic barn]

I am not talking about the iphones vs android phones

android is open sourced whereas ios isn't for instance

[fossil frost]

that still doesnt make apple a monopoly over anything

[sonic barn]

ios is a monopoly so apple is a monopoly controlling apps on their platform

[vapid smelt]

the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service

[sonic barn]

aka appstore

[vapid smelt]

apple is not the only one that makes phones

[sonic barn]

android allows you to install apks off anywhere

[manic torrent]

you are only forced into apple app store if you're using an apple phone

[orchid swallow]

I mean they technically can do that afaik. People don't complain about a lack of store options on console

[sonic barn]

ios you are restricted to appstore

[night heron]

ios isn’t a monopoly

[manic torrent]

yeah, but it is absolutely not the same thing.

[night heron]

ios is an operating system

[fossil frost]

and thats a choice you make when you choose an apple device, you are free to choose a non-apple device

making it not a monopoly...

[night heron]

a monopoly means a company has complete control of a market segment

[orchid swallow]

how so. I think legally they'd have the same rights

[sonic barn]

but apple controls it

[night heron]

android phones are alive and well

[sonic barn]

that's why I said apple is a monopoly

[night heron]

so literally anything that isn’t open source is a monopoly in your logic

[sonic barn]

they control everything on a platform

[vapid smelt]

a company controlling their product makes it a monopoly?

[fossil frost]

but they dont control all phones, or all operating systems... they control the one they make on their platform, but their platform isnt the only platform

[sonic barn]

well you can't install spotify adblock on ios can you

[night heron]

it’d be a monopoly if android didn’t exist

[fossil frost]

you are free to choose another platform

[sonic barn]

or revanced

[fossil frost]

you dont understand what a monopoly is

[manic torrent]

a console is very specifically for playing games and the price is low to get people in, They are very much a specific use tech item, unlike a phone, which performs many more functions, and is priced to make money in and of itself.

[sonic barn]

http://www.fosspatents.com/2022/10/outrage-over-apples-app-store-reaches.html

recent article

[orchid swallow]

Yea no I definitely agree, I think the laws definitely should be different but they just aren't. It's why I'll never buy apple anyways. I'm not going to pay a company to police what I can and can't do with their fucking overpriced hardware and shitty os

[vapid smelt]

apple is no the sole provider of smartphones

[night heron]

i like how you didn’t say shitty hardware because it isn’t shitty

apple silicon on top baby

[sonic barn]

but they own the sole store for getting apps

[night heron]

on their operating system

[fossil frost]

that still doesnt make it a monopoly

[night heron]

that you chose to buy

[sonic barn]

same could be said about windows

but they got fined

[manic torrent]

I mean it's a monopoly of app stores on apple phones.

[fossil frost]

if apple was the only provider of smart phones, and android phones, and all other smart phones didnt exist... then apple would have a monopoly... but they arent

[manic torrent]

but it's not a general monopoly in the traditional sense

[vapid smelt]

then bill supported and gave apple money so they could have more competition

[sonic barn]

if ios isn't a monopoly then why did microsoft get fined over windows being a monopoly

[vapid smelt]

market share

[manic torrent]

because that is entirely different?

[orchid swallow]

doesn't samsung block third party software by default as well

[fossil frost]

microsoft got fined because they paid system builders to use intel cpus and windows OS, and heavily market windows... and avoid all other non-microsoft-software

[unborn flare]

no it doesn't block it

[orchid swallow]

oh kk

[manic torrent]

which is like... textbook monopoly 101

[fossil frost]

microsoft never got fined for being a monopoly, they got fined for antitrust violations

[vapid smelt]

https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/knowledge/strategy/microsoft-antitrust-case/#:~:text=Microsoft was formally charged with,the company's browser%2C Internet Explorer.

[unborn flare]

that's an android security thing that is implemented on all phones that just prevents any random app from installing apks on your device

[manic torrent]

and... it's a simple toggle

[orchid swallow]

Guess so

I feel it's intentionally made difficult

[unborn flare]

yea that's why i said it doesn't necessarily "block" third party apps

[orchid swallow]

I forget what was the whole fortnite mobile situation

[fossil frost]

yes, its made difficult enough so it cant be done by accident, but easy enough that you can still do it if you want to do

[orchid swallow]

was that an apple or android issue

[manic torrent]

apple

[unborn flare]

apple store situation

[orchid swallow]

because of their ridiculous fee right

[fossil frost]

both, but directed mostly at apple, because epic tried to bypass an agreement they agreed to

[unborn flare]

appstore

[orchid swallow]

that shits garbage

I'm pretty sure there are alternative appstores on android

but they require it to be rooted iirc

[unborn flare]

no

[orchid swallow]

u can get them without rooting?

[fossil frost]

no they just require you to accept a permission when you install them

[orchid swallow]

ah

[unborn flare]

yea

[fossil frost]

and accepting that permission is there specifically to prevent the easy spread of malware

[orchid swallow]

but you can't get anything 3rd party at all on ios huh

[fossil frost]

and that is a choice you make when you choose the apple ecosystem, you are free to choose whatever ecosystem you want

[orchid swallow]

i guess so

how patronizing though

[wind narwhal]

whoever aced that lttstore scavenger hunt is nuts lmfao...

[unborn flare]

yep but that's just apple's way of doing things there are alternatives to iphones

[orchid swallow]

yep

apple users are the problem

[fossil frost]

no, they are just a different type of user to you

[orchid swallow]

no they are a problem

[fossil frost]

and you have no idea that other people have different needs and wants to you

[orchid swallow]

anyone that likes what i dont like is a problem

[unborn flare]

ok wtf

[vapid smelt]

some people want a hand holding tailored os/phone some people want more free rein experience

[limpid needle]

feels like this is just trolling now.

[nova musk]

Does ltt have a tv review list kinda thing

[manic torrent]

hmmm?

[orchid swallow]

im kidding but its existence still bothers me in the same way that the existence of alkaline water or zodiac esque nonsense does

[vapid smelt]

https://www.rtings.com/tv no but this Canadians site does

[rigid hinge]

i really need help

the pcie power wont go into the gpu power adapter

[limpid needle]

It's not even that for me. Ages ago Android had no access controls and apps could just access any data on the phone and run background services without any proper permission system. If you wanted to reign stuff like that in your only options were iOS or installing a custom ROM.

[fossil frost]

there are a few people in here who do, but probably a different type of h elp

[nova musk]

Thank you

[orchid swallow]

That's fair, I hate that android is essentially just google anyways

at least the most used fork of it

there are really no good options huh

[unborn flare]

custom roms are a thing

[orchid swallow]

I've heard of ones that remove google services

but they screw with underlying apis and such

make the device less usable

[unborn flare]

ye they can remove them

[limpid needle]

Installing a custom ROM generally requires compromising key physical security features of your phone. Or if you don't, you run the risk of bricking it.

[unborn flare]

physical security features? mind giving me an example?

[orchid swallow]

i would unironically prefer a windows phone

or a decently developed fork of android

that isnt google shite

[unborn flare]

want microsoft to have your data?

[orchid swallow]

I still think it'd be less than google does

google is in literally everything on android

[limpid needle]

Maybe physical security is the wrong word. Disabling the phone's requirement that an OS image be signed by the vendor.

[orchid swallow]

and u can turn off most the telemetry shit at least

few options on android

[limpid needle]

Actually, this is enforced by physical fuses. https://www.androidpolice.com/2015/11/06/why-does-my-android-phone-have-efuses-and-why-should-i-care-about-them/

[unborn flare]

only some companies do that afaik

i only know about samsung phones and their Knox tripping when you try to install a custom rom or root the phone

[vapid smelt]

the amount of green names in here disgusts me

[limpid needle]

Ah, okay. I'm much more familiar with iPhone/macOS security than I am Android security.

[fossil frost]

the amount of names associated with people who appear to be under 13 (most of the chat tonight) disgusts me, because they shouldn't be here...

[unborn flare]

i don't really see a problem with that you can just stick to mainstream roms like lineage and pixel experience and have a very good experience without compromising security

[vapid smelt]

you mean like 80% of the users in here

[fossil frost]

yep

[vapid smelt]

some of them could be your son

[unborn flare]

i wonder which category do i fall under 🤔

[fossil frost]

hes in bed, school in the morning 🙂

[limpid needle]

Depends on what your threat model is. I'm interested in paranoid "taking devices across borders without the storage getting dumped" type stuff.

[fossil frost]

then just take a burner across borders with you, rather than your main device

[limpid needle]

That is the ideal answer, yes. We do not live in an ideal world.

[orchid swallow]

by cropping it out?

just use inspect element to remove it and then post the link

that should do it

[vapid smelt]

Sevy

[orchid swallow]

in seventh grade i was spraying peoples lockers with liquid ass

[vapid smelt]

so this year

[orchid swallow]

and rolling apples down the hallway

no last year

yea women am i right migel

lol

how did you end up here

ur building a pc?

do u have a budget

use pcbuilder

[vapid smelt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/

[orchid swallow]

kk good

yes

[south stone]

7900xt with 2x8 pin.
What kind of performance would you like to see out of this card?

Considering the 6950xt is 3x8 pin, right?

So it's gotta be somewhere in the realm of 6950xt - 7900xt - 4090 in speed, right?

[vapid smelt]

more power doesnt mean its more powerful

[fossil frost]

what does the number of 8 pins have to do with anything?

efficiency increases are a thing

[south stone]

Well, you could run a 4090 with 3 pins if they really wanted to

Let me rephrase: How much efficient and fast do you think these new cards are? (7900xt)

[fossil frost]

yes, and a 4090 is also proven to be incredibly inefficient

[south stone]

Or efficient enough if you 70% pl.

Its still like 93-95% its performance, while saving 30% of power.

Which is what AMD is seemingly going for.

[orchid swallow]

why does power efficiency concern you

[vapid smelt]

more power means more cooling that leads to higher room temperature and noise

[fossil frost]

because power is very expensive, and power is also loud

[vapid smelt]

9cents a kwh

[orchid swallow]

oh

just live with ur mum

problem solved

[fossil frost]

33.47505p per kWh (or about 38c)

[south stone]

Doesn't concern me much, but Europe is going through an energy crysis, and I believe last thing they need is power hungry gpus atm.

[fossil frost]

no, because im a grown adult and not a spoiled brat

[south stone]

Also would love for AMD to humble nvidia.

[vapid smelt]

can i live with your mum

[orchid swallow]

kk

I don't believe it'd costs more to run than a mini fridge per month anyways

maybe my electric is cheap

i dunno

[south stone]

Between 55 and 85 watts per hour for a mini fridge 😛

[orchid swallow]

mm but run constantly

a pc isn't constantly on at max watts

[south stone]

Wellll, 85x24 is 2040w.

That's 3 hours gaming with a 4090?

[fossil frost]

was just doing that exact same working out 😄

[orchid swallow]

yea not much more than a mini fridge

that's probably less than $10 a month

[fossil frost]

about £20/mo at uk energy prices

which is more than my actual fridge freezer costs me to run

[hoary furnace]

but do you know what 8 * 17 * 39103 is?

[orchid swallow]

yea energy is cheap here I guess

midwest

[fossil frost]

energy is always cheap when you are a spoiled child and your parents pay for everything

[orchid swallow]

do you know what a student loan is

[fossil frost]

you have already told us you are 14

[orchid swallow]

wait what

when I joked about being in 8th grade?

[fossil frost]

"joked"

and, given that you have acted like a 14 year old, im inclined to believe you are 14

[orchid swallow]

go for it

is because of my name :(

[manic torrent]

7

[fossil frost]

tbh, the only reason i care about the amd 7000 series gpus, is so i can list my HD 7870 on ebay and have some scalper (because they are still around) accidentally buy it for far too much money 🙂

[manic torrent]

yeah man why do you care about heat or power or environment or effects on otehrs

[orchid swallow]

thanks for rephrasing

Look there is a such thing as being unreasonable I.E. running a home crypto mining operation

but it's not the responsibility of the average consumer

and if it is thats personal preference more than anything

[vapid smelt]

phone crytpo mining 😛

[orchid swallow]

if you want to take it further I could ask you why aren't you a vegan

why aren't you donating

etc etc

[fossil frost]

no.. its the same thing as if a car manufacturer made a car that went 202mph, and got 3mpg... but if they reduced that to 199mph, they would get 20mpg... and then that was pointed out by everyone... any sane manufacturer would take the huge efficiency gain for that loss of peak performance

because efficiency sells very well in this world right now

[orchid swallow]

personally I believe in a predominantly nuclear future as far as energy goes anyways. Preferably fusion

[manic torrent]

.... nobody is saying that the average consumer is at fault

but using less energy for the same or similar outcomes is good.

[orchid swallow]

I just think it's a bit hypocritical what you said

yea sure