public-chat

[mighty grotto]

Lol the car that works perfectly for my current phone

iirc phone calls usually worked too, the troubles were with media

To the point that I would encode all my music as AAC and put it on an SD card to slot into the radio

[ebon otter]

Does anyone know if you can run am5 with 4 sticks of ddr5 @6000mhz?

[wraith sonnet]

yes

[ebon otter]

Do you have proof?

[wraith sonnet]

it's less than stable rn but it works

[ebon otter]

Ok

Thx you

[wraith sonnet]

my proof would be under NDA

[ebon otter]

?

Wdym

[wraith sonnet]

I work for a system integrator, I can't exactly show stuff like that.

[ebon otter]

Oh ok

[wraith sonnet]

I'd just wait for ddr5 and am5 to mature

I have had some 6k kits work on r7k and I've had 5k kits fail on r7k

[ebon otter]

Yea but does it run stable with 4 sticks

[vapid smelt]

depends how lucky you get with your mbo and cpu

[wraith sonnet]

didn't read the four dimms question, it's extremely finicky rn

[gaunt hawk]

Guys

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mMPEv5O
What would happen if id use these?

[wraith sonnet]

you'll at least guarantee it works if you get it from an SI but it might be a bit expensive to diy rn

[wraith sonnet]

they don't connect to the DIMM slot they just put contacts on it for some reason

https://youtu.be/swgNTR1jOvA

[ebon otter]

I was bored so…https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ColinPC565556/saved/#view=46s3wP

I wish I was rich

[wraith sonnet]

blocked

[ebon otter]

Oh

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ColinPC565556/saved/#view=46s3wP does this work

[wraith sonnet]

don't @ me corsair is obsessively predatory

[ebon otter]

Why?

[wraith sonnet]

https://www.dualshockers.com/valve-lawsuit-scuf-steam-controller/#:~:text=A lawsuit filed against Valve alleges that it,filed by SCUF%2C a custom gaming peripheral manufacturer.

https://www.prweb.com/releases/2022/01/prweb18444658.htm#:~:text=The Dovel %26 Luner law firm on Friday,Gaming%2C Inc.%2C Case 3%3A22-cv-00312 (N.D. CA%2C Dkt. 1).

Corsair bought SCUF, well known for being the patent trolls that took the steam controller from all of us

https://metacouncil.com/threads/metasteam-august-2021-openness-is-its-superpower.2507/page-71#post-258331

[gaunt hawk]

Dafaq

[ebon otter]

But rgb???

[wraith sonnet]

use anyone but corsair PLEASE

[ebon otter]

But icue???

[wraith sonnet]

it basically is there for sff weirdos

[ebon otter]

Why u hate Corsair?

[wraith sonnet]

icue has caused me more headaches than any bullshit nvidia has pulled in the last year.

[ebon otter]

Corsair a good company

[ebon otter]

Corsair works fine for me

[manic torrent]

I use signal RGB.

[wraith sonnet]

On a consumer level corsair may be fine for you but at a corporate scale corsair is too much of a headache to deal with

[wraith sonnet]

BASED BOB

[graceful burrow]

Overvolt the fan

[vapid smelt]

i use no rgb

[graceful burrow]

It'd be funny

Do it

[wraith sonnet]

On top of all of this all three of these blue names are well aware of my destest for rgb in genereal and noted noctua fanboyishness

[manic torrent]

Just wait long enough I'll overvolt something accidentally:D

[ebon otter]

Why they a headache

[wraith sonnet]

In my experience one out of every three fans gets RMA'D for an LED being DOA

[gaunt hawk]

How i don’t understand

[manic torrent]

I bet I have the most RGB of anyone here .. and if I don't, I'll get more.

[ebon otter]

I have 3 and they all work

[wraith sonnet]

2.5" drive bays are a dying breed but not everyone populates all DIMM slots

[ebon otter]

You just hate them because you hate rgb

[wraith sonnet]

again on a consumer level they have no reason to not work, but as for me I have to RMA them too much to really recommend them

[ebon otter]

You just don’t know how to build computers then

Corsair is awesome

[wraith sonnet]

You've figured it out, I don't know how to build computers.

[gaunt hawk]

Wtf

[wraith sonnet]

as for the rest of you that are somewhat checked in with reality, the rgb controller is also inordinately large for what it needs to do.

[wraith sonnet]

like I said, it's for SFF instances.

https://www.sfftime.com/

[gaunt hawk]

Its still crazy

Why not use a nvme ssd at that point

[gaunt hawk]

Isnt that the point you’d use a stx motherboard and case?

[wraith sonnet]

because there is an absolute limit to the number of PCIE slots you can use for this.

[vapid smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wINo_Uc3uVU

[wraith sonnet]

coop that's ITX not ATX

both the cases on their front page are ATX

[gaunt hawk]

Itx is awesome

[vapid smelt]

sff atx

[wraith sonnet]

sff is weird in the first place and some people just want to use a normal motherboard

[gaunt hawk]

I want to use stx for my server but NO ONE IS SELLING STX motherboards

Its so frustrating

[graceful burrow]

I KNOW

I've been dreaming of an am4 stx for months

[upbeat harness]

what does it look like if my motherboard is dead

[gaunt hawk]

YEAH at least Someone gets my pain

[gaunt hawk]

Smoke

[upbeat harness]

im starting to think that may be my problem

but it wont even turn on

[manic torrent]

pretty much the same as when it's off

[graceful burrow]

I'm glad we can bond over tragedy 🫂

[gaunt hawk]

Yeah

[upbeat harness]

my gpu light turns on for a second then instantly off and same with my psu fan

and now it wont even do that

[manic torrent]

Did you plug/unplug? remove battery and reset cmos?

[gaunt hawk]

I am now beginning to start looking at those aliexpress shops that make their own motherboards if they can make one custom

[upbeat harness]

idk how to remove it

someone tomd me to do that but sidnt tell me how

[vapid smelt]

asrock

[graceful burrow]

Okay

Find it for sale

Do it
Find one

Find one and I buy it today

[gaunt hawk]

Link?:

[gaunt hawk]

Same

[vapid smelt]

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X300M-STX/index.asp

[upbeat harness]

how do i remove the battery?

[vapid smelt]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-deskmeet-x300w-b-bb-box-us/p/N82E16856158083 160 comes in a barebones system

[manic torrent]

motherboard manual

[gaunt hawk]

@graceful burrow

https://a.aliexpress.com/_m0GrtL2

[placid turtle]

Is a 6650xt for $279usd worth it

[vapid smelt]

yes

[placid turtle]

Great thanks

[graceful burrow]

That's mini itx

[upbeat harness]

trying to reset cmos now

[graceful burrow]

Almost positive the deskmeet uses mini itx
The DeskMini uses stx

[manic torrent]

amazon is too easy. I just.. go on there and buy a bunch of stuff. then it arrives the next day. maybe 2-3 days.

[gaunt hawk]

Nope thats the one coopa send in

[vapid smelt]

fuck your right its 300W not 300M

[graceful burrow]

I did a ton of research into stx boards a few months ago

[upbeat harness]

okay so my gpu light and psu fan turned on for a second again then turned off immediatly again

whats that mean?

[gaunt hawk]

Its sad that the only way to get stx is to buy a nuc or sth like that

[manic torrent]

it means, unplug everything, start trying to troubleshoot the issue

[graceful burrow]

I've been looking at minisforum's units to shuck one of their boards from a barebones

[gaunt hawk]

And anything that isn’t overpriced?

[graceful burrow]

Nop

[upbeat harness]

ive been trying to do that for the last 5 hours and no matter what i do those two turn on for a second then off again

[manic torrent]

you want low volume specific hardware? You gotta pay to play

[manic torrent]

what motherboard

[graceful burrow]

What project did you want an stx board for out of curiosity

[upbeat harness]

b450 tomahawk max

[gaunt hawk]

There is a difference between paying extra and paying outrageous pricing

[vapid smelt]

https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-DESKMINI-X300W-Barebone/dp/B08LBCD26C aha

[manic torrent]

have you unplugged EVERYTHING from the board, then put back only power and video card and one stick of ram?

[gaunt hawk]

Multiple, for one servers and stuff ( i host for some friends and i want that shit to be quiet and small) and i dreamed of making a pc so small and thin that you could think its a plate

[upbeat harness]

everythint but the m.2 drive

[full fossil]

General question here, but with regards to K vs KF processors, do non-integrated graphics chips have any advantage over those with integrated graphics?

[manic torrent]

no

[vapid smelt]

cost

[gaunt hawk]

And you?

[full fossil]

Gottcha, figured it might overclock better or something.

But good to know, thank you

[graceful burrow]

I bought an old Alienware steam machine for its case
Plan to make a modern steam machine that is actually functional

[upbeat harness]

so pretty much

[graceful burrow]

😩

[gaunt hawk]

Niiiiuce

[vapid smelt]

i was assuiming you both wanted to build in a gamecube

[gaunt hawk]

No

[graceful burrow]

I can't afford a gamecube

[gaunt hawk]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=he6xyl_MHXY

[manic torrent]

I can't afford food because I spent all my money on RGB

[gaunt hawk]

I want to build sth similar to this

[graceful burrow]

I tried emailing asrock to see if they have anything leftover for stx boards and they ghosted me
Asrock be asrock

[gaunt hawk]

Ye

[graceful burrow]

I doubt there will be stx boards for ryzen 7k

[gaunt hawk]

Sad that those boards died out

[upbeat harness]

should i just but a new motherboard

[gaunt hawk]

?????

@graceful burrow have you thought about using a mac mini or sth?

[graceful burrow]

Almost guaranteed too big

Stx as it is barely scrapes by

[vapid smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQWGFKhBQwU

[gaunt hawk]

Yeah true

[upbeat harness]

no matter what i do my gpu light and psu fan turn on for a second then turn off, tried changing psu’s out, tried a diffrtent cpu and gpu, unseated and reseated ram, cleared cmos, idk what else to try

i did

[gaunt hawk]

Try gpu in different pc

Sry wrote the wrong thing

[upbeat harness]

i dont have another pc to try it in

but the old one worked litterally yesterday

[gaunt hawk]

Ok the thing is the following: the mb is def dead

So old gpu worked in mb?

[upbeat harness]

it worked yesterday

[gaunt hawk]

Yo can you dm me if you find anything?

[upbeat harness]

but not today

[graceful burrow]

Only if you do likewise

[gaunt hawk]

Mb is dead and takes gpu with it prob

[gaunt hawk]

Ofc

[upbeat harness]

i changed out all the parts i was replacing and it didnt work so i put the old ones back in and that didnt work rither

ima be pissed if it took the 3070 i just bought

it never turned on with thr 3070 tho

si i would imagine not

jts not the end of the world if i lose the 580 but kinda annoying cause i hoped to use it later to build a pc for my brother

[gaunt hawk]

Replace mb then try again

Happened to me mb fried took gpu with it

Frick msi

I hate em

[upbeat harness]

thats the mb i have i believe

[gaunt hawk]

3 mb died on me and took gpus with them

[upbeat harness]

such a shit brand i bought two monitors from um before and they all died within a month

like just stopped working

[gaunt hawk]

Yep msi motherboards die FAST

[upbeat harness]

its only been a year

[gaunt hawk]

Welcome to the club

[night heron]

ive never had a msi product fail

[upbeat harness]

but also it worked fine until i took the okd stuff out and put the new stuff in

[night heron]

and ive been pretty abusive with my hardware

[upbeat harness]

so thats why im so confused aboutnit

[night heron]

it's all luck man im sorry it's happened to you

[west sentinel]

MSI monitor failed miserably as being expensive shit ever

with no HDR, just "144hz"

[gaunt hawk]

@night heron https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O6BXwCJtaZE

[upbeat harness]

ill prob get a non budget board this time cause when i was building this computer was the height of pandemic prices so i got cheap shit cause it was expensive ash at the time

[night heron]

what is this

i dont feel like clicking on it

[upbeat harness]

any suggestions on a good mobo for a 5800x

[gaunt hawk]

Gamers nexus

Killshot: MSI’s Shady Review Practices & Ethics

Is the title

[upbeat harness]

?

[west sentinel]

for how much you want to spend?

[vapid smelt]

do you already own the 5800x?

[upbeat harness]

150-200 pref cause i just spent 800 on a new cpu gpu and psu

yeah i do

[west sentinel]

RGB?

[upbeat harness]

dont rly care if it does or doesnt honestly

[manic torrent]

My msi monitor failed when it got smashed

[west sentinel]

@upbeat harness ATX or mini ATX?

[upbeat harness]

atx

[woeful minnow]

Asus tuf b550-plus

[west sentinel]

costco monitors are the best

[jagged linden]

I just had the worst experience with micro center

[manic torrent]

I replaced the 34 ultrawide with a 27" 1440 144hz

(because I already swapped the 34 out from my main setup for a 48" oled

[west sentinel]

nobody will ever have worst experience with micro center

[vapid smelt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pFRYcf/msi-pro-b550-vc-atx-am4-motherboard-pro-b550-vc

[west sentinel]

MSI B550

[upbeat harness]

i dont rly wanna but another msi board

[west sentinel]

MSi is good

[woeful minnow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pnqBD3/asus-tuf-gaming-b550-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-b550-plus

[west sentinel]

except monitors

[jagged linden]

So I went to micro center today to return my 3D printer under warranty and they gave me a micro center gift card of the refunded amount because they did not have the new printer I was gonna get there so I was gonna buy it online then I go online to buy it on the micro center website and you can’t add gift cards as a payment plus you can’t buy a warranty at the time of purchase online and you have to call after you bought the item so tomorrow or some time I am going to have to drive 1 hour at least to go to a farther micro center from me to get the printer because I have the gift card and then drive a hour back

[west sentinel]

and why asus love using same names like b550

what's so good about the name "b550"

[woeful minnow]

It’s the chipset

[jagged linden]

It’s the chipset

[west sentinel]

you have to call the support

and how much is your 3d print?

[jagged linden]

Do u have rgb on ur system?

[west sentinel]

in*

[jagged linden]

Printer was refunded for $520 I was just gonna upgrade it because it broke to the better version of the same printer which is about $750 in micro centers website

[jagged linden]

They don’t let u add a gift card

[west sentinel]

520 dollar 3d printer

rich people

[jagged linden]

Creality CR-10 smart

[west sentinel]

Is creality ender 3d good?

[jagged linden]

And imma get a CR-10 smart pro if I can get them to accept the gift card

[jagged linden]

Yes it is very good for the price

[upbeat harness]

its on

[west sentinel]

I wanted to buy the creality ender 3d used

[upbeat harness]

its on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i completely took everything out and took the battery out fornlikr 10 minutes

and it all turned on

[jagged linden]

Creality sells more accessories for the ender 3 you can probs just build one from parts from crealitys store

[vapid smelt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7yhmP6/gigabyte-b550-aorus-elite-v2-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-aorus-elite-v2

[jagged linden]

Do you have any rgb in ur system tho

Because if u do buy a new mobo and it has rgb just get one that can use software for stuff u already have

[west sentinel]

@jagged linden should I buy used though?

[jagged linden]

Idk never bought a printer used

Like do u mean used used or referbished

[west sentinel]

a printer from facebook marketplace or craiglist

used

[upbeat harness]

guys its working with the opd parts

i got it working

[jagged linden]

Idk honestly

[upbeat harness]

im going to change out the parts not

wish me luck

[jagged linden]

I mean how much would u be able to get it for

[west sentinel]

145

[jagged linden]

Ender 3 is 190 new I think

And new customer and micro center can get it for 100

[west sentinel]

almost 210 for shipping

[west sentinel]

really?

[jagged linden]

Ye

That was a deal idk if it’s still going

[west sentinel]

@jagged linden it's not there, the cheapest one is ender 2 pro

which is a transportable 3d printer for robotics FRC

[upbeat harness]

everythings on rn

omfg i think i fixed it

everything turns on

[unkempt mantle]

can anyone here help me out?

I remember seeing an AIO with interchangable badges on the block/pump but forgot which brand or model it was.

[vapid smelt]

https://youtu.be/7Fle55mZ_WQ?t=632 this one

[unkempt mantle]

I knew I saw it recently

[unkempt mantle]

thanks

[full fossil]

i have something very important to say

[vapid smelt]

[teal zephyr]

Goofy ahh

[thorny cargo]

I need a big F, got hacked, paid ransom, havent heard from them yet

[leaden gale]

How did you manage to get hacked is my question

[vapid smelt]

Big W for me got paid for hacking someone

ez $560 of my life

[thorny cargo]

Someone thought it was a good idea to open up port 3306

It was safe for 2,5 weeks or so

[remote coral]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6lJUYBwE8mwXnQdLLA9GR6?si=Ob58UFysTwWVp1eObu68mA&utm_source=copy-link&pt=b1c6251946aedfa10edccaacf1093465

Please add your favourite songs to the playlist :)

[vapid smelt]

[olive igloo]

applebottom jeans

boots with the furr

[full fossil]

No

[olive igloo]

Low (feat. T-Pain) Flo Rida

I always thought ft meant the height of the person instead of featuring

[wraith sonnet]

deepcool castle

I use them at work

anyways

anyone know where I can get a touch screen monitor?

nevermind I guess bestbuy just doesn't carry them for some reason

[manic torrent]

They are not common.

[vapid smelt]

https://www.newegg.com/Touch-Screen-Monitors/SubCategory/ID-514

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1450221-REG/neonode_nnabc2950xu01_13_3_airbar_touchscreen_sensor.html?ap=y&smp=y

[wraith sonnet]

I guess this is slightly more common than I thought, I'm going to find something in here that's more tailored to what I want ig

[bleak vessel]

Does anyone know what power cord is used on syncmaster p2350? Idk the name of its. It’s the one with like 3 pins

Are they all the same for every monitor? And which brand is best? I see some where the ground plug fell off

[eager notch]

Any of them

[bleak vessel]

What brand would u suggest

Some I heard, the ground plug fell out

[vapid smelt]

lttstore.com is the best brand

[bleak vessel]

😑

[vapid smelt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tm4x9r damn this is outdated now

[bleak vessel]

Also, would y’all trust Amazon basic power cable?

For usb devices

And would you trust their 3 pin monitor power cable?

[graceful sonnet]

wouldnt buy that just because fuck amazon

but prolly gonna be fine for low power devices

[manic torrent]

How do you not have a giant collection of them?

[bleak vessel]

Amaozn said it’s ul rated and the reviews seem good. But do you think it’s fine for a monitor?

https://a.co/d/6ieiLsj

[graceful sonnet]

i dont lol

[bleak vessel]

And reliable

[graceful sonnet]

idk tbh, why not just get a decent brand cable?

[bleak vessel]

What’s a decent brand

What do monitors manafscture use

[graceful sonnet]

no idea

[bleak vessel]

Do you know a good brand?

[graceful sonnet]

nope, i just use the one that came with my xbox lol

[bleak vessel]

since the reviews of amazon are goo and its ul certified, ill get it

[final matrix]

Can someone help me find a headphone around 100$ for my desktop

[vapid smelt]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L1IIEKM

[final matrix]

Do u know any closed-back option, my surrounding is loud. I'm also looking for one with a mic

[west sentinel]

then you'll be heading to noise cancelling headphone

[night heron]

iems with foam tips work very well for noise isolation and gaming

[west sentinel]

https://www.amazon.com/Soundcore-Cancelling-Headphones-Bluetooth-Comfortable/dp/B09786XTMR/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3NGGRJA2LKNZF&keywords=Soundcore+q35&qid=1666494042&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIyLjcwIiwicXNhIjoiMi4xMiIsInFzcCI6IjEuOTQifQ%3D%3D&s=electronics&sprefix=soundcore+q35%2Celectronics%2C134&sr=1-3

[west sentinel]

Moondrop aria

[night heron]

i can barely hear my air conditioner right behind me

[west sentinel]

that's sad

[night heron]

why is that sad

[west sentinel]

@night heron wait where do you live, aisa?

[night heron]

no

[west sentinel]

oh, nvm that's normal

[final matrix]

it's loud but not obnoxious so normal closed back i think should be fine

using it for gaming too i forgot to mention

[vapid smelt]

https://www.amazon.com/3M-WorkTunes-Protector-Bluetooth-Technology/dp/B0723CYHPZ

[final matrix]

lmao

that's quite a heavy caliber for like office/house situation...

[sour bear]

some how the more I look at one amazon product, the cheaper it is...

[final matrix]

don't they change the price based on how much u look at it

[fluid ridge]

13th gen 🔥

absolutely mopping the floor with the 795X

[full fossil]

@sturdy olive go to #1025590236597735490 scroll all the way up. then go to #1030263209648721960

[dreamy rose]

if you want a Space Heater yes

[vapid smelt]

am5 is also a space heater

[dreamy rose]

i'm talking about heating up space itself

[dreamy rose]

a thicker Heatspreader is the 7000s problem, not the efficiency.

[vapid smelt]

so the 7950x pulling 250watts is due to the heatspreader?

[fluid ridge]

intel the king again 👑

the crown long lost to a false monarch

the born king rises 💪

[dreamy rose]

hey its better than 330 plus. where tf did that come from. 12th gen?

[tawdry rapids]

@vapid smelt you know that the 7950X literally gains neglegible performance (near the margin of error) above 150 watts right?

AMDs stock tuning kinda sucks, nothing to do with the heat spreader

[vapid smelt]

yes but this is at stock

[dreamy rose]

yeah, there's nothing Noble about throwing more power at the problem.

[tawdry rapids]

yea, it is, AMDs chips are still very efficient, their stock tuning just sucks

thats the thing, they AREN'T throwing more power at the problem here, because there is no problem

the chips are efficient and fast, their boost algorithm just sucks

watch buildzoids Ryzen 7950 efficiency test video. youll understand what i mean

[dreamy rose]

we were talking about the Heat in the first place. its the HeatSpreader thats causing the heat. not power draw.

[cyan vapor]

blinks slowly

[tawdry rapids]

no, it isnt, a heatspreader will never cause HEAT

[vapid smelt]

[tawdry rapids]

heat is generated by the CPU, using electricity

[cyan vapor]

It's not the logs on fire causing the flames, it's the fireplace!

[dreamy rose]

Yall need to stop playing dumb here. you know what i am Saying

[tawdry rapids]

youre talking about the high temperatures, which has nothing to do with the heat being generated, its about heat being dissipated

no, i genuinely dont, because if youre talking about high temperatures, which has NOTHING to do with watts, then it doesn't matter with the context of what im saying

[cyan vapor]

Not even playing, I've no idea what point you're attempting to make.

[dreamy rose]

yeah you're not playing dumb anymore. Exactly what i'm saying. its not Cooled well because the heat Spreader is too thick.

that is literally what i've been saying

[tawdry rapids]

that literally was not what you were saying

[cyan vapor]

That makes more sense, now read again what you wrote earlier and try to make sense of it :P

[tawdry rapids]

you see this, this has nothing to do with your newest statement

[dreamy rose]

yes it does, insane power draw leads to more heat. thats a fact.

[tawdry rapids]

yes, thats true. HOWEVER, this statement has nothing to do with "its not cooled well because the heat spreader is too thick"

[dreamy rose]

it does because the chip WOULD BE COOLED BETTER if it was not.

[tawdry rapids]

not really, because it would just draw more power

because thats how those chips are tuned

so instead of drawing 250 you'd be drawing 300

[dreamy rose]

it wouldn't be running at 95 that often if it wasn't that thick wouldn't it?

[vapid smelt]

they are ment to be at 95

[tawdry rapids]

its not an IHS problem. its a software issue, with the chip running with 150W, you get about the same performance with lower temperatures

and that chip literally gains absolutely nothing from above 175W, and only gains like 1-2% from 150 to 175

[night heron]

it is an ihs problem actually

[tawdry rapids]

it isn't actually, but ok

[dreamy rose]

because the Heat Spreader is too thick. its not capable of Transferring heat that well. they designed it that way.

[night heron]

if you watch derbauer and other channels test the processors you’ll see that once they’re mounted direct die they don’t run at 95c anymore

they’ll run at like 75c and don’t boost higher

stock anyway

[vapid smelt]

amd makes it go to 95C at maxumim power draw to ge the most performance

[tawdry rapids]

if you watch der8auer youll see that if the IHS is shaved down it DOESNT MATTER

[night heron]

keep coping with your inch thick ihs and pretending it isn’t a problem

[tawdry rapids]

Direct die literally improves every CPU across the board, of course youll see lower temps with direct die

[night heron]

if i get a 7800x3d i’m definitely shaving it or direct mounting

[tawdry rapids]

good luck with that, im just gonna run my CPU at the wattage its supposed to be ran at

https://youtu.be/-sDDA_2USwg

[night heron]

if the only factor that’s changed that causes the cpu to drop from 95c to 75c is the removal of the integrated heat spreader that would imply that the IHS is the problem, no?

very simple concept imo

[tawdry rapids]

no, corrolation vs causation.

[night heron]

extremely simple concept

[tawdry rapids]

extremely wrong way to solve problems

[dreamy rose]

yeah but you do know that you get a lot less Degrees than normal for your course around the Delidding danger.

[tawdry rapids]

if you chop off a deers leg thats been broken, the broken leg is gone

[night heron]

but the deer cant walk properly

[tawdry rapids]

go watch the video i posted.

[night heron]

removing the ihs causes no negative if done correctly

[tawdry rapids]

except resale value, warranty, and all that

[night heron]

it’s a terrible ihs design

[tawdry rapids]

it doesnt matter

[dreamy rose]

there is one Negative, its easier to Kill.

[tawdry rapids]

because if you undervolt it, and run it at a lower wattage, it runs cool

[night heron]

does it matter in the end? no, because the processor won’t die from running at 95c

[tawdry rapids]

and you get the EXACT same performance

[night heron]

is it a major bottleneck that shouldn’t exist? yes

[full fossil]

I just committed switch fraud today

[night heron]

🤨🤨🤨🤨

[full fossil]

Uhhh

[vapid smelt]

amd is shoving power in thier chips to get the most out of them just like intel has done all this time

[tawdry rapids]

yeah exactly, but its doing nothing because their architecture doesnt scale with power

[dreamy rose]

but not as much for similar performance.

[vapid smelt]

all depends on the mbo and cooler for how much they pull

[full fossil]

I went to Best Buy today and I Bought a 10 foot DisplayPort cable for 30 bucks went into my car switched out the cable for a 6 foot cable I bought on Amazon for 8 bucks and returned it

[night heron]

seems like a lot of risk to save $22

[dreamy rose]

thought you stole a Switch

[full fossil]

Well it’s all good I used cash only and the Best Buy employees are literally NPC’s

You can tell ‘em anything and there’ll always like uh huh sure

He asked me what’s wrong with the cable and I said “I found a better price on Amazon”

[dreamy rose]

they are just High school Children and College Kids that turn their brains off.

[full fossil]

I literally bought it same day

[full fossil]

Lmao 🤣

man literally glanced inside the box

[night heron]

doesn’t this apply to you as well

funkykong06

[full fossil]

not the lost expensive item I committed switch fraud on at Best Buy

[dreamy rose]

my brain is only on. its constantly doing nothing.

[vapid smelt]

what are you expecting minuim wage emplyee to pull out a ruler to make sure its 10 feet?

[full fossil]

Lmao 🤣

[dreamy rose]

be suprised if they even know what a Ruler is.

[full fossil]

nah but the weight was a lot different I thought he would’ve been like why is it so light?

[dreamy rose]

you wouldn't know if you've never held the box

[full fossil]

True

[valid siren]

too busy worrying about their supervisors getting angry that their numbers aren't being kept up

[full fossil]

imagine he was like uhh why is it not this exact weight?

Lmao 🤣

[vapid smelt]

now your expecting minuim wage employess to know the weight of every item in bestbuy?!

[full fossil]

anyways I gave them a 6 foot 8k DisplayPort cable in exchange for a 4K 10 foot cable

so I guess it’s a slight win

[dreamy rose]

they can barely get up to go to work without Rockstar or Monster.

[full fossil]

LMAO 🤣

that’s funny

[dreamy rose]

well that speaks a lot about. kids. then.

[full fossil]

imagine Rain Man working at a Best Buy

“Sir that product is exactly” lists it’s exact weight and length “why is it slightly different and less heavy?”

[leaden gale]

🗿

You ain't have to do them like that

[wraith sonnet]

Hey uh I know memes aren't allowed but

How tf does this work?

I'm genuinely curious

[vapid smelt]

[wraith sonnet]

Oh does it not work on mobile?

[vapid smelt]

mobile?

[wraith sonnet]

It didn't work on mobile but it works in the android file system

Do .webm s support dynamic video size?

[dreamy rose]

i have a few of these downloaded. they seem to have broken

[wraith sonnet]

https://youtu.be/X7_4voIvKAM I guess webm can just do this?

[manic torrent]

errr wat

[vapid smelt]

psst do you want covid to get a week of sick leave @wraith sonnet

[wraith sonnet]

I've had COVID before I don't want it again

[vapid smelt]

this is my second time its fun

[dreamy rose]

majority of people can't get up without any form of Caffeine.

[vapid smelt]

i got drugs for that

[manic torrent]

that's not what you said though

[dreamy rose]

Energy Drinks have Caffeine yes?

[manic torrent]

Not that bit, you were talking specifically about minimum wage employees

[dreamy rose]

thats what makes them Energy Drinks. they are packed with a Shitload of Caffeine and sugar.

[manic torrent]

I understand what energy drinks are.

[dreamy rose]

And you say they don't put money into Energy Drinks when thats what gets them up?

[slim yacht]

eh energy drinks are more like made from taurine and sugar instead, they give u a short boost of energy instead of making your heart pump blood like crap with caffeine

some are a combination of both

[vapid smelt]

back in bobs days coca cola had real Cocaine in it

[manic torrent]

I'm not saying anything other than what you said is unfounded garbage. You claimed they COULDN'T get up with out, as if it was something specific to that sub group of people

then said "oh it applies to everyone"

[dreamy rose]

that's when the founding Fathers claimed "The land of freedom"

[short copper]

i dont think I know anyone that needs monster in the morning to wake up

[vapid smelt]

monster is gross

[manic torrent]

I used to NEED caffeine in the morning .... I had a sleep disorder and it was genuinely dangerous.

[slim yacht]

people in my mix just drinks it for fun even when they dont need it lol
'fav' drink they said

[manic torrent]

Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely addicted to caffeine.

[vapid smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/meet-the-robinsons-no-side-effects-gif-10377531

[dreamy rose]

Majority of the Strangers i have to be around can be seen drinking Energy Drinks some not all the time but its what you can see.

[manic torrent]

So you made an assumption/extrapolation from a very small and localised observation

and overlaid some sort of value judgement on it as well

[cloud notch]

What is a cheap yet still decent processor for a server? I want to host heavy Minecraft mod packs, some ark , Conan exiles, and some other things. Those are the main games.

[short copper]

i mean a lot of people i know and people i dont really know probably drink sometimes, that doesnt mean theyre alcoholics

[manic torrent]

whatever you have lying around, more or less.

[cloud notch]

I have an older Dell optiplex with a 3rd gen i5. I want something newer but nothing that breaks the bank.

I just realized I’d have to switch platforms completely. Maybe I’ll keep what I have

[vapid smelt]

could build a cheap r7 5700g pc/server

[cloud notch]

Why 5700g?

[dreamy rose]

graphics

[vapid smelt]

fast and cheap 8 core with a apu

[cloud notch]

Do amd chips not have integrated graphics

[vapid smelt]

the G line up does and the new ryzen 7000

[dreamy rose]

G is for Graphics

[alpine aspen]

AMD's chips are split inbetween APUs and CPUs (do note this not the actual terms and just for an explainer)

[dreamy rose]

not that good on the 7000s, keep expectations low. but for what it is its pretty crazy

[cloud notch]

Yes but it’s also like having a decent graphics card, which to me sounded like it would just cost extra money and for no reason, because it’s just for a server.

[alpine aspen]

Their current 7000 series all CPUs have atleast low end graphics before that their mainline CPUs did not have an iGPU

[dreamy rose]

no need for a GPU when you have Vega/ RDNA 2 integrated Graphics

[alpine aspen]

The G series APUs tend to have a pretty good iGPU (for it's time period)

[dreamy rose]

i'm not a desktop man but would still love to see 7000Gs with the good RDNA 2 Graphics

[alpine aspen]

That is likely coming (well Phoenix (Ryzen 7000 mobile (no not dragon range that uses the 7000 desktop chips yes this is a mess)) is rumored to use RDNA3 but whatever)

[cloud notch]

If I do iphrade my server I’m probably looking at a bare minimum of $350

[dreamy rose]

we'll see if Mobile lands on 3 or 2.

i'm hoping to see RDNA 3 but 2 if they want consistency with Mendocino and Desktop 7000 then sure.

[vapid smelt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/D2N3Bj $429

[vapid smelt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xT93Bj for 350 and if you reuse a case or build it in a box

[cloud notch]

I gave away my last case to my friend. Sometimes I give too many things away lol

[dreamy rose]

rip

[cloud notch]

Things I can transfer -
SSD
New PSU

[delicate stirrup]

Is spiderman any good

got it for free with my gpu

[vapid smelt]

yeah im pretty sure he is the good guy

[delicate stirrup]

oh

[dreamy rose]

he's the fucking man!

[delicate stirrup]

i meant the game

[delicate stirrup]

I guess I'll just claim the cxode nothing to lose

hopefully my pc can handle it

[dreamy rose]

pretty sure it will run if it came with your Graphics card dude

[delicate stirrup]

I think my CPU is the biggest bottleneck it s a 2700x

[vapid smelt]

5800x3d is only $380 👀

[delicate stirrup]

can you actually game with that integrated GPU?

[vapid smelt]

it has no intergrated gpu

[delicate stirrup]

oh I thought it had one that's why it's called 3d

[dreamy rose]

no iGPU on that.

[vapid smelt]

it has 3d cache

[delicate stirrup]

yeah doesn't look like a good deal tbh intel has much faster units for similar price

[dreamy rose]

if you want a good iGPU your only option is Ryzen 6800+

no 7000 though.

[delicate stirrup]

wtf why is it so fast

[vapid smelt]

Cache

[manic torrent]

magic

[dreamy rose]

more Cache more speed

[vapid smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBFNoKUHjcg

[manic torrent]

3D is because the cache is added on in a seperate layer and connects down into the CPU.

[delicate stirrup]

wait 12700k goes for $360

isn't that a better deal

[manic torrent]

but the advantages of the 5800x3d get lost when you move to 4090

[vapid smelt]

then you need to buy a mbo the 5800x3d can repalce your 2700x

[dreamy rose]

less Cache

[tawdry rapids]

not just 4090, 4090 on 1080p or 1440p 16:9

[dreamy rose]

plus yes you are already on AMD, you just need to buy the X3D and not a new Mobo or any other crap that intel loves to do.

[tawdry rapids]

which, i hope no one in their right mind is running a 4090 for 1080p gaming, please

[vapid smelt]

360hz gamers

[manic torrent]

need more 1000hz monitor

[delicate stirrup]

4090 is perfect for csgo 720p gaming

[tawdry rapids]

id like to think those dont exist, please dont ruin my outlook on the species

[dreamy rose]

whats worse, them or Console gamers who just cant get enough 30hz

[vapid smelt]

at least 4 of them

[tawdry rapids]

hate that

[vapid smelt]

273

[manic torrent]

Thing is, >100hz the gains diminish very quickly. But going 120hz from 60 is night and day

[delicate stirrup]

what is the most intensive game right now

[manic torrent]

the game of life

[vapid smelt]

i hate that pay to win game

[dreamy rose]

more like, "Get lucky and be born into being able to pay to win" game

[delicate stirrup]

If I had $200,000 I'll buy a 4090

or maybe two

[vapid smelt]

good news you only need 1,800 to buy one

very affordable

[delicate stirrup]

The first part of it is to pay for housing

[vapid smelt]

fps > housing

[misty scarab]

windows xp vm
I needed to get firefox 10 cause its so cold
now I need a p2p file sharing program that supports this acient o

[delicate stirrup]

If I leave my computer running all the time as a remote compute server do I need some kind of monitoring device to make sure it doesn't catch on fire

[vapid smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2Xoi20u4J4

[dreamy rose]

yo Windows XP VMs, i got XP Professional SP3 on disc.

[misty scarab]

i got xp pro 64bit sp1 iso

[dreamy rose]

isnt that for Itanium or smth?

[misty scarab]

?

[dreamy rose]

there was shit about 64 bit windows XP being For intel's itanium stuff

[misty scarab]

dunno what imntel'is

im running on amd lel

[dreamy rose]

excuse my shitass laptop. barely does what i ask of it. including let me fucking type.

[misty scarab]

well shoot

the only way to get the program I want is p2p and 0 seeds are online right now

[dreamy rose]

https://tenor.com/view/guess-ill-die-gif-9704573

[misty scarab]

im actually getting annoyed

I just want an old version of WinWay Resume so I can laugh at it

[manic torrent]

There were several versions, itanium and x86

[dreamy rose]

laugh at an old Resume Writing program? surely you must be mad to laugh at such an office tool.

[misty scarab]

lol yes

[dreamy rose]

64 Bit Edition is for Itanium, but x64 is for x86 Systems. i'm sorry but that's just Ass naming. coulda just named it Itanium 64.

[misty scarab]

i just wanna laugh at old software is that too much to want

[dreamy rose]

Seems so. Torrenting isn't bulletproof.

[misty scarab]

2 seeds downlaoding at 17 Kbps

this is like dial up speeds

the file is only 150 Mb

[dreamy rose]

sounds normal for just starting Torrent

[misty scarab]

most p2p I get on gets me speeds of 5Mbps+

[dreamy rose]

from what i've torrented it starts off slow and picks up

[vapid smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/fbi-calling-tom-gif-23191686

[misty scarab]

P2P isnt illegal

[dreamy rose]

nobody cares if they don't make money off of selling it anymore

[misty scarab]

I heard that theres a new mutation of BMSB that bites people

[dreamy rose]

are there even any modern systems that come sold as 32 Bit anymore?

[vapid smelt]

windows 10 32bit

[dreamy rose]

but yeah does anyone sell 32 Bit system anymore.

[graceful burrow]

not strictly 32-bit

[misty scarab]

the FX 4300 was 64 bit right

my first gaming pc was a FX 4300 Quad Core, GeForce GT 730, and 8GB of DDR3

[dreamy rose]

yeah its 64 bit. you had more than 4GB of RAM. not possible on 32 bit

[manic torrent]

... wrong

[timid meadow]

No more of a risk then just about any other devices. My server usually goes a month or so between reboots

[manic torrent]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension

plus even with 4gb, there was issues with the way memory was addressed - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_GB_barrier

[dreamy rose]

we aren't talking about XP now

but 4GB on 32 Bit worked in the end.

[misty scarab]

Why is this asking me for a fax and home phone? doesnt everyone just have cellphones

[dreamy rose]

XP was still the Dial Up Era

[manic torrent]

"in the end"

[dreamy rose]

what are you getting at here?

[manic torrent]

You're talking shit

you said "it's not possible on 32 bit"

PAE was introduced circa 1995

[dreamy rose]

i never said 4GB is impossible on 32 bit i said more than that was impossible. please read

[manic torrent]

yes, which is categorically incorrect

[vapid smelt]

[dreamy rose]

does it say x86 or x86-64 processors?

[manic torrent]

The Pentium II had PAE.

and x64-64 is a superset of x86, not a different thing entirely.

You cannot directly address more than 4gb in 32 bits, that is correct, which is also why any process is limited to 4gb of addressable space in 32bit, but in terms of total memory, you could go far higher with PAE.

[ocean terrace]

What’s poppin

[manic torrent]

the usual

[ocean terrace]

Chillin?

Idk what the usual is 😂

[manic torrent]

Bionic my mate over there says something inane/stupid/incorrect. I tell him he's wrong. He insists that he is right. I show him proof. He doubles down and talks shit.

[misty scarab]

Thanks to this acient os and program I now have a resume and I took a simulated interview

now I shall get a job as a cybersecurity engineer

[dreamy rose]

never said i was all knowing

[bleak crow]

https://youtu.be/q0Kn2hL9ZJQ 15 year version would be kinda dope

[dreamy rose]

15 years of owning the market?

[bleak crow]

Lol

[dreamy rose]

Sounds pretty boring if you ask me. no competition

either way, i assumed they'd do another one 10 years later

[misty scarab]

should I get ZFOLD 4

[dreamy rose]

are you fine with a massive Crease after a while?

[full fossil]

would be kinda dope

[ocean terrace]

Would just be the same cards but with the ones released after that video

[dreamy rose]

i think thats the point

[ocean terrace]

What would be better, is to build systems with parts that came out around the time of each major gpu

And compare them to each other

[dreamy rose]

They did that. with both.

[ocean terrace]

Fr? I gotta see this

[dreamy rose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhRkPEwgnHs

[ocean terrace]

Thanks bro

[dreamy rose]

👍

[jolly jackal]

[wispy marsh]

I agree

I slept at 5+ and woke up at 3

[full fossil]

https://youtube.com/shorts/6tf81P7q5OE?feature=share

[pliant leaf]

Sigma shit

[dreamy rose]

true

[graceful jackal]

alpha male indeed

[pliant leaf]

Btw yall,

Refurbished iphone 13 pro max 256 gig at 1200 euros, new samsung s22 ultra at 1200 euros or new iphone 14 pro max 128 gig at 1400

[coarse jackal]

Good morning from the UK :))

[dreamy rose]

S22, Better phone than both iPhones you've listedn

[pliant leaf]

Exynos version though.

Europoors don't have the right to good samsungs

[dreamy rose]

i mean its not stuck in some shitty limiting Ecosystem and stuck using a god awful charger.

never go with a Lightning iPhone. the chargers are something you have to budget in a new one for every 3 months

[pliant leaf]

I mean s22 also charges at 20 watts... and frankly the samsung ecosystem is ass. Samsung buds and watch can't even compare to airpods and apple watch

Honestly my only two real use cases for the samsung are rooted APKs and being able to more easily repair it

[wispy marsh]

14 pro max 256gb, or 14 plus 256gb

[dreamy rose]

you can do whatever the frick you like with the 22. thats why its the superior option.

[pliant leaf]

14 pro max is out of my budget and non-pro iphones are a meme, at least in europe

14 plus literally costs the same as s22 ultra

[wispy marsh]

You dead ass w*nker

[pliant leaf]

I mean sorry, 14 pro maz 256 gig

[wispy marsh]

I switched to the 14 from 12 pro max

I can sell you the old 12 if you want KEK

[dreamy rose]

the speed isnt he problem its the chargers themselves. Overpriced Pieces of shit.

[pliant leaf]

I mean... yeah

[wispy marsh]

You'll at least get 5 or 6 more years of support from Apple

[pliant leaf]

I don't buy apple cables anyway, i just get anker. Ones

[wispy marsh]

more than a brand new s22 for the foreseeable future for a 2yo phone

[pliant leaf]

That is true samsung tends to throw old devices under the bus

[wispy marsh]

It is not tends to, but matter of when

[dreamy rose]

apple gets like 5 dollars from every cable that gets sold. they have a huge incentives to be made shitly by everyone

[pliant leaf]

None of the 14 pro's features are useful to me honestly, but i am dead ass terrified of refurbished iphones

Actually, used electronics in general is scary

[wispy marsh]

They are

I suggest using a type c cable and a lightning-to-c adapter for fast charging

[pliant leaf]

There was that cable that linus shilled once

[wispy marsh]

All first and third-party lightning cables are terrible

[pliant leaf]

Volta i think?

The magnetic one

[dreamy rose]

get and Android and forget Lightning in general. shit standard

it was faster than USB 2.

but its nowhere near 3

[wispy marsh]

I don't want the next person who uses it to need to fiddle with software beyond the phone's 3rd or 4th year

There is a clean, controlled path forward for iPhone software updates for 7 or 8 years

[pliant leaf]

Counter point: moving things to my thunderbolt macbook with air drop and moving those out from the mac with a proper connector

[wispy marsh]

Unless, they already have time to spend on android, I don't see the point

[pliant leaf]

And yes i recognize that it's a "you didn't buy enough of our products, pleb" moment

[dreamy rose]

oh, you are knee deep in the Terrible Apple Ecosystem. ok there's that point for going with an iPhone but i urge you to Break out of that Ecosystem

[pliant leaf]

I also have an ipad air 2020

[wispy marsh]

tbh airdrop and icloud is the fucked-up reasons why lightning is usb2 other than the original ipad pro, which is lightning usb3

They earn more that way when you use cloud

[pliant leaf]

Honestly ipad and mac are just superior to anything i have used before

[wispy marsh]

But, yeah, I can accept why people use android

It's the other way round, that they can't accept us using Apple

That's some fucking heavily tinted corneas they've gotten

[dreamy rose]

iMessage only serves the purpose of "Poor Shaming"

[wispy marsh]

Then don't be poor

[inland oracle]

how is it terrible? the workflow is great and efficient, you hating for no reason

[pliant leaf]

Which is kinda sad because the only reason why a user experience like this cannot happen outside of apple is because everyone else is completely stupid

[dreamy rose]

yeah you clearly have never used it,

[wispy marsh]

It is not "stupid". It is because of this. https://xkcd.com/927/

[inland oracle]

explain what’s bad about it then lol

[wispy marsh]

Don't bother asking

He'll say everything

[dreamy rose]

you only need to look at the thing to tell whats wrong with it.

[wispy marsh]

Just like your jehovah witnesses and "purist" vegans

[inland oracle]

ah yes a non answer

embarrassing

[wispy marsh]

"You're in group A, and I'm in group B, and we're supposed to be against each other - so that we don't have energy to against the ones above"

[pliant leaf]

I mean i guess that's correct but.. it's not about standards, why can't google make a software solution that integrates pixels with chrome OS devices, or why can't samsung do the same between galaxy S and Tab devices in a way that isn't convolluted, or why can't microsoft make a semi decent piece of hardware?

[wispy marsh]

See how self-fulfilling that sentence is?

[wispy marsh]

Because then there'll be 15 competing standards

[dreamy rose]

what's truly embarrassing is selling your Soul away to a Greedy corpo that lies and Scams to reach the Highest Net worth so that people treat them with Undeserved respect. and follow the shitty things they do so the consumer suffers even more while they get all the money.

[manic torrent]

that is not even slightly true

[wispy marsh]

That's the generic description for all corpos

[inland oracle]

what are you talking about 😭

[wispy marsh]

I bet fifty that star-nosed moles can see better than you

[manic torrent]

says the AMD fanboy?

[wispy marsh]

You fucking frog in the well

[pliant leaf]

I just cannot see another explanation apart from sheer incompetence, at least from google's side

[manic torrent]

that is because you don't understand programming, design, interroperability, commercial development processes, etc etc

apple rules with an iron fist, and has extremely explicit goals about user experience etc.

[dreamy rose]

Apple's clear disregard for any ability to be Genuine and sell decent products. instead of selling good systems (Like the IIGS) they decided to sell the Macintosh.

[manic torrent]

They want to make your life easier *

• as long as your life is compatible with what they determine life is

[manic torrent]

fuck me can you ever use a reference from newer than fucking 30 years ago?

[wispy marsh]

Well

I have something that you can use to prove his side of the conversation is equal to incompetence

[dreamy rose]

and i get that it was Steve's thing. he got sucked back in to apple but at that point they were begging for him back. where he managed to Lie and Decieve to the public that basic things an 8 Bit system could do were "Amazing and New to computing"

[manic torrent]

Apple sell "Just Works" - and they do it well. They do not sell a hardware and a software product, they sell a Solution.

[pliant leaf]

Why did you have to go with IIGS when you coukd have just pointed to the iphone 14 presentation?

Mfs ran out of real improvements to make so they just went "if you don't get an iphone you will LITERALLY DIE"

[manic torrent]

could you be LESS relevant

[dreamy rose]

yeah they did that too.

[pliant leaf]

Which i mean, from someone studying a MSC marketing is a brilliant move but like...

[manic torrent]

Steven Paul Jobs (February 24, 1955 – October 5, 2011)

[dreamy rose]

how is this any less Relevant to APPLE?

[inland oracle]

every company exaggerates about their products

[wispy marsh]

Here, something from stanford university

[full fossil]

you cant say e girls?

[wispy marsh]

https://www.web.stanford.edu/~mshanks/MichaelShanks/files/509554.pdf

[full fossil]

wtf 💀

[inland oracle]

google acts like chromebooks are the only thing that come with an antivirus

[manic torrent]

from a history persective, ok great, but from a "current products" perspective, bleh

[dreamy rose]

its literally what the whole company was founded upon. Lies, Deceit and Trickery.

[wispy marsh]

Alright, everyone

[full fossil]

try saying e girls without the space

[inland oracle]

who tf cares

[wispy marsh]

Enough babysitting

[manic torrent]

In their defence, they are categorically one of the most secure laptop devices available.

[dreamy rose]

and? \

[full fossil]

nobody listens to u lil bro

[pliant leaf]

E girls

Egils

Egs store

[inland oracle]

cat meme died 2 years ago

[full fossil]

just like ur dad

[wispy marsh]

Because there is nothing inside to attack LOL

[full fossil]

[manic torrent]

<@&750150305383186585>

[dreamy rose]

hah, funny

[wispy marsh]

It's all cloud-based

[manic torrent]

.... no

[full fossil]

smokin that pack

[dreamy rose]

in a Gentoo Environment

[inland oracle]

you’ve gone off on a tangent on purpose so you didn’t have to answer my question

[manic torrent]

I have worked in cyber security, and I'm saying this from a real world perspective.

[pliant leaf]

Wait chromeos is gentoo?!

[full fossil]

[wispy marsh]

Is it because of mdm?

[dreamy rose]

what Question?

[manic torrent]

he does that, as a rule, arguing with him is a nice distraction, but he refuses to learn.

[wispy marsh]

Or just how the chromeOS is built in general?

I'm in the shallow waters of cybersec rn

[dreamy rose]

thats pretty common knowledge now. at least if you know things.

[velvet marsh]

Each tab in chromeOS is basically sanboxed

[manic torrent]

in general. all secure boot, files are natively encrypted, yadda yadda.

[pliant leaf]

I never even looked at chromeOS because i was under the assumption that google would kill it after 8 months

[wispy marsh]

Like a PAM vault, I assume

Hey, ChromeOS is fucking huge money for corpos

[dreamy rose]

nah its been a thing for more than 10 years.

[wispy marsh]

Education institutes around the world use it

[manic torrent]

yes, it is awesome for corps for various purposes.

[wispy marsh]

It five hunnid a pop for a laptop with 2c4t in 2022

[dreamy rose]

you know what else is good for corps?

[manic torrent]

sort of - there's an excellent paper on the OS boot process.

[pliant leaf]

Maybe in the states, when i was in high school our electronics were confiscated

[wispy marsh]

Do you have it? May I have it?

[dreamy rose]

this segue to our sponsor!

[manic torrent]

plus MDM fees

[manic torrent]

not handy

[wispy marsh]

The licensing for MDM is expensive?

[wispy marsh]

Well, the dog can't eat your homework now

[manic torrent]

I can't remember, but it's per device per year, so it's nice recurring income

[pliant leaf]

I used to eat it myself

https://tenor.com/view/yoru-discord-vinto-xhouls-sigma-gif-21977938

WTF EMBED FAIL

[dreamy rose]

be a booster or Floatplane viewer guy to get perms

[wispy marsh]

Dude, that is exactly the way of PAM Saas!

Don't they have on-prem MDM?

[pliant leaf]

I would but i already pay too many niche youtuber streaming platforms to afford floatplane too

[dreamy rose]

you're not paying specifically for 4k here on floatplane.

fucking google man.

[pliant leaf]

he thinks i pay for youtube premium

ReVanced manager man, no reddit ads, no youtube ads, just LTTstore.com

[velvet marsh]

yes you are

[dreamy rose]

i did not take you for a guy who wastes money on Youtube premium

[pliant leaf]

Shit though i might have to actually pay for it if i get the iphone

Depending on how this manifest V3 shit goes down

[dreamy rose]

isn't it the rule if you have an Apple product that you pay your way out of everything bad like Ads instead of simply not deal with it in better ways?

[pliant leaf]

Well, better is a subjective term

[dreamy rose]

getting it for free is better than like 20 dollars monthly is it not

[wispy marsh]

Huh. I can't count how many subscriptions I have

[pliant leaf]

Bruh i still gag when i read that price

Are they actually mad

[dreamy rose]

they Are

[wispy marsh]

Apple One Family, Youtube Premium Family, Patreon, Comics app

[pliant leaf]

It doesn't even come with like, their music streaming or something

[dreamy rose]

Apple One?

[wispy marsh]

Whatever. It's only 50 a month

I get to share it, that's the point

[pliant leaf]

It's like a megasubscription for apple news, apple tv, apple fitness+, apple music

[wispy marsh]

Nope

[dreamy rose]

when did apple add fitness stuff again?

[pliant leaf]

Oh did they change it

[wispy marsh]

That is Apple One+

[pliant leaf]

Late 2019 i think?

Or during the pandemic

[wispy marsh]

In nations and areas without Fitness+, the plan is just Apple One

The "+" refers to the availability of Fitness+

[dreamy rose]

pahaha. my Galaxy S4 was going crazy shitting out Fitness stats when i had it.

Widgets and everything

[pliant leaf]

apple one plus

Imagine iphones that fill up their storage with undeletable diagnostic dumps

[wispy marsh]

Not true. The diagnostics go away after an iTunes sync.

That's one major flaw about Apple Diagnostics

In order to perfect the experience, they keep a ton of diagnostics data

[dreamy rose]

only reason Apple hasn't gotten sued for using that name is because they are worth 2 trillion dollars. enough of a payout to afford Phoenix Wright 100 Mansions and to be set for life

[wispy marsh]

In other news, in order to perfect their software-driven financial income, other companies keep a ton of user data

[pliant leaf]

The second i finished setting up my galaxy watch S2 back when it was new i immediately got hit by all kinds of fitness ads 🗿🗿🗿

[dreamy rose]

it was everywhere on the early Samsung phones.

[wispy marsh]

At the same time, water makes things wet

[pliant leaf]

It was a throwback to oxygen OS bricking oneplus phones because they wouldn't delete their diagnostic dumps due to a bug

[dreamy rose]

toned down on their modern phones but still a thing

[wispy marsh]

I think I've heard something like this in the past

Like, fifty sixty gigs of diag

[pliant leaf]

God may allah smite BBK electronics

[wispy marsh]

Just fucking terrifying

[velvet marsh]

they literally stole the iPhone name

[wispy marsh]

It was back in a time when 64gb was the norm for phones too

[pliant leaf]

I have to say that nowadays the "i" in iphone stands out in the apple catalogue

[dreamy rose]

they called their service OnePlus. yeah that should be Sueing ground but nooope. not against Mr Big Jobs

[dreamy rose]

man 64 is the most you get on the Switch.

[pliant leaf]

But to be fair "iwatch" sounds absolutely awful

[wispy marsh]

Because that's all the puny chips inside of the switch can handle

[dreamy rose]

iWatch sounds like someone trying to ask to watch TV that doesn't know english that well

[teal estuary]

the chip can run a 128gb sd card just fine

[dreamy rose]

it can handle a 1TB SD Card.

[teal estuary]

i know, because i have the same piece of silicon, that accepts a 128gb card without issue

[wispy marsh]

I took a jab at their corpo strategy

[velvet marsh]

They've also been moving away from the "i" moniker for quite a few years

[pliant leaf]

I got a switch for free because my aunt wasn't using it, but i can't bring myself to buy anything more than stardew valley on this stupid thing

[teal estuary]

dont have one to verify with, but yes, it should

[wispy marsh]

The switch can hold 1TB

[teal estuary]

oh, it does actually let you?

[pliant leaf]

Like why should i go to the store, buy breath of the wild, play it on the switch at barely 30fps, when i can emulate it at 60fps

[dreamy rose]

it does, and some guy got it too hot and well melted that part of his Switch so be careful if you do

[teal estuary]

i wouldn't be surprised at Nintendo purposely locking it to a low value

[wispy marsh]

I'm joking about the capabilities because nintendo's purses are pretty tight when it comes to giving customers more

[teal estuary]

you should be buying it even if you emulate it

[dreamy rose]

ppl would be mad that they would be forced to buy Physical games if they did that

[wispy marsh]

btw you can still buy Zenonia 1 at full price on nintendo's store

It's like $30

8-hour game launched back in 2008's smh

There are people here older than that game

[teal estuary]

younger*

[wispy marsh]

whoops

[dreamy rose]

no shit bro

[wispy marsh]

Younger is correct

[pliant leaf]

Legally speaking yes, morally speaking emulators are honestly on the high ground. Nintendo can go eat a rusty nail sandwich.

Selling a tegra in 2022 at 400 dollars, who do they think they are?

[dreamy rose]

nah. they should be stranded in a desert first

[dreamy rose]

a company who makes games hardware later

[wispy marsh]

To be fair, nvidia would happily sell you a tegra for $400 when you're corpo

[pliant leaf]

I wonder when they will realize that low power hardware makes them less competitive... pokemon legends of arceus or whatever was called could have been so much better with modern hardware

[pliant leaf]

That... that is true

[wispy marsh]

My first and only console was the 3ds XL

The new one was such a minor spec bump that I just threw console gaming aside completely

[teal estuary]

i have no qualms with emulators, but if you emulate a game, you should own a copy of it, even if you dont have the official hardware to play it on

[wispy marsh]

Went back to PC and iOS and never looked back

[dreamy rose]

they have a lot of tegra to move. they likely ordered a boat load after it got discontinued

[wispy marsh]

Honestly though, if Apple decides to shell out for game companies to do their thing in order to maintain portable console gaming exclusivity

They wouldn't be a 3t company

They would have so much more people using their hardware and software in order to play, and it will spread on streams and videos

They'd more likely be 4t and beyond at this point in time

[pliant leaf]

Eeh

Apple would have to change a lot in their marketing and company structure to accomodate for gamers

Especially after treating mac gaming like it doesn't exist since.. well, since halo was supposed to be a mac exclusive

[tired glade]

They would have done it by now if they saw it as profitable

[pliant leaf]

That's not 100% true though, they might also just not see the value in it, because after a decade of this attitude they might genuinely not have people with experience in the gaming industry

I still don't know where they want to go with this latest push though, when they showed RE 8 and no man's sky running on macbooks.

[tired glade]

Like 3 Trillion corporation can't just buy a few top tier AAA game makers and lock them to platform

[pliant leaf]

That's... not how it works.

[tired glade]

Like that never happened

[pliant leaf]

Facebook spent about that money gobbling up any VR developer they could find.. and they didn't reveal a single game at the connect last week.

[manic torrent]

Apple doesn't want "gamers", they want casual gamers who play candy crush or whatever

[tired glade]

Gaming market is just secondary thing for Apple , if it's work, it's fine

[pliant leaf]

Google made an entire first party developer and publisher for stadia, after a year they didn't even announce a single game before they were closed

[manic torrent]

because "gamers" are a pain in the ass and don't want what apple are selling, as a rule.

[pliant leaf]

That's somewhat true

[manic torrent]

like in a gaming context I mean

[tired glade]

And Microsoft bought Bungie for Halo

[pliant leaf]

I would have gotten a windows gaming laptop, if those were not extinct on the european continent. But i couldn't find a decent one at less than 2k, so i caved for the macbook air M2

[tired glade]

Even tho Bungie started like Mac only gaming company

[wispy marsh]

Apple doesn't deal with server hardware

[tired glade]

For now

[manic torrent]

they tried, it was hilarious

[wispy marsh]

Telling Apple to deal with game servers is like telling them to buy fitbit this year

[pliant leaf]

Bungie was a one in a billion developer. a studio like that will likely never exist again.

[wispy marsh]

They deprecated MacOS server

[tired glade]

They can expanded Apple silicon to server standards,that cloud market looks juicy

[wispy marsh]

That is all the proof you need

They DEPRECATED MacOS server

[pliant leaf]

You mean the cloud market full of anthony-level religiously fanatic linux users

[tired glade]

Like no man sky devs?

[wispy marsh]

They've also said when they would sunset it

C'mon, read the words mate

[tired glade]

Like Mac os

[final glacier]

nah

[manic torrent]

actually the cloud runs an absolute boatload of windows.... although it uses linux to make them work.

[wispy marsh]

Azure AD and aws

[pliant leaf]

This mf is comparing bungie and halo to hello games and NMS🗿

[tired glade]

Isn't Amazon still biggest provider of cloud?

[tired glade]

Nice

[dreamy rose]

microsoft runs their windows on linux too.

[manic torrent]

yes, but they run huge amounts of windows machines (but as I said, on linux)

[tired glade]

So,no one really knows true numbers

[manic torrent]

they don't disclose them but I assume you it's a lot.

[wispy marsh]

They do

But it's unimaginable

[manic torrent]

I've heard from heaps of people at AWS

[wispy marsh]

Unlike consumer plebs, each instance of window is usually only made to do one thing

[manic torrent]

AWS have a mind melting number of DATACENTRES. let alone servers

[wispy marsh]

Like, if you have a closed-off enterprise endpoint protection solution, you can have one for the management, one for the siem, one to store the database etc

We use one laptop to attend classes, use office, watch youtube etc

They can have ten instances of windows for one product

If you use LB, HA and fault tolerance, it will be many many more

[tired glade]

With Linux you less depended on license software in your os or even close source software with Amazon scales

[manic torrent]

I work for a company atm that does technical asset management (licensing management)

Heaps of our clients have like 5+ servers JUST to run the licensing management system

[wispy marsh]

Well, that's why a lot of people are using docker and kuber

[tired glade]

Can you even do mass scale infrastructure without them?

[wispy marsh]

Is there a public website you can talk about for the product?

[manic torrent]

yes

[tired glade]

That sounds painful

[wispy marsh]

I do CyberArk PAM, so you can look at that

[manic torrent]

https://www.flexera.com/

[wispy marsh]

Oh wow. This is new to me. Thanks

[manic torrent]

not really - there's different ways of doing things, and aws have a heap of auto scaling stuff as well.

[manic torrent]

I mean honestly it's the most boring shit in the world

but I do fun backend stuff and I get to pay the bills

[wispy marsh]

Not really. I do this and it's tedious https://www.cyberark.com/products/privileged-access-manager/

Nice

[manic torrent]

yeah same deal, boring

[teal estuary]

how many things could they possibly have where you need 5+ modern servers for license management?

[manic torrent]

banks, energy providers, telcos, etc.

[wispy marsh]

I can foresee why you would need instances for license management

[teal estuary]

when you say 5+ do you mean total, or per DC?

[manic torrent]

I mean total