public-chat

[atomic oxide]

that’s true ^

Each brand is good at one thing specifically, but not everything

Just like how asus has good monitors and gpus

[fossil frost]

For someone who claims im making assumptions, you are making a few

[night heron]

just checked

the gigabyte m27q-x is $620cad on newegg and converted that's $450usd, so it's the same price it is in america

[atomic oxide]

new egg tho?

[night heron]

so?

[atomic oxide]

Nothing wrong with new egg, just more complicated

[night heron]

theyve never given me grief with returns

[atomic oxide]

I’d shop at Canada computers but they just fired me so I’m not shopping there anymore

[night heron]

lol based

[atomic oxide]

lmao

they don’t deserve my money

[night heron]

if it was cheaper id still buy from there

[atomic oxide]

I refuse

[night heron]

my wallet is more important than my ego

i have zero brand loyalty

[atomic oxide]

meh

Mixed opinions

[supple topaz]

Wallet loyalty!

[night heron]

if you want a 1440p 240hz monitor and dont want a curved panel then your best option would be the gigabyte m27q-x on newegg

[hearty spear]

Wallet Loyalty > Brand Loyalty

[night heron]

otherwise i could suggest different specced monitors

[hearty spear]

There's an HP 165Hz 1440 w fre Mech Keyboard for 192 right meow

[atomic oxide]

Saw that one on amazon, might get it on newegg

[hearty spear]

Amazon > Newegg for monitors

[night heron]

whatever is cheaper>

theyre both easy to return to so

[atomic oxide]

💯

[hearty spear]

Did newegg fix their monitor policy? It used to be terrible

[atomic oxide]

What was wrong with it?

[night heron]

ive never bought a monitor off newegg so i have no clue

ive only bought pc parts on newegg

[atomic oxide]

Zero Dead Pixel Policy
We want you to be 100% satisfied with your purchase, so Newegg will accept returns for monitors, TVs, and display products with as few as one dead pixel within the product's eligible return period.

[hearty spear]

you had to have a certain number of dead pixels to return it

[hearty spear]

okay they DID fix it, good.

[night heron]

ive never had a dead pixel

even my 43" 4k gigabyte fv43u monitor has 0

[atomic oxide]

Customer loyalty > money

[night heron]

now watch my odyssey g7 that arrives in two days have one

[atomic oxide]

I tried the G7 I kinda liked it

[night heron]

the g7 is a great monitor

it's the best 1440p240hz monitor if you dont mind a curve

[atomic oxide]

It was a curved monitor which I hated, it literally felt the same compared to my 165hz 1080p monitor

[hearty spear]

#public-chat message

[atomic oxide]

But that could be because I tried it out for a couple hours then returned it. Didn’t really feel smooth

[night heron]

its only real flaw is its lower than average contrast ratio for a va panel, most are like 2000-2500:1, but that's still way higher than ips or tn

[night heron]

this is odd

the g7 should feel extremely smooth

it has near perfect overdrive tuning

[hearty spear]

unless you don't have the refresh setup right

[atomic oxide]

It was set at 240

[night heron]

yeah he may have been using it when it first came out and had stuttering issues that were later fixed with firmware

and most people dont even configure their monitor overdrive

most people take their displays out of a box and never open the settings menu

which drives me insane

how are you going to spend your hard earned dollar and not spend 5 minutes to research what the best settings to use for it are

i try to learn about any product that i buy, not just computer tech

[inland pendant]

Can i temporaly top up my coolant with deionized water?

due to my proper coolant havnt arrived yet

due theres a LAN party im attending

[ebon otter]

Is watercooling work it now that 40 series, and am5 being very hot chips?

[night heron]

watercooling is more for fun than actual meaningful performance gain

[ebon otter]

But when a card draws 600 watts…

[sweet grail]

Next step ammonia

[night heron]

it doesn’t, and they run plenty cool because their heat sinks are so large

[ebon otter]

Itx 40 series is impossible

[night heron]

pretty sure optimum tech already fit the founders 4090 in itx

it’s shorter than the 3090Ti founders

it’s only thicker which is pretty irrelevant to fitting in most cases

[marsh mortar]

When someone dm me I don’t get notifications, it appears in message requests

Is everyone having the same thing?

[night heron]

i haven’t experienced that before personally

[full fossil]

the minimum specs for the silent hill 2 remake are insane

for 1080p low/medium 30 fps. you need a GTX 1080

[night heron]

damn

it better be beautiful if it runs that poorly

[hollow pulsar]

Not necessarily. 😦

[full fossil]

it’s konami we’re talking about they’ve spent half an hour optimizing for pc. rest of development is for the consoles

[dreamy rose]

Silent Hill? the one and only Horror series from PlayStation?

[austere narwhal]

thats in contrast to Silent Hills, right

[night heron]

[full fossil]

windows 11 is the recommended OS lmaooooo

[night heron]

i wonder if theyre forcing antialiasing, that could cause the low fps

or maybe it's just horribly optimized i dont know

[ebon otter]

I plan on getting over 10,000 movies/tv shows on plex in the future. Is that to much?

[night heron]

you wont be able to store that many unless youre storing them in piss poor quality

itd be better to store things that you actually want to watch in higher quality

[wooden sphinx]

I’m sitting at about 12000 episodes and movies right now, so it’s certainly possible

[ebon otter]

I’ll recreate the pedobyte project

[rough fox]

i want to ask how downloading a file from internet exactly works, when you press save as: and the file starts downloading down left of the web browser the donwload speed stills depends of the server where are you downloading it?

[full fossil]

Yes

I noticed that cause some sites download things slower than others

[fluid ridge]

your internet speed depends on a variety of things, but the 2 primary things are your download speed (speedtest.net results) and the server you are downloading froms capability to output more bandwidth

[rough fox]

ok thank you very much 🫡

[full fossil]

PETAbyte... careful with that prefix! 😉

[rough cipher]

i just assumed he was mcgruff

and wanted to take a byte out of crime

[granite tinsel]

honestly surprised they didn't get zapped by the warship for that LMAO

[sick rune]

deliciously unoptimized, even outplaying cyberpunk's unoptimization

[obtuse epoch]

the like and dislike ratio on Linus recent video is interesting

[night heron]

it depends on many factors

the storage speed of the server that you're downloading from, theirs and your available network bandwidth, how much cpu power both you and they have

[hollow pulsar]

The one where, on the title alone, it sounds like he just want people to pay for floatplane?

[obtuse epoch]

yeah

[hollow pulsar]

To be clear, I haven’t watched it yet.

[obtuse epoch]

a tl:dr, Linus agrees with youtube decision that the 4k video quality should be paywalled

[hollow pulsar]

Imagine him making this video 15 years ago, but for 1080p

Yea no. We already pay for this stuff through ads.

[night heron]

tldr his reasoning is that the alternative is for 4k to not exist at all, or for old videos to be purged, so having a paywall on 4k is the best option

because we're all gonna lie down and accept whatever youtube does regardless, there is nothing that compares to youtube

[ebon otter]

Lol sorry

[night heron]

(because of the unavoidable exponentially increasing storage cost for all the videos that get uploaded to the platform)

yeah youtube could shoulder the cost for a while longer but theyre not going to, they have no reason to, theyre a business and have no competition

[fluid ridge]

as googles profit rises, their cost will naturally rise too - and part of this cost is investing in more storage servers to hold the data for which you will then serve to a consumer in exchange for their data and their time in watching your advertisements

[lucid echo]

Your mind might not be completely changed but the argument will make more sense

[night heron]

i think linus explained it very well and his opinion is realistic

[lucid echo]

Agreed

[night heron]

if the options are:
A: quality gets reduced for free users, the majority of which using horrible displays and not being able to distinguish the quality anyway
B: old videos get purged, potentially destroying useful information
C: they give you 10 unskippable ads in a row

im picking option A

[obtuse epoch]

there are small competitors like rumble, odyssey, and others

[night heron]

there is nothing that compares to youtube

[fluid ridge]

or D:
scale the costs along with the profit and then you dont need to hike the prices for anyone

[night heron]

theyre not going to shoulder the cost, there is no option D

they are a god-level company with absolutely 0 real competition

[fluid ridge]

theyve been doing it for 15+ years

[night heron]

yeah and storage demand didnt skyrocket until recently

[lucid echo]

One exception not mentioned is, if you're downloading an image/GIF from a website, that's usually already been downloaded to your RAM

[night heron]

not an exaggeration

youtube houses a humongous portion of humanity's collective knowledge

it is the single greatest library on the planet by a landslide

[lucid echo]

If any of those reached the size of YT they'd face the same exact decision

[fluid ridge]

i would like to point out that youtube probably was not profitable for a significant period of it's life

the reason it is god level is because of sheer perseverance

[night heron]

how it got there is irrelevant to the debate, fact is they're basically the internet itself and can do whatever they want

reducing free users to 1080p is the safest option of the available likely outcomes

[fluid ridge]

well thats just google

[lucid echo]

I wish more platforms gave me the option to pay for no ads honestly. I couldn't imagine YT without premium at this point, it's great.

[night heron]

ive never had premium before

[lucid echo]

also 1440p!

[fluid ridge]

youtube more and more profitable, i believe some costs should be placed into investing in better server infrastructure

[obtuse epoch]

i want to say something offensive to the CEO of Google but i won't risk a ban

[night heron]

offering 1440p would only appeal to people using gaming monitors to watch youtube, which is an extremely small minority of its userbase

[fluid ridge]

that way everything stays the same, google still profits (a little bit less) but we're all good 😎

[night heron]

that's the most pro-consumer option triage but that's not what'll happen

[lucid echo]

Google has been investing in better infrastructure for years, it is physically impossible to scale with the amount of content coming in

[fluid ridge]

the more content that comes in, the better for google

would you not agree?

[lucid echo]

only if they can distribute it

[night heron]

compression algorithm improvement and storage cost aren't scaling at the same rate that their amount of uploaded content is

[fluid ridge]

in order to accommodate the growth in content, they should do their best to scale with it

[night heron]

eventually they will literally be unable to house all the content no matter what

[fluid ridge]

putting 4K behind a paywall does not remove the extra space taken on the harddrives by the video

the video already exists, the storage is already gone whether you pay to see it or not

[night heron]

no it doesn't but it presents another reason for people to give them money

[hollow pulsar]

Yea, I still disagree. YT could easily re-encode videos or lock higher resolutions behind the youtuber having to pay for that upload size. That would significantly cut down on the junk content in 4k that's all over youtube.

[west sentinel]

Anyone knows if NZXT gives free return shipping?

[fluid ridge]

i believe instead of neutering a core part of their platform for 10+ years, they should add other means of getting profit

inb4 comment section paywall

[night heron]

if they paywall anything over 1080p and put twenty 15-second ads per video then a massive amount of people will join premium

[night heron]

it's not a core part of their platform

0.01% of people care about youtube offering 4k

[lucid echo]

@fluid ridge Did you even watch the video?

[fluid ridge]

to be able to watch videos on a video hosting site in high quality? i believe it is a core part

[fluid ridge]

yes

[lucid echo]

Surprising

[night heron]

the vast majority of people watch youtube on their phones, or $250 walmart tvs that they took out of the box, plugged in, and never even opened the setting menu for

[lucid echo]

Yep

[night heron]

the vast majority of people dont even know what pixels are

or compression or bitrate

[lucid echo]

1080p is plenty HD for the average person

[night heron]

we're just a very vocal minority

[fluid ridge]

1080 is not enough for me

[night heron]

the vast majority of people know absolutely nothing about the technology that they use

[lucid echo]

Lots of people tend to forget that here

[fluid ridge]

i only watch videos that offer an 8K setting

[night heron]

like literally nothing

more than "this screen looks good"

and for youtube to even offer 4k with that being the reality is surprising

considering it's a free platform with a god level monopoly

[obtuse epoch]

monopoly bad

[night heron]

not wrong but that's life

[lucid echo]

Honestly I'm surprised youtube offers 4K for free at all

[fluid ridge]

since 2010 baby 😎

[night heron]

if they removed 4k tomorrow without saying anything

[obtuse epoch]

no, we need to disband monopolies like google
we can do something

[night heron]

0.001% of users would notice

[lucid echo]

However long it's been doesn't really matter, that's not what I mean

[full fossil]

Is it weird that I drink my coffee black?

[night heron]

nah that's based

[lucid echo]

They would only notice from some news article, not the actual setting in YT

[full fossil]

Much love

[night heron]

i would notice instantly but i am

a 0.0001% user

and i would pay for youtube premium if that were the case

[obtuse epoch]

i hate premium

[fluid ridge]

i think the better solution would be to remove the 1080p option and below

no cap

[night heron]

now you're just speaking nonsense

[lucid echo]

Most of us here are, but we like to project our tastes. because monkey brain

[night heron]

a large portion of people using youtube cannot even stream 4k video

[fluid ridge]

maybe get a device not from 2007

🗿

[night heron]

are you baiting or just unreasonable

[lucid echo]

Run out of valid things to say, move onto bits and jokes

[fluid ridge]

i am just kidding

[night heron]

tfw people remember countries outside of the US exist and watch youtube

[fluid ridge]

i doubt they are a big portion of youtubes profit

[night heron]

ive seen people in this discord say they have 500kbps internet

[fluid ridge]

perhaps google should consider catering to a chinese market

[full fossil]

fr??

[obtuse epoch]

WTF

[edgy moss]

1080p is where i draw the line though

[lucid echo]

I am the only person amongst my friends with internet capable of two 4K video streams

[fluid ridge]

unlocking almost 2 billion people, effectively at least 1.5x-ing their current user base

[fluid ridge]

whats your internet speed

[full fossil]

I get booted off my internet every 20 minutes 😭

[lucid echo]

Gigabit

[full fossil]

some guy leaked my ip in ever server in existence

[lucid echo]

I host a plex server

[obtuse epoch]

move to jellyfin

[lucid echo]

And lemme tell you, hosting 4K content is a MASSIVE pain

[hollow pulsar]

Are you using a cable modem?

[obtuse epoch]

💀

[lucid echo]

No

[night heron]

man: can i have a pattern seeking brain?
nature: to avoid predators?
man: yes
man: actually argues about youtube bitrate/resolution like a boss

[fluid ridge]

they must have really slow wifi

[full fossil]

idk, I’m not a tech genius like you guys

[fluid ridge]

i can run a 4k stream and an 8k stream

2 8k streams eat shit but it's more of a GPU problem on my end

[lucid echo]

No, it's plenty fast for what they need

[obtuse epoch]

plex had security issues in the past and recently

[fluid ridge]

i have 300mb/s

[lucid echo]

I'm aware, still no

[night heron]

i use jellyfin because thats what i chose to use first and im too lazy to migrate

[lucid echo]

I've been at this for years, I know my options

[obtuse epoch]

and jellyfin is open source

[lucid echo]

I do not care

[night heron]

features and capability> open sourcing

[lucid echo]

There are a dozen reasons why I prefer plex. I

[fluid ridge]

open sourcing comes with features and capability when people make pull requests, contributions and raise issues in your code

[lucid echo]

I've tried both, jelly doesn't cut it for my needs

[fluid ridge]

however it is no doubt that right now proprietary software is king

[lucid echo]

I am a software dev at a F500 company, I know what open source means

[fluid ridge]

🫡

i was just saying how open source doesnt necessarily mean no features

[obtuse epoch]

what happens if plex suddenly dies and your media is lost
what would you do?

[night heron]

of course not but if he likes a feature that jellyfin doesnt offer then he's not going to migrate simply to avoid using a closed source software

[lucid echo]

In the case of Plex/Jelly it means objectively fewer features/updates at a slower release cycle.

[delicate fox]

this is day 180 of trying to get unbanned from the animal crossing server

[night heron]

how did you get banned

[obtuse epoch]

what happend?

[fluid ridge]

my guy listening to al qaedirection on spotify

[delicate fox]

i asked the mod to time me out for 24 hours and she just IP baned me

[lucid echo]

My media is not lost, it's on a raid array in my house backed up by backblaze. If plex dies I'll just use another software to point at my directories

[night heron]

based mod

[fluid ridge]

dumb action to a dumb request

[delicate fox]

yes

[obtuse epoch]

who?

[fluid ridge]

it is a one direction hokj

[night heron]

it's reasonable if he was purposefully trolling chat and asking to be muted

if someone is only in my server to be annoying id kick them

[obtuse epoch]

get a VPN

[delicate fox]

yeah but now no one on my net work can join

[night heron]

skill issue unironically

[fluid ridge]

unplug your router

[delicate fox]

its still linked to my account

[fluid ridge]

plug it back in

[lucid echo]

I hate that phrase but this is the one time I'll allow it

[fluid ridge]

chances are you have a dynamic ip address

[night heron]

i think it's funny when people use it to be annoying, but i understand how it can be annoying

[fluid ridge]

your discord account will remain banned regardless of IP but others on your wifi will be able to join

[obtuse epoch]

what VPN provider do you use?

[night heron]

you can also just turn off your wifi and join the server using your cell data

[delicate fox]

idk

[night heron]

then re-enable your wifi once you're in the server

[lucid echo]

In my experience people use it to be dismissive when they don't have anything else to say, rather than it actually being humorous

[fluid ridge]

https://protonvpn.com

[night heron]

you dont need a vpn to avoid an ip ban

you can use the solution i said above for free

[delicate fox]

its animal crossing i don't even play it anymore

and i have a vpn

[obtuse epoch]

I have it but it doesn't support port forwarding

[fluid ridge]

why do you want to be unbanned then

[fluid ridge]

i think thats a premium feature

[delicate fox]

to say i am

[fluid ridge]

along with torrenting support and secure core

[obtuse epoch]

but that cost money

[delicate fox]

i got baned because i was bord now i get unbanned because im bord
'

[fluid ridge]

protonvpn is relatively cheap

protonmail is an excellent service i pay for

[lucid echo]

PIA gang

[fluid ridge]

i dont pay for the vpn since no point, unlimited bandwidth for free users

[obtuse epoch]

i have the free version

[fluid ridge]

thats all you need

they dont put a bandwidth cap even if you dont pay you good

[night heron]

i leech off my friend's mullvad subscription

[obtuse epoch]

PIA?

[night heron]

private internet access vpn

[obtuse epoch]

based privacy aware person just like mental outlaw

[night heron]

mullvad is the goat

aside from their ios app being absolutely horrible, but i never use that anyway

[obtuse epoch]

PIA and its CEO has a shady history

[sonic barn]

https://www.vice.com/en/article/g5vmgw/github-users-want-to-sue-microsoft-for-training-an-ai-tool-with-their-code lol

[full fossil]

what's your opinion on black parts in a corsair 4000D airflow?

[atomic latch]

how long has the 3070 strix white edition been out?

[obtuse epoch]

LMAO

[atomic latch]

is 750 AUD worth for a 3070 white edition used?

[sonic barn]

copilot uses GPL licenses if you didn't know which are the default one

there's always gonna be one person with the same code as you

stackoverflow be like

[lucid echo]

Linus dropped them after that news, re-vetted them, and works with them again. I'm not doing anything besides torrenting on it, so that's all the validation I need. It's cheap and has all the features/speed I need

[fluid ridge]

is there a legitimate concern to not torrenting without a vpn?

[gilded quest]

Black on black is a good look right now

[fluid ridge]

i just dont even bother and torrent on my network

[sonic barn]

in canada they stopped caring

[fluid ridge]

im in canada lucky me

[sonic barn]

they just throttle

[full fossil]

does black on white look any good?

[night heron]

depending on your ISP they could mail you a cease and desist letter and if you continue they can charge you

[gilded quest]

First order stormtrooper vibes

[lucid echo]

The two instances where I left the VPN off, I got letters in the mail telling me to 'cut it out, jack'

[night heron]

as in with a crime not an increased internet bill

[lucid echo]

They'll also throttle your data speed

[gilded quest]

My PC is black and white, and RGB. But after living the white and RGB life for 2 years, I kinda want to go back to all black for a stealthy/understated look

[sonic barn]

in canada we got 3 isps and I know people that legit torrent terabytes of stuff a month and just need to unplug and replug their router once and a while

[obtuse epoch]

i would throw the letter in the trash and move on

[sonic barn]

I use a vpn though

[lucid echo]

That works the first couple times

[sonic barn]

for linux isos ofc... not games...

[gilded quest]

(imagine a black GPU is also in there)

[full fossil]

no ltt screwdriver 😭

[gilded quest]

I've never used a ratcheting screwdriver and idk if I need one

I have a solid fixed driver and an ifixit kit

[full fossil]

also where is your gpu

[gilded quest]

I use the ifixit driver for most of the PC building anyways cause of it's size

[gilded quest]

Just out of frame to the right

I went for most recent pic in my gallery, not most complete pic

[full fossil]

what gpu do you have

[gilded quest]

Aorus 1080ti

[full fossil]

which province???? 😀

[fluid ridge]

bri'ish columbia

[full fossil]

I’m so sad

all my Canadian friends are in BC

😭

[gilded quest]

@full fossil slightly outdated pic of my PC

[full fossil]

smexy

my pc can’t handle the simplest things things

[sonic barn]

wanna swap with me in qc

[full fossil]

I really want a new pc 😫

especially an asus ❤️

[full fossil]

looks fire

[full fossil]

Quebec is basically France

[sonic barn]

worse

[gilded quest]

I swapped the H100i to H150i. Made the QL as intake on top and exhaust in rear

[full fossil]

looks like i will go with white and black

[manic torrent]

Awww yeah. Just picked up a HP G2 thunderbolt dock for $65 AUD posted

[full fossil]

Ontario is basically america, bri’ish colobia is basically China, the territories are irrelevant, the only valid provinces are ab, sas, and mani

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b8wKMb

[fluid ridge]

vancouver and toronto go hard though

[full fossil]

That aio cooler is stupid

Get something else

Like a fuma 2 or an ak620

[full fossil]

what's wrong with it?

[sonic barn]

I'm moving to ontario or Nova scotia after

I legit hate this province

[full fossil]

move to ab

[sonic barn]

oil country

[full fossil]

ontario is turning into America fr fr

[full fossil]

Overpriced like all hell

[full fossil]

ab >>>>

[sonic barn]

ontario uses crossbows though

[gilded quest]

It's expensive and overkill for a 5800X

The H150i isn't bad, but you can get equivalent performance for a lot less

[full fossil]

You can get a comparable air cooler for literally a fifth of the price

@full fossil u don't even watch Ltt bru

[full fossil]

who is u

[sonic barn]

nova scotia is like the new zealand of canada

[full fossil]

nobody cares abt the Atlantic provinces

[gilded quest]

So it's always left off Canadian maps?

[sonic barn]

I think its cool u can get like 20 acres

for the price of a regular home

or a home for 80k and a big plot of land

[full fossil]

yh but nothing to do

[full fossil]

the person u pinged

[sonic barn]

u can fish

[full fossil]

ok

[sonic barn]

I will grow gpus

[full fossil]

and

[sonic barn]

rtx tree

[full fossil]

boring

anyone gonna buy 4090

🗿

what if your boat sinks

[full fossil]

I know a couple that already have

[sonic barn]

smh runescape fly fishing is cool

[full fossil]

🛥️ 💦

[full fossil]

they say it's worth it?

[full fossil]

me

[dreamy rose]

Specs?

[sonic barn]

my pc can't handle candy crush

[full fossil]

dunno 🤷‍♂️

[dreamy rose]

i'm like the king of the shit systems. my laptops all buggered up and crashes constantly

[cursive whale]

the new iPad X is such a disappointment

[long kraken]

yo yo

[robust fjord]

run dxdiag

[dreamy rose]

not to mention going on 10 yeara with a Mediocre GPU even for 2011

[long kraken]

when is nickname perms?

[robust fjord]

or right click on my computer, properties

[cursive whale]

the device itself uses USB-C but it only supports the 1st gen Apple Pencil which uses Lightning, so their solution is a fucking dongle 🤦‍♀️

[dreamy rose]

what is there to expect from Apple? a Decent experience? you're trolling, surely

[full fossil]

my pc doesn’t have that big box that other pc’s have

which probably explains why it’s so slow

[long kraken]

when perms?

[full fossil]

all its parts are built in

[dreamy rose]

never

[robust fjord]

hmm? what windows version? 10 or 7? or earlier?

[long kraken]

no nickname perms

[full fossil]

10

[dreamy rose]

no nickname perms

[long kraken]

[robust fjord]

typing dxdiag on search on start menu will yield dxdiag, but it will take awhile

[cursive whale]

it's literally just a watered down 2020 iPad Air

[dreamy rose]

to be Expected honestly

[full fossil]

ok

[robust fjord]

or just right click on my computer icon thing I said earlier, should show general specs

[full fossil]

ok

[dreamy rose]

if you are talking apple you gotta expect mediocre hardware and expensive pricing

[cursive whale]

yeah for $449, I personally think it's overpriced

the A14 chip is already 2 years old

[robust fjord]

dang I forgot how zen2 was that fast until I cpu rendered a 3d model on max quality

[velvet marsh]

I can render BMW blender test in like 1m on cpu

[dreamy rose]

people say that Apple isn't overpriced. and while not everything is over 1000 dollars like they mean. they still sell literal turds for 600+

[long kraken]

are there roles? or just nothing?

[dreamy rose]

no nickname perms. not in nay role or otherwise

[long kraken]

alr

[dreamy rose]

gross XD

[long kraken]

wut? its doggy

[cursive whale]

that moment when Apple sold the 3rd gen Watch for 5 fucking years

finally they discontinued it

[dreamy rose]

he eat sick burger on loop, Bleugh

[long kraken]

[long kraken]

[full fossil]

there

which one is it

[long kraken]

there now just burgr

[dreamy rose]

you could just right click on the taskbar and go to Task Manager. there it can tell you the spec if you expand and go to Perfomance tab

you dont need DXDiag

[full fossil]

ctrl + shift + esc

[long kraken]

or just have it in your task bar

[dreamy rose]

nah

[long kraken]

why nah?

[full fossil]

i already have it in my taskbar

[long kraken]

[full fossil]

im there

now what

[long kraken]

go to performance

[full fossil]

i did

[manic torrent]

You don't need a big box to have big .... specs.

[full fossil]

oh

[dreamy rose]

well, spec is there. read em out

[full fossil]

ok

3.19ghz

[manic torrent]

I mean, it absolutely helps, don't get me wrong, but I'm currently using my laptop and an egpu

[full fossil]

sockets: 1
cores: 4

[full fossil]

BOB

hello bob

[manic torrent]

CHEESE

[long kraken]

which egu?

[full fossil]

logic: processors: 4
virtulization: disabled

[dreamy rose]

means nothing, what model CPU is it?

[long kraken]

just tell the cpu model, gpu and or ram amount

[full fossil]

how are you fren

[manic torrent]

It is a 6600XT in an AORUS egpu box

[long kraken]

ver nice

[manic torrent]

been better, got a nice temp and I feel like warmed up garbage

[full fossil]

nice nice

intel r core(tm) i5 cpu 650 @ 3.20ghz

is that good

or bad

[long kraken]

not bad thats a 2010 cpu

[full fossil]

oh

whats the best one

[dreamy rose]

better than my 2nd gen i5

[dreamy rose]

AMD Epyc

[long kraken]

Probably not the best for gaming but itll run

[full fossil]

then why does my pc suck so much

gaming is super laggy

[long kraken]

expensive 💀

[full fossil]

wrong

[long kraken]

how much ram and what gpu?

[dreamy rose]

it doesn't suck, its just old

[long kraken]

my 2017 pc is slowin down 😭

[manic torrent]

it's old af

[dreamy rose]

are you having the balls to say that a Mere Xeon can rival the power of Epyc?

[manic torrent]

My PC needs an upgrade from 3700X/3070

[long kraken]

2017 was like yesterday

[full fossil]

somebody just used the best pickup line ever on me

[manic torrent]

blah blah who cares, 'best' is a bit of a useless thing

[long kraken]

[full fossil]

games can't make use out of all of those cores

[full fossil]

how old

[dreamy rose]

Servers can. and they will.

[robust fjord]

ah no wonder

[long kraken]

12 years

[robust fjord]

12 years old

[full fossil]

I thought it was for gaming?

[long kraken]

thas wut i said

[night heron]

there is no best processor for all usecases and power budgets

[full fossil]

i want an asus pc

[full fossil]

hello!

those stuff look smexy

[manic torrent]

It is, but he likes to talk shit

[long kraken]

huh?

[robust fjord]

same as my gf's laptop, it should still be able to play old games and jinx @long kraken and hi @full fossil

[dreamy rose]

they said "Best" not "Best for (INSERT)"

[manic torrent]

which is meaningless.

[night heron]

there is no best processor for all usecases

[robust fjord]

though its limit is playing 1440p youtube videos @full fossil

[long kraken]

ping no reply???? you confuse me good sir

[robust fjord]

tried playing 4k and its stuttery

[long kraken]

L

[manic torrent]

My CPU is an 1165G7 with a low power limit

[full fossil]

is that good

[robust fjord]

yep, tested gf's laptop before I gave it to her ofc, repasted it with Q tips

[manic torrent]

4k you really need something decent driving it - or at least modern enough you can gpu offload it

[long kraken]

thas the way to do it

[full fossil]

i have another pc which sucks slightly less than my current pc

but its windows 7

[robust fjord]

its a LG Xnote R570

[full fossil]

so i dont wanna risk using it too much

[robust fjord]

best I could do to it was windows 10

but I can still slap 2x4 gb to upgrade it, but then I would just consider surprising her with a new one when shes already my fiance in the future

[robust fjord]

younger pc?

if its ATX type pc you can upgrade it

[full fossil]

i dont have a disk

so i cant upgrade to windows 10 rn

[full fossil]

probably

[dreamy rose]

a HDD? or CD?

[robust fjord]

USB better, also just replace the hdd with ssd for boot, since hdd will really just make life very slow

[full fossil]

i dont rlly use the other pc much anyway

[full fossil]

a what

[dreamy rose]

Hard Disk Drive

the spinny storage thing that shakes your PC

[full fossil]

idk

[dreamy rose]

it has storage?

[long kraken]

I just pick up and shake my pc

Helps test for any cooling loop leaks as well

[dreamy rose]

so does driving a Tesla Underwater.

[long kraken]

That’s a new idea. I’ll tell my buddy to try that out at work tomorrow

[dreamy rose]

no need. theres a dude who did it on youtube. yeah he stripped the interior but he did it

[long kraken]

bruh

[dreamy rose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npnwau-XZd0
Have a look

[long kraken]

Don’t Rick roll me

[dreamy rose]

i swear to god it is not a Rickroll. you are safe

[long kraken]

Okay…

They really did it with the plaid

[dreamy rose]

yes

it worked right after up until 3 months ago when he crashed it going like 130MPH or so

he made a video on that too

[long kraken]

💀

[runic lagoon]

just send it to ritch rebuilds. He'll fix it with a butter knife and duck tape.

[full fossil]

ever since i uploaded all its photos to my phone, i haven't touched it

it has like 2k photos

very old photos indeed

ill probably want to upload the photos onto my main pc so that in case my icloud gets messed up somehow, i still have the photos safe and sound

[long kraken]

[bleak vessel]

What’s a good productivity monitor that won’t break the bank

YouTube, movies, school, some coding

[granite finch]

yooooo

hows my favorite server going

[granite finch]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-my-honest-reaction-gif-25652576

[long kraken]

No gifs

[dreamy rose]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[wraith sonnet]

am I going to regret this?

[dreamy rose]

still waiting to be able to see if ChromeOS Flex would run on my laptop ngl.

[wraith sonnet]

you understand that it's free to try?

[dreamy rose]

gotta pull my drives out and put that dying Seagate in once i download the stuff

[wraith sonnet]

it can boot from usb

[long kraken]

Floatplane can post pics?

[dreamy rose]

installing it to the drive since USB 2 is slow as shit

[wraith sonnet]

server boosters can too

[long kraken]

Oh Noice

[dreamy rose]

yes. basic green names have no perms except chatting lol. nobody has Nickname Perms

[wraith sonnet]

I'm installing it to a micro sd over usb 2. I know the feel.

[long kraken]

[dreamy rose]

Boost?

[wraith sonnet]

staff and mods do

[lilac sage]

on the bright side ur name is green.

[dreamy rose]

AMD was green for Majority of their life

[long kraken]

Nah already used boosts. Maybe if I become active in this server again. Left like last year bc inactive

[wraith sonnet]

and the second they bought ati they went red

[lilac sage]

having 2 gpu team greens would be a nightmare

[dreamy rose]

it was internal Division that made them change.

[wraith sonnet]

ruby radeon for smash

[dreamy rose]

GPU side and CPU side were like seperated into "Green team" and "Red Team"

[wraith sonnet]

RGB

[dreamy rose]

nothing like that was in the company itself it was the employees

[wraith sonnet]

ironic that only amd can properly run a triple gpu system with all three manufacturers

actually that's not a bad idea

[dreamy rose]

because AMD is the only decent one of the 3

[wraith sonnet]

current best behaved =/= decent

I have things to say about intel that I can't for another 2.25 hours

[dreamy rose]

what? Nvidia is a Schoolyard bully, being a prick to their partners, Intel is just some cocky asshole who thinks they are cool, doesn't provide anything worth batting an eye at and AMD may not have invented the Microprocessor but they made the most Major Advancements. better yet keeping their new technologies being supported for Open Source platfoms.

[wraith sonnet]

I wasn't saying that, I'd actually say intel is the most decent while not the best behaved

[dreamy rose]

taking the massive loss that was Bulldozer. coming back through powering the consoles and making generally good products after that. they are Decent and Well Behaved.

that isn't to say they aren't greedy and bad at times. but they done more to advance technology than Intel has tried.

[wraith sonnet]

behavior from best to worst; AMD, Intel, IBM, Google, Apple, Qualcomm, Nvidia

[dreamy rose]

i'd Argue that Apple is definitely worse than Nvidia.

[wraith sonnet]

Apple gets the pass explicitly because they also publicly called out Nvidia for being a pile of shit

[dreamy rose]

remember the Apple IIGS? no? yeah they killed it off for a 2000+ dollar CPU and RAM on a Board.

[proud tree]

I got i5-5300u, intel hd 5500, 4gb ddr3, 500gb hdd ...... will this server accept me 😔

[wraith sonnet]

Qualcomm gets this low because of the microsoft arm bullshit

[wraith sonnet]

since when was the letter "u" used by intel?

[dreamy rose]

you have never looked at the laptops, have you?

[gilded quest]

U-series laptop chips have been around for years

U is 15-28W?

[dreamy rose]

this server accepts Mac Users. you're fine

[wraith sonnet]

I basically had written off intel laptops until 12th gen because of power draw

[proud tree]

Welcome to the ancient times my g

[runic lagoon]

they used U because ufo

[dreamy rose]

they still suck for Laptops

[proud tree]

They still use the U but

Right

[wraith sonnet]

also i5 with the x00 number being a 3?

[proud tree]

It's a windows 😰

[wraith sonnet]

this server accepts chrome os users...

[proud tree]

Clock speed

[dreamy rose]

doesn't matter if its Windows. they accept Mac users, who do more sin than people with Bad PCs

[proud tree]

Ohhh lmfao

[dreamy rose]

its Gentoo. Chrome OS is fine

[wraith sonnet]

I'm trying it since it's basically a super stable and idiot linux branch

[dreamy rose]

oh man this Schoolwork is incorrect. you don't have batteries in a PS2 Controller

[proud tree]

@wraith sonnet do you make content on floatplane?

[wraith sonnet]

No I pay for it

[proud tree]

Oh okay

[dreamy rose]

Bronze is just a Chad Floatplane watcher

[wraith sonnet]

I work for a system integrator

[dreamy rose]

Small studio or Big Boy?

[wraith sonnet]

Chad Noctua enjoyer

[wraith sonnet]

we sponsor Berd and Donut Operator and a couple of the vShojo girls

ironically I worked at shark robot making some of the vShojo merch before jumping over

[dreamy rose]

BERD,

[wraith sonnet]

I explicitly don't mention the name of the company because of my public hatred for Nvidia

it's working

[dreamy rose]

Aftershock PC doesn't have AMD laptops. but i still wish to go work there.

[robust fjord]

if I ever flip this gpu that cant be flipped when I change the fan stickers Ill lose my mind

[dreamy rose]

Maybe i'd buy a laptop from there if they had them AMD Options. but i'd be fine using other's systems anyway

[wraith sonnet]

technically speaking my employer doesn't but it's retail branch does

well, they briefly carried the laptop I use

Well, it kind of worked

I need a bigger micro sd for this continued experiment

now to transer over 60 gb off this other drive

[wispy marsh]

Aftershock provides you with bronze power supplies and undersized boot drives

[wraith sonnet]

why are they selling my power supply?

it's not their property

[wispy marsh]

Submit a ticket

I found a feature that I like on firefox

it's to send to my other devices (particularly mobile and work laptops)

[worldly kayak]

lets gooo! 2022 ipad pro! now i can buy the 2021 model for even cheaper

[distant ridge]

What are some cool things I can do with an eight socket 128 core computer
And a 3U rack box with a whole bunch of plain PCI-e slots, currently configured with either 4 or 6 nVidia Tesla M2090's
(the pcie box is the 8 socket server's expansion box, connects with big bus cable)
those two are available here and I want to buy it so badly
but it is also expensive

[velvet marsh]

With the teslas, heat up a room

[distant ridge]

I mean winter is approaching here, so...

Compute wise?

last winter I did some crypto mining, but that's a pretty lousy idea now lol

[velvet marsh]

I mean they're fermi so nothing impressive really

[distant ridge]

Well 6 of them though

Would add up to some serious compute power

[velvet marsh]

With perfect scaling, which it won't be, it's slower than a 2080

[distant ridge]

aw

[velvet marsh]

do you have it already?

[full fossil]

what laptop is that

[distant ridge]

No

I may or may not buy the pcie expansion box
But the server I really want

[velvet marsh]

which cpu cores?

[distant ridge]

AMD Opteron 6376's

Or 6380

Not sure

Actually the server has only two internal PCIe slots I'm pretty sure

Which is why they have the expansion box

[velvet marsh]

oof opteron was pretty weak

[distant ridge]

well they're 16 cores each, and 8 of em

for $250

[ocean terrace]

What’s poppin

[velvet marsh]

I mean if you're cpu rendering maybe, but anything single core is gonna be awful

[velvet marsh]

4 of them is about as fast as a ryzen 5 2600

[manic torrent]

vfvcvccc vb =dx

[sly lava]

Guys I need help with my PC, I'll explain quickly when running games like fortnite my PC has 100% CPU usage and under 10 % GPU usage and Gpu temp is 70-80 while running, my parts are a gtx 1660 ti and a 9th gen i9. Please help 🙏

[wraith sonnet]

it was the Xidax Xm3 but it's not sold anymore

Here we go again

[manic torrent]

My son says hi btw 🙂

[wraith sonnet]

hello bobson

[manic torrent]

I left my keyboard and mouse turned on on the couch and he decided it was his turn!

[wraith sonnet]

ah

[manic torrent]

;dg dfg .h n.fg ngh gh;gh.jh gn

like that 🙂

[wraith sonnet]

what switches does bobson prefer?

[lilac sage]

the coolest sounding one

[wraith sonnet]

so blues

[lilac sage]

Catastrophically buckling compression column switches

[wraith sonnet]

or greens

[lilac sage]

but in all caps

[manic torrent]

brown

[full fossil]

How does legion 5 pro gen6 (5800h/3060/16gb/?storage) for CAD$1200? Apparently barely used well taken care of.

[manic torrent]

I do have a ,odel M

[dreamy rose]

well thats what you'd ask for ngl.

[wispy marsh]

with 3000 and 6000 transients?

They must've got a pretty good team of customer support

[dreamy rose]

you spec them out yourself

[wispy marsh]

Nope.

Loads of pick-and-choose and that's what the average person does

[dreamy rose]

oh you are talking RTS systems

[wispy marsh]

rts?

[dreamy rose]

Ready To Ship, premade stuff

[wispy marsh]

I have complaints of aftershock laptops being terrible and retails stuff being highly priced

yeah, ready to ship is a majority of their sales

They're not on newegg's level or dell's level, that is an award i can give them

[dreamy rose]

thats just because people think they are too dumb to pick out a System.

[wispy marsh]

^_^

[dreamy rose]

also idk if you are talking about Aftershock in Australia. but yeah. its been fine for my friend

[wispy marsh]

sh

sg

[dreamy rose]

singapore?

[graceful burrow]

🇸🇬

[half summit]

Alright

[wispy marsh]

Marcille

[languid dagger]

How is a Corsair K55 Pro keyboard?

[wispy marsh]

Build one yourself

[dreamy rose]

dude, is it 10 years ago? Nyandows Nyanty Five? XD

[languid dagger]

?

Thats my Icon of Choice

Just Nyandows

[tacit tundra]

Good features and good if you aren't obsessed with switches

Possibly overpriced

[languid dagger]

I found it on Amazon at 48€ from 70€ so considering my 5 YO KB is giving me issues typing and gaming i was in quite a need, while keeping a budget considering my pc is also 7 yo and need a radical upgrade

I just jumped on the offer

ofc i would have liked something with like brown switches, silent with a tactile feedback but the feedbacks on this kb were quite good sooo

[tacit tundra]

Oh if you've tested the feedback and are pleased enough then feature wise it's a fine thing

[scenic thorn]

haayoo everyone

[languid dagger]

Haven't received it yet, but the reviews (not feedback as i said before sorry ) are good

[tacit tundra]

Oh gotcha yeah the k55 is not a mech keyboard

So you're basically just paying for macro and limited rgb features

[ashen zodiac]

if you're ok with membrane then it's really good

i've had mine for like 5 years, it's still going strong and i love it

i personally dislike mech keyboards, so for me it's perfect

take what i say with a bit of salt though cuz my favourite keyboard is my MacBook's keyboard so...

i have weird preferences

[languid dagger]

I love the tactile feedback of mechanical KB yet i'd love a silent one, but a decent one are all very expensive, then by scrolling on amazon i found this one that says is a "hybrid" and some reviews confirm it has a tactive and responsiveness of a mechanical with the silence of a membrane so i'd check it out, worst it can happen i send it back

[ashen zodiac]

i do really like the typing experience, i like it a lot more than most mechs, but again, i'm weird

[languid dagger]

I have tried using some apple products for work but i really think they are kinda hard to use and dislike them. Semper fidelis at my Android and Windows OSs devices.

[ashen zodiac]

i switched to macOS fully almost 5 years ago, best choice i've ever made. compared to Windows 10 at the time it was so much better, and now with the trainwreck that is Windows 11 i'm glad i made this move a while ago

i do have a Windows pc for gaming, but that's all that it's used for

currently i'm on one of my old Mac's

[languid dagger]

I wouldn't use Windows 11 either its full of problems, yet i find navigating through files and installing apps etch easier on windows

[ashen zodiac]

i suppose, i have all the keyboard shortcuts for Finder etc memorised... i also have Homebrew installed on my Mac so i can install apps via terminal just like you can on linux

[mystic ivy]

Why's Linus trending on Twitter

[limpid fern]

Cuz hes awesome

[stark meadow]

Ima guess his latest video

[upbeat ridge]

my flex is that youtube defaults to 4K whenever available

[stark meadow]

I wish that were me

I have prem and it still autos to 480

Luke said you can teach it on Wan show iirc but I've been doing that for months and no results

[fervent prairie]

You probably don't have a 4k screen anywhere that's just a waste of bandwidth

[upbeat ridge]

yeah my laptop screen is claimed to be "2.2K"

[stark meadow]

1.i watch YouTube on a 4k TV alot of the time
2.even if I dont, always getting auto 480p sucks so I will still complain

[upbeat ridge]

(16:10 display)

[stark meadow]

Noice

[ashen zodiac]

16:10 is godly

[stark meadow]

Truee

[ashen zodiac]

i love MacBooks partly because they all have 16:10 display

[upbeat ridge]

indeed

[stark meadow]

I love macbooks because I hate windows

Would never buy a mac desktop but their laptops are great for me

[ashen zodiac]

i like desktop macOS too

[stark meadow]

Fair

I'd rather get a PC for desktop just because if there is a game I want to play that isn't on console I can run

And ofc so l can upgrade in the future

[ashen zodiac]

oh i have a windows desktop too

[upbeat ridge]

i was considering a macbook air but this was on sale, and it had more storage lmao

also facial recognition is quite nice

(Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 Pro)

[stark meadow]

Yeah one good thing missing from Mac

[stark meadow]

Nice

[manic torrent]

my laptop is 3.5k oled

[dreamy rose]

woulda had a better time on linux but hey, its not windows i guess

[unborn flare]

linux ftw

[dreamy rose]

Objective best OS of the 3. hell its being sold in low end systems to the masses under ChromeOS.

[unborn flare]

lel indeed but i like the other distros more since you get the power to modify and tweak your DE to your liking

[dreamy rose]

i mean ChromeOS just proves linux can be for everybody

everyone can use it.

[unborn flare]

ofc

[dreamy rose]

hopefully AMD Chromebooks pick up. then they have some Viability for gaming on Steam.

[unborn flare]

it's more or less about the learning curve tbh older people tend to stick to the OS they are more familiar with

[ashen zodiac]

i've been a linux user for 10 years, just not as main OS. trust me, i wouldn't have had a better time.

[unborn flare]

yea and with better rdna2 graphics on the laptop SKUs we might not even need dgpus for most games

[ashen zodiac]

better than Windows yes, but macOS? no

[dreamy rose]

you're Comparing Linux to MacOS, Not Windows

[ashen zodiac]

i am, because that's what you did.

[dreamy rose]

in what way is MacOS better than Linux?

[unborn flare]

same question

besides the apple tag and apple integration

[manic torrent]

@dreamy rose likes to have bad takes, it's kinda his thing

[ashen zodiac]

it's actually stable (yes i know servers bla bla, servers don't run unstable GUI's), app support, smooth animations, handy features like sorting files by tags in Finder....

[dreamy rose]

what MacOS does is limit your access to the system files, Stopping Customisation and it likes sorting files by Colors.

[unborn flare]

i haven't used mac OS so i actually don't know what advantages does it offer

[ashen zodiac]

i have an iPhone too, the integration is much better than the linux+android thing

[dreamy rose]

that explains it then. you got sucked into their Ecosystem.

[manic torrent]

saying "linux" doesn't really tell you much at all about anything though

[ashen zodiac]

sorting files by color is useful, you can access system files if you disable SIP (1 command in terminal), i don't want customization because macOS is already good stock

[unborn flare]

oh lets narrow it down

[manic torrent]

Most people just.. use their computer

[dreamy rose]

please, MacOS is bloody ugly. it looks like Windows Vista had a Freak lovechild with GNOME 43.

[manic torrent]

I have had windows, macos, and linux laptops. meh. I will use whatever

[unborn flare]

app support is very good on arch and ubuntu based systems also the community applications give fetaures that improve the overall performance also about the animations, have you used KDE ?

[ashen zodiac]

i'm sorry what have you been smoking?

[unborn flare]

i won't say it looks ugly but yea it does indeed resemble gnome 43

[ashen zodiac]

office software with good compatibility with Office? good video editor? a DAW? all these things are on macOS, and no less included for free.

and yes i have used KDE, i hate it. constant crashing on wayland and Xorg is stone-age tech

[ashen zodiac]

which means GNOME 43 ripped macOS off, since the Aqua interface macOS uses has been here since 2001

[dreamy rose]

need i remind you that MacOS only was in Black and white for quite a while after it came out. on hardware significantly less capable than is competition for over 2 times the price. hell its Competitor ran MacOS better than a Macintosh with only a few limitations retaining to Floppy Disks. why it still Exists today is beyond me. they should never have sold so many of them.

[unborn flare]

no the gnome interface is very old gnome 43 just looks closest to what mac os looks like

[ashen zodiac]

Apple was the first one with 16 colors, and full colors, your info is wrong. the hardware especially in the powerpc days ran circles around AMD and Intel

[ashen zodiac]

GNOME 3 was 2010's, older GNOME does not resemble macOS at all

[unborn flare]

check out gnome 2

[ashen zodiac]

i'm aware of it, it looks nothing like OSX of the day

[stable snow]

Does the lian li lancool 215 case support 280mm radiators right?
Amd it supports ATX motherboards

[unborn flare]

#tech-chat-1

[stable snow]

Oops

[dreamy rose]

how am i wrong when the Amiga was faster and Capable of Way better Graphics and costed only 1000 and 700 dollars at launch depending on if you bough the 1000 or 500 system. it was Objectively a better Computer. and what MacOS color came in the Early 90's? that's a Joke! the IIGS had Color! that was 1986.

[ashen zodiac]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II_graphics

you're just wrong

[languid dagger]

I received it 30min ago, i'm currently testing it and oh god its indeed more like membrane, the buttons might be a little hard to press, but it feels very good, nice tactile feedback and its quite silent, as much as a membrane KB

[ashen zodiac]

[languid dagger]

For now i can say its money well spent

[dreamy rose]

1990 isn't 1985. that's a whole 5 years behind the Competition.

[unborn flare]

idk if you have used the new libre office but except for some microsoft only things like integrations with cloud and stuff it can do nearly everything

[ashen zodiac]

1987, and the apple 2 was a lot earlier

[ashen zodiac]

Except open complex .docx files without corrupting them

[woeful minnow]

Ok Microsoft Office online

[ashen zodiac]

Feature limited, and not free to use iirc

[woeful minnow]

It's free

[dreamy rose]

also. the event for the launch of the Macintosh was a total Sham. they redid the SAM Software that was on the C64 and made it sound impossible to do on other platforms. which was simply not true because the C64 was 8 Bit.

[ashen zodiac]

Arguing with Linux people is like talking to a wall, my god

[ashen zodiac]

And that’s an argument because?

[woeful minnow]

Nah bionic is just an annoying person

[ashen zodiac]

[woeful minnow]

But also yes basic functionality like making a text box isn't available

[ashen zodiac]

Can you open local files or is it still onedrive only?

[dreamy rose]

because that's the lie that got them to sell so many units of this shit Computer, in which that Legacy continues today.

[woeful minnow]

Honestly not sure I use onedrive

[ashen zodiac]

It had 512k ram, which was A LOT in 1984

[ashen zodiac]

On Linux? How?

[unborn flare]

haven't encountered such a problem myself but what do you mean exactly by complex .docx files ? haven't seen a complex docx files in many office databases

[woeful minnow]

Third party client

[ashen zodiac]

I’ve seen Libre completely mess up stuff like the Cisco packet tracer documentation due to all the graphics in those documents

[ashen zodiac]

[dreamy rose]

that was Top Spec dude. people could only afford the 128K. that one was just an Awful experience

[ashen zodiac]

I’m not a dude, and 128K was plenty back then

[dreamy rose]

not when it was Fabricating a whole Desktop because they cheaped out and put only a 68K and RAM on a Board and called it a Computer.

[ashen zodiac]

That’s not true, and you know it

[dreamy rose]

Proof?

[dreamy rose]

i call everyone Dude.

[ashen zodiac]

It had graphics, audio, serial, ram expansion

[dreamy rose]

Fabricated in software by the 68K. Notice there's no Graphics card not Sound Card?

[ashen zodiac]

And?

[dreamy rose]

no Chips either

[ashen zodiac]

And?

[dreamy rose]

you're Wrong in saying that it's not a 68K on a Board with some RAM and a floppy drive.

[ashen zodiac]

i'm not

[dreamy rose]

there was really nothing Remarkable about this Computer.

[ashen zodiac]

there's a video chip

[unborn flare]

bruh we were discussing the advantages of mac OS

[dreamy rose]

only thing close to that was that people actually bought if for 2.6 THOUSAND DOLLARS

[unborn flare]

idgaf what apple does to its consumers

[ashen zodiac]

i'm still right, the more angry bionic gets the more fun i'm having

[dreamy rose]

THIS IS 1984! thats 6500 Today!

[unborn flare]

well i get it

[ashen zodiac]

computers were expensive back then

[dreamy rose]

not this expensive for this little hardware.

[unborn flare]

mr bob sitting and watching the chat with some popcorn

[ashen zodiac]

the software also played a part. this was YEARS before Microsft had a GUI interface

[ashen zodiac]

[dreamy rose]

reminder of the Amiga 1000 that came out only a year later AND came at the price of 1000 dollars.

[night ermine]

1300

[ashen zodiac]

1 year back then was like 10 years now in terms of tech.

also, the Mac supported more ram

[dreamy rose]

Still wasn't 1600 for Something that was Sluggish as hell and awful to use

[night ermine]

I mean at that time the 1000 wasn't that revolutionary because, y'know, it wasn't the time for it lol

[mighty grotto]

PC-98 had the software unlike all the western computers, this kiddy war is silly

[dreamy rose]

you're saying that only because the Amiga had its own Chipset going on and destroyed what Apple did. and you know they very well could have made the price just but never did out of greed.

[ashen zodiac]

as far as i know commodore went bust, and Apple is the biggest tech company on earth. they did something right no?

[dreamy rose]

we are talking 1985, not 1995.

[night ermine]

So am I

[dreamy rose]

they scammed their customers and luckly enough weren't stuck with shitty Management.

[ashen zodiac]

how did they scam customers?

[dreamy rose]

and they are also really lucky they Fined Microsoft

[night ermine]

I wonder just why a private company would have high prices in the absence of such competition 🤔

[dreamy rose]

isn't it Apparent with the Macintosh?

[ashen zodiac]

no, every point you raised so far i've smacked down with proof

[night ermine]

Scamming is when you release an inferior product before someone else releases a superior product

That's not scamming, that's just shareholder culture

[dreamy rose]

By proof you mean wrong resources then sure. there was no GPU or Sound card. it was Entirely software.

[mighty grotto]

uh

early graphics adaptors did hardly any accelerating at all

[ashen zodiac]

the apple 2 computer was capable of using plug in sound cards

the apple 2 released in 1977, good luck arguing this one lol

[dreamy rose]

Exactly what happened. but it wen further and raised the price immensely. to the point it made no logical sense to buy it

[dreamy rose]

when did the Macintosh become the Apple 2? yes the Apple 2 was on par, but it was killed off after the Superior IIGS was discontinued.

[ashen zodiac]

the 128K Mac didn't use software for sound as you claim

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_128K/512K_technical_details#Sound

good luck arguing again

[dreamy rose]

the Product was inferior regardless of what trickery they tried.

[ashen zodiac]

again, why

you haven't raised any points i haven't been able to debunk

[dreamy rose]

look at the thing, then look at what Sound and Graphics the Amiga and PC could make. then tell me if you'd think 2600 dollars was an ok price for such a Machine.

[mighty grotto]

the PC?`??

[ashen zodiac]

the PC is worse

[ashen zodiac]

the Amiga was a bit better, but not much

the Amiga also had a slower CPU

[mighty grotto]

they didn't even have commander keen until 1990

[dreamy rose]

the Fricking IBM PC, the one from Big blue that sparked our Windows environments of Today. hundreds of clones of the IBM PC later you have the Dominant platform.

[mighty grotto]

the office machine that should never have won yeah

[dreamy rose]

it did much more. so what if it was clocked a tad slower?

[mighty grotto]

but mediocrity always wins

[ashen zodiac]

so what? because that makes it worse? lol

[unborn flare]

btw bionic do you use twitter?

[dreamy rose]

that much is true when you put it the way of the IBM Winning. if it was the Macintosh that couldn't be any further from the truth.

[dreamy rose]

Fuck no. Twitter can die in a Hole

[ashen zodiac]

ah yes that's why the IBM was used for spreadsheets and anyone who needed to do anything remotely heavy used other systems

aka Tandy, Mac, etc

[unborn flare]

that was unexpected

[dreamy rose]

Also. do not Dog on the Paula, that shit was Amazing. get some .MOD Music in ya soul.

[ashen zodiac]

it had a sound chip, so what? the Mac was clocked higher

[dreamy rose]

Paula made better sound, Graphics were Color and the OS was Usable. truly a winner in the hearts of mid 80s Kids and Teenagers alike. 16 Bit gaming machine that they could trick their parents into buying because they could use it too.

the same year the Very NES Came to the US Market.

[ashen zodiac]

ah yes because the amiga totally had more games on it, defo

[white fractal]

It was cool, until you used workbench for a while; it was pretty meh and buggy at the time.

[dreamy rose]

better than how slow and awful System 1 was. for the price it was an Insult. rightfully deserved because users fell for it.

[white fractal]

Having used all three systems discussed quite a bit as a kid, the amiga 500 was by far the biggest let down for me

[dreamy rose]

but then that leads us to today where MacOS has Upgraded to the Status of Mediocre.

[ashen zodiac]

of course, that's why it's a household name among professionals

[dreamy rose]

i still maintain that it is a Mediocre Operating system.

wheres the Customizability of even Windows. where the fuck is a Second click button? a KEY ON THE KEYBOARD?

[ashen zodiac]

Mac's have right click

[dreamy rose]

think of the Locked down fleets in Schools, as Uncommon as that is.

[dreamy rose]

yeah as in you need to press a Key or have a Non Apple Peripheral to do so.

[unborn flare]

dualboot windows and linux KDE >>> Mac OS /j

[dreamy rose]

i know how MacOS works. it is NOT Good.

[rain grove]

Is it fine to open a chat in tech support even over minor small things such as making sure im not going insane looking at a MB manual?

[dreamy rose]

Mutahar's Bi-Billy build?

[unborn flare]

yessir pretty much

[dreamy rose]

Replace MacOS with functional BSD and you got the real Bi Billy

[white fractal]

Of windows, OS x and Linux(insert various different DEs here), the least buggy, least annoying OS I have used is OS X. It sure isn’t the best in all cases (such as at the moment for embedded firmware dev for me), but no OS is the “best” at all things atm anyways

[ashen zodiac]

The apple mouse has right click

[dreamy rose]

not a Macbook though

[ashen zodiac]

The MacBook trackpad has right click, enabled by default too

[dreamy rose]

Still gotta go into settings and add it.

[ashen zodiac]

You just have to press in the bottom right corner

[ashen zodiac]

Nope

[dreamy rose]

not from when i used one.

[ashen zodiac]

User error

[white fractal]

Also, who the fuck uses an OS because of the OS itself? Nobody (except linux users!). Almost everyone picks an OS because of what applications they want to run.

[dreamy rose]

well. simply not

[ashen zodiac]

Simply yes

[unborn flare]

Idk about linux being buggy haven't really used the buggy stuff ig but I agree with every os having its advantages

[dreamy rose]

linux is buggy at times but its certainly better than both.

[graceful jackal]

im gonna say something that will make a person mad probably.
i like windows 11. it is actually good not gonna lie

[white fractal]

It isn’t buggy like windows it; there are loads of software I have had to manually compile/install and that can be a frustrating experience

[dreamy rose]

Cool. we have a Raccoon in the chat.

[night heron]

13th gen intel benchmark reviews launch very very soon

[white fractal]

Especially with deps that aren’t available via the various package managers

[night heron]

hardwareunboxed is live streaming some fortnite until they drop

[graceful jackal]

well am i wrong. it is a good os

[ashen zodiac]

I too love when the entire xorg server crashes when I plug in a second display

[unborn flare]

I mean there are distros specifically made to reduce the hassle POP OS is one of them but fair point ig

[night heron]

wayland

[ashen zodiac]

Screen recording

[graceful jackal]

idk i kinda like the animation

[dreamy rose]

Pop OS is. its okay it should just ditch the Dock in the new DE though. and be lighter on the hardware

[graceful jackal]

win 11 animation is good honestly

[night heron]

i haven’t tried 11

i use windows 10 enterprise ltsc iot 21h2

[graceful jackal]

i used to use that for my office laptop

[dreamy rose]

Sure, its just 10 with more bloatware, whats the worst that could happen.

[unborn flare]

Howdy michael

[mighty grotto]

windows 11 is cool

[dreamy rose]

ooooh right. Minimum Spec.

[night heron]

if a windows 11 ltsc releases then i’ll install that

[mighty grotto]

the built-in android emulator is neat

[night heron]

but if not then i’ll stay on w10 ltsc