public-chat

[slim yacht]

crossfire wasnt that good either

[serene stone]

guess we go 5 series then, they might pump that raster super high.

[slim yacht]

only quadro and A cards was actually able to leverage memory sharing with nvlink

[dreamy rose]

Crossfire had a Based name

[granite tinsel]

also i'm gonna call it here

lovelace is an architectural name that will go down in infamy, alongside the likes of rocket lake and bulldozer

[dreamy rose]

Fermi!

[granite tinsel]

and fermi too fuck i forgot about fermi

[dreamy rose]

i'm on Fermi.

i hate it here.

we have a Fermi 2.0 Here i guess?

[granite tinsel]

Fermi Momento Numero Dos

[dreamy rose]

DOS? Shut up about DOS 4.0

IBM Screwed that one over big time

XD

DOS 4.0 Strikes a Bionic nerve

[tribal compass]

Twitch bans gambling meanwhile girls are basically naked in all types of ways

Twitch is an absolute woke joke

[manic torrent]

using woke as a pejorative in 2022? oof. That's a paddlin'

[dreamy rose]

Twitch is Dumb, we move on

[granite tinsel]

i'm seeing people dragging nvidia on twitter too LMAO

they really did just torpedo all of their goodwill in the span of 12 hours

[red breach]

nvidia, goodwill?

[tribal compass]

I agree woke was not the right word but I wanted to make it rhyme :liottalol:

[granite tinsel]

fair enough lmao

[tribal compass]

I’m so excited guys I’m at 91% on my steam deck preorder

[full fossil]

This is a stick up, put your hands in the air and lower your blaster

[manic torrent]

It's starting to come together again!

[tribal compass]

I absolutely love your setup

[past egret]

wait till you seen the chinese rich kids setup

[tribal compass]

I need more than one monitor but I can’t justify spending money on another fiber optic hdmi, luckily I got my first one open box on eBay from an older fellow who had a projector setup

Moved my pc to the basement because my room is like 8x8 and a 3080ti playing at 4k outputs major heat

[manic torrent]

I'm waiting on a new arm for the 48" to move it over, so the other monitor doesn't block the speaker and it all sits a bit better

And also going to fix up all the LEDs and get them configured properly

[full fossil]

guys c10h15n

[golden lily]

Yo new RTX 4080 & 4090 models are looking fire.

[dreamy rose]

sure, if you're talking about your Wallet after you get one

[golden lily]

There not that expensive compared to what I thought they would cost.

[dreamy rose]

not that expensive? try Again.

[golden lily]

I thought they would cost like $4k AUD but they only cost $2k.

^4080.

[dusty rune]

yeah, pretty hot

[dreamy rose]

they still cost 2000 AUD.

[static stag]

That wouldn't surprise me. it's 76.3b transistors at 5nm, 608mm die size, 450mm on the 4080. Larger than the old 30 series cards but on a far more expensive process. Yields must be low and costs must be high.

[golden lily]

I guess it might be overpriced but still, I remember when a 3090 would cost a like 4k.

[serene stone]

just realized game developers have to build for DLSS 3.0 separately than prior DLSS. Unless the devs are being paid extra to do that, I can see them not liking it.

[granite tinsel]

especially when they're exclusive to three fucking models of GPU that start at $900

[serene stone]

ya lol

[granite tinsel]

it's a shame for me to say this because DLSS 3.0 is unironically quite interesting and could be a game-changer

[golden lily]

I would hate to be working for rockstar right now.

[granite tinsel]

but with how things are set up DLSS 3 might be DOA

[dreamy rose]

i mean coming out of that it sounds Spoilt to complain but its what er try to fuckin stop.

[serene stone]

but I hear it's hardware limited so not much they can even do if they wanted to, just put themselves in a corner.

[granite tinsel]

go figure

once again nvidia's insistence on proprietary hardware ends up backfiring

[golden lily]

Poor GTA6.

[serene stone]

Rockstar and all the big companies are just going to get paid by Nvidia, so they should be fine. It's the indie companies that lose out.

and the consumer too because those indie games won't have DLSS 3.0 for consumers to use their 4x series cards on.

[granite tinsel]

the main reason why i felt comfortable picking AMD over nvidia last year was because virtually none of the games i played supported DLSS anyway

[static stag]

$1599 USD straight to AUD is just shy of $2400, don't they usually have a higher cost than just a straight conversion though?

[serene stone]

I mean, u talking older games? Because isn't FSR not around much also?

[granite tinsel]

so i figured that in a battle between the 6800XT and the 3080 where the 6800XT wins in 1440p raster, that'd give me a better experience for my needs

i mean i bought it before FSR was a thing

[serene stone]

ah k

yeah I might go AMD this time

[granite tinsel]

but yeah i don't necessarily play all the latest

i recommend it; there is no way AMD is going to fuck this up

[golden lily]

Im just basing it off of the Nvidia website.

[serene stone]

i mean, i guess if AMD doesn't have high production costs, they can price it way better - otherwise, expect the same.

[static stag]

Nvidia adds things to games in a black box and will help devs implement it so it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case here.

[past egret]

theyre already selling christmas decorations?

[serene stone]

If AMD outperforms Nvidia in pure raster, they can price roughly the same really.

[granite tinsel]

they don't; they're going multi-die which means better yields

[static stag]

Starting at AUD 2,959

[dreamy rose]

the RTX injector Thing sounds cool

[static stag]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-au/geforce/graphics-cards/40-series/rtx-4090/

[serene stone]

When is AMD announcement? Late Oct?

[granite tinsel]

November 3

[serene stone]

k

[static stag]

RTX 4080 (12GB) Starting at AUD 1,659```

[granite tinsel]

and yeah that's the genius of AMD's strategy

[static stag]

the 12gb is basically a 4070 tho lol

[granite tinsel]

it seems they predicted nvidia would do this and reacted accordingly; their plan is to prioritize performance per watt and cost-efficiency through the multi-die design

[golden lily]

There is a 4070?

[granite tinsel]

no but the 4080 12GB may as well be the 4070

[static stag]

No but the 4080 16gb has 9728 cuda cores vs the 12gb with only 7680

[mild bloom]

2.2k!?

bro what💀

[static stag]

Probably FE prices too lol

[past egret]

does AMD use TSMCs die as well?

[granite tinsel]

not to mention... nvidia got a head start in RT with the 20 series and you saw how that went for them

so this means AMD will get a head start in multi-die

[mild bloom]

thats insane

[granite tinsel]

yes, TSMC 5nm

apparently certain chiplets for less important tasks will be on 7nm however

[past egret]

tight

[serene stone]

so 5x series will be multi die and huge performance? Nvidia returns big time with it? lol

[dreamy rose]

GTA 4 RTX Anyone?

[granite tinsel]

which again further compounds the genius of RDNA 3's design

[manic torrent]

I was just watching MLID and yeah, current NVIDIA gen is basically performance over cost and power. AMD is far better balanced, so should be much better from a per watt and per dollar perspective

[granite tinsel]

why foist higher production costs and lower yields onto less important transistors that don't need it?

[static stag]

Yea but if AMD is going chiplets they can have lower fab costs and lower bad silicon rates

[dreamy rose]

RTX would totally rock in GTA 4

[past egret]

love to see how taiwan is still supplying every electronic out there

[granite tinsel]

i'm so fuckin excited for RDNA 3 now man

[manic torrent]

... not really

[serene stone]

for sure. It seems to be last gen was a big DLSS 2.0 RTX marketing thing, and it's more of the same here with 3.0. RTX performance will go to Nvidia again. But I think AMD has their own implementation of RTX and is closing the gap.

[full fossil]

Well need help how to use KISSlicer?

[granite tinsel]

i don't think i'll buy in because i'm happy with my 6800XT--the only thing that'd convince me is if they had something that could run games at 4K 144 native

[full fossil]

Hi @manic torrent !

[granite tinsel]

and i doubt we've quite reached that point yet

[past egret]

almost*

[manic torrent]

I have a 6600xt egpu and it's great. I think I will pick up a cheap second hand something else to go in my other eGPU

[manic torrent]

Of the high end stuff, sure, but the vast bulk of electronics don't need that.

[manic torrent]

What is up

[mild bloom]

is nvidia planning to release another 1630 / low end gpu or is it only the 40series now

[full fossil]

Doin fine! you?

[granite tinsel]

seems they're holding onto the 30 series as the lower end while the 40 series occupies the enthusiast-tier stuff

the 3060 is still MSRPing for $330 though 💀

[manic torrent]

The 1630 is ewaste

[serene stone]

oh sept 27th, we get the info on next gen CPUs.

read some great things about this year's lineup

[manic torrent]

Awesome. Four day weekend. And if you look up my setup update is coming together.

[mild bloom]

what was even their marketing strat with the 1630

[serene stone]

https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/12/23348620/intel-13th-gen-cpus-raptor-lake-6ghz-stock-8ghz-overclocked

[full fossil]

no, but meant for Security Cameras. Remember CPU based AI and Image processing with GPU?

[full fossil]

Nice. Good news for me to. Started INR 10000/month internship.

Also, need help with KISSlicer

[manic torrent]

I am using a P400 for cameras, AI and decoding. The 1630 is so cute down it would suck

[manic torrent]

It's a card to buy when you need a display output

[full fossil]

What you doing? making AI?

I guess they will implement already done models.

[manic torrent]

Detecting magpies in the street 😄

[mild bloom]

but its still quite expensive, and for that price, there are far better options out there

[manic torrent]

Yes, but that is what it is for. As I said, ewaste.

[valid siren]

also the 1630 costs more than the 1650 and the 6500XT, rendering it immediately irrelevant
Just get a used 1660 super 5head.

[full fossil]

what will be equivalent of 1630?

[valid siren]

a 1050ti

[red breach]

6600 > 1660S

[manic torrent]

A punch in the head

[valid siren]

Between an rx 560 and an rx 570

[full fossil]

rehash?

[red breach]

1630 is closer to 750ti than 1050ti or even 1050 in real world gaming

[valid siren]

No, it's a neutered GTX 1650 which means its performance will be closer to a 1050

[full fossil]

well they and we got some DNA in commen

[valid siren]

Also friendly reminder that the rx 580 is a card that goes for under $100 used and will play any modern game out right now.

[static stag]

Maybe the 1630 will be the new 730 eventually lol

[red breach]

rx580 is very similar to the xbox one x, it's no slouch

[full fossil]

how about this is lie, Nvidia themselves lied to us regarding shortages of memory, but also got double back with slamming lots of chips on lower ends.

[static stag]

What are you running to analyze the data?

I've heard of a few different options and I know a lot of people are picking up google corals for it

[manic torrent]

frigate using tf on nvidia

corals are still hard to get but were unobtainable for ages

[static stag]

Thought about setting up frigate but haven't really looked at how involved it was. Did a bit of looking and it seems like it's still the best option.

[manic torrent]

plus I already had the P400

[dreamy rose]

no

[manic torrent]

https://github.com/blakeblackshear/frigate/discussions/3016

[dreamy rose]

its worse

[slim yacht]

1050ti definitely
theyre practically same performing card

[dreamy rose]

1630 is a little worse

[slim yacht]

not really

theyre literally the same thing

[dreamy rose]

really? Numbers tell me otherwise

[slim yacht]

numbers also told me its the same performing card

[scarlet flame]

id have my first pc overheating crash rip

I have to run aircon or it goes bye bye

[dreamy rose]

whos numbers?

[slim yacht]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eoNIBOr648&t=290s

[dreamy rose]

that doesn't give me Sythetic Benchmark numbers to compare.

[full fossil]

should have just rehashed that small missile. could have been better

[dreamy rose]

look here https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-GeForce-GTX-1630

[full fossil]

how to use ultraVNC?

[slim yacht]

bro they dont even have any gaming data to compare

how am i supposed to know how much itll do in games?

[dreamy rose]

you didn't look hard enough

[slim yacht]

they dont even have average fps count for 1630

what am i supposed to look at here? passmark?

[dreamy rose]

🤦‍♂️ look under the part where you can select the game you want. it says, Framerate. and it tells you the Framarate

and it tells you settings preset

and Res

[slim yacht]

i still dont know how this is more reliable than a gameplay itself

[dreamy rose]

how can you be sure that card in that video isn't OCed slightly

because these numbers here make 100% damn sense for Binned 1650s.

[slim yacht]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0yo2Sc-DyI - this is hardware unboxed benchmarked
https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-RTX-3070-vs-Radeon-RX-6700-XT - this is technical city ones

seems to me the numbers between this dont tally at all

some differences with one card to another are really big

while one in the video suggest otherwise

[dreamy rose]

I still maintain that it makes zero sense for them to match a 1050 Ti.

[slim yacht]

it makes more than much sense considering its a much newer card
1050ti was about more than 5 years ago

1630 is like 3

[dreamy rose]

And Binned at that

Has no reason to perform like a 1050Ti

[slim yacht]

650m also has no reason to perform like 1050ti and yet it does lol

im not sure how exactly one card make sense to you but ill leave it at that

[dreamy rose]

Radeon 680M does make sense performing like a 1050, because it is 5 years newer and runs upon RDNA 2.

[slim yacht]

1630 is also under entirely newer board and architecture

[static stag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eoNIBOr648 shows it's slightly faster and slightly slower depending on the game

[dreamy rose]

Not true, they are binned 1650s.

[slim yacht]

i rest my case lol

[dreamy rose]

The 1650 is as you said, an older card by now.

[static stag]

used 1050 ti is probably the better option, should be cheap lol

[tired glade]

Oh,mass media is pretty positive about 4090, interesting

[slim yacht]

basically concluded that its basically the same card with some lower and some higher

would probably pick 1630 for much lower power consumption tho

[dreamy rose]

Totally not because Nvidia is a shameless bully who refuses to work with people who speak the truth about their products.

Thats tooootally not who they are

[tired glade]

We will see in review if Nvidia has enough dip pockets

[slim yacht]

not enough to pay lmg to talk nice about them definitely

[dreamy rose]

You wouldn't be able to pay linus 10 billion dollars to make people buy a shitty card by painting a fake picture

[tired glade]

3090+12900ks power consumption video came almost 6 months after 12900ks release and in context against Mac

[slim yacht]

400++w ooooofffffff

goodluck cooling intel chips ill just end it at that

[tired glade]

Nothing could cool it,that was point of video

[dreamy rose]

Have we mentioned how Mac has mostly never been a PC? For 3 eras now they haven't been

[slim yacht]

inb4 the guy who claimed 11900k is better than 10900k comes back

[tired glade]

X86 Vs Arm for same tasks

[dreamy rose]

Motorola, PowerPc and ARM. Only when they were intel systems were they actually a PC

[slim yacht]

pc is techncally anything that runs on windows os
mac has been more of a desktop computer

[static stag]

both are 75w cards though aren't they?

[dreamy rose]

No. PC is anything thats compatible with and able to run IBM PC Software.

[slim yacht]

i dont remember
i do remember my 1050ti needing power cable

[dreamy rose]

So yes, your X86 Linux Computer is still a PC.

[static stag]

The only thing Nvidia got right with the GeForce GTX 1630 may be the graphics card's power consumption. It has a 75W TDP, so the recommended power supply is a 300W unit. Some vendors have still added a single 6-pin PCIe power connector, which shouldn't be necessary.

1050 ti was the same afaik.

[tired glade]

Wait,why it just 75 and need 6pin?

[slim yacht]

perhaps. so basically a mac is a pc?
only one is running x86 and another runs arm

[slim yacht]

i dont know dude, mine was 6 pin

1650 is also 80w but also needed a 6 pin lmao

[tired glade]

Nvidia, really you could just made it PCI powered?

[dreamy rose]

Intel Macs, reluctantly are considered PCs. But nothing else. Not Motorola, not PowerPC, Not ARM.

[static stag]

Probably for headroom, if you wanna OC. Some cards that don't need it come with it for that, otherwise you get really limited.

[tired glade]

Can you os 210 or 1030?

[slim yacht]

technically any card under 100w by nvidia is locked right out of gate anyway except if you can buy FE

[static stag]

geforce-gtx-1630-makes-the-rx-6400-look-good goddamn

[tired glade]

Yep

We still need 1030 class gpu replacement

[dreamy rose]

Wasn't the 1630 supposed to replace the 1030?

[tired glade]

It's has 6pin, so no

1030 still better for plug and test

[woeful minnow]

wut

the 1650 doesnt need a 6 pin, why would the 1630

[slim yacht]

but they do have 6 pin
thats the funny part

[tired glade]

Because Nvidia

[woeful minnow]

there are models without 6 pin connectors

[slim yacht]

correct, most of them actually

and then some added 6 pin for whatever reason

[woeful minnow]

because more power = more performance

[dreamy rose]

This being said.. an Amiga will run MacOS System 1. But the Macintosh 128K will not run Amiga Workbench.

The reason why is funny.

Why? BECAUSE THE MAC IS ONLY RUNNING OFF OF THE 68000! thats all it is.

[manic torrent]

uhhhhhh. PC is personal computer. Apples are a personal computer, it's not a magical gatekept thing.

Personal computers used to be all kinds of things.

[dreamy rose]

A PC has always been classed as an IBM Compatible system.

[manic torrent]

It absolutely has not, that's pure garbage

[dreamy rose]

PC just became an Umbrella term for computers

Why? Because they made it big and became the Default.

So no. Its not Pure Garbage. Its the truth.

[manic torrent]

yeah... it is

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/personal_computer#:~:text=The term personal computer originally,electronic games or controlling equipment.

From the launch of IBM's PC in the early 1980s the term often was used to imply an IBM PC or at least a computer highly compatible with that design

It was 'personal' as opposed to a time share multi user system.

[dreamy rose]

Its become a Term to Describe an IBM PC compatible System.

Therefore it makes sense that that is a Base definition.

[manic torrent]

key word: always.

[dreamy rose]

Its just been Accepted to be an Umbrella term for a Computer.

[manic torrent]

It is an outdated term that doesn't have a lot of meaning in 2022.

and as you said - any kind of computer can be a "PC"

[dreamy rose]

Well it does now since we are talking about PC.

[manic torrent]

you can shove a raspberry pi in a box and call it a PC

you can use samsung dex and "turn your phone into a fully fledged PC"

[dreamy rose]

As long as it will work with software on an IBM Compatible. Like every windows and DOS system has been

[manic torrent]

nope.

[dreamy rose]

An ARM device does not.

A 68K Device does not

A PowerPC Device does not.

[manic torrent]

sigh

[dreamy rose]

An x86 Device. Does.

[full fossil]

hi

[spiral kraken]

man how hard is it to understand the term personal computer

[manic torrent]

I wish you well in your desire to tightly define and control language that has long, long, long since lost any specificity.

[spiral kraken]

wtf

[manic torrent]

Actual technical terms? absolutely need strong definitions. Words that people use every day? Those terms will ebb and flow and change and adapt, and there's nothing at all you can do about it.

[full fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/its-actually-super-simple-ignace-aleya-super-easy-straightforward-not-hard-at-all-gif-19882856

[dreamy rose]

Well there you go, you've figured it out. The common term means a Computer and the Technical term means an IBM Compatible Computer.

[manic torrent]

.... except it was never EXCLUSIVELY that in a technical sense.

First line of Macintosh on wikipedia:
The Mac, historically known as Macintosh,[1] is a family of personal computers designed, manufactured, and sold by Apple Inc. (originally as Apple Computer, Inc.) since 1984.

I was there. You're retconning history

[dreamy rose]

Its called the IBM PC for a Reason.

[manic torrent]

It seems evidence isn't enough to convince you, so I guess this is somehow your religion?

[dreamy rose]

No, its just seems you've forgotten that Wikipedia is written in Past tense. Looking back. Simplifying it for the modern times too

[manic torrent]

dude, I WAS THERE.

I am 41, my first computer was a Z80.

also this is not controversial

literally everything I have posted supports my argument.

[dreamy rose]

Doesnt change the fact that its NOT a PC unless its IBM Compatible. Its an IBM PC. it is THE PC.

[manic torrent]

Is it possible that you have autism.

[dreamy rose]

So we gotta go down this path now?

[manic torrent]

oh, I don't mean it as a pejorative

[dreamy rose]

All because you're wrong?

[manic torrent]

Cognitive rigidity in autism is very common

I mean, again, I've posted several sources that support my argument, and your argument is "nuh uh I said it first"

[static stag]

bro

https://www.britannica.com/technology/personal-computer

A small firm named MITS made the first personal computer, the Altair. This computer, which used Intel Corporation’s 8080 microprocessor, was developed in 1974.

IBM did not enter the new market until 1981

personal computer (PC), a digital computer designed for use by only one person at a time.

[dreamy rose]

This Disproves everything you've thrown through listing the IBM PC as, The IBM, PC.

[static stag]

........ So you're incapable of reading.

The personal computer industry truly began in 1977, with the introduction of three preassembled mass-produced personal computers: the Apple Computer, Inc. (now Apple Inc.), Apple II, the Tandy Radio Shack TRS-80, and the Commodore Business Machines Personal Electronic Transactor (PET). All before the IBM PC.

[dreamy rose]

Tell you what. If a PC Compatible disc doesn't load up on your Macintosh 128, what is it?

[manic torrent]

it's 2022.

[dreamy rose]

Quit avoiding the point.

[manic torrent]

ah, indeed it's me avoiding the point

Because some companies/people chose to use "PC" to imply "IBM PC Compatible" that's all it can ever mean forevermore

why does that definition supercede the previous one? and the one in common use today?

Also, given the context at the time, it was clear what it meant.

[woeful minnow]

bro who cares its a personal computer, just means not apple since they own your computer

i mean uhhhhh

[dreamy rose]

So, as i was saying, it wont work. Therefore Logic will dictate that the Macintosh 128 is NOT a PC. And that software is FOR a PC.

[manic torrent]

Are you the mother from the incredibles?

[dreamy rose]

This is the exact same idea as putting an Xbox One CD into a PlayStation 3. It does nothing

Well wait, Xbox CDs do have some footage on them telling you they are not DVDs. Don't they?

[static stag]

https://cdn.pocket-lint.com/r/s/660x/assets/images/148775-laptops-news-the-most-iconic-computer-print-ads-of-all-time-image10-uec9dtqfp3-jpg.webp?v1

[manic torrent]

"In this weirdly specific scenario using items from 20+ years ago blah blah blah SEE POINT PROVEN"

[static stag]

Read the print. Apple Personal Computer

[manic torrent]

he is clearly not swayed by actual evidence. What you need is a high priest of... whatever the hell is going on here.

[dreamy rose]

It doesnt make it a PC.

[manic torrent]

so PC doesn't stand for Personal Computer?

[static stag]

"Apple calls their computer a Personal Computer AKA PC"

"Nope, not a PC"

lmao what

is this like "it depends on what the definition of is is"? lmao

[dreamy rose]

I can call you an idiot, but does that then make it true? No. Point made.

[manic torrent]

Boom. mic drop. You're a master debater on the level of ben shapiro.

[dreamy rose]

I can call a Jeep a Dump Truck. Thats not true is it?

[manic torrent]

You can get Jeep dump trucks.

[dreamy rose]

Maybe you can, but do you see them on people's Driveways or do you see a Wrangler?

[serene stone]

Apple is calling themselves something, not someone else something. They know themselves better than others. So your analogy would have to be "I am an adjective because I know myself better than others".

[static stag]

A PC is a Personal Computer, therefore Apple calling their Computer a PC makes it....

wait for it

a PERSONAL COMPUTER.

You seem to have mistaken "IBM Compatible PC" to somehow mean PC.

[manic torrent]

because SOME people/companies used it SOME of the time (mostly historically) it now means the same thing. Apparently.

[past egret]

why are we still having this argument

[dreamy rose]

Again, you're trying to loop the Conversation.

Thats not the mark of a Strong Argument isn't it?

[manic torrent]

The mark of a strong argument is having a heap of references, and being logically sound...

[dreamy rose]

I'm sure we don't need to go back to the common sense of "if it doesn't work at all, its not compatable, this it is not the thing it is designed for"

And, get this, it doesn't affect just Mac, Amiga and Atari ST gets to not be PCs either

[manic torrent]

That... is not the point at all.

[dreamy rose]

So then what is the point? It doesn't have to be compatible to be one?

[manic torrent]

Your issue about compatibility is based on the definition already being settled. Your issue is not one of compatibility, but one of definition.

[dreamy rose]

Sure, sure. I'll sell you my Xbox. Its a PS3 though. Sure it doesn't play Xbox games but its an Xbox!

[static stag]

No....

They are both GAME CONSOLES

[manic torrent]

Not to mention... they are actually x86 based. So by your absolutely bananas definition could be considered PCs

[violet wagon]

Good evening

[static stag]

It's not like anyone is saying a current apple silicon Macintosh is compatible with windows software

[dreamy rose]

I never said PS4. PS3 isn't X86.

[tired glade]

Is imagination chip x86?

Based on power pc

[manic torrent]

I have to say I respect your dedication to being very loudly wrong about things that are easily researched and not typically considered controversial.

[dreamy rose]

You see what i mean now? Its not Compatable. Same with any non intel Mac and a PC.

[dreamy rose]

Consoles are still computers. They are just specialised.

As a matter of fact, the fact they have been x86, does make them somewhat a PC.

[slim yacht]

whats the tea

[tired glade]

That's doesn't matter, it's based on power pc,that all

[past egret]

the zotac 40 card look like sanitary pads

[manic torrent]

@dreamy rose thinks that "PC" has only ever meant, and only means x86 based systems.

[tired glade]

They have a lot of space to make something of it

[mild bloom]

you guys still on about the whole pc or no pc dispute

[serene stone]

They want Bionic to say "Yes, I am wrong." so they keep engaging with him. lmao

[tired glade]

Arm can be pc and x86 can be console

[dreamy rose]

Because the Technical Term for PC has always been the IBM PC. Your Amiga, your Atari ST, your non Intel X86 Mac, your older consoles will NOT play anything compatible with an IBM PC

[mild bloom]

nah bro they actually look good

[slim yacht]

well a pc can run on arm architecture just fine, runs even on any type of microprocessor designed as CISC matter of fact which is majority of of chip nowadays

[violet wagon]

Pc by definition is A personal computer (PC) is a multi-purpose microcomputer whose size, capabilities, and price make it feasible for individual use.

[manic torrent]

.... even though the term existed prior to the IBM PC

[manic torrent]

@violet wagon yes... I know all of this 🙂

[slim yacht]

any system that can run upon the use of microchip is a pc in definition at this point

[violet wagon]

Yea

[dreamy rose]

Yeah, right. But does IBM PC software run on a Mac natively?

[mild bloom]

is a laptop a pc

idk

[slim yacht]

yes

[mild bloom]

but who cares whar it is

[dreamy rose]

Is it running an x86 Processor?

[manic torrent]

Does a non sequitur shit in the woods?

[mild bloom]

yes

[tired glade]

Depends what software and what version of os

[dreamy rose]

There is your answer.

[static stag]

Zotac cards do not and never have "looked good" lol

[violet wagon]

You can use Bootcamp for intel or for M1/2 parallels

[dreamy rose]

68K, Power PC and ARM macs specifically

[mild bloom]

isnt the mac mini a portable pc but running on arm or something like that

[slim yacht]

a macbook can also be considered a pc lol eventhough it runs on arm instruction sets due to its nature being able to run an operating system

[violet wagon]

Basically

[mild bloom]

no, these zotac cards actually do look cold asf

[slim yacht]

hey its 3090 card is fine
they look mad as well

[tired glade]

Recompiling on table?

[mild bloom]

hard asf

[dreamy rose]

You cant use anything like Rozetta. Nor any sort of Virtual Machining. Its gotta run natively, on bare metal. No mods. No nothing. Just working as its supposed to the way it was made.

Your ARM mac will not run an x86 Program natively.

[violet wagon]

Macs are PC’s but Apple likes to separate themselves from the Windows (sad) users

[tired glade]

I will do more productive at point

[manic torrent]

"because of these rules I made up and have no references for"

[dreamy rose]

Then that makes logic dictate it is not PC Compatble. Its not a PC then. Correct?

[slim yacht]

my guy arm will run x86 program if the developer decides to support it
thats not a problem of it being a pc

linux can run on arm/x86 just fine

you can emulate just as easily

pc is not limited to x86

[serene stone]

according to MLID, AMD's upcoming GPU lineup also focuses heavily on RTX, with just better performance to cost ratio, so better prices. I was hoping for more rasterization perf.

SUXX

[slim yacht]

the definite terms of pc had been diversified since the existense of arm/x86/x64/x32

[tired glade]

Rt,not rtx

[serene stone]

don't bother tutel, he will not concede.

[serene stone]

ya true.

[slim yacht]

[violet wagon]

[serene stone]

Hardware and Bionic went 1v1 in Public-chat Nvidia discord for past 6 hours, no concession speeches.

[dreamy rose]

ARM does not make it a PC. You do realise its a complete different set of instructions that wont work with the ones made for x86.

[static stag]

facedesk

[slim yacht]

you know you can run x86 apps on windows for arm right?

[gilded obsidian]

what about leg

[static stag]

You're arguing PC means IBM PC. which isn't the case.

[dreamy rose]

Are you even reading what i'm saying man?

[violet wagon]

Yea

[static stag]

We get it, you don't understand what a PC is and think that PC = IBM Compatible PC.

[slim yacht]

its just not at this point
pc is just very broad now at point where it is not limited to x86
the early terms was specific to ibm's because they were the first to implement new x86 CISC into their computer

[static stag]

Apple themselves called their shit PCs at one point

[manic torrent]

Yeah man, it's totally EVERYONE ELSE who is wrong. That's the most likely scenario

[static stag]

https://tenor.com/view/legenders-idolmaster-sidem-sidem-sora-kitamura-chris-koron-gif-25138315

[tired glade]

In the end,if work is done,who cares about in what it's done

[dreamy rose]

Go ahead and Define "PC Compatible" for me

[violet wagon]

Whats the difference between pc and pc compatible

[static stag]

IBM PC compatible computers are similar to the original IBM PC, XT, and AT that are able to use the same software and expansion cards. Such computers were referred to as PC clones, or IBM clones. The term "IBM PC compatible" is now a historical description only, since IBM no longer sells personal computers after it sold its personal computer division in 2005 to Chinese technology company Lenovo. Thanks

[slim yacht]

you can also easily call your cellphone a pc cause it runs on an SOC, that is with an inclusion of arm processing core
and if you also notice many of these core runs android which is linux
the definite idea of pc compactible is now so broad theres no longer specific idea to what a 'pc' is

[dreamy rose]

Ones the system and ones the software written FOR said system

[violet wagon]

Lenovo is cool 😎

[static stag]

I even showed you an ad, from apple, literally stating Personal Computer

[dreamy rose]

Just because they "Say" its a PC It isn't

[violet wagon]

From how long ago

[static stag]

Lenovo is now chinese and has had several issues related to it

[dreamy rose]

I could be driving a car from America and say its from Nigeria. Does it make it true?

[static stag]

https://cdn.pocket-lint.com/r/s/660x/assets/images/148775-laptops-news-the-most-iconic-computer-print-ads-of-all-time-image10-uec9dtqfp3-jpg.webp?v1

Ancient but makes the point

[violet wagon]

Only if it is a GMC or Ford it is American

[violet wagon]

Bro thats so old

[manic torrent]

or a subaru. Or a toyota

[static stag]

Literally says "Apple Personal Computer" and "The personal computer"

[brisk wave]

[dreamy rose]

It makes no point because, its not true. Its not a PC Compatible that runs PC Hardware.

[violet wagon]

Nope Toyota is Japan, so is subaru

[static stag]

But PC just means Personal Computer

He just big mad and doesn't wanna take the L he earned

[manic torrent]

and yet, where is the factory?

[spiral kraken]

bruh this has been going on for an hour

[static stag]

https://tenor.com/view/jbtzxclsv-big-mad-plies-gif-13158302

[violet wagon]

Multiple locations

[manic torrent]

yes, some of them in the US 🙂

[dreamy rose]

In one normie Context it does, The other it means that it works with an IBM PC.

[slim yacht]

its just a personal computer
whether or not the component supports it or not depends entirely on the operating system it will run

that is to say hardware it will be equipped with as well

[dreamy rose]

I can't be the only one literally understanding this basic logic here.

[manic torrent]

keep going with this thought, you might get there 😉

[thick thicket]

[violet wagon]

I think so

[dreamy rose]

A high end gaming PC can still run DOS right?

[static stag]

Annnnd you can't read lmao.

The term "IBM PC compatible" is now a historical description only, since IBM no longer sells personal computers after it sold its personal computer division in 2005 to Chinese technology company Lenovo.

Do I need to bold it too?

[tired glade]

You can emulator dos

[static stag]

Highlight maybe?

[slim yacht]

emulation

[dreamy rose]

You can run DOS right on bare metal.

[violet wagon]

So?

[tired glade]

Why you want that?

[tired glade]

I hope, it's offline mode only

[manic torrent]

"I am the only one in this server of people that truly understand the history of computing and what PC means, none of the links or proof that people have shown, and nothing they have said can be right"

[dreamy rose]

Because it is a PC. Its able to do it.

[slim yacht]

this is like saying oh yeah ipv4 ip segment is important when youre already adopting ipv6

[dreamy rose]

Anyone, try installing MS DOS on a Phone.

[tired glade]

Dos is unprotection as hell

[manic torrent]

ehhhh, on some. Some no longer have the old boot setup, it's only secure boot.

[dreamy rose]

I can garentee it will not work natively

[slim yacht]

any modern system to be fair wont make msdos work natively

[dreamy rose]

Does it matter? DOS can run on any x86 Machine.

Thats a fact.

[tired glade]

It's works on metal, with direct access to anything on hardware

[violet wagon]

So basically
U want to say that PC by old terms is IBM (now Lenovo) and by the new way is Anything that is classified as a computer/tech

[static stag]

The term "IBM PC compatible" is now a historical description only

Meaning it's a dead term, he's arguing something that doesn't exist anymore.

[dreamy rose]

Its written for the same instruction set. It will work with that instruction set.

[slim yacht]

idk why we are arguing on such simple term of pc here
its literally just personal computer by definition in modern days

[violet wagon]

I gathered that lol

[violet wagon]

Ikr

[dreamy rose]

Because in the end its wrong to be calling something thats just a computer a PC.

[manic torrent]

nope

[slim yacht]

'personal computer'
'computer'

i can see it, can you?

[violet wagon]

I can :)

[dreamy rose]

I can see it. Your logic is flawed.

[slim yacht]

quantum computer is also a computer sir bro
and its personal to the company running it

[violet wagon]

Hahahaha

[dreamy rose]

We talk about PC Software working on PCs. Not Macs. Nor Consoles. Nor Phones.

Nor Amigas or Atari STs.

[manic torrent]

What about PDP-11

[slim yacht]

pc software? thats very general considering we have macs, linux distros, windows

[dreamy rose]

No NESes, no Master Systems. No Genesi, no SNESes.

[slim yacht]

what do you mean by pc software here?
a software in a pc? a pc itself comes empty without an operating system wont run shit

[violet wagon]

Ppl keep jumping between pc is ibm (old and wrong) and pc is computer

[dreamy rose]

We talk about. Plain old PC. IBM PC. PC compatible software.

[slim yacht]

my mind is blown about how you care so much for something that has been historically obsolete

[violet wagon]

Old PC

[manic torrent]

and we retcon ANY use of the term prior to 1981

[dreamy rose]

Macs were built to be different from the start.

[violet wagon]

Better*

[manic torrent]

and we establish that "PC" is a technical term that actual IT professionals use to mean a very specific thing, and that thing is apparently x86 computers only.

[polar fern]

Well I almost missed the damn township bin trucks 😬

[dreamy rose]

Since when? When an Amiga did more including run Mac Software?

[brisk wave]

Hackintosh ftw

[dreamy rose]

Yes, thats right. An Amiga will run System 1.

[slim yacht]

idk if that matters anymore in 2022 because thats just not how people use the term pc anymore

[dreamy rose]

Why? Because they are bot based upon the 68K. And the Amiga is Objectively more powerful.

[manic torrent]

apparently language is not allowed to evolve, and PC is a technical term.

[manic torrent]

and yet, the processor in my headphones is more powerful..... because it's 2022.

[polar fern]

IBM personal computer was a specific thing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_Computer

[dreamy rose]

It doesn't matter. I'm speaking the Fundamentals here.

[polar fern]

But IBM doesn’t even make consumer pc anymore

It’s all clones & Lenovo

[dreamy rose]

There were clones, they became very popular. Your point is void.

[serene stone]

do you guys really care about RT performance? Feel like this gen of GPUs is just an RT upgrade.

[slim yacht]

like i said the definite use of ibm pc was specific because it was the first to come out with X86
nowadays the use of 'pc' are very generalized and are not specific to one set of equipments alone
the older terms have been superseded by general terms in modern world

[manic torrent]

It lives!

[serene stone]

who is that lol

[dreamy rose]

If the Amiga took well off and the IBM PC ecosystem Died, we would be having the exact same conversation.

[slim yacht]

thats why wait for amd or stick with 3000 series

[serene stone]

ya im saying upcoming AMD is also heavily RT based.

guess we wait for 5 series kek

[slim yacht]

lucky for history does not go down that way and a pc is term used for any desktop computers in modern world

[manic torrent]

I've got it guys - it's a game. You have to make a stupid take, and then defend it forever. That's the only way this makes sense.

[dreamy rose]

A computer capable of Compatiblity with IBM PC.

[serene stone]

What is dead may* never die.

[thick thicket]

i would jump in on this convo but this chat has been at each others throats for like an hour now over some silly shit, i dont really wanna get pulled into this chat

[slim yacht]

imma call my laptop a cellphone because its using x86 but mobile you know

[violet wagon]

Because it already has

[violet wagon]

iPad in a flipping nutshell
Except is mobile using desktop

[dreamy rose]

The form factor makes no difference.

[slim yacht]

neither the definition from 1986
move on, time dont wait

[dreamy rose]

It can be a laptop or a handheld, a tower. Whatever. Its x86 its a PC.

[violet wagon]

Lol

[violet wagon]

Computer*

[slim yacht]

so youre saying steam deck is a pc?

[dreamy rose]

Is it not?

[violet wagon]

Yes

[polar fern]

Bionic, I’m just gonna out & say this: you come across as an intentional conflict initiator. think it’d do you well to read your chats before sending & see if you have moment appropriate lines of wording. 👍

[static stag]

https://tenor.com/view/angelina-love-gif-24995659

[manic torrent]

.. it's me

[serene stone]

oh ok lol

[slim yacht]

but how does steam market them exactly ?

[violet wagon]

Face reveal

[dreamy rose]

A handheld gaming pc? You're making no point here mate.

[slim yacht]

its a handheld gaming pc ye?
what about playstation and xbox?

[polar fern]

Bob got the editing rig set up?

[serene stone]

Purple text has spoken.

all bow

[dreamy rose]

PS4,5 Original, One series and Series Series are all x86 thus do count as PCs.

[polar fern]

🤣

[static stag]

Dictionary says you're wrong, take it up with them then come back. https://www.britannica.com/technology/personal-computer

[slim yacht]

and theyre marketed as gaming consoles
you see how general a 'pc' is in 2022? or are u stuck in 1986?

[manic torrent]

and literally every single other resource shown, and her has given no citations at all

[serene stone]

You guys are 15 year olds posing like 67 year olds huh?!

[polar fern]

Personal vs industrial/research… we still on this?

[slim yacht]

23 and a computer engineer actually

[dreamy rose]

I'm sorry but i'm just the one using the correct Definitions here.

[static stag]

https://www.encyclopedia.com/science/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/history-development-and-importance-personal-computers

[violet wagon]

Im not 65 :(

[serene stone]

was a joke. KEK

about the 8 hour debate

[slim yacht]

no

[polar fern]

15? Man when I was 15 you could still go on a plane & see the folks off at the gate

[violet wagon]

Holy sh-

[dreamy rose]

I am using the correct Definition here.

[violet wagon]

15, i was moving from my mums house to my dads

[static stag]

hahahah, warship won't letmegooglethat for you since you're incapable

[manic torrent]

The gate!? Just chillin on the tarmac!

[tired glade]

Had Intel accelerators arrived?

[static stag]

https://tenor.com/view/willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-gene-wilder-willy-wonka-you-get-nothing-nothing-gif-5432076

[slim yacht]

any devices that performs function related to an operating system is a computer
a router is a computer, a switch uses a controller which runs on an operating system, a wire with a microcontroller who does instant switching is a computer

[polar fern]

I’m old enough to remember no one having home internet

The net is something you put up if you were a basketball fan

[dreamy rose]

We're not about to start trying to Define what a fucking computer is are we? We are talking about PC. Which if its NOT compatible with the IBM PC, it is NOT a PC.

[tired glade]

Not even phone version?

[polar fern]

Or volleyball etc

[atomic coral]

Or mobile phones. CB radio was the BIZ

[slim yacht]

any microprocessor equipped in a system capable of running a system is a computer when combined
it is not limited to whatever you think a pc is

[mild bloom]

lets goo still on about the pc vs no pc

[violet wagon]

Rember when ur school got pc’s (IBM or Macs, by today standards) and they added typing as a subju

[tired glade]

Pc is person computer

[slim yacht]

so youre saying my my degree has lied to me or what?

[tired glade]

Phone is person computer

[polar fern]

Yes keyboarding/typing & “computers” as a class

[mild bloom]

no your laptor isnt

[dreamy rose]

I'm saying that the Generalisation is Wrong and that it is Factually incorrect to call a completely incompatible platform. A PC.

[tired glade]

Keyboard can compute now,they can be classified as pc

[violet wagon]

I remember my teacher Mr Davis he had a thick Irish accent

[mild bloom]

real

[slim yacht]

a pc itself have different classifications of meaning to an ibm pc entirely

[mild bloom]

is my laptor a pc if arm

[polar fern]

My Apple TV remote has more processing power than a 1960’s computer

[violet wagon]

Yes

[violet wagon]

Lmao, so true

[dreamy rose]

You won't run x86 Code on an ARM Processor, you won't run ARM Code on an x86 processor.

[mild bloom]

if i have a samsung fridge and its idk is it then a pc

[manic torrent]

nobody. ever. said. that.

[tired glade]

Wasn't the computer that sent expansion to moon agnologe?

[violet wagon]

Ur Apple TV Siri remote could land a man on moon if they tried

[manic torrent]

no, but it was far simpler than modern PCs, for lots of reasons.

[dreamy rose]

Thats right. Nobody ever said that because its common sense.

[slim yacht]

yes you would
theres a reason windows and linux mainly uses C as one of its language to build it
c compactibility to java allows arm/x86 to run the same system

[tired glade]

Let's start,there were two of them on board

[mild bloom]

is a samsung frige a pc

[dreamy rose]

You are still recompiling for different Instruction sets.

[slim yacht]

actually yes

[polar fern]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_(software)

[tired glade]

Yes

[polar fern]

What was that about ARM & intel?

[slim yacht]

im done. if he cant comprehend the new meaning of pc then theres no reason to carry forward

[mild bloom]

ik im just trying to provoke a reaction from bionic cuz ita funny hes been like this for idk how many hours

[tired glade]

They got intel CPU and strip everything they could - making arm

[violet wagon]

[tired glade]

Intel doesn't like arm

[slim yacht]

[violet wagon]

How can u strip an intel into arm? What they take off?

[polar fern]

Rosetta was originally created for the switch from powerpc to intel now intel to apple silicon. It also can work for iOS as it’s the same as macOS these days

[slim yacht]

from someone understanding here, the word 'pc'

[tired glade]

Every instructions and non computing modules,at least how story told

[tired glade]

Most likely they just clone it and removed everything they don't need

[violet wagon]

Tell u what is cool is when u can download iPad apps on M1/2 macs

[mild bloom]

ok what if we say that anything that can compute is a personal computer and boom fixed

[violet wagon]

Interesting

[violet wagon]

Well

[polar fern]

BRB gotta put bags in the house bins.

[dreamy rose]

I mean. You guys have no point debating with the Broken Logic you are providing. So why don't we shut up about this. A PC is only systems that are IBM Compatible. And we go on with our days, or nights taking little pot shots at Nvidia and helping people with their computers for a while. PC or not.

[tired glade]

That was 1985

[violet wagon]

I was 8

[tired glade]

Lol

[polar fern]

Looks at my mac with nvidia gpu

[violet wagon]

💀

[violet wagon]

Thats cool

[tired glade]

Are those still exist?

In working conditions

[slim yacht]

thunderbolting m1 laptop with rtx 3080 egpu

[dreamy rose]

As long as they physically exist. Yes.

[tired glade]

Oh,they still do

[violet wagon]

Well Hackintosh is a bit harder now but still do able

[mild bloom]

mac is also a pc then or not

[violet wagon]

Yes

[tired glade]

I am more about Apple made one

[dreamy rose]

There could be 1 surviving unit, it will exist. But if not it doesn't.

[mild bloom]

nvida

[slim yacht]

good claim, unfortunately not true

[dreamy rose]

Three Eras of Mac, Are not. One Era. Is.

[tired glade]

And you can't plug those on IBM pc,they did something on GPU bios

[violet wagon]

Damn that old

[manic torrent]

literally nobody is with you on this. Not a single other person.

[static stag]

https://tenor.com/view/evidence-shia-labeouf-gif-12214483

[violet wagon]

[dreamy rose]

They don't need to be, people can ignore the truth if they so choose to.

[polar fern]

ADC on an nvidia card

[manic torrent]

on the balance of probability, is it more likely that you are right, or that everyone else is right?

[static stag]

https://tenor.com/view/theres-probably-none-marissa-rachel-i-dont-think-theres-any-theres-nothing-probably-not-gif-21685330

[slim yacht]

how do i believe when what you said literally contradicts the definition itself

[mild bloom]

but doesent pc mean any computer that is designed for personal use💀

think about it, personal computer = pc = computer for personal use

[violet wagon]

By the new and correct definition

[static stag]

Yes, that's exactly is. But he's arguing a dead term, IBM Compatible PC = PC = Only IBM Compatible (x86) is PC

[manic torrent]

also the old definition that predates the IBM PC

[violet wagon]

They wrong……..

[dreamy rose]

When you've based your logic on a definition in the wrong context i see where you come from. But no. You all are running on the wrong definition.

[polar fern]

Not gonna lie, having an ADC display was amazazing. Two USB ports & no second power cable

[slim yacht]

anything with a microprocessor/controller can be a pc and run system
we have been far advanced since the year 1986

[static stag]

https://tenor.com/view/but-you-dont-have-any-proof-of-that-neil-jackson-jack-byrne-absentia-no-evidence-gif-17809259

[violet wagon]

That falls under the new definition

[mild bloom]

not just that the abbreviation is "personal computer" so either way the IBM thing has no basis in anything

[violet wagon]

Is IBM even still like workin/operating?

[polar fern]

Unfortunately due to the pandemic I don’t have any pictures of my Apple studio display. I have not really been back to my place because I share common areas with roommates who are public facing frontline essential workers.

[slim yacht]

its a dead term
its just a historically used by ibm to specify their first x86

[dreamy rose]

IBM does things with the cloud.

[graceful burrow]

IBM is still massive
They just don't do many things on the consumer side

[violet wagon]

Oh alr

[mild bloom]

yeah

[polar fern]

Lenovo took over the hardware stuff & I think Toshiba? Took over the hard drive division

[dreamy rose]

Nowadays Big Blue is just an F-Zero Track or Intel

[mild bloom]

they also have the quantum compuer and whatever

[polar fern]

Watson?

[slim yacht]

theyre an infrastructure company now with those super fast quantum computers

[polar fern]

Deep blue

[violet wagon]

IK Lenovo bought Think from IBM years ago

[slim yacht]

ibm quantum computer can mine all kinds of crypto so fast, it can break down the whole network

brb applying for ibm engineers

[violet wagon]

IBM be owing all the crypto lol

[polar fern]

Oh it was hitachi that took over the hard drives

[dreamy rose]

I hope to fuck people don't try doing that shit. Crypto stays Well away from exotic hardware such as Quantam Computing.

[violet wagon]

The earth-working company?

[slim yacht]

well by owning everything means crypto wont have any value because nobody can buy/mine it anymore

[polar fern]

I remember some of the early infamousHitachi desk star models known as death stars because they had frequent spindle and read/write head failures

[violet wagon]

This is true

[slim yacht]

its like having precious metal in posession but its worthless unlike gold which is not affected by inflation at all

[polar fern]

Western digital now has the dark star IP.

[violet wagon]

Idk if u do but remember when asus (i think) was known for blowing up like a samsung?

[dreamy rose]

Well you kill the planet too. So everything is worthless.

[polar fern]

I remember certain brands having the yikes moments in the early 2000’s with reliability

[slim yacht]

you living right now is killing the planet itself

[violet wagon]

Yea

[violet wagon]

Damn ok

[dreamy rose]

Fart about it.

No wait, That'll kill it more

[polar fern]

I forget who it was, compaq or hp or dell which had the cpu fan ducted out through the PSU.

[slim yacht]

with the rubbish we produce, the amount of things we need to eat, global warming, the excessive use of damaging gas, nuclear radiation
alot more than we'd notice

[mild bloom]

so if i just built a simple quantum computer i would be able to mine a f*ck ton of money

seems easy enough

[slim yacht]

very bold of you to assume you have the money to even buy quantum computers casing

[violet wagon]

I thought it was dell

[mild bloom]

nah ill diy it

[violet wagon]

Nah sorry

[dreamy rose]

Dell has always been bloody awful

[mild bloom]

nah nah

[polar fern]

I wish I knew which models - it was very specific to 2 models

[violet wagon]

Their cases tho…

[polar fern]

It was their budget line pretty sure

[violet wagon]

Try ur preferd web search browser and search engine

[dreamy rose]

Yeah the cases still are the worst parts.

[violet wagon]

Yea

[slim yacht]

brb imma build a 5800x3D system with a gtx 1650 to get maximum performance

[polar fern]

Still catching my breath from getting the trash and recycling bins out into the township bins into the curb

Covid lung damage ftw 😔

[dreamy rose]

If you ignore all their Proprietary bullshit and overpriced crap to make nessasary adjustments.

Dell is literally the Anti Consumer PC Company.

[slim yacht]

my guy any business is an anti consumer
their purpose is to make money

me typing to you right now cost me money

[violet wagon]

Tbh some ppl may even say Lenovo is the worst but i personally like Lenovo its the only company that doesn’t breaks (in my rough use, Windows devices)

[dreamy rose]

true to an extent

however i fail to see ifixit as Anti Consumer.

[polar fern]

Dell has a massive presence in the workplace market alongside HP & Lenovo.

[violet wagon]

Dell is just the biggest in enterprise

[dreamy rose]

Any Serious PC Using has dell held by the Balls though.

[mild bloom]

theres still a margin of profit for them after they sold it to you, which means you technically payed more for it than it was made for which in turn is anti consumer if we nitpick

#boom ROASTED

[violet wagon]

Every company ever

[mild bloom]

exactly

[polar fern]

@dreamy rose wat? https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/workstations-isv-certified/precision-5820-tower-workstation/spd/precision-5820-workstation/xctopt5820us_4

[violet wagon]

Including the ones u love no exceptions

Except Apple

/j

[dreamy rose]

if you be extremely nitpicky, Sure, but a place needs money to operate. its when they make enough to Start funneling into pockets they turn greedy

[near nebula]

Jury still out on Mac Studio

[violet wagon]

They are awesome

[mild bloom]

still you pay more for it than the material and work cost so my point still stands all companies are anti-consumer unless they sell for less than the price of production

[polar fern]

@manic torrent 😫

[dreamy rose]

hows the Temps? Spicy?

[violet wagon]

Higher thank my bank account

[dreamy rose]

true

[near nebula]

(That's Alienware if you want a reactor for thermals)

[manic torrent]

yeah I'm doing other stuff now 🙂

[dreamy rose]

hittin them Tripple Digits

[near nebula]

not the laptops, the current gen "desktops"

[dreamy rose]

they still use the same generic IBM PC Case.

[polar fern]

A top tier spec 5820 would crush most consumer pc, bough the gpu may not behave the same

[near nebula]

even though the cases look nicer? damn...

[polar fern]

You could easily put a 4000 series card in there tho

[dreamy rose]

theres such thing as a Plastic shell.

[near nebula]

I know, you reminded me of those godawful Dell Inspiron 11 series

worst laptop I ever had bought

well, someone gifted me it I mean...

[polar fern]

Latitude are better

[dreamy rose]

its what happens when money goes down the drain.

[near nebula]

2GB RAM - soldiered, 64gb eMMC... and Windows 10 which might I add fills the whole laptop, and I was gifted that. agh...

I know, Latitude and the other laptop series are pretty good

[dreamy rose]

oh, so a Chromebook with Windows.

[violet wagon]

Hahahahahagahaha

[near nebula]

yeah it was a match made in hell pretty much!

[peak dew]

Is 46c a decent temp for watching 1440p youtube videos?

[glacial basin]

temps only matter in bios (over 60c at idle) or in gaming (over 90c in games)

[polar fern]

Watching YouTube should not thermally stress any decent computer/mobile device

[peak dew]

I found that higher resolutions slightly increase temps

[polar fern]

BRB

[dreamy rose]

yeah i got one of those. Celeron N3350, 4GB Soldered RAM, 128GB EMMC storage, Battery shit itself after 2 months. only fair. Said it was a "Great Power" battery

[ripe parcel]

hey would 2 3090tis perform as good as a quadro a6000

[violet wagon]

We can all agree the old intel macbook pros are amazing leg heats tho

[dreamy rose]

i love half pasted CPUs

[near nebula]

I dunno, old Samsung eith Exynos in Europe were good phone radiators

[glacial basin]

to be expected

[peak dew]

I have a ryzen 5 5600g

[violet wagon]

The thin design for minimal cooling

[near nebula]

especially when tearing down poor prebuilts

[dreamy rose]

that too

but idk. Something About half pasting is gonna really harm performance don't you think?

[sonic barn]

If you're on a dual core it will

Or some CPU from 2015

Most don't really have 4k support

[manic torrent]

hence, decent

[near nebula]

Or a AMD Bulldozer FX 🤣

Actually Phenom could be worse in that regard

[dreamy rose]

Scream that to my I5-2450m.

[sonic barn]

Well there was 7th gen stuff that was dual core for laptop

7200u

2017 I think

[polar fern]

I wish people would learn to get along with each other better.

[dreamy rose]

2nd gen to 10th gen have no real performance gains apart from Generational

[sonic barn]

For the i7 9th gen it was a pretty big jump

[serene stone]

https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidias-rtx-4090-4x-performance-claims-arent-holding-up-on-current-games/#comment-jump

[sonic barn]

They upped the wattage a lot though

[serene stone]

i'm going 13th gen for sure BB

[dreamy rose]

ew 13th gen

[static stag]

The more you buy, the more you save Jensen Huang

[sonic barn]

Raptor lake got delayed

[serene stone]

wait what? wym

says 27th announcement

then we got T-Rex lake next year.

[static stag]

Copy pasted his name from that comment and didn't think that was right lmao

[serene stone]

lol

[static stag]

Amazing, we tripled the RTX hardware and NOW RT games are playable at 3x the performance!

[sonic barn]

Dlss though

[serene stone]

and only on the new fancy games

no current ones

[night heron]

W

intel 13000

[dreamy rose]

So native RT at 4k. What's that like again?

[serene stone]

gonna be awesome man, super stoked for 13th gen on that new 500hz monitor!

[night heron]

ryzen 7000 🤓

[static stag]

pshh, like it matters, we got the ais just making up new frames wholesale. Just turn it on and pump it up, FPS over 9000

[dreamy rose]

intel Smells like a mouldy 11 gen old tuna Sandwitch tbh

When will intel be interesting again?

[tired glade]

Yes,at least in rumors

[serene stone]

intel awesome u sea 🐍 .

6 ghz OC pew pew

[dreamy rose]

i want Competiton not complete Pownage.

[tired glade]

And more e-cores

If looks at AMD stuff reaction and motivation on last presentation,Amd is moving off x86

[dreamy rose]

E Cores are just an excuse to put more cores on the Spec Sheet and maybe just lower the efficency

[tired glade]

Yes,that is cheap reason to make more cores

[manic torrent]

JFC could you have more bad takes

[dreamy rose]

Intel just can't make Efficiency work as good as AMD has without Significantly killing performance?

[tired glade]

Maybe

[dreamy rose]

what happened to being the best intel?

[tired glade]

Maybe they can't do it in price efficient way

Don't forget,all Zen made on same production line

[manic torrent]

... tell me you don't know anything about anything without telling me

[dreamy rose]

yeah but it sounds like AMD is calling on some Dark Wizardry when intel can't get that competitive,

[tired glade]

More engineering,but yea

Let see what those zen4c will be

[dreamy rose]

the thing is Intel literally controls Every part of the design. AMD relies on others.

[full fossil]

When they don’t get 100c with water cooling

[manic torrent]

yes, and you understand nothing.

[tired glade]

Chiller is still there

[dreamy rose]

Will you please not try start shit bro? We're talking

[dreamy rose]

oh you when they don't Require a Bracket to hold the CPU in the Socket?

[full fossil]

Hmm

[manic torrent]

Dark wizardry? It's the fundamental chiplet design.

[full fossil]

Hmm?

[manic torrent]

Allows for higher yields and better modularity

[tired glade]

What do you need too cool 12900ks?

[dreamy rose]

Antarctica probably

[full fossil]

Something real good at the very least

[dreamy rose]

go put your radiator outside in a Canadian Winter.

[static stag]

E cores are because they have no options right now. Their roadmap was set already architecture wise. E cores allow them to add cores without going full 500w CPUs to try to compete.

Supposedly Meteor Lake is going to be Tile or Chiplet based.

[dreamy rose]

you'd see nice and cool 85s there

[full fossil]

Lol would put it in the 80’s

Global heat has been caused by 12900ks’s

[dreamy rose]

hahaha,

12900ks:"hey Titanic. i gotcha bro"

[tired glade]

Wait, isn't 13900k close to 350?

[full fossil]

12900 gon uncover the whole ocean by vaporizing it

[full fossil]

350°c yes

[static stag]

250w stock, 350w unlimited power IIRC

[dreamy rose]

melt the ice caps, cause an ice age and vaporise all the water.

[tired glade]

On, unlimited

Apple jumped on perfect moment

[static stag]

But recall their last effort that was all P cores.

[full fossil]

How to fix dry weather in africa v5

[dreamy rose]

"Unlimited power" its not very unlimited when the outlet melts is it?

[tired glade]

With that mode you need chiller on 12900k

[full fossil]

Imagine 12900k drawing 1000watts

Electrical heater

[static stag]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-28-core-cpu-5ghz,37244.html

We also learned that the test system required a 1300W power supply, so total system power draw for the demo could stretch up to 2300W.

[dreamy rose]

nah bro thats the 15900K

[full fossil]

Cpu thermal throttle in windows 10 while idle

[tired glade]

What NA limited again?

[dreamy rose]

PSUs can go up to 2300 Watts?

[static stag]

It was 1000w for the separate chiller, just get it on 2 circuits.

[carmine merlin]

Intel exects: Oh crap, AMD is beating us. QUICK! unveil we have a more powerful top of the line cpu (I think)

[full fossil]

28 cores @5.5ghz 💀 that’s a fire hazard if i have ever seen one

[dreamy rose]

AMD: Plays a good card
Intel: "Fuck, lets cheat"

[tired glade]

It was faster in Photoshop

I think, until 3970x arrived

[undone axle]

Hello

[dreamy rose]

if your liquid cooling isn't Evaporating in tube you're not running Intel

[carmine merlin]

we can only hope intel will not go down that Bulldozer path of "more performance"

[dreamy rose]

or we can watch them make such a mistake and learn how AMD Felt when they did the same thing to them

[past egret]

AMD singlehandedly collapsing both sides of the competition with just statistics

[dreamy rose]

its honestly about time AMD got this.

[dreamy rose]

the boss music sounding like a Match of Ballblazer at this point.

[full fossil]

[night heron]

amd single-handedly launching a product that’s obsolete on release

[carmine merlin]

amd single-handedly launching a product that crushed the competiotin on launch only 5 years later

[serene stone]

what's obsolete on release? cpu or gpu?

[sonic barn]

Intel is obsolète in general

[night heron]

ryzen 7000

[serene stone]

why obsolete on release?

[night heron]

because it’s not competitive with intel’s next generation based on rumors

[serene stone]

it will be, pricewise.

[graceful burrow]

based on rumors
Invalidates the entire conversation on both sides tbh

[night heron]

if the 13600k drops at $300 amd has literally nothing to offer

[serene stone]

RT wise, Nvidia wins per usual. What we're wondering is if AMD raster can beat Nvidia's.

[dreamy rose]

firstly, its not an intel. Secondly. its AMD, they make their shit nice.

[serene stone]

ah ur talking CPU.

[night heron]

yeah but with the launch announcement so soon it’s unlikely the performance will be radically different

[graceful burrow]

So you trust rumors to be true

L tbh

[night heron]

i do at this stage yes

[dreamy rose]

thirdly. 13th gen is a Refresh

[dusty rune]

based on rumos, the efficiency is also much better, 7950x beats 13900k in multicore, 7600x destroys stuff in single core

[night heron]

7600x does not win in single or multithread against intel

[dusty rune]

+3d vcache gonna make gaming better

[night heron]

the 3d parts later in the year will be interesting

[serene stone]

tide switch, Intel back on top for now. Happens.

[dusty rune]

yeah, those for sure arent obsolete

[night heron]

but if the 13600k is price competitive then the first run of ryzen 7000 is obsolete

[serene stone]

but as for Nvidia, AMD winning atm.

[night heron]

i’m hoping amd keeps their pricing much lower than nvidia like it was for last gen

[sonic barn]

Depends on what happens today

[serene stone]

will be slightly lower, not much imo. Unless card is sig worse. lol

[sonic barn]

Fomc meeting at 3

[night heron]

if they launch a 7900xt for $1000 that can match the $1600 4090 that’ll be nice

[dusty rune]

prob the first gen gonna have some issues since its a completely different design

[serene stone]

ya that's not happening lol.

Rumors suggest new AMD cards are heavily RT based as well. So raster performance upgrade this year for both companies not great.

[dusty rune]

rt is so useless

for gaming*

[serene stone]

unless u only play single player

[urban hound]

Am I the only one who doesn't know or understand why the LTT Million dollar PC or petabyte of flash part 4 or 5 or whatever isn't out yet ? they said at the end of the last vid that they would do it in a whole separate vid, but it never came out. Am I missing something ?

[serene stone]

multiplayer games gotta WIN!

[dusty rune]

in the msfs demo, i genuinely couldnt notice a difference

[sonic barn]

if they increase under 75 bps then we're gonna get lower costs. However if its 75bps and over everything is gonna get more expensive in consumer and enterprise space

[sly tapir]

Depends on the game

You will definitely notice a difference in something like control lol

[dusty rune]

1 game out of how many?

[sly tapir]

There are a fair few rt games out now

[dusty rune]

i see no difference in doom eternal as well, or a noticeable one at least

[ripe parcel]

2 3090ti vs a6000

[sly tapir]

Also if you don't notice a difference doesn't mean that someone else won't

I definitely notice a difference

[dusty rune]

not worth the reduced framerate

[sly tapir]

That's personal preference

[dusty rune]

sure i guess

[night heron]

ray tracing is awesome but i won’t care about it until games are fully ray traced

with no option for traditional lighting

[sly tapir]

Quake

[dusty rune]

ok quake rtx is def noticeable

[sly tapir]

Can't wait for portal rtx

[dusty rune]

why remaster portal when you can make portal 3 :(

[graceful burrow]

I don't trust nvidia to make portal 3

[urban hound]

I feel like the chance of it releasing is the same as my dad coming back after going to get milk

[dusty rune]

did valve make portal or did they buy it

[graceful burrow]

??

Valve made portal

[dusty rune]

i know there was some stuff about them buying something about games

[urban hound]

they bought the original idea and people who made the early version

[dusty rune]

got it

[graceful burrow]

But it was based on something that they brought on devs from

Narbacular drop iirc

[urban hound]

IDK the name of the OG version

[urban hound]

thats the original game ?

[graceful burrow]

Almost positive

I was right

[urban hound]

I have very faded memory I only remembered the story and the shitty graphics

[graceful burrow]

ok

[urban hound]

the story i am pretty sure was that you were trying to save a princess from a demon or some shit

[lone crater]

Hey guys

[graceful burrow]

Hi

[echo rune]

Hey

[lone crater]

So

[graceful burrow]

So

[lone crater]

Im pissed lmao

[graceful burrow]

ok

[lone crater]

Some dude was insulting my religion and the admins protected him

Oh and this is not on the LTT discord btw

[graceful burrow]

Don't bring other discord drama here

[lone crater]

LTT discord is cool

[urban hound]

can i know why my message got censored for say the "G" word ?
i ment to say "hey GA*s" as a joke

[lone crater]

Exactly why im here, im trying to divert my attention to something else

Like the rtx4060

[urban hound]

LOL

[lone crater]

Some say the performance would be similar to the 3080

I mean on the live stream they said the 4000 series will be 2-4x faster than the 3000 series

[sly tapir]

Given the current trend of 40 series pricing is gonna be way higher lmao

[dusty rune]

prob also bullshit

[sly tapir]

At this point is it really an upgrade if the price is like 2x lol

[dusty rune]

2x-4x faster in whatever

[lone crater]

Im going to place a bet on its going to be 300% than msrp

[sly tapir]

My bet is 500 usd for 4060

[lone crater]

With dlss its possible i mean they ran cyberpunk at 120 fps

In 4K