public-chat

[manic torrent]

like - you aren't going to be 4k gaming on an egpu. But 1080 gaming? perfection.

[carmine merlin]

so I have a i5 8265u. What can overwhelm it?

[manic torrent]

a light breeze

but I would recomment a 6600XT like I have - you could easily go with less GPU, but the 6600XT would at least not be a piece of crap going forward

[tepid tiger]

eff it i get a egpu

[harsh lodge]

what is good gpu to pair with an intel core i5 11400f

[manic torrent]

anything, reasonable. I'd probably do a 6700XT or a 6800XT

[carmine merlin]

they don't sell 6600xt egpus here :(

[manic torrent]

No - you will likely need to buy the gpu seperately to the egpu case. egpu case second hand market is pretty thriving, because it is something people use and then don't need or buy and don't use.

[carmine merlin]

the case is more expensive than the gpu. In total would cost 800-900 dollars. I would just get a pc then

[coarse kayak]

You can get the cases used tho

[carmine merlin]

yes, thats with the used cases

[coarse kayak]

o lol

I think it still worth it even if it price of a low end PC because you can usually get better GPU than you would get in same price PC and you unlikely to be able to carry that PC around easily

then agian some of the cases are getting on for size of ITX system

[manic torrent]

Thing is an egpu is a mobo, case, psu, and small volume, and small size.

[forest sand]

I'm building a 16core laptop but the motherboard supplier is ghosting me

[sage silo]

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GeForce-RTX-3060-LHR/dp/B0995TBTLS/ref=sr_1_9_mod_primary_new?crid=2X8V0MV6STMT9&keywords=3060ti&qid=1660049611&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sprefix=3060ti%2Caps%2C63&sr=8-9 how does this seem for a 3060 ti?

[tiny socket]

just wondering, what if u get 2 gpus both having a hdmi cable, run it in a dual hdmi port to hdmi, then plug it in a monitor

would u harness both gpus or just fail?

[carmine merlin]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fM7Ld9
here's a little build I made that is around 800-900 dollars

[sage silo]

is it worth it to get a 3rd party card or just get a founders

[manic torrent]

That makes no sense

[tiny socket]

just wondering

[carmine merlin]

I think it does not really matter

[tiny socket]

most likely it wont work

[manic torrent]

I mean, it shows you don't really know how any of it works 🙂

[sage silo]

mmk and for 1080p 144hz is a 3060 fine? im trying to save as much money as i can basically

[carmine merlin]

more than fine, you're stepping into 1440p with that

[gritty sphinx]

i just bought a 21.5 inch 75hz freesync monitor for 89€
is it a good deal ? the colors are pretty good, it's an ips, response times seems pretty good.

actually i think its a va panel

It's an AOC 22B2AM

[burnt kettle]

fox or pc

[manic torrent]

are you happy? Then who cares

[gritty sphinx]

i mean yeah it's good
i was just wondering if i got a good deal

[manic torrent]

89 euros seems reasonable

[rotund goblet]

Wooooooooo got a 970 Evo plus

[warm wharf]

Huh, they must be trying to get rid of old stock or something

bestbuy is selling one of asus's gaming laptops at an absolutely ridiculous price

5980HX+6800M $1,399, $1,207 for open-box

Even by desktop standards that's not priced that poorly.
That's 3060 TI desktop performance roughly. $400 GPU, about on par with a Ryzen 5700X, which is about $240, there's $640, leaving $560 for the open-box price, or about $760 for the unopened one, for RAM, motherboard, PSU, case, SSD, etc.

obviously desktop has a bigger disadvantage if you assume they have to buy a display too

since the laptop comes with a 165 hz 1440P panel

[mossy crest]

honestly, it's amazing, if a little difficult

my biggest frustration is the map system

[harsh lodge]

what is a good price range for a rx 6600xt

[sonic barn]

66$

[mossy crest]

i think it's over 300usd still

[tepid bolt]

Under $400

I think it's at $350 right now. Not a bad price.

[hearty spear]

I think that's part of the "platformer" challenge aspect.

[mossy crest]

as a "where the fuck do i go" kind of game, having NO minimap detail whatsoever makes it an absolute chore

i refuse to draw my own maps for a game that came out in 2018

and when you're in a dungeon and missed a key or a chest, good luck chucklehead

apparently there's an expensive late-game item that reveals chests IN THE CURRENT ROOM but it's no good when scraping through a dungeon for what feels like the tenth time because you just missed a key

i like being able to add pins to the map but i hate that almost nothing is automatic

[tawdry pecan]

so I did an IQ test right
and I got a score of 117 which is above average
but the score is an average of individual scores, my lowest was computational speed which was actually terrible, like REALLY bad. I was only better than %7 of other people who took the test, this is a sign of learning disorders like adhd, dyslexia etc. if I remove this score from my average I would have an IQ score of 120. which would put me at the 91st percentile. Fuck

though I am running on only 3 hours of sleep rn

[past egret]

i wouldnt count on an IQ test

[tawdry pecan]

tbh though it's kind of right

[tepid bolt]

If you didn't pay for it, it wasn't a real IQ test

[tawdry pecan]

I did

[past egret]

even real IQ test arent worth it

it only makes you insecure

[tawdry pecan]

I've always been smart, but I would always take forever on tests and I'm really bad at keeping attention or completing goals.

having that as a low score is described as "This can affect tasks like goal planning, problem solving, and perseverance in personal goals."

[past egret]

then its not an intellectual issue

[tawdry pecan]

sounds about right

[worthy latch]

IQ tests are pointless because they don't actually measure anything meaningful :P

[tawdry pecan]

Doubt

they may not show the whole picture

[past egret]

a quote from hawkings about "IQ test, really dumb"

[warm wharf]

you don't have to pay for all official IQ tests

[worthy latch]

Intelligence is about more than solving puzzles

[warm wharf]

They're not perfect, but that doesn't mean they have no meaning

[worthy latch]

They have no meaning because they ignore fundamental aspects of a person's actual intelligence

[tawdry pecan]

coming from a man with a really high IQ...

[tawdry pecan]

the one I took wasn't only solving puzzles.

[worthy latch]

Yeah I understand that

[past egret]

the actual quote is "People who boast about their IQ are losers."

[worthy latch]

But there have been several studies with thousands of people involved which show IQ tests are unreliable

[tawdry pecan]

this is true

[warm wharf]

Unreliable at determining what?

[past egret]

what was your actual intention of doing the test

[tawdry pecan]

I was just curious and was surprised the results were exactly what I felt I was like.

[worthy latch]

"the researchers took a representative sample of 46,000 people and analysed how they performed. They found there were three distinct components to cognitive ability: short-term memory, reasoning and a verbal component. Results found that there were major inconsistencies between people's actual cognitive abilities and the results of an IQ test"

[night heron]

i have impressively bad short term memory

[tawdry pecan]

mine tested all these individually

• more

[warm wharf]

Results found that there were major inconsistencies between people's actual cognitive abilities and the results of an IQ test
How? how are they determining the people's "actual cognitive abilities"

[past egret]

would you do a follow test on mentioned mental "disorders"?

[worthy latch]

Mathematical tests and logic based tests, as well as memory capacity and length tests

[warm wharf]

There's people that argue they don't measure "emotional intelligence" and other nonsense, but the test was never designed to do that. It fairly accurately measures problem solving capabilities.

[warm wharf]

IQ tests mostly ARE logic based tests though

[past egret]

which has nothing to do with intelligence and social skills

[tawdry pecan]

thing is I have 🤣 most online tests say I have adhd but like I haven't done any official ones. TBH as an adult I don't want to go through the struggle of getting diagnosed and getting proper medication.

[worthy latch]

You could have an IQ test that shows below average intelligence but be a mathematical genius because memory isn't measured

[warm wharf]

Problem solving capability absolutely has to do with intelligence. It's the primary function of intelligence.

How intelligent you are is not how knowledgeable you are.

A more intelligent person doesn't know more things

they have a greater capacity to learn

[hearty spear]

ish.
You can ask logic based questions that give advantages to someone based on their educational background / history.
https://sputniksteve.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/climbthattree.png

[past egret]

if its interrupting with your life its good to have it confirmed by professionals, but to be subdued with medication because of social restrains is up to you

[warm wharf]

I'm certainly not saying IQ tests are perfect, but there's definitely strong correlation with their results.

Is someone who scores 110 necessarily smarter than someone who scores 105?

[worthy latch]

The problem with measuring intelligence is that we don't have concrete methods of measuring it because the functions and development of the brain is so complicated and difficult to generalise since everyone is different in how we operate

[warm wharf]

Absolutely not

[worthy latch]

Memory is something we barely understand. We use models of memory to suggest how it works, but it's not something everyone agrees on. And memory is key to intelligence levels

[warm wharf]

But if two people score 80, and 150, I don't think there's any real chance in hell that the person scoring 80 would be considered smarter in any sensible manner.

[past egret]

also it doesnt have to be medication, some adjustments to your daily life can help drastically with mental health

(self reply.....)

[worthy latch]

A combination of medications like SSRIs and therapy is the strongest we have for mental health treatment

[hearty spear]

depends:
The last time I took an in-person IQ test (about 200 years ago now)
I was answering questions and was corrected about how I was doing it. "You can't do it that way" is automatically discriminatory to different thought processes. (I was still getting correct answers, just not how they wanted it done.)

[past egret]

therapy and stuff

[worthy latch]

Doesn't work for every condition but it works for anxiety based illnesses like OCD and phobias quite well

[tawdry pecan]

in terms of ADHD the only true medication is Adderall lets be honest.. and I don't wanna take that

[sonic barn]

IQ tests don't show anything

[past egret]

adderall is pretty awesome but i understand

[warm wharf]

I've only taken two proper official tests, neither really had them care how I got the answers, weird to see they did for you.

By didn't care, I obviously don't mean I could google the answers, or outright cheat

but they didn't care what my actual problem solving methodology was

[hearty spear]

It's possible you just fell into their mold of how they wanted it done.

[tawdry pecan]

I'm more worried because I already have high blood pressure for my age. I don't think I could even take it safely.

[sonic barn]

IQ tests horoscopes and all that are just stupid

[warm wharf]

I took one as a kid, psychologist told my mother he thought I should take it

because my school tried saying I was chemically imbalanced and had ADHD

[tawdry pecan]

imagine putting IQ tests and horoscopes in the same boat

[warm wharf]

psychologist said he thought I was bored and taking classes that were too easy for me

and suggested I take an IQ test

[worthy latch]

You could have a combination of blood pressure medications and also the Adderall together if needed

[sonic barn]

Same stuff, making assumptions based on false ideas

[fallow echo]

I mean yeah obviously not in the same boat, but IQ tests are to a large extent pointless

[tawdry pecan]

horoscopes make assumptions based on your day of birth, IQ tests measure your ability to answer specific questions. This seems very different.

[hearty spear]

IQ Tests are (mostly) useable measurements.

Now if you were talking about the Briggs-Meyers Personality Assessments and Astrology? Those are both hogwash

[worthy latch]

Love the big man boris pfp @fallow echo

[sonic barn]

Found the person that studied psychology

I ignore all my humanities classes, get above class avg then play RuneScape

No other way to pass time

[harsh lodge]

@mossy crest@tepid boltI got one for 320

is that good? it is the asrock challenger d 8gb on new egg

[sonic barn]

Humanities is not needed in society

Pointless study for pointless reasons

[tawdry pecan]

I don't even have a college degree

[sonic barn]

Wanna manage how intelligent someone is, show them a task and see if they can memorize it and teach others

If you know something then you'll be able to teach someone else it

[warm wharf]

Funny, and logical, though not actually a quote Einstein ever said.

[hollow zealot]

From school to school, degrees can mean very different things

[tawdry pecan]

yeah I call bullshit on this, because I've done this countless times but then a week later completely forget all about it

[sonic barn]

School is just short term memorization

[warm wharf]

Not at all true.

[sonic barn]

If you're good at that then you're on easy mode

[tawdry pecan]

I took a class on web development, and my teacher just gave me a bunch of bullshit extra credit at the end of the year to get me an A because the whole time I would be helping other people I never did my work.

[warm wharf]

I actually think the best teachers

[hollow zealot]

I'd argue it depends on the class

[sonic barn]

I legit never study for tests

[warm wharf]

are actually people who struggled to learn the material

[warm wharf]

And?

Not relevant at all.

One of my smartest teachers was also one of my worst teachers.

It was easy for him, he expected it to be easy for everyone else.

[tawdry pecan]

then they are knowledgeable but not intelligent

[warm wharf]

It wasn't for most of his students.

[tawdry pecan]

it's 2 different things

[sonic barn]

Yeah this

[warm wharf]

No, it has nothing to do with this.

It's that people who learned something incredibly easily

can often not understand how hard it will be for someone else

and as such they can be a poor teacher of it

[tawdry pecan]

I would say I'm intelligent but not knowledgeable cause I can't keep the focus to study.

[sonic barn]

They're two sperate things

[warm wharf]

People who are exceptional at things may make great teachers, for exceptional students.

but they often make poor teachers for average students

[tawdry pecan]

actually I can agree with this

[hollow zealot]

You can't teach a talent

[sonic barn]

If a teacher knows how to teach something for someone to understand the material then I would say they're very intelligent

[tawdry pecan]

no they're knowledgeable

[warm wharf]

It wasn't that he lacked intelligence, it's that he taught at too fast of a pace for some people to keep up with

[sonic barn]

Look up the definition of intelligence

[tawdry pecan]

"the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills."

the ABILITY

[warm wharf]

He learned the material very easily himself, he expected others to do the same. Most of them couldn't do so.

[hollow zealot]

in·tel·li·gence
/inˈteləjəns/
noun
1.
the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

[sonic barn]

I haven't read a dictionary since highschool

Only for french

[tawdry pecan]

if someone took 10+ years to learn something but LEARNED it and can teach it they're knowledgeable, but the person who took 5 years to get to the same point is intelligent

[hollow zealot]

knowl·edge
/ˈnäləj/
noun
1.
facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.

[sonic barn]

I'm just dumb

[warm wharf]

He was my AP Physics teacher, I got an A, so did a few other people, mostly people who were really good at math - but a large chunk of the class straight out failed the class, because they couldn't keep up with the teacher's pace of instruction.

[sonic barn]

Don't listen to me

[sonic barn]

I hated physics, we had to write long reports

[hollow zealot]

I didn't bother with physics lol

[warm wharf]

Most people at my school didn't

We had to take earth science, physical science, and biology

all other science was optional

[hollow zealot]

I had to take chemistry

[warm wharf]

earth/physical were each one semester, and were freshman science

[sonic barn]

I got accepted into electrical engineering and computer science. Being the dumb person I am I went into computer science

[warm wharf]

biology was sophomore

[sonic barn]

[warm wharf]

we had to take 2 years of math, 2 of science, and a third of one or the other

[hollow zealot]

I have an HVAC degree

[tawdry pecan]

We talking high school? My school required Biology, Chemistry, and normal Physics. I took AP Environmental Science too because the teacher was fun.

[warm wharf]

I think the requirements are stricter now than when I was in school

[sonic barn]

Now I learn off java 8 and we cannot use libraries and frameworks outside of our classes. Everything is barebones and we spend half a semester on for loops

[warm wharf]

but I liked math and science, so took way more than was required

I also tested out of earth/phys science

[hollow zealot]

I only took AP English and social studies classes

[warm wharf]

and took biology as a freshman rather than sophomore

[tawdry pecan]

I hated english...

[sonic barn]

English sucks. I hate writing by hand

[tawdry pecan]

absolutely hated it, writing essays are a bore

[sonic barn]

Carpel tunnel

[hollow zealot]

Was pretty okay for me

[warm wharf]

English is hit or miss for me, depends on the focus

[tawdry pecan]

By senior year I was taking 3 different english classes..

[warm wharf]

I like reading, when it's something I want to read

[sonic barn]

Reading feels like a waste of time since I always multitask

[tawdry pecan]

because I kept failing them for not doing the work

[hollow zealot]

If you don't have a ergo keyboard rn, you're getting that anyways

[warm wharf]

I am fine with writing, in terms of, technical writing, but writing literature of any sort is not for me

[lucid echo]

Philosophy essays are very fun to write

[past egret]

my highschool teach punished me to write a 4 page essay on the word "interesting"

[sonic barn]

It's a joke because writing by hand hurts

[warm wharf]

I'm good at spelling and grammar, I utterly lack creativity.

[hollow zealot]

And that's physically and mentally impossible

[sonic barn]

I am breathing and on discord. That's multitasking

[warm wharf]

multi-tasking is one thing I have never been able to do well

[hollow zealot]

Breathing isn't a task

[warm wharf]

Like if I try and talk to someone while typing

[sonic barn]

Ok stop breathing then

[warm wharf]

I look down and realize I am typing what I am saying or they are saying

rather than whatever I intended to be typing

[lucid echo]

They're only 19, still believes multitasking is a thing, don't blame them

[sonic barn]

Bruh I'm 18

[tawdry pecan]

the fact that you can't means it's not a task. The brain forces it to happen

[hollow zealot]

Even rn, I could say I'm multitasking

[past egret]

its a chore

i fucking hate BREATHING!!!!11

[warm wharf]

I'm typing and listening to music, does that count? 😄

[tawdry pecan]

I fucking hate sleeping, I wish sleeping wasn't a thing. Such a waste of time.

[hollow zealot]

Being on a highway and being annoyed by discord people

[past egret]

maybe just crash and burn

(not a death threat)

[hollow zealot]

But in reality my mind is switching back and forth between the pizza Prius next to me and this chat

That was really uncalled for

[past egret]

sorry

[mossy crest]

i think that's good

[mossy crest]

i think that's cringe

[lucid echo]

This just might be the worst take you've ever had on here lmao

And that's a hard record to beat

[hollow zealot]

Goddamn

[warm wharf]

I pissed off one english teacher because they knew I read books for personal enjoyment, but refused to read the books they assigned the class to read

😄

[sonic barn]

It's just common sense

[lucid echo]

Ever heard of the dunning-kruger effect?

[warm wharf]

I had the proud distinction

[sonic barn]

Nope

[warm wharf]

of getting a D- in English one year by intentionally doing just enough work to pass

and also making it to the state spelling bee

[hollow zealot]

Class time with Mr. Sanic

[warm wharf]

dunning kruger is about peoples inability to measure their own capability

get a group of 100 people

[lucid echo]

The less you know about a subject, the more overconfident you are about how much you know/how simple it is

[warm wharf]

ask them all if they're above average at something

most of them will say they are

Most people only realize they used to be bad at something

once they improve enough to look backwards and realize how bad they used to be

It's basically a study in cognitive dissonance

[sonic barn]

What's one good thing about humanities for society

[warm wharf]

I don't give a shit about humanities classes, I think they've vastly overrated in their importance to every day life, that has nothing to do with dunning kruger.

dunning kruger is about understanding your competence at a task

or lack thereof

[lucid echo]

There's a complicated web of different ethical systems that are essential for making all kinds of decisions, from self-driving cars to government budgets to vaccine allocation. Companies like google have teams of philosophers and ethicists to help in these decisions

[warm wharf]

If someone wants to be an artist, cool. They can take art classes, but art classes didn't help me in any way.

[fallow echo]

Lmao, gonna need to change it soon, don't know if there will be as good photos of either of the 2 pm candidates tho

[warm wharf]

History classes can be useful, if it's taught right. But it usually isn't.

[lucid echo]

You saying humanities "is just common sense" is a prime example of overestimating how much you know about a subject

[sonic barn]

Well finance is different than humanities

[warm wharf]

Learning from the mistakes of others? Useful.

Memorizing what date a war was, and what the name of the general that won the war was? Useless.

[lucid echo]

Ethics is humanities, and touches every other subject

[warm wharf]

Understanding why the war was fought, as a means of avoiding future conflict? Useful.

[sonic barn]

Well we have Russia and urkraine

[hollow zealot]

That would be useful to connect said war to other events at the same time and other people at the same time

[warm wharf]

Not what I'm getting at, history classes here tend to teach history as lesson in memorization rather than one of understanding of the big picture

[hollow zealot]

How else would you teach it to people like you?

[lucid echo]

You haven't even spent a year as a legal adult so I don't blame you for thinking humanities is useless.
In reality it's one of the most important fields of study. Understanding how people & cultures work is essential to making good decisions for the future.

[sonic barn]

Also USA skips out a lot and doesn't teach history right

[fallow echo]

This, alot of humanities is actually extremely complex, not my field of specialist knowledge but can admit it is incredibly complex as an area

[sonic barn]

Ignore all previous mistakes

[warm wharf]

I don't think any counry teaches history "right".

It's biased to favor the viewpoint of whatever nation is teaching it.

[stray apex]

That basically just depends on how rich your school is

[sonic barn]

So why do we have it

[lucid echo]

Leaders make the worst decisions when they ignore the historians & philosophers

[warm wharf]

I think a lot of topics should be electives honestly.

Science clearly matters a lot, it's why we have he devices we're using to communicate with each other right now.

But the cashier at walmart doesn't need to know much science to live their life.

[sonic barn]

Unless they make drugs

[lucid echo]

If it weren't for common core, I would've taken a much different (and likely worse) career route. I'm very grateful that I was required to learn fields I wasn't interested in (at first)

[warm wharf]

there's a lot of classes that are very useful for people with specific aspirations

but aren't useful for everyone

[sonic barn]

I just think humanities is stupid

Waste of my time 600hrs

[hearty spear]

hoooo, that's a loaded statement

[lucid echo]

I wish I was still as naive as you

Those were the days

[warm wharf]

I don't think it'd have affected my career at all, but I'm not going to say it wouldn't have affected anyone's, or even most people's. I'm sure it would affect some people's, speculating whether it'd impact most people's seems like an exercise in futility.

[lucid echo]

I'm a software engineer, and I use shit learned in my philosophy classes WAY more than what I learned in my computer science classes.
You don't realize how useful it is until later in life.

[warm wharf]

I double majored in CS and math

which were the two subjects I always cared the most about

less art and history classes wasn't going to change that

[hearty spear]

that's a terrible idea. You can look at America right now and see exactly why it's a terrible idea.

[warm wharf]

how does looking at America reinforce that?

[lucid echo]

My major was a hybrid degree of Psychology / Artificial Intelligence / Philosophy, and without a doubt the philosophy classes were the most important in my later life, even though I'm writing code all day.

[warm wharf]

America mandates the classes in question that I wouldn't

[tawdry pecan]

America makes classes that should be mandatory electives, and classes that should be electives mandatory...

[warm wharf]

I consider English (insert native language for other countries), and math, to be he most important topics, that universally benefit everyone.

[hearty spear]

because large portions of the US aren't really teaching history, civics, etc. And the resulting education of the students is leading to really bad societal outcomes.

[warm wharf]

Though when I say English I'm talking about making sure people can communicate effectively

not that they read shakespeare

[tawdry pecan]

I would agree if English (in the US) actually taught you english...

[hearty spear]

Which english? There's a lot of dialects in america.

[lucid echo]

US Schools desperately need more philosophy/ethics/computer-science classes at a young age

[tawdry pecan]

I agree with philosophy and computer-science

[lucid echo]

Can confirm, my school in the south fits this description

[warm wharf]

There's probably a lot more CS than there is when I was in school

[hearty spear]

BTW: Remember that America has NO official language.

[tawdry pecan]

[warm wharf]

"Official" is a meaningless distinction

It's English in every important sense

It's the language every public school in the country teaches first

[hearty spear]

It's not. There are many nations in the world with a national language. America is importantly not one.

[tawdry pecan]

I just find at least the english classes I took became useless once I hit high school...

[warm wharf]

It's not a distinction that has any impact in the way we actually go about our lives.

[lucid echo]

My school taught that the Civil War wasn't about slaves and the US didn't lose the vietnam war

[warm wharf]

Street signs are in English, schools teach English as the primary language.

[hearty spear]

It's not important to how YOU go about your daily life. What about the other 300M+ people in the country?

[warm wharf]

The primary language is English whether we officially call it the official language or not

[lucid echo]

#linux

[hearty spear]

#linux

[hearty spear]

it's not.

[fallow echo]

There are subjects such as the sciences which are required for a lot of skilled work that kids probably wouldnt study if it was up to them despite maybe being intrested later, I would require sciences maths and native language lessons for this reason

[warm wharf]

It doesn't change how they go about their lives either.
They need to know English to get by, or else they won't be able to read street signs, most advertisements, etc.

nothing would functionally change if English was the US's official language

[hearty spear]

Which is why every government form is required to be available in multiple languages?

[lucid echo]

Fun fact - You don't need to know english to get a drivers license. Where I'm from, they had the written test in spanish/french & for driving all you needed to do was prove you could navigate around

[hearty spear]

yes, yes it would, and the fact that you don't want to see that doesn't change the reality for large swathes of the country.

[warm wharf]

English becoming the official language doesn't need to change that

[tawdry pecan]

yeah this fucked.

people who know nothing about the US Civil War think it was about slavery
people who know a little about the US Civil War think it was about state rights
people who know a lot about the US Civil War think it was about slavery.

[warm wharf]

you can have an official language and still have the government translate thing for people when necessary

[lucid echo]

I have a distinct memory of the teacher making the whole class repeat after her - "It's about states rights!"

[fallow echo]

Then always handy to know a foreign language

[warm wharf]

I'm going to guess this was in the south?

[lucid echo]

Maybe this is a hot take but I think debating about the US/english relationship is a dumb argument to have

[warm wharf]

Where they didn't want to admit that they were in favor of slavery?

[tawdry pecan]

It's about state rights! The right for our state to have slavery!

[warm wharf]

I don't think non-english speakers are really any better off in the US than they are in the UK.

Or in australia

The countries all predominantly speak English

[tawdry pecan]

actually I find this to be false

[warm wharf]

And you're going to have a hard time living a fully functional life any of them without knowing English

[lucid echo]

Lets drop the english debate, it's pointless

[tawdry pecan]

this is true, but it's still easier in the US because there are also so many people who don't only speak english too.

[fallow echo]

Debating what about it exactly?

[lucid echo]

Lmao

[warm wharf]

I'm assuming the hoggers reaction was confirmation? That the school in question was in the south? 😄

[lucid echo]

I'm not totally sure, and I've been following along

[hearty spear]

this is literally the attitude that led to schools for "native children" to "teach them about modern society"

[lucid echo]

Yeah lol. Private school in rural south

[hearty spear]

when in reality it was just a way to get rid of native society entirely

[fallow echo]

Depends on the language imo

[warm wharf]

It's not an attitude. It's a statement of fact. Everything around me is in English, being unable to read any of it would massively inconvenience me. Especially nowadays where English is functionally the universal language for most of the internet as well.

[lucid echo]

So to sum up the past half hour, we all agree that the humanities is the most important subject in all of society

[lucid echo]

You would not fare well in many large neighborhoods where I grew up

Where nearly every sign is in spanish

[warm wharf]

I'd point my phone at them and translate them to English

😄

Even programming languages are english-centric

printf("This is a string of text.");

The string of text can totally be in spanish

[lucid echo]

This kinda just defeated your whole point about needing to know English to get around

[warm wharf]

the topic was whether english being an official language or not was meaningful

[lucid echo]

Are you aware that nearly all programming languages have been translated to many other non-english languages?

[warm wharf]

I've seen plenty of software that has a UI that is very much designed for people who are non-english speaking, but it's pretty much still always used english syntax in terms of printf, writef, #include, etc. when I've seen it

[languid badge]

https://www.cclonline.com/90nr0b31-m00230-asus-tuf-gaming-a15-gaming-laptop-15-6-inch-2560-x-1440-amd-ryzen-7-6800h-16gb-1tb-ssd-geforce-rtx-3070-bluetooth-microsoft-windows-11-pro/?utm_source=affiliates&utm_medium=rakuten&utm_campaign=Hatch&siteID=9SHw.8narkE-Cm.SqRwGSLf9OY377VUJvw&PublisherName=Hatch

thoughts on this A15?

[lucid echo]

but it's pretty much still always used english syntax in terms of printf, writef, #include, etc. when I've seen it
That's what I'm getting at @warm wharf You just haven't seen the others
https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/javase/jdk8-jre8-suported-locales.html#input

[sonic barn]

I don't plan on going into software stuff. I want to go into data science with finance mostly and humanities is useless for that unless I'm doing statistics or studies

Like why do I need gender studies and child studies in that

[hearty spear]

gender studies is an elective....

[sonic barn]

No it's humanities

At least in my province

[warm wharf]

I mean, "electives" aren't really a concrete thing

By that I mean that what is elective, and what's mandatory varies a lot regionally

[lucid echo]

One day you'll realize that there's value in learning things that aren't directly pertinent to your career choice. Like I said earlier, despite working in software eng/data science/AI (with a finance AI project on the side), I found my philosophy classes to be most useful to my overall life experience. I enjoy living more because of them.

[sonic barn]

I'm in computer science with 7 classes and 40hr weeks

[warm wharf]

gender studies wasn't even an elective when I went to school

and to be clear I don't mean it was mandatory

I mean no such class existed

[lucid echo]

Same, it's a strawman

[warm wharf]

That's a course someone might take at university

if they decide to, but not mandated to them in a high school

[eager notch]

What the cinnamon toast fuck is going on on Reddit?

[lucid echo]

Just don't ever go there

Problem solved

[fallow echo]

Catch me up, I haven't really used reddit in a few years

[warm wharf]

I don't remember the exact requirements to graduate anymore

[eager notch]

Something about lttstore not having a warranty

[warm wharf]

but I think we needed 3 years of social studies of some sort

and 3 of english

and 2 of math and science and a third of one of the two

which I definitely think is silly

[languid badge]

anything?

[fallow echo]

I wish my country required some form of additional study rather than just your subject of choice

[warm wharf]

It's not so much that I am arguing that english and social studies are completely lacking in importance

But I absolutely think they're less important than math and science

I think problem solving is the most important thing we should be taught

and schools here utterly fail at that

[lucid echo]

I think a journalist, lawyer, or politician would disagree

You are biased because you took those classes as a focus

[warm wharf]

I don't think a lawyer would necessarily disagree

being a lawyer is very logic-based

[lucid echo]

I learned that best in my Symbolic Logic class.... which is in the philosophy department

Literally an entire semester exclusively about logic and problem solving

When I started programming classes it helped IMMENSELY

[tawdry pecan]

you know what I hate the most about virtual job training? When you realize your co-worker is misunderstanding something, the co-worker asks the instructor, the instructor misunderstands the question, you try to PM the co-worker correctly answering their question, but they don't see it so 5-10 minutes later it's not working so now the instructor has to take over their screen and fix it.

[warm wharf]

I'm totally not saying lawyers should be math majors, but I think debate, and finding loopholes in laws, etc. definitely benefit from problem solving/logic skills

[warm wharf]

I don't really know much about prices, etc. outside of the US to know if that's a good price for your region

but the A15 has a display that's among the worst in the industry

[sonic barn]

but what do you think of my humanity classes

[lucid echo]

I'm just saying that problem-solving & logic are not exclusive to math and science classes. There are entire suites of philosophy/sociology classes that tackle that, which you probably weren't exposed to.

[sonic barn]

are they pointless like I think

[warm wharf]

It has a Panda panel that is 62% sRGB, and has roughly 30 ms grey to grey

[lucid echo]

The arbitrary ones you chose out of the blue? Why do they matter?

I'm not answering that question because it's a flawed premise

[sonic barn]

is there a use for gender studies and child studies for learning

[warm wharf]

I honestly think calling such a display 144 hz should be illegal

If it takes you 30 ms to change the color of a pixel

[sonic barn]

I chose them because they fit in my schedule so I could leave earlier

[warm wharf]

how do you claim to be able to show 144 images per second?

[lucid echo]

Yeah, if you're a psychologist, social worker, or pediatrician

[warm wharf]

The thing is functionally a 30 hz display

😄

[sonic barn]

so its no use for me

[lucid echo]

That's called an elective lmao. You could've chosen any others, you weren't required to take those as you earlier implied

[sonic barn]

that's what I've been saying

pointless for me

[lucid echo]

You coulda chosen Ethics 1101 and gotten serious value out of it

[warm wharf]

Sadly I doubt anywhere outside the US will have deals like this

[lucid echo]

Shitty cringe joke from 8 years ago

[sonic barn]

my college is messed up

[warm wharf]

but THIS is what a good laptop deal looks like

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-strix-g15-advantage-edition-15-6-qhd-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-9-5980hx-16gb-memory-radeonrx-6800m-512gb-ssd/6486485.p?skuId=6486485

[lucid echo]

That sounds like a personal problem, don't take it out on the entire field of humanities because you chose lame classes to skirt through school faster

[warm wharf]

$1,399
5980HX + 6800M + 165 hz 1440P IPS

[sonic barn]

are you the cat

the cat is sleeping though

[languid badge]

no is it a good laptop?

[sonic barn]

but cat is sleeping

I will not disturb cat

[warm wharf]

Not particularly, as I said it has the worst display in any gaming laptop

[eager notch]

Eww, only 16 gigs of ram

[warm wharf]

32's nicer, sure, but at that price, that should not be a complaint

[languid badge]

was planning on it until I saw some reviews complaining about heat problems

[warm wharf]

It has liquid metal on the cpu and gpu, heat shouldn't be an issue at all

[languid badge]

any better alternatives at the same price point?

https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/lenovo-legion-5-ryzen-7-5800h-16gb-512gb-ssd-geforce-gtx-3070-15.6-inch-win-82ju00pwuk/version.asp

[warm wharf]

no clue, I'm only really familiar with pricing of things in the US

[languid badge]

what about this one?

[warm wharf]

legion 5's a MUCH better laptop than a A15

[languid badge]

but it's a FHD not 2k as well as not having a ddr5 memory

does this matter really?

[warped narwhal]

fhd = 2k

[warm wharf]

On a 15" panel I don't think resolution matters much, DDR4 vs DDR5 is basically no difference in most tasks

I'm sure he means FHD vs QHD

[warped narwhal]

yes

[warm wharf]

QHD is often called 2k because 2560 starts with a 2

[warped narwhal]

but still doesn't change 1920 is closer to 2k than 2560

[warm wharf]

yet oddly no one calls 3840x2160 3k

[warped narwhal]

"k" means roughly how many pixels horizontally

[warm wharf]

I meant that if 2560 is 2k

then 3840 would be 3k

I was essentially agreeing with you that 2k is bad for 1440P

since we don't call 3840 3k

[warped narwhal]

3840x2160 isn't really 4k but it's close enough that people call it that, 4096x2160 is the dci 4k that's the actual "true" 4k aka cinema

but 4k is an easier marketing term than uhd or 2160p... for some reason

[warm wharf]

that's just a weird resolution though

[warped narwhal]

which?

[warm wharf]

like I've almost never seen a 4096x2160 display

[sonic barn]

I'm getting another set of 16gb for my main pc when the price goes down

[warm wharf]

I'm sure they exist

[sonic barn]

8k?

[warm wharf]

but they're very much not common

[warped narwhal]

ofc not, they're cinema resolutions

[sonic barn]

they're at a bunch of stores

[hearty spear]

no

[warm wharf]

8k's super uncommon too

[sonic barn]

the bank here has 8k monitors

[warm wharf]

why would a bank have 8k monitors?

[warped narwhal]

the "k" term is literally number of horizontal pixels for cinema cameras and displays

[sonic barn]

for ads

[lucid echo]

All my 4K panels "support" it but it just gets chopped at the sides

[hearty spear]

sort of? But not really

[warped narwhal]

it was never designed for the normal consumer use

[sonic barn]

they have them mounted at the top by the tellers and they play ads

[eager notch]

That's a lot of monitors

[warped narwhal]

it is

[sonic barn]

resolution

[warm wharf]

another reason to call 3840x2160 4k rather than 4096x2120 IMO is 8K

[hearty spear]

1920x1080? is 1K?

[warm wharf]

8K is pretty unambiguously 4x 3840x2160

[eager notch]

Nope, that would be 2k

[hearty spear]

2K = 2560x1440

[warm wharf]

Just seems like a huge waste of $

how do you even know they're 8k?

Like good 8K TV's are upwards of $10,000 still

[sonic barn]

I asked them

they looked very sharp

[eager notch]

Because for some reason, going from 1080p to 4K, we switched from vertical pixel count to horizontal pixel count

[eager notch]

So by that definition, 1440p would be 2.5k

[lucid echo]

I still see 2160p for video options tho

[warped narwhal]

no, 1920x1080 is a normal consumer 16:9 resolution, but if it's estimated into the dci standard which is 2048x1080, 1080p is closer to 2k than 1440p

[warped narwhal]

^

again, because dci movie crap it was never meant for consumer displays

it just happened to be easier to say than ULTRA FULL HD

Oh wait it's just uhd nvm

[warm wharf]

Wonder how long till 8K TV's drop to a price point that they actually start to make any sense

[warped narwhal]

never

[warm wharf]

Eh, I bet they do

[warped narwhal]

because our eyes aren't getting any Sharper

[warm wharf]

That's not really relevant

you might not notice the benefit

but for marketing purposes I think they will keep increasing the pixel count

[hearty spear]

1920x1080 = ~2.1M Pixels
2560x1440 = ~3.7M Pixels
3840*2160 = ~8.3M Pixels

[warm wharf]

4k used to be unaffordably expensive for most people

like 8k is now

[eager notch]

I mean, I just upgraded from a 15 year old 1080p TV to a 4K TV in December

[warm wharf]

I'm sure 8k will be affordable and be what mainstream TV's are eventually

I'm amazed your TV lasted that long

I had a 1080P TV for 9 years

but then it started turning itself on randomly

and I decided it was time to replace it

Oddly once I went to a 4k TV though, I quickly decided to go all in

[fair sage]

damn, i was here looking at linux system logs, getting scared that one of my hard drives is 60+ celsius from the smart data.... then i found out it is one of the SATA SSD drives. 🤷‍♂️

[eager notch]

Mine still works, I just wanted a TV that didn't look so garbage

[warm wharf]

like 2011->2020 I had a 26" 1080P TV in my bedroom

then in 2020 I bought a 50" 4K TV that was cheap

then in 2022 I decided fuck it, and went all in and bought a nice TV

[warped narwhal]

for tv sizes it was because there are "generations" of glass production where it was the most efficient size/cost wise, so a few years back notice how 55" became popular in even cheap tvs? because a panel of that generation glass was most effective at making 3 55" and 4 43" panels with little waste.

there's nothing like that for lcd or oled/miniled

[warm wharf]

Though I actually went smaller this time

sort of anyway

It's really the same size to any noticeable amount

but went from a 49.5" budget VA panel

to a 48" OLED

[warped narwhal]

Haha imagine using a tv

[hollow zealot]

I honestly have a hard time seeing the difference between 1080p and 4k

[warped narwhal]

what size display?

[eager notch]

I went 65 inch thinking it would be a massive upgrade from my 42 inch TV which it was. But frankly I almost wish I went 75 inches

[hollow zealot]

My family has I think a 65"

[warm wharf]

1080P content on my 4k TV still looks pretty damn good.

[hollow zealot]

Maybe larger

[warped narwhal]

just means you sit far enough

[hollow zealot]

The way our living room is set up though it's about 10 feet away

[lucid echo]

When playing games on my 65", I can't tell unless I'm uncomfortably close

It's either 4k60 or 1080p120 so I opt for 1080p because of that

[warm wharf]

Well, maybe, TV's also upscale, so the quality of the upscaling varies TV to TV too

[warped narwhal]

I have a 34" ultrawide that is 1080p because 2015... it's fine but it's very noticeable that it's lower resolution

[warm wharf]

Like I'm not sure if I'd be as happy with a 48" TV that was "actually" 1080P

[eager notch]

Monitors are easier to tell resolution difference though

[warm wharf]

but 1080P content on my TV is being upscaled to 4K still, and the quality of the upscaling varies a lot TV to TV

[hollow zealot]

I have a 1080p monitor, and I was considering trying to get a 1440p 34" wide monitor, but I'm not sure I could tell a difference

[warped narwhal]

cause you're closer

[warped narwhal]

you will

[eager notch]

I have 3 27inch 1440p monitors and the upgrade from 1080p is noticable

[warped narwhal]

Wait what size for 1080p

[hollow zealot]

Maybe I'll have to try to find a shop with one on display to mess with

[warm wharf]

yeah I am sure if I stand right in front of my TV and alternate between 1080P and 4K I will notice the difference around edges of objects, etc.

but when content on it is 1080P

[hollow zealot]

I've played with one of the 32" 360hz Alienware monitors in a store but it was 1080p and didn't feel special

[warm wharf]

I'm not like, oh god, my eyes

[warped narwhal]

for me it's actually in certain games it's actually harder to hit a headshot because the pixels are too large

[warm wharf]

honestly sounds like a shitty display

360 hz is a meme

[hollow zealot]

I mean, it was like 5 years ago

[warm wharf]

and 32" is just way too big to be 1080P IMO

[hollow zealot]

So it was pretty ahead of it's time

[warped narwhal]

then ut wasn't 360hz...

[warm wharf]

I don't think 360 hz displays existed back then

[warped narwhal]

first 360hz display was in what, 2018? from acer...

[hollow zealot]

Idfk

Take it as a hyperbole

[warm wharf]

I've never even seen a 360 hz display, but I know they exist

[eager notch]

8 hertz WAN IP

[warped narwhal]

it could easily be a 240 or 265 which it probably was...

[hollow zealot]

High refresh rate large monitor didn't look bad in 1080p

[warm wharf]

My laptop's the highest refresh rate display I've ever personally used

[warped narwhal]

1440p 144hz is so nice for games

[hollow zealot]

I had a 120hz 1080p 16" laptop that felt really crisp

[warm wharf]

My laptop's 1080P/300 hz

[hollow zealot]

And my 1080p 144hz 24" feels muddy

But not due to the resolution

[sonic barn]

why do you need 300hz

[warm wharf]

Who said I need 300 hz?

[sonic barn]

you're rendering double 144hz

[warm wharf]

I said it is 300 hz

😄

I bought it because at the time I bought it, it had the highest gpu performance of any laptop on the market

[sonic barn]

human eye can only see 30fps /s

[warm wharf]

the display was just, whatever

[golden talon]

the jump from 60 to 144 is more noticeable than 144 to 240

[eager notch]

Mine is 1080p 60hz on the shittyest IPS panel DELL could buy

[golden talon]

after 165 Hz honestly you get diminishing returns

unless you’re a super high level competitive player

[warm wharf]

you get diminishing returns after 1 hz

[sonic barn]

this

where's waldo 4k

1hz

[hearty spear]

this is a dumb statemnt

[warm wharf]

It's accurate though

[hollow zealot]

Honestly, high refresh rate is almost worse if your monitor has bad pixel response time

[eager notch]

Yeah, you should just print out each frame and move based on that

[hearty spear]

functionally? Not really.

[warm wharf]

1000/1=1000
1000/2=500
1000/3=333
The gains are instantly diminishing

[eager notch]

Big brain time

[warm wharf]

1000/60=16.67
1000/144=6.94
Effectively, the difference between 60 and 144 is larger than the difference between 144 and any number larger than 144

[hearty spear]

Nauz, has anyone told you that you're an absolute chore to have a conversation with? Cuz.....

[warm wharf]

you can't shave another 9.73 off of 6.94

so there's no way to replicate the jump you perceive from 60 to 144

by going above 144

[sonic barn]

stock market dead

no volume

sadge

[warm wharf]

Basically, if you want to find the halfway point between 60 fps and effectively infinite fps, it's 120 fps

[warm wharf]

Oh, absolutely, I had a teacher in high school that kicked me and a friend out of class

because we told him he was wrong when he said america was a country

as opposed to a bi-continental region

😄

[hearty spear]

being pedantic isn't clever, it's annoying, and will get you fired in the real world.

[pliant lintel]

yo wsg guys im tryns watch youtube w my friends right yes yes, so when im playinf youtube, I can hear the sound and they cant when im streaming

anyway s to fix this gang?

[subtle walrus]

h0la

[eager notch]

As a 25 year old millennial, I'm too boomer to understand what the fuck you're trying to say

Anywho, I'm off to go throw a witch into a lake

[pliant lintel]

fr bro.

[warm wharf]

Not at all concerned with getting fired

Not even remotely likely, or a concern at all

[lucid echo]

Famous last words

[warm wharf]

Nah

worked for my current employer for over a decade

[magic heron]

I disagree with some of the roasting of peoples rooms in the latest ltt vid. living in share houses suck and people cant afford separate rooms which is why i think some people went with hamocks or beenbags to save space for the rest of their haven and loft beds (a bunk bed without the bottom bunk) and murphy beds (the fold up into the wall beds) can be expensive or hard to find. i went with a loft bed to save space since i cant afford to rent two rooms

the people i live with suck

[warm wharf]

It's not like I'm some 18 year old with no job experience.

[knotty oracle]

who wants thigh pics ?

[warm wharf]

I've got 2 masters degrees, worked for the same company for a decade, and make 180k a year.

[lucid echo]

Gosh you're so cool

[warm wharf]

I don't need some nitwit telling me that being pedantic is going to get me fired.

[magic heron]

nah being pedantic is important in many jobs just gotta find the one that suits

[lucid echo]

Yet here you are

[hollow zealot]

What's wrong with not having a master's degree

[lucid echo]

Not great for your social life, ya know, the other half of living

[warm wharf]

No one said anything is wrong with it.

[knotty oracle]

who wants thigh pics ?

[vivid pike]

how did they miss the gun just sitting on the desk right next to copious amounts of prescription drugs in setup 20?

like what

diss the wood walls, ignore the huge red flag lmao

[magic heron]

idk ive chimed in late to this convo so my context is lacking but even then you can find people that appreciate being pedantic just maybe not like the above which i havnt read so i cant say

[lucid echo]

Overall being pedantic is a very negative trait when socializing, enjoying it is an extreme outlier

[tawdry pecan]

I fear I'm going to lose my job as like everything in my life, my initial burst interest has faded, so now I lack the motivation to progress.

[magic heron]

idk could just be the autist in me but being padantic to not misunderstand or be misunderstood can be helpful. definitely has to be honed in though

[lucid echo]

Sounds like you got depression buddy, talk about this with a therapist if you have the means, a computer discord isn't gonna be able to help

[warm wharf]

It's also typically not a choice, at least not a conscious one.

[lucid echo]

Don't confuse being a pedant with being clear & concise. Correcting others for any small inaccuracy in their statements is just annoying

[hearty spear]

"Anything after 1hz is diminishing returns" is being consciously pedantic for no good reason

[warm wharf]

Being pedantic is largely a personality-trait, it's not something someone consciously does everytime they speak.

[lucid echo]

Hard disagree. When I was younger I used to correct people all the time, until a couple people pointed out that it's very rude. Over time I adjusted my behavior and caught myself before doing so. Now people like me more.

[magic heron]

that to me is just learning how to present it with better tone but im probably wrong here looking at the emoji react

[hearty spear]

occasionally being pedantic is needed. There are terms and saying that aren't clear enough to specificy what is being talked about adequately, at which point being more specific is needed.
Other times, it's being a dick.

[warm wharf]

You can disagree all you like, it's super common among people with any form of autism, including asperger's, I'm pretty sure people don't choose to be autistic.

[lucid echo]

That's completely unrelated to what I'm talking about. Not all autistic people are pedants and not all pedants are autistic

[magic heron]

just mask better /sarcasm 🤮

[tawdry pecan]

But how do you just help then? This has been a struggle I've had to deal with. Like I feel like I've gotten better, learned to ignore small things. But there's many times where I see someone having trouble or doing something wrong and I just want to throw up my hands and show them how it's done...

[hearty spear]

Practice. Be aware of what you're saying, and "generally" how it will be taken.
If what you're saying sounds anything like "Well, Actually...." you're going to be taken very poorly on a regular basis.

[lucid echo]

There's a balance that comes with practice and more social experience. You don't have to be entirely shut off from helping, but you should also avoid being overbearing. You can offer to help, but don't force it on someone

People learn better by figuring it out themselves rather than being constantly corrected along the way

[hearty spear]

And before anyone says anything:
Been there, done that, have the T-Shirt.
People skills take time, practice, and patience. Also, find some friends who aren't afraid to tell you "You're being a fuckin' dick. Stop that." when it's happening. It'll give you a lot more useful feedback to be aware of things.

[magic heron]

so i went back up and read it i thought the deminishing returns comment was funny. is that what started this whole pedantic conversation?

a techiniqely correct joke?

[hearty spear]

no, just one more line in a series of them.

It was the comment, however, that made me comment directly about the pedantism

[lucid echo]

If you're following up a joke with "but its technically correct" then you're bad at making jokes

[magic heron]

just like if you explain a joke then its no longer funny? i disagree with that

[tawdry pecan]

I've learned that, a lot of of the time now I'll just ask "are you sure? I thought it was this way....blah blah blah... I could be wrong though." people usually take that better

[lucid echo]

Explaining a joke can add to the humor in some instances, but generally it does not

[hearty spear]

If you have to explain a joke? It's not funny most of the time.

[lucid echo]

Only sith deal in absolutes

There is always nuance & exceptions

[hearty spear]

That sounds like something a sith would say.....

[magic heron]

did obi wan stutter

[lucid echo]

That can still be pretty rude, especially if they didn't ask for it at all (or don't appear interested in getting help)

[magic heron]

but people like to over explain which is also ok

all of these non social norms need to relax and shouldnt be attacked when they happen.

[hearty spear]

except that in society as a whole, social norms are VERY important to have

[lucid echo]

No one will attack you for being rude like that, but they'll be less likely to want to be around you

[magic heron]

yawn* some more than others and masking is exhausting

[hearty spear]

There's a lot of societal norms that are fuckin' stupid AF, and should be gone, but a society without them would be absolute chaos, and not in a good way

[magic heron]

people know thats why people mask

[lucid echo]

Mask?

[hearty spear]

WTF is your obsession with masking?

[magic heron]

oh god im leaving the chat

[lucid echo]

Legit never heard it used like that

[tawdry pecan]

I'll also add "it doesn't matter anyway" I guess I'm trying question what their saying instead of outright telling them they are wrong, and then not really pushing it further if they disagree.

[lucid echo]

A simple "lemme know if you want any help" is a lot better in most circumstances. Like I said, people learn best by making their own mistakes.

[hearty spear]

Or are you referring to wearing a mask to disguise one's personality or other aspect of oneself?

This is a time where being more specific is important, as "Masking" has been a big conversation piece related to the COV.

[magic heron]

nah i thought i had the spoons for this convo but i honestly dont (you can look up spoon theory). masking is the proper term that refers to what many nuruodivergent people do to survive and pass as neurotypical. Peace

[warm wharf]

He clearly meant mask as in, hide your disability

blend in, etc.

[lucid echo]

Wasn't sure if it was that or just "putting on a face" when socializing

[hearty spear]

S'all good. Spoonies need to watch their spoons. (Or spell slots, depending on how they're identifying them.)

[warm wharf]

Seems to mostly be the same IMO

Like either way it's saying, be someone else, blend in, etc.

[quiet kayak]

Ayy my setup got roasted in todays vid

[fluid ridge]

is that a flex

all of the setups in the video were janky as fuck except for the last one

[tawdry pecan]

masking is so exhausting

[fluid ridge]

eh

i thought masks fucking sucked but after 2 years you get used to them

now it feels weird without a mask on

[lucid echo]

Not that kind silly goose

[fluid ridge]

🗿 sorry my bad ignore everything i just said

[tawdry pecan]

yeah I ain't talking about covid masks, I have no problem with those 😛

[quiet kayak]

Yeah it is, it even made the thumbnail

[lucid echo]

Clean your room

[fluid ridge]

you the car enthusiast

🗿

[quiet kayak]

That's my living dining room, not my room

[quiet kayak]

Ya

[fluid ridge]

bruh

[lucid echo]

I'm gonna take a wild guess that your room doesn't look much better

[quiet kayak]

Honestly, significantly better, cause all my shit except for clothes and a few other things is on my desk

[lucid echo]

My advice still stands

Clean your (dining) room

[dawn sand]

Do I need to upgrade the firmware on the deathadder? When i try to I just get "connect your device" screen and even if I reconnect the mouse It doesnt detect it

[quiet kayak]

It's a fair bit cleaner now

[cursive condor]

لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله

حسبی ربی جل اللہ مافی قلبی

oops wrong server

but its still cool

even if u dont understand

it has a profound impact on me

[fallow zinc]

Guys question, i have an empty ram slot in my laptop, if I buy another one of the stock ram on my laptop, is it possible to plug both rams in?

[cursive condor]

yeah

i did that actually so it is

[magic heron]

rule 4 says no talking about religion. happy it had a good impact on you though. google translate is great

[fallow zinc]

Yeah, it’s crap laptop so the ram clock is 1600

DDR 3, should be fine

[cursive condor]

lol its the Qalima in arabic

its basically a decleration

[vapid smelt]

Most laptops don't allow xmp

[cursive condor]

also known as the shahdah

but nvm guys, how is life

[magic heron]

yea not the point still religous in nature and translation

[fallow zinc]

Wdym

[cursive condor]

yeah it is

i forgot the rules xd

[tawdry pecan]

my laptop has an option for XMP in the bios but the ram doesn't seem to have any profile 🤷

[vapid smelt]

Most laptops run the ram at it's lowest speed even if the ram is rated for higher

[fallow zinc]

So stinky

[vapid smelt]

Yup

[cursive condor]

any of you guys watch anime

[fallow zinc]

So like in theory I can overclock it

Just asking, if I put 2 ram sticks in there it will be fine?

[vapid smelt]

Like it ddr4 you might install a 3200mhz kit but it would run at 2133 or 2400

[fallow zinc]

It’s ddr3

[vapid smelt]

Yes in fact it might run better since it's now in dual channel

[fallow zinc]

I got a new ram as my old one might be failing

It’s pretty old

[tawdry pecan]

not entirely true, the ram could just be 3200mhz. I think a lot of laptop ram is like that, it doesn't even use XMP

[dawn sand]

How does the deathadder essential compare to the zowie ec2?

[fallow zinc]

Frequent screen freezes and graphic corruptions

And BSOD too

[tawdry pecan]

my laptop ram is just straight up 3200mhz CL22 no XMP

[vapid smelt]

While your in your laptops guts you might want to repaste it @fallow zinc

[fallow zinc]

Thermal paste?

[vapid smelt]

Yes

[fallow zinc]

Yeah I did that 3 days ago

[vapid smelt]

O nvm then

[fallow zinc]

But my new ram wasn’t here yet so I closed it back

Will open it back up once it’s there, makes it easier as I don’t have to go and poke around the cpu anymore

[cursive condor]

do mods usually get online here or no

[fallow zinc]

These old laptops don’t have a cpu heatspreader, meaning the thermal paste is directly touching the cores

[cursive condor]

btw guys any news sources you know for tech that are actually good

[fallow zinc]

Gets me nervous, anyways, plugging in a ram should be easy enough

[cursive condor]

except for techlinked lol

[vapid smelt]

They mostly hide in the shadows

[cursive condor]

dont they stay active or socialize here

i was thinking of making friends with them xD

like in other servers

[lucid echo]

They are active in the floatplane chat a lot

[vapid smelt]

In #pilot-toast they do

[cursive condor]

where

[lucid echo]

In the floatplane chat

[cursive condor]

i havent got floatplane subscription yet

[fallow zinc]

So do you think my ram might be dying

[lucid echo]

They are active in it as we speak lol

[vapid smelt]

Ram is hard to kill

[fallow zinc]

Like I said frequent freezes and graphics corruptions

[fallow zinc]

Aged?

[vapid smelt]

Ram is one of if not the strongest part of your PC

[fallow zinc]

The outer shell is 💀

So your theory is it’s not dying

[cursive condor]

guys

[vapid smelt]

It's possible

[cursive condor]

u all got the floatplain subscription

[vapid smelt]

Yup

[cursive condor]

bruh i havent

[vapid smelt]

I'm a OG fp sub

[cursive condor]

so i cant chat them their

[fallow zinc]

Yeah, when I was reapplying the thermal paste, I actually suspected that it’s the disk

[cursive condor]

dang do u talk to mods their

[fallow zinc]

But recent BSODs have error messages related to ram issues

That’s what leading to my theory rn

[vapid smelt]

Yes

[lucid echo]

That could be a red herring

[fallow zinc]

It’s dying isn’t it

Rams pretty old tbh

Like 7 years

[lucid echo]

Do you know what a red herring is

[fallow zinc]

A fish?

[lucid echo]

https://help.corsair.com/hc/en-us/articles/4413740029709-How-to-Run-Memtest86-to-check-for-RAM-faults

Running this will confirm whether your RAM is broke

It takes several hours

[fallow zinc]

Several hours?

Would 5 hours be enough?

[lucid echo]

Yeah should be shorter than that

It does several passes, you don't have to do all of them

[fallow zinc]

Damnit

Didn’t read but I need to clear CMOS?

[lucid echo]

Maybe if you read it, you'll know more

[cursive condor]

can u gift the subscription in floatplane or no

[lucid echo]

Not unless you like someone else knowing your credit card details

[fallow zinc]

Sounds complicated, will do it this weekend, still need the laptop for work

[vapid smelt]

No

[fallow zinc]

Weird

Then what could be the thing?

What about hdd?

How long do these things last

[hearty spear]

HDDs are very random, because of the moving parts

[cursive condor]

it could be the motherboard

[fallow zinc]

Saw that

[hearty spear]

anywhere from 1-3 years, on up to 5-10 or longer

[cursive condor]

that can be an issue

maybe some heating problems

[fallow zinc]

I’ve got a wd blue 500gig hdd

[cursive condor]

are causing ur pc to freeze

[hearty spear]

Great. Still Random.

[fallow zinc]

Laptops manufactured back in 2015

[cursive condor]

or it can simply be a driver or os issue

[fallow zinc]

So it’s passed the 5 years

[cursive condor]

menaing the software

[cursive condor]

did u check the drivers

[fallow zinc]

I’m kinda start to think back about my hdd dying theory

[fallow zinc]

Yes

[cursive condor]

i like ur name

[fallow zinc]

Idk

Memory test from f2 doesn’t show a hdd problem

Ran sfc scans and other scans

[lucid echo]

Have you tried a fresh windows install?

[fallow zinc]

No

Don’t have a thing that I can back my files up to

But I’ve tried to validate windows files

[hearty spear]

sign up for a new GMail and get 15GB?

[fallow zinc]

I’d rather get my 64 gb sd card lol

But yeah, I am actually suspecting a hardware issue

As every time I knock on it, screen goes bruh

Freezes or graphics corrupts

[cursive condor]

potato potato!

waku waku

[fallow zinc]

So what do you think, should I get a same hdd#

And swap the disk and see if that’s the issue

[lucid echo]

Is it a disk drive or SSD?

[fallow zinc]

Hdd

[lucid echo]

Get an SSD

[fallow zinc]

Yeah, the same hdd drive comes in 8 usd brand new

[lucid echo]

Have you used CrystalDiskInfo to see if the drive has any bad sectors

[fallow zinc]

Boot time painfully slow af

[lucid echo]

Don't get that. Get an SSD.

[fallow zinc]

I have not

[lucid echo]

That's an easy check to do

[fallow zinc]

I’m not a tech geek, not sure if that’s gonna cause problems

Like, it’s laptop, what if it doesn’t fit

[lucid echo]

It will only make everything better

It's a universal 2.5in standard

And one of the best upgrades you can give an old laptop. Do that before getting new RAM

[fallow zinc]

Extra ram won’t hurt

[lucid echo]

Correct, but an SSD will provide more immediate benefits and is a higher-priority upgrade

It will feel like a brand-new computer

[fervent junco]

what this dude said

[fallow zinc]

I know that one

But from my experiences of opening up my laptop, I think they have a special mount that holds the disk

Might have to design and 3D print a bracket if it’s really needed

[cursive condor]

no need

[lucid echo]

All laptops have a special mount to hold the drive, but all laptop drives are the same exact size

[fallow zinc]

Universal?

[cursive condor]

just get a 2.5 ssd it always fits in

[cursive condor]

yeah its all univeral

[fallow zinc]

That’s convent

[cursive condor]

bro i can an nvme ssd on my laptop

[echo ridge]

?

[cursive condor]

its literally so good

the best upgrade

[fallow zinc]

So if I just swap hdd to ssd I can get away without tweaking any settings?

[cursive condor]

i used to have a harddrive only

[cursive condor]

u will ofc lose ur data and os tho

[fallow zinc]

Plug and play?

[cursive condor]

u can easily get a windows 10 usb disk

[fallow zinc]

That’s okay for me

[cursive condor]

u can clone the drive

[cursive condor]

bro

[fallow zinc]

I may just back up my data to google drive

[lucid echo]

You'll have to create a fresh install. Your old drive can keep its data and you can get an adapter to plug it in with USB and transfer data

[lucid echo]

Bad advice. Do not clone the drive. Ever

[cursive condor]

the boot time in ssd is like 3 to 4 seconds

[fallow zinc]

Yeah I didn’t take that seriously

[cursive condor]

what

[lucid echo]

🙄

[fallow zinc]

What if there are viruses in there that’s causing this whole chaos

[lucid echo]

Cloning is just a risky procedure that doesn't really save you much time

[fallow zinc]

May not even be hardware and now you are cloning it to the new stuff

[lucid echo]

There are lots of complications around it

[fallow zinc]

As a gamer I’ll just back up my worlds onto google drive

[cursive condor]

true just backup the important data ig

[fallow zinc]

Don’t think I have any important files locally

[lucid echo]

The old drive can exist as an external backup

[fallow zinc]

Need an adopter?

[lucid echo]

Yeah they're cheap

[fallow zinc]

Can you post a picture of it?

Is it usb to sata?

[cursive condor]

bro in hardddrives it used to take proper 3 to 5 minutes to boot up properly

and in ssd its below 10 seconds

[fallow zinc]

I know that one

[lucid echo]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GLL41MA/ref=ewc_pr_img_2?smid=A1683W8HSNOXQZ&psc=1

I have this one

[cursive condor]

yee

[fallow zinc]

Weird, not sure if my new laptop have a ssd but it boots in 5 secs

I don’t think it said it’s ssd when buying

[cursive condor]

i tried to get itbut the hardrive properly got some moisture

[lucid echo]

https://www.amazon.com/BENFEI-Drive-Adapter-Cable-Compatible/dp/B07F7WDZGT/ref=sr_1_1_sspa

[cursive condor]

i dont think it will work

[lucid echo]

You can get unpowered ones for even cheaper

[lucid echo]

Every laptop of the last 5 years boots with an SSD

[fallow zinc]

I think it’s unpowered, as for my laptop, some hdd pins aren’t being used

[fallow zinc]

So like 100%?

[cursive condor]

not all

[lucid echo]

No I mean the cable. Your hard drive is powered

[fallow zinc]

That’s why it’s damn fast

[cursive condor]

i got my laptop without ssd

[fallow zinc]

Imagine hdd booting in 5 secs

[cursive condor]

and its new

[fallow zinc]

Cold dark to desktop

[cursive condor]

lmao

[fallow zinc]

How longs the boot

[finite cloud]

impossible

[cursive condor]

exactly

[fallow zinc]

That’s probably ssd on my laptop then (new one)

Don’t think the salesman said it was ssd but hey I’m taking it

[austere hemlock]

what laptop is it?

[fallow zinc]

Hp pavilion

[lucid echo]

Extreme exception

[cursive condor]

not true

[lucid echo]

??

[cursive condor]

i have seen so many laptops with hdd only

[lucid echo]

In recent years?

[cursive condor]

even today

[lucid echo]

Can you link one?

[fallow zinc]

Lmao

[cursive condor]

yeah

[austere hemlock]

Stores selling laptops without drive/ssd? not common, i cant find anyone in my country

[hearty spear]

Any currently produced PC should ship with a SSD for the primary drive. (It may be shit, but it's a SSD)

[lucid echo]

Care to share an example?

[cursive condor]

bro i can send many

https://www.paklap.pk/hp-250-g8-intel-celeron-laptop-notebook-price-reviews-pakistan-lahore-karachi-islamabad.html its my local website

[fallow zinc]

No wait

[hearty spear]

If they're selling old stuff? It could easily be HDD still, but anything current should be SSD

[fallow zinc]

It is ssd, 16 gigs ddr4 ram

[austere hemlock]

@fallow zinc you know model nr?

[cursive condor]

it says optional ssd

meaning it can be added later

[fallow zinc]

Uh 15 eh1123au probably

[cursive condor]

take my laptop as an example

[austere hemlock]

that is option for 2nd drive

[cursive condor]

i got without an ssd

[austere hemlock]

there still is the main

[cursive condor]

what

[lucid echo]

Bro, that laptop is over 5 years old

[fallow zinc]

The specs said it’s ssd with ddr4 16 gigs

[cursive condor]

oh what