Virtual Destinations not showing up [TSW6Editor]

[foggy sparrow]

Hi everyone,

Thanks again for assisting me when I moved to the TSW6 editor. My timetable is fully working and all 202 services are currently able to be fully completed. I am also able to succesfully cook the mod now in the TSW6 editor. Everything works good so far, but I am looking at one particular issue: I have added a number of virtual destinations in both the original StationDirectory (ZwolleGroningen) and I copied over the StationDirectory and added it in my project folder (plugins/dlc/awake24/Scenery/Stations/StationDirectory is in there), I have added the custom stations in both of them, but whatever I try, they are not showing up in-game.

I placed a custom virtual destination as the final destination on purpose to see whether it would work, but the PIS screen remains blank and the train says 'Do Not Board' on the destination window.

What am I missing here? Both of the files have that little layer icon, meaning it's adjusted. And yes, my plugin folder is now in the plugins/DLC folder as it should.

See photo's. I would appreciate if someone could help me!

Second question: is it possible to show the arrival times for virtual destinations on the screens? I thought I had it working at some point, but whatever I try it refuses to work

[hardy comet]

As far as I know (happy to be proved wrong) your modded station directory would need to be done the "classic" modding way by actively replacing the existing one, ideally in a different .pak file. You would perfectly need to recreate the directory structure of the original one.

The way I would do this is that I extract the original station directory and plugin file from the original pak of the route. Then I would move the original route out of the DLC directory (so the editor doesn't load it) and then I would be able to add the "new" (in your case ZwolleGroningen) plugin (that was extracted before) that only contains the StationDirectory.

I think there is another way by keeping your stuff in editor the same as you have it but then you would need to recreate the original directory structure again, move the cooked asset there and change paths inside the cooked asset (I heard that's possible through UAssetGUI but I've never done that).

[foggy sparrow]

Sounds promising! I'll get into this later today! tysm

[hardy comet]

sorry if the instructions aren't too clear, it's quite confusing to explain when you don't know how much the other person knows about modding already

get back to me if you need further help

[foggy sparrow]

I think I understand, creating a new mod and plugin, recreate the exact folder structure and copy over the stationdirectory. Then i'll try to cook it into a pak and place it in the dlc. check if it works, if it doesnt, ill try to move out the original DLC out of the DLC folder

[hardy comet]

you won't be able to create ZwolleGroningen as a plugin if it already exists (because of the original DLC)

and better keep replacing existing assets in a different pak from your new content

[foggy sparrow]

Yeah, so every time I want to replace something, make a new mod basically.

[hardy comet]

you can bundle replacements for the same plugin in one pak I guess (if they make sense together)

[foggy sparrow]

Allright!

tysm so far, i will get back hopefully later today if it works

[hardy comet]

but also I'm a little out of the loop with how much the public editor evolved in the last years so there could be a more efficient way to do it

(but one can always try to find more efficient options when you got it to work in the first place 😉 )

[foggy sparrow]

I have tried most of the options I have thus far, I tried this way, I tried making a whole new route definition, with relinking everything and a completely new stationdirectory, I was kind of running out of options hahaha, so this one makes the most sense and I think it should/could work. At this moment idc really about efficiency, as long as it works lmao 😛

at this point I am stuck at the same step for a month already

Will get back soon if it works ⚡

[hardy comet]

If you do it correctly this should 99% work somehow, wouldn’t see why not, made countless station directory mods before myself.

[foggy sparrow]

Yep, logic-wise this makes a lot of sense

[foggy sparrow]

Unfortunately it didnt work, I made a new plugin and mod with only the folder Scenery > Stations and placed the copy of the stationDirectory in there. I added a contentmanifest in there as well and removed the link with the stationdirectory in the original mod. Theyre named the same. I cooked both, and placed the paks in the DLC folder, i get the same, nothing shows up on PIS and the side of the train still says do not board.

Tried moving the GR-zw dlc out of the DLC folder, then it was unable to find the route ingame

[hardy comet]

So first of all the pak should only contain the StationDirectory asset and nothing more, maybe an additional empty AssetRegistry if problems arise (like duplicated TTs or stuff like that). And then is the path exactly this? TS2Prototype/Plugins/DLC/ZwolleGroningen/Content/Scenery/Stations/ZwolleGroningenStationDirectory.uasset

you can also send me the .pak with the StationDirectory and I can check it myself if you want

[foggy sparrow]

Yeah that is the path in the original Zwolle Groningen route that one is correct, will try again with only the stationdirectory asset, and if that doesnt work i will add a empty assetregistry, brb

[hardy comet]

Yeah that is the path in the original Zwolle Groningen route
but is that also the exact path in your pak?

I would recommend to put the empty AssetRegistry right away in the TS2Prototype directory

[foggy sparrow]

? What do you mean? Do I have to place the paks in the zwolle groningen directory? Not in DLC?

I have a separate plugin/mod entry for both the timetable now and the stationdirectory, I cooked them both and placed them in the same DLC folder as where the route is

[hardy comet]

yeah the DLC folder is fine, I'm talking about the folder structure inside the pak

what does your plugin look like for the StationDirectory inside the editor?

[foggy sparrow]

Ok so the main folder is of course the StationDirectory content folder, then Scenery, Then Stations and the ZwolleGroningenStationDirectory is in there, same name

[hardy comet]

the plugin has to be named ZwolleGroningen

otherwise you won't override the original asset

[hardy comet]

that's why I emphasised the path here

[hardy comet]

and for you to be able to create that plugin I don't think there is a way around temporarily moving the original DLCs pak file away from your DLC directory

[foggy sparrow]

Doesn't work. I moved the DLC pak away, so there is no ZwolleGroningen content folder, I made a new plugin, copied over the Scenery and Station folder with the StationDirectory in there, but every time when I open the mod manager the editor crashes

I called it ZwolleGroningen

[hardy comet]

that's odd (the mod manager crashing)

[foggy sparrow]

I just placed the dlc back, removed all mods, took the dlc out again and now gonna try again

Now it works, but I am not sure what to put in the dlcdependencies

[hardy comet]

nothing I guess

but this is with the original ZwolleGroningen in your DLC folder right? this would try to cook the whole DLC then

[foggy sparrow]

No I took it out of the DLC folder

Now I have a ZwolleGroningen.pak

[hardy comet]

ah alright so this is your own ZwolleGroningen?

[foggy sparrow]

Yep

[hardy comet]

with only the StationDirectory?

[foggy sparrow]

Yes, its like 7kb

It has the Scenery folder, in there Stations, in there the StationDirectory

[hardy comet]

sounds good, ideally you would clean up the files and then remake the pak with only the station directory in there but you could try it with the premade pak

[foggy sparrow]

So no Scenery > Stations > StationDirectory file? Then probably the game doesnt know what to replace right?

[hardy comet]

with clean up I meant remove all but this one 😄

as I suppose your files would look similar to this now with a bit of fluff?

.uplugin, .ugc, Metadata, AssetRegistry would all need to be removed as I don't know what effects it would have if you override those of the original dlc too

[foggy sparrow]

But I have a pak already, i am a bit confnused now, what did i cook the pak for

[hardy comet]

you can try it with the pak but I'm not sure this will be without issues

[foggy sparrow]

Couldn't I just put it in a pak? I am planning to release this timetable

[hardy comet]

what exactly?

[foggy sparrow]

The stationDirectory in a pak and the timetable in another pak, throw both in the dlc folder and boom it works?

[hardy comet]

yeah that's the idea

[foggy sparrow]

Right, allright

[hardy comet]

I just think you need to clean up a few of the files from the StationDirectory pak so you don't override for example the .uplugin file of the original DLC

[foggy sparrow]

Ok, I took the ugc, ugplin, assetregistry and metadata out

[hardy comet]

because you can add or remove files freely from the ModStaging > Files and then rebuild your pak with this .bat file

[foggy sparrow]

Ok so thats the next step after removing all the ugc/uplugin, assetregistry

[hardy comet]

yeah

[foggy sparrow]

Rebuilt

[hardy comet]

and either that works without issues right away or you would add an empty asset registry at the ModStaging\Files\TS2Prototype position

[foggy sparrow]

Yeah it worked I think, after 3 seconds the bat went away and modified 19:32 it said

the file

[hardy comet]

no I meant without issues in the game

[foggy sparrow]

I have to redo everything in a second, I forgot to move the plugin to the DLC folder before cooking it the first time

[hardy comet]

yeah that's a classic, shame that I missed that earlier when you showed your files 😄

[foggy sparrow]

Allright i added a folder now its plugin/dlc/ZwolleGroningen and rebuilt, how would I add the asset registry?

[hardy comet]

unzip this and just put it in ModStaging\Files\TS2Prototype

Discord does not allow me to send a 0 byte file so I had to zip it

[foggy sparrow]

Ok its in there 😄

[hardy comet]

looks good, want to show me the ZwolleGroningen and Content folders below to make sure?

[foggy sparrow]

rebuild?

Ok

There are no other files in there

Also not in other folders

[hardy comet]

nice

then rebuild and try in game

hope it works 🙂

[foggy sparrow]

So I rebuild, place back the DLC, and then put the pack in the DLC folder as well?

[hardy comet]

yeah same as your timetable

[foggy sparrow]

can i rename the pakfile? or must it be ZwolleGroningen

[hardy comet]

oh it should deifnitely be something else 😄

[foggy sparrow]

Yeah i figured ok hahahah

[hardy comet]

afaik pak file name is completely irrelevant except for loading order

so it would need to be a string smaller than the original Zwolle - Groningen file

also just for awareness you are now replacing the StationDirectory for Zwolle - Groningen, I hope this is the original plus some extra stuff and not just the additional destinations you need?

[foggy sparrow]

No ofc its the original, I haven't touched it. It's the original one plus the additional destinations

I haven't changed any of the IDs too

[hardy comet]

oh I forgot one important step, you likely won't have passengers on the route anymore but first try and see if it works regardless

[foggy sparrow]

It works now! Will check if people board the train in a sec. Is it normal that the arrival times I set in the timetable are not showing up on the in-train screens? I thought I was able to get this to work, I did give it a arrival time and a passenger destination the virtual destinations

[hardy comet]

I don't think this ever worked for virtual destinations sadly, tried it a few years ago and had the same problem

[foggy sparrow]

Allright

Gonna check in-game if people board the train, back in a sec

In Groningen no people spawning, I will drive to one or two stations see if people board

Could maybe be because its early, trains are full though

[hardy comet]

yeah no it's likely broken

somewhere down the line (either by cooking or before) the station directory will have lost these references

at cook time they need to be present

[foggy sparrow]

I have to add this?

and rebuild?

[hardy comet]

add them to your own ZwolleGroningen plugin at the correct place, re cook, clean up (now remove them too from cooked files) and the rebuild

oh and check if your asset still contains them in the editor after adding, if not add them yourself or remake the modded asset by getting the original one and readding your new destinations

sorry I forgot that step

(or maybe you have a backup of your asset from the editor before we started this)

[foggy sparrow]

You mean the stationdirectory? Its still in modstaging

[hardy comet]

no not the cooked one, the one from the editor

those six are the ones you need

[hardy comet]

you will move those to ZwolleGroningen still right?

if yes they look fine

[foggy sparrow]

Yeah, I just copied them over to this mod folder now, I am gonna add all the virtual destinations first so that I wont have to go through this horror again xD

Once i finish that I will move the dlc away again, make another zwollegroningen plugin and do the whole thing over again

[hardy comet]

asking for a friend but does your station directory incidentally include Duivendrecht and Amsterdam RAI? 😅

[hardy comet]

hopefully it's more straight forward next time when you know what to do

[foggy sparrow]

I swear this editor is gonna be the death of me

But I understand it now hahaha

[hardy comet]

yeah sadly it's not made for replacement mods

so you have to get creative to make them

[foggy sparrow]

It doesnt include amsterdam rai and duivendrecht at the moment

[hardy comet]

I get why people choose the route to just cook the assets they want to replace in their custom plugin and modify the path inside the file afterwards but I don't have any experience with that

[hardy comet]

would you mind to add them? I could use them for my scenario and save myself the hassle to make another station directory mod when I can just point the people to yours

[foggy sparrow]

Sure, you need the uasset file?

or the pak?

[hardy comet]

no thanks if you know how you can put whatever you want in the virtual destinations

[hardy comet]

I would take that as soon as you are finished so I can check if we missed something

[foggy sparrow]

ofc, no problem. I am gonna clean for a bit, I hope within now and 2 hours to have everything fixed and then i'll put the stationdirectory pak in here

will probably be faster than that

[hardy comet]

but for future reference: you can just copy any destination and then you have something like this in your clipboard
(Identifier=(Identifier="Utrecht Centraal"))
you can then paste that to any text editor you like and make for example
(Identifier=(Identifier="Duivendrecht"))
out of it and then copy it and paste it in the respective field in the editor

[foggy sparrow]

Urgh, you're right, I can just open the uasset file in Visual Studio Code

[hardy comet]

nah that doesn't work

this is inside the editor

[hardy comet]

saves you the hassle of having the station directory ready for this moment so you can select it from the drop down

and prepare the station directory later separately

[foggy sparrow]

Where do i paste that identifier in the editor

[hardy comet]

one sec

[hardy comet]

but just be aware that this entry would still need to exist in the station directory

but this way I could add the destination for my scenario without needing to get your asset in my editor

[foggy sparrow]

Aaaaah like so

[hardy comet]

you can do many more things like this with copying and editing your clipboard

[foggy sparrow]

Here is the station directory! I hope it's good!

Included Duivendrecht, Amsterdam RAI and al lot of other stations

[hardy comet]

does it work fine for you with passengers?

[foggy sparrow]

I did this first, I added the alighting and other probabilities. The stations show up in the timetable but I have to resimulate the timetable so I hope to see more in 30 mins

[hardy comet]

oh so you can / should remove the Passengers stuff from the pak

I don't think this would have issues right away but you never know

and it's definitely not needed

[foggy sparrow]

But, you told me to add the probability items

They're in the passengers folder

[hardy comet]

they have to be there inside the editor and for cooking

so the references don't break

but you don't have to distribute them

[foggy sparrow]

Ok, so delete them and rebuild?

[hardy comet]

yeah

[foggy sparrow]

Got it, one sec

there we go

[hardy comet]

what's that project you are making btw?

[foggy sparrow]

Custom timetable for the Zwolle-Groningen line, 24 hours timetable, with more types of services, adding the missing arriva services in groningen, blauwnet in zwolle, etc some qol improvements, adding dedicated shunting and coupling services (missing in the original timetable)

[hardy comet]

ah nice, thought about doing something like this too but maybe no need anymore

[foggy sparrow]

Currently at 202 services so far, still a whole lot to go xD

[hardy comet]

did you fix the Assen services?

[foggy sparrow]

Platform 2? I gave it a 24 hour IC service every 30 minutes. Groningen - Haren - Assen

[hardy comet]

so this looks perfect now, good work, shouldn't have any problems

[hardy comet]

oh so you are doing a fictional one?

[foggy sparrow]

Yeah combination of fictional services and real life services

[hardy comet]

but yeah in the original TT the services terminating at Pl. 2 use the wrong line in the end of the service

[foggy sparrow]

I also added a Intercity Direct service, direct service from Groningen to Zwolle, but also intercity services (the regular ones) sprinter ones, multiple sprinter services with IC material (in the og timetable only 2 times a day at 05 o clock and 11pm)

[hardy comet]

if you don't add additional go vias that's what always happens when you route from Haren to Assen Pl. 2

[foggy sparrow]

How I made them was: leave from Groningen, call in Haren, stop at the end of platform 2. unload for 2 minutes, walk to the other side of the train, drive the train back to the front of the platform, and then the service ends and then you open the doors, ready to return

Which line? I know around assen it moves to the left side of the railroad, thats normal, because the right side can only reach platform 1

[hardy comet]

no the right side can reach platform 2 too

[foggy sparrow]

Let me check real quick how I made them

[hardy comet]

and the one cabride I found does exactly that (and it makes more sense to me) but I haven't found any other source

[foggy sparrow]

Yeah mine goes from the left side, will add it on the to-do list before I release the next version 😛

[hardy comet]

interested to see this someday, the route could use some fresh wind, even if it's partly fictional as the services that are there don't offer the most variety

[foggy sparrow]

Yeah, thats why I made a few different ones, like Intercity direct from groningen to zwolle, without any calls, kind of interesting to play maybe once or twice to go past assen at high speed or smth like that. Groningen - Meppel platform 1 (revival of the old leeuwarden - meppel ic), different virtual destinations, addition of the arriva services etc

Also maybe some freight trains to control, should be more stuff to do in general

[hardy comet]

could make a Vectrons ervices with IC coaches

is the Vectron still limited to 100 km/h in the Netherlands?

[foggy sparrow]

Yeah I was thinking of combining the DB double deckers because the ZWGR line doesnt come with these and maybe paint them in blue-yellow and add those kinds of coaches on there. Also I will make a few arriva services playable with diesel trains until europapark.

Not sure about the vectron though 😛 how fast it can go

because platform 1 and 2 at europapark don't do anything atm

[hardy comet]

if you do those more special things on separate layers palyers who don't want it can always disable it

[foggy sparrow]

yeah thats what i was planning to do 😛

i didnt wanna force the double deckers

[foggy sparrow]

Thank you so much, really. It all works like a charm now. I do have to say I have never seen this many people get off the train at Europapark at 6am 😂 But everything works great! tysm! I saw a few people boarding the train in Groningen and the game spawns npc's again

[foggy sparrow]

little bit of gameplay