Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[rustic charm]

How good is it?

I see it's early access

So obviously won't be perfect

[reef isle]

better than the 720 IMO

[rustic charm]

That's neat already

[reef isle]

obviously it's not as good as the big paywares

https://store.x-plane.org/VFW-Fokker-614-XP12_p_2133.html

but like... I don't think it's a lot worse than this 😅

[rustic charm]

Having the 614 for 12 would be cool

Such a funky plane

[tardy hedge]

also never knew this but the toliss a320 does come with weather radar... dont know how i didnt know

[reef isle]

I have it in 11, and it was fun

feels like a huge waste of money to buy it again for 12

but knowing myself I absolutely will do it

[rustic charm]

Like, whoever thought to mount the engines on top of the wings is a weird person, and we appreciate that

[reef isle]

I did read into it a bit

apparently they had all the advantages of tail mounted engines as far as FOD ingestion goes, without the additional weight needed to make the fuselage stronger to support the egines' weight

and they also had the added benefit that it shielded the ground from a lot of the engine noise, so it was reasonably quiet for the era

[rustic charm]

What if fuel pumps fail though

[reef isle]

the big downside was that the airflow at the engines pylons was messy and that was one of the big elements that limited the plane's speed to M 0.65

I think Honda managed to fix that using the magic of modern aerodynamics modelling and the HJet uses this very same design and can actually go at normal jet speeds 😄

[rustic charm]

No way, .65

So

[reef isle]

yes... it's V E R Y slow

[rustic charm]

Someone actually beat the Yak-40 in being the slowest

[reef isle]

to be fair to it, it was supposed to be a DC-3 replacement, so in that sense it's extremely quick

[rustic charm]

I mean, the Yak-40 was a Li-2 replacement too

[reef isle]

Basically Concorde

[rustic charm]

And Li-2 is literally the DC-3 produced in the USSR with the license from Douglas

Which yeah, is surprising that the USSR had a licence to produce an American plane, but also it makes sense cause iirc it was granted during WWII

[reef isle]

well I mean they were allies until pretty much the end of WWII

[rustic charm]

Yeah

Well, from the beginning of WWII until the end of WWII

Before the war they weren't allies either XD

[reef isle]

Yes definitely ahahah

[hollow oracle]

banana plane

[reef isle]

https://flightsim.to/addon/79892/tfdi-md11-ge-pax-alitalia-old-1994-1996-i-dupc-8k
https://flightsim.to/addon/79530/tfdi-md11-ge-pax-alitalia-team-1998-2002-i-dupb-8k
https://flightsim.to/addon/77633/tfdi-md11-ge-pax-alitalia-2001-2003-i-dupd

I have updated the thumbnail, description and short description, I'd very much appreciate if you could take a look and maybe share some feedback?

(if you don't want/can't be bothered/have better things to do that's perfectly reasonable; don't feel forced)

[rustic charm]

The thumbnails are nice imo

The descriptions are on point too

[civic aspen]

Last part of the Milk Run! From PAJN to PANC

[rustic charm]

Nice nice

[civic aspen]

That’s been it so far.. xD

[rustic charm]

Anchorage centre is online on vatsim?

Impossible

I think that's the first time I've seen anything in Alaska lol

Flying the Finnish flag tonight

Tanks are full for this trip

And I mean that as in 100% filled

Flaps 25, Vr? Still 172

In half of the other planes to get a Vr of 172 you'd need a flaps up takeoff lol

Kinda climbing

But barely

[civic aspen]

Must be feeling funny

[rustic charm]

Almost was gonna log on, but realised they'd probably log out by the time I reach Alaska

[civic aspen]

He's been on for agessss lol

[rustic charm]

"Time online: 5:53"

Wow

Either way I'll only reach Alaska in around 8-9 hours

[civic aspen]

5:41 for me lol

[rustic charm]

And my route over Alaska is... barely in Alaska

[rustic charm]

Sunrise

The local time is 3:20am btw

The joys of north

[civic aspen]

Aaaand that's the milk run done!

Online for 6 hours that's crazy lol

[rustic charm]

Very nice

"Morning" here

Up in the always-bright area now, no night at this longitude

At least not in summer

The route takes me up to 89.5 degrees north

[civic aspen]

Still need to pick that up

[rustic charm]

And it died somewhere over the north

Gonna have to do one of these routes overday instead cause I doubt it's a coincidence that I try doing such routes in 2 different planes, one of which has literally never given me problems, and both lose the AP while flying in very far north

[reef isle]

True Heading?

Does it switch automatically?

[full plank]

Oh yea speaking of a real time flight I did, one of the EIN pond hops I did was flown as close to actual RW departure time as possible

Which meant a 03:30 am wake up my time to land it

It was grim, but fun

[rustic charm]

Well the lat nav is handled by LNAV the whole way, so I don't think it should affect much?

It might though so idk

I will re-start it right now, which means I'll be able to monitor the flight for the most part

Interestingly the 777 only gave up after crossing out of the "off map" space (I call it that because all the 2D maps only go from 85 degrees south to 85 degrees north, so anything more extreme than that is left out)

The MD-11 did it while flying within that area, so I didn't even really know where exactly it failed

[dusty sky]

Smash, next question

[rustic charm]

Ahem what

Look we all like planes here, but I think there should be some limits to how much you love aviation

[dusty sky]

You heard me

[dusty sky]

Lmao

I want the md-11 so bad

Not on msfs tho I think my PC would actually explode

[rustic charm]

Well, I think it's cheaper in XP too?

At least if you buy only 1 of the variants

[reef isle]

Only cargo in XP

IIRC

[dusty sky]

No there's pax as well

[reef isle]

Yep

But as a mod

Right?

[dusty sky]

No

[reef isle]

The actual product is Rotate MD11 Freighter no?

I just checked, did I get bamboozled?

[dusty sky]

There's rotate md11 passenger

[dusty sky]

By you yes

[reef isle]

Oh that's nice then 😄

Aaaah yes you're right

I'm a big idiot

Hahah sorry

[rustic charm]

They released the pax one officially not too long ago

[reef isle]

Ah I must have missed that

[rustic charm]

Rude Romania

[dusty sky]

I agree

[rustic charm]

Don't be rude

Being rude is mean

[rustic charm]

The keyboard I need

[dusty sky]

I mean what are you missing

Except for shift

And maybe capslock but who uses that anyway

[rustic charm]

Ctrl

Tab

[dusty sky]

.

[rustic charm]

Alt

[dusty sky]

You got me there

[rustic charm]

It's happening

I'm about to cross the edge of the world

[dusty sky]

Where are you flying bro

The moon?

[rustic charm]

Tokyo actually

[dusty sky]

Close enough right?

[rustic charm]

Ehh... Mt. Everest would be closer to the moon than Tokyo is tbh

(Cause you know.... tall... so if you're at the peak, you're closer to the moon, yeah? I know, a very good joke)

[dusty sky]

💀

[rustic charm]

This route can only be described with 1 gif

https://tenor.com/1wjI.gif

[rustic charm]

So it looks like the problems on the previous attempt of this flight, as well as the 777 delivery attempt, were in fact caused by the plane remaining in magnetic heading

[reef isle]

Very very tangential

But I wanted to use my numpad to enter INS coordinates.

But mobiflight doesn't accept keyboard inputs 🙁

[rustic charm]

Aaand

That's the flight scrapped

Apparently FS20 just doesn't do polar flights lol

[reef isle]

Yay 😄

Are you sure it's not a manual toggle?

Because yes LNAV will make sure to follow the flight plan

[rustic charm]

It is manual, but fact is, in the end, it actually has nothing to do with the issues

[reef isle]

But LNAV still uses magnetic heading

[reef isle]

Oh

[rustic charm]

It seems like Asobo just fucked up anything above N85

I assume below S85 too

[reef isle]

Really?

[rustic charm]

Yep

Firstly, the closer you get to the pole, the worse the performance gets

The sim just doesn't know how to process this kind of location

Then the plane also just starts swaying side to side, and you literally can't stop it

I even turned off the AP, correcting manually does nothing

From the posts online it feels like FS24 might've fixed the problem

Oh also, external camera is broken in such areas too, I have no idea why but above N85 your drone camera will automatically keep constantly moving up

[dusty sky]

Then why could I fly a 747-8

[reef isle]

Ah yes

I'd think that the drone camera would be even worse

[rustic charm]

How far north did you go

Cause below N85 for me everything was perfectly fine

[dusty sky]

Uh

1 sec

N80

Maybe

Route possibly changed with the airac update

[rustic charm]

N80 would work fine

I've been at like

83, around there

Absolutely fine

[dusty sky]

What flights is bro doing

[rustic charm]

And today the issues only started after N85

[rustic charm]

For N83 it was Paine - Moscow

[dusty sky]

My guy is doing anything but actual flights I swear

[rustic charm]

So for the polar flights, my options are XP and FS24

Does XP have a DC-10

Cause that tbf would be more appropriate

[dusty sky]

Nyet

[rustic charm]

This route is only flown now since 2022, and before that it was only until late 1991 to avoid Russian/Soviet airspace

Finnair had 1 MD-11 in 1991, and it started service before the end of the USSR, so technically it could've done this route

But DC-10s did actually fly it in reality

[dusty sky]

Wait for the aero dynamics

Well I was gonna ping someone but they left the server 😭

[dusty sky]

Get a tarom bro hurry up

[rustic charm]

What would I do with Tarom

[dusty sky]

Fly

Crazy I know

[reef isle]

No

Your only hope for a DC-10 is the Aero Dynamics for Flight Sim

Or FSX/P3D

[rustic charm]

Yeah, fair...

[reef isle]

I know that some people here are just as mentally ill passionate about aviation as me and @rustic charm and so that'd be very trivial

If you're not quite sure, try to guess if this is a MAX or a 737-800 with Split Scimitar Winglets. There are at least 4 elements that give it away 🙂

[hollow oracle]

https://fixvx.com/Turbinetraveler/status/2054227367388717250?s=20

Turbine Traveller (@Turbinetraveler)

MD-11 stall test footage with the horizontal stabilizers hanging on for dear life, set to that classic 1980s corporate synthesizer soundtrack… absolute perfection.

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · May 12, 2026, 3:49 PM

https://tenor.com/view/thats-hot-busted-nut-gif-21810567

god i love that aircraft

[hollow oracle]

max, right? that style of split scimitar is only on the max's afaik, and the APU exhaust is a MAX as well

[reef isle]

Let's see if someone else wants to guess 🙂

[rustic charm]

Well the winglet itself doesn't feel like an NG

Now mind that I really haven't looked into MAXs much

[reef isle]

Anyone disagrees?

[hollow oracle]

i feel like the big twist here is that its an NG

[reef isle]

Hmmmmmmm...

[dusty sky]

Lmao my tik tok page

"the test scanner seeing I associated with the A320 checklist"

[reef isle]

Oh well..

Yes, it was a MAX

I was just messing with you a bit hahah

You can tell because of the APU Exhaust shape, the winglet shape (as you pointed out), some more obscure ones, the writing I "redacted" was just "Boeing 737 MAX8" and that writing there is usually a lot more common on the MAXes than NGs, and Norwegian has no -800s with SSW 🙂

You're too good 😛

[rustic charm]

Tbf for me it was more of a "Well this doesn't look right, so must be a MAX" XD

[dusty sky]

[reef isle]

Absolutely coward
(Joking)

[rustic charm]

About the writing, I didn't know it was more common on ones than on the others

Aeroflot has it on all planes I'm pretty sure

[dusty sky]

Do you need a trusted adult

[hollow oracle]

i have an even better one, is this a B-29 or TU-4

[reef isle]

It might be a trap... But red 01 and long string of number makes me lean towards Tu-4

[reef isle]

Some airlines have it on all planes

I think for example Ryanair has the MAX writing but not the -800 writing there I think?

But I might need to double check

I just associate that writing there more with the MAX

Or maybe RYR doesn't have it at all

I'll double check later when I'm at home

[dusty sky]

It's a tu-4 cuz it doesn't have a woman on it

[rustic charm]

True lol

Also

The font gives it away

Same font AFL used on their jets up until they got rid of the last Soviet ones

At least I'm pretty sure it is

I'm not the best at recognising fonts

[rustic charm]

Sad

And I broke it again...

Really seem to struggle with not giving it too much thrust

[dusky leaf]

Trying not to hit those posts brought me out in a sweat 😅

[rustic charm]

The thrust system doesn't even want to tell me the takeoff EPR with a derate... Every other mode I select (TO, GA, MCT, CL, CR) all appropriately give me an EPR setting to follow. But as soon as I select TO FLEX the panel just tells me "No mode" lol

And yeah, I will try everything before looking up instructions online

[rustic charm]

Looks like reading stuff that's written in the cockpit is useful sometimes

"ART switch must be set to off when TO FLEX selected"

ART is set to auto

"Why doesn't it work?!"

[reef isle]

Do you set max thrust using the panel?

if yes, for takeoff (if you don't want to use A/T) you can set thrust on this indicator

then select MCT, and make sure to not go beyond that for too long 😅

(or select CLB and put it on the indicator)

[rustic charm]

I do, but cause I didn't have the ART switch in the correct position it just showed the full TO thrust mark

Climbing seemingly without any issues now

[reef isle]

well, full T/O should be fine

not for long, but at least for a few minutes I'm sure

[rustic charm]

Also, I do seem to posess a unique ability to break this plane

Cause my last flight ended up with an engine failure and a diversion

Now today I realised the best part about that

Failures were off

I somehow managed to get an engine failure from a plane with no failures

[reef isle]

well, it might have been the same reason? Overstress?

[rustic charm]

In cruise, while managed by VNAV? Quite unlikely

This takeoff probably would've caused a lot of angry, confused and terrified screams inside of the LAX tower

[reef isle]

yeah weird

[reef isle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gvypDOcBiE&list=RD7gvypDOcBiE

why did youtube hide this from me for so long

[rustic charm]

Almost there

Side not: I may or may not have done 3 hours of cruise with slats extended

The plane now seems to be quite confident that it won't make it

I, on the other hand, am quite confident in the contrary

[rustic charm]

As I said, confident that the fuel is enough XD

[dusty sky]

And how did that go

[rustic charm]

Well, evidently I landed absolutely fine at my destination

[dusty sky]

Boring

[rustic charm]

Welp

Bought myself some tickets

In 4 days time I be flying on a 763

Which also means that after the flight, I will have flown on all Boeing widebodies

Well, in general terms that is obviously. I've only been on 744s out of the 747s, only on 77Ws out of 777s, only on 789s I think out of 787s, and then it will be only a 763 out of 767s

[dusty sky]

Which airline

I don't remember any 767's flying to dubai

[reef isle]

I've heard the 767 is very topical at the moment

[dusty sky]

Where is bro flying 😭

Is my guy flying to Kazakhstan

[rustic charm]

Okay so I guess I was happy too early, looks like they temporarily put 320neos onto this route instead...

[rustic charm]

Azerbaijan

[dusty sky]

That was my second choice

Go to that big ass flag in baku

[rustic charm]

A short layover there and from there onto Tivat

[dusty sky]

Oh

Ilham Aliyev does not approve

[rustic charm]

I've already been to Azerbaijan

Baku's quite pretty

At least in the developed parts

But I think I've seen the majority of the important stuff there

[dusty sky]

All cities are like that

[dusty sky]

And the flag?

[rustic charm]

Would outline it as one destination where I should visit for F1, but to be honest... nope, I'd prefer it being removed from the calendar

It's not cheap either, unlike Qatar

[dusty sky]

You don't say?

Longer route bigger price no?

[rustic charm]

Qatar ain't one of the best tracks, but at least it's an actual circuit and not a street track. And for with just 250 euro being charged for full weekend access to the grandstands, that was a good price too

[dusty sky]

Well fuck me ig

[rustic charm]

Honestly if I'm flying off to anywhere for F1 in the near future, it'll be Istanbul next year. Depending on the prices of course

All other grand prix just cost way too much tbh

[dusty sky]

Come to Romania bro

People here are surprisingly friendly

[rustic charm]

Oh, Qiddiya actually too, very much on the cards. I need to visit Six Flags as well after all, and the track is literally in the same spot. Plus it does look quite crazy

[rustic charm]

Maybe I will eventually

[dusty sky]

Hurry up the food is waiting

[rustic charm]

Uhh

Not this soon

Whenever I do end up there, I'll make sure to let you know though

[dusty sky]

If you come to Bucharest I'll tell you exactly where to go for good food

[civic aspen]

Just spent all day downloading MSFS 2020 to copy the Default A320 over so I can use the Horizon Sim LVFR stuff again

[rustic charm]

LVFR? But why?

[civic aspen]

I can't afford the FS Labs one right now, I do want it though

[rustic charm]

Fair

And the Fenix neo ain't out yet, right

[civic aspen]

It isn't no

This is with the HS FBW Compatability so it's a good alternative

[rustic charm]

I don't think I've ever done a flight in any of the neos in the sim

[trim harbor]

the performance is abysmal on it sadly

love to fly it but holy shit man

[full plank]

In fairness they have done some work to make it less performance heavy, but sadly still the heaviest one for me

Still happily fly it though

[civic aspen]

Made it to Heathrow

[reef isle]

Is this right for it to sit so high off the ground?

https://cdn.plnspttrs.net/46996/n2039j-jetblue-airbus-a321-271nx_PlanespottersNet_1213131_e55ee599b8_o.jpg

[reef isle]

yeah, I guess not?

[rustic charm]

An LVFR model, it's quite likely it'll have some inaccuracies

[reef isle]

Needed a screenshot for the fs.to thumbnail

any excuse is good to fly Air Inter

my man Mario Noriega can't release the Mercure soon enough 🙏

[rustic charm]

320-100s when

I'm pretty sure these should be with flat wings after all

[reef isle]

highest level ragebait

[reef isle]

No they had a few -200s

[rustic charm]

Ah, fair

[reef isle]

the -100s had the much cooler livery though

[rustic charm]

Makes sense

[reef isle]

https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/5/1063685_1721502718.jpg

🔥

[rustic charm]

If Fenix made the -100s tbh I wouldn't mind it being sold separately

[trim harbor]

whats the big difference

between a normal and 100

[rustic charm]

I think they could do it as a separate pack with -100s & EIS1 (applicable to others though)

[trim harbor]

length?

[rustic charm]

Nope

[reef isle]

https://cdn.plnspttrs.net/14491/f-gjvz-air-inter-airbus-a320-211_PlanespottersNet_906568_0ec311bdcf_o.jpg

[rustic charm]

The wingtips

Visually I think that's it

[reef isle]

we'd need to actually do a proper EIS-1 first, and that's already a stretch
an actual -100 is extremely unlikely

[rustic charm]

-200s have sharklets/wtfs, -100s have just flat wings

[reef isle]

I believe the -100 actually had "serious" differences

certainly the 321-100 and -200 had loads of differences

[rustic charm]

Also wasn't there an "EIS0" on -100s too

[reef isle]

the -200 IIRC is more powerful, carries more fuel, has a higher MTOW

[rustic charm]

Don't think it was called that, but it was basically a mix between the EIS1 and the A306/310 cockpit

[reef isle]

Not familiar with that, but rings a bell

[rustic charm]

A man can dream 😭

[reef isle]

https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/2/37533_1241460664.jpg

also Air Inter had a stupid HUD

Alitalia had too

that's another thing that'll never happen

there's a good photo of it wait a sec

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/6/7/3/0292376.jpg?v=v40

Imagine being more excited about the NEOs than this

[rustic charm]

Tbh I don't really mind the HUD being/not being there cause on the 737s for example I just never use it

[reef isle]

well, it's just that...

Air Inter (and for some reasons Alitalia) were very fond of it

[trim harbor]

thats by far

[reef isle]

so it just feels wrong to not have it?

[trim harbor]

the most cursed thing

i've seen on an a321

why fly a400m when you have a320-100 at home

[rustic charm]

The A320s now don't even have HUDs actually do they

[trim harbor]

nope

[reef isle]

I think it's an option on the NEOs

I'm sure I already posted this 2 or 3 times

but this was another quirk of the A320-100s

the V/S used to only show two digits

after that caused a crash it was changed

[rustic charm]

Yeah

[reef isle]

Well, Aamir said no

[rustic charm]

Why do we have 38 devs making neos but nobody making -100s

Although I guess with how comparatively niche they are, the only dev who would possibly do them is JF lol

Cause they're the only ones doing niche stuff

[trim harbor]

which one?

[reef isle]

Air Inter 148

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/325614

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah, it's just that tbh

[trim harbor]

damn no gpws in an a320

hard to imagine

[reef isle]

there's absolutely 0 chances that JustFlight does an A320 from scratch just to do the -100

it makes no sense at all

[rustic charm]

A plane that currently still flies, was produced in the thousands and allows people to basically fly any airline anywhere, sells better than niche stuff

[rustic charm]

Oh definitely

[reef isle]

Weirdly enough I think ini might be our saviour

they are the one and only developer that has even tried to do a real EIS-1 on their A340

[rustic charm]

Although I mean

[reef isle]

I think Fenix will do the NEOs and then move onto another aicraft

[rustic charm]

JF is making a whole A300 from scratch just to do B4s

[reef isle]

AT MOST they'll do EIS-1 on the A320-200, and that's it

[reef isle]

Yeah but that's different

the A300B and A306 are basically two completely different planes

that appeal to two completely different communities

[rustic charm]

Ehhh, I wouldn't quite go as far as that

[reef isle]

From a piloting standpoint... I would 😅

[rustic charm]

True, that indeed

[reef isle]

the 727 and 737 for example, although one has a F/E and one doesn't, but you can tell they're sort of similar, and that'd still be a much bigger difference than the EIS-1 A320 to EIS-2 A320

the A300B and A306 difference is even bigger than that

[rustic charm]

I doubt Fenix will touch EIS1 tbh

[reef isle]

I think it's on the edge, there are still quite a lot of EIS-1 planes around

maybe with a small fee I can see it being popular enough to justify it

[rustic charm]

I wonder what their next plane will be

We know they planned a 350, but well

[reef isle]

for a while there were some rumours circulating they might have been doing a 737 of some description

and that would make sense

[rustic charm]

Hmm

Only if a MAX tbh

[trim harbor]

im willing to pay $25-30 for an updated EIS1 soundset incl changed display characteristics and ofc displays in the fenix

for all 3 planes of course

[rustic charm]

I doubt they'll go old

[reef isle]

Aamir also said publicly that he likes the ATP (and that has become a sort of "recurring joke") and the BAC 1-11, not sure if I've injected enough hopium to take either of those seriously though

[rustic charm]

And trying to displace PMDG, well everyone knows that's just way too difficult

[reef isle]

I don't agree actually. PMDG has been shooting themselves in the foot A LOT recently, and have been playing catch up, and if there's one software house that people have associated with "high quality planes" is Fenix

I think they might be the only ones able to actually challenge them

PMDG has been very complacent since FS2020 released

[rustic charm]

Yeah, but you know how diehard PMDG fans are, right?

[reef isle]

Yes, but I think they're genuinely a VERY loud minority that is also shrinking slowly

[rustic charm]

And 99% of the people already own the NGs and just won't buy another version just because it's better, but not too significantly

[trim harbor]

since msfs has released?

p3d was already a fiasco

[reef isle]

Like, back when FS2020 was new, PMDG was regarded as the gold standard and if you said anything bad about PMDG, you were an idiot, now not so much anymore

[trim harbor]

robert bamboozle is a terrible ceo

and getting mathijs onboard made it even more unbearable

[rustic charm]

I think if Fenix decided to not go against ini, who have a shallower following, going against PMDG would be very unexpected from them

[trim harbor]

questionable decisions and customer managment

[reef isle]

I agree, but unfortunately I think they handled the MSFS2020 release extremely well, they were one of the first software houses (togheter with Leonardo) that were able to deliver a ""study level"" plane to a community that was STARVING for good airliners

[trim harbor]

correct, they've since leaned on that fact i feel

[rustic charm]

PMDG are the Ferrari F1 of flight sims basically

Except Ferrari are looking better this year, PMDG aren't

[trim harbor]

LOL

lovely reference

[reef isle]

Eh, I don't think they did, I think since then they've just basically ridden that wave all the way into MSFS2024 thinking that people thought their products were the best of the best and people would pay whatever they asked for to get them, and then when they tried to do the 30 dollar coffee they faceplanted hard

[rustic charm]

Thanks lol

[reef isle]

I still think the whole MSFS2024 thing didn't really hurt them financially, since, well, they're still a monopoly, but the fact they got bullied into actually upgrading the models for free is enough proof that they've been genuinely under pressure IMO

[rustic charm]

I'd say a simply lovely reference even

[trim harbor]

lets add that to the words of wisdom

[rustic charm]

Honestly, I think Fenix doing an A330ceo wouldn't be too unrealistic

Cause we don't actually have a good one

[reef isle]

I actually think the pressure from the LevelUp and Zibo getting better and XP12 ever so slightly gaining more popularity on one side, iFly also preparing a huge update and the community starting to loudly proclaim their unhappiness with PMDG has left them in a more vulnerable position than they'd usually be.

I think if Fenix offerened a TOP TIER 737NG pack with all 3 variants for 60€ for MSFS2024 it would do VERY WELL right now

[rustic charm]

And the one we do have is included for free as well, so people won't think "Well I already paid for it"

[rustic charm]

There are 4 variants XD

I do agree that having an all in one pack for a Fenix price would be much better

[reef isle]

hahah yes sorry 😆

[rustic charm]

But also, I think the price for NG would be much higher

Cause you know

[reef isle]

heck, even having just 2, one with the -800 and -700 that are by far the most popular, and then an expansion with the -600 and -900 (at the same price of the 319/21 expansion) would be huge

[rustic charm]

Not including 320 freighters is fine, there are like 2.5 of those in the world, as much as I'd like one

Not including 737 freighters would be very different

Overall 737s have more different options, variations etc

Which would have to be included imo

PMDG may do many things wrong, but the 737 packs do actually have the amount of variations I'd like them to have

[reef isle]

Yes, but I think they still wouldn't treat each variant as its own separate plane

[full plank]

lots of plans, but still found a way to shoehorn the NEO into that

[runic hare]

Oh fun!

[reef isle]

Trieste? 😄

[trim harbor]

quite interesting that both captain and FO had less than 100 hours on the type

makes sense as the a320 was new but something you never actually see

although total flight hours count more than type hours ig?

[reef isle]

Well, the A320 had been in service for 4 years when that happened

the airframe itself had 6300hrs

Makes sense that you still had loads of pilots with a very small amount of flight hours

[rustic charm]

Yeah, you can't hire a person with 1000+ hours on a type when a type is barely flying still

[trim harbor]

guys guys i know 😭

[reef isle]

sorry

[trim harbor]

im just saying that it could in one way or another be a contributing factor to an accident, total hours aside

[rustic charm]

I reckon in such cases airlines retrain their most experienced captains onto the new type and into command right away? While newer captains and FOs switch to FOs

[reef isle]

aaah yes

sorry

I misunderstood

[rustic charm]

I'm sure it was

[trim harbor]

and i dont think in any (modern) accident theres ever been a case where i've seen a captain with less than 1k hours on a type

[rustic charm]

When you have few hours, even if you don't make a mistake, you're simply less likely to notice something being off

[trim harbor]

for the 787s LH sent alot of captains into training a year or two ahead and then of course schooled them in the sim alot

same for the a380 back then

[rustic charm]

Well, I just don't think any modern types had severe accidents tbf

Like

The 787's only one is the Air India flight, and there's still no info on that

A350s never had any

A380s never had any

[trim harbor]

not severe enough to cause death atleast

the 787s had alot of apu fires, the 380 had a engine burnout(?) or whatever the qantas was

the max is the only modern one which is terrible

[rustic charm]

The 777's first accident came 15 years after its introduction too, so there wouldn't be any 'instant captains' by then

[rustic charm]

Also interesting that they did full retraining for the 787s

Cause I'm pretty sure some airlines managed to get pilots to fly 787s and 777s at the same time

Even though they're nowhere near a common type rating, unlike the 757/767 pair

[trim harbor]

i have no clue how it works, if FO and CPT have a different type rating to do or anything

that would be interesting though

[rustic charm]

Thankfully accidents overall are just rarer now

Very curious to see once they release the reports what the findings are for Air India though

[trim harbor]

didnht they release the air china ones abit ago

[rustic charm]

I think they did

Although wasn't it CES

Not CCA

[trim harbor]

oops

it might've been

[rustic charm]

If you're about the 737 at least

[trim harbor]

y

es

[rustic charm]

Yeah pretty sure it was China Eastern

I think the report stated that the fuel cutoffs were moved to off in-flight

Which interestingly is the same as the preliminary findings on Air India iirc

But that was an NTSB report I think, not one by CAAC. And they tbf might just not publish theirs, idk if they usually do

[dusky leaf]

I Follow Roads best navigation

[reef isle]

So glad to see I haven't lost all my Tu-134 abilities

used RSBN with SRP mode because we have RNAV at home and a little VOR navigation 😄

I'll go straight to give this guy positive feedback as well

absolutely fantastic controller

I am VATSIM controllers' final boss

[rustic charm]

That you are

I need to learn the 134

Also need to deliver the 154 to Magadan so I can throw it over the Pacific in passenger service too. Probably will be one of the crasiest flights I've done

Also flying a Tu-154 with US West Coast controllers sounds fun

[reef isle]

https://youtu.be/RAprS1TL4s4?si=rkpW672WglG6DCbc

Comac has an FMC now

no LNAV yet

hopefully soon 🙏

[dusty sky]

Or or

Hear me out

Cubana

Omg UPS van

[rustic charm]

They'd probably just tell me to fuck off

Also, can't fly Cubana, Cuba ran out of fuel

I'm not joking, I remember a month or so ago they announced that jet fuel fuel in the country is basically gone, cancelled pretty much all the Cubana flights and said they will not refuel any foreign aircraft either

[dusty sky]

Bro this is vatsim not real life 😭

[rustic charm]

Also ngl, Soviet nav is just cool

Also, I wonder how much easier it makes flying VOR arcs

Cause ngl, I like doing them on RNAV planes cause they honestly look cool, but flying them manually is such a pain

This is how my average DME arc looks

Too shallow in the beginning, in the end just overcorrect it and so it looks like 180 turn

[trim harbor]

@reef isle @rustic charm

https://youtu.be/Fn6FDc72am8?si=FlFmYnNH3-ZJ4r0y

we talked about it yesterday

[rustic charm]

Yep

That's a coincidence and a half lol

That guy does make good videos though

Speaking of old-timey Airbuses

[dusty sky]

goes hard

[rustic charm]

Setting up for a short domesting hop up to Chiang Mai

[dusty sky]

well time to google that cuz I've never heard of it in my life

[rustic charm]

An hour north-northwest of Bangkok

[dusty sky]

I was gonna say isn't it a bit much to fly an A300 for that

but it's asia

so

[rustic charm]

Well

Thing is, Thai never really had much of a short-range fleet

The closest they came to having one is now, with 20 A320s and 5 A321s

Back in the day, they at different points had around a dozen 734s and around a dozen BAes

Even then, some of those were leased

So they just threw A300s and A310s onto these flights

Fun fact

This route has been done by Thai in...

A300B4-200s
A300B4-600s
A310-200s
A330-300s
ATR 42-300s
737-200s
737-400s
747-300s
777-200s
777-300s
MD-11s

[rustic charm]

This golf club in Bangkok weirdly has 2 runways

[rustic charm]

The fact you can only pre-select altitudes in 1000ft increments is simply lovely

Yummy orange brakes

[reef isle]

There's something in my dreams, it's Air Berlin

[tardy hedge]

i just had pronouns in my name...

[trim harbor]

i gotta sadly give it to the vatsim sups here, i get them

[rustic charm]

Honestly no idea why it really matters

Especially considering you'll never use your name to communicate

[reef isle]

Funny you should say that, there's a controllore in Budapest that is infamous for randomly saying "hello [name]" or "bye [name]"
Both me and a friend of mine got jumpscared
I'm fairly sure that happened to me in 2023, and that memory is still very clear hahahah

[rustic charm]

Why the heck does it matter whether I have my name, my nickname or even just a completely random batch of characters, if, in any case, the only way you'll refer to me is "Clipper 142", "Speedbird 212", or whatever else

[rustic charm]

Aren't they supposed to be super serious and realistic? In reality a controller wouldn't know the name of every single pilot

[reef isle]

hahahahah in theory yes... but sometimes it can get a little informal

and that's ok

[trim harbor]

I talked to a head supervisor about this

A tldr: professionalism on the network

They dont want stuff like that to be on the network in such a way

Which is fair when its their rule

But vatsim is vatsim, they take the wrong stuff too serious

[reef isle]

It's the same rationale behind the PMDG rule name I guess

It makes it feel as though you're interacting (and effecting) "real people" not "nicknames"

And yes that also helps with having that "professional" feel to it

I think it's very unnecessary and harmful even, but whatever 🤷‍♂️

I just think all these attempts to "vet" people and kind of "softly force" them to act them in the way you want are just useless and get in the way of normal people trying to use the network normally. They should have more SUPs and ACTUALLY deal with the bad people a lot more promptly

The lack of Supervisors is really comical, and the few times they are on they spend their time checking if people are AFK or trying to see if they can spot a dodgy name...

[full plank]

yea sorry & im gonna be completely super blunt here, nobody gives a shit about pronouns on Vatsim

same thing when controllers put in pronouns in their controller remarks, like im gonna call you the position you staff & not anything else

[trim harbor]

thats how it is, theres no soft speaking it

[trim harbor]

A4(a) During the registration process with VATSIM, you shall provide your real, full (e.g., first and last) name. Nicknames, callsigns, or abbreviations are not permitted to be associated with an account holder's account registration. VATSIM reserves the right, in its discretion, to require proof of real name and proof of age from an account holder.
A4(b) Account holders shall connect to VATSIM using only one of the following name conventions:
Their real, registered name (e.g., Joseph Smith).
Their real, registered given name, followed by the first initial of their surname (e.g., Joseph S.).
An appropriate shortening of their given name, followed by either their surname or the first initial of their surname (e.g., Joe Smith, Joe S.).
Their real given name (e.g., Joseph).
An appropriate shortening of their given name (e.g., Joe).
Their first and last initial (e.g., J.S.).
Their VATSIM certificate ID number.

[dusky leaf]

Civ UH1

[reef isle]

I know

I still think it's BS and makes no sense 😄

[rustic charm]

$170 extra for overweight luggage: check ✅

The day started out perfectly...

They also initially didn't want to check me in because I don't have a ticket from Tivat onwards

[rustic charm]

Well she's new

[dusty sky]

bermuda registration?

[rustic charm]

Yep

Bermuda is one of the most popular places to register planes

I think it's to do with taxes

[rustic charm]

Welp, I'm boarded now. Of course a middle seat, but I didn't pay for selection so I won't complain

[trim harbor]

middle seat is the worst

when i flew on air china i got a middle seat in an a330

most terrible thing that c ouldve happened

[rustic charm]

At least tomorrow's leg is going to be an aisle seat, which isn't as bad but considering I usually don't get up, much worse than a window seat

Plus tbh

There weren't many people in the boarding area

So I reckon we'll be half empty

"Boarding complete"

And the window is mine mwahaha

[rustic charm]

Took one picture shortly before sunset

[runic hare]

Uzbekistan

[rustic charm]

Their livery is quite cool tbh

[dusky leaf]

I ran out of skill

[hollow oracle]

hehe

https://www.sportys.com/digital-i69-msfs2020.html

sporty's actually sells a freeware scenery for clermont county airport

im going on a trip to cincinatti next month, and i sort of considered maybe stopping by sportys, but i obviously dont have any business there

they do sell diecast aircraft though

oh, nevermind, their storefront is only their bestsellers, all of it is just a warehouse

[rustic charm]

Welp, 6:30am - check. Time for the next flight

[rustic charm]

Well she's not that new

[rustic charm]

Welp, I'm down in Tivat

With very lucky timing too... An Easyjet 320 & a Jet2 738 right before us

[rustic charm]

This looks like fun

@reef isle wanna do that as a group flight (or a shared cockpit, if for once it works lol), this one looks like something you'd be interested in

[reef isle]

yes?

maybe tomorrow or the day after?

[rustic charm]

Sure

If we do it not too late in the day, can even do a roundtrip. Tivat accepts the last arrivals around 8pm (1800z) usually

Gotta check if all the stuff works in FS24 at least, in case we want to do shared cockpit. Not sure if it'll work though, last time I tried, I broke the 777

Gonna just remind myself how to fly the F28 now

[rustic charm]

I love Tivat

[rustic charm]

Okay, all that once again because for whichever reason the plane decided it really wants to go into the perimeter fence

Oh right, gust lock

[rustic charm]

Me: flying a plane that I genuinely don't know too well, don't have much experience and also am quite rusty with
Also me: CTL hell yeah

Unfortunately can't get it back to Tivat today cause the airport will be closed by the time I'm back, will do tomorrow

[hollow oracle]

https://youtu.be/iWkLZjJXaos?si=tHA0rtIIs8nhJ1nT

[rustic charm]

Time to fly back

[reef isle]

Nice ❤️

sorry I've been flying the Phenom (a friend of mine gifted it to me)

I hate Garmin with a passion

but yeah

maybe we can try and see if shared cockpit works?

[rustic charm]

Yeah, would be nice to try. Could do it today if you want to

A few things about shared cockpit though:
FS20 or FS24? I doubt it'll be cross-compatible, so we have to be on the same one
Also, do you have the payware versions for either of the airports? I have both, and I think I'll have to uninstall them if you don't have them

[reef isle]

24
I have neither

but I think it'll be fine

[rustic charm]

Alright

I think I don't have either one installed in 24 anyway

[rustic charm]

Well, this is cool

The livery is marked as 2020-only

I'll try loading it in 24 to see if it works

But even better, it's not available to download anymore...

@reef isle doesn't work in 2024 🥲

[reef isle]

The livery?

I can make that work

[rustic charm]

Yep

[reef isle]

that's no problem at all

[rustic charm]

Fair

[reef isle]

can you zip it and send it to me? 😭

I had this livery as well

I did some flights with it in the past

[rustic charm]

Alright, I'll send it over

Idk why they removed it, it's a shame

Lmk when you have it, I'll delete it cause technically I shouldn't be redistributing other people's liveries XD

[reef isle]

hahaha I got it

[reef isle]

@rustic charm

[rustic charm]

Niice

[rustic charm]

Yep, works for me as well

[reef isle]

Fantastic 😄

https://fscopilot.com/

I hate that this absolutely looks like some shit vibe coded piece of absolute crap, but perhaps we can hope the AI didn't hallucinate too much?

and try it

[rustic charm]

Oh I think that's the one we tried with Dan

[reef isle]

ok

then no

[rustic charm]

It did work for the most part

[reef isle]

oh did it?

[rustic charm]

Yeah

I just somehow managed to break my camera

But that's an EFB thing tbf

Cause when you start typing in the EFB on some planes, the coursor gets locked to only actions on the EFB

[reef isle]

we can try it with the AvroRJ profile, it's likely that the F28 and RJ share a lot of things that this program cares about

[rustic charm]

Yep, could do that

Although

I don't have the RJ itself, only the 146

[reef isle]

I don't think that should be a problem?

I mean it might be

but there's no other choice

[rustic charm]

Yeah

To me it just says "No profile available for the F28"

[reef isle]

you can't force/ovveride it?

[rustic charm]

Doesn't really look like it

[reef isle]

it might be not too hard to modify or create

[rustic charm]

Hopefully

Well looking at the files, doesn't seem too understandable. At least to me lol

[reef isle]

it's just a list of Lvars

the RJ profile at least

[rustic charm]

Yeah

I gotta leave for a bit now, will be back in around an hour or so

[reef isle]

ah yeah no worries

I'll look into it tomorrow

[rustic charm]

Alright, sounds good

[rustic charm]

Well, tomorrow is the start of the Canadian GP weekend, so I guess I gotta fly to Montreal

Gonna get an MD-80 on a ferry flight from Nassau (where I ended up after a diversion) to Miami, and then from Miami to Montreal as AAL used to do

[rustic charm]

The dog is mad

[trim harbor]

gonna be a good race 🙏

[rustic charm]

Hopefully, hopefully

I've heard it's rain forecasted for the race time

Also Mercedes are bringing upgrades, and McLaren are bringing a bit more upgrades too iirc

[trim harbor]

pastry Please

[trim harbor]

stroll and verstappen neurons activated

lets goo

[rustic charm]

Yeah XD

Sadly for Stroll, the car is even more shit than usual...

Idk how they managed to get outqualified by the whole F2 field in Miami

Especially considering that it's the first time F2 was there as well, none of them knew the track well at all

Honestly I'm kinda rooting for Kimi

At least out of the people who genuinely have a chance at winning, otherwise I'm always team Alonso

At least Aston building an absolute shitbox this year means he most likely will stay for the next season

[trim harbor]

alonso my goat for years

[rustic charm]

The GOAT since 2001

[trim harbor]

yes

[rustic charm]

Can we just give the man his R25 again

[trim harbor]

can we just get better engines and regs overall

[rustic charm]

Hopefully in 2030

[trim harbor]

i love f1 but WEC feels more and more like proper racing compared to f1

[rustic charm]

Tbf I'd say currently the regs apart from the engines are actually not bad

But the 50/50 split is not right

[trim harbor]

arent they doing 60/40 or something next year

[rustic charm]

Yeah they are

[trim harbor]

whey atleast

[rustic charm]

Only 4 races in, and they already essentially acknowledge that the engine regs are shit

I hope that they do bring back V8s by 2030, that would be nice

And hopefully it's not some super hybrid stuff either. I doubt it'll be the same as the 2006 regs, but if we're at least not talking about an energy split, I'm happy

Although honestly if they literally just brought back 2006, I would be happy. Some very beautiful cars back then

[reef isle]

Plane is nice, I hate Garmin a little less than I used to

I wish either the LJ35 or the LJ25 used the KLN90B

I can't stand the 530 and 750 either 🤣

Crazy how much my brain is wired to understand better trash avionics

KLN90B is probably objectively the worst GPS unit ever, and somehow I find it more intuitive than all this crap

It was nice taking a break from scheduled airliner flying (Part 135 I guess you could say)

tomorrow I'll get the F28 thing sorted

or I'll try at least

[rustic charm]

Yeah dw, it's fine if you don't

[rustic charm]

Honestly all GA GPS is inferior anyway

Idk but I simply do not posess the ability to understand those units

If it's not a normal FMC, or not a normal INS, I just can't

I delivered an Alaska MD-80 once, and it had the weird GA FMC on it instead of the normal one

I was ready to cry

Haven't touched that plane since, even though I love Alaska, I like MD-80s and ASA did some cool flights in them

[trim harbor]

ffs

[rustic charm]

Time to go to Montreal

[dusty sky]

Ew french

[rustic charm]

Honestly, the maddog is nice but some things I just can't understand

Why the fuck is it always such an uphill battle starting a flight with this plane

It just doesn't want to refuel

That's it, no fuel for me

Why? Cause just fuck me I guess

Fuck it, the MD-80 broke down so AAL quickly scrambled a 772 as a replacement

[rustic charm]

Shiny

[rustic charm]

Even more shiny

[dusty sky]

I saw an A320 and an ATR-72 take off 👍

[dusty sky]

They changed the departure runway 😭

Cool thing is I can't see it until it's on very short final

Animawings A220

[rustic charm]

Best picture quality in Romania be like

[dusty sky]

My phone is just shit

I saw an A300

Hell yeah

And a 787

[worthy dawn]

https://www.vxinstagram.com/p/CjvkMxcuC6S/?igsh=OHZxbzJwbGdpemdj

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[runic hare]

FJS please

[reef isle]

no flood lights allowed in my cockpit lol

[dusty sky]

Where are you flying

[reef isle]

HECA-LIRF

Covid repatriation flight, not a scheduled 777 flight

[dusty sky]

Wait what that's a 777?

I thought that was a 737

Insane

[trim harbor]

[dusty sky]

[trim harbor]

covid good memories

[rustic charm]

Man

That's

Not right

Just not right

[dusty sky]

I am not locked in

[rustic charm]

If you mistake a 777 for a 737 again you'll be locked out, of this chat

We'll ask the mods

[dusty sky]

😭

Bro I'm tired ok

[rustic charm]

Go sleep then

[dusty sky]

My lights are off in my room as well

[rustic charm]

Being tired ain't nice

[reef isle]

btw sorry for not having done the F28 thing yet

[rustic charm]

Dw, take your time

I'm watching F1 this weekend anyway

[reef isle]

nice

I forgot it was race weekend 😄

[trim harbor]

isnt qualifying going on rn

[rustic charm]

It is

[trim harbor]

whos pole

rn

[rustic charm]

Kimi

[trim harbor]

baller kimi

george promoted to 2nd seat

L

[rustic charm]

Fastest in Q1, for now fastest in Q2

Charles is having issues with the car

[trim harbor]

ferrari'd

i feel bad for charles

he deserves better

[reef isle]

chuck leclerc

[rustic charm]

In Q1 both Astons obviously out (although Fernando occasionally comes pretty close to passing into Q2 tbf), both Cadillacs out, Ocon out (outqualified by Ollie again, and with a huge margin) and Albon out

[trim harbor]

cadillac and audi didnt have the start i have hoped for

[rustic charm]

Yeah

Well with Cadillac it was expected

[trim harbor]

although established teams vs new teams ig

[reef isle]

who is actually cadillac and audi? Toro Rosso and HAAS? I forget

[rustic charm]

They had 0 everything

[trim harbor]

horner is trying to come back with a chinese company

byd

[rustic charm]

Cadillac is brand new, Audi took over Sauber

[trim harbor]

audi is using their own parts entirely however iirc

[reef isle]

There are 11 teams?

[trim harbor]

cadillac isnt

ye

[rustic charm]

Toro Rosso is VCARB now (Visa CashApp Racing Bulls), HAAS is still HAAS

[rustic charm]

Yeah, starting this year

Could be 12 in the near future

[trim harbor]

BYD

😭

icant imagine that

[rustic charm]

Cause BYD wants to join

[reef isle]

I miss F1 for 5 years and everything changes 😭

[rustic charm]

And well

Christian Horny is trying every single thing to get back into F1

[trim harbor]

LOL

[reef isle]

BYD in F1 would be so stupid

why not FE?

[trim harbor]

well

its mostly because chinese company

[rustic charm]

Agree, FE for an all electric manufacturer would make more sense

But also, tbf not all teams even make cars

[rustic charm]

Btw in 5 years a lot changed

I have a spreadsheet of teams and drivers, wait a sec

[trim harbor]

dedicated fan

[reef isle]

So you know, the traditional excuse behind car companies throwing money at this sport is that the tech will eventually trickle down in some for or another into road cars

what does BYD gain from manufacturing a V6 engine?

or learning how to work with it

[rustic charm]

I just get bored tbh, and making spreadsheets can be satisfying

[trim harbor]

china just wants in on the f1 cake

im honestly suprised we didnt have more chinese drivers and/or companies in f1 yet

[reef isle]

Yeah I get the propaganda/advertising PoV, I still think it's stupid lol

[rustic charm]

This is the timeline of teams since 2021

[trim harbor]

alpha tauri was a good name

their livery was also good

[rustic charm]

Agree

[trim harbor]

vcarb is ass

[reef isle]

oooooh thank you ❤️

[rustic charm]

And Alfa Romeo is my favourite livery tbh

[reef isle]

VCARB sounds like a vitamin supplement, what a stupid name lol

[rustic charm]

Here is the timeline for drivers although it might be inaccurate in some places, idk

[trim harbor]

visa cash app racing bulls

[rustic charm]

Also it's incomplete as you can see (the numbers aren't there for many drivers)

[trim harbor]

cant it be any longer

[reef isle]

well, for everything else, there's master card

[trim harbor]

r u tryting to spell mick schuchmacher

or michael

[rustic charm]

Mick

Typo

[trim harbor]

MAZEPIN

LOL

[rustic charm]

Mazepin was a joke

[trim harbor]

mazepin was amazing i swear

[rustic charm]

The GOAT

[trim harbor]

he brought entertainment to the field that noone else could

[rustic charm]

Alongside Nicholas GOATifi

[reef isle]

That's Latifi

[trim harbor]

he was arrogant and bad at the same time

it was golden

[rustic charm]

Yeah

And only on the field thanks to dad's money as well

[reef isle]

The only man able to stop Mercedes dominance (with a bit of outside help)

[trim harbor]

wasnt it some oil company

i forgot

[rustic charm]

Not even

A fertiliser company lol

UralKali

[trim harbor]

bruh

[reef isle]

Wasn't Gazprom involved in F1 at some point too?

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yes

wait

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Seeing HAAS, at the time the only American team, racing with a Russian flag on their front wing, was fun lol

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didnt mazepin leave

because they got rid of his sponsor thing

because of the ruso-ukraine war

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He got outed in 2022 due to the war

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RICH ENERGY

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Yeah

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Steiner was the real GOAT all along

GUNTHER Steiner

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Yep

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not the other one

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iw asbut to ask u

which steiner

because that steiner didnt hold the fronts

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I WAS ABOUT TO MAKE THE SAME JOKE

hahahah

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Also I don't remember if Gazprom was involved, but we even had a full Russian F1 team at some point (Marussia)

2012 - 2015

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Yes 😄

Don't think they ever did well?

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1 podium I think

But other than that, nothing

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(better than aston martin)

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Well tbf

That's 1 podium in 4 years

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f1 merch this year is also ass may i just add

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Aston Martin had some good seasons

Like 2023

Fernando's a legend for that

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praying it rains tomorrow 🙏

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Does Ferrari still have the rotating wing?

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I think they do

Actually haven't even paid attention this weekend

Red Bull still do

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Oh red bull has as well?

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Yeah they developed one too

Slightly different from Ferrari's though

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interesting

I would love it so much if they went all in with active aero and suspension

the tech would be so cool

already with the little they did we've seen some very interesting ideas

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Honestly I'd love a set of regs that would give more aero freedom

Cause that would open up so many doors

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Honestly I personally think they've been getthing the regs wrong.

I would rather that the regs were defined in a way that was like "we're going to test your design, and if this "default car" loses more than a x% of downforce when following at Y distance behind your car is good. Do whatever you want, have fun

not quite but...

I don't like how incredbily restrictive the regs are

I feel liks they did this to try and avoid big gaps between teams

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I agree

But then big gaps between teams exist and have always existed

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but it seems like it has both the downsides of spec racing (all cars are kind the same), but none of the benefits (even though they're kinda the same, perfomance gap is large enough to really hurt racing)

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Like, the limited regs do somewhat narrow the gaps (look at the 90s when there were like 20 teams but half of them would just not be able to qualify)

But still, the gap between Merc and Aston right now is bigger than the gap between Merc and F2

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yeah, but still, I think that they don't either have the engineering appeal nor the racing appeal, I am convinced the only reason why F1 is so popular is just because of all the rich using it to move money around, oil companies and inertia...

the engineering aspect of I think was toned down a lot with the new regs IMO

and the racing hasn't really improved

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Basically I think they should give teams more freedom, possibly even a bit more freedom with engines (again the 80s and 90s - teams could basically use whichever engine they wanted. Maybe let the teams choose whether they want V8s, V10s or turbo V6s?), and they really really REALLY should improve track lineups

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I don't know, the more I followed F1 the more it felt a soap opera to me, and when the engineering stopped being interesting to me I just stopped following

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Honestly I think track lineups should depend on regs too

Miami used to be awful, this year it was actually pretty good

Suzuka has always been considered one of the best, this year with these regs it was just not

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I mean, I know it's unpopular but with the current HEAVY push towards hybrids and EVs, I think F1 should bank on the electric part of the PU a lot more, the new engine regs felt such like a large missed oppurtunity

F1 was so ahead of the curve with hybrid engines

and now that they're more relevant than ever they just... stopped caring about the electric side?

like all this clipping and super clipping nonsense