Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[trim harbor]

ah yes

im stuck

well guess ill end te flight here

[rustic charm]

MSFS be like

Also that livery is kinda cool

[rustic charm]

Here's one more that could be interesting. Idk what the flight number would be, but Atlant-Soyuz used to fly 154s to Tivat

[trim harbor]

empty flight

[rustic charm]

Taxiing

Void

Pretty close all things considered

[rustic charm]

Ngl, the level of navigation in this thing is actually impressive

I'm pretty sure the whole array we have in the M isn't too much different from B-2 or even the original 154s

Cause in itself the M doesn't look too impressive

First flew in 1982

Needs a bunch of crew, fully old-school cockpit, etc

What else first flew in 1982?

The A310

A plane with proper nav displays, extensive automation, etc

But the 154 overall took to the skies for the first time in 1968

And yet the plane has rather extensive standby navigation, and even autothrottle (which really wasn't that common back in the day)

[rustic charm]

F u c k

I forgot to convert everything to km

So I am kinda lost

Kinda

I know roughly where I am

This is where a paper map, a pencil and a ruler would've helped a lot

I feel like this will end up being a recurring mistake lol

Well tbf

First 2 legs were correct

Cause obviously I filled them in on the ground normally

And they were pretty long too, so I just completely forgot about converting afterwards

Oh and I now forgot toupdate the NVU overall and now it's all bad

[reef isle]

If you do an RSBN correction you can recover

[rustic charm]

I know

[reef isle]

Or you can use a navaid to calculate a new leg

[reef isle]

Ah, sorry

[rustic charm]

I think what I'll do though, the easiest option now, is just take a heading (I'm east of Moscow, so just going for 270 should take me close enough) until I am in range of a navaid for Domodedovo/Vnukovo

[rustic charm]

You really don't need to apologise lol

Ngl this is one thing that from what I can see NVU is better at than western systems

You mess up your INS in flight - good luck recovering anything, better tell the ATC "Guys we're lost please help"

[rustic charm]

Oh, actually, this is even easier

I'm already in range for Vnukovo

[reef isle]

I guess this is what makes soviet systems interesting in a way

In many way they're "worse", but in other ways they're very advanced and "genius", even if somewhat convoluted

Like, I'm sure you could have come up with a way to make all the data entry easier

[rustic charm]

Yeah

[reef isle]

Certainly planes being "intuitive" wasn't as much of a priority for Soviet designers, until it wasn't, since there are some very interesting cases of the opposite

For example the TU-144 had that diagram that showed altitude/speed

While Concorde was, keep an eye on your ASI and Mach Indicator

[rustic charm]

I would say, they're very reliant on humans (whereas western systems are much less so), and while obviously that has some drawbacks, the 'simplicity' also made them very fool-proof

[reef isle]

Yes, that's a fair way to look at it I think

[rustic charm]

And well, 'simplicity' not in "simple to understand" - we're used to other ways, so it's not simple at all

But like

Compare INS to NVU

[reef isle]

I guess this also lines with having to turn on every little system and gauge with its own switch rather than stuff being magically powered when a certain bus is powered

[rustic charm]

With INS you input your coordinates, then input other coordinates, you input 2 places into the plane and that's how it is supposed to navigate

With NVU?

You're basically saying "Face this was and fly X km"

[reef isle]

Yes

But then the whole layer of active and next track and stuff like this make it so much more complicated

Even if much more capable

Like, I think the INS position update is another good example

On the TriStar (that doesn't have automatic update), it's so dumb the way you update your position

You press hold when you're overflying, you insert coordinate, you press enter

You just know if it were a soviet system it would never be that easy 😛

[rustic charm]

Yeah, that too. The Soviet way is much more manual. But it comes with its benefits too. What happens when you lose a bus in a Boeing/Airbus? You lose everything connected to it. Meanwhile in Soviet planes, you lose something - you only lose that thing, not other stuff

[rustic charm]

Oh definitely not, that's too easy. In a Soviet plane a procedure like that would require full attention of all 4 crew members

As we always say, "It takes 5 people to screw in a lightbulb"

[reef isle]

Hahaha yes exactly

[rustic charm]

I will say though

The most annoying thing

Is not having the vspeed mode

Cause I fly everything in vspeed lol

737? Vspeed. MD-11? Vspeed. A380? Vspeed.

Also, ended up way high, so gonna just vector myself around for a bit

Guys?

I think I'm going light speed

Well that was to be expected

But that's why we do practice flights in the first place

The crosswind was quite crazy too, and I'm not used to how it descends at all yet

[hollow oracle]

i was looking at that speed card and went "wtf", but then i realized that its in km/h

of course soviet airliners have to be different and use non-standard measurements

[rustic charm]

Well

Tbf, I'm pretty sure the main reason why aviation uses imperial rather than metric is because the US was the main pioneering country

So for the ease of things, other countries just followed

Would the USSR and China ever follow the US? Nope

[hollow oracle]

i absolutely despise how china does altitude in meters, i actively avoid flying there because of it

it just adds too much confusion

[rustic charm]

Oh its super annoying

Back in the day it would've been much better too

Firstly they did use Soviet jets a lot, so you'd have metric altimeters

Plus

Back in the day they'd mean metric when they say metric

They say 11km, you fly at 11km, not at FL361 etc

[trim harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-hyperspeed-millenium-falcon-gif-16139679

[rustic charm]

Time to go for another practice run I think

[rustic charm]

Attempt 3

This time during the day

[trim harbor]

actually a cool livery tbh

[rustic charm]

I love it

Plus well

It's the airline of Moscow after all

[trim harbor]

does it still fly tho

[rustic charm]

I thought to deliver an Aeroflot one first, but well, what can be more personal than the national airline of Russia? The airline of Moscow

[rustic charm]

Nope

I think they stopped flying in 2010s

Yeah, 2011

In 2010 they got renamed into Moscow Airlines

In 2008 even started receiving 737-800s

I always thought they didn't have them with winglets actually, but seems I was wrong

[trim harbor]

that livery looks worse than the one on the tu

no offense

[rustic charm]

Tbf I still like it

I do think that the one I have right now looks cleaner

[trim harbor]

yes

[rustic charm]

I really need to continue work on the airport

Now is a great time to not forget to convert to km

[rustic charm]

And I'm on ILS

That's the first Tu-154 done

[trim harbor]

those clouds

yummy

[trim harbor]

https://youtu.be/wLndw1HXJmk

[rustic charm]

Interflug ❤️

Il-62 ❤️

Why is it that Il-62 never exists in good quality for any sims

[trim harbor]

fsx

its an okay one

[rustic charm]

Yeah, but FSX is kinda outdated now tbf

Like

Let's be honest

The only reason you'd still use FSX is there being no other options

[rustic charm]

Which country is that airline from

[reef isle]

Canada

Or maybe Brazil?

[rustic charm]

Oh

I thought Mexico

[reef isle]

Aaaaaah yes that's right

I knew I heard it somewhere already 🙄

[rustic charm]

Learning from the best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApNVc2B8yAc

[hollow oracle]

the amount of willpower it would have taken to keep a straight face from hammond is insane

[dusty sky]

What nav systems did you use

[dusty sky]

Cuba

[rustic charm]

NVU & VORs

[dusty sky]

Which one is NVU

[rustic charm]

The calculator

[dusty sky]

Share and calculator

[civic aspen]

Ireland clearly

[rustic charm]

Ah alright, makes sense

Dear XP12

Why are there A340s at Paine

And what the actual fuck is that

Qantas never even had 340s

Also the noses of these models look more like a 737 than any Airbus lol

[civic aspen]

Boeing 🔥

[rustic charm]

Anyway, the cursed 707-A340 middle child aside and back to the point

Also

The spawn locations are rotated the wrong way around lol

Boeing pushed the delivery planes into the stands so they face the taxiway

[rustic charm]

So no auto step climbs hm

[civic aspen]

ASA 100 KSEA - EGLL

[trim harbor]

sunrise over canada

atleast winds r somewhat in favor

[reef isle]

@dusty sky You seem to know about the Xplane A330

is there something with EIS-1?

I'd like to fly some Air Inter A330

https://x-plane.to/file/1960/a330-enhanced-mod

is this good?

FUUUUUUUCK

WRONG FUCKING ENGINES

I HATE MY LIFE

[trim harbor]

what

thx bossman

[reef isle]

I need an A330-300 GE with EIS-1

[trim harbor]

ohhh

[reef isle]

there's an EIS-1 mod, but it's just for the RR

[trim harbor]

what r u trying to do

[reef isle]

there's a GE mod, but it doesn't have EIS-1

[reef isle]

Air Inter A330

Maybe I can try and merge those togheter

maybe

[trim harbor]

brujh they had a330s

[reef isle]

yes, and that's the exact sort of fact/operations that are wacky and stupid that I like

but I can't fly it 😭

[trim harbor]

air inter virtual soon tm

funky livery

sexy livery

[reef isle]

not the exact same, but similar configuration to what ITF had

good, let's see if I can make it work togheter with the GE mod

[runic hare]

Adding the carda engines to the LR 330 is a ballache but it is possible

[reef isle]

I managed that

Now I need to "merge" the two modified .acf togheter

the one with the EIS-1 and the one with the engines

[runic hare]

Would be easier to port the EIS 1 modification to the 330GE

It should just be an extra obj

[reef isle]

it's an .acf thing as well

they just have to merge togheter

I can't "port" one to the other

the GE adds like 30k lines to the ACF, the EIS-1 probably adds some as well

[runic hare]

just open up plane maker and check the additional obj's that have been added

you can port them over

[reef isle]

I was doing it all via text

[runic hare]

same as whatever other configs have been ported

[rustic charm]

How do you change the engines on the sparky 747

Cause I just noticed the TSO one actually used the wrong ones (PWs instead of CF6s)

[reef isle]

I guess I can try?

[rustic charm]

And that could actually be why the engines appear unpainted? Idk

[runic hare]

just gonna check rq

[rustic charm]

The FMC has some config options, including engines, but switching it in there makes no difference in terms of the model

[reef isle]

Yeah I have no idea how to do it PlaneMaker

I need to do it by editing the .acf file manually via text 🙃

[runic hare]

hold on quick demo

[reef isle]

the person made it so it also uses a plugin

so I don't know if that makes things more difficult

so you click and you can decide to have EIS-1

wouldn't it just be easier to merge the two .acf togheter?

[runic hare]

can you do that?

[reef isle]

they're just text files

all the text that was in one but not in the other gets copied 🙂

[runic hare]

so you can have the GE mod installed on one ACF, make a copy of that aircraft then add the EIS 1 stuff minus the .ACF

[reef isle]

No, because the EIS-1 has its own ACF

without that it doesn't work

[runic hare]

I think if you then just add all the objects in planemaker it should be ok

thats all the ACF has additionally from what i can see

[reef isle]

but I don't know how to use PlaneMaker, but I can use a text editor

[runic hare]

might be easier then

[reef isle]

Ok, I can try

give me one second

[runic hare]

open the EIS mod .acf and check whats added, whats removed, what cordinates have changed ect, ect,

i think looking at it the plugin looks for the ACF not the other way around

[reef isle]

Ah yes you're right. Sorry I'm stubborn

yes it's much easier via PM

[reef isle]

This is very helpful too to be fair ❤️

[runic hare]

idk what other bollocks they would have changed but all of that might just be done through objects and changing them around

[reef isle]

If that doesn't work then I'll go back to text editing I guess 😛

[runic hare]

the mod doesnt change anything it just adds stuff on top and removes the original instruments i think

[reef isle]

Do I need to add these as well?

I think these are just modifications of the standard ones

aren't they?

[runic hare]

everything in the folder should be pasted into the new aircraft folder

[reef isle]

ah no I can't find any of these "bodies".obj in the already existing obj list 🙁

[reef isle]

I meant wether ot not I needed to add them in Plane Maker

they're all already there

[runic hare]

these should go into here then you need to add the objects in via planemaker

[reef isle]

ah yes those are all the pieces that make up the stby artificial horizon

[reef isle]

yeah yeah I understand that

thanks 🙂

[runic hare]

its easier to look at the .acf supplied with the addon just to check whats been added and removed then just copy it to the new GE EIS1 acf

[reef isle]

yep fair enough

thank you so much ❤️

[runic hare]

i think they might have done some other boggery

just gonna check

no actually

i think it should just work with just changing/adding the objects

[reef isle]

I think so as well

because the plugin seems to be its own thing

nooo the screens don't work properly 🫤

maybe I did somnething wrong

I'll try to do the whole process again in case I messed something up

[runic hare]

check the cordinates and check the lighting, shadow mode and prefill of each object

also check these match

[reef isle]

All the coordinates seem to be 0, and all the lighting in internal/internal only?

at least for the thins I added

and the engines stopped working as well

swapping engines

so...

[runic hare]

i cant claim to be a plane maker expert

but

hmmm

[reef isle]

I know much less

so

I probably messed something up

I'll just redo the thing again

[runic hare]

I'll try it later but i need to go buy a suit now

maybe try it the other way around?

or manually installing the carda engines by editing .obj files

[reef isle]

Yeah I might do that

[runic hare]

the EIS mod also changes stuff in cockpit_3d

[reef isle]

yeah probably that doesn't work well with the engine thing if they change the engine instrumentation 🫤

[runic hare]

i do not have a clue what or how to approach fixing that

[reef isle]

I'll have a look

but my expectations are not high

[rustic charm]

I think this airline is from the southeast

Since when do 1961 Boeings come with autothrottle

Autothrottle yes, but INS no

[reef isle]

one was much easier to implement than the other 😛

[rustic charm]

Gotta say, this feels so much more familiar than the Tupolev lol

[rustic charm]

Well yeah, but then a lot of later jets came with standby nav equipped, but no autothrottles

[dusty sky]

The what

[rustic charm]

Like the 727s and early 737s

[rustic charm]

EIS-1 is the earlier (and cooler) version of the Airbus cockpit

[dusty sky]

Oh yeah I see

Don't know if there is any

Not sure if the laminar liveries work on the aerogenesis

They should

Don't see why not

[reef isle]

I just realized that even though I have the different engines I'd maybe still command them via EPR?

I don't think that engine swap mod makes it N1?

that might be a dealbreaker possibly

[dusty sky]

Anyway the modded A330 has an EFB

Not complete though

[rustic charm]

Well GEs should be N1 I'm pretty sure

[reef isle]

yeah, the RRs are EPR 🙁

[dusty sky]

Ok so no update on the mod since November

Oh so it does have EIS-1

[reef isle]

yes, me and Wyndbain are trying to make it work with different engines

[dusty sky]

Ok so you might want to get it from xplane.to

Updated in April

https://x-plane.to/file/1960/a330-enhanced-mod

[reef isle]

yeah that's where I got it from

[dusty sky]

Now when I get home I'll need to reinstall mine

Now I'm going to fly to Nigeria from Capetown

[rustic charm]

Wait

The 720 doesn't have an APU...

I just spent several minutes searching for it lol

[dusty sky]

Not exactly a 727 despite what the name might make you think

[reef isle]

@runic hare

[rustic charm]

Got it working?

[runic hare]

Niceeee

[rustic charm]

Also I think you might be having some scenery issues

[runic hare]

It doesn’t

[reef isle]

Yes 😄

[reef isle]

Not going to fly out of Munich Riem with this one 😛

just the last airport I selected

[rustic charm]

Nice

[runic hare]

Also now you know your way around PM

[rustic charm]

Yep

Time to create a new plane now

[reef isle]

Indeed, thank you very much

sorry if I was too stubborn initially

[rustic charm]

Something like an Il-62 would probably be really easy to do as the first project, I promise

[reef isle]

https://c.tenor.com/5UVXHFIvpR4AAAAd/tenor.gif

Just need to find the IL-62 button instead of the car button

[rustic charm]

Definitely really easy XD

Yeah, don't think an AM Vantage would be really useful in a flight sim

[reef isle]

I am so ready

(by the time I find out what route they flew, spawn and ask for clearenace everyone will have logged off)

[rustic charm]

Ngl seeing an A330 in such a livery is so weird

Honestly

The black nose top makes any livery look retro lol

[reef isle]

It really is, that's why I like it

Literally the only photos of any Air Inter 330 in Airliners.net are in Paris lol

Minitel 🥲

[runic hare]

didn't they fly them domestically as well?

[reef isle]

I think so

I found some photos of them in Marseille, Nice and Tolouse

which kind of make sense, they were busy routes between there and Paris

[runic hare]

suit bought

time to do some 757

[reef isle]

Nice ❤️

[runic hare]

flew a -300 yesterday during europe overload

was fun

[reef isle]

so annoying that the only AIr Inter timetables are incomplete

it's only a matter of time before I buy at least 2

[rustic charm]

757s are great

[reef isle]

Ok interesting, before they were used for intl flights they were used for domestic flights as well

I wonder if the introduction and expansion of the TGV network had something to do with that.... 👀

yeah that sounds more fun than going to Dublin

[reef isle]

The controller called me Itarrow by mistake lol

ITF / ITY

I guess the accent didn't help

[dusty sky]

Me when I don't put the callsign in remarks

I hope you delete the TCAS simbrief from the flight plan

[reef isle]

I keep it

but add the callsign

[dusty sky]

I'm reporting you for minor annoyance

[trim harbor]

Did u make it work?

[reef isle]

yes 😄

[trim harbor]

Nice one, good job

[reef isle]

Don't think it was worth giving up an entire morning, but it's done now

[rustic charm]

Well, next time you need to do something of this sort, it'll be quicker

It's nice to learn that stuff

[dusty sky]

What does the EIS-1 look like on it?

[trim harbor]

@dusty sky

Ones CRT, the other LCD

[dusty sky]

Doesn't look terrible on that one

The ini A330 looks better honestly

[runic hare]

i mean it is free

[rustic charm]

757 😭

Can't wait until Bluebird finally release theirs

Hopefully this year

[dusty sky]

I meant to say A340 😭

On the crt's

[trim harbor]

blueballs 757 please

come

[dusty sky]

Ah yeah look at what I found today

Me when I forget to crop the image

[runic hare]

realops is cool asf

[rustic charm]

Las Vegas

[wide zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/gamblecore-stickman-casino-gamble-gif-7118676210396292522

[rustic charm]

So apparently yesterday a retiring Icelandair pilot decided to just send it, and did an unauthorised low pass over his hometown in Iceland in a 757

[dusty sky]

Did

Did he get arrested?

[rustic charm]

I think not yet, but apparently the airline did report it to the aviation authorities and the police

[dusty sky]

Last time an unauthorized low pass happened the pilots lost their licenses

[rustic charm]

Well yeah, that's what happens when you do an unauthorised low pass

But tbh I doubt that a pilot who's on his last day of flying really cares much lol

[dusty sky]

You lost your license but it was your last day anyway so yeah

[trim harbor]

i saw that video too

[rustic charm]

There are lots of vids

Multiple angles of it

[wide zenith]

imposter

[trim harbor]

time to take her home after a world trip again

[civic aspen]

✈️ Boeing 737-800:
🆔 SP-RKS:
🔢 FR 123/RYR2NQ:
🛫 EGKK London Gatwick:
🛬 EIDW Dublin International:

[trim harbor]

had my first wasm in a 777

annoying

[rustic charm]

Sad

[trim harbor]

[trim harbor]

love the livery

[rustic charm]

That is some very weird routing lol

I guess SimBrief tried to abide by modern restrictions or something

[trim harbor]

yeah

im flying the normal way tho

[runic hare]

sick

[trim harbor]

W

[dusty sky]

@reef isle that is not the right plane is it

yeah no way

[reef isle]

it's close

[dusty sky]

get behind my plane right now

[dusty sky]

drogue down

[reef isle]

don't think I can be stable much closer than that

you jump around a lot

it's a vatsim problem

[dusty sky]

oh I see

yeah

[reef isle]

cool, I'll head back

[dusty sky]

alright

[trim harbor]

damn you're using vr for that

[reef isle]

Yeah I mean

aimlessly flying around a little jet

I don't need to program any computer or do any precise navigation that requires me looking a lot at navigraph

also having a 3d view helps with anything formation/station keeping

[dusty sky]

and FD is down

like

on the runway

[reef isle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOOdluZyaVU

now I have to go because I have actual stuff to do lol

[dusty sky]

big and menacing cursor

[rustic charm]

Beautiful

One of the best airports there is

[hollow oracle]

https://x.com/flightradar24/status/2043711353953624552?s=46

Flightradar24 (@flightradar24)

It appears CP-3243 has crashed after departing La Paz, Bolivia earlier today. The aircraft entered a circling pattern 24 minutes after takeoff, lasting 2 hours, before losing height. Last signal received from the aircraft was at 14:57:57.

https://t.co/4ILr6h6ZqJ

X · Apr 13, 2026, 3:22 PM

Only posting this here because it’s eerily similar to what it looks like when an aircraft is unattended in a flight sim too

[dusty sky]

this thing is so slow it takes me over an hour to fly 175 nautical miles

[untold finch]

But you look real cool for that hour

[dusty sky]

cirrus doing a world wide tour with the SF50 lets just call it that

[trim harbor]

it does look cool

[rustic charm]

This would be an interesting delivery

From there would have to go down to Vladivostok and then off to Anchorage to scare US controllers

Okay, seems like I'm gonna have to split it in the end

First

The route distance is 600km over what the plane in the sim allows as a maximum input in the loadsheet lol

Second, if I fly empty, my CGs are like 12% out of range

If I load just enough to make the TOCG appear in range, I am over MTOW

[dusty sky]

It's fine wdym

If aerosucre can do it so can you

[rustic charm]

Guess I'll cut it short at UERP

I am now really questioning how they used to get these planes with passengers from Vladivostok to Anchorage

[dusty sky]

Shorter flight init

[rustic charm]

Well this is fun

The winds at UERP really favour RWY 17

So I'll have to do a VORDME approach onto a runway which doesn't even have proper lighting

[rustic charm]

It isn't

Both are about 7 hours

[dusty sky]

Uh

Better skill init

[rustic charm]

Also this will end up as the northernmost airport I've flown to as of yet

[runic hare]

The sim is a bit wrong some were fitted with extra fuel tanks

The 154 in the game is modeled based on a Belavia example

They never went further than faro really

[rustic charm]

Fair

Guess in case what I'll just do the same as I did with the Hawaiian DC-9 delivery

[dusty sky]

Is bro actually gonna do vatsim

[rustic charm]

Eventually

[runic hare]

The 154 in vatsim is so fucking fun

I used to do Balkan Holidays charter flights from all over to Burgas and Sofia on vatsim

[dusty sky]

My begging is actually paying off

[rustic charm]

I'm pretty sure you've not asked me to fly vatsim even once

Ah pretty

The AP doesn't work

[dusty sky]

accurate

[rustic charm]

@reef isle are you still sure you want to do shared cockpit with me? I managed to break the plane with failures off

[reef isle]

well that's what makes it fun

do you use Little NavMap at all by the way?

[rustic charm]

Idk what that is

[reef isle]

ah yeah, it's a thing you can use for navigation

I have all the RSBN stations there

so I can see where they are on the map

[rustic charm]

That's neat

[reef isle]

it was the only software I found that allowed me to import all of them at once through a big text file

[rustic charm]

Fair

[reef isle]

I'll try to see if I can share that with you in some way that doesn't require you to install any additional software

don't think I can

oh well, you can just look at the RSBN text file in the Tu-154 and work with that yourself

[rustic charm]

Yeah that's fine

Don't you hate it when you find a flight you like in a timetable, and then a couple of days later you just can't find that timetable 😭

Saw NWA 107 a couple of days ago

A cool bunch of hops in a 727, was something like MSP - Billings MT - Helena MT - Missoula MT - Spokane WA - Portland OR - SeaTac

It was in a 1985 timetable iirc

Looked through something like a dozen of timetables from 1984 to 1986, all of them have NWA 105 and 106, but no 107 lol

[dusty sky]

pan am 720

[rustic charm]

Or you could do an NWA 720 instead

[dusty sky]

this?

[rustic charm]

Of course PAA is legendary

But

NWA is cool

I love NWA

[dusty sky]

I'd love to fly with you guys but fd probably not paying for the 2 people host

eh 8 dollars a month not as bad as I imagined it

how does one even change the seat in the cockpit?

[dusky leaf]

LNM is a fantastic piece of freeware

[dusty sky]

not a 154, dislike

[trim harbor]

i should install xplane again

never did a succesful flighgt in the tu tho

[rustic charm]

Pobeda is cool

[trim harbor]

yes

they have a nice livery

[rustic charm]

Yep

And by far not the worst low coster

[dusty sky]

lets just say I didn't make it to schipol

[trim harbor]

guys

i did it

i landed +57fpm in msfs

[rustic charm]

Used the cool runway too I see

[trim harbor]

the uphill one

[rustic charm]

Uphill?

Wait, did you have a giant bump in there too

It shouldn't actually be like that, but that runway has some terrain issues

Honestly I reckon I need to learn the MSFS scenery editing too, in addition to XP

At the very least to fix that thing

Cause Vnukovo is actually a really cool airport

I'd say currently it ends up being the most interesting out of Moscow airports

Cause you still get a constant flow of 737-500s & 767-200s with Utair, and 757s/767s with Azur

Plus before, uhm, a certain orange, Iran Airtour used to fly 300s and 310s there

[trim harbor]

not really, it felt like going up a hill however

@rustic charm who all uses the 500 still actually

[rustic charm]

Tbf a fair few do

[trim harbor]

urghh

[rustic charm]

Utair in Russia as I mentioned

[trim harbor]

i meant in russia

[rustic charm]

Air North in Canada

[trim harbor]

trying to see more of the world rn

[rustic charm]

Sriwajaya in Indonesia

Nam Air too, think it's also Indonesia

I've actually seen 735s of those 2 back in January

[rustic charm]

In Russia only Utair now

Dial back 10-15 years you'd have more

Aurora (flights around the far east) did use 735s

S7

Aeroflot-Nord I think

Oh btw, I think SCAT still uses 735s

Either they still have them, or got rid of them not long ago

[trim harbor]

scat 😭

[rustic charm]

That's the main airline of Kazakhstan

[trim harbor]

yup

banned in the eu

[rustic charm]

They are?

[trim harbor]

yep

because of lacking safety in their airplanes

[rustic charm]

That's... interesting

[trim harbor]

maintenance included

[rustic charm]

Cause you know

[trim harbor]

or well

they were for a LONG time

[rustic charm]

Russian airlines are banned for political reasons

Kazakhstan has no restrictions like that

So they must've actually been doing bad

[trim harbor]

im so late lol

oops.

[rustic charm]

Ah

Well tbf

Not too surprising

Even PIA restrictions got lifted some time ago

[trim harbor]

wait did they?

[rustic charm]

Yeah, I think so

And PIA used to be like, the worst of the worst

I'm pretty sure they managed to crash an A319 in perfect working order while flying in perfect weather conditions

[hollow oracle]

unless if you're absolutely hell-bent on using MSFS and only MSFS for some reason, i wouldnt reccomend it honestly

[trim harbor]

y

[rustic charm]

I've heard a lot of people complain about it, personally though from my last experience with it, it was quite nice

Lots of people dislike the price

And $120 for just the 735 is too much

$120 for all 3, including the freighters, is quite good imo

[trim harbor]

thats what i think too

cheaper than any pmdg product btw

[rustic charm]

I'm just waiting for them to release the rest and hopefully recalculate the price

Cause currently it's 10800r

And if you look up the conversion rate

That's not really $120

Btw, they did say that the 733 and 734 would enter final testing stages right after the 735 1.9.0 release, and that happened almost a month ago, so I think we might even see the rest this month

[trim harbor]

i thoguht it was $120

[rustic charm]

Well

You have a hint just to the right of the price

Also quite likely that Simmarket just charges more

They have a paypal option directly in the launcher now, I'd just try that

[runic hare]

they got banned because 40% of the pilots didn't have licences

now they are back

[runic hare]

scat is actually pretty good

I flew on them in Kazakhstan domestically

on a max

[trim harbor]

wtf?

[trim harbor]

im stupid

its actually

about $50 cheaper LOL

thats actually crazy

holy shit

[rustic charm]

Kazakhstan, most likely in right about post-Soviet times

They had bigger things to worry about than giving out pilot licenses

[runic hare]

not quite 40% but....

scat got banned because of some really really bad crashes

all on CRJ's

kazhakstan is gonna be really interesting in aviation soon

Qazaq air is being bought by VietJetAir

shame because the livery is really nice

will look shitty with the red and yellow

[trim harbor]

terrible plane to begin with

[trim harbor]

\

[hollow oracle]

i kind of want to get back into DCS, but its so hard to justify having it take up 200GB :(

it also tempts me to purchase very expensive digital planes, which is obviously very bad

[dusty sky]

You're saying it as if you don't already do it

[hollow oracle]

to be fair, the last aircraft i bought was the rotate MD-80 3 months ago, and that was coming off of christmas money still

[dusty sky]

I want the felis and I'll be happy for years

[hollow oracle]

the felis is definitely a lot of fun, especially if you're getting into early airliners for the first time, the price to gameplay ratio is very good

[rustic charm]

I feel like at this point we need to crowdfund a 742 for Romania

[dusty sky]

[dusty sky]

Only issue I'll have is the CIVA taking 20 years to program

but that's it really

[hollow oracle]

i personally use whatever the other INS system is, im not a huge fan of the CIVA

it's not too hard to learn how to use the CIVA, especially because so many aircrafts used the same exact unit, but its just not my preferred navigation thing

[dusty sky]

Is it on the pax?

[hollow oracle]

yeah

[dusty sky]

I know how to use it

[hollow oracle]

its a honeywell unit or something, its pretty basic but it allows you to do RNAV waypoints

you can also use the default XP12 FMC im pretty sure, but thats kind of lame

[dusty sky]

I watch a tutorial on a captain sim plane from fsx that was made in like 2008

[dusty sky]

Poo

Thank you captain sim I love paying 17 dollars for a slight exterior difference on the 737-200

No sorry, 20 dollars

[hollow oracle]

the captainsim 717 makes me cry

it has such a massive potential, but its literally unflyable

and the only other option is P3D 717 :(

i bought it the day before my grandmothers funeral too, because i wanted something to distract me for a little bit, but that ended up making it even worse

[dusty sky]

Terrible mistake buying a captain sim to have something to make you happy

[hollow oracle]

in my defense, the 717 is definitely the most well modeled captain sim product out there, and was just recently overhauled quite significantly

[dusty sky]

Yk the thing that I hate is that captain sims models are amazing

Like lets me real the outside modeling absolutely fantastic

Same with the animations

Just everything else is out the fucking window

[hollow oracle]

huh, the 717 for 2024 was actually just updated in january

[dusty sky]

Like the default 747-8 PFD on a 767-300 is actually crazy

Like on the 777 ok maybe

But the 767-300 hell nah bro get out of my house

[trim harbor]

such a pretty livery

[hollow oracle]

southwest heart livery absolutely tops canyon blue

heart livery is so good

[trim harbor]

yes

i swear wasnt there a heart on the tail at some point too

nvm belly

[hollow oracle]

canyon blue is nostalgic, but i do not miss it

[runic hare]

Desert sand enjoyer over here

[civic aspen]

✈️ Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner:
🆔 C-FVLZ:
🔢 ACA 193:
🛫 CYYZ Toronto Lester B Pearson Intl:
🛬 CYYC YGC Calgary Intl:

[hollow oracle]

why is my DCS now launching in phone mode 😭

now its crashing on world preload :(

running as administrator fixed it, there was some permissions issues with files in the user folder

[hollow oracle]

wew, its been a while since ive flown in DCS

the A-10A is a lot of fun, even if its FC3

there's that mod that actually adds clickable stuff to the cockpit too, which makes it pretty alright

i kind of want to see about getting more FC3 stuff, but i also really only enjoy the A-10 because its almost like a light bomber

[reef isle]

Why do people not know ICAO codes

makes the whole Volanta leaderboard things useless

"B48F"

"B74F"

"MD1F"

it's not that hard man

makes my blood boil

"A32N" 😭

"BA46"

do these poeple just guess?

how does that even happen?

[untold finch]

They're likely conflating ICAO and IATA type codes.

[rustic charm]

Tbf MD1F is what TFDis set by default in Volanta for freighters iirc

[reef isle]

That's supremely stupid

[rustic charm]

Also lots of people just look at what SimBrief uses

And it also separates MD11 and MD1F

[reef isle]

sure, but MD1F is not an ICAO code

[untold finch]

The IATA code for the MD-11F is M1F, so I can see where people are getting it from

[rustic charm]

Yep, it's not

[reef isle]

H O W

how did that happen?

stuff like this makes me unreasonably angry

it ruins the data

Nooo "BA46" is also JustFlight's fault

I had one

I fixed it

[untold finch]

https://tenor.com/view/hockey-only-game-bryzgalov-anahe-gif-8306971

[rustic charm]

It's not?

JF by default sets it as "AVROLINER"

[reef isle]

I did say it was unreasonable

[reef isle]

Then it must have been the livery I downloaded...

[untold finch]

You did indeed, I just love that gif

[reef isle]

Yeah I corrected some of them but not all

argh

[rustic charm]

Best part is, it's so easy to look up too

Just

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_type_designators

[reef isle]

I'm going through all of my planes

and I will fix all of them

[untold finch]

There used to be a more complete list on the ICAO website but it's been moved now

Ah, found it: https://www.icao.int/operational-safety/doc-8643-aircraft-type-designators/search

[rustic charm]

Oh even better

Cause the Wikipedia one does have some issues

Like any 707 being equalised to a 703

[untold finch]

Just in case you ever wanted to know what the designator was for a Panavia Tornado or a Bristol Blenheim or something

[rustic charm]

Also huh, didn't realise 777Fs are actually designated as B77L

Gotta fix that on my end

Thankfully, I have a grand total of 1 777F in my virtual fleet

[trim harbor]

b48f is a first

[reef isle]

found another absolute crime

"MD11F"

[trim harbor]

funny

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah some do that too

Also

I don't think anyone posted this here yet

https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim/comments/1sibpb5/introducing_the_rhodiumcode_a350_for_msfs/

Apparently there's a new 350

I wonder why tbh

Cause like

ini isn't the best, true

But also everyone who wants a 350 already has one

Plus beating ini quality is still not that easy, it's not like making a plane that's just better than a default thing

[dusty sky]

Ok bro that's just dumb

Google exists bro it's free

[rustic charm]

Oh

You will not believe

Just how often people refuse to do a simple google search

Or even just read

As a mod on a large server I can definitely confirm that

[dusty sky]

I didn't know what CAVOK meant so I googled it it's that simple 😭

[rustic charm]

You'll message into a chat
"There is currently no news regarding any updates for the game"

5 minutes later, the next message in that same chat will be a person in full seriousness asking "When is the update coming?"

[dusty sky]

Aerodynamics server type shit

No there no release date

When is the plane releasing

[reef isle]

This will haunt me until I'm dead

[trim harbor]

wtf is b462

[reef isle]

BAe146-200

[dusty sky]

464-200

So simple bro

[reef isle]

I think I fixed all my ICAOs

I also added some airlines, but that's way too time consuming

[reef isle]

and I fixed this as well

Now the Volanta leaderboard is ever so slightly more accurate and useful

[trim harbor]

@runic hare fly to berlin in july

im flying ryanair

[runic hare]

ok

[trim harbor]

whats ur schedule like

on the 18th/20th?

[trim harbor]

baller

[reef isle]

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/6/6/3/0448366.jpg?v=v40

@rustic charm Found another fun one

[rustic charm]

I love how they made the tail into an Austrian flag...

[runic hare]

I’m working early shifts

Just a note here I might be on strike

And Germany might also be on strike around that time

[trim harbor]

No pls

[trim harbor]

Bummer

[runic hare]

Way out might be Stansted crew

Way back im not 100% sure

[trim harbor]

Hoping it‘ll be a MAX

[dusty sky]

I gotta fix one of my A310's

A313 is not correct 😭

[runic hare]

Try and book a seat

If 35 rows then max if 33 rows then 800

[trim harbor]

both 33

[runic hare]

Check much closer to departure

Like a week away

Will always change

[rustic charm]

Yeah, that's still 3 months away lol

No airline knows which exact plane will be used in 3 months

Especially when you have something that is reasonably interchangeable, like 738/73M

[runic hare]

Today is bad

French flights are always bad

[trim harbor]

why

[dusty sky]

France

Least used joke ever

[dusty sky]

Guys is this camera even somewhat good for planespotting

Probably shit

[hollow oracle]

it should work, but it definitely wont be anything that would be accepted on jetphotos lol

[dusty sky]

I can imagine 😭

Me when phone camera

[reef isle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH1PWj_lh-0

[runic hare]

French people

Rude obnoxious

Everything

[civic aspen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQJtZSj5WKQ

[civic aspen]

And if you can't be arsed to watch the full video https://youtube.com/shorts/GpjLRZvcPM8

[trim harbor]

just flew a hold for 30 mins

funny

[civic aspen]

Fuel testing to see if it will have enough fuel with no fin res and fully loaded

[rustic charm]

I love those reversers

I know they're the same as on some 320s

But seeing 4 of them open up on 343s looks just soooo much better

[rustic charm]

Which route are you testing?

[reef isle]

Seeing the flaperons and spoilers move is very cool 😄

were these roll inputs made by you or it trying to adjust automatically?

it alsmost looks like the TriStar's DLC 😆

oh looks like they were all roll

how much crosswind was there 😛

[rustic charm]

Personally, moving flight controls all over the place in a Boeing is just a necessary part of the experience, regardless of whether there's crosswind or not

Although I guess it's less applicable to the 787

[reef isle]

My formation flying brain is always trying to move the the least amount possible lol

you have no idea how many times I slowly drift and am slmost "scared" to correct... even though I actually notice

I got over it now (mostly), I think

[rustic charm]

I'm the opposite, sometimes I need to correct less tbf

(It figures, for almost a year in the beginning the only plane I used was the 737)

[reef isle]

I didn't realize how much I missed this until now

so nice, just manual flying, basic instrument scan
nothing to program, no bad A/P to worry about
just flying.
(and taxiing given it's Amsterdam on 18R... sigh)

Doing testing and receiving products early is nice

but it really takes a toll on the enjoyment factor

[hollow oracle]

732… receiving products early…

[reef isle]

No

the 732 is my getaway

[hollow oracle]

[reef isle]

I've been involved with ini's 1011

and like it's very nice

I think in some way my brain is sort of wired in the correct sort of way to do testing, and it's very rewarding seeing your little complains ultimately shaping a product

or like, you know, making a small difference

obviously I wouldn't call the 1011 "my" or "our" plane/project, it's theirs and I was just annoying them sometimes, but it's still a good feeling

[dusty sky]

I hate you

[reef isle]

and I have definitely enjoyed flying the 1011.

and honestly my brain realistically does "testing" even when I'm not an actual tester

so having a plane that is just as basic as it gets, on a platform that is no longer in development, and I know it just works, and I'm very familiar with everything

is just

nice

I can just fly, and not worry about anything else

something I get to do fairly rarely otherwise 😭

I genuinely missed the enjoyment of just flying

I didn't even want to turn the A/P on at any point

I nearly got rid of the F/D because it was the only thing that needed baby sitting you know, having to change the pitch command datum and everything

yeah sorry about all this

not sure why I wrote all that, doubt anyone cares

[rustic charm]

Lovely

Now I want a 732

Although I guess the "Now" part is unnecessary, I always want a 732

Those were some of the first jets Aurora got, imagine doing hops on them between Vladivostok, Blagoveshchensk, Magadan, Petropavlovsk and Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk

One of my favourite areas to fly tbh, it's just so pretty

[dusty sky]

FD why are you doing this to me

[rustic charm]

In my opinion there's no need to apologise, we all talk, most of us talk a lot, nothing wrong with sharing an opinion

[trim harbor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/flightradar24/comments/1sn39kw/italys_most_elite_special_forces_helicopters_are/

this is how i find out LOL

[rustic charm]

Oh god

I hope they manage to free the hostages with no casualties

[trim harbor]

oh great

[rustic charm]

And get them robbers 3 consecutive life sentences (3's better than 1 in that case)

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah, fuel is very close to being out everywhere

Idk whether Russia is affected (cause you know, it's been cut off for over 4 years now)

But I know that even in the US, even though they refine their own fuel (literally the only country in the world to use Jet A instead of Jet A1) there are problems

[hollow oracle]

https://youtu.be/fDEsGLfUNYE?si=giPyNSZTqEwb79Ol

i love how the rest of the world is finally finding out about 121.5

[rustic charm]

I thought that was fake lol

[hollow oracle]

its very real

counterargument: having random activity on an otherwise empty emergency channel is good because it means that you can verify that you can actually hear it

i dont think it should be a free-for-all, but i feel like having something isnt bad

[rustic charm]

Oh definitely

At least you know the frequency works

[hollow oracle]

i can only imagine tuning into 121.5, and not realizing that you have the volume on the knob turned down for whatever reason

[rustic charm]

Yeah

[hollow oracle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/flightradar24/comments/1sm9s8t/i_dont_think_sprit_airlines_is_doing_too_well/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

People shit on spirit airlines all of the time, but when I took them to Orlando, it was a fantastic experience

It’s not a luxury brand, it’s like taking a bus, you go on spirit airlines to get from point A to B, cheap and fast

People expect spirit to be like American or delta, higher end brands that actually are a little bit more comfortable, but that’s fundamentally not remotely what it’s designed to be

[civic aspen]

Toronto - Calgary

[civic aspen]

Me xD

And a bit lol

[rustic charm]

Yeah, I think a Dreamliner can probably make that XD

[civic aspen]

How did they make the 2024 787 worse than the 2020 one

It's all over the show trying to do LNAV

[trim harbor]

vfr for a change

[civic aspen]

And somehow it has stalled itself

Still managed to get a smooth landing but after fighting it

[rustic charm]

Absolutely one of the best liveries MD-11s wore

Cool departure

Essentially if I used the opposite runway, it'd be a straight out

But the winds favoured this one a lot

Just started descending after a whole 5 minutes of cruise

Actually even less, just over 3 minutes

[rustic charm]

NoOne signature descent profile

[civic aspen]

@rustic charm for the VATSIM Cross the Pond event, deciding to do KATL - UUEE in a 777-200LR

Old DAL route

[rustic charm]

Neat

[civic aspen]

Use to be 763/764 so i think it's a good alternative

[rustic charm]

Fair

I'd probably go for a 772 though? I'd say closer to a 767

[civic aspen]

What an ER?

[rustic charm]

But obviously in the end, fly whatever you like most

[rustic charm]

Yep

[civic aspen]

Would it be able to do that distance?

[rustic charm]

Should be

It's what

10-ish hours

Should be well within its abilities

[civic aspen]

That works for me then

[rustic charm]

Plus Delta actually used to have 772s in older liveries

And I'm pretty sure AJP did those liveries

[full plank]

Delta 777-200ER my beloved

[rustic charm]

https://flightsim.to/addon/105136/delta-air-lines-eras-pack-pmdg-777-200er

Yep, both Ron Allen and Deltaflot there

[civic aspen]

I will grab that

[rustic charm]

(Deltaflot seems appropriate to fly into Sheremetyevo)

[civic aspen]

This was the one I was thinking about

[rustic charm]

Aaand I was just reminded about why I stay in 2020 whenever possible...

The sim's just frozen

On final approach

It couldn't do it right after departure, no, that would be too easy

At least it's just a 1-hour flight lol

[full plank]

I once had my sim freeze on a 12 hour London-Hong Kong flight

that wasn't very nice

[civic aspen]

mmm

[rustic charm]

In Sheremetyevo it's gonna be literally

There's 1 impostor among us

Or

How do you do, fellow Aeroflots

[civic aspen]

Yes

I've never flown into Russia

Any good scenery for the Airport?

[rustic charm]

No freeware as far as I know

For payware, there's Drzewiecki

[civic aspen]

Oh yes it'll be good then

I'll pick that up

It's either I buy that or the new HST pack, and I'd rather the airport

Nothing against it just gone off of TSW

[rustic charm]

Admittedly one of his weaker, pretty sure it was among the first he's done for MSFS, and when you know the airport personally there are lots of issues