#Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

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reef isle
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I've got no idea

rustic charm
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I expect more

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You know

reef isle
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Alright fair enough kekw

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Destination: Europe

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Maybe Germany (if it goes well)

rustic charm
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I've had it go to like 5 miles of drift in a 727 going from Seattle to Ottawa

reef isle
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Woah really?

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Oh that's a transcon flight isn't it

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Then yeah

rustic charm
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Well, almost a full transcon

reef isle
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Had a huge brain fart moment where I thought "aren't they both really close" and then realized... At least I didn't write it kekw

rustic charm
reef isle
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Proper flying

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Best of luck

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(maybe do a position update just before going to bed?)

rustic charm
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You know

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Maybe I should, uhh

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Wing it

reef isle
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Actually sounds fun hahah

rustic charm
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4900 miles

reef isle
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Hopefully the plane doesn't misbehave, feel free to blame me if it does of course

rustic charm
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Tracking 020

reef isle
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Korean 007 moment

rustic charm
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Well at least I'm not flying anywhere near the USSR

reef isle
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Then that's totally fine

rustic charm
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Although tbf KAL managed to get a Paris - Anchorage flight break the Soviet airspace lol

reef isle
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They genuinely just flew in heading mode

rustic charm
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For 007 yeah

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They forgot to switch it

reef isle
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Yep

rustic charm
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But there was another flight before that

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A 707

reef isle
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OOOOOOOOH right

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Yeah I think I know what you mean

rustic charm
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Flying Paris - Anchorage - Seoul

reef isle
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Yeah I've heard of it

rustic charm
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And due to it overflying essentially exactly the magnetic north pole, the INS just said "aight I'm outta here"

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The plane made an almost U-turn

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Breached the Soviet airspace over Kola penninsula

reef isle
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Ooof

rustic charm
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Got shot down and made an emergency landing

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I think they landed it on a frozen lake

reef isle
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It's a big rule of mine that when this stuff happens I never judge the real pilots from my armchair pretend to fly pixel plane position

rustic charm
reef isle
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But man

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How can can you see your heading being like 130 after a long right turn, and think "that's fine"

rustic charm
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"The crew of Flight 902 blamed the compass, which had started working incorrectly, due to the flight path of KAL 902 flying close to the magnetic north pole"

reef isle
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Interesting

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I think those were just different times

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I don't remember if I ever posted it here, I think I did

rustic charm
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But also

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Thing is

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There are essentially 2 stories in this situation

reef isle
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But on the DAL 1011 manual there's a whole page that's like "extremely basic cross checks to make sure you always kind of know when you are even if you're using an INS for dummies"

rustic charm
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The story that the crew tells, and the story that the air defence tells

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Like

reef isle
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Right...

rustic charm
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The USSR AF obviously says they tried to contact the airliner several times, yet got no response

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The crew obviously says they tried to contact the interceptors, but got no response

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And you really can't know who to believe

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Obviously the USSR would try to shift the blame onto the crew, if there is any blame

reef isle
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But yeah, at the same time that doesn't seem the most alert and observant crew πŸ˜…

rustic charm
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And the crew clearly messed up in some way or another, cause not noticing that your plane is going in a direction not even remotely close to the intended ones is weird

reef isle
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Yeah what an extremely weird incident all around

rustic charm
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I've seen some mentions a while ago (again, choose for yourselves whether to believe it or not, cause as always there's 0 proof that it did happen, and just as 0 proof that it didn't) that after the plane was disassembled, the USSR found what they described as "surveillance equipment" onboard, stuff not usually present in 707s

reef isle
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Riiight

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That sounds exactly the sort of stuff the Soviet Union would say πŸ˜›

rustic charm
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Yeah

reef isle
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But I guess at the same time this wouldn't even be the US' wackiest idea during the cold war

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So who knows πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

rustic charm
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But at the same time, who's to say the US wouldn't resort to using another country's civillian planes to do their thing

reef isle
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Yeah exactly...

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The fact that the Soviets didn't release the black boxes certainly leads you to believe they'd found something "wrong" with their reaction, I'm sure that if they clearly showed the crew was all to blame they'd release them?

rustic charm
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And obviously it being a civil airliner just makes it easier to say it was a simple navigational mistake, not an intentional test of the air defence

reef isle
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Yeah...

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FOIA time? Any US citizens here? πŸ˜›

rustic charm
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Or

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It could also just be the USSR being the USSR

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They pretty much never released flight recordings etc

reef isle
rustic charm
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In fact most of the time they would do their best to make sure any accident gets 0 publicity, and nobody actually knows that there was a plane down

reef isle
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Although that's much easier if it's not an international flight

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And foreign airline

rustic charm
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True

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Cause well, in a case like this, Korean authorities would 100% be involved

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And most likely American too

reef isle
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Yep

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Am I right in thinking South Korea and the US were very close during that time? Probably more than they are now

rustic charm
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Although I wouldn't say any involvement of the US authorities would even be weird or suspicious. It's entirely normal that Boeing would like to know why the hell a 707 would do something like that

rustic charm
reef isle
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Yeah that's what I was thinking too

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Guessing the memory of the wars in South East Asia were a lot more prominent back then

rustic charm
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In fact tbf, I think it would be more suspicious if the FAA/NTSB/Boeing weren't involved

reef isle
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Without needing a tin foil hat

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If the US wanted to spy/test the USSR defences, this was probably one of the better ways to do it

rustic charm
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That was 1978

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So it's just 3 years off the end of the US' tour in Vietnam

reef isle
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Although I do think it's not very probable. But definitely it's not a crazy conspiracy I don't think

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Unless there are some facts I'm not aware of

rustic charm
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Yeah. Basically, is it a conspiracy theory? Yes. Is there any way to prove or disprove it? No. Is it one of the more probable & realistic theories out there? Well, it's definitely more probable than earth being flat

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The main thing that imo is weird about it, is how the crew didn't notice the turn

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Like, in the case of KAL 007, the plane was following roughly the route it needed, and it didn't make any unexpected/sudden movements

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In this case, it would've been a lengthy right turn, and knowing the autopilots & nav equipment of that age, it would've been a rather abrupt one too

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So hardly something you can just disregard

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But at the same time, there are many reason why the crew could've disregarded it

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Fatigue, wrong compass indications, simple confusion...

reef isle
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Yeah exactly

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Everything is just odd

rustic charm
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Yeah

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Like, I'd say if you're not fully paying attention, I could see how you could miss it

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And at that stage of the flight, I doubt the pilots were at the top of their alertness

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With a non-functioning compass, the only way to really understand how much you turn is by calculating it from the speed, bank and turn duration

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Which the crew wouldn't be doing for sure

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So for all they knew, the autopilot could've just been correcting course after being slightly off for whichever reason

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Also great success, MSFS just creashed...

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Luckily this conversation actually prevented me from doing any work so I was still on the ground dogelul

rustic charm
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I am stupid

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I only now noticed that my plan starts in Long Beach instead of Palmdale...

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Too used to delivering MDs lol

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And I have stab trim out of range...

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Perfect

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Will have to pull up a fair bit more I guess

rustic charm
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Cool

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So

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On the ground I forgot to switch the INS from alignment mode to nav mode

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So now it kinda gave up

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Looks like I fixed it

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3am is fun

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The 1011 AT can only be referenced with IAS, right? Can't set a mach number for it to follow?

ancient burrow
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NBT23 | Airborne out of Oslo, Norway and bound for Miami.

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On the cruise FL380 over the waters.

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Thunderheads up and down the Easter Seaboard. Many had Tops up to FL480.

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On final "Zero Niner" / Miami.

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On Blocks, Gate E30 to complete the ten hour journey.

fickle oar
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only way to get mach displayed is by using TM mode but that follows the PMS and cant be adjusted in flight

rustic charm
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Yay, 7-something hours later I'm still in the air

dusty sky
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Me when better pushback

runic hare
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On the subject of Italy….

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Fuck sake

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Ridiculous

rustic charm
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Huh, I wonder if anything's wrong...

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I think it's been like that for a while and I just didn't notice dogelul

dusty sky
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idk bro that's not very normal

rustic charm
rustic charm
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I did an in-flight restart afterwards, and transferred all the fuel from the centre tanks into the wing tanks too

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Ngl, the 1011 fuel system is kinda fun

trim harbor
trim harbor
rustic charm
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Yeah

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Amazing on trijets

trim harbor
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the sim froze after that screenshot

rustic charm
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😭

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A screenshot so good the sim decided to look at it for a while longer

trim harbor
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it thankfully unfroze

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i hate this new routing

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takes a long time to get to india

rustic charm
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Oh yeah, it's quite a bit of a detour

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Although tbf

trim harbor
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16 hours instead of 13

rustic charm
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I've always found that going towards the middle east feels, idk, longer than it should

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I guess it's just perception, generally you think the countries here aren't that big, so once you're away from Europe you just think "Hey, just Turkey and Iraq left, then a bit over the gulf and I'm landing in Dubai". Then... 4 hours

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Btw

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How hard is it to do a simple repaint for XP

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I just want to change the colour of the TSO 744 engines

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They should be blue, but the paint doesn't fully work so for me they are white

trim harbor
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depends if u do it with blender or paint/gimp

rustic charm
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Well, which is easier

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That's what matters to me lol

trim harbor
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for engines most likely gimp

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unless u know how blender works

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i used to make liveries in gimp

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it worked well for simple stuff

rustic charm
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Fair

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Guess will eventually try

trim harbor
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1.30 hr left

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thank god

reef isle
reef isle
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The vertical ones

rustic charm
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They weren't, I fixed it later lol

reef isle
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Oh right hahah

runic hare
trim harbor
runic hare
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lol

trim harbor
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is it hard to become cc actually

runic hare
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6 pages of bases

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Like u need to k ow your shit and be ready to get paid fuck all

trim harbor
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bruh the pay is bad?

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im suprised

runic hare
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Yeah

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Ryanair is terrible

trim harbor
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is it a fun job though?

runic hare
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Very

trim harbor
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they dont have a pay thing set out

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i dont like that

runic hare
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No

trim harbor
runic hare
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In Germany it’s about 23-26k eur per year after tax

trim harbor
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WTF ONLY?

runic hare
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Uk it’s between 21-23k

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Yeah

trim harbor
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nevermind

runic hare
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It’s nothing

trim harbor
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52k vs 26k

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yikes

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but it seems like a direct entry into aviation

runic hare
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Ye

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I gotta board a bunch of angry sweaty Italians now

reef isle
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That's very sad to hear

trim harbor
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lufthansa pays equally as trash

reef isle
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It's a very important safety critical job

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Oof

trim harbor
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atleast for lufthansa city

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i dont wanna sound like this guy but idk if i could do short haul FA

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i'd much prefer flying long haul

reef isle
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And spending so much time flying does have some real health implications

reef isle
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I'd just have to work in a completely different industry

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Obviously not saying F/A are "worse", or that I don't respect them

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It's just looking at that from my life's (and choices) perspective

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And yeah, I know it's a "toxic" way to look at it

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It's how my brain works unfortunately, and I'm aware it has probably caused me some big issues from a "career" PoV πŸ™

trim harbor
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any job in aviation is a job i'd like to do

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becoming a pilots' expensive and if i have some history w the airline they might pay bit of it ontop

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aerologics' offering ATPL academy with direct entry on the T7 for a whopping 115kEUR

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which seems decent

reef isle
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Integrated ATPL

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Before next year, I'll have to figure out if it's possible/responsible getting this amount of money myself and seeing if I can actually do it

rustic charm
reef isle
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I hope I'm not offending anyone, but I'm not too fond of the idea of being a "hobbyist" pilot

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Don't think the economic and environmental cost is worth it for my own personal enjoyment

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No matter how much I'd actually enjoy doing it

rustic charm
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I mean, I'm just not too interested in GA, or even bizjets

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So like, I would like to get through to airlines

reef isle
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Yeah same

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I'd definitely rather do the integrated than modular

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For this exact same reason

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And think that in the US you'd have to get 10k hours before being able to work for the airlines...

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Because of an incident that had nothing to do about lack of experience

rustic charm
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AirArabia is 190k iirc

reef isle
rustic charm
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I think it's 18 - 26

reef isle
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Maybe the changed since I looked at it then?

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IIRC 21-26 was only if you completed university

rustic charm
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Yep

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Before 21 you only need a high school certificate to apply

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After 21 you need a degree

reef isle
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So that's me gone πŸ₯²

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(not that I could have afforded 200k+ πŸ˜… )

rustic charm
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Tbf they just raised the price recently

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I think I know why

reef isle
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When I looked at it I think it was still 180k or something

rustic charm
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Before March it was 180k

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Which is still expensive

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But also at least that covers everything

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You get accommodation for the duration of the course, 3 daily meals, etc

reef isle
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And the reason why it's expensive is because you'd get paid a lot in Emirates

rustic charm
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Tbf I wouldn't be too certain on getting right to Emirates

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Wouldn't be too surprised if FlyDubai was the first stop

reef isle
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Well, IIRC they did advertise that they'd give you a type rating on the 777 or A380

rustic charm
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Hmm, not seen that

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But could be tbf

reef isle
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I saw that half a year ago

trim harbor
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love unpausing the sim

rustic charm
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Well 220k is due to what I expect is rising fuel prices

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I wonder who caused the rising fuel prices

rustic charm
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It was normally 180k

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And as I said, that includes an apartment on campus for 2 years (a rather nice one too)

trim harbor
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for direct entry for LH

reef isle
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The only positive thing that could come out of the fuel price hike is more support for electric trains πŸ™

trim harbor
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hoenstly not too bad

reef isle
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A few of my friends were trying to avoid DLH and other LH Groups carriers for this reason

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(like EWG)

rustic charm
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Well, knowing about that flight, I wouldn't be surprised if DLH/Lufthansa Group are stricter on that

reef isle
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Yes

trim harbor
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dont see why i'd fail tho

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i already have control of peoples life ArtiaSmug

reef isle
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I'd always be scared to do any kind of psychological examination. I can't help but feel that a lot of it is very always very "subjective"

trim harbor
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it is

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it's based on scores and stuff

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i've had the pleasure to view a few when doing my psych ward training

reef isle
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Yeah but like, maybe one psychologist thinks X is fine, another thinks you're the next Lubitz

rustic charm
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Well, tbf every academy (especially ATPL courses) requires some psychological evaluation

reef isle
rustic charm
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But usually they're not like full-on evaluations

trim harbor
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if all fails ill just do my ppl and vibe

reef isle
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Yeah, it's fairly basic

reef isle
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Is just a little harder than to get a driver's license

trim harbor
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seems like a dream

rustic charm
trim harbor
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15 hour flight
get hit with this

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i just wanna land boss

rustic charm
trim harbor
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or guy sdont worry

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if ppl doesnt work either jsut build a homecockpit

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same price as a ppl

rustic charm
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Tbf with WinWing it's getting cheaper and cheaper too

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I am still absolutely shocked by a $350 full A320 overhead panel

trim harbor
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i am thinking about building a homecockpit

rustic charm
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Like come on

trim harbor
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for that reason

rustic charm
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$350????

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That's a steal

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Around $500 for a force feedback floor-mounted yoke, essentially a 1:1 737 yoke replica?

trim harbor
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how much would a current a320 cockpit from them cost

rustic charm
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Let me see

trim harbor
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another sunset landing

rustic charm
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Counting prices listed for global shipping here

trim harbor
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actually a terrible approach

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landing right into the sun

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also smoggy/foggy asf

rustic charm
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  • Sidestick: $62.40
  • Full throttle pack: $242.98
  • Airbus rudder with damper: $338.56
  • Full A320 glareshield: $319.05
  • MCDU: $133.85
  • ECAM: $57.63
  • AGP: 116.34
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Total: $1270.81

trim harbor
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this is awful oml

rustic charm
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Add $350 for a full overhead when it eventually appears

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There's 1 major problem right now though

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No PFD/ND

rustic charm
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Landing right into the sun is annoying

trim harbor
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this is why i hate flying to india

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the smogs awful

rustic charm
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Yeah, wouldn't wanna do that

fickle oar
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its cool smog is acc modelled in the game tho

rustic charm
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Never actually flown to india in sims yet

trim harbor
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empty airspace if i do say so myself

rustic charm
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The closest I did was Sri Lanka

fickle oar
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theres not a lot of good msfs sceneries for india sadly

rustic charm
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Also light pollution, I don't think any sims other than MSFS do it

trim harbor
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my love

fickle oar
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myeah

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xp has decent clouds but the nightlights are just sprites afaik

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so no emitted light

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D:

trim harbor
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it's probably coming

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lr has been cooking with xp12

rustic charm
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Oh definitely, they're upgrading and upgrading

fickle oar
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xp is Untitled1

rustic charm
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So I wouldn't say that anything is completely off the table

fickle oar
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lack of addon updates and generally new ones

trim harbor
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it's too bad because xplane is genuinely an amazing platform

fickle oar
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and the sim requires quite some effort to just look pleasing visually still

rustic charm
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3 engines is always cooler than 2

trim harbor
rustic charm
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Probably gotta fly an MD-11

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But idk where

trim harbor
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quito

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LH cargo

rustic charm
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Don't wanna do long hauls

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I would've done a Delta delivery, but...

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Delta's based in ATL

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I hate ATL

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Would've done a Delta 772 delivery too, but same issue

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I love how Delta's old liveries look

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Even Ron Allen which iirc many people dislike

trim harbor
rustic charm
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That sounds cool

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But

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My DLH 11 is in Frankfurt

fickle oar
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the current delta livery is criminally lame

trim harbor
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yes

fickle oar
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compared to ron allen or widget

rustic charm
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Exactly

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Honestly

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Even Deltaflot was better imo

fickle oar
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oy yes

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it would make sense for them to bring back some similar to those older ones nowadays, as they are trying to up their premium game again

rustic charm
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Honestly Delta liveries have always been amazing/great, until now

fickle oar
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cant exactly say that the current eurowhite screams premium

rustic charm
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Even back in piston ops days they had an amazing livery

fickle oar
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bring back cheatlines

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also does anyone have the ursa throttle

trim harbor
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whats that

rustic charm
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Like, try to tell me this doesn't look incredible

fickle oar
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winctrl airbus throttle

rustic charm
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6 FCKING HOURS

trim harbor
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oh i only have some other stuff from wnctrl

rustic charm
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To just get from LA to Atlanta

trim harbor
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it's alright

rustic charm
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Was not as amazing

fickle oar
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i c

trim harbor
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quality wise it's good

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but i have some screw issues

fickle oar
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cuz i was gonna ask how one would bind it with the l1011

trim harbor
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i gotta retighten my screws every few days/weeks

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not a big deal but annoying

fickle oar
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do u have the airbus stick?

trim harbor
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neg, i have combat stuff as i flew alot of dcs

rustic charm
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I use the TM stick and Honeycomb Bravo for throttles. No problems with either

fickle oar
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icl, quality of the dampening is poop but hey its 60 bucks so

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prolly gonna get a Bruner and a Moza later on

rustic charm
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Well, I used Honeycomb, but currently it sits in a storage unit cause I had to move around a bit, and the bravo is just bit too bulky to constantly take with you

fickle oar
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myeah

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speaking of the bravo

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blackbird controls have got some sick throttles for it

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727 replicas

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etc

rustic charm
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Yeah, they're quite good iirc

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Don't own any custom levers for it yet

fickle oar
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V1 has been praising them quite a lot

rustic charm
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But I plan to get a bunch

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I've even seen DC-6 sets on ebay

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Prodesksim also have a bunch, I've been told theirs are bit worse than blackbird though

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But also, they are the only ones who have MD-11 levers for example

trim harbor
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they're decently priced ngl

rustic charm
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Honestly I'm not sure how I got here but I don't think that's an MD-11

trim harbor
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w finnair livery

rustic charm
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Tbf I prefer the older one, but I think 340s didn't wear it

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I did have an MD-11 in the older livery, but I don't think it was updated to v2

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Ngl, if I had a choice irl of any single plane to get a TR on, it'd be a tough choice between the 340 and the MD-11

trim harbor
rustic charm
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Toulouse indeed

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Every big airbus starts there

rustic charm
trim harbor
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pick me up mom

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im scared

runic hare
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Nah that’s fire

trim harbor
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manual flight lets go

rustic charm
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Where tf are you flying to, that weather doesn't look like Earth

trim harbor
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norfolk airport

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we doin cat 3 dual on this one πŸ’ͺ

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the closer i get the more red it gets jfc

rustic charm
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Do you have some beef with Thor or something

trim harbor
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i really gotta be sent into retraining for the a320

rustic charm
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ILS decided to say "aight I'm out"

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Still no ILS, so going visual

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MSFS weather be like

dusty sky
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How much I'd love the flight factor 777

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Or the felis

trim harbor
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both of them

trim harbor
hollow oracle
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lmao

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thank you navigraph, i wasnt sure what app i had launched

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it does that sometimes where its like double size, but ive never had it be half of the screen before

hollow oracle
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new xplane update bad :(

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simtoolkit crashed my sim when i launched it and connected it

runic hare
runic hare
# reef isle Don't you have to pass a special psychological exam for DLH?

You need one for any job working on planes, not just pilots and not just Lufthansa group. After the Germanwings incident it became pretty standard practice across the industry. A lot of safeguards now compared to before. At Ryanair we have a zero trust policy so no one is ever left in the FD by themselves with the door locked under any circumstances. DLH group have a very similar thing these days.

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Also I wanna note a fully integrated course is all well and good until you realise you have a 6 month leeway before your licence expires and it was all for naught. Modular takes longer and is considerably cheaper and it also gives you a really good in to keep the licence if airlines decide to lay off half their employees because fuel is too expensive.

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A lot of people I know had significant issues with integrated courses

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Also knowing those people, they are all unbearable β€œdaddy’s money” types

reef isle
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Riiight

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I see

rustic charm
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Genuinely curious cause I don't think I've seen any mentions of that, maybe something I missed

runic hare
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Just for ATPL if your not flying

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That might just be a CAA thing

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Remains of a Greek sparrow

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Or some small thing

rustic charm
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Ah, understandable

reef isle
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No Sorry

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I didn't want to delete it

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It's back

dusky leaf
#

No bunnies were harmed in this flight

rustic charm
#

Alaska

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Honestly, the wildlife & aviation mix there is just crazy

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I think the only ever recorded aircraft fishstrike was in Alaska?

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Then I've heard about deerstrikes

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Bearstrikes too I think?

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Btw, there's a free Yak-40 for XP12, right? Remember someone tellng me

trim harbor
dusky leaf
# rustic charm Btw, there's a free Yak-40 for XP12, right? Remember someone tellng me
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Was great in 11, not tried in 12

rustic charm
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Neat, thanks

trim harbor
#

love the a330

trim harbor
#

-353fpm

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i cant land for shit anymore

tired pond
tired pond
rustic charm
#

Dear XP

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How am I supposed to deliver planes

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When the factory airports don't exist 😭

#

Idk why UWKG just doesn't exist at all

#

I need to get my Tupolevs somehow

#

How hard is it to edit scenery in XP

#

Cause like, if I can at least place the apron, a couple taxiways and the runway, that's good enough for me

dusty sky
#

Idk why you're complaining

tired pond
#

Anything below 500 is fine, people are too obsessed about buttering it and then float down the runway lmao

dusty sky
#

I wanted like -300 maybe on that landing

rustic charm
#

There's one rather important reason why buttering is not necessary

dusty sky
#

But ofc the plane decided to climb and fucked me up

rustic charm
#

That being, the runway ain't infinite

dusty sky
tired pond
#

RAAS be like 10 metres remaining and you still haven't touched down

rustic charm
dusty sky
#

At jfk?

rustic charm
#

Anywhere

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Tbf, if I'm on a flight, I'd rather land with a bit of a bang than look out of the window and see the touchdown markings come and go

hollow oracle
#

Gs are the more important measurement for landing too

rustic charm
#

Like, when you're in an A320/737 and come to land on a 4km runway, you can sacrifice some landing distance for smoothness. When you're in the likes of a 777, best not

dusty sky
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I'd rather autoland in CAVOK conditions at this point cuz I get like -700 every landing __

rustic charm
#

If you autoland every time, you'll never learn

hollow oracle
#

autoland in sims is way too inconsistent too

rustic charm
#

Really depends on the devs from my experience

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So yeah, it might do good

hollow oracle
#

and the quality of the airport you're landing at too

rustic charm
#

It might as well don't dogelul

dusty sky
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I have landed at kai tak smoother than at Dubai bro I am inconsistent af 😭

rustic charm
#

I mean, that's already better than empty

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I have a runway at least

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A very uneven runway

reef isle
rustic charm
#

Fair

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I'm still only getting to grips with the editor

dusty sky
#

what did you do my guy

rustic charm
#

Which tbf is quite a bit better than MSFS

dusty sky
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or you could like

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uninstall the scenery

rustic charm
#

My whole thinking in this case is just "Anything is better than not having the airport at all"

dusty sky
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then go to steam

rustic charm
reef isle
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I'm be happy to pay, at some point I'd appreciate if you could share some of these, the lack of these small airports has been frustrating for me too

rustic charm
#

UWKG just doesn't exist

dusty sky
#

xplane 12

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properties

rustic charm
dusty sky
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installed files

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verify integrety of game files

rustic charm
#

I imagine the reason it doesn't exist in the first place is because, being a Tupolev factory, it's considered a strategic military object

dusty sky
#

oh

rustic charm
#

Finding any info about it is a pain

dusty sky
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that's the tupolev factory πŸ’€

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there was an american airlines 787 that flew to constanta here in romania on the 4th

rustic charm
#

I can literally see on the maps that both runway ends have ILS, but can I make it? No. Why? Cause there's 0 information

rustic charm
#

I might

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Tbf, I myself won't need it to have ILS lol

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Cause I'll only be flying out of there

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But well

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Once I'm done with this one and understand the editor a bit

#

If there's any airport you feel is missing, I don't mind looking at it

reef isle
#

I had a big navigraph flight plan with all Yak-40 flights from an airport, and almost all of them were missing

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let's see if I can find it

rustic charm
#

Obviously I won't do great or high-quality stuff, I can't

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But I imagine even just something you can fly into is better than having nothing

reef isle
#

Ah yes, this time the problem was that the airport wasn't in navigraph kekw

rustic charm
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Hahah

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It can happen if it's closed and not well-known

reef isle
#

yeah the airport is actually there

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but isn't recognized as such

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IIRC Baiknour cosmodrome was the same

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I'm sure I still have my beluga flight plan somewhere

rustic charm
#

Seriously?

reef isle
#

(I'll never fly it kekw)

rustic charm
#

Not having Baikonur is weird

reef isle
#

I did all of this by hand, the simbrief ones were absolutely terrible

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I did it so long ago that one airway already broke 😭

rustic charm
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The first is this one, right? Kolpashevo

reef isle
#

Looks like it yes

trim harbor
rustic charm
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I hope you do realise that if I make it, it'll be just the runways, taxiways etc dogelul

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I have no idea where to even start with any custom objects

rustic charm
#

100m is a lot lol

runic hare
#

Some Russian forum somewhere on the internet

rustic charm
#

Hmm, fair

runic hare
#

Amazing thing with XP tho you can add brand new airports

trim harbor
runic hare
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Set ILS, VOR’s and have everything work like it was default scenery

rustic charm
#

Overall it seems much easier to make stuff than in MSFS

runic hare
#

You can get Kai Tak in xp it doesn’t exist on the default scenery

rustic charm
#

Gotta say, making taxiways ain't that simple

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Great success, we have some janky taxiways and aprons

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Btw this is how the whole Tupolev facility looks like kekw

trim harbor
rustic charm
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Basically lol

rustic charm
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Damn, kinda proud even

dusty sky
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let him cook

rustic charm
#

Why the fuck are there basketball courts inside the Tupolev airport/factory

civic aspen
reef isle
trim harbor
hollow oracle
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2024 only :(

trim harbor
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kind of a bumnme rthat its the 70

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BBJ and cargo

rustic charm
#

How much will it cost anyway, roughly the price of a coffee?

trim harbor
#

box ops

rustic charm
#

Does the default XP library really not include a single dirt road...

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What am I supposed to do now? UWKG literally consists of dirt roads 😭

hollow oracle
hollow oracle
rustic charm
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Nah, don't lie to me

trim harbor
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they said it'll be free

rustic charm
#

PMDG and free never stand in the same sentence

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But tbf, I guess it's cool

tired pond
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The update adding the cabin and stuff for the 600, 800 and 900 for MF2024 are free

trim harbor
dusty sky
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bro what

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I think the flaps are stuck as well

trim harbor
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LOL

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what r u flying

dusty sky
#

737-800

rustic charm
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If flaps/slats are stuck on one side, I'm pretty sure you're supposed to extend flaps to get the other side to the same position (or at least as close as possible)

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You really don't want to fly with flaps out on one wing, but not on the other

dusty sky
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they're both stuck

rustic charm
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Well

#

Then

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Good luck I guess

trim harbor
rustic charm
#

Yep

trim harbor
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you're sitting in the left seat after all

rustic charm
#

Time to unleash all the piloting skill you have and don't have

trim harbor
dusty sky
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ok I landed

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how tf did I land smoother with flap asymmetry than with a perfectly good A330

trim harbor
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night flights r chill

dusty sky
#

yeah they're both stuck

trim harbor
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im super light which made it even better

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rocket climb to 400

dusty sky
#

so I engine striked

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which all things considered not terrible

rustic charm
#

Holy kitbash

dusty sky
#

terrible landing

rustic charm
#

Also fun, this all needs to be just random low density housing. Guess will have to build that by hand too...

hollow oracle
#

you get on a stable approach path, you make small, smooth inputs to correct your course if you need to, and you let the aircraft fly itself down to the runway

dusty sky
hollow oracle
#

that means your configuration wasn't right

dusty sky
#

Brother

rustic charm
#

Well you can't quite configure much with stuck flaps

hollow oracle
#

oh, i didnt know that was the same flight curseddogesmile

reef isle
dusty sky
#

What kekw

trim harbor
dusty sky
#

That's so accurate tho

#

Average flight sim community

trim harbor
#

i've never paid attention to the (i presume) wind farms in the channel

hollow oracle
#

ye, isnt that towards the netherlands

rustic charm
#

Yeah there's a bunch of them

trim harbor
#

caps

rustic charm
#

In the channel, also in the North Sea off the east coast of England

trim harbor
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i knew about them in the north sea and england, just not the channel

dusty sky
#

What was that oil rig again

trim harbor
#

TIL

dusty sky
#

Sealand

#

?

#

I hate autocorrect

trim harbor
#

g'ole london

dusty sky
#

Guys give me a small runway in Europe

rustic charm
#

I'd say this part is done

rustic charm
#

Or Berlin Tempelhof

rustic charm
dusty sky
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Now it would be nice if discord loaded the fucking image

rustic charm
#

Oh and of course, still a couple more aprons to pave, and I need to do all the apron markings yet

dusty sky
#

Omg it loaded

rustic charm
#

It's bit annoying the editor doesn't let you copy and paste stuff, idk how I'm gonna be making the red octagons for parking stands, cause they are supposed to be identical, yet manually I doubt I'll be able to do that

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@reef isle I mean, this looks good enough, right?

trim harbor
dusty sky
#

Why is discord taking 70 years to load images today

trim harbor
rustic charm
hollow oracle
rustic charm
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Since I have most of the basics done, I think it's time to use the airport in a flight

dusty sky
#

Where is my guy gonna fly

rustic charm
#

Now time to try to understand this

rustic charm
dusty sky
#

Are you gonna deliver Tarom

rustic charm
#

Maybe eventually

#

Don't see why not

#

Okay how do I remove the pitot and engine covers

dusty sky
#

Tablet

#

I think

rustic charm
#

It's fucking 1984 I ain't got no tablets

dusty sky
#

The menu on the left

rustic charm
#

Okay yeah that's useful

#

Thanks

#

Gotta load over 5 tons of cargo (think just ballast) to simply get TOCG into working range lol

#

Beauty ain't it

rustic charm
#

Hahah, the crew voices in this thing are amazing

#

If you forget something and run through the checklist, they'll have some angry comment about it lol

reef isle
#

I think that's Felis himself

#

If you look up at one of his tutorial videos that's his voice

rustic charm
#

Well there are multiple voices there

#

But I wouldn't be surprising if Felis voiced the majority himself

#

Now it's time to try to figure out all of this

rustic charm
#

Great success

#

Out of 3 engines I have

#

0 engines are working

#

Welp, it's almost 4am, I'm not really ready to deal with this at 4am lol

nimble sphinx
#

Today was my L1011 learning curve day

nimble sphinx
#

Needless to say I totally didn't get the INS to set up correctly, but I got it up in the air somehow

trim harbor
rustic charm
#

But also

#

I still kinda don't understand a good chunk of things

#

Cause you have abbreviations etc

reef isle
#

Also if you use LittleNavMap I can share a file with all the RSBNs there

rustic charm
#

Thanks!

#

Also, I'm not sure what I'm using yet dogelul

dusty sky
#

Is bro flying vfr

rustic charm
#

Yesterday I was flying in vspeed and roll mode

#

Well

#

Until the plane gave up

#

These nav systems require separate learning

dusty sky
#

why didn't Russia just use the C-IVA, are they stupid?

rustic charm
#

I'd say Soviet nav systems are more comprehensive, at least from what it looks like

reef isle
#

Yes they are

#

the RSBN implementation is also quite advanced

rustic charm
#

I gotta say

#

The 154M has literally the most random mix of instruments

#

Guess that's what you get when you need to switch from metric to imperial mid-life

runic hare
rustic charm
#

True, maybe I should look up some libraries

#

I'm kinda happy with how kitbashing is going for now, it looks decent imo

#

The main problem for now is that the area is just very empty

#

Which well, I'm working on

reef isle
#

Sorry, I hope I'm not overreaching, feel free to say no, but if at some point you'd like to fly togheter in shared cockpit I'd be happy to spend 5€ to try

rustic charm
#

Yeah sure, I don't mind

#

I actually wanted to try shared cockpit at some point for a while

#

Didn't know it was paid though

trim harbor
#

I did it a few times

#

Super smooth experience overall

#

No lags or desyncs at all

reef isle
rustic charm
#

So the free one allows to join, but not to host flights?

reef isle
#

yes

rustic charm
#

Fair

dusty sky
#

I'd like to do shared cockpit

#

anyway plen

rustic charm
#

But yeah, I don't mind doing shared cockpit, just tell me what kind of flight you want to do cause I'd need to prepare for it

dusty sky
#

strange phrasing there but anyway

reef isle
#

I don't know

#

I don't think so

#

NoOne doesn't fly on VATSIM IIRC

#

so I'd defintely not push him to do it

rustic charm
#

Well I could try

#

I kinda want to try, just can't ever really find a good place

#

The controllers either are in the most random places, or part of an event

#

And I wouldn't want to do my first flight in an event

dusty sky
#

I mean to be fair

#

NoOne could fly and you do coms FD

reef isle
#

I just don't think it's my job to push people to do stuff?

#

I wouldn't mind

#

But it's not up to me to decide

dusty sky
#

fair

#

I could do vatsim :>

#

(ik shocking)

rustic charm
#

Well, I'll just put it out here - just ask me, I really don't mind being asked anything like this. If it's something I don't want to do, I will say that, I won't do it. You're not pushing me to do anything by just asking, I really don't mind

runic hare
# reef isle

I did the beta of this and it worked really well

#

This is sharedflight no?

reef isle
#

yes

dusty sky
#

is it specifically for msfs?

runic hare
#

Yeahhhh

#

Nah this is an xp thing

rustic charm
#

Well, it's good that we know it's smooth then

dusty sky
#

ooo

runic hare
#

I remember doing CTP with it

#

3 of us in the felis 742 Toronto - Rome

rustic charm
#

That sounds fun

runic hare
#

Was really fun

#

Proper flows and positions

dusty sky
#

now only if I had the damn money for it

dusty sky
dusty sky
#

what

rustic charm
#

Well I only have the 744

#

I think shared cockpit would be more fun in older planes

trim harbor
#

Get the 742 πŸ’”

rustic charm
#

Honestly, idk if I want to get it in XP

#

I want to see what PMDG comes up with first

trim harbor
#

Itβ€˜s a good sim no doubt

#

Better than msfs

rustic charm
#

Oh definitely, I'm not saying it's bad or anything

trim harbor
#

But lacking in addons and development of them

#

In comparison to msfs

rustic charm
#

I just have everything in MSFS

trim harbor
#

I have everything in both but

#

I dont like setting xplane up

#

Good sim but effort som

#

Sim

rustic charm
#

MSFS has a shared cockpit thingy too iirc, but idk if it's good and stable

runic hare
dusty sky
#

peak

runic hare
#

Oh lord it’s coming

dusty sky
#

oh no

#

actually

runic hare
#

Honestly cannot wait

dusty sky
#

@rustic charm @reef isle boeing 720

runic hare
dusty sky
#

I think the cables on my rudder pedals are dying

dusty sky
#

isn't it buggy as well?

rustic charm
#

Casually turning XP into a city builer game

#

But I just thought that huge empty chunks of land make the airport look even more horrible than it is, and filling those 2 areas will be easier and quicker than trying to build up the whole Tupolev plant

#

So basically, I'll just do the easy part first

dusty sky
#

me when no felis 747 sadcat2

#

I will kick the dead horse until I get it

rustic charm
#

@reef isle what do you have in mind for a shared cockpit flight in the end

trim harbor
runic hare
#

I think they saw the TU154 and went β€œI want this”

reef isle
#

Just wanted to know if you were up to it at all

rustic charm
#

Alright. I just gotta know which planes I need and where dogelul

reef isle
#

Hahahah cool ❀️

#

Maybe I can help you out with the navigation

#

I can worry about flying the plane while you mess with stuff

rustic charm
#

Well tbf I wouldn't exactly put myself into an "obviously captain" role lol, to be fair you're more experienced than me overall, and definitely more experienced in Soviet jets

#

Let me look at some flights and see if I can find some interesting routings

#

Knowing what Tu-154s are, there will be plenty lol

dusty sky
#

can I join

#

so observe

rustic charm
#

Well thing is, the normal tier of shared cockpit seemingly only allows one person to join

reef isle
#

I'd have to pay more for a threesome

#

Sorry

#

Yeah. I think with the 5$ plan you can only have one free person

rustic charm
dusty sky
rustic charm
#

Hm, @reef isle how long of a flight do you want

#

Cause I found

#

Probably one of the weirdest flights you could do in a Tu-154

#

But it would take like 7:30 (which tbh, I had absolutely no idea a Tu-154 could get even remotely close to)

#

Now knowing fs dispatch, it could be wrong

#

But it could very well be right too

#

Well

#

It seems to be real

reef isle
#

I'd need a little bit of planning for such a long flight

#

But maybe?

rustic charm
#

This is just crazy

#

Tbf, I'd pick something shorter first, but this is certainly a flight that I will do at some point

#

And the flight afterwards continued to Seattle

#

Honestly

#

I want to see how the US vatsim controllers would react to that lol

runic hare
rustic charm
#

"Uhh... Mike-Victor-Lima? 801, could you please clarify the aircraft type?"

reef isle
runic hare
#

Gonna have to check when I get back but I believe I do

#

Got a special code for being a beta tester

reef isle
runic hare
rustic charm
#

Tbf having 4 crew members in a Tu-154 isn't even wrong either

runic hare
#

Need to get the 134-A3 going

#

Someone just sat in the nose saying β€œleft a bit”

reef isle
#

Hahahahaha yes

rustic charm
#

Soviet aviation in a nutshell

#

Funnily enough

#

In Russia all pilots are still taught the roles of a navigator and a flight engineer in university

runic hare
#

As they should be

#

The 204 is coming back they need to start practicing

rustic charm
#

So when you graduate from one of 2 flight schools (which are full on universities too, it's 4-5 years of education in Russia), you're qualified to fly as a PIC (obviously while being a first officer in the beginning), but you're also fully able to perform the other roles

#

I don't know about the St. Petersburg university, but I am pretty sure Ulyanovsk uses a Yak-40 as the jet training aircraft

#

Not even a Yak-42, a Yak-40

runic hare
#

That things pretty much a cropduster so for trainees it’s probably not that bad

rustic charm
#

I mean, tbf, in case what you can land it anywhere

runic hare
#

Yeah

rustic charm
#

So it's probably a good choice

#

What's interesting though is that I'm pretty sure all prior training actually happens on foreign aircraft

#

For multi-engine they use DA-42s iirc (or 40s, don't remember)

trim harbor
rustic charm
#

Btw

#

So

#

A couple flights I could note as kinda cool

#
  1. VLK 367: UHWW - UHPP, Petropavlovsk is a neat airport and in good weather the arrivals there have pretty views
  2. VLK 379: UHWW - UHMM, Magadan is kinda cool, total middle of nowhere
  3. MVL 4141: UHMM - UHMA, if Magadan is the total middle of nowhere, then Anadyr is just pure void. It's also the easternmost airline-operated continental airport, located at 177.74 degrees east. Anything further than that is a random dirt strip
  4. AYZ 203: UUWW - URSS, Sochi to be honest is just a cool one to fly into, nice views on approaches and mountains surrounding the airport on 2 sides
dusty sky
#

I'm gonna try flying the 154 again

#

if xplane lets me

#

last time I tried the game said no

#

I think it said yes

rustic charm
#

Wait for a second

dusty sky
#

😐

#

am I running a bad version?

rustic charm
#

Well maybe

#

Cause

#

I have one version of the M and a B2, they don't work

dusty sky
#

I think the M works for me but looks like shit

rustic charm
#

But I got another version of M and it worked fine

#

I'm trying to find the website

runic hare
dusty sky
#

what crack was I on when I loaded it in it looks fine

#

nvm

rustic charm
#
#

Second from the top

#

Yak-40 is there too

dusty sky
#

new russian technology

dusty sky
rustic charm
#

Uhh, I don't remember

#

Probably not?

#

Does it not load or something

dusty sky
rustic charm
#

Ah, then probably yeah

#

I'd suggest making yourself a "trash bin" email for all that stuff

dusty sky
#

I uninstalled both 154's cuz they're both broken

#

I have this so much

#

there are so many mods for the 747-200 my god

rustic charm
#

Look, this is Petropavlovsk

#

AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THIS

#

TAKE NOTES MSFS

dusty sky
#

ik it's crazy

rustic charm
#

Tbf though I did buy a payware version for MSFS which works fine

rustic charm
#

WHAT DID YOU DO

dusty sky
#

You have to be more specific

trim harbor
#

R u building a ground version of a russian aircraft carrier

rustic charm
#

I'm not, MSFS is

rustic charm
#

Does XP12 have any Soviet props

#

An-12, An-24/26, Il-14, etc

reef isle
#

There's an An-24, not sure if it got ported to 12 though

rustic charm
#

Can't find anything about a working one in 12 unfortunately

trim harbor
#

Still funny

reef isle
#

There was also an IL-14 but again, not sure if it got ported to 12

rustic charm
rustic charm
rustic charm
#

Thanks

rustic charm
#

No, that's Petropavlovsk

#

7 hours away from Moscow

#

Not too funny to land there in a triple after a long day and see that lol

rustic charm
#

Damn, the old Alrosa livery is kinda cool

#

Unfortunately finding any flight data is a pain lol

reef isle
#

finally managed to fly again after almost a week

trim harbor
#

W livery

rare radish
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siiick

trim harbor
#

paralell approach with a homie

rustic charm
#

Racing until touchdown lol

#

Better racing than modern F1 too