Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[runic hare]

I don’t speak Russian and I doubt there is a cockpit translation

And learning how to fly watching a video with no commentary

Is not my kind of jam

[rustic charm]

Well

When I do get round to buying XP and that thing

(And that thing will be among the first things I'd get, I love the 204 and doubt we'll ever get one in MSFS)

I can see if there's a translation

[runic hare]

It used to be Skype I think

Now it’s just all on VK

Or you need to message him

https://youtu.be/Is7Yh3UwxfA?si=Uf7FZDY-ZdJetoZ5

This one is free on the forums

But XP11 only

[rustic charm]

Neat

[runic hare]

I used to fly it quite a lot

I think someone added the carda RB211 mod to it and put it in air Cairo livery

[rustic charm]

Is XP 11 even worth getting now, or would it just make much more sense to buy XP 12 right away?

[runic hare]

12

It runs better

It has more

And it looks way way way better

[rustic charm]

Another definite win for XP tbh

Mods like that

Different engines, etc

MSFS simply doesn't have that

[runic hare]

I keep forgetting planemaker is an insanely good thing that very few sims have

Love plane maker

[rustic charm]

Also why didn't we have this conversation yesterday while the sale was still going

[runic hare]

It’s good because pretty much every flaw with the toliss, shit sounds, shit engine models, shit cabin model is all fixable

[rustic charm]

Yeah

[rustic charm]

XP overall allows to modify stuff much more easily

[runic hare]

Same with scenery

And WED

Like the gateway now has better scenery than some payware airports lol

[rustic charm]

Tbf in XP I probably won't rebuy stuff I already have in MSFS, I'm pretty happy with it as it is

But it still offers soooo much in terms of older airliners

What Soviet stuff is there for 12?

I assume no Il-86/96 cause those are usually the last ones people think about

Descending into Bangkok

[dusty sky]

Where are you landing

[rustic charm]

Bangkok Don Mueang

[runic hare]

There is a shitty 96-400

[rustic charm]

Well shitty usually doesn't cut it sadly

And it being a -400, I think the only use for it would be the special flight squadron

Unfortunate

[runic hare]

Just in XP12 we have the T204/214, TU-134A-3/B-3, TU154M/B-2, IL76, AN24, Yak-40 and an okish AN-148

The 148 is made by jar design

Way back when

[rustic charm]

Tbf that's not a bad lineup at least

Which ones are free?

[runic hare]

All but the 204/214

[rustic charm]

That's really nice

[runic hare]

The 154M, AN24 and the yak are all felis

[rustic charm]

Oh right

[runic hare]

His il 14 is coming soon to xp12

[rustic charm]

They were payware but were then released as freeware, right?

[runic hare]

so add that

[rustic charm]

Cool cool

[runic hare]

Ye

[rustic charm]

It's getting more and more tempting to just get XP now

Would've been quite nice to do that yesterday admittedly, considering it was 40% off

But at the same time

It's still like 1/3 the price of FS24 for me lol

[rustic charm]

Also where do I generally look to get those, and any scenery stuff? What are the must-know sites for XP?

Sorry for being such an idiot in terms of XP, just never looked at it much before lol

[runic hare]

Just Google them

[rustic charm]

Fair

[runic hare]

Some stuff is in the felis discord

AN24 XP12

Works

[reef isle]

Ooooooooooh

I missed that

[dusty sky]

me when former USSR country

[reef isle]

The YAK works too?

Huh?

I missed a lot since I first installed XP12

So, whenever I decide to actually buy the VFW, I'd literally only miss the FJS planes

[reef isle]

The IL-76 on XP11 didn't work very well at all

I tried a couple different ones

After I tuned the A/P myself it was definitely flyable though

Is it better in 12?

[reef isle]

You finally did it?

[rustic charm]

Look at that, Silkway

[dusty sky]

did what?

[reef isle]

Got the felis?

[rustic charm]

Which reg is that

[dusty sky]

yeah no :(

[reef isle]

Oh wait that's a -400 isn't it

Didn't see the winglets lol

[dusty sky]

4K-SW888

[reef isle]

Oh yeah and the hump is too long

[rustic charm]

Not one of the Russian ones

[dusty sky]

the livery looked way uglier in the xplane .org screenshots

[trim harbor]

Still no tristar

Come on

[rustic charm]

We can hope

[trim harbor]

Damnit

Guess ill fly md11

[rustic charm]

How are XP default sceneries?

Can't seem to find anything for UWKG

Which is the Tupolev factory

[runic hare]

A little it’s better but you can tell it’s a p3d port

[rustic charm]

Welp

Got it

The price almost doubled since I bought it the last time

[dusty sky]

doubled?

crazy part is that it's actually gotten cheaper since it realesed

probably bought on sale as well

[rustic charm]

I did buy it on a sale, but the full price still was cheaper

It was 1085 full, something like 730 on sale

Now it's 1900 full

[dusky leaf]

If you bought it before you shouldnt need to buy it again

[rustic charm]

I bought it then refunded

Cause I had no hardware and couldn't fly

That was before I properly got into flying

[dusky leaf]

The main reason for ortho in xp is not to make it look better. In a lot of cases default looks better than ortho. Its mainly the more accurate coastlines and bodies of water.

With ortho you can give xp the msfs melted cheese look

[rustic charm]

Welp, time to load up

Tbf I should probably stream it somewhere, considering it's gonna be essentially my first time flying in XP and my first time flying a Soviet jet, it might just turn into peak comedy

[dusty sky]

there's english translations online for most of them

[rustic charm]

Do you think I need one

[dusty sky]

yes

[trim harbor]

@rustic charm WAKE UP

WE'RE A STEP CLOSER

[rustic charm]

YEEEEEEEEEEE

Liveries

Let's what there is

[trim harbor]

as i just bought the 727

i feel awfully scammed

[rustic charm]

I literally have a fund sitting on my steam account dedicated specifically for the 1011

Been there for like a month now lol

[trim harbor]

time to dl all the liveries

oh wait

u cant without the plane BOO

[rustic charm]

The liveries seem quite nice

Seeing TWA, Cathay and Eastern is sad

Will probably fly them anyway

[trim harbor]

eastern chrome is based

[rustic charm]

LTU is cool

And a -500 too

[trim harbor]

also cool

[rustic charm]

They did correct the Air Transat reg too

Now it's an actual -500

[trim harbor]

say

[rustic charm]

Now I feel like I contributed something to this product!

[trim harbor]

these werent digital when the tristar came out

were they?

[rustic charm]

Tbf not sure

Also

I think the liveries being released means it's tomorrow?

(lots of hope)

[trim harbor]

(copium 200)

maybe even tonight lets be real

[rustic charm]

Tbf I doubt

But

I hope

Also

Come on

They really had to do that reg for PSA 😭

[trim harbor]

LOL

[rustic charm]

Out of the 3 PSA tristars

Which were with PSA 1 day, 3 years and 4 years

They chose the one that was with PSA 1 day lol

[trim harbor]

who got it

after psa

[rustic charm]

LTU

Served with them until 1991 when it spontaneously combusted in a hangar

And it was a -1 of course cause PSA only had -1s

Lots of options for BA, which is nice

Older ANA livery included too

Aer Lingus included

Which means...

If I had a nickel for every Aer Lingus-leased trijet I (will) have in MSFS, I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.

The Saudia retro reg they included isn't actually a Saudia Tristar

That one was a Saudi Arabian royal plane

It wore the same livery

And in terms of looks it's overall the same

And it was actually a -500 too

But I imagine it had a very different interior

Same with the 2000s Saudia livery

Not actually a Saudia passenger reg

[hollow oracle]

the new flightsim.to design is AWFUL

[trim harbor]

@rustic charm amother night wo tristar

Hope dies last

Saturday will be the day

[hollow oracle]

to be fair, the weekend is the most likely

[trim harbor]

unfair ping

[rustic charm]

We hope for today

[reef isle]

In the -500

Yes

-1 had this

Not sure if it was also an option on the -250

Aside from the different aesthetic you also miss the NAV1/2/APP switch, which will make VOR only flying a bit more awkward

[rustic charm]

Something I noticed about livery previews

First

G-BFCD uses the photo from G-BEAK

Second

Neither G-BFCD nor G-BEAK are actually correct from what I could find

G-BFCD was a -500, so it should have the "TriStar 500" writing on engine 2, not "TriStar 200"

G-BEAK was a -50 (aka -1-50, and well, it's complicated, but basically it was neither -200 or -500, that's the point), so it should simply have "TriStar" writing on the engine, not "TriStar 200"

Will see if that was corrected on liveries themselves once it's out, and will post it in their server if not

[trim harbor]

Todays our day

I believe

[rustic charm]

Yes, definitely

It must be

[dusty sky]

I didn't move the plane guys trust me

[rustic charm]

Welp, set up the controls in XP I think

Time to get the plane running

[dusty sky]

which one

[rustic charm]

Tu-134

[dusty sky]

peak

what was the chinese altitude conversions

almost in chinese airspace

funny it's a british guy controlling

[rustic charm]

I still truly believe that today is our day

[hollow oracle]

This made my heart drop for a second

[trim harbor]

i do too

@rustic charm

i think

we can give up hope

[rustic charm]

I'm literally crying

[trim harbor]

retarded move

major L by ini

[rustic charm]

Liveries on Friday so you can wait a weekend...

Also

They literally added 1 more livery today

[reef isle]

Today wasn't the day

Maybe it still is?

[rustic charm]

So they're clearly working still

Today is always our day

The only moment when I lose hope and switch to "Tomorrow is our day" is 23:59

Which for me is in 3 hours and 35 minutes

[trim harbor]

im starting to doubt seeing it b4 tuesday

[rustic charm]

Maybe Monday will really be our day

[trim harbor]

still annoyed af

why not just release it and instead tease

most infurating shit ever

[trim harbor]

@rustic charm

we can give up

[rustic charm]

😭

Although also

It's released on the marketplace after all

I doubt Asobo would work on a weekend

So we shouldn't have hoped

Monday is going to be our day

[trim harbor]

but weekend would make more money

if they release it on a thu/fri shortly b4 the weekend

yk

[rustic charm]

Yeah, definitely

[rustic charm]

Have fun

[trim harbor]

vor to vor only

im triyng my best

forgot how it works in this one but cant be that hard

[rustic charm]

It's easy

Just... VOR to VOR

[trim harbor]

i got the vor dialed in and all but i forgot if i need to see a CRS/HDG at all

or if freq is plenty enough

[rustic charm]

You need to set course

[trim harbor]

cheers

[rustic charm]

The left knob on the VOR compass iirc

The right one sets heading, which is separate

[trim harbor]

the right one

is CRS

[rustic charm]

Ah

Well

[rustic charm]

The other way round

[trim harbor]

lemme c where i find the crs on simbrief

[rustic charm]

Generally for departures you can see all of the courses on charts

[trim harbor]

problem is im flying a DCT

[rustic charm]

For enroute you just go direct, aka tune whichever radial from the next VOR you're on by the time you switch

[trim harbor]

i found it on one of my charts however

[rustic charm]

Just turn the thing until the bar shows you're on a direct course

That's the way I do it

[trim harbor]

ill come back to u but i believe i get what u mean

[rustic charm]

Dw, you can ask if you need anything lol

[trim harbor]

christ i remembered this easier

ias hold is not doing what ias hold should do 😭

[rustic charm]

Tbf I usually go for vspeed in it

[trim harbor]

i also cant really use the ap switch anymore

its refusing to switch to nav loc

[rustic charm]

Are your radio master switches on?

[trim harbor]

nvm idk what i did but i fixed it

i believe mode selec on HDG makes it not workable

thank god

[rustic charm]

Couldn't help but notice you forgot to set standard altimeter

[trim harbor]

i was exposed good

i always forget ngl

whats the usual VOR interception range?

[rustic charm]

With 30.46 it also ain't a small difference, you were right in the nose of the oncoming traffic 😭

[trim harbor]

i like to live dangerously

[rustic charm]

In MSFS, you don't know

I think most major VORs should handle around 150 miles?

But MSFS is really tricky with it

Some might not exist at all (big problem in Canada)

[trim harbor]

i used simbrief to give me vors

im praying they acc exist

[rustic charm]

Oh no

Did you

Just tell it to give you a VOR route

[trim harbor]

maybe

[rustic charm]

Cause usually it puts them way too far away

[trim harbor]

haha no way, how could you tell haha

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah

That's

Gonna be tricky

[trim harbor]

dont worry im flying a 280nm vor with hopes and prayers

[rustic charm]

You might still be able to cut it if you go outbound of each one too

Cause well

When you have them close together

You can just switch to the next one as soon as you reach the VOR

When they're that far away, you can continue on the same beacon, on an outbound radial that takes you in the direction of your next VOR

Should give you flexibility for around 300 miles if all goes good

[trim harbor]

thats what i did

[rustic charm]

https://skyvector.com/

Best to plan your own routes though

SkyVector has a full map of the US

Unfortunately only the US

(Plus you can get bits of Canada close to the border fine from my experience)

But when you plan with it, it makes flying VORs much easier

[trim harbor]

dont think its gonna intercept my next one

weird

didnt think it'd be this iffy

[rustic charm]

One drawback is with a giant map like that it can get difficult to follow your route in-flight, can get lost in it

What I usually do is write out the whole route on a separate piece of paper

Plus helps that I can make any additional notes if needed

[trim harbor]

[rustic charm]

Like on delivery flights when I feel it's pushing the fuel a bit, I often mark a specific point at which I need to re-evaluate the fuel situation and divert if needed

[rustic charm]

Try going GCK first, then to your next planned one

[trim harbor]

it captured the GCK one

what

what in the wizardy

[rustic charm]

Some VORs have better range than others

Both irl & in MSFS

[trim harbor]

guess im flying GCK t hen MHK

instead of DDC to MHK

[rustic charm]

Generally if a VOR has airways coming to it, that is a good sign

[trim harbor]

ty

lemme alter my FPLN according to that then

[rustic charm]

Tbh I usually don't change the simbrief plan if I do any such changes lol

Mostly use Simbrief as an advisory plan anyway

[trim harbor]

i just changed the navigraph one

[trim harbor]

@rustic charm how do u flies arrivals?

[rustic charm]

Still the same VORs

If there's no VOR STARs, just self-vectoring

[trim harbor]

i got an ILS with a STAR 💀

yeah

guess ill just let myself be vectored in then

[rustic charm]

Some STARs should still be useable with conventional NAV

However

I imagine in Chicago they got rid of all of those by now

[hollow oracle]

unfortunately with older aircraft like that, you have to accept that the modern aviation and flight sim world isnt built for older aircraft flying like that (unless if you're on VATSIM or something)

[rustic charm]

I know Atlanta did

Chicago looks like a similar case so probably did too

[trim harbor]

which is a L, there isnt a VOR mod for FS24 like there was for FSX

sadly

[rustic charm]

But I've never actually flown to ORD in the sim lol

For the likes of New York though

Fully flyable

I've done both JFK and LGA

Also did DCA

Miami too I think

[trim harbor]

its such a weird approach as well

SHAIN2 with ILS27R

[trim harbor]

@rustic charm how in gods name does the gs work

is there even gs

or is it a false flag and only the bug

[rustic charm]

Yeah

[trim harbor]

because in no way does it work

my first officer said GS captured

[rustic charm]

Tune the ILS, set GS Auto (iirc it's called that) on the AP

[trim harbor]

im about to eat chicagos ass

ah so i gotta set it on the ap, not fd panel

i c

i had it set to VOR/LOC

[rustic charm]

Yeah

It's an old plane

The AP and FD are fully separate

[trim harbor]

butter

[dusky leaf]

The FSS 727 is v decent. Absolutely lovely to hand fly. There are a few bibs and bobs of inaccuracies in the elec and pneu systems not quite right, but nothing major

[trim harbor]

wonder how different the -100 actually is besides the size

[hollow oracle]

I don’t think it’s actually very different

Operationally at least, I’m sure there’s some specifics, but I’m pretty sure the same skills translate

[trim harbor]

ok

lol

[hollow oracle]

I honestly don’t quite get how people say the MD-11 is hard to land

It lands fast, but it’s very predictable if you’re familiar with how it handles

and because it’s a wide body freighter, you can really butter a landing because it handles slow and spools down slow, it really settles itself down on the runway

[rustic charm]

Okay, you take the crown for the lowest flex value now

I only had it as low as 9°

[trim harbor]

chicago

[dusty sky]

me when

can you guys tell I love LROP

[reef isle]

"Scream if you love LROP"

[dusty sky]

https://tenor.com/view/romania-gif-scream-if-you-love-brock-lesnar-loves-brock-lesnar-gif-8607013991961401757

[trim harbor]

disappointing to read

i dont like the dcs tactic of releasing EA planes for $70 which have 15% functionality compared to their real world counterpart

it'll take atleast another 2 years for it to get A/G capability

[trim harbor]

@rustic charm ayo

[rustic charm]

Yep

Early

By their regular schedule should've been leaving Moscow tomorrow, and flying back from Pyongyang on April 2nd

They do it every month

[trim harbor]

oh its a once a month flight??

[rustic charm]

I've flown it on the end February trips

Together with a friend

1:1 as per real timings

Well

It was end Feb & beginning March

These trips started last summer

Initially done on 772s

But

Nordwind only has 2 772s

And now both are inop

So they switched to using 330s

[rustic charm]

How I'm about to feel

[rustic charm]

Okay so I got slightly distracted while pushing back and...

That's a major fuckup

I missed the taxiway and went onto the runway

[dusty sky]

I got told to taxi via runway 30L at Belgrade

[rustic charm]

Well it clearly wasn't the active runway then

Taxiing on the runway isn't unheard of

But in this case I went onto the runway they were taking off from

[dusty sky]

Buzz

[rustic charm]

Welp

It's just turned Monday for me

So I have to say

@trim harbor I strongly believe that today is our day

We hope again

[trim harbor]

i have 24 hour shift, i wont be home

[dusty sky]

Japanese work?

[rustic charm]

Jesus

A 24 hour shift?

Isn't that supposed to violate... probably all the labour laws?

[trim harbor]

nah nah

[trim harbor]

nope

im a nurse anesthesist

i can sleep when theres nothing to do of course

but i can also work 24 hours straight

labor laws havent arrived in medical jobs yet somehow

[rustic charm]

That still sounds crazy

Like it's nice that you'd be allowed to rest when there's time

But I imagine there could be a day when you don't get a single meaningful gap between busy periods

[trim harbor]

last 24 hour shift i had i went to bed at 5.45am and woke up at 6.30 am

[rustic charm]

It really sounds like the field needs some regulations...

[trim harbor]

my shifts r from 7a-7a

[rustic charm]

Honestly I don't think it's even safe to work more than a 12-hour shift

Not only is it unsafe for you, but also it's unsafe for anyone you work with

Mistakes are much more common, etc

And it's not like you have some no-risk office job either

[trim harbor]

theres a legal loophole

thats being used to make it work

mistakes happen, i've had mistakes happen throughout as well of course

my 'active' work is only from 7a-8pm, anything beyond is 'on call' , even if i continue past 8pm until 7 am, it isnt counted as active work

and therefore possible

i also work the next day after getting home 💀

[trim harbor]

Is that the l10

[rustic charm]

Don't worry it's not out yet

[trim harbor]

But hes got da l10 :-(

[reef isle]

sorry

[trim harbor]

R u a beta tester tho fr?

[reef isle]

Yes

[trim harbor]

I want your actual non-biased opinion

Is it worth it?

[reef isle]

"non-biased" (I'm like the biggest 1011 fan)

don't think I can give it to you

they did say the price didn't they?

Yeah I think they did

At that price I think it is

not confortable going into the details of why yet.

[rustic charm]

Oh that's not bad actually

I expected it to be more expensive

[rustic charm]

He hacked ini's servers and doesn't want to share now

[trim harbor]

Wtf

Thats so cheap

[trim harbor]

Awww, unfortunate but I get it

Cool that u had the chance to test it out early

[reef isle]

someone sent this out to me, I didn't check it's actually for the 1011 btw

[trim harbor]

Just know that if something doesnt work ill blame you for not seeing it

[reef isle]

I don't actually know the price, they didn't tell us

[trim harbor]

40 quid seems resonable but also a tad bit too cheap for what they show

[reef isle]

I think my personal cutoff would be around 60€

although my actual real "personal" cutoff wouldn't exist because L-1011

but trying to be a bit objective

I think anything below 60€ I'd buy it, anything above, not sure

if it's 40GBP then great

[trim harbor]

How come?

[reef isle]

I think it'll release soon so I guess I can say it

(I don't actually know)

[trim harbor]

Isnt it supposed to release tomorrow as it ends of march

[reef isle]

Actually

I was about to write you a whole entire essay about the plane

but not sure if I should

I have different perspective from you

in a few words, it's good, but not "80€ plane good"

if that makes sense

[trim harbor]

Righttt

[reef isle]

when you cross that 60/65€ threshold you start to have some very different expectations right?

[trim harbor]

Of course

[reef isle]

yeah

[trim harbor]

Lower i‘d say

Kinda bummed to hear it but I dont think im too suprised because its ini

It‘s not a felis typw of project where detail and very accuracy is on the forefron

[reef isle]

It's absolutely better than I had ever hoped it would (I thought it was going to be a "Local Legend" level plane), but they did model a lot of stuff that I'd consider "high end"

It's certainly better than anything on the market

Draw a line, on one end there's a "cheap and cheerful", but decent plane, like the YS-11, on the other end there's the A340 and A350

about 2/3rds of the way towards the A340 there's the 1011

that's how I see it personally

[trim harbor]

I appreciate the honesty fr

Thats good to know atleast

Someone being honest and non biased unlike most of the streamers

[reef isle]

One thing I have to say

[trim harbor]

How‘d you even end up on beta testing it? Random raffle or did you provide resources?

Always wondered how people do it

[reef isle]

Look at my Volanta, look at how many flights I did with it, and consider I did a hanful more before we were alowed to use Volanta

never had a WASM crash

[trim harbor]

Thank god

Now is there a pause at t/d option at all? random question but important if i can trust it flying overnight 😭

[reef isle]

I think that's as detailed as I can reasonably be without violating any NDA or being specific about the plane

Mind you, knowing myself I am extremely confident would have come to the same conclusion even after watching the streams

(and in fact a friend of mine did get to the same conclusion "independently"), aside from the WASM crash comment, hopefully I won't go to jail for that

that's the one and only reason why I decided to share that

I will be more than happy to get more specific once the plane releases and am free to talk about it 😄

Realistically, now that the streamers are talking about it, I am probably fine, and even if I were to breach the NDA, I'm fairly confident anything I say wouldn't go much beyond this server

but better safe than sorry

[reef isle]

Yeah randomly.
I suspect it might have been a combination of me reporting other bugs, in a way that I would personally like to think was fairly thorough and detailed, (maybe too much), and the fact I showed interested and asked questions about the 1011 from pretty much the very beginning, when they just teased it from that Saudia plane visit. But I guess I'll never know for sure 😅

Probably the biggest part of it was just being lucky, being totally honest

[rustic charm]

Good luck flying it overnight with a 9-waypoint limit on the INS

[reef isle]

You can spread them out 😛

[dusty sky]

Guys can I get an fs 2024 key so I can get the l1011

/s ** **

[rustic charm]

I still wholeheartedly believe that today is our day

[trim harbor]

I 100% believe theres a automatic waypoint option

[trim harbor]

Super W for sure

[rustic charm]

I think that's what the GPS options are for XD

[trim harbor]

Shhh i dont wanna be caught using that

[rustic charm]

Don't plan to use it tbf

Never have in the 727

[rustic charm]

I'm starting to think maybe today isn't our day

But we still hope

[dusty sky]

I got da route

https://forums.x-plane.org/files/file/95994-british-airways-landor-1984-1997-g-bnla-rr/

I got da plane

[rustic charm]

Guess today wasn't our day 😭

Tomorrow is gonna be our day for sure

[dusty sky]

Bro the copium is on max level

[rustic charm]

What else are we supposed to do lol

[dusty sky]

Idk

Fly the md-11

[trim harbor]

Lmfao

Hope dies last

[rustic charm]

Exactly

I just said that cause it was 23:59 for me lol

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@rustic charm btw I can sleep now (at 23:12) so it wasnt too bad of a day (for now)

[rustic charm]

Well

7am to 11pm is still way too long

A 16-hour shift

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I am representing however

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Could be worse

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Today is our day

L1011 release

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for anyones future reference: the pause at t/d in the ifly is NOT working

[rustic charm]

Today is definitely our day

It must be

[trim harbor]

we both prayed all night

so it is our day.

[rustic charm]

Yes, exactly

100% our day

[dusty sky]

Didn't they say it's coming out this month?

[rustic charm]

They did

[reef isle]

not going to post any more 1011 screenshots until it's out

I feel too bad about it

hopefully it releases soon

[rustic charm]

Welp tbf

If they didn't lie about releasing it this month

That means it has to be today

But as for the time, I expect it to be closer to the evening

A marketplace release after all, and they're based on PDT I think

[trim harbor]

Same

[rustic charm]

4 engines 4 long haul

Aaand I'm 2 generators down

[trim harbor]

how

[rustic charm]

Idk

The plane decided it wants that

Gen 4 gave up during climb

Now Gen 2 decided to give up too

The engines are working absolutely fine at least

(Watch me jinx it)

[trim harbor]

descending into g'ole anchorage

[rustic charm]

Not an MD-11

[civic aspen]

RYR 4776 / FR4776 / RYR68GA
EI-HEY B38M
EGCC/EINN

[rustic charm]

The last screenshot was ruined 😭

Meanwhile I'm cruising in an empty 340 towards London

[rustic charm]

Anchorage

Love that place

13 arrivals into there on my end now

[trim harbor]

first time in a while

2 of which didnt arrive

so its the first time

lmao

[rustic charm]

In total 29 flights in/out of there lol

[civic aspen]

Flying the max is different to the PMDG

For climb performance I prefer the Max, but for Cross Wind landing and just landing in general I prefer the NG

[trim harbor]

the ifly flies so much nicer than the pmdg

[civic aspen]

I feel like I have more authority in the NG

[rustic charm]

Never tried a max

[trim harbor]

cant wait for sp1 to finally drop

[rustic charm]

SP1?

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ifly 737 gonna release sp1

service pack 1

which'll include a new efb ontop of the max 8-200

and a bunch of other fixes

[rustic charm]

Ah, fair

OH COME ON

[trim harbor]

because the current efb is kinda balls

compared to modern day

[rustic charm]

HOW MANY CAN THERE BE

[trim harbor]

its a weird glitch in this plane

remember when i had my a340 issues

one after another kept poppng up

[civic aspen]

If it ain't boeing I ain't going

I did a long haul on the A350 and it was boring

[rustic charm]

Funnily enough when I did the URO delivery, 0 issues

Well

Apart from me completely fucking up the arrival after missing the TD

[trim harbor]

long haul

theres the problem

[civic aspen]

I need to work on my flare in the 737

[rustic charm]

The 340 is better though

Ngl, I do hope Aerosoft-ToLiss decide to make a -500 later

[trim harbor]

340-300 clears the -600

in msfs

[rustic charm]

I think a -500 would essentially just need a model switch

Maybe the removal of the taxi cam? Not sure if -500s have them

[rustic charm]

I have 1 major issue with the -300

WASMs

[trim harbor]

everyone seems to have wasms in the a340

i dont remember one

[rustic charm]

Literally every fucking time I try to fly a long haul

[trim harbor]

the a350 only gave me wasms with the cabin on

[rustic charm]

There was 1 time when I didn't get a WASM

That was on an overnight delivery from Toulouse to Hong Kong

Except

I forgot to install Kai Tak

So I had to redo it

[rustic charm]

And the next time I did it, I got WASMd

[trim harbor]

if the l1011 drops im flying to KAI TAK

thats a BANGER idea

[rustic charm]

Yep

[trim harbor]

oops

[rustic charm]

Kai Tak has always been a heaven for 747s, 1011s and MD-11s

[trim harbor]

a300

[rustic charm]

I'm pretty sure less so

The 1011s were very present there obviously because they were a Cathay mainstay

[trim harbor]

air china, korean air and JAS flew them there for sure

i believ thai as well

[rustic charm]

And almost everyone else flew either MD-11s or 747s

[rustic charm]

Thai also

But

Count the MD-11s

[civic aspen]

I'm still getting use to manual thrust on the NG

Apparently on the 787 you AT on when landing which is what I've been doing wrong

[trim harbor]

do you land with athr on 😭

[civic aspen]

No

[trim harbor]

idk how people do it

[civic aspen]

It's just practise I need

[trim harbor]

i usually fly VREF +10

and give a little push of thrust shortly before touchdown

thats a tactic that worked forr me

[rustic charm]

Thai, Delta, Alitalia, Swiss, FedEx, Mandarin, China Eastern + Cargo, JAL, Varig, Garuda, China Airlines, Eva, Philippine, Korean Cargo...

[trim harbor]

where did delta fly the md11s from

tokyo?

[rustic charm]

LAX

I think

[trim harbor]

oh yeah west coast is only like 10 hours of flight

[rustic charm]

I'm pretty sure they had a direct from the US

MORTHERFU-

[civic aspen]

I can see da runway

Bit of a headwind but not too bad

[rustic charm]

I do sometimes tbf

I mean, with Airbus you use autothrottle pretty much always

With Boeing it depends on how I feel tbf

[civic aspen]

I'd need to read a SOP but I'm not sure if you are supposed to land with it on

In the 737

If it's auto land it's different ofc

[rustic charm]

I think you can

[rustic charm]

Well, obviously you shut it when flaring

[trim harbor]

it auto shuts off at about 10-15ft above the ground

well, it retards

[rustic charm]

Cause without an autoland, the throttle doesn't reduce to idle

It does?

[trim harbor]

im almost certain it does, yes

[rustic charm]

I am pretty sure it doesn't

[trim harbor]

might be wrong but its similiar on the t7

[rustic charm]

I am 100% certain it doesn't in Airbus planes, cause that's how I almost wrote off Niki's A320 on delivery

And I'm 100% certain it always does on the MD-11

[trim harbor]

in the airbus it doesnt, thats why it screams retard at you unless you're in autoland

in the t7 and 737 however i believe it retards it for you

i shouldve tried just now

ohwell

[rustic charm]

You know, I'm not sure tbf

Haven't landed either with AT on in a while

[trim harbor]

me neither

never even

i feel like im having a loss of control when athr is on

[rustic charm]

Tbf even when I do have AT on, I slam the throttles shut manually anyway XD

[rustic charm]

Ugh I hate that cockpit

That was pretty nice though

YOU CANNOT DO THAT

YOU CANNOT

I SAW A PING FROM INI

[trim harbor]

LOL

[rustic charm]

YOU DAMN WELL KNOW WHAT WE ALL THINK WHEN WE SEE A PING FROM INI

[trim harbor]

chat going crazy

[civic aspen]

I think volanta is lying

Maybe I could have flared the nose a little bit more

[trim harbor]

i too thought it was around the 200 mark

[civic aspen]

Pretty text book 737 landing though

[trim harbor]

yuh

200 is usually the optinium fpm

[civic aspen]

I did record it with sky dolly so I'm going to replay it

[rustic charm]

IR 3 is out too now

[civic aspen]

I floated a little

[rustic charm]

Feels like I'm flying for... idk, Conviasa, definitely not Virgin

[civic aspen]

It's good having these replays as I can see where I'm going wrong

[rustic charm]

It was a good landing though

Bit of floating, yeah, so you were a bit late to touch down, but it's fine

Personally I've never chased landing rates

Flying is simply about getting where you need to go safely

And well, if passengers complain? Fly cargo 😎

[trim harbor]

back in my day there werent even landing fpms

used to use this

[rustic charm]

The ECAM is having a wonderful day

Back when Virgin was really trying to start a civil war in the UK

Well that was a rather shitty landing, the approach was very laggy (what else do you expect)

[trim harbor]

@rustic charm where is the plane : (

[rustic charm]

It's not yet time

We must be patient

It is painful

But we must wait

And if they don't release it today we'll call them liars because they promised it this month

So

Today is the day

[trim harbor]

pitch forks at fd

in 13 minutes it should be THE Time.

[rustic charm]

No no no

We don't shoot the messenger

Plus he's our friend

[trim harbor]

i was kidding ofc

we love u fd

❤️

glad they added this one

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah that's nice

[reef isle]

A340's release time was in about 10 minutes from now

[rustic charm]

Love twin globe

[trim harbor]

really cant complain about the livery selection

it's really good

[rustic charm]

Yep, and the 350 on Marketplace was in about 3 hours

[trim harbor]

are there any (major) airlines missing that operated the L10?

[reef isle]

Continue to hope 😭

[rustic charm]

I think I've seen a few that operated non-500s

Can't remember which right now though

[reef isle]

Probably the biggest one is modern BWIA

[trim harbor]

what was the diff between the -500 but more modern and longer range? fuselage?

[rustic charm]

The -500 has shorter fuselage than the rest

[reef isle]

I can't really think of anything else

[trim harbor]

thats weirdly beautiful

[reef isle]

MCP and cockpit are different

[rustic charm]

Air Jamaica would've been nice

[reef isle]

Not that different but different

[rustic charm]

Plus they did actually fly the -500 iirc

But even if it's not there

[reef isle]

Yes they did

But IIRC that livery lasted a very short amount of time

[rustic charm]

I know AJP will get onto that one quickly

[reef isle]

I hope so. I don't want to do that

I'll leave that to the substance painter and blender experts

[rustic charm]

Don't worry I've already mentioned that one to him a while ago, he said he'll do it

[reef isle]

I already have a pretty big list of things I want to do

And I'm planning to do all mis-matches I can find for any livery I do

[rustic charm]

Mismatches are fun

Especially fun when there's more than 1 mismatch on a single plane

[reef isle]

The 1011's history has SOOOOOO many of them

Oh I found one that was crazy

Let me see if I can find it again, give me one sec

I don't think I posted it here

[trim harbor]

wtf

[rustic charm]

Wow

[trim harbor]

what went wrong there???

[reef isle]

TWA fuselage, Aer Turas tail

But actually Virgin Express

[trim harbor]

virgin branding

lmao

[reef isle]

It was a 1011 that was briefly leased to Aer Turas first, and then to Virgin Express

And not to this extent, but stuff like this was very common with TriStars in the late 80s and 90s

[trim harbor]

but why

[rustic charm]

This is missing

Shame we won't get freighters

I know they're like super rare

[reef isle]

You know, I don't actually know why the TriStar became so famous for it. But I promise, if you look for any photo of any TriStar outside of the big operators I guarantee you'll probably find more weird mismatches and normal liveries

[rustic charm]

But ini did build A343 freighters

[trim harbor]

kalitta based

[rustic charm]

And not like those are common

[reef isle]

I hope maybe we can get a mod to plug the windows?

[rustic charm]

I guess the difference is, 343s is just interiors, this is a proper conversion

[trim harbor]

bunch of interesting liveries

[reef isle]

Not even the "big airlines" are safe 👀

[trim harbor]

LOL

caledonian

nooo

[rustic charm]

Cause the 343s are all what I call "package freighters", they didn't get cargo doors or actual freighter floors for bulk cargo, they basically just have shelves instead of seats

[rustic charm]

Oh

Right

You reminded me

That's what was missing

Caledonian

[reef isle]

That's right

[rustic charm]

We don't have Caledonian

[reef isle]

So obvious it went over our head

[trim harbor]

its 7.02 pm

where plane

[rustic charm]

https://tenor.com/ncnrpYRljiU.gif

[runic hare]

what the fuck

[rustic charm]

(As soon as it turns midnight I'm buying a pitchfork)

[trim harbor]

LOLL

so true

[rustic charm]

And for me midnight is in 2 hours 55 minutes

[trim harbor]

L

[rustic charm]

(Which is also I'm pretty sure the same timezone ini is based in)

[trim harbor]

arent they a uk company?

[rustic charm]

I think they're registered in the UK

But

[trim harbor]

@rustic charm

its out

[rustic charm]

I swear they're in Dubai

[trim harbor]

it dropped

check marketplace

[rustic charm]

YAY

[trim harbor]

54.99

[rustic charm]

All the recent instagram stories for research trips/events started in Dubai

[trim harbor]

oh

[rustic charm]

https://tenor.com/bO8et.gif

[trim harbor]

mfw stuck

[rustic charm]

I'm loading MSFS

[trim harbor]

its out on msfs24

[rustic charm]

Time to see how much it is in KZT

I've got 21k on my Steam which should be enough usually

I think the 340 was around there in terms of price

No pitchforks needed

What should I do first...

I've got some 4 hours until I want to sleep

Oh, 16.8? Not bad, not bad

[rustic charm]

Also

55 euro seems wrong

In the announcement they said 50usd

Which is like

44 euro

[trim harbor]

oh yeah

its 43 euros indeed

oops

[rustic charm]

But I guess VAT?

I mean, I ain't complaining, 16800kzt is roughly $35 lol

[trim harbor]

chEAP

[rustic charm]

Yeah

[trim harbor]

i'll see how much itll charge

because 8k jpy seems like a bargain

[reef isle]

Now I can send these without feeling bad

[trim harbor]

LOL

dont worry

we were happy for u

cheering u on

[rustic charm]

Russian/Kazakh prices for anything on Steam (which includes the marketplace) are often among the cheapest

[rustic charm]

Indeed, you're a friend after all

So we're happy you got to fly it quicker

[trim harbor]

oh

[rustic charm]

Nooooooooooooo

Could just be traffic?

Try again maybe

[trim harbor]

nah but u c

im residing in germany

paying w yen

l o l

worked flawlessy b4 tho

[rustic charm]

I mean

I've resided in Russia, paid with KZT

Now I'm in Dubai, paying with KZT

I don't think it should be a problem

[trim harbor]

ive just used my german cc instead of a jp one now

along with changing store regions quickyl

nvm it doesnt work for me atll

bruh

[rustic charm]

Nooooo

Why

[trim harbor]

[rustic charm]

Btw FD, you know any bugs I find will be blamed on you, right?

[trim harbor]

after 2 paypal accounts, 2 credit cards and 1 debit card

i finally got it

my god

the ms store is so terrible i swear

[rustic charm]

Welp

It's easy for me

Steam wallet

That's how I've been paying for anything & everything for like... 4 years?

Might even be 5

That's why I actually really like when stuff is released on Steam

The easiest option

[trim harbor]

excuse me

[rustic charm]

A GPS unit, boooo

Also it installed damn fast for you, still loading for me XD

[trim harbor]

its streaming in fs24

so its not downloaded

[rustic charm]

Also ngl, I wanna try flying it with CWS

[trim harbor]

the external performance however

is abysmal

at JFK

[rustic charm]

I think it's one of the earliest airliners to have it?

[rustic charm]

Ah, fair

I usually download anyway

Imagine if you get an internet cut and the plane just disappears

[trim harbor]

as you were saying

[rustic charm]

HAHAH

Called it lol

[trim harbor]

i however have internet

[rustic charm]

Meanwhile it's downloaded and 30% installed for me now

[trim harbor]

servers r taking ahit

[rustic charm]

Well

Yeah

Very slow download right now

People were excited for the 1011 I guess

I wonder how many sales they've had now

[trim harbor]

good enough to warrant a -100

[rustic charm]

Hopefully

We no longer need to hope for a -500 release

So

Now we hope for a -1/-100 announcement

Tomorrow is our day

[rustic charm]

Ah TWA... beautiful

[trim harbor]

gotta read up on how to get it started though

a project for the weekend

dont wanna use the FE toooooo much

[rustic charm]

You know what must be done

Still very crazy to me that LGA accepted the likes of 1011s, DC-10s, 763s/764s

[rustic charm]

I'm gonna do my usual routine when buying a new plane

[dusty sky]

It's out?

[rustic charm]

Not reading any manuals, not using any help, and swearing a lot

[rustic charm]

Yes

[dusty sky]

Holy shit today was the day

Ini didn't lie