Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[hollow oracle]

the 727 is pretty fun in that it requires a lot of aviation intuition to fly it

its kind of funny because i find the autothrottle to be a little weird, especially in IAS hold mode for vertical speed

[hollow oracle]

im guessing your not supposed to use IAS hold with autothrottles, but using vertical speed feels weird too

[hollow oracle]

spent 2 hours enroute, and i accidentally deleted my entire flight plan when i tried fixing a discontinuity

[hollow oracle]

i tried the XP12 demo for the first time

i love austin meyer

[hollow oracle]

not particularly impressed by the default aircraft

default F-14 is pretty awesome though

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/unc-still-got-it-gif-6384030002593541773

government charter flight, one of the fancy ones where they block your registration out

[mint whale]

deez nuts.
ngl i kinda wanna upgrade to FS24.

and more

[rustic charm]

Welp, it's pouring in Tivat

And since quite often in such weather they use runway 14 instead of the usual 32 that's used in good weather, this gives me an excuse to get a takeoff from there

[dusty sky]

ok so I smacked into a fucking mountain

[rustic charm]

I don't think that's good

[runic hare]

Just been given this

Southern England VFR Sectional charts, unused logbook and the UK&ireland Airfields manual with ground charts and airfield information

All from 2004

Heathrow without T5

Also runway 23

[hollow oracle]

still loving FSX, i love my video games having a hard cap of 4GB of ram

im going insane, im considering dusting off the captainsim 717 again, because FSX VAS is getting on my nerves, especially with the TFDi 717

[rustic charm]

And with a third runway as well

Ngl I was surprised when I learned that in the 60s Heathrow had 5 runways

[rustic charm]

At first I was excited thinking it was MSFS XD

Oh can't wait until they release it

[rustic charm]

Folks, are the CS 767s absolutely horrible, or are they horrible but not absolutely?

I might just give up and buy one of the freighters, not having any 767s is so painful for freight ops 😭

[rustic charm]

Haven't flown the 777 for a while, closest thing there is to a 767 I guess...

[hollow oracle]

It’s not great, but it does fly and somewhat realistically

It uses all default 747 systems, which in itself isn’t super unrealistic I guess, but still, not custom systems or anything

[rustic charm]

I've just been told it uses the 747 flight model

[full plank]

I think theres a mod somewhere that somewhat improves the systems, I know there was for the ''777s'' but unsure if its also for the ''767s''

[hollow oracle]

i cant confirm or deny that, but what i do know is that the ND shows airport maps, which is so wrong and so blatantly from the default 747-8

[dusty sky]

The FMC literally says 747-8 with GEnx

[hollow oracle]

that too, but that's just text, doesnt nessicarily mean the flight model is copied (though i wouldnt be surprised if it is)

[dusty sky]

Isn't the 767 pretty agile for its size?

[hollow oracle]

no comment, i have never flown a 767 irl before to compare

[dusty sky]

Nah really

Ok so google ai (ik very trusty source) says yes

[dusty sky]

Is it worth spending 20 extra dollars to get the -200 and -300 with their respective cargo variants?

[rustic charm]

So 777-300ERSF is seemingly in service now? Completely missed when they actually started flying

PMDG, please

[rustic charm]

3:30am, still can't sleep, great success. Guess it's MSFS time

[rustic charm]

Things to do at 4:30am:
Sleep ❌
Alaska ✅

[hollow oracle]

It appears the captainsim 717 may have torpedo’d my boot SSD

I had to wipe EVERYTHING, thankfully I mostly stored everything on my external 4TB drive and that seems to be okay

[hollow oracle]

Well, this was the last thing I installed last night before powering off my PC

[reef isle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1439989349889347616/1442653145120636938/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator_2024_Screenshot_2025.11.25_-_00.10.56.72.png?ex=692636f0&is=6924e570&hm=031ba323f61e1344552ab0fade8ef3eba4a0f81f0440e892fe7ab1f46d08e6ac&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1143&height=643

new livery, should be available soon™

hopefully tomororow, in its basic form (without cabin)

should be the first of at least 4 on the A330

few corrections and additions needed

[trail monolith]

The pinned message in question

[hollow oracle]

hows the RHD simulations 767?

ive experienced the CS 767, and that thing is pretty painful, but ive heard mixed talk about the RHD one

that is one aircraft i have no plans on revisiting, the 717 at least got a bunch of updates since the last time i gave it a shot, it has really improved quite a lot

[rustic charm]

Tbf I assume the RHD one is also basically the Asobo 747 in disguise, but if anyone has it I'd like to know as well. The lack of a proper 767 is hurting

Although in RHD's defense

At least their FMC states that it's a 767 unlike the CS one which prefers to be called a 747-8i

[reef isle]

Bad

I think it's more or less Captain Sim quality

[rustic charm]

Well, not surprising tbh

When will we get a proper 767...

I hope at least that it takes Bluebird less than 5 years to release theirs after the 757

[reef isle]

iniBuilds still hasn't unghosted me btw

Almost one month now

[rustic charm]

And you said they were the ones who initially asked whether you wanna test, right?

[trim harbor]

beijing airport was interesting

great firewall of china existed but discord worked

funny

air china also isnt THAT bad of an airline

noone really speaks english or tries to speak english

and the plane was probably twice my age

[reef isle]

https://youtu.be/ETSVSXgJagE?si=ASCOiltjwhOOJD0m

New BBC Archive banger

[rustic charm]

From my experience in China overall that's quite normal

Chinese people, especially the people who are now 25-30 and up, never really learned English from what I could see

Which is fair for the most part, but in an airline? You work in literally the most international industry ever, the chance of having to work with foreigners is 100%, yet knowing English is not a requirement somehow

[trim harbor]

the only L i noticed is that

on my inbound i did NOT have wechat or alipay

i couldnt buy anything at the airport

[rustic charm]

Did they not accept anything else?

[trim harbor]

the vending machines didnt nor did kfc

[rustic charm]

Interesting

Last time I was in china I think mastercard worked just fine

[trim harbor]

oh no like the card worked but

there just wasnt an option

for visa or mastercard

[rustic charm]

They just didn't want to take it?

[trim harbor]

yup

[rustic charm]

Weird

[trim harbor]

i know now for next time

[rustic charm]

Yeah, from my experience in China best to assume they don't take anything. We mostly paid with cash, although sometimes they did accept foreign stuff. Some places even accepted Russian cards and all

[trim harbor]

How long did u stay in china and where

[rustic charm]

Well in recent times only in Guangzhou for about a week, maybe 10 days?

Overall I've also been in Shanghai for a brief moment, 2 or 3 days around 2 years ago I think

Also Beijing, Hong Kong (although I'd count it as a separate territory, it's very different) and somewhere on Hainan but that was all very long ago

Those must've been around 9-10 years ago

[trim harbor]

Would you recommend it?

[rustic charm]

Tbf the place was quite nice, it wasn't bad. Some neat landmarks

Also a good place for shopping, although probably only Russians have to travel abroad to get something for a reasonable price...

[rustic charm]

Btw about this basically all I could find:

• Both are not high-detail planes, not intended to be displayed on your front shelves but more so to satisfy the need of an average non-hardcore flight sim player
• Captain Sim is better in terms of exterior, texturing etc.
• RHD is better in terms of systems (although better still doesn't equal good, just closer to it than CS is)

Essentially as I understand RHD systems are not straight up copied from the 747, but slightly edited application of whichever systems are available by default

[reef isle]

LLM output?

Sorry 😅

but yeah fair enough

[rustic charm]

Nah, I don't use that XD

Just a bunch of old posts comparing the 2, videos etc

[reef isle]

"not intended to be displayed on your front shelves but more so to satisfy the need of an average non-hardcore flight sim player"

I envy your creativity

[reef isle]

oooooh I see

[rustic charm]

Hahah that's just the way I write lol

Also RHD seemingly is just 1 guy developing it, kinda as a passion project

[reef isle]

I don't think it's right to trash RHD or the plane, although I think the same about Captain Sim

[rustic charm]

Well tbf I don't wanna trash either one, sorry if it looks like that

[reef isle]

oh no no no

you never implied it

I simply thought it was right to make it clear since these products are very often ripped apart by the "hardcore" communities (same goes for Captain Sim)

[rustic charm]

Yeah

Tbf

It's not right to talk bad of a plane if it's just not too high detail

Well

Talk bad unconstructively

[reef isle]

yeah I think it simply has a different target audience

[rustic charm]

Yep

Not everything has to be 'study-level' as much as I hate the term

Not everyone can develop things of that level either

[reef isle]

I do think that the captain sim planes are slightly overpriced, but hey, if you only care about a good looking 3D model, sort of alright-ish flight model and you don't care about the systems it's not bad.

Also a lot of people that sit and bicker about wether Fenix or Toliss has the better systems wouldn't be able to select a different SID from the one SimBrief gives them

[rustic charm]

Imagine how much time and effort it would take 1 guy to make a 767 from ground up, without using any default systems etc, and to make it on the let's say PMDG level of quality

PMDG of course are not the highest you can go

[reef isle]

Those planes are long term multi-million investments

the "good" ones

[rustic charm]

But it's generally kinda the standard for the 'top of the market' planes

[rustic charm]

Exactly

[reef isle]

yeah the community (especially the youngest part of it, that have been "spoiled" by exceptional planes at an exceptional price like the Fenix) don't quite realize that I think

[rustic charm]

I mean, tbf, with Captain Sim I have one issue - selling different engines separately

Now I don't know if they actually simulate different engines differently

Cause I don't have any of their planes

But even if they do actually represent the changes, that's still imo bit too much

[reef isle]

I mean... I agree, but at the same time it's nothing new

The really rubbish part is that because of the marketplace I dont't think they can have any sort of program in place to give you a discount on one engine variant if you already own another version

PMDG is doing the same with different 737 variants too (which to be clear I also think it's shit)

unfortunately I think stuff like this can't be done on the MP

[rustic charm]

Technically they could through bundles

[reef isle]

yeah? would be very clunky though

[rustic charm]

Like how the RJ is available at almost half price if you own the 146

[reef isle]

oh I didn't know that was a thing 👀

I thought that was only for the JustFlight store

[rustic charm]

Technically it's still full price as the individual listing, but if you look at the bundle it's cheaper

[reef isle]

oooooooooooh that's what you mean

right... yeah then it's not a "real" solution, still shitty that it's not an option, in the same way that it's shitty that PMDG doesn't offer a 737 bundle IMO

[rustic charm]

I'm sorry to bring up odd currencies, but that's how my store is - individually the RJ and the 146 are 23500KZT each, whereas if you own one of them, the bundle with "both" (but obviously if you own one, it just gives you the other one) is 13500KZT

[rustic charm]

That's true. And tbf, a 737 bundle would be really good

These bundles act like Steam bundles tbf

The bundles aren't too great though

Proper discounts would be much nicer

And I do think it's just a bit bad that the idea of selling different engines is normal

As an expansion of some sort, I can even understand

But paying a full plane price just to have a different engine is too much

Tbh I would prefer the return of expansion pricing overall

It only is bad for you when you want 1 specific variant

And it's one of the less popular ones

Like, let's say someone releases a full A340 lineup as expansions and you want just the -200

It's not gonna be the base one, cause it's probably the least popular one

So you're gonna have to buy a plane that you don't want first in order to have the one you want

But let's be honest

Most of the time you either want the full collection anyway (in which case expansions will save you a fair bit), or the most popular variant which most likely is the base

[trim harbor]

nah i do the same

it's a dangerous game with customs though

[dusty sky]

How's the flight factor 767?

[full plank]

Flying ol’ pointy again

[hollow oracle]

captain sim: not even once

i have never attempted a credit card chargeback, but i might attempt it with this

it is literally unflyable from start to finish

[rustic charm]

The second flight to Tenerife done

[hollow oracle]

i was hoping that it would at least be flyable

[hollow oracle]

wait, maybe it wasnt the latest version? apparently it needs manually updated?

[dusty sky]

In the big 25 is insane

[hollow oracle]

yeah, i was on 2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1 or whatever captainsim calls it, the latest is .6, which is a difference of about 6 months

hopefully it doesnt try to enable TOGA power during taxi, or stall on takeoff because it autorotates at 90kts

i can ignore visual bugs, especially some of the smaller stuff, i can even ignore procedure issues like the DC start pump needing to be turned on for APU start, but i cant ignore the aircraft literally being garabge to fly

[dusty sky]

Never let him cook again

[dusty sky]

Have you got the flight factor 767?

[hollow oracle]

no

[dusty sky]

Mm

[hollow oracle]

nice, the aircraft stalled itself and crashed

now back to looking at P3D and the TFDi 717

im fed up with FSX and the 4GB VAS limit, i crash almost every single time on approach

which was another one of the main reasons why the captainscam version looked even more interesting

i jsut feel horribly depressed right now

i took a chance to buy something for myself even though my finances were horrible, just to keep myself occupied and with something to do after my grandmothers funeral yesterday, and it backfired hard

i cashed out my stock market money for this

and then my C: drive died yesterday, so i had to wipe that completely and re-install windows, so i spent all of last night trying to get MSFS set back up again to fly it

i dont even mean to traumadump, its just that this whole situation has been piling onto an already insanely shitty two weeks

[nimble sphinx]

It's been a hot minute since I've flown

[trail monolith]

JAS 👀 JAS Gripen

[rustic charm]

I see an A300

[runic hare]

I think there is quite a big difference between CS and FF selling engines

Still shitty

But it’s 20usd as a one time purchase for all variants to get all engines

Not “777-200RR - $60”

I think the -300 will be part of the engine expansion

Not too sure about that tho

[rustic charm]

@reef isle wonder who made the livery

Also btw I think it's something that's defined in the livery config, correct me if I'm wrong there, but Volanta mistakenly identified it as I-DUPB instead of I-DUPC

[reef isle]

Oh cock™

Probably I forgot to change it

I'll check later

[rustic charm]

For once I'm useful

[reef isle]

Probably won't bother updating it until the next MD-11 update

[rustic charm]

Yeah, makes sense

They've got a major visual update lined up anyway, I expect that might mess up the liveries

So could need other more important fixes anyway

Ughhh I can't wait until the updates

The visual one is nice, although I'm currently satisfied with how the plane looks as is

One thing I want more

ARE THE PW4000S

[reef isle]

Yeah that's exactly what I'm waiting

[rustic charm]

Such a lovely plane...

Wish I could fly on one irl...

Landing with the alps in the background was also really pretty

[full plank]

hanging around at JFK, waiting for fuel to load & then its off back to Heathrow

[runic hare]

love the UAL tug

[full plank]

thank you GSX for that bs

[dusty sky]

Ok so flight factor 777

How worth it is it

[runic hare]

its good

very good

better than the PMDG but I havent touched that in about a year and a half so cant speak for it now

[dusty sky]

Better than the 767?

[runic hare]

way better

[dusty sky]

Has it ever went on sale

[reef isle]

oh shit

I thought oh yeah sure I'll randomly post in on ini's server

fogot about it for a few minutes (until the guy reacted), then I realized what I did...

[rustic charm]

737 orig?

[dusty sky]

Yeah that's the -200

[full plank]

cockpit gaming

[dusty sky]

Indeed

What's even the cheapest airliner for xplane

[hollow oracle]

the zibo/levelup 737, cant get cheaper than free

[dusty sky]

Ok fair

But besides that

[runic hare]

Decent one or not?

If your running 11 the Les Saab is pretty cheap and pretty good

JAR 320/330/340

But they are absolute ass

[dusty sky]

The A340-500?

Ok how ass are they really though

I'm not really educated in xplane aircraft developers

I just know that Felis, Toliss and Flight Factor are peak

[hollow oracle]

with xplane, it definitely feels like you get what you pay for

[dusty sky]

Can't really say that about msfs

[full plank]

eh, I've been pretty pleased with most aircraft I have for msfs

[rustic charm]

Well in MSFS definitely not all the stuff is worth buying

[dusty sky]

Mscenery exists

[rustic charm]

But when you know what's good and what's not, you'll mostly pay reasonably for what you're getting

[dusty sky]

Also Bredock

[full plank]

tbf even the LatinVFR 321neo that I paid money for was alright albeit with the horizon mod, but I get the appeal for people who don't necessarily want to splurge their entire bank account on the PMDG or Fenix suite of aircraft

[dusty sky]

Ok Fenix is £50

That's pretty cheap for the quality

[full plank]

yea but not everyone has £50 do they

[dusty sky]

Like me :)

I hate this country

[full plank]

as long as people just read into what they're getting, too many posts from people that don't read into shit then complain ''x, y, z'' isn't ''study-level''

[dusty sky]

.

Salty 747-8 isn't exactly study level

[full plank]

when the fuck did I mention the salty 747

[dusty sky]

Uh

Anyway

Salty 747-8 isn't study level but I still enjoy it

Hell even most default planes of anything

[full plank]

eh, I still fly the FBW 32NX every once in a while

I held out with P3D till the PMDG 777s eventually released for MSFS, still have P3D installed for the Concorde & the 744/748s

[dusty sky]

How is P3D anyway?

[full plank]

if you have the patience & money to set it up to your liking, its alright

[dusty sky]

I've actually played it twice but not exactly on my PC..

Basically one of those in person flight sims

It looked like fsx but it wasn't bad per say

[full plank]

barring any usual ''P3D is dead'' comment from all the washed up flightsimmers, its a decent sim

just don't go buy it & then expect everything to work 100%, its a fickle beast that needs some tweaking to work well

it has the aircraft I wanna fly, so it'll stay on my PC till the MSFS versions will eventually release

[rustic charm]

(So roughly for 10-12 more years)

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-wurtz-bad-thing-just-did-a-bad-thing-bad-thing-gif-13874640

[runic hare]

I installed a livery for the PMDG 744 wrong once and had to reinstall my whole sim

very sad times

V4 was my last P3D but I barely touched it

[full plank]

I installed alot of scenery way too fast & my add-on.cfg file had gone chinese so I too had to nuke my sim & start over & that was V5

[rustic charm]

Off to LAX

Wish we had Combis ngl

I wonder if TFDi will ever make them as some kind of expansion

Okay I'll need to buy a proper payware Malpensa cause this is an extremely pretty departure

[trim harbor]

https://fselite.net/content/a-new-subscription-service-for-msfs-scenery-is-coming-introducing-simatlas/

i think its a good idea personally

depending on what its gonna include it might make more sense subbing to this than buying each inndvidual scenery itself

if its only some random airports from not really known devs its kinda shitty

[rustic charm]

Oh that's kinda cool

But yeah

Depends on the content

[trim harbor]

i get the hate, subs shouldnt be the norm

but in a hobby like flight sim, it makes sense

purchase all major airports and youre in the 400-500s price wise easily

not everyone can afford it

[rustic charm]

Yeah

I mean, on average a high quality airport is $15-20

Just 20 airports and you're $400 already

And 20 airports isn't much

[reef isle]

ini has finally unghosted me @rustic charm

Unfortunately that's as far as I'm comfortable saying in a public space

Please don't try to extract anything from this, it really doesn't mean anything beyond they have now answered to my electronic written communication

[rustic charm]

Nice, well at least you have a reply now XD

[untold finch]

Ini are odd
They asked for my address to send me a bunch of merch a while back, for no reason I could identify
When I confirmed that it arrived, they asked me to post about it on social media
I then got another email later on telling me to ignore that request because it was just an intern being too keen with the social media engagement
I told them I didn't have any social media and never heard back

Nice mug though, makes a sports direct mug feel small

[dusty sky]

I wouldn't complain

Free merch lmao

[untold finch]

I didn't complain, but the whole experience was odd and they never did explain why they sent it

[rustic charm]

That's fun

"Hey, have this"

[untold finch]

I did ask but they dodged the question

Maybe I was one of the "top customers" that year or something
I did buy plenty of payware that year

[rustic charm]

Tbh I'd be quite surprised and would like an explanation in that case too

[untold finch]

Yeah, I thought it was a scam email at first when they wanted my address

[dusty sky]

I want to see the mug now

[rustic charm]

That's a big mug

[untold finch]

The thing underneath is a t-shirt

[dusty sky]

What size is that my guy

XXXL

[rustic charm]

Also do they sell merch on their website, I've not actually noticed it ever

[untold finch]

XL

They never asked for my size either
They just guessed, it's a bit baggy on me

[dusty sky]

Wrong person idk

I like the mug tho

[trim harbor]

What did udo

[hollow oracle]

https://x.com/airwaysmagazine/status/1993913786189730086?s=46

Airways Magazine (@airwaysmagazine)

🔴 New Pacific Airlines has ceased operations due to unsustainable financial losses. The airline initially planned to operate transpacific flights between North America and Asia, with a stopover at Anchorage,

X · Nov 27, 2025, 5:24 AM

[dusky leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_to3uVRigs

[dusty sky]

Ok...?

I can't be the only one that saw it coming

[runic hare]

tried to be icelandair of alaska

[rustic cedar]

such a cool trailer icl 😭

[untold finch]

If it were for MSFS or X-Plane I'd snap it up
I am sure it is a labour of love

[hollow oracle]

It’s just kind of funny, they spent all that time and effort with the legal battle over the northern pacific name with BNSF, and then they decided to go with a fleet of 757s (where only 2 airlines have them flying still), and they still couldn’t make it

[hollow oracle]

https://youtu.be/_jrrOkMhMoc?si=gY7GQvf9O50yFrwl

[dusty sky]

I feel like unless you start with like 10 planes you aren't gonna make it as an airline

That just seams to be the case now

[hollow oracle]

Not even, spirit couldn’t even make it

[dusty sky]

I mean true

[rustic charm]

Well tbf more 757s are still flying

They are of course less efficient than A321LRs

But with A321LRs it's a long queue

Meanwhile 757s have high range, are still more efficient than trijets and quadjets or even widebodies, and they probably have plenty of spare parts

[dusty sky]

How many factories does Airbus have?

[rustic charm]

I think there are 4 final assembly points for A320s

Toulouse, Hamburg, Mobile, Tianjin

[hollow oracle]

Only two airlines have heavy maintenance shops for them though, if a 757 needs heavy maintenance then it’s going to have to be contracted out to a specialty shop elsewhere

They’re old, and Boeing has moved on two generations of aircraft since the 757, so parts and qualified maintenance personnel aren’t as plentiful

[dusty sky]

I'm gonna guess delta and united

[hollow oracle]

Delta and UPS, I don’t know if United still has any flying

FedEx might or might not have 757s too

[hollow oracle]

It’s funny, I finally dove into the world of P3D the other night and I had no idea it came with a bunch of branded Lockheed Martin aircraft, so I was just playing around with the C-130

[rustic charm]

Well Delta and United surely maintain theirs themselves, but I'm sure so do UPS and FedEx. Also there are 757s flying with some Chinese cargo airlines, they certainly aren't sent to the US for maintenance, so there must be a base in Asia as well. And then there's Azur in Russia who maintains theirs too, so a maintenance facility exists, although inaccessible to any non-Russian aircraft

[dusty sky]

Literally taken rn

[hollow oracle]

Fair enough, I misremembered how many were still flying

I think I got mixed up with Delta and UPS sharing maintenance for their 757s

Not that long ago they announced a partnership for 757 maintenance stuffs

https://simpleflying.com/delta-air-lines-ups-maintain-boeing-757/

[dusty sky]

Where the hell are they

Are they -300's?

[rustic charm]

Only for PW2000s though

Oh btw, DHL also still has 757s in Europe, and so des Swiftair. Although not too many

Then you have Cargojet in Canada with a fair fleet that I think they don't yet even plan to retire

[dusty sky]

Ab yeah I saw a cargo one flying over my house one time

[dusty sky]

You mean this?

[rustic charm]

Yes, that's Cargojet

I'm definitely gonna have to buy CYHM once Bluebird releases the freighters

[hollow oracle]

I had no idea that so many were flying still

[dusty sky]

It's a good plane

[hollow oracle]

I was looking at the qualitywings 757 for P3D, it’s like $15, looks alright too

[dusty sky]

What airlines used the A340-600?

Man 🥀

[rustic charm]

The MD-11 just became the plane with the most hours for me

A total of 237 hours 36 minutes

Beating the 777s by 29 minutes

[hollow oracle]

Welcome to the club

It’s very addicting to fly, it looks like an old airliner but it flies like a modern one, makes for cool screenshots without being too difficult to fly

[hollow oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OArru5OkVKE

[trim harbor]

Lufthansa still does

[rustic charm]

Swiss and Edelweiss as well I think

Plus Mahan and Kam Air

South African probably?

Azerbaijan Airlines have a couple in the fleet but I don't think they use them anymore

Conviasa flies them

[rustic charm]

Yeah, it's not difficult for sure

It's certainly unique, gotta get a bit used to the way it handles

But it's not too difficult to fly

Easier to deal with it than with a DC-6

Plus what helps is that the MD-11 is fully RNAV-capable, flying without having to jump VORs is much easier

Although in some cases a bit less enjoyable I'd say

There's almost nothing I've done that was more fun than jumping VOR to VOR across the US and Canada, from Seattle to the east coast, mostly Halifax

[hollow oracle]

oh shit, i had no idea that the TFDi MD-11 actually had a P3D version, and it comes with the MSFS purchase

i thought they only did the 717 for P3D

[rustic charm]

Yeah both are available

The P3D version I think won't get the visual upgrade that they're currently working on

But it will get the other parts of the big update

The 'extended simulation package', etc

[rustic charm]

Can confirm Mahan still fly 340-600s, one just took off right over my head while I'm on the way to OMSJ for my flight

In fact that might've been a -300 even

[reef isle]

Might be literally the most modern plane on Mahan's fleet lol

actually saying that I think the RJs are newer

[runic hare]

Tad snowy

[runic hare]

De-icing not req

[rustic charm]

Welp, just boarded my flight here

Definitely no de-icing needed for a flight from Sharjah to Doha XD

Bit cramped but could be worse

[wind kelp]

Worst conditions ive landed in istg

[dusty sky]

the child

[dusty sky]

I love this thing, the preportions are so strange

[mint whale]

ITS FINALLY FRIDAY

AND I CAN FINALLY FLIGHT SIM AGAIN

RAHHHHH

[trim harbor]

wut airline did u fly

[hollow oracle]

https://x.com/airbuspress/status/1994460824660852902?s=46

Airbus Newsroom (@AirbusPRESS)

Airbus update on A320 Family precautionary fleet action
➡️ https://t.co/Rf1J0atSi3

X · Nov 28, 2025, 5:38 PM

Oh boy

[rustic charm]

Oh I realised I didn't send any pictures lol

It was Air Arabia

[dusty sky]

I love the sparky 747 man

I put in 141 tons of fuel and it gives me 111 tons

[hollow oracle]

hell yeah, i was playing around with moving some aircraft over from FSX to P3D, and i followed that guide on how to upgrade the DC-10 for v5, and its so fucking awesome now

the virtavia C17/B24/B29 all work fantastic without any modifications too

[dusty sky]

Is that one of my favourite plane-livery combo of all time

[trim harbor]

oh lcc

[hollow oracle]

the one thing that bugs the shit out of me is that FSrealWX in P3D is very literal with its visibility, if the METAR says 10SM of visibility, it sets it to 10SM, so it always looks so foggy

[trim harbor]

well as long as it wasnt too bad

[hollow oracle]

the only workaround that ive found is setting the weather to update super infrequently, and then once it loads you manually change the visibility to what it should be

EGSS 290650Z AUTO 18013KT 9999 OVC014 10/09 Q1002

now its raining, the METAR just says its low overcast clouds

[dusty sky]

so I've completely given up on buying a plane and I'm just gonna buy xplane 12

[trim harbor]

why

[dusty sky]

because

I can get an A330 and A340 in xp12

plus the sparky 747 enhancement mod

[trim harbor]

i mean u can get the same in msfs

[dusty sky]

yeah but I need 2024

[hollow oracle]

the default xplane airbusses are not very good

[trim harbor]

yeah i was gonna say that

they're okay

the ini a330 is (sadly) better

[dusty sky]

.

and the A340?

[hollow oracle]

same aircraft

[dusty sky]

the xworks thing

[trim harbor]

my personal experience crashing over the pacific

its ergh

like ngc said

its the same aircraft

with a diff body

the weight to thrust ratio is off and not like the real a340

it flies like an a330

[dusty sky]

bruh

ok then what plane do I get 😭

[trim harbor]

msfs24 first and then ini a340-300/a350

they're good

the default ini a330 is okay, it's free after all

[dusty sky]

I'd rather not tbh

2020 is fine for me

and I have xp11

[trim harbor]

atleast for me 2024 improved performance massively

[dusty sky]

anyway plen

[trim harbor]

i should fly abit

[dusty sky]

just 12 and a half hours to go...

[hollow oracle]

using orthos in P3D looks really awesome from a distance, but then you got to an airport and its just flat and empty

vs autogen stuff

[dusty sky]

Lmao

[trim harbor]

youre gonna have to fix your ortho tress boss

[dusty sky]

Xplane mobile ah scenery

[hollow oracle]

the actual flying experience and everything in P3D is so fucking good, but then when it comes to the airports, its so painful

[trim harbor]

pmdg 747 my love

qw787

[hollow oracle]

payware airports look fantastic, but then the default airports and new afcads look like microsoft flight sim 1982

[trim harbor]

well

p3d is reskinned fsx

using 2005 data

lmao

[hollow oracle]

at least the new afcads are realistic operationally

[hollow oracle]

yeah, but even the autogen scenery looks pretty great, and then you go to the airports and its just flat green and the same 5 buildings

[dusty sky]

Do you want the -100 or -400 first

[trim harbor]

-400

i have the -200 in xplane

which is similiar to the -100

i personally dont care for the -8i

[dusty sky]

8i is kinda boring

I hope they make the CRT screens properly

[trim harbor]

i dont think my a350 works

a great start

[trail monolith]

Well on the bright side it haven't fried itself yet

[hollow oracle]

That whole airbus thing ended up not being that big of a deal as far as grounding the aircraft goes

American and Delta already had most of their fleet updated before the EASA airworthiness directive went into effect, and United didn’t even have to update any of their Airbus fleet

Though I heard that some non-US airlines have been really struggling hard to get things sorted out

[rustic charm]

A friend of mine told me that around 900 older Airbuses will be grounded until their computers are replaced, sounds like a rather big deal to me

[trim harbor]

think i tailstriked my a321 landing

lmao

'PITCH PITCH'

oopsies

[dusty sky]

am I the only one that tail strikes the 787 on almost every takeoff?

[reef isle]

TV news said that about 50 planes of the ITA fleet are affected

[dusty sky]

holy shit that's the biggest group flight ever

[runic hare]

the computers don't need replacing

its a software change from what I've been told

it swiches the ELAC to Alt Law and displays an error message as opposed to continuing as if nothing has happened

a lot of carriers aren't affected

[trail monolith]

Most likely only russian airbuses if anything

[trim harbor]

@runic hare do u have ur sched for feb mayhaps

ryr flies to vienna right

[runic hare]

ofc

[trim harbor]

im there for a day

[runic hare]

for feb idk until jan

[trim harbor]

maybe we're lucky

[runic hare]

STN-VIE is rare with a 737

[trim harbor]

F

[runic hare]

usually vienna based 320's

[trim harbor]

lauda air probs then

[hollow oracle]

Better than floppy discs I guess

[trim harbor]

gole TNCM rotation

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

i have figured out that FSX AFCAD files are not compatible with P3Dv5 without a massive amount of work

[hollow oracle]

i dont really get it, do people just use the default garabge P3D airports? how do you even fly when you dont even know if the airport you're flying to is just a runway with no parking

[trim harbor]

from years of flying p3d

yes

[hollow oracle]

at least with FSX there was a TON of AFCAD fixes and stuff, so you could at least find something that might be somewhat useable

[hollow oracle]

the worst part is that I want to do a flight out of KCHS, but the military ramp has no parking at all, so wtf am i meant to do

Just spawn on runway?

I don’t know what the P3D airport meta is

[trim harbor]

U dont fly there at all

Or u slew to the parking position

Welcome to p3d

[dusty sky]

holy shit pixels

[hollow oracle]

I guess doing pax ops is a lot easier to do default airports, because at the very least it’s going to have passenger parking stands

Cargo and military are not designed for default airports

[dusky leaf]

Navigraph have a free ppl type course. No sub required, just a free account, has lessons and exams. Yes most here should know it, and some of it is kiddy basic, but always good to brush up on the basics. MSFS only though

[dusty sky]

so I might be cooked

this bug with the engine happened again

[trim harbor]

what a beauty

looks weirdly grainy for a proper camera pic though

[runic hare]

High ISO

That is fit tho

[trim harbor]

got a steal of a deal

130euro return business class on a 3 hour flight

actually baller

[dusty sky]

Ok so I either get the rotate MD-11 or the Felis 742

It's between these 2 period

[dusty sky]

I should have seen this coming

[trim harbor]

Felis

Wirhout a doubt

[dusty sky]

Ok fine

Also can someone explain to me the 742F's other navigation system

[trim harbor]

Which

Ltn, civa?

Vor

[dusty sky]

CIVA I know

The one with a lot of buttons

On the Atlas air one

[dusty sky]

What in the fuck

What is that

Like it's what I was talking about yes but how is it used

[runic hare]

It’s an FMC

But

It’s a very old one

Only Waypoint navigation no vnav

You need to manually enter everything as well no FMS plans or DLink

LTN stands for laser something or other it’s cool but reasonably inaccurate compared to IRS systems

[dusty sky]

Apparently it's Litton not laser

Or no

I don't think LTN actually stands for anything

My source for that was lockheed martin btw

[reef isle]

It's basically CIV-A INS but instead of entering coordinates you can enter waypoint names

[rustic charm]

777s are so pretty ngl

Saw one during the weekend too 😎

Wasn't expecting it so only a shit video though 😭

[hollow oracle]

Considering the aerosoft CRJ

[hollow oracle]

oh, flightsimdispatch died

oh, theyre back, i was just looking at the wrong URL

i was confused why it was saying it couldnt connect, i thought it was temporary

[hollow oracle]

i feel like im going insane, am i too used to good visibility, or is this normal for clear conditions???

i guess it is true, the METAR reports 10SM, the game says 20 miles of visibility, and then i can visually see the airport around 20 miles

[trim harbor]

the ltn is great

[hollow oracle]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN 9999M VISIBILITY WITH FEW CLOUDS

[dusty sky]

Are you sure they didn't mean 99.99 cm

[trail monolith]

On the bright side your enemies won't see ya coming

[reef isle]

If you're right below or above the cloud you'll have 10km of visibility

[hollow oracle]

It was like that all the way to the ground

Using the free trial of FSrealWX, I am not impressed

I don’t know if active sky is any better

[dusty sky]

I'm gonna try VOR flying in the 720

this is not gonna go well

now

how the hell do I find VOR's

[rustic charm]

Welp, I'm in Doha Hamad Airport

And I have just under 6 hours until my flight departs

[dusty sky]

is there a way to see VOR's on volanta?

[rustic charm]

Yep, there's a menu you can open on the right and import navdata

It has waypoints, VOR/NDBs, airways

[dusty sky]

it lagged my PC when I loaded it lmao

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah it does that

Found this thing

Let's see if I can spot an A380

[dusty sky]

I feel like something is missing

[rustic charm]

Nah, looks alright to me

[trim harbor]

beauty

[rustic charm]

Yep

Welp, still 3 hours until my flight

[trim harbor]

why did u go 6 hours early lmao

[rustic charm]

Well

I kinda mixed up the departure times

And I was really certain I booked the 15:40 flight to Sharjah

While in reality I booken the 18:35 one

Plus tbf, I had to check out of the hotel by 12, so even if I remembered I booked the one in the evening I would get here only an hour later than I did

Ngl, so annoying when you try to take a picture of the plen but get a reflection of the airport interior on the glass...

Saw some 777s now

Probably gonna fly on a Qatar triple soon enough as well

[trim harbor]

i was thinking of flying qatar

but it didnt make much of a difference and their flight times kinda sucked

[rustic charm]

Yeah, that's fair

For me it just might be the cheapest option

If not Qatar, then probably Emirates

Gonna have to go from Bangkok to any of the airports around Dubai

So options are either a direct with Emirates, a direct with Air Arabia (which I think was more expensive than Emirates when I checked) or a Bangkok - Doha - Sharjah flight with Qatar

Also me being me, I did take a look at potential Drukair flights with a connection at Paro. That is in fact possible to do, Bangkok - Paro - Dubai, but much more expensive

[trim harbor]

emirates is great

[rustic charm]

Well of course it is XD

But Qatar is supposed to be the greatest

plus tbf, if it does end up cheaper, I'll take it. If Emirates is cheaper, I'll take Emirates

[trim harbor]

have u tried etihad

i was thinking of using them

[rustic charm]

Nope, not yet

Tbh with me being in Dubai, Etihad is the worst middle eastern options

They don't have any flights to Dubai for obvious reasons

[trim harbor]

oh youre based out of dubai

oops!

[rustic charm]

And taxi from Abu Dhabi to Dubai is very expensive

[rustic charm]

Kinda, yeah

I still consider my home to be Moscow of course

[trim harbor]

yeah thats what i remembered

[rustic charm]

For flights to/from Moscow, generally Russian airlines will be cheaper anyway

For long hauls I'm always on Aeroflot

For shorter flights can sometimes go for Pobeda or Rossiya cause they're cheaper

I do want to try flying Etihad at some point, tbh I'm happy to try any new airline. But of course, price is important

But also, of course all of my experience is economy, if I write any review here it's economy. I'm not a millionaire

[trim harbor]

mood

emirates does give really good deals for business class though

i was offered business for 450 euros (one way) NRT-DXB

[rustic charm]

That does sound nice

[trim harbor]

i didnt take it sadly

i had issues with my payment

[runic hare]

Etihad, Qatar, Emirates

Emirates is ridiculously overrated for the product compared to the other two

They are all Instagram airlines made to look good in the end tho but Etihad are the best of all 3

I flew Gulf air once and that was excellent

Better than all of them

Same as air Astana

Way way way better than anything in the Middle East

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah I've had people praise Air Astana a lot

Tbh I would say the carriers here are overrated

They cost a lot

And really Emirates and Qatar seem to be all about business/first class

Which seems good but still overpriced

Plus tbh both airlines at this point are just about showing off

Welp, I'm boarding

And my main memory of Doha Hamad Airport?

Paying $5 for a 0.35L sprite

That's outrageous

[trim harbor]

i wanna try them

they actually seem good

i had the option to try out mongolian airlines on FRA-UBN-NRT

im sad i didnt

[runic hare]

Gold standard on A321neoLR’s

Genuinely amazing airline

Almaty’s new terminal as well helps a lot

Old one was shit

Beautiful city as well

[trim harbor]

its expensive though

well 'expensive' but about the same price for a direct flight i believe

maybe ill find a reason to fly there tho

[runic hare]

You can find some decent deals sometimes

I’ve never transferred through Almaty or Astana

Only flown direct

[trim harbor]

cant be worse than china

most terrible immigration experience i've had thus far

and i've flown and transited through alot of places 💀

[runic hare]

Oh nahhh it’s easy af

It’s 30 days for most citizens and they don’t even require biometrics

Took me 5 min in Astana same on the way out

They get really confused by crew stamps 😂😂😂

[trim harbor]

oh yeah ur passport must be full af

[runic hare]

Half of them are rejected exit/entry from flights that just didn’t happen

I have a Schengen exit and entry stamp from FMM-PMI 😂😂😂

[trim harbor]

i always wondered if u get a extra passport or something

because ur pages must fill up quick asf

[runic hare]

Nah I have a 50 page one and I still have like 30 left

It’s from 2022 as well so it’s not new

[runic hare]

The EU will hopefully be using Airport Crew ID’s and the biometrics on them as a valid ID from the UK soon

I can already use it in Australia and NZ as a valid entry card if Ryanair starts flying there

Still need the passport of they ask but it’s not the only way to get in anymore

[trim harbor]

stormy af

[runic hare]

I also have an Ireland Stamp in a British passport

Shouldn’t really be possible but I have one lmao

Had an Austrian border agent ask me how the fuck

[trim harbor]

the a350 runs brilliantly in fs2024 im suprised

better than the fenix for me somehow

[trim harbor]

do u still go thru manned gates?

[dusty sky]

I might be out of my mind

I'm flying a boeing 720 on vatsim

and it's actually working

[dusty sky]

great acuracy

[hollow oracle]

why

it just turned to the right randomly, trying to fix it using direct didnt work either, i had to go into heading mode and manually correct the course back onto the nav path

[dusty sky]

What is that a crj?

[hollow oracle]

yeah, the aerosoft one

[dusty sky]

I can imagine that not being fun

More fun than my horrible manual VOR flying

[trim harbor]

crj is fun to fly wym

[dusty sky]

I mean correcting the course

At least it was easier than my Boeing 720 flight

I had to correct the course like every 5 minutes

[dusty sky]

Ooo

A350

I like it more than the A330

[hollow oracle]

To be fair, that was most likely a bug that happened with the FMC, correcting the course is not normal usually

[runic hare]

yes

anglo passport go brrrr

[dusty sky]

Does anyone know how to start a 707?

[hollow oracle]

I’d imagine it’s similar to the 742

Are you using that Michael Wilson 707?

I’ve had that downloaded for a while but never got around to giving it a shot, I’m curious on how it compares to the captainsim one

I have no idea if the captainsim 707 works in P3Dv5 too, i hope it does but I haven’t tried, and I haven’t heard of anyone else trying either

The Virtavia aircraft ported over perfectly, so I’m curious on how far that goes

[hollow oracle]

its funny, that 717 left me so dissapointed that it ruined everything else captainsim for me, even though their older products are pretty alright

[dusky leaf]

Done with the training missions, finally get to hand fly - they are all about the very capable AP\AT but she is fairly nice to handfly

[hollow oracle]

my cat wants to say something in this channel i guess, she keeps hitting the enter key while i try to type

[dusty sky]

I'm asking because I want to know how to start the 720 which is the exact same as the 707

It's just lighter 707-120

[rustic charm]

Tbh the 707 shouldn't be too difficult to start

I've not actually tried a 707 but I did fly the 727 a fair bit and they should have almost the same cockpit

First get GPU connected and enable it on the FE panel, then start the APU (back wall near the FE seat if the 727 is anything to go off of), switch the source to the APU on the FE panel. Packs off, APU air on. For each engine, engine start switche (overhead panel) to ground, then fuel cutoffs to on

Really quite standard startup

[trail monolith]

Then by all means let it

[trail monolith]

^^ this

[rustic charm]

Descending towards Las Vegas

https://tenor.com/rH0apSXi618.gif

Unfortunately I don't have the FlyTampa airport & city, so sadly have to endure default

[hollow oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7UADqKeJjI

[hollow oracle]

i did a flight into vegas too

[dusty sky]

Apu lmao

[trim harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tVBjiwXITg

[trim harbor]

what the

this cant be right

[runic hare]

Mf is in orbit

Low ass pressure

[dusty sky]

I still gotta fly in Japan properly

I've really only taken off from Haneda twice

[dusty sky]

Does ANA do shot hops in Asia with the 787?

[trim harbor]

do the classic

RJTT-RJCC

ana operates all their fleet on that route

unironically

or RJTT-RJOO

[dusty sky]

I'd check flight radar but that's kinda down right now

[trim harbor]

if u want abit longer

RJTT-ROAH

they're all flown with 737s, 787s, 777s

or A359, 787, 767 for JAL

[dusty sky]

I searched up ROAH and it gave me a game on steam 💀

Oh naha

[trim harbor]

stormy out of london

[dusty sky]

That's beautiful

Xplane can't compare at all on night shots

[dusty sky]

What airac cylce is xplane 11 on?

[trim harbor]

2306 mayhaps

thats what 12 is on iirc

[dusty sky]

This has to be the most random flight I've ever seen

[dusty sky]

omg Enola Gay

[hollow oracle]

its so cruel that the B-29 has the tendency to yaw right, but there is no rudder trim, so the entire time you're flying you have to be on the rudder pretty hard

[hollow oracle]

finally got around to removing one of the aircraft in the formation so I had a spot to go

the only issue is that it's all technically 1 aircraft, so when the formation turns, the left side suddenly gains like 20kts, and the right side suddenly loses 20kts, so it instantly throws you out for formation and you have to re-group again

[hollow oracle]

pretty fun flier, had no problems doing an RNAV approach too

i actually forgot to arm thrust reversers, but i managed to stop using speedbrake and manual braking

not only that, i actually managed to make the mid-runway turnoff too

[trim harbor]

i ran out of fuel

simbrief L

[hollow oracle]

Simbrief always seems to underestimate fuel numbers, but I have never run out yet

I always round up the fuel number simbrief gives

[full plank]

I usually find the dedicated aircraft profiles to be alright, otherwise I just load up an extra 3 tonnes & let it be that

[dusty sky]

I've almost run out of fuel once but that was more on me for running the engines at almost full power

And that's it actually

[trim harbor]

Meh idrc in the ebd

Happens

[dusty sky]

Missclick?

I'd love to run out of fuel once just to have the experience

[trim harbor]

No simbrief just miscalculated it

I cross check the FOB and ZFW b4 engine start

It lined up

Maybe winds changed or something

I really dont know

[dusty sky]

You said ebd

I was talking about that

[trim harbor]

oh

in the end i meant

i still counted the flight as valid

[trim harbor]

china time

bruh

[dusty sky]

The xplane Concorde is 50% off rn

How long is this black Friday sale gonna last...

[trim harbor]

rocket takeoff jesus

[dusty sky]

That livery is beautiful

[runic hare]

Usually until Friday the 5th

Then another sale for Boxing Day

[rustic charm]

Time to fly

Looks weirdly white at night

[trim harbor]

the good livery

[rustic charm]

Yep

I'll be honest

That's one of the main reasons I got the 772 to begin with XD

[trim harbor]

wish it worked on su4

i miss flyign the -300

[rustic charm]

Same with the MD-11, American was a large reason why

And the funniest part

I've only done 1 flight for American in the MD-11, a delivery. And 0 flights for American in the 772

[trim harbor]

bruh

[rustic charm]

Though with the 772 it's mostly because I've barely flown it overall

I think just 3 flights?

A delivery to BA, KPAE - EGLL - EGKK

And a delivery to Aeroflot

[trim harbor]

i found a real liking in this livery lately

[rustic charm]

While the MD-11 is my most-flown type... 65 hours on it with Aeroflot Cargo, 55 hours on it with Thai (only 3 revenue flights though... I delivered it to Bankok, did VTBD - VHHX - YSSY - VTBD, and had to retire it right afterwards)

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah, looks cool

[trim harbor]

i love the md11 so much

its too bad its also not out for 2024 yet

plane was way ahead of its time

even now its as modern as an a350

[rustic charm]

Ngl I do love it too

It has so many cool features

Like how you can completely switch to metres

I don't think other planes do that

[trim harbor]

nope

[rustic charm]

You can make a 777 display the altitude in metres, but the altitude you set in the MCP will still be feet

Meanwhile the MD-11 switches fully, so you can be exactly at the assigned altitude

Also its ability to step all by itself

In any other airliner you have to initiate the step climbs manually

In the MD-11? You program them before the flight, select your final altitude on the MCP and it does everything for you

And so many cool liveries on the MD-11 too

I really liked the old Thai livery for some reason, such a shame I had to retire it. Gonna have to deliver another reg

Old American. Old Varig. Old FedEx

[trim harbor]

never forget what they took from us

[dusty sky]

I prefer to forget...

[trim harbor]

back when star alliance was actually good

[dusty sky]

Thai and united ruin the whole livery

However

A340-200

[trim harbor]

old liveries were just so much better in 90% of the cases

[trim harbor]

yes

[dusty sky]

Yes

Battleship gray is growing on me

[trim harbor]

good livery

[rustic charm]

For now quite a lot are locked from me cause of the PWs, but once those are out (and I think they'll be relatively soon), add Delta Widget, Swiss, LTU...

[trim harbor]

LTU : (

a loss i will forever not get over

[rustic charm]

Also, I like JAT but I'm angry that they cancelled their MD-11s

I'm pretty sure they had a couple on order

But never actually got them

Also, once PWs are out... Aer Lingus

They had 1 MD-11 on lease from World Airways, but they did actually paint it into their livery

[dusty sky]

When are we getting that god damn L1011

[rustic charm]

I think January - February

Now this is proper

Also

I somehow broke the engine sounds lol

Today and yesterday I was doing a bunch of stuff in the files trying to make a 777-200 non-ER

And looks like something that I did ended up completely removing the engine sounds from this thing

[dusty sky]

10/10 livery

[trim harbor]

do u just hear inside sounds now

[rustic charm]

I don't hear any engine sounds

Inside the cockpit it's only the cockpit sounds

Switches, warnings, callouts are fine

Outside of the cockpit it's just the wind

[dusty sky]

I only have the 737-800 and -700 to use the old American livery

Which yk isn't great

[dusty sky]

Is that a smile

[trim harbor]

JAS my love

[dusty sky]

Where are you flying?

[trim harbor]

guangzhou - beijing capital

2 hours or something

its an a380 route funnily enough

[rustic charm]

Oh Beijing Capital...

[trim harbor]

smug

[rustic charm]

Looks pretty, yes

But

[trim harbor]

dead airport

closed shops everywhere

barely any food places

couldnt even go to kfc because i didnt have alipay or wechat pay

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Isn't that the airport with a lot of orange

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Actually wait, I'm thinking of Beijing Daxing

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thankfully i have not been to daxing

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Capital is actually fine in terms of efficiency I think

A normal airport layout

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simplyaviation descrbied the airport well

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Daxing meanwhile is built for pretty, not for useable

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'it's a very modern airport but it just feels empty, lacks character, especially at night, everythings closed, which is weird for an intl airport'

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Also stuff being closed is really weird indeed

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its just a weird airport in general

its super pretty but weird

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I was thinking of the right one

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TWO immigration lines for the entire airport