Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[trim harbor]

so its what the fenix a320 is like

shes flies good though

the flight model is actually really nice

of course i dont know how its compared to rl

but i think its just right

it doesnt feel too heavy/sluggish like the a380 or a350

it feels quite light for an a340

[rustic charm]

Nice

If it flies nice, that's amazing

[reef isle]

It looks to be the same as the default A330

Or very close to it

From what Emmanuel has shown so far

[rustic charm]

Uh oh, I've not heard all that much good stuff about the default 330

[rustic charm]

That wasn't a really great one

Could've been worse though

[dusky leaf]

https://fselite.net/content/flyjsim-727-abandoned-and-a-look-at-the-future/

[untold finch]

I saw one fly over in real life today, they sound weird as fuck IRL too

[hollow oracle]

its just 4 APUs trying to get a widebody to fly

[hollow oracle]

my parents must have volanta or something, because its uncanny how accurately they know when to finish dinner right when i takeoff or right when i go to land

even if i dont finish the flight, its all about the practice

[hollow oracle]

sort of related, in mexico there is a genre of music called "narcocorrido" which translates to drug ballad, and its usually about drug smuggling and trafficking, and the 727 was so popular in the mexican drug trafficking that there is a narcocorrido about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iim9ypu2B4

its unironically a banger

every time i fly the 727, i have to listen to it enroute at least once

[hollow oracle]

its a day that ends in Y, im flying the B-17

i found out that you have to disable accu-sim to get it to play nicely with replays as well

[runic hare]

This doesn’t surprise me one bit

[dusky leaf]

I did have hopes

Luckily the msfs one is pretty decent

[runic hare]

I mean the FJS 727 is very good

But in 2020 there was no cabin model

I remember the price being like £50 as well

So not even cheap

No shock to me that he won’t be finishing either and porting them to xp12

[hollow oracle]

huh, i didn't know that iris made all of their FSX aircraft free

the warthog is actually pretty great, definitely on-par with the DCS one (technically even better, because it has interactive switches, where the DCS one doesnt)

definitely going to play around with it a bit

id be interested in trying out their F-14 and doing some carrier landings and general top gun garbage, but im not too familiar with the systems in the first place, im at least somewhat familiar with the A-10

[rustic charm]

Tbf it’s 4 CFMs, same ones that power the A320 iirc

They just feel like 4 APUs due to the plane’s size

It’s not like it’s powered by low-bypass fans or whatever

Looking at this guy
Wish we had one

[untold finch]

I assume you mean the A-10A because the DCS A-10C definitely has interactive switches

[reef isle]

There's no way the flight model is as good

[dusty sky]

Is that the il-86 or the 96?

[rustic charm]

That’s an 86

[hollow oracle]

Yeah, both are A-10As

[rustic charm]

The only widebody airliner in the world powered by low bypass turbofans

[dusty sky]

I love the il-86

Idk just looks amazing

[echo gorge]

Yeah they're cool as hell

[hollow oracle]

Obviously I’m not a pilot, nor a fighter pilot, nor an A-10 pilot, but from my experience in DCS, the flight model feels pretty good

Definitely better than the MSFS one from Deimos, that’s absolutely certain

DCS one is definitely better, but the iris one isn’t far behind tbh

I’m still pissed about the ED/razbam situation, I’ve been a little interested in getting back into the sim again recently

[reef isle]

Fair enough 😅

I haven't played BMS but DCS can't be beaten in terms of FM unfortunately

I don't even do combat

all my flying in DCS is just formation and "free flight"

I mean all Deimos aircraft are shit, not surprised that's better, probably most FS9 planes are better than Deimos' pieces of shit

[rustic charm]

Agree

Ngl

Il-86s are super fun due to just how underpowered they are

And they also used to fly to interesting places

For example Tivat

I don't think any European airlines ever flew widebodies there, meanwhile Russian carriers used to send A310s (only S7 though), Il-86s & 96s, 767s

[hollow oracle]

My favorite part of the Deimos A-10 is the Boeing 747 MCDU

[rustic charm]

Welp

https://tenor.com/I6GW.gif

[trail monolith]

Welcome to the club

Now i don't gotta get jumped when talking bout FS24

Also which variant did you get=

?*

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1imploding-tyler1slamming-desk-tyler1rage-tyler1desk-slam-gif-22666173

I need to upgrade for the microprose B-17

[reef isle]

it's still shit

I only switched for the L-1011

it runs much worse at comparable graphics settings compared to 2020 on my machine

If I fly in VR, Xplane11 with AutoOrtho genuinely looks better AND runs better

and yes, Xplane 11

[trail monolith]

FS20 is much more trash

[reef isle]

hard disagree

but let's see if the next SU improves things

I still think FS2024 as a whole was a mistake and shouldn't have happened 😄

[trail monolith]

The download/updates takes forever

[reef isle]

wait, you use the streamed stuff in 24?

I downloaded all the planes I use

[trail monolith]

Yes

[reef isle]

Oof

[trail monolith]

But on FS20 the downloads and updates takes forever

[reef isle]

I haven't really noticed a difference

[hollow oracle]

Did SU3 actually add in the downloading feature that was in the betas?

[reef isle]

Only thing that's quicker in 24 is the loading time

but having an almost empty Community folder helps 😅

[reef isle]

Yes

I'm never going to fly a streamed aircraft.

Speaking of FS24 aircrafts, I tried the Miltech C-17 and holy crap

it's horrible

Now I see why nobody bothered to do liveries for it

[trail monolith]

Did you rent it?

[hollow oracle]

Nooooooo, that was one of the main reasons I wanted to get the super mega ultra deluxe if I upgraded

[reef isle]

No, I initially bought the expensive edition, then got that refunded (because back then the game didn't actually work for me, it would barely launch), a few SUs later I bought the cheap version, but somehow MS didn't correctly remove the entitlement for other other version

[hollow oracle]

It seemed like the only C-17 with a proper MCDU and everything

[reef isle]

Because I'm an idiot I would normally remove that stuff manually, but this time because of all the pain and grief FS24 caused to me I've decided to see it as a generous gift from Microsoft

[hollow oracle]

The Virtavia one in FSX is completely busted and wrong, and the freeware one in MSFS uses a civilian GPS (which works nicely, but far from accurate)

[trail monolith]

Atleast there is a heavy airlift wing livery for it https://sv.flightsim.to/file/98208/miltech-boeing-c17-globemaster-iii-sac-heavy-airlift-wing

[reef isle]

It's the only and only USAF livery for it

which is quite telling

especially when you consider that there are a lot more liveries for the free one

[reef isle]

HUD is wack, velocity vector is just a random indicator that doesn't really mean anything, the autopilot is buggy and EXTREMELY basic (only navigation modes are: Route, Approach and Heading), only vertical modes are Pitch and V/S, very limited (if at all existent?) TACAN support, flight dynamics seem decent, but they're a bit weird, especially the FBW system

the SkySim DC-9 has a more capable autopilot

also if you go through the manual you'll see that loads of things are INOP, or not modelled

for me the bad Velocity Vector and FD/Autoflight system is enough to put me off so I won't really go further

[hollow oracle]

Ah well, at least looking back on it, that and the dreamlifter were the only thing in the premium deluxe that I was interested in

The standard includes the beluga, the new A-10, and the A321

[trail monolith]

The dreamlift i've heard is heavily buggy

[reef isle]

Oh they're both terrible, I won't even try the Dreamlifter

[trail monolith]

Don't forget the A400m

[hollow oracle]

I mean… what isn’t in 2024?

2024 defenders are all like, “you just saw the reviews from early on, it’s gotten much better”, yet I seriously can’t name a single positive review of 2024 outside of “it works the same as 2020”

[reef isle]

the new lighting is quite nice

[trail monolith]

The Cessna 172 :P

[reef isle]

I always hated 2020's lighting and colours, 2024 is much better

that's the only improvement I saw

everything else is worse than 2020 from my experience

oh wait actually that's not true, suspension and ground handling seems better as well in 2024.

[hollow oracle]

At least for me, Rex atmos fixes that pretty well

[reef isle]

Yes, but I'm not paying for better sky colours

[hollow oracle]

I’ve heavily been considering buying game pass to get 2024 to try out the microprose B-17, but I don’t know if I want to do the entire process of migrating sims just to go to a subscription version via Xbox when I’ll probably end up going steam when I permanently buy it

2024 didn’t even go on sale during the Steam autumn sale too

Definitely just FOMO with the B-17 though, it’s undoubtedly going to be pretty rough on release

It’s funny watching DCS/war thunder dogfight tactics videos, every move has a name like chess moves, vs CAS in the A-10 is just ground pounding at anything that moves

[rustic charm]

Standard

Expensive enough as it is

And there isn’t really anything that interests me in premium or deluxe

I mean, I bought the thing for the A343

[reef isle]

@rustic charm found anothe 727 CIVA operator

[rustic charm]

Oh that's neat

I'm trying to install the 340 liveries right now XD

[untold finch]

DCS models flight really well, but only in perfect conditions - turbulence and wind in the game are super simplified and it really takes away from the flying when you start noticing it

[reef isle]

True, but even then it's still better just because the "baseline" is much higher

[untold finch]

I think X-Plane is probably the best of both worlds, wish I had the disk space free to try it

[reef isle]

if that makes sense

[untold finch]

It does, yeah

[rustic charm]

I kinda like it

[trail monolith]

https://x.com/flyswiss/status/1975946590968828387?s=46

Swiss Intl Air Lines (@FlySWISS)

Tomorrow our first Airbus A350 “Lausanne” (HB-IFA) lands in Zurich as LX5359 around 3pm.
Come by Zurich Airport and public spotting areas or watch our YouTube live stream and track the flight on Flightradar24.
https://t.co/tQfUuzeAAJ #flyswiss #HBIFA #AirbusA350

X · Oct 8, 2025, 3:29 PM

[dusty sky]

the god damn engines don't start

[trim harbor]

send ur overhead panel

[dusty sky]

I left

Cuz I shut down the pc

[hollow oracle]

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/airbus-a320-surpasses-boeing-737-most-delivered-aircraft-ever/amp

[trim harbor]

Airbus won the civilian aviation market

[hollow oracle]

What’s really fucking crazy is that the “Boeing 737 family” includes all the way back to the -100 and -200, all the way up to the max

[rustic charm]

Tbh, I'd more emphasise that Boeing lost

[hollow oracle]

The airbus A320 family is just the A318/319/320/321 plus neo variants

[rustic charm]

Yes, but don't forget that the demand for aircraft, especially of that size, had risen sharply in the latest years

Airbus sells planes really rapidly

Boeing would've been doing it just as rapidly now if instead of the 737M we got a new 757

[hollow oracle]

True, but Boeing had a 30 year head start as the “name brand” in airliners

[rustic charm]

But back in the day, there was just no such demand for planes. Even if the A321neo started production in 1960s, it wouldn't have been able to reach so much sales so quickly, simply because there was nobody to sell to

[rustic charm]

Definitely, and they took advantage of that, but then in one moment they screwed up and lost it all

Like again, my opinion on the matter is quite simple - 737M should've never happened

How many seats was the 737 designed for originally? 100. How many seats do they want from a 737 now? Close to 200. Which Boeing narrowbody was designed specifically for 200 seats and proved to be one of the best and one of the sturdiest planes ever built? The 757-200

[echo gorge]

Boeing went down the tubes after they bought md

[rustic charm]

You mean after MD got paid to take over Boeing

[echo gorge]

Getting rid of the 75, canning their new midsized plane, etc...

[rustic charm]

It just makes me furious that they chose the 737 over 757 for their next gen narrowbody. The 757 is essentially the A321XLR, just needs some optimising

Like come on, at the very least look at what we copied from you. Did Tupolev build a 737 ripoff? No. Did Tupolev build a 757 ripoff? YES, TWICE

Yes we're cheap and we flushed our whole civil aviation sector down the drain after 1992 but we're not stupid, we copied it because it's good

[trim harbor]

757 MAX 3 would be crazy

[rustic charm]

Honestly, idk if Boeing even has any chance to retake the market they lost. I'd even say most likely not, it's all just too bad

They really need to come up with a new mid-sized plane, to replace the 737 max and actually compete with Airbus, but they can't do that anymore. They don't have the budget to build a brand new plane now

[trim harbor]

boeing makes most money from the gov anyway iirc

so its not like they're too dependant on it

[rustic charm]

I mean, the 757 is really the only possible option to try. If they dig up the blueprints and work from there, there's at least a slight chance of success. Although even then, Airbus will remain dominant, while Boeing will be secondary

[trim harbor]

feeling confident enough for a longhaul flight with this

[rustic charm]

Yeah, but they lose a lot of it too

[trim harbor]

ofc

[rustic charm]

NEAT

I'm setting up for a delivery right now, Toulouse to Zurich

Gotta say

It's gonna take some time getting used to 2024

[trim harbor]

my poor g key doesnt work anymore

idk why they changed all keybinds

[rustic charm]

I just use a 2020 preset

I loaded in the first time

Nothing worked

So I went into the settings and found that there is a preset with 2020 defaults lol

[trim harbor]

bruh if only i knew

too late now

@reef isle did u hear

flyjsim abandoned the 727

[reef isle]

I read their message

Yes

[trim harbor]

its kinda sad but i understand

[reef isle]

I don't really mind, I like Xplane 11

[trim harbor]

i was looking forward to the 737 upgrade

it's not dead but delayed indef rn

[echo gorge]

Yeah it's a shame to hear

[hollow oracle]

to be fair, i never really found the flyjsim 732 to be much fun to fly, the VOR tracking was all over the place

i've only done two successful flights in it, and both were a massive struggle to properly track VORs

i try to not jump around aircraft so much, and actually fly the same aircraft a bunch of times in a row, but the B732 is just not that fun to fly compared to really anything else

[runic hare]

I really liked the FJS732

Didn’t really use it for VOR nav only INS and FMC flights

I was looking forward to the XP12 port with the Q4XP FMC in it to get some weird Europe hops done

I just don’t trust them anymore

The Q4XP is by far the best Q400 currently available in any sim and I think that’s all that’s keeping them alive atm

(Don’t get mad the majestic is like 15 years old now)

[hollow oracle]

the pain of finishing preflight before the IRS aligns

[hollow oracle]

the "taxi down the runway" of shame

the fun and interesting part about flying FSX is that even custom airport scenery is stuck in like 2016

though, mistaking the wrong taxiways happens way, way, way more than it should IRL, so im not too concerned

[runic hare]

All pilots are autistic so it should be pretty easy for them to read a map you would think

It’s usually the ADHD ATC who fuck up the instructions

[hollow oracle]

there are also some airports with pretty shitty designs

my plan was to take red, but i took blue on accident, because the taxiway is still shown as open in FSX

probably one of the reasons why it ended up being closed tbh

[hollow oracle]

i suck so bad at reading taxiway signs too

[hollow oracle]

its interesting that theyre going with an MCDU first

apparently programming the CIVA unit and the gauges was the biggest holdup

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

apparently the fix is disabling unused scenery, turning down autogen, and some other settings

whatever, itll give me the opportunity to fix my shitty taxi out of SFO

[hollow oracle]

im playing around with the iris A-10 some more too, and it is pretty perfect as far as systems go

i figured out how to align the IRS, and everything functions as it should

systems-wise, absolutely spot on to the DCS version, but physics-wise i really cant say, except that it does feel good to me at least

the stick feels a little bit twitchy compared to DCS, but i also had my joystick curves dialed in pretty good in DCS

[rustic charm]

Certainly gotta buy some hardware

Thinking honeycomb bravo for throttles and separately either the thrustmaster or the winwing sidestick

[agile oak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/437345770446782465/1425626322855657494/image0.gif

[trim harbor]

The majestic

Amazing plane

Not many will know the struggle of forgetting the gear pin

[runic hare]

Quickly re land, stop the engines, remove it and then come back in 😭😭😭

[dusky leaf]

The Bravo is highly recommended. love my one

[rustic charm]

Note taken

Tbh

I was kinda set on it anyway

I really like how many custom levers some people make

I just don’t quite know what to take for the stick, either winwing or thrustmaster (I want a proper airliner sidestick, not one of the military things since I don’t like military flying)

[reef isle]

Winwing

[rustic charm]

Note taken too

The sidesticks are iirc pretty much the same price too, so if winwing is better, it's not a hard pick

[hollow oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOTrZDoR5GY

https://tenor.com/view/yanatwt-gif-22814884

[hollow oracle]

:(

the A-10C is on sale for $30 off too, but of course im BROKE

i can get the free trial again starting december though, so that's fun

[hollow oracle]

im kind of interested in the WW2 stuff for DCS too, its not quite flying the B-17, but downing B-17s in a Fw190 over france sounds really fun

ive heard there's a mod that makes the B-17 flyable in DCS too, but just no detailed or interactive cockpit

rate my landing guys

[dusky leaf]

The DCS ww2 is kinda half arsed. I prefer IL2 for ww2 stuff

[hollow oracle]

personally, im a lot more comfortable with DCS' mission editor, and i feel like i could do a lot more with it than IL2

[untold finch]

The DCS WW2 aircraft are very well made, fly exceptionally well and sound great, although they are mostly abandoned and get an update once every few years. However, the sad thing is that they're trapped in DCS WW2.

• The planeset doesn't make any sort of coherent sense, with Spitfires from 1942 and Axis fighters from late 1944.
• The AI is dumb as rocks, and there are far too few AI assets (non-flyable aircraft, ships) to make it possible to build a half-interesting mission.
• The interesting ground assets are locked behind a paid asset pack, but going up against these is a nightmare because the ground AI is hyper-accurate and can see through clouds, so you'll be pilot sniped by something that you can't even see.
• The Mosquito, which is one of the latest WW2 aircraft ED have made, is missing a major promised feature and hasn't seen any real movement for several years.
• Multiplayer is pretty much dead. There's at most one server, and it's barely active outside of peak hours where it is rarely full.

Having bought all of the DCS WW2 stuff until the latest half-arsed attempt at an F4U, I would not hesitate to recommend that you run a mile from buying into this ecosystem.

What IL-2 lacks in fidelity, it more than makes up for it in actually making you feel as though you're taking part in the war, where the results of your missions matter, etc.

[mortal furnace]

You cant call it abandoned thats completely unfounded

Sure the pits need updating like the 190 and 109

But there still maintained

IF dcs did il2 damage model oh boy would it be good BUT that whole dcs damage model is tied into one.

What did get me pissy was the ww2 asset pack to have an A.I lancaster but ED removed it

[untold finch]

Okay, the last patch any of them received was July 1st:

DCS: Mosquito FB VI by Eaglе Dynamics
Fixed. Undercarriage warning horn sound in improper conditions
Before that, we're talking March 19th:
DCS: Mosquito FB VI by Eagle Dynamics
Added RU localization for lessons. (It’s been done earlier, but not mentioned)
Prior to that, Feb 19th, something a little more "substantial":
DCS: P-47D Thunderbolt by Eagle Dynamics
Fixed. 'Engine Degraded' with WEP usage.
DCS: P-51 Mustang by Eagle Dynamics
Fixed. Landing lamp is covered with non-transparent material.
DCS: WWII Assets pack by Eagle Dynamics
Ju-88A-4 Fixed. Wrong damage visualisation on distanced LODs.

[mortal furnace]

The problem is ED will go by there bug priority high first low last

[untold finch]

Right, and WW2 (because so few people play it) is always dead last

They still haven't delivered the promised AI navigator for the Mosquito, it launched 4 years ago and it's barely moved since

[mortal furnace]

Exactly but not abandoned

[untold finch]

Okay, not entirely abandoned but it's near as makes little difference

[mortal furnace]

Not talking about missie

I cant find anyone on dcs that can use the mossie navigation

[untold finch]

They did actually start working on an updated damage model for the WW2 stuff, which was then later meant to roll out to modern stuff - never went past a first attempt on the WW2 stuff, where it remains

[mortal furnace]

The one reason i brought the mossie

[untold finch]

I've used the radio navigation tools once or twice I think, it was good fun - real pain in the arse to do it solo though

[mortal furnace]

Yea i cant solo it but cant find a navigator

[untold finch]

But yeah, the lack of a proper coherent planeset and any relevant assets outside of tanks is the killer for me. In a war where a few years made a massive difference in tech, it's not something you can skimp on

tbf I don't love IL-2 either (the great battles series has kinda stagnated a bit, and their direction since Jason left hasn't been great) but I'd definitely recommend it over DCS if you really want to do WW2 stuff

[mortal furnace]

ED should of done the battle of the bulge for there plane set

And added a lightening

[untold finch]

yeah 100%
they should have picked a single period and done that

[mortal furnace]

Like the old janes ww2

[untold finch]

I think they're trying to start over with the pacific theatre
but apparently the F4U is kinda half-arsed, and there's no Zero (yet) and probably won't be for a long while

[mortal furnace]

Yea not sure where there going with it they should of just done battle of britain already having the maps.....

[echo gorge]

Imo the dcs world war ii planes are the best versions of those planes available in any filght sim, but if you actually want to use them for anything beyond just puttering around on free flights you're far better off with il2 gb

Both for multi-player and single

[hollow oracle]

I’ve been somewhat interested in IL2, but there is so much fucking shit to sort through to even get started

Like, there’s that ypack mod(?) which adds in heavy bombers and stuff which is literally perfect, but that’s 1946, but you also don’t even need 1946, but it’s also SAS and the fucking zonk mod(?????)

And I’m honestly not even sure the level of AI in IL2, from what I’ve seen it looks like it’s massively focused on multiplayer, which I have no interest in

I’m going to have to do like several hours of research just to know what is what before I even download anything, which is not a fun introduction

[reef isle]

PhotoMode in 2024 is the end of me finishing up flights in time

1h flights are suddenly going to take 3h

Especially when you fly with a livery like that

[hollow oracle]

Fuck it, I’m not getting to sleep any time soon, research time

[reef isle]

let's goooo

LDA / Visual 22 time

[trim harbor]

JASSSS

[hollow oracle]

Chatgpt really has its moments, and this is one of them

It could just be straight up lying to me, but it is a great aggregator of just years and years worth of forums posts

[reef isle]

that was SO COOL

recorded the approach with SkyDolly, so I think I'll take another milion screenshots later

[reef isle]

@trim harbor more JAS ❤️

This livery is so good

[untold finch]

1946 is really quite old at this point; most people would start with the Great Battles series (no mods really needed), or Cliffs of Dover Blitz (more depth, great damage models, flight models aren't as good though)

[rustic charm]

That approach looks like fun

[reef isle]

LDA / Visual 22

RJTT

[rustic charm]

Ah, Tokyo

Haven't flown there yet

[trail monolith]

When i read JAS i think of the JAS Gripen lmao

[rustic charm]

Finding FedEx routes out of Kai Tak is so difficult

[trim harbor]

fixed my performance issues on msfs24

went from medium on 40-50 fps with stutters to ultra on 90 fps

all i had to do was enable auto oc on both gpu and cpu

crazy

[reef isle]

PC specs?

[trim harbor]

32gb ddr5 ram (6000mhz), ryzen 7 7800x3d (oc'd now), rx7800xt and msfs runs on a 4tb m.2 ssd

[rustic charm]

Forgot to check live weather pre-departure, apparently it's supposed to look like this

[trim harbor]

if anyone cares

VOR to VOR works in the a340 flawlessly

suprised me that they actually implemented it

[hollow oracle]

hopefully i can release it on avsim or something

[trim harbor]

im beign jammed on the ground

thats crazy

[hollow oracle]

yeah... i spent the whole day trying to get ypack working for il2 1946 and it was not worth it

controls are a nightmare, the UI is ancient, airports are missing runways

[hollow oracle]

im losing my shit

its one of those times where it feels like EVERYTHING is broken now

nothing fucking works anymore

why

[hollow oracle]

im going to try BAT instead

its probably going to be equally as garbage, but im trying to salvage literally anything i can out of my purchase

[hollow oracle]

oh wow, ypack is fucking garbage, BAT works significantly better

[hollow oracle]

the learing curve is more like a learning cliff

thank god it was literally $1.90 on a key site

at this point id rather fly fighters in FSX or MSFS, or even DCS honestly

my biggest issue with fighter jet sims is setting up controls, because you have to balance the actual flying controls with the actual fighting controls, and with the B-17 you have double the buttons to manage too

DCS lets you do shift keys, which basically triples the amount of buttons on your controller, but IL2 doesnt let you do that

yeah... i think im going to abandon IL2 and just shift my focus to DCS, because i forgot how awesome the control bindings are

it sucks that there's nothing to shoot at in FSX/MSFS, but honestly i prefer that over having to suffer through using a keyboard for my throttle control

[trim harbor]

there is

use tacpack

https://www.vrsimulations.com/tacpack.php

idrk if its still a thing for fsx thooo

it used to be for fsx

[trim harbor]

LA

[dusty sky]

the humble 788 that's going for the same waypoint but faster

[trim harbor]

bought the fslabs 321 neo

lets c how it is

[reef isle]

Randomly just wanted to share this

a little project I've been working on and off (more off than on) for a long time, about 500 lines of code flying this little drone 🙂

once in forward flight it does great circle navigation (I'm planning to add rhumb line very soon) and follows the correct course automatically, it can also just hold a specific heading or bank angle, for vertical navigation I only have Altitude Hold/Vertical Speed and Flight Level Change

I'd like to tweak the control response, but it's been so satisying seeing it take off and going towards where it's supposed to go.

At the moment I'm manually telling it what "A/P Modes" to use, but in the future I'd like to have it so I can just give it a waypoint to reach and for it to do all the flight planning and A/P mode changes autonomously.
99% of all the (terrible ) code was written by hand by me, I haven't really used LLMs at all, and have kept the copy/paste to an absolute minimum (mostly just some boilerplate stuff to get the pitch angle and bank angle using KSP's coordinate system, which I still don't understand at all)

But I need to make it able to land vertically precisely on a predetermined point first 😬

I can't explain why but I almost feel weirdly "proud" of my little virtual plane whenever I can get it to actually work and do what I want

[trim harbor]

system wise this thing is S tier, s isnt even justifying it

model wise a c and sound wise a d

i mean this is amazing

the cbs acutally work

[trim harbor]

it flies great when doing handflying though

jesus

[echo gorge]

That's super cool

[rustic charm]

Welp, I'm about to try ini's 330

Since I'm on a sidequest to deliver as many different planes to Sheremetyevo as possible (10 right now), it'll be an Aeroflot delivery

Well, tbf 9 right now because I have 2 Aeroflto 77Ws there, and they're in essentially the same livery, just one has a decal. I just had to deliver the second one since I did a random flight in it before

I think I can get to 20 different planes in there XD

On another note, how to even install liveries in 2024 lol

[trim harbor]

Same as 2020

[rustic charm]

Oh right the community folder will just be in some folder in appdata most likely...

Is there any way to move it on 2024?

Cause on 2020 you of course choose the whole install location

Uhm, thanks I guess? I would've hoped that with an RTX 5070, i9-14900HK and 32 gigabytes of RAM my laptop could meet the minimums at least

Looks like for some reason it's using my intel integrated graphics card lol

[rustic charm]

Welp perfect, for some reason the liveries on the A332 installed normally, but the A333 ones don't show up

Guess that decides that tonight I'm delivering an A332

[trim harbor]

did u make sure u switched to the correct model

of the a330

its abit weird the way it works in msfs24

like select your variant first

and then the livery

[rustic charm]

Yeah

I looked through all of them lol

Also ngl, that model is weird

Cause you can have the same livery on different things for some reason

Like the liveries for the A340 from the iniManager are applicable to all 4 variants of the plane

Right now the liveries for the A332 I installed only apply to RR A332s, but to both the normal and the VIP configuration

[trim harbor]

classic

pretty sure thats mt rainer

actually there so many mountains along seattle and portland i really dont know

[rustic charm]

Does look like Rainier indeed

[hollow oracle]

it is evidently extremely important to learn how to recover from a stall in fighter aircraft

becuase you make one wrong move and you're spinning horizontally out of the sky

im trying to use joytokey with il2 so i can bind controller bumpers as shift keys, but for some reason its not working

the actual buttons to keys work, but the bumpers to alt and ctrl doesnt work

this game fucking blows, i figured out how to fix it

[rustic charm]

Over Belarus

Just a bit left to Moscow

And I kinda like this plane...

[hollow oracle]

and then i have controls bound to the numpad keys (after i cleared out the POV controls, which were already using the numpad keys normally, which i never use POV controls anyway)

so it essentially gives you full DCS button controls with the modifiers being the bumpers, and im sure i could bind stuff like the stick buttons and stuff to keys as well

[rustic charm]

And time to descend

Can already see Moscow

Light rain, contamination 51-100% up to 2mm, friction coefficient 45%

Simply lovely

Reversers definitely on this time

And this thing doesn't have a landing calculator btw

That's one drawback for sure

I wonder if ini might go on to update their previous planes (like this one) with the new EFB like in the 340. Probably not

[rustic charm]

Weren't working wipers supposed to be a core thing in FS24

I kinda don't really feel them working

[trim harbor]

apparently not

i wondered the same thing funnily enough

[trim harbor]

overnight to kai tak

[rustic charm]

Beautiful

[trim harbor]

VOR action

[dusty sky]

well I have this to compete

oh the screens are CRT rounded like the A340 as well damn

I've never noticed that

[dusty sky]

hong kong?

[trim harbor]

yup

[dusty sky]

I took off from there not too long ago

I've been online for 1:30 so I can't say not to long ago...

I did an oopsie when trying to lineup but it worked out in the end

I wish it wasn't the middle of the night so I could take a screenshot of the plane

[trim harbor]

bang smack interception

[dusty sky]

I love chinese altitudes...

[trim harbor]

kai tak 11 hours later

[dusty sky]

I'm just gonna ignore it's meant to be night in that shot but cool

[rustic charm]

We love the IGS 13

Doing it in the MD-11 is really fun

[trim harbor]

i think i got it pretty well

[rustic charm]

Mine looked like this

One coming from the southwest was from Bangkok another from the northeast was from Anchorage

In 6 hours I'll be in Bogota

And from Bogota later onto Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro

Idk where this plane would actually be based

I'm delivering it just to fly between Santos Dumont and Congonhas anyway lol

Can't wait until we have a DC-10 cause apparently Iberia flew those to Santos Dumont and that is absolutely crazy

(And from there they flew DC-10s onto Congonhas as well, but Congonhas isn't as crazy as Santos Dumont)

[trim harbor]

go to the cool rio airport

with the tiny runway

[rustic charm]

That's Santos Dumont

[trim harbor]

yes

[rustic charm]

Congonhas is cool too though

Also a small runway

And it's in the middle of the city

[rustic charm]

737M

[trim harbor]

havent flown it in forever

[rustic charm]

Ngl I like the NG cockpit more

[trim harbor]

meh

i like both

i just hate the damn efb in this plane

[rustic charm]

Is it the Boeing one

[trim harbor]

yup

[dusty sky]

when do I contact atc here

[trim harbor]

you dont

unless they ping you

[dusty sky]

alr

[trim harbor]

plane broke for me on takeoff

L really

[dusty sky]

that's sad

[rustic charm]

There's a Washington DC in this screenshot

[rustic charm]

Overflying the Bahamas

And can see Florida off in the distance

[trim harbor]

im suprised ana 319 can do that range

tbh

[rustic charm]

Well

It's an empty 319

Just over 7 hours in the air according to the plan

I did have to load it almost full too

18.9 tons of fuel and I think the maximum is 19.0?

Those 18.9 include reserves of course, I'm almost over Cuba and I still have 10 tons remaining aboard

[runic hare]

ACA A319 at LHR

[trim harbor]

bruh

two sexy liveries

[rustic charm]

It's so cute

[dusty sky]

to me it's less cute and more cool

[reef isle]

Although it's not an RJ, I always think of the swiss commercial

[reef isle]

I think I agree, I think the more rounded nose planes look "cuter" to me

The A220 being a prime example

[rustic charm]

True that

Although I wouldn't particularly say the 220 is very rounded

The 320s have a really nice rounded nose

[reef isle]

Yes, I think what I meant was rather than round that it has no "steps"? (If that makes sense?) It's just one continuous smooth curve across the whole nose section

Comet, Caravelle would be another two good examples

[rustic charm]

Oh, that

Yeah, true too

That's quite cute

[rustic charm]

6:57 flight time, I'm in Bogota

Still had tons of fuel remaining

So yeah, a light 319 can easily do this distance

[trim harbor]

og fsx screenshot

game looked so terrible

[hollow oracle]

is that the A350?

[trail monolith]

It is

You can tell via how everything is basically digital

[trim harbor]

yes

[hollow oracle]

that food looks interesting

[trim harbor]

its not official

[reef isle]

doesn't work as well in english, but it's the itsy-bitsy little concorde

also rare occurance of me not flying a long deceased airline (and also managed to find enough time to do a short flight in the morning )

[rustic charm]

Welp, time for me to continue on from where I left it

[rustic charm]

That looks cool

It's the saab?

[rustic charm]

Flying out of hot & high airports is fun

Took me like 80% of the runway to reach Vr in an almost-empty 319 with less than usual derate

Well tbf not too hot in Bogota right now, just 12 degrees according to the metar

But it being at almost 9k already makes up for that lol

[rustic charm]

Saw an Etihad 350 2 days ago

Beautiful things

That one was a -1000

[trim harbor]

etihads new livery is really nice

[rustic charm]

I agree

For once an actual livery upgrade and not a downgrade

[rustic charm]

Almost halfway there

[reef isle]

yes 😄

default carenado Saab340

[rustic charm]

Alright

Seems like a neat plane

I assume inside it's all gauges?

[reef isle]

a bit of both

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SmpfqTB-GsI/hq720.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEhCK4FEIIDSFryq4qpAxMIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJD&rs=AOn4CLDUcahJIskQzc5l1P2u0GMa0ovnwA

it has the UNS-1 FMC as well

[rustic charm]

Oh that's neat

[rustic charm]

Also I'm flying this and realising

I probably could've cut off several hours from this delivery

If I went via Cabo Verde instead of doing it through Keflavik and North America

[trim harbor]

finally landed

i really love the a350

such a good aircraft

[rustic charm]

Is it the ini one

Although idk if there even are any others in other flight sims

[trim harbor]

ye

theres the flightfactor a350 for xplane but

thats kinda ass

[rustic charm]

Fair

[rustic charm]

An hour to Congonhas

[rustic charm]

Congonhas here we go

And going around

Scary airport

I like it

Going for a this approach first might've not been the smartest decision either

ILS this time

2 gos, great success

First one was because of a descent rate too high, second one because I floated

Going for a third attempt

I am no longer commenting

Only took 4 attempts

[trim harbor]

14 hours to sydney

[hollow oracle]

today in IL2 adventures, i figured out how to hand-fly in formation (after fixing the AI speed), and the norden bombsight

functionally, the bomber simulation in IL2 is pretty much identical to the microprose mighty eighth games, so its actually pretty fun

and there doesnt really have to be a ton of changes in the controls too, because bombing is automatic, you just have to line up the bombsight and set the automatic sight, it drops automatically

[rustic charm]

THIS PLANE DOES GO TO TAHITI

https://tenor.com/sJOIYMPaKho.gif

Why are there no nice RDR2 Tahiti gifs

Not even any good ones with "Does this trolley go to Tahiti"

[trim harbor]

sunshine hour arrival

[rustic charm]

Neat

[reef isle]

I really need to fly in South America more

I should do some cubana flights with the 154 from Cuba to there

Let me see if there's anything interesting

[rustic charm]

Yeah, myself gotta fly there more

But well

Now that I have a Varig MD-11 and a LATAM 319 there, definitely some options

Volanta shows quite well that I've barely flown outside of Europe and North America

[reef isle]

[runic hare]

need more asia and west africa

[runic hare]

cool plane

[rustic charm]

Not too different

Just Moscow is a big hub lol

[echo gorge]

That's the testbed for the m-15 right?

[trim harbor]

australia

im too spread out : (

[runic hare]

Yeahhhhhhh

AN-2 with a jet strapped to the back and an APU

[echo gorge]

It's so jank I adore it

[rustic charm]

An-2 the Soviet Cessna 172 except the size of a 208 and a taildragger

[rustic charm]

Time to descend

[dusty sky]

And almost resistant to crashing for some reason

Idk what antonov was on when designing that thing but I want some of it

[rustic charm]

Oh yes, the An-2 is pretty much uncrashable

And when it does crash, most of the time everyone will just walk away from it

[dusty sky]

If you crash it you're either:
A. Dumb
B. Too high
C. There are way too many clouds for you to see

[rustic charm]

Or it just doesn't wanna take off, it's not in the mood

[dusty sky]

You made it sad

[rustic charm]

Not my best not my worst

Certainly better than yesterday

[hollow oracle]

is this the A321neo

[trim harbor]

yes

it's probably one of my favorite aircrafts in the sim

[hollow oracle]

DO NOT SAY THESE THINGS

[trim harbor]

It‘s good

It‘s very good

It‘s as indepth as the CL650 for xplane

The CBs actually work

It flies amazing

The model is abit mid though

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/yanatwt-gif-22814884

[hollow oracle]

the first time ive flown MSFS, the pmdg 737, and something modern in ages

[full plank]

thank you FSL neo, you are my best friend

still waiting for PW's

[trim harbor]

did they say a date for it yet

im eagerly waiting for it too

[full plank]

nah FSL never give dates, they said ''few weeks'' around the release of the NEO & thats it

we were meant to be getting a small update to sort the LEAPs out too, but I suspect they're gonna be doing a pretty big update eventually

[hollow oracle]

very cool, paused at TOD and now i have no engine noises

flying into italy for the first time, and the first time over the alps

[trim harbor]

known pmdg bug

that apparently still hasnt been fixed

[hollow oracle]

love it

i guess im landing with noise cancelling headphones on

ive never seen this before, FAC instead of LOC?

[trim harbor]

final approach course

r u flying a rnav approach maybe

FAC / GP are used for non precision approaches LOC/GS for precision approaches

[hollow oracle]

im on an ILS approach, i dont know why its saying that

[trim harbor]

weird

[hollow oracle]

outside of the weird naming, its a pretty normal ILS approach so far

[rustic charm]

Do you have the correct ILS tuned

[trim harbor]

FAC approaches use the same symbology as ILS approaches

[hollow oracle]

yeah, im on the right runway, on the right glideslope

[rustic charm]

The first and only time I had FAC is when I forgot to set the correct ILS frequency into Anchorage because I got too used to planes doing it automatically lol

[trim harbor]

my flight was supposed to be 3.10 hours

wind was so good im at 2.20 hours

lol

[hollow oracle]

i checked when setting up my approach stuff, correct frequency and course

whatever, landing was good, and not a ryanair navy landing either

[hollow oracle]

i want to make an aer dingus livery

aer dingus will be my easyjem

[rustic charm]

Flying a heavy MD-11 is always fun

[dusky leaf]

Is there a decent AN2 for msfs? sadly the xp one is long gone

[runic hare]

Way bigger than an 208 lol

AN2’s are way bigger in person than you think

[rustic charm]

Fair, I've not seen one in person

At least I don't think I have

[dusty sky]

Does just flight do winter sales?

[rustic charm]

I think they do

No guarantees regaring what will and what won't be on sale though

[rustic charm]

Just landed in Shanghai

[hollow oracle]

https://x.com/airwaysmagazine/status/1978471707108143243?s=46

Airways Magazine (@airwaysmagazine)

🔴 #BREAKING | American Airlines will debut a special Flagship livery on Boeing 777-300 N735AT in November, blending its classic orange lightning bolt and Silver Eagle colors with modern design, celebrating its upcoming centennial. #Airways #News

X · Oct 15, 2025, 2:43 PM

Holy based

[trim harbor]

it looks

mid at best

ibr

[hollow oracle]

we're going to have to beat you to death with hammers, sorry!

[rustic charm]

Honestly I don't think it suits a triple

[trim harbor]

it doesnt

it looks shit on the t7\

the current one on the 737 looks good

[rustic charm]

You mean the astrojet 737?

[trim harbor]

ye

[rustic charm]

It's slightly different tbf

But I agree it would've been better on a 737

Tbh if they want to paint a triple into a special livery, I'd suggest choosing something widebodies wore

Imagine a triple in the previous AAL colours

Bare metal is lovely

And it suits widebodies too

Triples wore it, MD-11s wore it, even 747s wore it

Alternatively could paint a triple into a US Airways livery. They didn't wear that one afaik but I think it'd look decent too

[hollow oracle]

i cant believe everybody but me has a dent in their brain

[trail monolith]

Bet

[hollow oracle]

i feel like im going insane

in FSX, its not possible to take an AI aircraft, and have it fly a route between waypoints

why

[reef isle]

I actually agree

Lack of brushed metal makes it look weird

it's not ugly, it's sort of "cursed"

it's 95% like the old one, but it's just a bit off, enough to make me feel a bit uncorfotable

but I really love the idea and I love that the thing will exist

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Convair_CV-990-30A-6%2C_American_Airlines_JP6880011.jpg

I personally wish they would have gone for this variation instead of the even older one (I think that designed is based off of the DC-3, Connie and DC-4)

but that's beyond nitpicking

[hollow oracle]

Great, I have to reinstall FSX

[hollow oracle]

that was a bad idea

now i have to set up the entire simulator again

[reef isle]

back to XP11 today 😄

[rustic charm]

Can anyone explain pls what does RNP (AR) mean

For example RNP 20L (AR)

What does AR stand for

[reef isle]

Uh

I think it's altitude reporting, but let me check real quick

Oh good thing I checked

I have no idea where that came from, but it's actually Authorization Required

https://safetyfirst.airbus.com/app/themes/mh_newsdesk/documents/archives/performance-based-navigation-rnp-and-rnp-ar-approaches.pdf

[rustic charm]

Thanks a lot

Was curious because looks like something I can't do

[reef isle]

Ah yeah on that very same document it says that by default all Airbus planes can do RNP, but not RNP-AR

[rustic charm]

Fair then

It's fine, will just do a regular RNP then

[rustic charm]

From what I can see on the charts basically I'll just have to go manual a bit earlier, before the final turn

[reef isle]

Yeah you'll do that segment visually

While with the AR you could do that in NAV

[rustic charm]

Yeah

Was planning to do it visually anyway, the weather in Rio de Janeiro seems nice

Also I wonder if Drukair's 319s have RNP AR capability, cause while I did fly manually anyway, the flight director in NAV mode was showing the path correctly almost right up to the runway in Paro

The only thing that stopped me from landing in Paro at night was the fact that there were no runway lights. Probably realistic too, that airport has no night operations at all, why would they add runway lights XD

[rustic charm]

Welp, time to descend

Did the arrival calculations for SBRJ

That is

SCARY

1320m available?

This time I'm genuinely scared

[rustic charm]

This is a terrifying airport

Honestly

Could flightsim dispatch have the wrong airport for a flight

Or the wrong aircraft

Cause I refuse to believe Iberia flew DC-10s into there

Maybe only if the airport used to be larger

[reef isle]

You sure it didn't go to SBGL?

[rustic charm]

The app says SBRJ

These were the routes

From 1977

[reef isle]

Hmmmm

Could be wrong yeah

I'll try to see if I can find something

[rustic charm]

I can believe them going to SBSP, but SBRJ is just too much of a stretch

[reef isle]

Yeah pretty sure it's wrong @rustic charm

[rustic charm]

Does make sense

[hollow oracle]

FSX is going to be the death of me

i spent the entire night last night and the entire day today trying to get FSX set up again, but i couldnt because fsrecorder was broken

how did i fix it? i literally just went into the files and ran every EXE in there

somehow, running every exe in the FSX folder managed to register FSX:SE as boxed FSX, and then it installed FSRecorder

i was really considering just going in deep debt and buying FS2024 and the microprose B-17, because thats honestly the only thing keeping me in FSX

[trim harbor]

@reef isle i forgot, has anyone started a comet or was it the carvelle?

For xp

[reef isle]

Both are in development, the Caravelle Is the only one you can fly now

[rustic charm]

Caravelle and comet, can we have in MSFS please please...

Preferably not from aeroplane heaven

[runic hare]

Comet?

That’s been dead for like 5 years now

[reef isle]

No the guy is still going

Apparently

[trim harbor]

my hopes for a comet die more and more

[rustic charm]

ZSPD - UNNT now

[trim harbor]

@reef isle do u have any experience using old fsx stuff

e.g?

i expect JF to be good

[reef isle]

Their L-1011 is quite mediocre to be honest

A friend of mine that bought it ages ago gave it to me (no idea how)

and yeah, it's not good

[trim harbor]

are there any good 'classic' airliners for fsx

CS' L1011 supposedly is good

[reef isle]

https://www.mariosplanes.com/index.php/it/fs-x-free-it/32-mercure-fsx-it

[trim harbor]

og a220

[reef isle]

It's by far my most used FSX plane

I love it

Also the Freeware Trident is decent

[trim harbor]

classic airliners seriously are underrepresented

[dusty sky]

at what altitude does one put the altimeter to standard

[trim harbor]

transition flight level

look it up on the depature charts or the corresponding ARTCC

[reef isle]

[dusty sky]

what if atc tells me direct to a waypoint 200 nm away

after takeoff

[trim harbor]

what

[reef isle]

Altitude -> Flight Level (climbing) = Transition Altitude
Flight Level - > Altitude (descending) = Transition Level

[trim harbor]

have u tried the

IL62m

the vc looks decent

[dusty sky]

you heard me

[reef isle]

yeah and it was disappointing

[trim harbor]

regardless you'd follow the countries transition altitude

[reef isle]

so as far as I've seen there are 2 IL-62s, one that has good VC but fairly shallow systems and one that has good system but only 2d panels

[dusty sky]

that's fair

[trim harbor]

its a never ending fiasco

[dusty sky]

god damn only 4000 feet in romania?

[reef isle]

The IL-86 is also the same, there is one that has a good VC but it only has modelled the "piloting" stuff

so all the navigation, flying, etc... is decent

[trim harbor]

at this point i might just fly the dc6 again

[reef isle]

but everything that the flight engineer would do (electric/hydraulic/air system managment) is missing or extremely simplified

The Tu-144D is probably the best one @trim harbor

but it's very hard to learn and get used to 😬

[trim harbor]

isnt that the concorde

soviet concorde

[reef isle]

and of course, very niche

yeah

[trim harbor]

the tu154 development is also taking a turn it seems

someone is making a dh4 for msfs

my hopes arent gone

and it looks great

[dusty sky]

I think for once I'm actually off the ground on time

[reef isle]

also @trim harbor the Transition altitude/level thing was just poking fun, it's a bit of an inside joke to point out when people get it wrong, and making it seems like a huge deal, it's just making fun of the... you know what kind of people

[trim harbor]

oh

smh

i actually didnt know

im a rookie pylote : (

[dusty sky]

I know what transition level is just I didn't know when the altimeter is put in standard

[reef isle]

fair enough, just wanted to spell it out since you know, it's an inside joke from another place that I just brought here

[trim harbor]

lmao

do not worry

i did not take it in a bad way

[reef isle]

so don't think that I really get upset if you use the wrong term (especially in a case like that where it's really inconsequential)

[dusty sky]

I like how you can set the slats to 15 with no flaps on the A310

[rustic charm]

MSFS publisher
Released multiple high quality aircraft
Willing to work with someone else, not just their team
Willing to publish a niche (Even though the 154 is by far the most useful Soviet airliner, it's still old and Soviet, that's still niche) plane
Could the 154 be released with JF

Cause tbh JF are the only ones who I think could agree to do that

[trim harbor]

I think JF too

[rustic charm]

JF did publish Soviet planes for older sims too didn't they

Maybe even developed, idk

And they seem to be rather open to publishing other devs' stuff

I actually think it's really good that it's going to be released by an already established dev and will be payware

It might just prove commercial viability of making Soviet/older planes

And with the majority of the modern scene already taken apart, that might just mean someone will do more Soviet afterwards

[reef isle]

regarding this, I just realised that I have to divide the calculations for great circle distanze by 10.9 because Kebin's diameter is about 10.9 times smaller than Earth's

if I want to send that to Laythe I need to remember to adjust that

(I will 100% forget)

[trim harbor]

Get RSS

For accurate sizes plus names

Ksp1 is great

[reef isle]

I quite like the Kerbol system, it has its charm

And it allows me to create cool looking spaceplanes that would never ever work with RSS

Maybe after this VTOL project is done (if that ever happens) I'll try the more realistic aerodynamics mod that I'm forgetting the name now, Ferram Aerospace

I was thinking of creating a Yak-141 / F-35B kinda thing with a swiveling main engine and an electric ducted fan in the nose

How much I'd give for a good Yak-141 in any flight simulator 😭

[rustic charm]

Landed in Novosibirsk

Honestly

The MD-11 is such a good plane

Not talking about TFDi specifically, although imo it's amazing too

But the MD-11 overall

[hollow oracle]

this took more effort than i am willing to admit

famously immortalized in a song by sabaton

https://youtu.be/dslO-3GgenY?si=qE_vgHF-XKckJHhS

[dusty sky]

my screenshots are shit

[rustic charm]

Time to go to the Pacific

And eventually run from Guam to Honolulu, East Asia, etc

[reef isle]

Actually flown in central america, did a proper teardrop VOR approach into MGGT during the even (the controller was super cool for accommodating me)

Unfortunately the approach and landing were a bit rubbish because I had terrible FPS, so I just ended in a very low frequency PIO and couldn't really keep a steady descent rate

but it is what it is

I don't get why in Xplane11 in VR sometimes just works flawlessly (always >30/40 FPS) but other times it struggles to get above 10/15, I guess I got unlucky tonight

also Xpilot putting the disconnect alert about 15 cm in front of your face, taking up pretty much your entire lateral FoV, perfectly at your eye level is beyond annoying when you're trying to do a non precision approach in challenging conditions (both weather/high altitude airport AND low FPS)

but the landing was survivable, in the LZ and I didn't overrun, so great success

[hollow oracle]

mcdonalds douglas

first time in ages that im flying with FSLTL traffic too

works well with the MD-80 because its not a laggy aircraft, but i cant imagine using it in the fenix or ifly

[hollow oracle]

i see its a bright and sunny day in seattle

somehow KSEA is reporting VFR conditions though

dont look too close at my configuration, i definitely did not just realize i was flying at 10k when i should have been at 6000

[hollow oracle]

not a bad landing

[runic hare]

@reef isle do you have the caravelle perchance?

debating getting it

[reef isle]

No, don't have XP12

I very nearly bought it when it was on sale

But it's just a small one time payment to the guy's Patreon

[runic hare]

ahhh

yeah i wanna fly some retrojets again

[dusty sky]

how do I close the meal table

[rustic charm]

Almost at Honolulu

[trim harbor]

guys

is it worth it for an atr 💀

[hollow oracle]

i think i might attempt an RNAV approach

is it basically just all done by hand? like, you set the autopilot to follow the LNAV all the way until the last waypoint, and then from there you adjust course

and then with VNAV you just manually figure out your descent rate for your approach speed?

[reef isle]

What plane are you planning to use?

[hollow oracle]

MD-80, i was planning on flying into san diego

[reef isle]

Yeah I think LNAV+VNAV would be the way in the MD-80, you can follow VNAV until the final approach point IIRC

Or, you can do it using the appropriate vertical speed for your ground speed from the initial approach fix

Just realised I didn't mean IAF/FAF, you know what I mean

[hollow oracle]

im more confused with just the glide path than the LNAV part, is it literally just setting it manually or is there more to it?

[reef isle]

There is no glide path.

If you do it with VNAV it's literally like the calculated descent for any other waypoint, you'll get the very same indications you'd get Enroute, same for LNAV

In the A320 and 737NG you'd get additional symbology, the A350 does some dark magic to make it more ILS-y

[hollow oracle]

really? i always assumed that it was a lot more manual than that

[reef isle]

Well, if you want to make it manual you can just do vertical speed, look at your ground speed and then select the closest V/S (according to the diagram on the chart)

Like you would do for a VOR/DME approach

[hollow oracle]

that's what i had assumed you would have to do with RNAV too

ill give it a shot

[reef isle]

Yeah sure, just be careful because you won't get any vertical deviation shown on the PFD, it will still only be only in the navigation display IIRC

But I haven't done an RNAV approach in the MD80 in ages so I might be misremembering something

[hollow oracle]

thankfully it should be a pretty quick flight, so if i screw it up its not a big loss

[hollow oracle]

[hollow oracle]

im so sad that the A321 + 2ACTs + sharklets doesnt have the same range as the A321neo

i want to do the KBOS-LFPG flight that jetblue does in A321s, but the fenix doesnt have the fuel range

and the only option for an a321neo in 2020 is the LVFR one

which was bearble when the horizon mod worked, but now the horizon mod is broken, and its just not worth even having it take up space on my hard drive

[rustic charm]

Tbf, while an 11-hour layover is extreme, an ATR is very fun to be on

But I guess what also added to my experience is that I was on an ATR in Africa, it was HTZA to HTAR, maybe that made the plane more fun

[rustic charm]

Novosibirsk to Tokyo this time

This one's my most-flown MD-11 I think

Actually the Thai one beats it by hours (will change after this flight)

But in terms of flights, it's already the most-flown

Also ngl I like how I'm all over the place with it

Visited UUEE (based there obviously), EFHK, ZSPD, UNNT and soon RJAA, from where I'll go to RKSI and only then make the return to UUEE lol

Btw I saw M'M released Frankfurt Hahn, and these did fly there a fair bit, so the question is, are M'M airports worth it?

[trim harbor]

it's a 15 hour flight beforehand

and then a 12 hour layover

[rustic charm]

Oh no

Don't do that

Sanity is more important

[reef isle]

It'd be worth it to avoid an ATR

[rustic charm]

Hey, ATRs are fun

My previous laptop's screen started moving slightly side to side after a flight on an ATR

(I still have the laptop and it's working fine, basically my secondary one now, but it's fun how it now isn't totally fixed lol)

[rustic charm]

Just a bit left til Tokyo

And from there to Seoul

Seoul scares me

[runic hare]

thats fine tf

go vienna

lovely city

train is like 5eur return

[rustic charm]

Tbf Vienna is indeed really nice from what I remember

Wish I could go there again

Overall to Europe tbf

So many places I'd like to visit

[rustic charm]

That was janky in crosswind but I landed

[trim harbor]

hell no

i decided against it

lufthansa and ana have a whopping 1500EUR difference in price for the same flights

i dont understand airlines

[rustic charm]

Oh it's not the worst thing even

When I was looking to book Bali - Dubai via Doha, the Bali - Doha leg stayed absolutely the same, same flight and all, but the price for the same class pretty much doubled when I was looking to connect to DXB compared to what it was while connecting to SHJ

Same airline, same flight, same class, but ticket prices differ depending on where you want to go on the next flight