Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[reef isle]

Boom commented on one of their YT videos that they made the Overture in the commercial version of Xplane and that they might have been looking to convert it to the consumer version 🫤

So sad that they decided to bring it to, not only MSFS, but 2024 even

The worst of the worst

[hollow oracle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

its a popular simulator

[reef isle]

Yeah I get the marketing side, it makes sense unfortunately

I'm still sad about it

[trim harbor]

i love her so much

flying over africa is great

[hollow oracle]

africa is the only continent i havent flown over yet

mostly because its fucking massive, and theres not many notable intermediate airports

[trim harbor]

im trying to bring my 777 home thats been stuck there

for a year

[trim harbor]

theres alot of airports

its fun because 90% of them arent modern

africa was the first place i ever had to fly a VOR approach in a 777

[hollow oracle]

i was going to say, there's a lot of airports, but most of them are just a concrete strip

[trim harbor]

concrete strip with a 4x4 minecraft house next to it

yup

[hollow oracle]

id like to do some more bush flights, but flying GA is a lot harder than flying airliners

[trim harbor]

hold on

i got just the video for you

https://youtu.be/epYiIMl4W4U

[trail monolith]

Hopefully career mode will be fixed by december

[trim harbor]

gigachad piloting

[hollow oracle]

https://flightsim.to/file/98046/ryanair-pack-w-3d-full-economy-cabin-ifly-737-max-8

hell yeah

dont even need to wait for the ifly -200 version

@runic hare does it remind you of work

[runic hare]

Yes

However

This is not a Ryanair config

No row 1BC, 2A extra legroom and a bulkhead at the front row

Also the back galley

4 oven positions available, we use 2 in slots 3&4 where slots 1&2 are used for 4 O2 bottles (1 120L on emergency, 1 120L on therapeutic, 1 311L on emergency and 1 311L on therapeutic)

Oh wait this is a Max?

Then ignore me the back galley is completely wrong

The Left side is two toilets, one oven and one water boiler on the right

[runic hare]

Not every day you get to see a 757 up close

[trim harbor]

ill miss the pencils

[rustic charm]

757s are gorgeous

[rustic charm]

We NEED An-12s and An-24s

Would be able to fly in 2 literally opposite environments - snowy dirt strips in the north of Russia and sandy dirt strips in the middle of Africa

Ngl I should fly in Africa more, the 727 has a lot of opportunities

[trim harbor]

as it turns out its not su4 compat

man

[rustic charm]

Do we have many African sceneries overall

[trim harbor]

standard？

[rustic charm]

Just any

[trim harbor]

ye alot

obv for the big airpots only tho

[rustic charm]

Gonna be digging through fs.to for a bit I guess

[rustic charm]

Tbf I've also seen tiny strips on fs.to, although mainly those that are in wildlife reserves

[trim harbor]

tiny strip with a 727 lets go

[rustic charm]

(You can literally do safari in a C408 irl there)

[rustic charm]

Don't underestimate the 27!

It can land anywhere lol

[trim harbor]

yea idk what i expected

no atis either

funny

[trim harbor]

YS-11 announced @reef isle

[reef isle]

HUH?

who?

[trim harbor]

they just showed the trailer for it on xbox game show

idk whos making it

[reef isle]

FUUUUUUUUCK

[trim harbor]

it's in collab with asobo/microsoft though

[reef isle]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I was beginning to believe

you can't do this to me

[reef isle]

it'll be another shit plane just like the Saab 340

[reef isle]

noooooooooooooooooooo 😭

[reef isle]

That's god awful

Genuinely worse than the free F-27

My disappointment is immesurable, and my day is ruined.

they should just stop making planes

all they're doing is making it harder for people that actually know how to make planes

that's us not getting another YS-11 ever

great, thanks, I hate it

At least Fenix is doing the ATP 🙏

[trim harbor]

wait

hold up

is that confirmed?

[reef isle]

it's as confirmed as it can be without being officially confirmed

they've hinted at it multiple times

[trim harbor]

hell yes brother

thats cool af

[reef isle]

indeed 😄

[rustic charm]

Who’s ATP

[rustic charm]

That looks neat

[reef isle]

British Aerospace Advanced Turboprop

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace_ATP

[reef isle]

Looks like it's already out

I'll keep myself one last drop of hope

[rustic charm]

Super27 just released

Literally a couple minutes ago

[trim harbor]

what

the ys?

[dusty sky]

That is the straightest flight plan I've ever seen lmao

[reef isle]

yep

[trim harbor]

https://www.flightsimulator.com/local-legend-22/

yup

so its an asobo aircraft

[reef isle]

looks like it's ini @trim harbor

[rustic charm]

Tbh if it's ini it might even be decent

[reef isle]

hm... not sure about that 😬

[rustic charm]

Look, I didn't say good xD

[reef isle]

also, is it 2024 only?

[rustic charm]

Let me check

Ngl I kinda don't want to even try with anything released as local legend/famous flyer

The 707 was awful

Never again

[reef isle]

oh yeah

I won't buy it

I'd rather fly the F-27

[rustic charm]

They were also supposed to release the caravelle around a year ago too iirc

But

I don't mind that they didn't

[trim harbor]

most sad moment ever

[reef isle]

next time Xplane 12 is on sale I'll buy it and I'll try the alpha version of the Xplane one

[rustic charm]

AGREE

[trim harbor]

i wished for a good 707 :((

[rustic charm]

Well

There still might be one

Well there is gonna be a 707, we just don't yet know if a good one

[rustic charm]

Nope

Available on 2020 too

Along with the world update Japan

[trim harbor]

Theres one comingnfor xp

[rustic charm]

There's one coming for MSFS too

Although iirc 24-only

[trim harbor]

Oh huh

Whos deving it

[rustic charm]

Aerial simulations

Slowly but steadily

[trim harbor]

@rustic charm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SaIfFog04g

[rustic charm]

Oooooh

[dusty sky]

I have vatsim questions

More specifically about the flight plan

[rustic charm]

And they have the vip version too

[trim harbor]

whatsup

[dusty sky]

So what do I put in these

Is fuel endurance just block time?

[trim harbor]

fuel endurance is how much fuel u have with in hours

simbrief gives u that

did u prefile via simbrief? @dusty sky

[dusty sky]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocker-shocked-black-guy-gif-27526370

Oh my god

Ok I'm gonna do that from now on

[trim harbor]

brother

LOL

[dusty sky]

This is news to me ok

I've had this account for like 10 months but I haven't done 1 flight

[trim harbor]

well

atleast u know

now

it'll save u lots of time

[rustic charm]

Me taking off when it's time to leave France

And yes I did forget the lights

But in my defence, considering all the ATCs are on strike, therefore I never had takeoff clearance to begin with, it's not the worst thing I did

[trim harbor]

really STEEP climb

goddamn

[rustic charm]

As I said, a France departure xD

[trim harbor]

some large images

[rustic charm]

(Just joking, I really just sometimes decide to sent it lol)

[rustic charm]

Pretty

[trim harbor]

i forgot to turn the light soff

corrected

idk how i forgot this LOL

[rustic charm]

I once forgot to raise the gear and only realised at like 20k when the DC-9 just gave up climbing

And the whole time I was like "What's wrong with it, it should perform better"

Technically on a goaround

But I didn't manage to descend enough to even require any goaround thrust application

I just levelled off at 3000 literally above the runway

[trail monolith]

Could've just rammed the runway otherwise

[dusky leaf]

Its always time to leave france 😆

[rustic charm]

Second goaround, perfect...

[rustic charm]

Come on, this is an A320, it's meant to be treated nicely. If I were in a 727 I would've pushed it for sure

[rustic charm]

Attempt number 3 now

This time on ILS

Aaaaaaand the flight is done

Not in a good way

I was in for an autoland

And for some reason right above the threshold the AP disconnected and the plane went into a heavy left bank

That's not what ended the flight though

Cause I then threw it into a right bank a bit too much

And instead of striking the grass with the left wing, ended up striking the runway with the right

[rustic charm]

Time for another flight

[rustic charm]

And for some reason live weather wasn't set by default

[hollow oracle]

we really got a MSFS 2020 world update in the big 2025

[rustic charm]

As far as I know 2020 is where the majority still is

[rustic charm]

Descdenging into Helsinki now

[trim harbor]

what the hell

[rustic charm]

Down in Helsinki

[rustic charm]

Also wait actually what the hell

[reef isle]

@trim harbor apparently the YS-11 isn't that bad

Really happy to be wrong about it 😄

[trim harbor]

are you gonna get it ?

oh my god

never trust african atc jesus christ

[dusty sky]

can someone explain to me why I can't connect to vatsim

cuz

[reef isle]

not sure

I haven't really played flight sim in a while

and I feel like I already have too many planes I don't use enough

adding more more isn't going to help

Especially the Fokker F-27

I've bought the RJ recently (got lured by a sale) and the Starship and I pretty much haven't flown them 🙃

I would also really like to get back into the soviet planes and learn more about them

[rustic charm]

That is too close

[rustic charm]

I bought the F28 and the BAe 146 on a sale either in April or May 2024, over a year ago, not a single recorded flight on either of them yet

[trim harbor]

whatsup

TX transit , RX recieve

they'll light up

when either happens

[dusty sky]

I got it to work

[dusty sky]

how do I set standard altimeter?

[dusty sky]

what the hell is this may I ask

[trim harbor]

MANUAL THRUST

LEVER CLIMB

[trim harbor]

man before u fly on vastim u should know this

seriously

people will get pissed off when you dont know what you're doing

in worst case it'll end in a suspension

[dusty sky]

well

I figured it out

so I'm good

[trim harbor]

yea but theres more

i hope u know your aircraft man

[dusty sky]

oh no

[dusty sky]

town

[trim harbor]

foggy morning\

[dusty sky]

nice Bugatti bro

[trim harbor]

ayo

[dusty sky]

atc went offline the second I went into the airspace

which is actually crazy

[trim harbor]

i actually forgot that radar in africa is more advisory than helpful

pilots monitor their positions on a different frequency

[echo gorge]

https://youtu.be/Qxhc_yDzLCc?si=qe0rP3O-ibF7f0mC feel bad for ugra

This looks lovely but I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't sell well

[trim harbor]

delievering cargo worldwide tm

even to the most remote sand houses out there

[agile oak]

77777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777

[rustic charm]

Didn't know Africa had something like that ngl

[trim harbor]

here

lemme find you a video that explains it

https://youtu.be/w_X-ixGw6vU?t=30

30 secs to 1:20min

[rustic charm]

Thanks, will give it a watch

[trim harbor]

almost in south africa

[hollow oracle]

id love to play this, if it wasnt in DCS

im also not into fighters all that much

give me a C-47 to drop paratroopers over france through flak and that might be enough to win me over to download DCS again

[trim harbor]

thats rare

bro

[rustic charm]

What

Since when does BATC judge you

[trim harbor]

idk : (

[hollow oracle]

that's been there for ages, i think if you don't follow taxi instructions it tells you that

[trim harbor]

nah i requested depature by accident

[rustic charm]

Okay I am launching BATC now

How have I never seen something like that

[trim harbor]

the funny thing is

[rustic charm]

Oh wait I don't have it installed after reformatting the ssd...

[trim harbor]

it was the ai which sounds like hes in a civil war, deep black male voice

screaming at 200%

i died

[rustic charm]

Also I don't think I've flown the A320 with ATC yet, so it's gonna be a nice thing to try

I'm pretty sure Fenix has some good integration too

[trail monolith]

Mr Worldwide

[trim harbor]

bruh

im having a pressure issue

thats not good

[rustic charm]

Flying with failures on too?

[trim harbor]

idk

[rustic charm]

I think I set my 772s to age at like 10x lol

[trim harbor]

its dropping again

bruh

[rustic charm]

Just so I can see some service-based failures occasionally

[trim harbor]

theres no suitable airport to diver to

[rustic charm]

Uhh

As I like to say, that’s not quite beneficial

[trim harbor]

we good again

weird

[rustic charm]

Yeah, ngl, weird behaviour

If it were a failure, wouldn’t have returned to normal

[hollow oracle]

[trim harbor]

thres just legit nothing there wtf lol

ill take it

[hollow oracle]

i just wanted to fly the FSS 727

i forgot that GSX is still broken

if you do the auto checklist stuff, the flight engineer will try to set up GSX pushback automatically

but that is extremely broken

im at a pull-through freight gate that doesnt need pushabck

nevermind, i forgot that it's an option in the settings now, i forgot to turn GSX auto mode off

the only issue is that my engines are on, and GSX stops working when engines are on, so im stuck with a pushback tug attatched to my nose

[hollow oracle]

now the tiller isnt working

im starting to remember why FSS gets its reputation

[hollow oracle]

i like flying with no autothrottle and VOR/INS navigation, but the 727 is annoying enough to where im happy flying with autothrottle and the XLS

[hollow oracle]

i love flying small aircraft

you can be so inaccurate with your landing distance and centerline distance and its still 100% fine

its not pretty, but its far from unsafe

like obviously if you're flying a 747/A380/A350, you want to put it down early and right on the centerline, but in a 727? just put it down wherever, youll stop

[trim harbor]

great conditions...

[rustic charm]

Try flying into Tempelhof with that mindset

[trim harbor]

tempelhof my love

[full plank]

Tegel massive

[rustic charm]

It's fun ngl

Most of the ASA milk run runways are longer

[trail monolith]

if anyone owns the YS11

[dusty sky]

Wait, why is the YS11 also in the 2020 store?

[untold finch]

It sold pretty well when it came out no? I bought it, it's a good upgrade on the original Normandy map

Ugra just keep adding stuff to their maps for years, they're the best terrain team in DCS imo

[echo gorge]

Oh did it? Hadn't realized it had come out yet

[trim harbor]

tempting purchase

but i think i rather stick with my dc6

[untold finch]

yeah, I wanna say it was a 2023 release off the top of my head - shortly before the Strike Eagle dropped

[agile oak]

my beloved

[hollow oracle]

its kind of depressing trying to find flights for the 727 freighter

most of the liveries and stuff available are for the pax version, or the fake freighter to pax conversion

[trim harbor]

just fly random flights

youre doing freighter

freighters consist of 50% chartered flights

[hollow oracle]

So true

That requires research though, why would you research when you can just plug in the aircraft and get an instant list of flights

[trim harbor]

msfs2024 running worse than 2020 is just peak microsoft

this pop up is so damn annoying

it makes a sound, you cant disable it, it pops up every stutter

[rustic charm]

Uhh

I don't even know

Ah well, worked on another frequency

Why didn't it work here though

[rustic charm]

Landed in Helsinki

[trail monolith]

Last i checked Russian aircraft aren't allowed in Finland so you may end up getting arrested very very soon

[rustic charm]

I found a workaround in the form of a time machine

[simple radish]

rly? i get so much better performance

[trim harbor]

yuh, i run ultra on msfs2020 with atleast 35-40fps, i can run most planes on high (pmdg, ifly, default) in 24, fenix is already struggling and the a350 doesnt even wanna wokr on medium

i was not running SU3 beta at that time though

[simple radish]

ohh what the hell that s so weird

[hollow oracle]

i tried flying a helicopter for the first time in a while

i still suck at it

my brain doesnt work fast enough to do stable flight in a heli

[trim harbor]

https://fselite.net/content/flightsim-studio-super27-expansion-released/ @reef isle

[hollow oracle]

comanche time

i've learned how to properly use the rpm control too, so im all set to fly the comanche

i've learned how to use the GNS 430 too, not pure VOR flying, but it is pretty close

it's definitely become my favorite GA aircraft, the A2A accusim C-172 in FSX is extremely fun too, but flying VFR in FSX is not very fun

[hollow oracle]

i still cant land it

both times ive stalled out just above the runway and bounced high

theres literally no way to land it softly, you get right above the runway and float, and you cant do anything to put it on the ground except either stall it or nose down

literally every single video i see of the A2A comanche is a horrible landing like mine, either they land deep and almost overrun, or lands extremely hard

i am extremely fucking angry right now, but i will say nothing ther than i did not enjoy that flight, and i have realized that i do not enjoy flying the comanche as much after landing it

i really need to stop doing flights right before bed, because if they go wrong, i just get pissed off and i cant sleep

[hollow oracle]

i can always rely on the MD-80 to make me feel better

[rustic charm]

Back to Moscow

[rustic charm]

Absolutely missed my TD

[rustic charm]

Love this bird. Flaps 35 approach would literally exceed the maximum permitted speed in Sheremetyevo, I have to go flaps full lol

[trim harbor]

@rustic charm @echo gorge @echo gorge https://fselite.net/content/nimbus-simulations-teases-707-cockpit-progress-for-x-plane-12/

yooooooooo

[rustic charm]

Why can't that be MSFS 😭

[dusty sky]

uh

how do I set up simbrief on the horizon sim 787-9?

[runic hare]

About fucking time

They said this was coming out for XP11 😂😂😂

[dusty sky]

lmao

I took off with atc for the first time so that's cool

also what the hell is the vnav doing

[trail monolith]

Context is people asking for KC-10 release

If it's out yet and or being worked on

[dusty sky]

it looks complete to me tbh

unless they haven't made the CIVA yet

ok they seem to have done that

I'm just gonna assume they have things to iron out

[dusty sky]

what I have put in vs my actual altitude

[runic hare]

Your on FLC not vnav

[dusty sky]

vnav is about as useful as a frog in cutting wood

bro what the hell I was on altitude hold and the plane was just putting the nose up

like actually what

[hollow oracle]

another thing ive learned, especially with airlines that used to have 727s, is that you can use their modern flight routes and just fly the older plane

it really doesnt matter, but it does mean that its a realistic pair of airports

especially for airlines that actually do fly scheduled flights, like the DHL airlines

[hollow oracle]

the world if i actually finished every flight i generated and started:

[dusky leaf]

https://fselite.net/content/nimbus-simulations-teases-707-cockpit-progress-for-x-plane-12/

[trail monolith]

Psssst #1165354616993632397 message

[dusky leaf]

Better late than never 😆

[rustic charm]

Me when forgot trim

My roughly 8193169th flight out of Renton so it's fine anyway

[hollow oracle]

is that a freighter skin or the real pax version?

[rustic charm]

Real pax

[hollow oracle]

damn, i really need to get it eventually

i only have the freighter version

[rustic charm]

I'm now debating super 27

[hollow oracle]

im not interested in the super 27 tbh, the whole appeal of flying the 727 is a steam gauge cockpit

[rustic charm]

You can still have cooler engines with clamshell reversers while flying gauges

I really ain't interested in screens either, I have the 738 for that

Plus I think super 27 adds TCAS as just an internal system, you don't have to use screens for it (although obviously without screens TCAS will just shout warnings and you'll have no idea where traffic actually is)

And for anything semi-modern, TCAS is necessary

[rustic charm]

Anybody knows which airports Thai used as stopovers for their flights to the US?

Some of course went direct in 747s, but I've seen pictures of MD-11s at LAX and SEA

And there are those pictures of MD-11s in LAX and SEA, but not a single one showing Honolulu or Anchorage

And a loaded 11 can't quite make it from Los Angeles to Bangkok

[reef isle]

Ugh

I can see if I find something

[reef isle]

Wait

Do you mean ferry flights or normal scheduled flights?

[rustic charm]

So I've got told it'd be Osaka

[rustic charm]

Well normal flights, they most likely would use the same stop on deliveries

[reef isle]

Any particular era/plane?

[rustic charm]

MD-11

They got them around 1990-1991 iirc

[reef isle]

First quick check on FlightsimDispatch doesn't show any flights to the US

[rustic charm]

Yeah, I've tried that, no data there

[reef isle]

there you go 😄

look at the captions for both

[rustic charm]

Thanks, that's amazing

[reef isle]

Airliners.net is great 😄

[rustic charm]

Wait what even is SEL

I can assume that stands for Seoul

And from that I can assume it's a predeccessor to Incheon

So I see it used to be the code for Seoul Gimpo until that got changed to GMP and SEL became just a code for any airport in Seoul

[simple radish]

im the best

[rustic charm]

Still flying

12:08 in the air according to the plane

Past Japan, soon going to be in Seoul

Not even counting this flight, I have over 80 hours on the MD-11 even though I bought it a month ago lol

Meanwhile different 777s I've had for over a year, and the total on 777s is 235 hours

And 135 of those are on a single reg lol

[runic hare]

Honestly cannot wait for the FF777F

Gonna be flying nothing but 777 freight routes for a few months

[runic hare]

Ex-PLAY TF-PLA at the 70 stands

[hollow oracle]

It’s only been ex-play for 24 hours

[trim harbor]

https://fselite.net/content/vatsim-cross-the-pond-eastbound-25-cancelled/

ctp cancelled was not something i had imagined but

it makes sense

with the amount of people and then the people who dont know how their plane works ontop it's understandable

[hollow oracle]

that's so fucking funny ngl

so many toddlers who dont know how to fly their aircraft

flight sim went too mainstream, and this is the issues it's causing

they should have a minimum flight hours requirement for big events like that

[reef isle]

It was a stupid event

The traffic flow and amount of traffic was too high and not at all realistic in any way shape or form.

It just made no sense in its current form

No matter how good the pilots were, it was, at best, a huge stress test on controllers and VATSIM infrastructure itself

They'd need to have a rethink about the whole event, it doesn't work the way it's done now, the last 1 or 2 have been terrible for everyone involved.

[runic hare]

Yeah it was a massive mess last few editions

I remember the last CTP I enjoyed was 2023 Eastbound

Flew CYYZ - UKBB

Had a great time because at least then everyone knew there aircraft and it was before the “MSFS 2020 NUMBER 1 VATSIM TUTORIAL FOR BEGINNERS”

[hollow oracle]

ive had this image saved for ages because ive wanted to make this a repaint for the FSS 727

[rustic charm]

More MD-11-ing

[dusty sky]

My only problem is the decent

My plane doesn't decent

Unless I start hand flying

Now that I think about it I probably just didn't program that into the fmc

[trim harbor]

This

[trim harbor]

This

Or a seperate server all together for newbies

[full plank]

I think its partly fucking morons who don't know how to fly their aircraft & partly fucking morons who don't get a slot they won't but choose to fly the same route anyway

[reef isle]

Who's going to control there?

[full plank]

I've participated in pretty much all CTPs since like 21 eastbound & every year its just gotten worse with 5 people trying to fly the exact same route as the 3000 other pilots & then get mad that they get put in the back of the queue

& i'll be genuine, I don't think theres any interest from Vatsim themselves to make any effort in improving pilot quality

& especially not making them go through the same amount of training that ATC have to

[hollow oracle]

https://youtu.be/-PcQC2NbDi8?si=VtZkjLlYSP0USwj5

[trim harbor]

diffucult

but i see it as the only option

or well

for ctp maybe at the VERY least a seperate server

[rustic charm]

Which Don Mueang is more recommended, Dominic Design Team or Siamflight?

(Unfortunately haven't found any freeware for it)

[hollow oracle]

apparently its going to be 2024-only through early access, after full release theyre going to work on porting it

[hollow oracle]

im having a fun time trying to fly the xcrafts e-jets again

for some reason LNAV will not engage no matter what

the last time i tried to fly the E190 is when one of the main landing gear collapsed on landing and i got so mad i had to shut off my PC for the day

oh, its because i was on V/L nav mode and not FMS

[trim harbor]

still no vnav

[hollow oracle]

xcrafts is xplane

and that one has working VNAV

[trim harbor]

oops

i misread that

i thought you were trying the fss one

the xcrafts one is very decent

if its v2 atleast

[hollow oracle]

the FSS one is horrible, it genuinely shouldnt even be "early access", its just not a complete flyable aircraft

the x-crafts one is very good, definitely the best embraer available

i have a feeling that my issue is with embraer and not xcrafts/FSS though

[hollow oracle]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2580632575

twotonemurphy did a preview stream for the B-17

[hollow oracle]

im behind on aviation lore, but i love the fucked up 747 bootleg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_Traders_Carvair

[echo gorge]

Yeah they're funny

[dusky leaf]

Are there any decent DC 4 models for msfs? none for xp that I know of

[hollow oracle]

oh thats gross, MSFS 2024 still isnt on sale

i was hoping it would have gone on sale for the autumn sale, and i could pick it up for the B-17

[trim harbor]

@echo gorge https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/s/3b7wK3u4DP

Good news

[echo gorge]

Oh that's great news

[mortal furnace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owaX1Kvd6RU

[rustic charm]

Looks like Boris is working on the 777

[hollow oracle]

And PMDG are shitting their pants over it

https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim/comments/1nvqdr4/boris_audio_works_announce_pmdg_boeing_777/

[full plank]

& having listened to the sounds in video, I am excited. The 737 soundpack basically revived that plane for me for like a month straight

[hollow oracle]

the BAW 737 soundpack is insane, it completely changes the entire plane

[trim harbor]

https://fselite.net/content/inibuilds-shares-more-a340-previews/

[rustic charm]

Honestly it looks great

I really hope they don't screw it up

By this time I gave up hope that they'll release it for 2020 too like they apparently did with the 350

So I guess I'll be buying 2024 soon enough

[rustic charm]

Potentially I bought this plane around a year and 4 months ago

And potentially this is my first flight in it

[hollow oracle]

airac update day

https://www.justflight.com/product/microprose-b17g-flying-fortress

$33 for early access, not too bad i guess

[trim harbor]

early access in planes ;(

[hollow oracle]

the thing with B-17s in flight sims is that you try anything because there is no other option

[rustic charm]

Forgot why I never flew this thing, ground steering is uncontrollable without any hardware XD

Guess I'll just have to wait a bit longer with it until I finally get something lol

[hollow oracle]

xbox controller all the way

small, cheap, versatile, works for a ton of games and not just flight sims

full hardware like joysticks and yokes are great for immersion and technique, but a controller just works for everything

[rustic charm]

Switched planes and locations, ready to go

Just gonna casually climb to 113000ft

[hollow oracle]

i might make my own custom patch for it, there are some pretty bad misspellings in the cockpit, and for some reason the breaker panel is like lighted

[rustic charm]

Kai Tak, here we go

[dusky leaf]

Anyone tried onair? looks quite interesting

[rustic charm]

After one goaround, I'm in Kai Tak

[hollow oracle]

Costs almost $1 more than Navigraph lol

[runic hare]

China?

11300 Meters no?

[rustic charm]

Yeah, within Chinese airspace, so it should just be metres

Just unusual to see for me

Since I don’t normally fly in the region

Think this was actually the first time I’ve seen metres planned for the flight

[runic hare]

When I was flying the IL76 across Europe on vatsim I remember getting all the controllers to clear me in metres

[rustic charm]

Where’s that from

[rustic charm]

Yeah, Soviet planes will make you do that lol

Russia now is in feet normally though

[full plank]

Inibuilds discord

[rustic charm]

Nice

I really hope they do a good tristar

Also, they haven't yet officially announced it have they?

[reef isle]

They have now

With that message

[rustic charm]

Well yeah

But no big announcement yet

[reef isle]

Not yet

[rustic charm]

Though tbf, ini from all the recent releases if I remember them right tends to make big announcements once the planes are closer to ready

Ngl, trying to understand schedules hurts my head

Found a 1993 Thai schedule

And I see a flight from Hong Kong to Zurich in the MD-11. Why not? Sounds fun

It's flying on Fridays, TG968

And it is scheduled to leave Hong Kong at 20:30 for Zurich

But flight 968 also leaves Bangkok at 23:59 for Copenhagen...

And obviously a stop in Bangkok is rather realistic, but why does it fly from Hong Kong to Bangkok with Zurich as its destination but then somehow switches to Copenhagen

[reef isle]

Can you send a screenshot?

[rustic charm]

Wait, I think I understand now

I missed the part where departures from Hong Kong to Copenhagen are listed

And it's there too

So it seemingly goes to Zurich via Copenhagen

(And yes, looking at timings, it arrives to Copenhagen earlier than in Zurich, idk why they would do it that way and not to Copenhagen through Zurich)

[runic hare]

That’s pretty normal for the era

[rustic charm]

Okay that flight is a lot more now that I look closer

[runic hare]

BA used to do LHR-BAH-HKG-SYD-MEL

On a 742

That was there premier Australia service

Qantas did SYD-HKG-ATH-FCO-LHR

[rustic charm]

Thai must've had several planes do that flight

Using some feeders

Cause this simply doesn't work

The math doesn't add up

23:15z departure from Kaohsiung and then 0:00z departure from Guam, there's just not any way one plane could do both

[runic hare]

What year was this?

[rustic charm]

The timetable is from 1993

[runic hare]

FSDP?

Because it might just be wrong half the time

[rustic charm]

Just found a timetable scan online

[rustic charm]

We going to Sydney

[reef isle]

Can you send it?

[rustic charm]

https://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/tg9303.htm

This one

Some interesting flights

[reef isle]

There are two different flights

There's 603 from Hong Kong to Bangkok with the A300-600 and then there's 962 from Bangkok to Zurich with the MD11

and yes it looks like 968 stops in CPH on the way to Zurich

weird that they don't mention that directly, looks like whoever used this timetable just added those using a pencil

the only thing that you could notice is that it takes about 2h longer than 964, which makes sense

[trim harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0Ev_4yQSdI

1 minute ago

[reef isle]

I haven't found any of thoes sorry 😅

[rustic charm]

I assume it’s also connections via Bangkok

[trim harbor]

thank you ini

finally a good efb

eis1 looks so good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtV-XcLks4M

just need these now

[reef isle]

Yes

[reef isle]

653 is "the same" flight every day, they're just telling you that depending on what day it is it arrives at a different time

[rustic charm]

Yeah, seems so

Gotta say it’s more understandable now

But I only got roughly 4 hours of sleep today after landing in Kai Tak at 3:30am lol

So comprehending literally anything is a challenge

[reef isle]

I get it...

[rustic charm]

(Call it job training… at least I’d love it to be, but idk if I’ll ever have a chance to actually get a license)

[dusty sky]

what the hell even is this man

I think the VNAV has got stupid

[dusky leaf]

https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/group/2025-paris-air-show/illustrated-news/the-store-dassault-aviation-new-simulation-section-to-explore/

[dusty sky]

my vnav is on some sort of substance man

why is it decending

and now it's climbing

I'm just gonna assume it's cuz the vnav page is fucked

[trim harbor]

?

[hollow oracle]

https://x.com/dexerto/status/1974084774303314260?s=46

Dexerto (@Dexerto)

A Ryanair flight had to be diverted after a passenger started eating their passport mid-flight

The flight from Milan to London was diverted to Paris due to the disruption, leading to two men being arrested

X · Oct 3, 2025, 12:11 PM

Most normal Ryanair flight

[dusty sky]

don't you see how far off the cross it is

[trim harbor]

You mean the flight director…?

[trim harbor]

Y

[dusty sky]

same thing

[hollow oracle]

went in and finally fixed some typos

why am i updating an addon that is over a decade old, visually outdated, and surpassed by better versions in better sims? because i hate typos

[dusty sky]

Do some antiviruses falsely detect the FBW installer as a virus?

[hollow oracle]

most likely

if you downloaded it from FBW themselves or flightsim.to, its 100% safe

[dusty sky]

I was telling a friend to get the A380 and he showed me that an antivirus is saying that it's a virus

Could just be simbridge who know

[trail monolith]

Which antivirus?

[hollow oracle]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/882140/view/530984728991368426

sort of a flight simulator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpRp_0BxNOk

[runic hare]

I know the guys working on this

[hollow oracle]

do they know if the passport tasted good at least?

[runic hare]

Nah fuckers trying to claim asylum

“Oh we are stateless give me asylum plz”

“No passport”

[hollow oracle]

the smartest way to claim asylum is by going insane and eating your passport on the plane obviously, that will always help your case

[runic hare]

Issue is they started eating about 200 miles early

[hollow oracle]

FIXING BUGS IS MY FAVORITE THING EVER!!!

i cant figure out why jetways dont spawn in KMDW no matter what scenery i use, no matter what i do, nothing works

[dusty sky]

Virustotal

[reef isle]

Yesterday I chatted with ini_001 about the TriStar, recap:

1. It's done by one of their "main" teams, the same that did the A300, so It will be a High fidelity plane, not a local legend level thing

2. It might release before the end of the year

3. DLC [Direct Lift Control] is planned

[reef isle]

Chat about the TriStar starts here

[trail monolith]

Wasn't Ini also making a A380?

[rustic charm]

Yep

The A380 is also in full swing according to ini_001

[trail monolith]

So they're planning to release 4 airliner planes this year?

Or well more if we talking bout small planes too

[rustic charm]

Nobody said A380 is this year though

[trail monolith]

Yeah i worded that wrongly

[rustic charm]

But that’s still 3 airliners

In one year

[trail monolith]

And them updating the FS24 planes which also means alot of planes getting worked on this year

[rustic charm]

And one of them is really different from the others in terms of everything

[reef isle]

I finally fixed my FS2024 walkaround/enter the plane thing

if anyone had a similar/same issue you can check how to solve it here
https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/walkaround-behaves-weirdly-and-cannot-take-control-of-the-aircraft/688061/17?u=fd1003

[trim harbor]

Is there a way to disable it yet

[reef isle]

Apparently yes

[trim harbor]

ayo??? finally???

[reef isle]

you have to edit an .xml file

[trail monolith]

I've forwarded it to the FS24 discussion chat too

[rustic charm]

Any A320 experts here, what's the acceptable engine vibration level with CFM56s

[trim harbor]

oh man

i mightve not seen that

[rustic charm]

Not quite flight sim, but aviation, and I need help, someone please explain why

I wanna go from Bali to Dubai on 5th January, and Emirates is expensive, so I decided to look for a connection via Doha

And here is me searching for Bali - Doha - Sharjah, Bali to Doha leg

A couple things to note: offers 3 economy options and business, doesn't show first at all

Now here is what happens if I search for Bali - Doha - Dubai International. The first leg, Bali - Doha, stays exactly the same

THAT IS THE EXACT SAME FLIGHT. It now only offers 2 economy options, doesn't show the cheapest one at all. Both of those that are present are more expensive than when looking to connect to Sharjah. And it also shows an option for first

Again, the parameters for that flight are the exact same

All that changes is whether after arriving to Doha I fly to DXB or SHJ

Can someone please explain what's going on there

Like I get not offering first to those who fly to Sharjah, yeah I'm flying to Sharjah so I'm poor. Or really it could be explained that if you want to fly first class on one leg, you'll want first class on the other too, and flights to Sharjah only have business (not even all)

But what's up with economy prices being different

Like, am I missing something or what

[trim harbor]

clean

[trail monolith]

https://youtu.be/wUDGGpyKad8?si=O_lxva47AMK6eif6

[hollow oracle]

today i learned that the A2A B-17 does not like replay tools (all 4 of my engines exploded and caught fire)

[rustic charm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AnBgMm7b_0

Me like

Seems like I’m gonna have to buy 2024 xD

[full plank]

Yea just hoping ini learnt from the 350 bs

[rustic charm]

Hopefully

Ngl that shot of the Kai Tak approach is really nice though

Hope we at some point get some better scenery for the approach

The airport itself with freeware enhancements is very nice

But the buildings on the approach aren’t

Actually about that, does anyone here have samscene3d’s hong kong? Does it improve that area or does it only really focus on the skyscraper part of the city?

[echo gorge]

There's some decent enough mods to restore a lot of the old skyline for Kai tak

https://flightsim.to/file/51332/vhhx-kai-tak-enhancement-for-asobo-gaya-su11
https://flightsim.to/file/21535/hong-kong-kai-tak-airport-cars-removal

Also adds the proper billboards

[rustic charm]

Thank

[echo gorge]

No problem

Had a lot of fun taking the maddog into that

[hollow oracle]

I’ve flown into modern Hong Kong, but never Kai Tak

[trim harbor]

they have released the liveries for pre-download

kinda weird but alright i guess?

[rustic charm]

Yeah

I think this week

[trim harbor]

yea 100%

[rustic charm]

Welp, for now I've only flown into Kai Tak twice, and both were on MD-11s

I gotta say

MD-11 is an amazing plane

Definitely not the best if you judge constructively, but also definitely my personal favourite

[hollow oracle]

McDonnell Douglas had the perfect design philosophy, a little bit of Airbus and a little bit of Boeing

Boeing is kind of on the extreme of manual control, and Airbus is on the extreme of automation, so having something in the middle is perfect

[rustic charm]

McDonnel Douglas had the design philosofy of CHEAP:
C - Cheap
H - cHeap
E - chEap
A - cheAp
P - cheaP

They did manage to do some things right of course

Like you mentioned, the balance between automatic and manual control

[hollow oracle]

I honestly can’t really think of anything objectively wrong with MD aircraft outside of the MD-80 having a panel layout designed by an insane person

[rustic charm]

And tbf the reason why the 11 is my favourite is because of its very weird characteristics, and those weird characterestics happened entirely because MD was cheap

[full plank]

oh speaking of Kai Tak, I still need to sort scenery for when I eventually take the Concorde there

been busy, so its pretty much been put on the forgotten list

[rustic charm]

The MD-11 was supposed to have a newly-designed modern wing, but the structure of CHEAP (as mentioned above) prevented it. Instead, it had the same wings as the DC-10, just slightly improved (added winglets for example). That combined with a stretched fuselage made the aircraft underperform heavily, so they decided to improve efficiency by reducing drag. And the best way to reduce drag, MD thought, is to make the horizontal stabiliser smaller. As a result, smaller elevators on a bigger plane made for a serious lack of pitch control on slower speeds

[hollow oracle]

Re-using designs doesn’t necessarily mean they’re being cheap

Especially because the MD-11 was going to be the next generation DC-10, it only makes sense to start with the DC-10 as a base and work from there

[rustic charm]

Well, reusing designs that were not planned to be reused because of money concerns does make them cheap

Does it result in a plane that’s interesting and (in my personal opinion really neat) to fly? Yes

Does that result in major contributing factors to incidents? Also yes

Does it also result in performance figures lower than those that were promised? Again yes

[reef isle]

Completed my first MSFS2024 flight 🙂

I fully moved from 2020 to 2024 now 😄

now I'm ready for the TriStar

[rustic charm]

Hopefully the tristar will be good

Will have to move to 2024 myself

Maybe not right in time for the 340, but in a bit

[reef isle]

there's a lot less to get wrong compared to even the A300

I'm hopeful

at the end of the day ini hasn't been as bad as some people say IMO, most of their planes are solid, even if they could be better/more polished

[rustic charm]

True

[rustic charm]

And also true

Well from my experience at least

Although my experience is limited to around 6-7 total hours on the A310

[hollow oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xE-vxlMc2Q

[rustic charm]

Also I wonder if ini will only make CF6s on the Tristar as well

If it even had CF6s, don't remember tbf

But probably did

[reef isle]

Only RB211s

nothing else

[rustic charm]

Oh

That's neat

[reef isle]

not if you're Lockheed

[rustic charm]

At least we'll certainly have the correct engines for all the liveries

[reef isle]

that engine (and all its problems) were one of the main reasons why it got to market so late compared to the DC-10

[rustic charm]

I know it's entirely a limit that I set myself

But it's so annoying seeing a nice A310/MD-11 operator, look into the reg and it had PWs

[reef isle]

yeah I get it, hopefully the MD-11 should be updated soon

[rustic charm]

Cause the 310 obviously only will ever have CF6s in this game

The MD at least has PWs in the future

[reef isle]

I plead myself guilty

I flew the MD-11 with LTU

with the wrong engine 😭

[rustic charm]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't collectors edition MD-11 customers get PWs right away too

[reef isle]

yes

[rustic charm]

THEN WHY DO WE STILL NOT HAVE THEM OVER A YEAR LATER 😭

[reef isle]

but as far as I've understood they were never "good enough" so they redid them, or tweaked them

[rustic charm]

Well not over a year

Almost a year

[reef isle]

they'll release them with the big update that should happen soon™

[rustic charm]

Yeah

At least it's not too long left

The poor A310 will likely never get either PW4000s or JT9s

[reef isle]

Yeah, the A310 seems to be more or less abandoned

which is a big shame, it had lots of potential

[rustic charm]

Yep

[reef isle]

not just the engine, but the other pax variant and the cargo variant as well

[rustic charm]

And the chances someone else makes one... almost 0

[rustic charm]

Yeah, no -200s at all, no freighters at all...

[reef isle]

yeah no point, and to be fair, the ini A310 is very good, I think it's actually better than most of their modern busses

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah

And even if ini wanted to expand it, Asobo won't allow it most likely

And it's quite likely even that they have a line in a contract that they can't make a fully new A310 from scratch either

[reef isle]

I'm sort of surprised that the community didn't take on the project

it seems a fairly straightforward thing to do if there's someone that is looking to do a model replacement or model tweak

same sort of the same thing as the Salty 747-8f

but I guess the A310 isn't as mainstream and popular as the 747 😅

Maybe I will do it whenever I learn blender

(which is probably never going to happen)

[rustic charm]

Same lol

Need to learn modelling

Although tbf, whenever I do, the first thing I'm doing is an Il-86

I want a widebody powered by low bypass turbofans lol

[reef isle]

well but you know, if you do that all you have to do is model work

[trim harbor]

LTUUUU

[reef isle]

TRIPOLI TRIPOLI

[trim harbor]

they had a banging livery

[rustic charm]

THEY DID

[trim harbor]

the old one

not the new one

[trim harbor]

joe moser is such a legend

he owns aerologic now

[reef isle]

really?

[rustic charm]

Yes

[reef isle]

that's really cool 🤣

[trim harbor]

yup

[reef isle]

what a legend

[rustic charm]

It's amazing

Also I didn't know that was the old one

What's the new one

[reef isle]

does he still fly for Aerologic?

[trim harbor]

nope

they recorded his final flight

[trim harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYt2VFLtotE

[rustic charm]

Ngl, never seen that one lol

For me LTU is always associated with older planes XD

[trim harbor]

shortly before the airberlin merger

air berlin was a big L

their decisions anyway

they had a cool song tho

[rustic charm]

The livery was nice too tbf

[reef isle]

Good thing they didn't build an airport almost exclusively for them

[trim harbor]

old liveries were so damn good

[rustic charm]

And Niki Lauda owned a share

[trim harbor]

we went from great to shit in modern times

their new livery was okay but the old one cleared tbh

[rustic charm]

Oops

I got too used to the MD

It idles the throttles automatically

[reef isle]

oh right hahahah

[rustic charm]

I landed with throttles still in auto following 121kts

Which resulted in a bad and rather bouncy touchdown

[hollow oracle]

with kai tak, how do you get charts for an airport that has been closed

[rustic charm]

But well, never too late to push toga (until the reversers are deployed, then it's too late... normally)

[rustic charm]

For me just googling "Kai Tak approach charts" worked

[hollow oracle]

im kind of interested in trying to land at kai tak, but im terrified at the same time, because visual landings in airliners in the past have not been great

[trim harbor]

When do yall actually whip the autopilot off

[hollow oracle]

i tried landing at DCA in the fenix A321, and trying to do visual turns while also staying on a glideslope is so fucking hard

[trim harbor]

On clear conditions ofc

[hollow oracle]

depends on the aircraft, airport, how good the approach is going, the winds

if the winds are good, and im solid on the approach, i usually take it off around 500ft AGL

enough to get a good feel of how its going to handle, while also not going so early that i risk cocking something up and getting off of the approach path

if winds are bad, ill wait until minimums to take over, if the aircraft is doing something i dont like i'll usually take over right by the FAF

[rustic charm]

In Kai Tak? Usually once I cross from the bay into the city

Once I'm over the buildings, it's manual

[trim harbor]

I meant in general

[rustic charm]

Oh, then depends on the mood lol

And the plane

The 320s admittedly quite early, they handle themselves very steadily

I've once done Edinburgh - Heathrow starting at around 3am, while drunk, without ever engaging AP

The whole flight by hand

737s and 777s mostly around 1000-1500AGL, but sometimes I'll keep AP for a lot longer if I feel like it's gonna work out better

[trim harbor]

Woe I expected alot higher

[hollow oracle]

idk, im a big believer in letting the airplane do its thing

if you're on the approach, and everything is going good, there's no reason to kick off autopilot until you really have to

[reef isle]

https://kr.xe.ivao.aero/download/charts/VHHX.pdf

[reef isle]

And with keyboard and mouse

You're the best flight simmer I've ever seen

Respect

[hollow oracle]

i may or may not being flying into kai tak

i had no idea that they actually had turn lights on the ground on top of buildings lol

[trim harbor]

I usually turn it on at 10-13k fr and whip it off at 5-10k ft (clear conditions) ngl

I enjoy flying the plane except a few exclusions

W a weird FM

[reef isle]

Same

At the very least I do all the approach myself

from ILS intercept ownward

in the sense that I want to intercept the ILS myself

only exception is bad weather

[hollow oracle]

its one of those days where i know i want to fly something, but i dont know what aircraft, or where to fly it to

im feeling pmdg 747 right now, or i might redo my worst landing on volanta

[hollow oracle]

yes!!!!!! i love random lag spikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hollow oracle]

B-17 activities

i tried cleaning my shader cache and FTX broke, so now i have to fix that B)

i havent decided if im going to buy the microprose early access, after watching a preview video, it looks not great even for a paid early access

the startup sequence is simplified, the mixture levers are reversed, the heading bug doesnt work, seems kind of sketchy

[runic hare]

Found this at Stansted last week

Thing must be older than about 50% of the people in this server

They used to have a base at STN and used the satellite I was sat at

[trim harbor]

Ayoooo

[runic hare]

Tbh I’m not even sure what the fuck it is

It’s not a bag checker

[dusky leaf]

From the days before we relied on computers for everything

[runic hare]

well

I would say its a departure board

but its not

stansted was finished in the 90's with all the modern bits for the time including departure boards fucking everywhere

I would say its a baggage reclaim thing

but then it says "boarding time" on it

but also exit?

[trim harbor]

Maybe that or for staff maybe?

But why would it be in german

[runic hare]

german airline

makes sense

[trim harbor]

Well yes ofc

[runic hare]

they did mainly fly to germany

[trim harbor]

But for staff it would seem random to be in german

[trim harbor]

Thats actually alot more than I expected

Especially dash flights

[runic hare]

Mönchengladbach is the interesting one

[trim harbor]

Yeah

Super random

[rustic charm]

Idk what's happening here

Most likely MSFS weather is what's happening

[rustic charm]

A340 is out

I was thinking tomorrow lol

Turns out not

[trim harbor]

https://inibuilds.com/products/inibuilds-a340-airliner-msfs-2024

its out

[dusty sky]

Why does the A340 store page have the recommended fs2020 specs

[rustic charm]

Idk

That's weird

Maybe ini just had some standardised thing for their pages and just included it

[trim harbor]

she flies good

[rustic charm]

Oh, you already have it XD

I wonder what the localised price will be in KZT

[trim harbor]

the sounds r abit weird

[rustic charm]

Ping me when you take a quick look at the systems, what's there/not there etc

I'm really interested in this one

[trim harbor]

fmc wise its a standard a340

crt screns are nice

[rustic charm]

Standard as in good kind of standard, meaning a true-to-A340 kind of A340?

[trim harbor]

the redone efb is great though

[rustic charm]

It looks really good I gotta say

[trim harbor]

A3XX run i think a standardized fmc across the board

except 350/380