Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[rustic cedar]

some of these things are ridiculous bruh
https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/1ku8rkn/fa18ified_the_sim/

can't lie though cool as a mf

[hollow oracle]

8 thousand dollars

[hollow oracle]

quite rusty at flying the e-jets, but its still fun as ever

when it works, it works awesome, when it doesnt work, its the worst DLC in any simulator to ever be developed (including big rigs over the road racing)

no VNAV still sucks on the simulation side, but its not hard at all to actually just do it yourself, otherwise the aircraft flies pretty awesome

MSFS isnt really the sim for regional jets either, the default airport gen is so horrifically bad, if your destination is some hole-in-the-wall regional airport with 1 runway, chances are the parking is going to be nonexistant

[hollow oracle]

you just have to actually use your brain to plan descent rather than falling asleep and letting VNAV do it all for you

not realistic, but you should be doing it anyway

[hollow oracle]

there are still a few bugs that should have been fixed ages ago, which is frustrating, like this is just lazy UV mapping

if you have the source model, it would take 2 seconds to create a new UV island that's mapped to its own thing

the cockpit door still wont open/close if the battery is turned on too, if you forget to close it before you switch on the batteries then you're going to be flying the entire flight with it open

i dont even know what's happening here, it might be the fault of whoever made the livery

[rustic charm]

Thinking of getting the CRJ

[trim harbor]

sexy

[rustic charm]

Tu-134 in msfs when

At least we’re getting the 154

[hollow oracle]

i ended up crashing this flight so bad, funnily enough, because of no VNAV

needless to say im looking at the xcrafts E175 now

i think i might actually end up waiting for the A-10C to go on sale, or at least once i actually get my first paycheck at my new job, because $80 for a fighter aircraft hurts regardless of how good it is

(i say as i buy the $105 e-jets package for xplane)

[reef isle]

How?

[hollow oracle]

i was coming in way too high and way too fast, and i both didnt want to/didnt know how to do a go around in the FSS E-jets, so i just forced it to land. wouldnt capture the glideslope either, so i was manually piloting it all the way down, having no idea what was working and what wasnt, it was not fun

[reef isle]

VNAV in planes like the Ejets usually only tells you when to descend, you should always have the minimum safe altitude dialed up on the MCP

[reef isle]

Oh, next time just add some track miles

[hollow oracle]

i mean, next time im going to be flying in the x-craft ones, so i wont have to worry about a repeat incident like that

[reef isle]

Don't rule it out

As far as I've heard from real pilots VNAV in the Ejets is trash, also high energy situations can happen for a wide variety of reasons

IMO it's better to learn to deal with them

[hollow oracle]

i mean, i have 100x more confidence in the x-crafts simulation than the FSS one, which was a massive part of it

i know for a fact that i can do a realistic go-around in the x-crafts one, no telling what the FSS one would do, so i was just "fuck it, we're forcing it on the ground"

[reef isle]

As long as you have control of the aircraft and you can see the runway it doesn't matter how good the systems are

[hollow oracle]

i had schrodingers control - the AP and AT lights were on, but i was manually flying it, and i was trying to troubleshoot that while also trying to land, not knowing if that was normal or a bug

[reef isle]

That sounds like the situation where you should have just flown straight and level at a safe altitude

But I'm not here to judge or teach other people, sorry that happened, I hope you have a better time with the x-craft. Although yeah, I've not heard great things about them

But being better than the FSS is a low bar

[hollow oracle]

i ended up getting the full e-jets family pack, you get all 5 for the price of two basically, and i was thinking of getting the E-190 eventually to do jetblue ops, so it kind of works out

plus it was $50 off, and i can say i took part in a sale today

its also for both XP11 and XP12, so i can upgrade sims without losing anything, which is always good

[rustic charm]

Tbh the 727 is rather nice

The first plane I had to write off in my MSFS fleet lol

Was delivering OY-SAS to Sterling, crashed on landing at CYHZ

Halifax is a fun place I gotta say

Only one ILS approach out of 4. That runway was not in use at the time, so had to go for the LOC in a gusting crosswind. What happened next is a huge skill issue on my part - I don’t really know how to deal with crosswinds

[hollow oracle]

the FSS 72s are awesome, but their e-jets are a joke to say the least

i got that new pittsburgh city pack for MSFS too, im excited to do some sightseeing flights around there

[rustic charm]

I hope they will become better eventually

Cause regional jets are sometimes fun

[hollow oracle]

its fun, it changes up the operations a bit, plus you get to fly to a bunch of regional airports

[reef isle]

don't worry, flying with keyboard and mouse makes you invulnerable to any skill issue diagnosis

[rustic charm]

Thanks lol

Not invulnerable to hull losses though xD

And I kinda have a thing where if I crash a registration and it can’t be repaired, I can’t fly it again

I could change the reg, but no idea how to. Asked a friend of mine to do it for me so eventually will have Sterling again

[hollow oracle]

im not even joking, i was in this parking garage maybe 4 weeks ago

[trim harbor]

R those the XP ejets

Xcrafts

[hollow oracle]

Yes

[hollow oracle]

i havent actually done a flight in it yet because ive been troubleshooting the regular issues that come with getting a new plen

launch game, "oh shit i forgot to update navigraph", close game, launch game, "oh shit i forgot to save the flight plan file", close game, etc

[rustic charm]

Doing my first flight in the 777F now

Of course it’s a delivery to FedEx, flying light from Paine to Memphis

[rustic charm]

Welp

Just landed in Memphis

And I think it was my single best landing yet

[reef isle]

Nice ❤️

[rustic charm]

Is there actually no good Memphis in this sim

The default is awful, and looking across the stores the only one is bmworld and amsim

[hollow oracle]

bmworld and amsim is the best option unfortunately

far better than default at least

[hollow oracle]

awesome, started my takeoff roll in the e-jets, and i crash halfway down the runway

otherwise, runs good, controls feel okay, im not sure about AP/AT disconnect yet, but usually ill play around with those in cruise just incase something goes wrong

sometimes you can use trim up/down to disconnect both AP and AT, sometimes AT can be forced off if your using buttons as your throttle, idk

for some reason i was getting a single cue FD on takeoff too, i believe they said it should be the crossbars for takeoff and landing, and in cruise its singlecue

i got the mango soundpack for the e-jets too, i honestly didnt even know they made one, and im 100% convinced after messing with the MD-11 soundpack

for $15 for all 4 too, good stuff

[hollow oracle]

extremely short flight from DCA to PIT

the mango soundpack was absolutely worth it, its awesome

for some reason the FD was still single cue on takeoff, and it was in FLCH on the climb instead of VNAV PTH

the difference between xcrafts and FSS is literally like going from hot wheels cars to driving an F1 car in an actual race

not even comparable

something isnt right, trying to get it to follow the descent path is not working, it hits TOD and just overshoots it in ALT hold even though its purple, which should mean its being worked by VNAV

now its not following any sort of approach at all, wtf

i dont know what its trying to do, it REALLY wants to go this way

of course just when i go to praise xcrafts, the onslaught of bugs start 🥲

[hollow oracle]

i might have figured it out, i didnt use the TOGA button on takeoff, which might have put everything out of sequence in the autopilot

using the TOGA button automatically arms VNAV, LNAV, the proper crossbar FD, AT TO mode, all of that stuff

[hollow oracle]

oh hell yeah, the FA cabin lighting panel works, as well as the seatbelt and smoking signs

[hollow oracle]

i dont know what the fuck happened, i just hit over an hour in this flight and both of my engines died, and my yokes dissapeared

i have no yoke control, nothing, im just in a gradual left turn descent, so i cant even get the engines or APU restarted because i cant control my altitude

[hollow oracle]

couldnt quite make it back in time for a diversion to KSLC

[dusky leaf]

The vnav is buggy, also the fmc doesnt have the ability to hold over a fix

[hollow oracle]

the lineage 1000 is insane, the entire cabin is interactible from the reading light armrest controls, to the TV screens and everything

normally i dont particularly care about private jets, but i might do a few flights in the lineage 1000

if i had enough to buy a private jet though, i would definitely be the one flying it, or at least sitting in the cockpit for the flight

[dusky leaf]

If I had the money I would be the one sleeping in the bed. Giving it "wake me up on final my man" 😆

[hollow oracle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Xplane/comments/1kxojzd/boeing_314_clipper_available_now_for_xplane_12/

oh fuck yeah

it doesnt look very good, but its cool that we finally got the clipper

[hollow oracle]

Oh god who let him pilot a 737

[rustic charm]

Folks, anyone yet tried switching computers without reinstalling MSFS? I have it on an external drive, plugged it into the new laptop, and the game works, yet is completely broken. Any plane I try to fly, it spawns me in a 737 at Renton (because that is the first thing I spawned when I started the game on this laptop), and the plane isn’t initialising either

[trim harbor]

Nomadic

Goated company

[alpine coral]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[full plank]

i'd reinstall any planes on the new install, make sure that they're actually tied to the new pc

[rustic charm]

Fair, yeah

I reckon it’s some DRM kicking in really

Though it’s weird that the default planes don’t work either, it still spawns me in Renton with a 737. Probably will end up reinstalling the whole sim

[full plank]

I just opt reinstalling the sim tbh, just got a new pc recently & wanted to make sure everything worked & affirm it did

I know the PMDG 737 likes to throw a hissy fit every once in a while with no landing gear & yoke to the left, but otherwise it works fine

[trim harbor]

CSS droppingn today

[rustic charm]

25 minutes left

[rustic charm]

Gonna be flying it now

Though has to be on my older laptop, cause new one still isn’t sorted out

Would stream if I could, but only have discord on my phone

[trim harbor]

is it out?

send some pictures in if u can

and give a little review with a ping when u did a flight

im very very interested

[rustic charm]

Will try to

Dinner first xD

I’ll be sure to provide feedback as detailed as I can

First off, payment: they promised direct support of Russian cards, which I will try out now

Although let me take some time for a meal, their servers seem to be bit overwhelmed right now anyway xD

Which looks like is the standard for MSFS lol

[rustic charm]

Servers are officially down

Just finished dinner, well, will read through the documentation meanwhile

[hollow oracle]

Awesome, now the xcrafts ejets are blue screening my PC

[rustic charm]

Will get it in a couple minutes, will keep the channel updated on how the plane is

[rustic charm]

Installing

[hollow oracle]

prepare to be dissapointed

[rustic charm]

Was already bit tired today to deal with a new plane, have a lot of time tomorrow

[hollow oracle]

yep, now im getting working VNAV, you have to hit the TOGA button on takeoff, otherwise youll be out of sequence and it wont automatically work

i dont know if thats realistic or not

[hollow oracle]

i love flying into an airport with default scenery and realizing that the ILS freqs arent set up

managed to make a nice visual approach, clear day too, but its not preferred

[trim harbor]

Its probably not that bad

[hollow oracle]

usually i hate it when the flight sim community blindly goes after a product to say its garbage, but i feel like they might be onto something this time

[rustic charm]

Eh, half the complaints are unreasonable

At least for now I’ve not noticed any issues with the model and the textures

Honestly the community basically just says it’s garbage because 1) they don’t like the pricing model and 2) delayed release

The fact that their servers went down today only makes it worse, even though these same people will defend PMDG for having server troubles on releases

[trim harbor]

That

Accurate

[trim harbor]

U see half of the stuff being released

The css isnt trash

Theur pricing model is weird but oh well

I rather have a mid looking plane w banging systems than another ejet

Im gonna keep it real

[rustic charm]

And with the pricing model, again, I can totally understand the complaint. I myself hate subscriptions with a passion, so if I do like it tomorrow, I will then buy it forever for that $120. And $120 is a lot, genuinely. Especially that for now it’s just the 735. When it will include the 734 and the 733? It will be absolutely reasonable in my opinion. People just don’t want to buy a promise and I get that

[trim harbor]

(The ejets are $150 i think)

For xplane

Lol

No complaints there

[rustic charm]

I mean

[trim harbor]

Flight sim community is funny

And that released unfimished as well mind you

[rustic charm]

The 736/737/738/739 together are upwards of $220 iirc

One thing I can say about css and their promises though: they promised ability to purchase the plane from Russia directly, they delivered it. And not even at a terrible exchange rate

[rustic charm]

US airways hits a bit different after watching Sully yesterday

[hollow oracle]

one of the best airline liveries

[rustic charm]

Well, I’m not that much of a fan, but it is nice

[hollow oracle]

its very sharp, i like the blue and the red, with the simplified flag logo and the sublte swooshes, its awesome

[rustic charm]

Well it is great, there are just a lot that are better imo

[hollow oracle]

im also sort of biased towards the (almost) all-airbus fleet

[hollow oracle]

god damn i forgot how good squadrons was (technically a flight sim )

its just so weird because its space controls, sometimes it makes more sense for it to be straight joystick instead of the regular flight sim inverted style

[reef isle]

The latest US Airways livery is the weakest IMO

I think both of those are better

(also special mention)

[rustic charm]

737-200 ❤️

[rustic charm]

Welp, for now I have no complaints about the 735 apart from the fact it doesn’t let me change the default aircraft state to turnaround instead of c&d for some reason, the option just doesn’t change in the EFB. But well, that’s fine

And toolbar pushback gets a bit confused with it lol

[rustic charm]

Startup seems absolutely reasonable, haven’t found any issues

Takeoff had a giant skill issue, but well, I’m not used to the plane at all

[trim harbor]

it doesnt look bad

[rustic charm]

As for its looks, I really don’t get any complaints. People say the model is bad, the textures are bad, I don’t agree with any of that

[dusky leaf]

Anyone know any solution for msfs 2020 not starting after the latest update? Uninstalled and reinstalled, but the progress bar when starting just gets halfway along and it quits

Default install

[reef isle]

Do all the usual stuff with the Xbox app and signing out and back in

[dusky leaf]

will try now

signed out and back in still same

trying a verify and repair

[dusky leaf]

might as well update gpu driver

[hollow oracle]

oh yeah, the CSS installer is confirmed to be an fslabs situation

https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim/comments/1kzrz9h/css_737_installer_might_just_be_the_new_fslabs/

it reads the date of your windows install, it renames a few utilities, and what security settings you have set in edge

this is how one of the CSS devs responded

theyre also a russian company registered in the UAE, make of that what you will

[echo gorge]

Being russian and headquartered elsewhere is pretty normal

[rustic charm]

Tbh antiviruses often detect stuff that’s actually normal, I’ve had that with other apps. As for reading system installation data, I’m pretty sure it’s not the first time either

[echo gorge]

The other stuff does seem rather sus

[rustic charm]

Afaik reading some basic system data is rather normal, it will just tie the product down to one system. At least I’ve already experienced legitimate installations stopping working after I reinstalled windows, which indicates that those products were tied to that exact system

[rustic charm]

And that’s also indeed normal. I’ve already mentioned it about them. Most likely they fully reside in the UAE. A lot of people, especially those whose work was mainly computer-based, left after 2022

[untold finch]

Yeesh. What is it about the flight sim community that makes developers do stuff like this.

[rustic charm]

Most likely again they just want to make it tied to one specific system

And reading some of the most basic system parameters is the simplest way to do that

[untold finch]

Reading stuff, yes - edge security settings, though?

Iunno, I feel like a lot of these flight sim devs want to double dip and sell user data

It can't be massively profitable unless you're an inibuilds or orbx

[rustic charm]

Yeah, well, edge settings is a weird one

Cause if it is intentional… why? What could you possibly get from edge settings?

[reef isle]

doesn't look like it

in that same reddit post there's someone that says he knows about cybersecurity, looks to be an untinerested party, and said this after a bit of back and forth

"The actual outcomes of the installer appear to be valid and legitimate, but the way they go about implementing it (e.g., unpacking and executing files in temporary folders) is a method that detection tools are trained to rightly identify as potentially suspicious. This can very likely be remedied by a more purposeful packaging of the installer, prebundling of the required runtimes, and overall simplification of the installer chain. What we see here is likely explained by some packaging defaults left in the Visual Studio configs and poorly managed dependencies that would take time and effort to unwind - something that they hopefully do."

of course, we don't know anything about this person, they could be a CSS shill, but that's also true for the OP being a hater or something

[hollow oracle]

Idk, one of the CSS devs went in to give a whatabout-ism argument as their only statement on this so far

[reef isle]

Yeah, communication from CSS has been a disaster since the very beginning, that doesn't make their installer a new test.exe

and I say this as someone that really hopes that (even though it feels awful to say) they really fail financially, it's either that or subscription becoming the new norm

As individual people and as a company I wish them the best (as long as they're not making me download something malicious or become very anti-consumer in the way they handle subscriptions), but I really hope people vote with their wallet against this.

[rustic charm]

Oh no no no, can we not have subscriptions please

Honestly as nice as it is to have an option to basically try out the plane for just $5, subs are just way too much of an uncertain way

When you buy something, you just have it. You keep it. Subscriptions are too dependant on the servers etc

[trim harbor]

Its 2024

*2025

Being a russian company = trying to hack u

[hollow oracle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/s/97jnHyqA7u

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-its-gone-gif-4104229

[runic hare]

You would be surprised

If your a small studio say 20k people buy your plane, that 20k worth of people’s data that they can sell adding up to about $1500-2000 per person per month.

As for piracy control, the FS community especially the Russian and Chinese side of it are very very very prone to software piracy. To put it bluntly you have a lot of “nerds” who don’t have a lot of money, they are gonna turn to piracy to get the planes they want to fly and the scenery they want to fly to.

The WW 737Max, Fenris A320 just in XP11

It happens all the time and there isn’t much devs can do about it other than put in super complex anti piracy measures and hope for the best

SASL3 for XP is a godsend because it’s really hard to crack it and you need to do it individually for each aircraft

MSFS doesn’t have an equivalent

[rustic charm]

So I’m not the only one who hasn’t totally moved to 2025 yet

[rustic charm]

Tbh on the Russian side it isn’t like that just in the flight sim community, it’s the same when it comes to other games

A lot of people just consider it normal to not pay

A big portion of those same people will then proceed to complain to support that their thing doesn’t work

Just how many people I’ve seen that ask for help fixing their RailWorks installs, “it is totally broken, this game is buggy, the devs should do more to fix it”, and it turns out to be just a download from some shady website and not an actual real install

[reef isle]

On the flip side of that, we get loads of awesome freeware for russian/soviet stuff

[rustic charm]

Not in MSFS sadly

[dusky leaf]

The cubs STOL abilities never cease to amaze reckon thats around 30 feet EGEP Papa Westray

[rustic charm]

Okay this is fun

I just redownloaded MSFS on my new laptop

It still doesn’t work

[trail monolith]

I would suggest FS24 instead it's smaller in size and streamed which can give you better performace

Performance*

[hollow oracle]

Literally me playing DCS

[runic hare]

Fun

[mortal furnace]

Msfs 2020 getting a hung error then msfs 2020 crashes its only happening using 3rd party content do i just need to uodate that content? Its not happening on msfs included content

[rustic charm]

FS24 is streamed, exactly. Hate that tbh, if I buy a game I want it to be downloaded. At least they’re adding an ability to download stuff in SU3. And as for performance… FS24 performing better than 20 sounds like some miracle, haven’t heard about anything like that even a single time

[dusky leaf]

Ok got another reply from support re my msfs 2020 crashing after sending event log - crash was caused by nvidia driver. Just had to delete NGX folder and it works again. Thumbs up for their support

[dusky leaf]

I like the streaming side of it saves that endless effing about with updates

[reef isle]

Except that it doesn't

Because world updates are still going to be separate "downloads" apparently 🙃

[hollow oracle]

back in the MD-11

completeing the home leg on vamsys, heading back to memphis

no TCAS surprisingly

even if its not a direct threat it should warn you of close traffic

[hollow oracle]

KDEN from 37000ft

[dusky leaf]

Taking my new toy round the pattern at Bergen

[rustic charm]

That looks like a beautiful airport

[hollow oracle]

once you sort of understand the MD-11, you get to know that bouncing and somewhat hard landings are actually par for the course

freight does not complain

i also didnt realize i was landing onto a 9000ft runway in memphis, in a fully loaded MD-11, so i kind of wanted to get down now rather than later

[hollow oracle]

are there any A350 routes that arent 8 billion hours long

[rustic charm]

Moscow - Vladivostok. Not 8 billion hours, just 8 xD

But being real, idk if 350s fly any short routes

Singapore - Kuala Lumpur gets A350s seemingly, under an hour

Singapore - Bangkok as well, around 2 hours

If 5-6 hours is fine for you, also Singapore - Shanghai and Singapore - Beijing

[hollow oracle]

i was going to say, its either like 2 hours or 15 hours

[rustic charm]

Well which flight time do you want roughly? Around 4?

[hollow oracle]

yeah, 4-6 hours

[rustic charm]

Well, some options from Singapore then

WSSS - RKSI is under 6 hours

WSSS - VOBL is just over 4

OMDB - VCBI is around 4

OMDB - DTTA is around 5, OMDB - LFLL is around 6

[hollow oracle]

its terrifiying, just going onto flightradar24 and filtering by A350s, its literally like 15+ hour flights

[rustic charm]

UUEE - UAAA sometimes gets A350s, it’s around 4 hours

[rustic charm]

Well the vast majority will be of course

[hollow oracle]

its funny, its not even like im against doing a flight that long, i just dont trust my power, PC, MSFS, or the A350 to make it that long

and then i could go all that way and get a landing so bad that i cant keep the flight

[full plank]

tbf can always deputise for another aircraft, thats what I did before the 772 released.. I just used the 77W on most of the 72 flights

from the one A350 flight I did since getting my new pc (KLAX-EKCH) it actually didn't throw a hissy fit even once, but unless im super bored I probably wouldn't fly the 350 again

[reef isle]

I'm physically unable to do that 😭

[full plank]

used to do it loads back in P3D, 747 vice A320 yum

obviously now I try to use the actual type on most stuff I fly, helps that I don't really fly A350 dominated routes that often

if I ever do a long haul, its mostly just American Airlines or United Airlines shit

[rustic charm]

All my long hauls for now have been Aeroflot on one 77W

[dusky leaf]

Less impressed with this after my first full flight - can barely see the HSI needle not sure if its an msfs or fss thing. Shame, cos she is such a joy to hand fly

[hollow oracle]

https://www.newsweek.com/louisiana-pill-ban-chemtrails-2079764

I really don’t have any words

[rustic cedar]

america come on bruh

[hollow oracle]

i wonder whats going to happen when the "chemtrails" dont stop

airlines are going to get endlessly fined for contrails, and then theyre going to stop flying over louisiana completely is my guess

[trail monolith]

Just avoid the entire state

[echo gorge]

I don't think us states have the power to regulate what overflies them anyway, maybe they could regulate planes that land in their state, but even then I'm somewhat doubtful

If they actually narrowed down the chemtrail ingredients (which they obviously can't as they're not fucking real) then they could ban the sale of them in their state like CA is attempting with leaded avgas, but unless I'm mistaken that's really all they could do

[reef isle]

It's going to depend 100% on wether it's a Federal or State matter, they'd have jurisdiction on the airspace above their territory (+territorial waters)

I mean, I most likely expect that to be just a vanity thing so that someone can say at some point "I've done this" without it actually having any consequence at all

[echo gorge]

Yeah, and I'm 90% sure it's federal and they're overstepping their bounds

[echo gorge]

Yup

[hollow oracle]

the other way around, the state fines the airlines so much that they willingly dont overfly

[hollow oracle]

alaskan is getting hawaiians 787-9s it seems

[alpine coral]

[untold finch]

Given that a large portion of the B-52 fleet is based there, and those do actually have some fairly bad engine emissions... Good luck, Louisiana.

[trim harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4InBlzlpUo

mate

finally

[untold finch]

I'd given up on ever expecting it

[hollow oracle]

I’d given up so much on those that I bought the $100 x-crafts pack

[rustic charm]

Finally got MSFS to work on the new laptop

[rustic charm]

@reef isle sorry for ping, but iirc you have it - is the DC9 any good? I’m just looking for freighters, plus Everts did fly the thing and I like Everts, and iirc the DC9 unlike the maddog has actual freighter variants

[reef isle]

No problem, yes I have the DC-9

it has freighter variants

[rustic charm]

It’s a shame the maddog doesn’t tbh

[reef isle]

yeah 🫤

[rustic charm]

Is the DC decent to any degree? Cause the dev doesn’t have the best of reputations…

[reef isle]

it's not too bad

it's flyable

[rustic charm]

That’s great to hear then

[reef isle]

if you get it tell me because I have a custom flight model for it

[rustic charm]

Alright, will do

[hollow oracle]

fun! xplane has had a knack of crashing completely randomly recently

i was trying to do a flight from MSP to SEA, and the levelup 737 was constantly crashing the game, and then the IRS would fault and never align, and then when i tried to restart the game to see if that would fix it, even more crashes

so, back to dusting off MSFS i guess

its funny, i actually prefer MSFS' control scheme because they allow you to do shift keys like DCS, but xplane's physics are second to none

i also hate booting up MSFS and then having to sort out what needs updated, or what new stuff has been released on flightsim.to, its a nightmare

[crisp adder]

Back in MSFS 2020 after not having touched the game in half a year. So far so good. 😅

[crisp adder]

Had to do a go-around but the second attempt worked out just fine. Welcome to Munich-South!

[trim harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZRwyEzTOJk

[rustic charm]

Flying a bit of Everts now, an empty DC-6 between Anchorage and Fairbanks

Ngl, flying with nothing other than a heading to follow is fun, especially on lower flight levels. Makes you really pay attention to the surroundings

[rustic charm]

Aaand that flight ended in a terrible landing and a runway excursion

The DC-6 is going back into maintenance less than a month after being back in service

Bold of me to be setting up a virtual alliance that includes Everts if I can’t fly their most interesting plane

[rustic charm]

The CRJ, don’t see that quite often

Is it good now?

[green egret]

pretty good systems wise but the physics still need work

[rustic charm]

Fair

Was thinking of potentially getting it

[green egret]

i think its worth it at 50$ for the full bundle

i got it for 70 before the v2 update

[rustic charm]

Ah, understandable

Yeah tbh $50 doesn’t sound too bad

On another note, does anyone know any good tutorials on livery creation? Preferably ones that start with the very basics and can teach someone who knows nothing xD

[crisp adder]

How's the iFly 737 these days? Worth purchasing?

[reef isle]

It always was IMO

Far and away the best airliner flight model in MSFS

[crisp adder]

Alright, cool, that´s good to know, thanks. I read some comments about the flight model being quite twitchy but wasn´t sure how accurate those statements are.

[full plank]

Always has been quite calm for me

Throttles are a bit fast but otherwise a solid aircraft

[reef isle]

that's actually a good point

I think engine behaviour has always been it's weakest point, not in terms of power/rate of climb, but I think they start a little bit too fast and also react really quickly, I think that last time I chatted with a friend of mine that knows a lot more than the 737 than me, I came off with the impression that engine perfomance is on the upper boundary of what you could expect, but in reality it's overwhelmingly more likely for it to be "slower" in regards to most engine-related stuff

[hollow oracle]

There’s this bug on takeoff where the auto throttle wants to cut back for a second once you go wheels off, which is kind of dangerous at times

That’s about my only complaint though, outside of that, it’s easily as good as PMDG

[reef isle]

Never had that

[hollow oracle]

The auto throttle sees you pass V2, thinks your overspeeding, and will try to cut the throttles in the few seconds before it goes to N1 mode

It might be alleviated by hitting the TOGA button on takeoff so it arms TO mode before you even push the throttles, but I don’t know

[reef isle]

I usually move the throttles to about 40% (A/T armed), then push TOGA

I also bug up after takeoff

I'm pretty sure it's Ryanair procedure and helps keep commonality with the MD80 and 737CL

So that means, rotation, gear up, after thrust reduction (or before sometimes) I put select FL Change and put the speed bug to 250 (or lower if there are speed restrictions)

I don't like the LNAV+VNAV combo below 10.000ft, it feels like I'm not properly in control

[rustic charm]

I honestly just try to not use VNAV at all, just makes it more interesting and you don’t just sleep the whole flight

I really only use it when there are some complicated altitude restrictions that I don’t know, or during actually long flights when I just leave it to fly by itself

And even then, that’s only if the plane has VNAV in the first place

[reef isle]

Climbing above 10.000ft is the only time I use it

I think it just saves having to look the optimum climb speed in the FMC 😄

[hollow oracle]

i just spent $100 on e-jets and i already want to spend another $90 on the IXEG 737s :(

[rustic charm]

Well, just bought a new plane

Or more so an old plane

Cause it’s rather old

And now I’m failing to start the engines

[hollow oracle]

every single time

i go "man, the 737-200 sounds so much fun to fly right now"
and then i fly the 737-200
and it sucks

this is what its doing after i left it on VOR mode and made lunch

like, wtf

[trim harbor]

which 1

[rustic charm]

The DC-9

Just did a little test flight with it, not too bad

Flies a little weirdly

@reef isle I remember you mentioned a custom flight model?

[reef isle]

yep

stand by

[trim harbor]

the one by sky sim?

[rustic charm]

Yeah, that’s the one

[trim harbor]

is it actually good

[rustic charm]

What I can say with certainty is that it’s gonna be an easier bird for Everts than the DC-6 xD

[trim harbor]

dc6 sex

that is a good plane

[rustic charm]

Cause for now 2 out of my 4 DC-6 landings resulted in maintenance log entries xD

[rustic charm]

Thanks!

[trim harbor]

gonna try my luck in the atr

[rustic charm]

It really is. Lovely bird. Shame we can’t have an actual original condition one, but well, that’s too niche anyway

Still lovely to fly, PMDG really did a good job

[trim harbor]

i agree

a really underrated plane

[rustic charm]

I just need to learn to land it. Every other phase of flight goes good

[rustic charm]

This this

Also ngl I think the simplicity of the gyropilot is something entirely different

It does not feel like any other autopilot at all

And it’s lovely. I also gotta say, the gyropilot makes it very easy to draw nice circles in the sky

Idk but the DC-6 has a completely unique feel. It’s a plane you pretty much control fully. And when you’re cruising at some 17000, it’ll just you and the plane. No computerisation, nothing tells you what to do basically

And enjoying the scenery from 17000 is so much nicer than from flight levels 300+

Yesterday went right past Mount McKinley on the way to Anchorage, it was beautiful

Alaska had surprisingly visual weather too xD

[rustic charm]

The ATR seems nice

[trim harbor]

bruh the atr has this?

[rustic charm]

Well the -600 is quite modern tbf

[trim harbor]

alright a few issues but we good

[hollow oracle]

🙉 🙈 🙊

[rustic charm]

Funny little plane

[trim harbor]

honestly alot of fun to fly

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/jinx-arcane-jinx-arcane-pow-powder-arcane-gif-12678452941137692175

honestly, quite fitting that controversy follows the max 8 even into the flight sim space

it helps the immersion

[rustic charm]

Why’s there controversy about the flight sim one

I’ve just not heard about it tbh

[trim harbor]

for the xplane one theres alot of controversy

tldr:

levelup was making a 737 max 8 (theyre an xplane dev)

a person named walter white (ww) came around and i think kinda stole some assets from then and then released a half assed max 8

levelup in return cancelled their development and sparked a huge outcry with ww

it's been literal years though

[hollow oracle]

close

from how i understand it, WW was working with levelup/zibo on the max 8, for some reason WW was kicked out of the project, so he released his version and was working on it as a seperate thing

levelup is still "working" on their version, but there hasnt been a single update on it since the whole WW situation

the entire controvery is stupid, because laminar technically owns everything, it's their 737 model and core stuff, all the zibo and levelup mods do is improve it off of that base, both sides are in the wrong as far as im aware

and the irrepairable damage that it has caused to the reputation of everybody involved (including the end user) is so stupid, when you show or tell somebody in the xplane discord/forums that you're using the MTD max 8, the instant response is "you are a pirate, and that is filled with viruses, you are bad and you should feel bad"

[trim harbor]

JFK bound

i think thats my first visit in a few years to jfk

[hollow oracle]

literally on a 69deg heading from BAWLS

[runic hare]

Yeah but it wasn’t his version, he took the model they were working on, polished it up quite significantly after he was kicked out and then released it. He said he was doing the models and animations for the LUmax, LU then said “no actually he did nothing and stole it”, then threshold posted an article about it and everyone got angry.

It’s stupid because everyone involved tells a different story, Zibo said they are all lying and stupid, LU said he just stole the model and WW said he only released the modified bits he was working on. It’s a shame because the final versions of the MDT max are actually quite good looking and have quite a lot of system depth (even if it is modified -800 Zibo systems).

AFL are doing a payware max now so I doubt we will see anything from LU or Zibo

There is a “morally compromised” max by someone from Panama I think if you go looking for it. Works on XP12 and I think it’s just the WW systems with a whole new model that he’s done himself.

Has the 8200 with the MED as well

But no one has caused a shitstorm about it yet

[runic hare]

I’ve been considering flying it recently tbh

Model isn’t great but it works

More recent version of Zibo used as well

[trim harbor]

the one time i fly to ny : (

[rustic charm]

You sure you haven’t accidentally arrived to the UK?

Also I guess it’s the start of the summer, so rainy season. It’s pouring here in Moscow too

In fact the funniest shit ever happened yesterday, Vnukovo’s main terminal literally started leaking and got a bit flooded

[trim harbor]

god this sucked

[rustic charm]

Does simbrief not have a DC-9 option for aircraft type

Will just use MD-80 I guess

[trim harbor]

tiny

[rustic charm]

Also looks like the DC-9 can’t do Long Beach to Anchorage direct

[echo gorge]

Don't think they'd have the range, that's a long flight

[rustic charm]

Yeah, tbh it seems the tanks are quite small

The maximum I could load was iirc somewhere around 25k or 27k

Compared to the 727… well I think that’s around what the 727 holds in the centre tank alone

Yeah, 24276 is the maximum it lets you input

I think that’s less than what the 727 holds in the centre tank

And after the DC-6 I just slightly forgot how little fuel 21k is for a jet lol

We’re not making it to Seattle today

[echo gorge]

Their range was generally <1000 miles

[rustic charm]

I could be certain in not running out and just land in Sacramento in like 30 minutes

Or I could try to stretch it, I should make it to Portland (the fake one)

I’ve used under 30% for now, and that’s including high power on takeoff

I’m curious how Hawaiian ever got these things

[trim harbor]

prob extra fuel tanks instead of seats

[rustic charm]

Yeah, probably

[trim harbor]

and back to base

[hollow oracle]

tbh, i want to fly a max 8 in xplane, and that's the only available option and it works great, so thats the one i use

[rustic charm]

Started descending into Eugene, OR

With 9k left probably could’ve pushed to Portland

But hey, already started descending

[rustic charm]

Ngl, the DC-9 is genuinely fairly fun to fly

[hollow oracle]

losing my shit with xplane, now the x-crafts e-jets are crashing again for no reason

all i did was launch the game, load in, realize the FOV was fucked, exited, edited the FOV stuff as ive done a hundred times to every new aircraft, and now it crashes

didnt even generate a log this last crash, and the log from the crash before didnt have any errors that could cause a crash

[agile oak]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-cringe-gif-17778800

[trim harbor]

passing skytree on the way in

[trim harbor]

and 12 hrs to chicago

[dusky leaf]

Doing a tour of Denmark - the 24 PC-6 Altimeter doesnt work, not a failure, just bugged, you cant set the baro. Luckily there is the stanby which works

[hollow oracle]

is it just me, or does anyone else feel weird about doing IRL flights that your family members are going to be on

my brother is going from boston to pittsburgh after coming back from france, and its in a jetblue E190 which ive been wanting to fly, but id feel weird doing it in a sim as he's mid-flight

i feel like it's a bad omen if i dont finish the flight for whatever reason, or if something goes wrong in-sim

[rustic charm]

One of my friends does that often when I’m flying, I don’t find it weird tbh

I guess you could see how it would look bad if something goes wrong in the sim, but I just am not really superstitious

Plus there have already been occasions when he didn’t finish flights (I mostly am on overnight long hauls, he would just fall asleep near the end sometimes xD) and I can tell from experience, haven’t had anything go wrong in reality yet thankfully

[rustic charm]

A Dreamliner crashed in India

[trim harbor]

bruh

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/12/uk-bound-plane-crashes-take-off-air-india/

[rustic charm]

Yep, that’s really bad

Just after takeoff

[trim harbor]

that doesnt look like

anyone survived

[rustic charm]

Unfortunately it looks very unlikely, yeah

And there were 250 people onboard

[trail monolith]

The first 787 hull loss too?

[rustic charm]

Could be, yeah, I don’t remember any others thankfully

[hollow oracle]

I don’t mean for this to sound fucked up, but this morning I woke up to 2 notifications that my Boeing stock plummeted $15, and I knew something happened

I went from being 50 cents up on Boeing to 50 cents in the negatives

[hollow oracle]

At least right now there is 1 confirmed survivor from the plane

Again, not to sound insensitive, but I’m actually shocked that this is the first ever fatal crash of a 787, with Boeings track record I could have sworn there was at least 1

[trim harbor]

almost in sfo

[hollow oracle]

jet BLOO

[hollow oracle]

im fucking done

awesome end to a 3 hour flight

i literally cant even put into words how pissed i am right now

when i tried arming approach and VOR/LOC, it completely fucked up VNAV and starting climbing rapidly too, so i had to take control manually and fly it in by hand

I don’t even know what the fuck happened to the aircraft too, no abnormal gear indications, I literally floated it so it was a soft landing, and I always fly with failures off

I don’t even have failures on, that’s the first thing I turn off ever, very clearly I’m not good enough to troubleshoot failures when I’m trying to learn how to fly it normally

[full plank]

back in the sim after some time away

[trim harbor]

smallboy ops

[hollow oracle]

CSS -500 or the -600 cosplaying as a -500?

the CSS -500 has been calling out to me still, but i hate subscription based stuff when it comes to sims

[trim harbor]

PMDG 737-600

i have been thinking abouit the -500 for some air do / ana ops

but as far as i know

no livery

[hollow oracle]

ive been wanting to get it for BAW stuff, but im in the same spot, no liveries

[trim harbor]

thats kinda holding me back

[hollow oracle]

same, they havent even released a paintkit yet

[trim harbor]

w8 they havent?

💀

the side of japan not many know

[hollow oracle]

i havent flown to the islands east yet, but i have flown to okinawa

[trim harbor]

theres so many nice places honestly

i need the embraer badly

[hollow oracle]

you do not

[reef isle]

The fact I hate the most about Japan is that there are a lot of cool approaches and it's genuinely amazing for VOR navigation, so I really enjoy it on Xplane, but I also really like the fact that it's so beatutiful in MSFS, but flying the MSFS planes there feels like a "waste"

Japan is too good 😭

[hollow oracle]

i think i might be done with flight sims forever

i just tried taking off in the MD-80 and i had a dual engine failure, lost power, and crashed

[reef isle]

Leonardo?

most likely pushed throttles all the way forward right?

unless you take off with auto/throttle remember to set take off thrust yourself

[hollow oracle]

is it throttle up a little bit, normalize, and then arm auto throttle?

[reef isle]

yeah, don't forget to press the button on the thrust levers

the FMA you should see

TAK
OFF

also don't forget to set your EPR Limit

I think if you forget it's going to default to something useful, but I'm not sure

[trim harbor]

i did that alot

then i never flew it again

major skill issue on my end

[reef isle]

It only killed me once during a go around 😭

I still remember it to this day

[trim harbor]

why does that happen though

[trim harbor]

i wanna fly it on xplane as well for 767/Ejets but holy dogwater scenery

[reef isle]

No FADEC

[trim harbor]

oh

makes sense

[reef isle]

so it will not limit itself

[trim harbor]

ana and jal r cool

but JAS takes the cake

[reef isle]

How do you not have the 772 with the rainbow livery?

[reef isle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz-6i3jbhhA&

[trim harbor]

such a pity it went poo

well banrkutp

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/JASスカイメリットカード.jpg

what man i wish

[reef isle]

This is the n.1 reason why I bought the 772

[trim harbor]

bruh

lmao

[hollow oracle]

i was forgetting that too

[reef isle]

@hollow oracle

forgot to check trim 😭

and cursor position is wrong, wtf

also check if those are in line

the green indicator and the white rectangle

[trim harbor]

is that ur voice

[reef isle]

yes

destined to have a teenager's voice for the rest of my life looks like

[trim harbor]

you sound super nordic

although i know you're italian

[reef isle]

ahahah fair enough

Maybe watched too much Mentour Pilot? 😛

[trim harbor]

i wach 0 aviation youtbuers anymore hahaha

was mentour pilot the one who flew the 747

for atlas air\

[reef isle]

fair enough, yeah I don't watch nearly as much as I used as well

[reef isle]

Ah yeah I stopped watching him a long time ago

[trim harbor]

then there was the german airberlin pilot

im so out the loop

the only people i watch are the nomadic folks

[reef isle]

ahah oh yeah, I think he got a position in a 747 as well

I think he's now flying for Cargolux

but I stopped following him pretty much after that

[trim harbor]

i forgort about that airline

[reef isle]

I only watch Mentour Pilot and an italian channel now

[trim harbor]

we need a good 747 in msfs

[reef isle]

Looks like PMDG's 74s aren't too far

maybe?

but I think they'll do the -100 and -200 first

[trim harbor]

i pray they dont release the -100 before the -400

i love both of those

alot

but i prefer a -400

[reef isle]

they will

unless they change plans

unfortunately

[trim harbor]

pity

i still havent flown the 8

[reef isle]

me neither, to be honest that plane does nothing for me

[trim harbor]

same

the 8i just kinda exists

no urge to fly it whatsoever

[reef isle]

yeah same thing for me

[hollow oracle]

i just stalled out???

now i just lost apll power????

i dont know what i did wrong, i set it in cruise mode, i normal speed, normal altitude, and it just slowly lost speed

WHEN THE FUCK DID THE GEAR COME DOWN???

the interaction system in the MD-80 is the worst i have ever seen in any sim of any genre

why the fuck would both right and left click activate the switch your hovering over, when right click also moves the camera???

you have to always check to see that your not hovering over a switch before you right click

fucking garbage

[echo gorge]

iirc the art switch being left in the up position after takeoff can cause that

I think I had a crash or two caused by that early on

[hollow oracle]

this was like 40 minutes into cruise

it should come on after takeoff too, right?

[echo gorge]

I think you have to turn it off shortly after takeoff

[hollow oracle]

auto is the default state though?

[echo gorge]

Yes

[hollow oracle]

i thought you turned it off for a flex takeoff, and then once your in climb you turn it back into auto

[echo gorge]

iirc it's the opposite, but I haven't flown it in ages

[hollow oracle]

im 0/3 on the last 3 flight attempts in any aircraft and any sim

[rustic charm]

You’re probably thinking of 74Gear with that one, mentour is the one who does detailed accident explanations on one channel, and aviation news reviews on the other

I’m actually not sure who exactly Mentour used to fly for (I think he’s not flying at the moment? Or could be back with it by now), but he’s a captain & instructor on the 737

Pretty much the only aviation youtuber I watch

[echo gorge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/1l6rvn6/grinnelli_designs_workinprogress_rhaw_radar/?utm_source=embedv2&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_content=post_body&embed_host_url=https://stormbirds.blog/2025/06/12/a-couple-of-grinnelli-designs-video-clips-show-dcs-f-100-progress/ this looks so cool

[reef isle]

Fairly confident it's RYR

[untold finch]

It was indeed

[reef isle]

I need your help

https://www.flight-manuals-online.com/product/dassault-mercure/

please convince me to noy buy it

it's calling me, but I need to resist

https://www.flight-manuals-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Mercure-Air-Inter-UM-cover-scaled.jpg

[runic hare]

Buy it

[trail monolith]

Buy it

[rustic charm]

Don’t buy it

Honestly the mercure is cool, but there are better manuals to buy there

[reef isle]

They all have a flaw though, they wouldn't be about the Mercure

[hollow oracle]

You’re already dead, just buy it

[reef isle]

I did actually buy it

Thanks to weak dollar it was just 9€ as well

So I actually saved 1€ (don't look into it, it's not mental gymnastics, it's just how currencies work 👍)

[rustic charm]

Yeah, but is it genuinely saving, or just comparing to what you would’ve paid at a different point in time

Of course now when you are Euro-based and pay something in USD, it will be cheaper than some time ago when dollar and euro were basically 1:1

But I just keep remembering the times when 1 USD was ₽60, and comparing to that, I’m pretty much always paying 150% for stuff

[rustic charm]

Well, half past one in the morning, I think it’s a perfect time to fly xD

Gonna go for Juneau - Seattle

[trim harbor]

10 fps typa deal

ohwell i landed atleast

[rustic charm]

Eh that seems alright

[hollow oracle]

That would be a top 10 landing for me 🥲

I feel like Gs are the way to go with measuring a landing, because you could have a super steep descent but a smooth flare and touchdown

All fpm does is tell you your late approach rather than the actual landing, and even then a steep approach is required at some airports

I think vAmsys averages the last 5 seconds of your approach to get your fpm, which is horrible

You’d actually register a smooth landing if you floated for 5 seconds and then landed

[dusky leaf]

My track clip pro is showing signs of dying - the clip itself. Cant fly without tracking now. Lokking into alternatives there is the delanclip and something called the luke clip. Anyone tried?

[trim harbor]

i had a delanclip, i didnt like it

switched to trackir after not even 3 months

it's alot of finnicky work as well as DIY

[dusky leaf]

Might just get another track clip pro then I could DIY my current one with duc tape, but 😬

[trim harbor]

why does this keep happening

thank god for ils

[reef isle]

I have Delanclip and it works fine

And it was pretty much plug and play with Opentrack

[trim harbor]

japaense maintenance at an all time high

[trim harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybi2-bGP3Xc

$80

[tardy hedge]

oh jesus

turbulence central

[hollow oracle]

Honestly, not bad, and I think they’re making the right move by releasing it for 2020 first

[rustic charm]

And not even a vague release window lol

As for the price, I expected more in the 60-70 range with Bluebird being a new dev and all, but I think 80 is absolutely reasonable

[trim harbor]

redmoon

[rustic charm]

A320

Ngl I’ve been thinking more and more about getting the Fenix as of late

[trim harbor]

worth the investment

if theres any plane i'd buy again in msfs it'd be the fenix

[rustic charm]

But idk cause it would really be learning to fly from ground up, airbuses scare me

[trim harbor]

airbus isnt too diff from boeing

[rustic charm]

Plus if I’m buying, I’m getting the 319/321 too. I really want the 319, it’s cute

[trim harbor]

rossiya a319

such a sex livery

[rustic charm]

Oh hell yeah

[hollow oracle]

the A319 is surprisingly hard to land

[trim harbor]

im gonna relearn the 742 later today

[rustic charm]

Seeing the 319s depart Vnukovo is always fun, especially when they are using the runways facing towards Moscow

Somehow the 319 looks the coolest when doing that drawn out turn away from the city

[trim harbor]

a321 my fav small a32X family member

319/321

[rustic charm]

Tbh all are cool, the 319 is just really cute I guess

[trim harbor]

a318 my love

[rustic charm]

Does anyone operate it actually

[trim harbor]

air france does

i've seen it last year at nice

[rustic charm]

Also shame that the only one in MSFS is LVFR

[rustic charm]

Yeah that’s cute

[rustic charm]

Is that a real livery?

[trim harbor]

xplane hates my pc

[trim harbor]

sadly not

[rustic charm]

Yeah, looks rather cool tbh

But ANA only has the Hawaiian 380s doesn’t it

[trim harbor]

correct

thats the only route it runs on as well sadly

[rustic charm]

Yeah, it’s a shame no other routes get those

[trim harbor]

it doesnt really make sense to do it

not many airports support the a380

nor is there demand

for inner domestic routes a 747 would make sense but

they're retired

[hollow oracle]

my brother did a transatlantic jetblue flight, and one of my souvineers from his trip was the jetblue eyemask and earplug pouch thing, because he knows i like planes

(he also saved one of his paris metro tickets for me, and a cool challenge coin from normandy, but neither are aviation related )

[trim harbor]

i got fed up and just bought a new gpu

cba with this terrible software

[rustic charm]

Yep, domestic 747s are a fun thing ngl

Who else but Japan

(Well Rossiya still flies 747s and all of those flights are domestic, but routes like Moscow - Anadyr are very different from where Japan used to send 747s )

Also fun fact, all the 747s Rossiya has originally came from JAL

[trim harbor]

it doenst make sense to run 747s in the long run

they werent that full

and the train is still the ultimate competition as well as the bus (suprising i know)

atleast from what i saw personally

[rustic charm]

Well yeah, if there isn’t the demand for it really

[trim harbor]

even the inner domestic flights on a 777/787 arent full lol

i dont think i was ever on a full one

even during peak times

[rustic charm]

Especially considering that indeed, Japan has exceptional domestic railway and coach infrastructure

[trim harbor]

the young pop of jp doesnt have too much money, bus has become more popular, especially night buses

they're not bad

i paid i think around $60 for a 'vip' night bus for a 9 or 10 hour ride

which was fine

train is mad expensive but obviously the most convienient - and japan is all about that

[rustic charm]

I can say though my roundtrip to Sochi in a 747 was actually full, and that is the only short route they still fly here. Other routes are all like 8-hour hauls to the far east. And those flights get heavily subsidised by the government, and really, the 747s act more as freighters on those

[rustic charm]

That doesn’t sound too bad

[trim harbor]

it's oke

no onboard toilet

there was a rest stop at 12 am and 4.30 am

[rustic charm]

How expensive are the trains though?

[trim harbor]

uhhhh

depends

[rustic charm]

Yeah that’s not ideal

[trim harbor]

hold on

one moment

@rustic charm

that's an off peak service

first option is non reserved - 4960 jpy ontop of the 8910 jpy base fare
second option is reserved - 5610 jpy ontop of the base fare
third option is green car (premium) 10480jpy ontop of the base fare

[rustic charm]

Okay, $96 for the cheapest option on a 2:30 ride is quite crazy

[trim harbor]

about 7534 rub

the plane is cheaper

funnily enough

plane is about 11890jpy

[rustic charm]

Btw, what kind of service is that?

I assume high speed?

[trim harbor]

for train? shinkansen

bullet train\

[rustic charm]

Cause I’m looking at tickets here to compare, and the Sapsan doesn’t seem less expensive (although tbf I am looking at tickets just 2 days from now, obviously it’s always cheaper to book earlier)

[trim harbor]

i find it expensive af

from a person living there standpoint

[rustic charm]

(Aurora costs just half that though, but it’s not comparable to Shinkansen I’d say)

[rustic charm]

Well yeah, it’s definitely not cheap

[reef isle]

would it cost less if you bought it in advance?

(the train ticket, replied to the wrong message)

[trim harbor]

Plane yes, train not so much

[reef isle]

Ugh ok

[trim harbor]

Depends on where u book it as well

Online theres usually a discount for it on select sites

Though I think those require residency

Idrk

[trim harbor]

carrier deck on a runway is fancy

bunch of honret

[trail monolith]

Hornets* 😉

[hollow oracle]

how hard is it to learn helicopters?

[trim harbor]

uh

well

if you know they work \

and understand it

not too hard

easy to learn, hard to master imho

depends on which helicopter too

[trail monolith]

What game are you refering to?

[hollow oracle]

really anything, just curious tbh

the most helicopter experience i have is GTA V

ive only tried to fly a helicopter in MSFS once and it was terrifiying and i crashed almost instantly

[rustic charm]

From what I’ve heard, don’t judge your helicopter abilities by MSFS

[echo gorge]

X-plane and dcs generally have the best helicopters

If you want stick and rudder helos, I'd give the dcs huey a trial

[dusky leaf]

Give the msfs ones a go, they are very easy in comparison to the others. If you enjoy that then as Doc said the DCS trial system is great. I would trial the KA50 though as its the easiest to fly

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[trim harbor]

huey takes alot of getting used to though

ka50 is the best for getting into helis overall like ximm said

from then move down the ladder on what route you prefer

if rather a transport pilot or combat pilot

and then opfor or blufor

opfor helis are usually more hands on but more fun (imo)

blufor helis have all the cool shit and are easier to fly

[tardy hedge]

i dont know if i should keep playing on xp12 or switch to msfs 2024

[dusky leaf]

You dont have to chose, fly both.

[hollow oracle]

i cant win with MSFS, now its crashing

i havent installed any mods or anything since the last time i played

games without an easily accessible log file should be a crime

[rustic charm]

MSFS be like

[hollow oracle]

huh, DX12 turned itself on for some reason, i dont think ive ever turned it on outside of testing stuff

[untold finch]

The thing about the Ka-50 is that it doesn't fly all that much like a helicopter due to the coaxial rotors

The Huey is sadly turbofucked since the "engine update" that gave it more torque than a BNSF intermodal service

I think that the Kiowa Warrior is probably the most like a civilian helicopter, and can be pretty easily flown with all the aids turned off
That said, the Hind is the best helicopter in DCS by a country mile because it does everything and looks good doing it

I've no idea if they've sorted the Apache out yet, that thing had so many "work in progress" asterisks on its flight model when I quit

Chinook is DoA, I wouldn't bother even looking at it

genuinely one of the few things i miss about DCS

[hollow oracle]

idk, after trying out the DCS trial system, im not a fan

i got to play around with it for like 2 days before starting that nightmare job that i ended up quitting anyway, so i didnt get to actually do anything with it

so now im left with the A-10A and casaucus again

[untold finch]

that seems more like personal circumstances rather than an issue with the trial?

[hollow oracle]

still crashing

[untold finch]

you get another go with that aircraft 6 months after the first go, at least

and you can trial anything else right now

[hollow oracle]

still havent gotten MSFS working, i might need to dump my entire community folder and reinstall everything fresh

[hollow oracle]

yeah, i have no clue what's causing the crash, i managed to load into the cockpit after uninstalling FSUIPC, and then it crashed a few seconds after

couatl for GSX maybe? at least from event viewer its crashing alongside MSFS, and it would explain why i was able to go into the cockpit for a few seconds before i crashed, couatl/GSX was still launching

[hollow oracle]

https://flightsim.to/file/92827/boeing-777f-the-simpsons

what in the autism is this

where is graggle simpson

[hollow oracle]

now im getting massive performance issues with MSFS that ive never had before

i might actually be done with flight sims

my mouse camera controls are horrible, it jitters and slips

whatever, my PC has almost a week of uptime, and for some reason task manager is showing a billion explorer.exe tasks open, among a ton of other duplicated apps open too, so hopefully i can shut it off, and then when i turn it on in the morning itll be better

[dusky leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDO1FRrXHQU

[hollow oracle]

malawarelabs a321neo is out

hard to say no though, i want a 321neo and LVFR is just not good

$70 isnt bad for a high-fidelity aircraft either

[hollow oracle]

i bet it was a memory issue, no more mouse jittering and slipping, smooth camera movements now

it doesnt help that im at RKSI, and the pacsim scenery is not easy to render by any means

[untold finch]

(from another discord)
yeah... the flight model is a bit... uh...

[reef isle]

only flew around a little bit so far

hope I'll have enough time to do a proper flight later tonight

than I'm away until Monday afternoon 😭

[echo gorge]

How've you liked it so far though

[reef isle]

It's really really cool, I only had one weird electrical issue, I couldn't manage to close the battery ties, so the batteries weren't actually recharging and doing the non normal checklist didn't help. Good chance it was either user error, or a weird input combination that caused a weird bug, so I'm bothered.

Flight model seems decent, sounds are good, and systems, as far as I've understood and played with are great fun 😄

[echo gorge]

I've quite liked the black square stuff I've had and this looks like yet another step up

[reef isle]

this is actually my first black square plane, so I'm very much looking forward to flying it 😄

[untold finch]

I loved the black square stuff in 2020, have they ported it to 2024?

[echo gorge]

I have the tbm and I really liked it with the exception of its mediocre sounds, but given this has boris' work I expect it'll sound incredible

[untold finch]

Boris is top tier

[reef isle]

Went from the Beech final assembly in Wichita to KGCK just because I found this

https://funplacestofly.com/funflydetails.asp?id=2789

if anyone has any other reccomendations of where to fly I'd gladly listen

I'll have to do some pattern work first though, this thing is really strange to land

[rustic charm]

Just finished the first leg of a Jet2 delivery, not the 737 sits at Halifax

It’s fun how my most-flown transcontinental America route is Boeing Field - Halifax

All others I have flown just once

[reef isle]

hah

nice

[rustic charm]

This one is the third - all on deliveries, Aeroflot 737, TUI 737, Jet2 737 now

[trail monolith]

What's next on the list?

[reef isle]

I think apart from this one that, I haven't flown any delivery flights so far

[rustic charm]

Actually there is 4 actually

There was a Sterling 727 there too

But

We don’t talk about how that landed

We don’t talk about that 727

[trail monolith]

As long as it lands i say it's fine

[rustic charm]

Well, it ended up on the runway is what I’d call it

[trail monolith]

That's good enough 😉

[rustic charm]

I deemed it a hull loss, cause in such circumstances as that, something similar to Delta’s Toronto would’ve happened if we had damage physics

[rustic charm]

But well, next depends. If you mean just the next delivery, I’ll need to finish the delivery of an Everts DC-9 at some point. I also need to finish a delivery of an AirFlorida 727, that poor thing is literally sitting at St. Petersburg, FL, a 30-minute flight away from its base in Miami

Next on the list between Boeing Field and Halifax is either a second attempt at Sterling 727 (the plane will then go from Sterling to DanAir) or an S7 737

Really need to learn livery creation here

Will be lots of help in doing realistic deliveries

Plus tbf considering a friend of mine and I are kinda trying to set up a VA, being able to at least make some liveries would be of great help

[full plank]

finally get to uninstall that LatinVFR crap from my pc

[rustic charm]

Nice

[rustic charm]

Tbh I’m considering getting the A320 myself. Not FSL, probably will go with the current full Fenix package, but I do kinda want the A320 now

[tired pond]

Get the fenix

[rustic charm]

Halifax is very welcoming

At the very least, I'm leaving xD

[rustic charm]

Jet2 holidays would’ve been 100 times cooler if we had a 757

Dear Bluebird, can we before the end of 2025 at least please

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-i-need-it-i-don’t-need-it-i-definitely-don’t-need-it-thirsty-gif-17101453146721253330

ive only flown the 722F twice since ive gotten it, so maybe one i get a little more used to how it works

thank god FSS didnt fuck up the 722s like they did their e-jets though, the 722s are actually great to fly

[hollow oracle]

ignore the neon purple man, for some reason GSX doesnt want to display people textures

[hollow oracle]

gotta get some fresh air

i had it open for taxi and didnt even realize that it was still open for takeoff and climb

okay, something isnt correct

for some reason the gear came down AGAIN in the 727 and almost caused me to stall

[hollow oracle]

now my pressurization panel broke completely

[hollow oracle]

shame, the new 727 update broke the aircraft pretty badly

pressurization panel is completely bugged and the nosewheel doesnt steer

FCR has been ending replays like 30 seconds early too

i click end recording, it all goes fine, adn then when i replay it, its missing the last 30 seconds of flight

this time it was mostly just taxiing to the gate thankfully, but the last flight i did, it was the entire landing

it really didnt fucking help that oakland was 15kts 30kts gusting too, and i was overspeed because im not used to the 727s manual throttles, so i went to flare and i shot up like 50ft

if i actually did go arounds when i should, i would have 5 flights completed on volanta

the autopilot on approach was rocking like crazy, and at times it was going from +10 to -10deg pitch

[rustic charm]

Weather in Seattle is shit right now…

Doing KRNT to KBFI in a 727

I don’t see anything

Welp, landed fine enough

Now for Boeing Field to Minneapolis-St. Paul

This time ILS actually went rather normally

But I’ve had it pitch down aggressively in the past too

Most of the time I either disconnect early and fly by hand or follow the glideslope in vert speed anyway

[rustic charm]

Loaded back into KBFI for the leg to KMSP

Now it’s raining too

[rustic charm]

Cruising over Idaho for now

No issues at all

And finally the update fixed the aircraft shutting down when you close all 3 generator breakers (for some reason I always had to keep one disengaged on the previous version, otherwise the plane would shut down fully)

Gonna be doing lots of flights out of MSP with this one