Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[reef isle]

yeah that's a shame

I think if you go on the Vatrus website it lists addons

[rustic charm]

Yeah it does iirc

[reef isle]

it also has charts, which is great since Navigraph sometimes doesn't

especially for the more remote airports

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah

Tbh I don’t have Navigraph

Usually use chartfox

But it sometimes doesn’t have stuff either

[reef isle]

that's fair enough, I mostly have it just because of the convenience and because I got so used to it

Discord compression didn't totally kill it yay

[hollow oracle]

im not getting the MD-80

horrible takeoff, horrible setup, its designed like shit with no actual comprehensive flow, i think its a miracle that there wasnt more fatalities than there were

i spent almost 5 hours learning how to set it up and take off, and i have to restart because takeoff has the pilot doing 8 billion things while also worrying about flying hte plane

its literally like if i designed an aircraft

[reef isle]

Can I do something to help?

I'm pretty familiar with the MD-80

[hollow oracle]

im just not compatible with how its built

[reef isle]

fair enough, if you want any videos or explanation let me know

[hollow oracle]

the 747-200 is a significantly easier aircraft to fly and its 20 years older, which is really saying something about both how my brain works and how poorly designed the MD-80 is

[echo gorge]

The md80 flows actually make a lot of sense once you get used to them, it's just not using the boeing or airbus family design languages

If it doesn't click for you then fair enough, but they're actually very cleverly laid out cockpits.

[reef isle]

(apart from the stby compass)

[echo gorge]

Part of the issue I think is that Douglas put a lot of work into having tactile differences, so different switches (especially important ones) had unique shapes, but that's just not helpful in a sim

There's a neat YouTube video from ~10 years ago of an American maddog captain going over all the neat features of the md80 cockpit if you're interested

[reef isle]

I didn't know that, but it makes perfect sense

thinking about it, it's true

I think the most obvious example is the little airfoil shaped pitot heat switch

[full plank]

haram gaming

[rustic charm]

Well I’m not familiar with the MD-80 (although I do really really want to buy it) but from my limited experience with the DC-6 I can also say that Douglas planes are really cleverly made

[reef isle]

not having flown this in 3 months it's been rough, but I didn't fall too much behind the aircraft, even though I make some mistakes, so that was good 😅

NVU+RSBN was definitely the right call, I would have totally forgotten how that worked if I didn't practice it a bit

[rustic charm]

Honestly I really gotta try a jet DC/MD, cause I wanted to add “just very different to what you’d be used to on Boeings” but of course the DC-6 is very different to the 727/737, it’s much older and it’s a piston prop after all

[rustic charm]

Honestly I just so wish we had more Soviet stuff in MSFS. At least a Tu-154 is coming along nicely from the looks of it, that’s good already

[reef isle]

yep 😄

following the guy on patreon, and it does look good

[rustic charm]

I bet ini could quite easily make an An-124, it would take them not that much effort with the 225 already made

But of course, they won’t

[reef isle]

Yeah I think we already chatted about that in the past

I think they very very easily could

[rustic charm]

Yep

Tbh I just hope that at some point

Like, in a couple years

Big devs will start running out of modern Boeings and Airbuses to make

Cause even now the modern scene is rather picked apart

So with that comes my hope that eventually bigger devs will start going into the past and potentially make eastern aircraft

Though even then that’s unlikely cause there would be tons of western planes still to be made

Honestly though out of all the Soviet/Russian planes, my top pick would be the Il-86. If someone made one it’d be soooo cool

[echo gorge]

Found it https://youtu.be/7R0CViDUBFs?si=qTtLeplV8urBZ1Ym

They're absolutely janky planes, but they're just so cool

I miss the Delta 88 flights to PWM so damn much, I could always hear them in my apartment

[hollow oracle]

hopefully i can get at least 1 flight done today

[reef isle]

I have a message already written, tomorrow I'll ask in ini-general if they have any plans, I already know the only two options are either "they won't tell me" or "they will ignore me" but I don't care

[hollow oracle]

the last few times i tried to fly the zibo 737 was a straight up crash landing though, but that was also before i did some hard practicing, so i dont know

[echo gorge]

I always struggled landing the zibo, but that was near a decade ago and it's more than likely it was just a skill issue

[hollow oracle]

its very boeing-like, you need to get your approach speed perfect more than the landing itself, too fast and youll take forever to land, too slow and youll cut the throttles and instantly stall

i was on the slow side of things, which wasnt helping my bad technique

i almost stalled and crashed on approach into luxembourg the other day in the 747-200 because my approach speed was right on the edge, combined with me rushing to get down to speed

[reef isle]

I had to learn how to land fast, with the -200 with some gusts I have to keep Vref+15/20

[hollow oracle]

isnt the saying "add 10 for the wife and kids"?

[reef isle]

ahahah I guess so

usually I keep +5 if the weather is good

then i think the formula was gust/2 to get the additive

no, it was all of the gust

but capped at 20 (or 25?)

[rustic charm]

Well I’d cap at 20 too

Cause if gusts are more than 20

I’m diverting

But in fair weather I just add a standard 5

[reef isle]

yeah me too

[rustic charm]

What makes it worse is the lack of hardware, keyboard controlling the rudder is something I still can’t do xD

So yeah, I basically never touch it, only when it’s really necessary

Tbh I now think I should’ve tried to find some hardware while I was in China literally a couple days ago…

Surely I would’ve found something

There’s everything there xD

[hollow oracle]

damnit, no engine sound on the zibo 737s, i cant remember if i have a botched ftsim soundpack install or something

[hollow oracle]

All-time classic “I forgot I had a flight set up and I went to take a nap”

[trim harbor]

@reef isle @hollow oracle @echo gorge

Next weekend

Oh boy

[rustic charm]

Yeah, I’m excited

Gonna get some use out of Vnukovo with Utair

Sadly just the -500 for now

I do hope that the lifetime license ends up being a normal download and not an unlimited subscription though, cause I like just having a file saved in case what

At least iirc they promised that it’s gonna be available to purchase from Russia directly

[full plank]

get to do some BMI shit too, lovely

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah, BMI too

[hollow oracle]

Hm, I like the subscription idea when it comes to flight sim aircraft, you can pay just $5, try it out, and if you don’t like it then you can just cancel

I don’t know about the full one-time price though

[hollow oracle]

https://simpleflying.com/ryanair-consider-c919-over-737-if-cheap-enough/

[rustic charm]

Well tbf

C919 is not that bad of a plane

I’d quite like to see one in FS at some point

[full plank]

just don't have your mic turned on then, if you say ''Taiwan is a country'' the plane immediately cuts out both engines & you crash into the sea or something

[hollow oracle]

captainshart :(

you know product is bad when they dont even bother to change the model ident

[full plank]

hopefully you actually did realise that before you bought it

[hollow oracle]

i bought it AGES ago when i actually had income, didnt really bother flying it, and then i realized that it was not good

same with the 717

so now im stuck with both, its like a tumor on my MSFS content folder

[full plank]

don't worry, I own the LVFR A321 (knowing full well its complete doodoo)

[hollow oracle]

the LVFR A321 was actually worth it, because you can get the horizon mod with it, and it makes it somewhat flyable

[full plank]

can't wait for the FSLabs 321 neo so I can just nuke the LVFR one

also love the mysterious green gunk on the pedals

[hollow oracle]

id rather buy the toliss a321neo than the fslabs one

[full plank]

hm suit yourself, ToLiss is quite nice but textures are just ass

& the FSLabs aircraft for me just work tbh

I do own the Fenix aircraft, but having it stutter harder than a handicapped child on takeoff & landing just kills any immersion I have

[hollow oracle]

how good is the miltech C-17?

well, an even more specific question, how much better is it compared to the freeware one?

[rustic charm]

Everyone has something like that, don’t worry

Aeroplane Hell 707 for me

[trim harbor]

gonna be a funky dc6 flight

a first in 3 years

[rustic charm]

I did uninstall it though so it doesn’t bother me in the aircraft selection menu

[hollow oracle]

i almost bought that the other day, it was so tempting and then i saw it uses an FMS instead of CIVA and decided it wasnt worth it even as a joke

[rustic charm]

Oh it’s awful

I bought it with the thought “Well how bad can it be?”

I didn’t know it can be that bad

[hollow oracle]

going to give the MD-80 another shot :(

god help me

for some reason i cant get the FD cross bar option to work in the load manager, i have it set and ive tried applying it in several ways, but its always the single cue

which just isnt helping my case, i really suck at flying single cue

i will say that, for its time, the annunciator panel is fucking awesome, i love how its like an older EICAS

my time off is better this time at least, from 5 hours down to 20 mins

it helps when your not watching 3 hours of tutorials, learning everything for the first time, and also skipping some unimportant checks to do in a sim

[hollow oracle]

actually not a bad set up, taxi, and takeoff, we're climbing nicely

[hollow oracle]

this is from the other day, i did the thing

[hollow oracle]

https://youtube.com/shorts/jhjmwPoiZWc?si=DBHXSiYoS_eW7Hi_

[hollow oracle]

i think i died when landing the MD-80

my one wheel must have touched down first, and i chaseplane froze or something, so it looked like i had smashed my head into the side window and died

wasnt hard but it was off-center and on one wheel

i was sinking HARD just before the runway threshold too, you really cant try to cheat the glideslope in this

on most aircraft i like to cheat the glideslope low a bit towards the threshold, so i can kind of give myself room to float a bit, but i guess not in the MD-80

[reef isle]

and people complain that this plane is ugly....

https://fycyc.com/
@rustic charm

hopefully they come back

they've disappeared for a while

I signed up and couldn't buy it, my account got deleted a few days later

[rustic charm]

Shame

[reef isle]

Can you tell I'm a bit obsessed with this livery

it's genuinely one of the main reasons why I bought the plane in the first place

[rustic charm]

Well it’s a nice livery

Bright and colourful

[trim harbor]

@reef isle @echo gorge @rustic charm

We got a second contender

Apparently

I havent even heard of this one

[reef isle]

it's still the same

(CSS)

[trim harbor]

What

$120 for a css addon

Cant be

No way right

[reef isle]

Yeah

[trim harbor]

Holy shit what

[rustic charm]

It is

[reef isle]

It's the same CSS 737-500

[trim harbor]

Wtf have I been missing out on

Who at their hq smokes some hard crack

[reef isle]

CSS is not captain sim

[rustic charm]

^^

[reef isle]

it's a new dev

[trim harbor]

Oh

Bruh im so confused oh my days

[rustic charm]

Commercial Simulation Systems

[reef isle]

it's either that or pay for the subscription

[trim harbor]

I thought Cs is releasing theirs this weekend

[rustic charm]

Nope

[trim harbor]

And css is some new contender

[reef isle]

CS isn't doing a 737 at all

[trim harbor]

Bruh 💀

[reef isle]

CS (Captain Sim)

[rustic charm]

I didn’t even know CS was doing a 737

[trim harbor]

Did I get cs and css mixed up all the time

Probs

[reef isle]

They're not

[rustic charm]

Yeah it looks like it

[reef isle]

yep 😄

[rustic charm]

CSS actually haven’t yet released anything for flight simulators

[trim harbor]

Im interested in the 737 classic though

I might actually buy it

[rustic charm]

But as far as I know they are a company who used to make professional flight simulators (like full on cockpits) and they at least used to be headquartered in Moscow

Which also explains why they promised to make direct purchases from Russia possible, after all that makes sense if they’re Russian

[trim harbor]

Dont mention that it was hq‘d in moscow

[rustic charm]

I know some people might take it rather sharply xD

[trim harbor]

Sadly

[rustic charm]

I reckon that’s why they don’t mention anything about their location now

[rustic charm]

Well, thankfully at least here I’ve not experienced any issues, so can speak freely

Tbh for now when I mentioned being Russian in flight sim discords the main reply I got was “You must see lots of cool planes” xD

[trim harbor]

I agree

Russian aviation W

[rustic charm]

Well tbh, all aviation is

I love western and eastern aircraft equally, the only issue is that eastern ones are underrepresented

Both in reality and in flight sims in fact

[echo gorge]

If it's good that'll be worth the price imo

[rustic charm]

Yeah

Well

Eventually

Because that 5/month 50/year 120/forever covers all of the Classics

So eventually you’ll get -400 and -300 as well, including freighters

[echo gorge]

Checks out, a significant percentage of the best flight sim devs are russian or Ukrainian

[rustic charm]

So essentially you’d be buying a promise for now. Which in this case I’m kinda willing to do

I still hope that the 120/forever is not a forever subscription but an actual purchase though

Cause I want to be able to download it, have it in my files in case what and not rely on anyone’s servers

[hollow oracle]

I’ll give it a shot with the subscription, but it has to be like nothing short of the fenix to get me to buy the full thing

Also, last night I found out that the VTOL VR modding scene has gone insane

There’s an official steam app for mods now, an there’s and A-10 and F-16, all with custom missions and everything

The last time I played with VTOL VR mods it was just like, anime girls on the exterior and that’s kinda it

[reef isle]

I got the IXEG to FOMO-proof myself

Between the subscription and the fact those people haven't released anything before I'm very skeptical

[rustic charm]

I’m just hopeful lol

But for now it looks good

What I’ll probably do is first pay for a monthly subscription to just try it out, and then if I think it’s quality buy it

[hollow oracle]

i've heard IXEG's support team is really good if you buy the XP12 version and request the XP11 one

[trim harbor]

the ixeg is kinda mid

[reef isle]

with the RG mod is decent

[reef isle]

I tried and they ghosted me

well

[trim harbor]

you can tell it's xplane 10

ngl

[reef isle]

there was some jiggery pokery

[hollow oracle]

damnit, i was planning on trying that

[trim harbor]

havent ever tried the rg mod

[hollow oracle]

the RG mod stuff is so confusing

[trim harbor]

iderk what it does tbh

[hollow oracle]

you have to have a VK account, which requires your phone number, and then you have to send a donation to a link and then be added to the group

[reef isle]

Most importantly, it adds the -500 and -400 and freighter variants

and also it also improves the cockpit interaction

so you aren't forced to click and drag

systems are flight model are good enough for me

It's good enough for me to not feel like I need that MSFS addon

so that's all I needed it to do

[trim harbor]

msfs runs better than xp for me

so i'll prob cater to the audience of the css one

[reef isle]

They're about the same for me

I tuned the graphics setting until it ran well enough

(for both)

MSFS obviously looks better, most of the times

[rustic charm]

Oh that sounds fun

Tbh I don’t quite like VK, especially buying stuff through it

[hollow oracle]

im so hit-or-miss with DCS, i've heard its possible to play it comfortably with a controller because you can use modifier buttons, but i've also heard that you really cant play it without a full HOTAS

i use a hybrid setup, i still use my mouse and keyboard for sort of secondary functions and cameras, and the controller is vital flight controls and things that i need easily accessible

i joined the DCS discord and there's an entire group dedicated to flying with just a gamepad

i think i might give the FC3 A-10A a shot, its only like $15

[hollow oracle]

I forgot that you have the HUD in all fighter aircraft, with the whole course indicator bubble in navigation mode

Which makes landing visually insanely easy

I’m watching tutorials for the FC3 A-10A, and I really don’t like how everything is keyboard controls, but I also don’t entirely hate it either, because it means that things like radios and garbage don’t need tended to, which is pretty important for a noob like me

I’m also kind of interested in pivoting my sights on MSFS fighter aircraft maybe? Especially a high fidelity one, I can focus on navigation on that and combat in DCS

[hollow oracle]

Bought the A-10A, I watched a full tutorial series and got very excited

I have rough concepts of some controller bindings that I would be cool with too

[echo gorge]

I expect (but don't know) that the fc3 planes should be decently doable with a controller

I'd also suggest giving the free su-25t a go, its a lot of fun

[reef isle]

If there's ONE thing MSFS does really well is metallic liveries

Also US 777 domestic flights is just

Big shame that CLT-MIA/FLL is a new route so I couldn't fly that with bare metal

but MIA-DFW is fun too (although a bit long)

Landor next probably

[rustic cedar]

based landor

[rustic charm]

Meanwhile here I’m flying Sterling

Well, about to take off tbf

[reef isle]

Is it the airline that would later become Cimber Sterling?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Sterling_Caravelle_in_Basel.jpg

[rustic charm]

Yep

That’s the one

[reef isle]

Nice 😄

727?

[rustic charm]

Yeah

A delivery for now

Boeing Field to Halifax

In some 4 and a half hours I’ll be down on the island

And after that, probably tomorrow, I’ll take it over the Atlantic

Will have to get creative though because going from Halifax to Copenhagen in one hop is not possible

[reef isle]

greenland stopover?

I think that's the "default" place at which to stop

[rustic charm]

Well, if I go north it’s probably better to use Iceland

[reef isle]

they're both on the same route more or less

[rustic charm]

Yeah, Iceland would just be closer to a midpoint

Though when I took the Pan Am 727 to Tempelhof I didn’t use either

I initially planned for Cork but pushed further to Cardiff

[reef isle]

Just checked and in terms of total distance they're almost equivalent

so... 🤷

there's like a 40NM difference if you stop in Iceland instead of Greenland

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah the total distance is almost the same

But Halifax - Somewhere in Greenland is gonna be much shorter than Somewhere in Greenland - Copenhagen

Whereas Halifax - Keflavik and Keflavik - Copenhagen would be a more even split of the total route I think

Plus tbh I don’t even know any airports in Greenland

With Iceland I at least know where to go

[trim harbor]

w plane

[rustic charm]

Well it appears we didn’t even have to discuss crossing the Atlantic for this 727 anyway, it won’t be going to Copenhagen in the end

[trim harbor]

felis tu154 is for xp12 beta now

W

[rustic charm]

Which is a less sad way of saying “I crashed, the plane is a writeoff”

[trim harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/live/LCjtkWwiB6Y

wish i took russian seriously in school sometimes

[rustic charm]

As a Russian native I can say

The language is hell

[trim harbor]

it cannot be worse than japanese

i learned it and i speak it fluent

i know russian sucks

but its PROBABLY not as bad

[hollow oracle]

what are the VR goggles for in the center console???

is that like a radar scope? how would you even check it like that?

[rustic charm]

Well tbh I can’t compare to Japanese, I haven’t even considered learning it tbh

All Asian languages scare me

But Russian is just rather illogical and has wayyy too many exceptions of the rules

And some rules do not make sense at all either

Spoken Russian is more or less fine, but writing correctly is such a pain

[trim harbor]

brings back memories

terrible writing i had

[trim harbor]

its not that bad

everything is possible with enough willingness

languages takes years tho

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah

Tbh even to properly learn English, which is relatively easy, it takes years

[trim harbor]

yes

i think english took me atleast 7-8 years to speak it in a native way/tongue

japanese prob less but i had a tutor for that one

[rustic charm]

Idk honestly how much English took me

To get the level I have now? Well, my whole life xD

But I don’t really remember at which point I started being able to speak more or less fluently

[reef isle]

you want me to record stuff like that?

I've done loads of VATSIM flights w/ full control with the 154 and 134

(using RSNB and their inertial nav as well)

[rustic charm]

Gotta at some point try Vatsim for the sake of flying with Russian controllers

For the rest of the world BATC does the job, but trying Russian could be fun

[reef isle]

I think speaking italian with italian ATC is probably the most fun I've had

and I mean "fun" in the sense that it was actually funny

me and my friends have seen so many videos of whack italian pilots being very unprefessional in a very funny way (especially in the 2000s), and we're "accidentaly" recreated lots of goofy stuff

I'll share a few clips from a legendary video (that are still funny even without understanding italian)

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxvtzPkFkzstiXMCiN3OLlnOKdXirySMyn?si=zuEHekWDp7K4axcC

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxhWla_viwocbFJA3Lm5SfM_42hbp3a9j4?si=1RW4n0Em67sxPPBI

[hollow oracle]

DCS has this really cool passive effect where they make you want to buy everything, much like MSFS

i got the A-10A, and then i saw you can get the persian gulf for $50, which is the largest map in DCS and is only 35GB to install, plus its perfect for the A-10, and now im fighting the urge to hold off on buying it until i figure out the A-10

the default black sea map should be good for some fictional cold war battles with the A-10... hopefully

[untold finch]

Don't worry, at the current rate content is being removed from the store almost as fast as it's being added

[hollow oracle]

dont say that, now FOMO is going to be on top of everything

[untold finch]

But yeah I wouldn't buy Persian Gulf at this point, it's a very mid map compared to more modern stuff

the state of the art is Syria and Germany
Germany is brand new, so probably won't be discounted much soon, but Syria is on sale every other month honestly

[hollow oracle]

i mean, it kinda fits the bill as far as A-10 ops goes, maybe an afghanistan map or iraq would be the runner-up

[untold finch]

the A-10 operated over Syria too

The Persian Gulf map is frustrating because it doesn't include what you'd expect
It's really a "US and their Arab allies versus Iran" map

there's no Iraq, no Qatar, etc

the map was made when it was looking likely that there'd be an escalation between Iran and the west over oil

[hollow oracle]

hm, hows the east/south afghanistan maps? cheaper and smaller, which might fit the bill for a beginner like me

[untold finch]

The Iraq map as it stands is just GWoT stuff, so no Desert Storm, as you can't fly from Saudi yet
Afghanistan - the A-10A never really operated there, but...
both maps are pretty early access, and are being developed at a glacial pace - they promised 3 months between segments and it's turning out to be more like a year between them

[hollow oracle]

ehhhh, im willing to take some creative liberty as far as A-10 variants goes

[untold finch]

fair enough

if you're after multiplayer, Syria and Caucasus (the free one) are the big two, though I suspect Germany will catch up as it's a green map that isn't almost 3 decades old

for singleplayer, anything works really - i've had fun flying the Strike Eagle (RIP, gone but not forgotten) around the Andes

truly the best of times

[hollow oracle]

(as of right now) im still interested in upgrading to the A-10C eventually, so maybe one of the afghanistan maps would be the best fit, instead of going for the persian gulf just for the A-10A

[untold finch]

yeah, the A-10C (and upgraded A-10C II, which is really just a later software suite) is probably the most solid module in the game - it is the second oldest full fidelity aircraft after all

[trim harbor]

f15 :(

they finally took it off sale didnt they

[untold finch]

other modules that are definitely worth considering:

• Anything by Heatblur, the Viggen, Phantom and Tomcat - all fairly "hands-on" aircraft, interesting to fly, very good at the missions they're designed for
• Mi-24P Hind, I've probably flown this more than everything else in the game combined by now, it's just the best helicopter for the variety of stuff you will do with it and the way it flies
• Deka's JF-17 - very modern aircraft, perhaps a little bit of creative license in terms of how close it is to the real thing, but it's had a lot of love poured into it
• Aerges' Mirage F1 - it's still early access and the radar definitely needs a rework, but you get 3 (and soon 4) variants for the price of 1 and it's an absolute blast to fly

things i'd avoid:

• warbirds; they're beautifully made and fly incredibly, but DCS' WW2 environment is barely even half cooked, it's been neglected for ages, none of the warbirds are really from the same part of the war, it's just an incoherent mess
• the korean birds; again, they exist in a game that doesn't really have any korean war assets
• anything by polychop; sad to say, because they really turned their reputation around, but the CEO is an arse and caused the whole dev team to quit, so these modules are currently without any real support
• the MiG-21; cool plane, one of the more versatile soviet aircraft in game, but the devs work slower than molasses and the promises of a revamp are pretty much vaporware at this point
• the F-16 and F/A-18; they're okay, but when you learn about just how much is missing and how long they've been "working on them" you'll just be sad

[untold finch]

yeah, all of the Razbam-developed modules are gone from the store now for the time being; unlikely that they'll be back I guess

[trim harbor]

rip harrier

[hollow oracle]

at least from what ive been able to find, the A-10A and C both served in eastern afghanistan at different time periods?

that's kind of what ive been able to piece together as the best all-around map for both

i could be completely wrong

[untold finch]

so it did

i always forget how "new" the A-10C is

first one was 2005

[hollow oracle]

that kinda seems like the best option if i want to use both A-10s eventually

[untold finch]

if you just want to plink at ground targets then it's ideal

[hollow oracle]

though, i loaded into DCS for the first time ever and the amount of shit you get bombarded with is terrifiying

[untold finch]

no real air wars over afghanistan

[hollow oracle]

i would rather eat glass than do A2A in an A-10

[untold finch]

it's surprisingly capable in a WVR engagement, because it has excellent instantaneous turn rate, just awful sustained turn rate

[hollow oracle]

it has the capabilitiy for A2A defense, but its not really built for it

[untold finch]

indeed

they did have a few techniques for it though

i think the idea was that they'd form a very tight circle with their wingman and lob sidewinders at anything that got too close

but yeah that presumes that the opponent has just stumbled upon you and hasn't already R-27ed you from 15 miles away

[echo gorge]

I'd love to recommend the French dorito, sadly it's no longer available

More seriously the fc3 su-25 is very fun, and I can't recommend the viggen enough

The more modern stuff a10c, viper, hornet, ends up just being computer systems management, which while it's evidently popular with some players, is not for everyone

[rustic cedar]

FC3 stuff is good for like

jumping in

not so deep, everything works pretty much the same on all FC3 stuff

buttons/binds wise atleast

[hollow oracle]

DCS' control bindings are just

regular is flight controls, right bumper is weapons, left bumper is additional flight controls (like trim), both bumpers are defenses

[rustic cedar]

i only just have enough buttons on my hotas

really like my f-16 binds though, feels good

[hollow oracle]

thank you discord very cool

[hollow oracle]

definitely a little bit happy that i didnt jump in head-first into this

this was almost exactly 60 seconds after takeoff, i took off, made my turn to the first waypoint, and instantly got nailed

i forgot to bind countermeasures, and i thought i could outmaneuver it like an F-18, in an A-10

im just setting up an extremely basic air-to-ground setup, some waypoints to loop me around, a SAM setup on the ground, some convoy to hit, and whatever airport targets they have there

[hollow oracle]

mark it down, babbys first kill

(i died 60 seconds after)

i dont get it

guns work obviously, dumb bombs and CCIP works, but AGM-65s dont

i can move the target designator, and i can lock onto a target (even though it doesnt look like im locked onto anything?), and then when i release it just goes off into nowhere, doesnt even hit anything

[hollow oracle]

my brain is stuck on close air "combat" instead of close air support too, im trying to be 100% engaged with the ground at all times when that's just not realistic

you really need to do long sweeping passes for targeting, getting set up with bombs, and then dropping them, and my brain is just like "okay i have a target, now i need to turn around immediately and head back in"

It’s literally 30 seconds of high intensity, and then 2 minutes of flying out a few nm to get a good turn back in to go again

[trail monolith]

I heard the beautiful viggen mentioned ❤️

[reef isle]

it depends what weapons you're using

[untold finch]

Are the gates (crosshairs) "shaking" when they're locked?

[untold finch]

Indeed, though getting into the habit of giving yourself some standoff range is definitely something that will help later on

[echo gorge]

Coin ops are such bs, imagine not having to only make a single pass because you've got a low threat environment SMH my head

One run in one run out is the proper way

[reef isle]

@rustic cedar Landor time

[rustic cedar]

[rustic charm]

Folks

Anyone know if we have all the airports for Continental’s island hopper in MSFS?

[hollow oracle]

No, once I lock a target, it stays locked until I release, AGM-65

[trim harbor]

what r the icaos

id honestly assume some freeware ya

[rustic charm]

Well United stops at PHNL (I know we have that one lol) PKMJ, PKWA, PTSA, PTPN, PTKK, PGUM

But Continental used to stop at PJON for a brief time

[hollow oracle]

https://youtube.com/shorts/keOIa6SQbnQ?si=I8-zehWDDurJ6CuM

honestly, VATSIM > IVAO

[echo gorge]

I will give ivao credit for their model library, I really appreciate that

But those models can be used on vatsim, which is the important part

[hollow oracle]

i think i figured out what i was doing wrong with bombing in the A-10, you have to start high and fast, and you are literally diving at 15-20 degrees

i was doing it at 3000ft at a 5-10 degree angle

it is literally like WW2 divebombing, you have to basically go nosedown into your target and wait for the release point

[hollow oracle]

im sort of getting used to the AGM-65s too, but targeting is still extremely finicky, the sensor refuses to lock onto actual targets, most of the time itll go for a building before a vehicle

ill start out 5 miles from the target, and i still wont get a lock once im straight overhead because it just keeps picking others

[dusky leaf]

Blown up a few lethal bushes in DCS 😆

[hollow oracle]

That’s another thing I struggle with too, really if you blow up a few ground targets, it’s a successful run

You don’t have to come in big dick swinging, trying to wipe out everything on the ground in red, as long as you get some it’s a success

Both because you’re very, very, very rarely going to be solo bombing, and the whole idea is that it’s supporting ground troops who are already fighting the targets

And even if you miss, having 66 rounds a second flying around you is going to make you less interested in fighting, though DCS doesn’t simulate morale or anything

[untold finch]

It does simulate suppression, but only for infantry, and it's fairly basic

[hollow oracle]

oh yeah, i started missing around with control curving, and i can get much finer control over using the cannon now

before i was spraying all over the place, i would do a run and it wouldnt even damage anything, now i have fine enough control where i can get some sort of accuracy

[hollow oracle]

it's like im hitting everywhere but the actual target with the cannon

im not even damaging them

this is after expending all of my rockets, all of my ammo, all of my bombs, everything, i maybe got 4-5 targets out of all of these

6/21 ground vehicles

it is up from the 3 i got last time

[hollow oracle]

i dont think i get DCS

[hollow oracle]

i never thought i would end up preferring to fly the MD-80 over the A-10, but here we are

[hollow oracle]

things are going as good as ever, it was dark in the cockpit and instead of hitting the TOGA switch i hit the fuel cutoff

[hollow oracle]

and of course, just to cap it off, FCR doesnt record my landing

[reef isle]

IIRC the A-10 guns can pen T-64 only from certain angles, anything more modern/heavily armoured is going to be extremely difficult to kill with the gun. Especially anything with ERA

[hollow oracle]

i did not know that DCS simulated armor like that

[reef isle]

Not quite like that, but I think it does angle and basic thickness

[hollow oracle]

i am getting better with targeting at least, every time i practice i notice i do get a little better each time

i managed to land my minorly damaged aircraft after too

21 targets that i was aiming to eliminate, and i got 5

its just hard to wrap my head around, even if you just eliminate 1 person, just firing all of your ammuniton at the enemy and returning to base safely is considered a victory

dEpEnDiNg On ThE mIsSiOn

But like, if you’re doing just a “disrupt the enemy” type mission, it’s acceptable because firing a shit load of rockets and bullets and bombs at their position is going to disrupt them

[untold finch]

Have you made sure to turn on EAC while having the gun selected? This is a stability augmentation system for the A-10A used when firing the gun, was the precursor to PAC in the A-10C.

[hollow oracle]

Is it on by default?

I might have missed it in a tutorial if that’s the case tbh

[reef isle]

I think it's the first and second stage trigger

Or well, it's supposed to be

https://youtu.be/WILleBKvUKc?si=fu_ZLJD43PTx6b4u&t=9m28s

Gun Strafe Demo from 9:28

[untold finch]

In the A-10C, yes
In the A-10A, yes in reality, but sadly not in the game

[reef isle]

Oh

[untold finch]

According to reddit, Left-Alt + 4 should switch it on; I think it's off by default
Left-Alt + 5 to switch it off again

[hollow oracle]

Honestly, even though I’m pretty familiar with the A-10A at this point, I feel like the jump up to a full simulated system is going to hurt

So much more buttons and switches in weird places

Hopefully I can use the same concept, flight controls and important main functions like weapons on the controller, everything else like weapon setup and HUD things can be on the keyboard

[untold finch]

On full-fidelity modules, the ability to click switches with the mouse is super helpful

About 80% of the startup of the Hind is just clicking switches, I couldn't bind half of those without building a replica cockpit

[mortal furnace]

I just use Lwin+home key cba with click switches gets boring after the 3rd time

[trail monolith]

https://www.flightsimulator.com/msfs2024-sim-update-2

[trim harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-pa-AHMZUw

so many 747s

[rustic charm]

Kai Tak was a 747 heaven

[hollow oracle]

is it still garbage?

[trim harbor]

the short t7 is funny

looks better than the -300 imho

[agile oak]

Ik this is the wrong channel but this sounds like the MD-11 Overspeed Warning Ignore my voice

[trim harbor]

W airplane

Which one is it

[hollow oracle]

You don’t know the globemaster?

It is literally the best aircraft Boeing has ever produced

737, 777, 747, 787, all fine aircraft

But the C-17 is the crowning achievement of the company

[rustic charm]

Nah, that is absolutely wrong, 727 & 757

[echo gorge]

It's also literally the sole airplane Mcdonnell Douglas designed

[reef isle]

Yeah I was about to say

It'd be really sad if it was the best Boeing product considering it's not actually a Boeing aircraft

I'd argue that the 707 and the 737 are the best Boeing designs

777 and 757 as honourable mentions

[full plank]

off on another hop of the pond

[rustic cedar]

https://youtu.be/SzMu2UGm3G4

[ocean trellis]

Hot damn

Good thing i know how to read russian

[rustic cedar]

>me who can barely even read english

[trim harbor]

no i meant

who made it

[trim harbor]

hypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehype

[echo gorge]

Something to actually get me excited about dcs lol

Until ED inevitably fucks it up somehow

[trim harbor]

oh you know they will

[echo gorge]

No eots on early access or some other bs

[trim harbor]

just wait till the features list drops

that

[mortal furnace]

Cant have an SU27 but we can make an F35 from a youtube video 🤣 🤣 🤣

[mortal furnace]

Oh look its FC3 with clicky clicky switches who knew

[echo gorge]

I'm still mourning the mig23

Every time I see the germany map I just think how much fun that'd be against the phantom there

[rustic cedar]

wasn't the mig 23 razbam?

[mortal furnace]

yea giving us something different than nato shit

[reef isle]

The mod Is also dead 😭

There was a half decent mod by CubanAce

[echo gorge]

Yes

The 29 will be cool, but an early 29 doesn't really have an equivalent contemporary outside the dorito, and given razbam's falling out who knows how long that'll be playable

And even the m2000c we have is significantly upgraded from its 80s config

I'm sure that f15c ed decided to do will be a post msip version so that's not really a fair contest either (and the f15 is just always in a bit of a different weight class than the 29)

Where instead the mig23 is a great match up for the phantom and f1, while still leaving stuff like the f5 somewhat competitive

[trim harbor]

terrible fortune

yea

[rustic charm]

Looks nice

[hollow oracle]

still troubleshooting how to fly this

[echo gorge]

How is it

[hollow oracle]

im flying the delta one, its not bad

it flies, and somewhat realistically, the biggest issue right now is that the FMC is just a GTN750 instead of the 747 one, but the GTN750 works a lot easier and is better developed

[trim harbor]

wasnt there a c17 in msfs2024

[hollow oracle]

yeah, miltech

its supposedly much better but im too broke

ill buy many things at unreasonable prices, but a broken game for $120 is where i draw the line

[trail monolith]

You know you can buy it via the FS24 marketplace for about 20 euro right?

[agile oak]

lmfao

[hollow oracle]

huh, theres actually a clickable cockpit mod for the A-10A

its really basic though, it basically just puts clickspots over switches that were already animated from the keyboard shortcut

[hollow oracle]

yeah... im really seeing the power of armor in DCS now

im trying to shoot at some T-72Bs, and cannon does nothing, 14 rockets did like 28% damage to a single one coming from the rear

APVs are really easy to damage, but once they take any damage they all scatter, which makes cannons pretty ineffective because youd really need to just pick a few to aim at per pass

[runic hare]

https://www.justflight.com/product/146-professional-xplane-12

This makes me so happy

Not gonna tempt fate by saying we might get some more JF stuff

But

We might

That makes me very happy

[dusky leaf]

They have said it will be on a case by case basis

[runic hare]

It would be very nice to see

Anywho

[untold finch]

that's what AGM-65s or CBU-97s are for

[reef isle]

Reminder that the liveries work on both the X-Plane and MSFS version without any changes needed to the textures

All you need to do is change them from PNG.DDS. to .PNG and vice versa

(and if you're on MSFS of course you need to create all the other associated files - layoutj.jsom, manifest, aircraft.cfg, etc...) or just download a random livery and change the textures, who cares about thumbnail and other stuff

[trim harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuOKNjrHRsI

[rustic charm]

They’re also streaming right now I think

[trim harbor]

u cant hear anything though

in the stream

but it looks good

[rustic charm]

Yeah the sound is low

[rustic charm]

The plane looks quite good tbh, I don’t usually watch streams though so I’ll just decide whether or not to buy it by first getting a monthly sub

[trim harbor]

that looks abit plasticy though

though, i've never been in a 737 classic cockpit

i wouldnt know

it's abit too light ig?

[rustic charm]

Not sure tbh

Doesn’t look too bad to me

Tbh I’m not too bothered by cockpit textures anyway as long as they’re not terrible. The most important part is of course how it flies

Their discord is unhappy though lol

They included card games in the EFB lol

Solitaire and spades

They restarted the stream in better quality now

[trim harbor]

vroom vroom

[runic hare]

80 stands at Stansted at 5am

Ambiance

[trail monolith]

https://x.com/airlivenet/status/1923701193932427569?s=46

AIRLIVE (@airlivenet) on X

BREAKING KLM flight KL877 Boeing 777-300 just returned to Amsterdam after left engine issue on takeoff
All updates: https://t.co/ZwzCOiqh1I

X · May 17, 2025, 11:24 AM

[hollow oracle]

https://flightsim.to/file/92647/jetblue-brewing-altitude-n643jb-w-cabin-fenix-a320-v2

https://tenor.com/view/dunkaccino-al-pacino-pacino-dunkacino-dont-mind-if-i-do-gif-18432190

[hollow oracle]

one day im going to have a fist-sized hole in the drywall next to my desk from DCS

im getting better at doing actual missions, but i get hit with 1 (one) bullet and both wings and both engines explode in a giant fireball and i nosedive into teh ground

you literally need to do a perfect, hitless run to actually complete a mission successfully

[echo gorge]

Basically yeah

Unless its small caliber aa, that's generally the case

[hollow oracle]

i really just need to be more careful and calculated, plus abandoning a run if it isnt going perfectly (which is what caused me to get shot one of the times)

im still trying to play DCS like call of duty, or those people in battlefield 4 who get in the helicopters and zip around the map at mach 5

though, after watching somebody do commentary on the gory gori mission, im starting to understand how strategy works for actual mission stuff

why is the F-14 the only non-owned colored icon

[hollow oracle]

i did it, i finally completed my first ever DCS mission

gory gori, me and AI wingman successfully captured the 3 objectives with no damage taken on either of us

i now have to fight the massive urge to not buy the A-10C II or another map

[reef isle]

To be fair, you can play the Hind like that

I genuinely do crazier stuff with that compares to freaking GTA

[hollow oracle]

once i get the other A-10A mission under my belt, or even starting into a campaign, im definitely going to seriously consider the CII

[hollow oracle]

https://youtu.be/llzPppfId3Q?si=vUc1KkiYUpGnqarf

[mortal furnace]

@hollow oracle A10 2 is EDs best module

[hollow oracle]

I’m definitely considering it more and more

Now that I’m okay at weapons, weapons theory, and main flight controls, I feel like I can start to look at the actual cockpit systems side of things

It doesn’t look too bad, it honestly kind of looks like I can use an identical controller profile to the A-10A, everything else can be done pretty okay with keyboard commands and mouse clicks as far as setup and weapons and things goes, once you’re in combat you won’t be fiddling with displays or switches or anything outside of the main important stuff

The main stuff you really need to worry about is stick and throttle, weapons release/targetting/cannons, and flare/chaff, everything else is nice to have handy but not imperative

[echo gorge]

The problem with the a10c is that it's all just guided weapons employment, which can be boring as fuck

[reef isle]

It is boring as fuck

I got tired of ground pounding really fast

[echo gorge]

A lot of people seem to love that, but uh, not me

I love ground pounding, but that's ground pounding in the viggen or planes with even less advanced systems

Laser guided shit is just so dull

[reef isle]

I think ground attack in general is a bit boring, it feels a bit too "binary" you're either very safe (and very effective, but falling asleep), or you die

[echo gorge]

That's true, especially on servers

[reef isle]

Oh that's pretty much all I do

I wish there was a proper campaign, I've seen quite a bit of Sea Power gameplay (I'll buy it very soon most likely), and I always thought how cool it was to be able to do missions like that in DCS

[echo gorge]

I tended to do a lot of singleplayer and coop stuff for ground attack, servers are really only good for air combat imo

[reef isle]

Yeah that's fair, I think I'll try to do more single player

[trim harbor]

whoops

[trail monolith]

Nice custom livery

[mortal furnace]

whats wrong with iron bombs?

[reef isle]

Do you mean dumb bombs?

[mortal furnace]

noooo im talking about manual release iron bombs

you can still drop manually than guide

i loved the rocket count on the AV8B

[trim harbor]

CSS737 delayed

L

[echo gorge]

Do you mean mclos missiles?

[reef isle]

On the harrier, must have been either APKWS or Zunis

[mortal furnace]

unsure there mk82s etc also

clusters

[reef isle]

Oh I see

[mortal furnace]

you dont always have to use harms and mavericks

[reef isle]

Yeah of course

[echo gorge]

Oh, I misunderstood the 'then guide' bit

[mortal furnace]

its ok

[reef isle]

But dropping dumb bombs at people that aren't shooting back isn't that much fun

[mortal furnace]

well that depends on your target?

try it on something that shoots back?

[echo gorge]

That's where the viggen's so great, it's got the performance to get you in under an era appropriate iads with a decent probability of success

While still being in real danger

[mortal furnace]

i like the bagguette cluster bomb on that

[echo gorge]

The glide bomb?

Yeah it's cool

[mortal furnace]

BUT online servers stop you using them because ED's sim is a shit show

yea yea

[reef isle]

Well, if it shoots too much you won't even get close, that's the thing I was saying earlier, in DCS is very rare to have something that's enough of a threat to be scary, but not enough to give you a chance

[echo gorge]

My favorite is the rockets or the rb05, hitting ships is fun

[mortal furnace]

M-2000 was fun ground pounding to

but ED didnt want to pay them

[echo gorge]

Yeah, that's where stuff like the viggen or (presumably, I don't have it) the f15e shines, low level ingress and egress in contested airspace

Yeah the m2k was fun for ground pounding, the whole razbam thing is such a terrible shame

[mortal furnace]

15E is the best module in dcs personally my prefrence its better than the 18 and 16

[trim harbor]

very much so

[echo gorge]

They were all too modern for me lol, wish they'd made an aardvark instead but modern and multirole is where the money is so fair enough

[mortal furnace]

what about F14?

[echo gorge]

I was looking forward to their mig23 so much

[mortal furnace]

thats good if you have a human rio

[reef isle]

Not soviet enough

[mortal furnace]

yea mig23 was the one

[trim harbor]

even with jester you can make it work

[echo gorge]

It seems very cool, but something about it never really interested me enough to buy

[trim harbor]

i mainly fly the f14 (mp excluded) and had few issues imho

[reef isle]

I don't like the Tomcat and I ended up not liking the Phantom too much as well.

I feel like with Jester is too easy, and without it's impossible

[trim harbor]

human will always clear jester but its not impossible

[reef isle]

I also just don't like virtual crew members

[trim harbor]

phantom feels abit iffy

its super well made

[mortal furnace]

its what pi***ed me off about ED the whole "We need documents to make a realistic SU27" Comes out with an F-35......................... Utter BS its all about money, They should of made all the FC3 full fedilty

[trim harbor]

but theres no real scenario to use it in rn

too many modern planes

[mortal furnace]

yes there getting f15c and mig29a

[echo gorge]

Yeah that pisses me the fuck off as well, though in my case I want the su25a

[reef isle]

Well it has a natural competitor (the MiG-21) and it's perfect for Germany

It's the mainstay of all cold war servers

[mortal furnace]

now there basing it off we will see how well the mig29 sells..............

[trim harbor]

mfw the AI mig21 pulling 90gs without any issues

and i struggle in the school bus called phantom

[mortal furnace]

spearcat jag and lightening in dcs would be good

[reef isle]

Oh yeah, I mostly play PvP

[trim harbor]

oh

i dont

[reef isle]

Fair enough

[trim harbor]

i suck too much

i prefer AG

[reef isle]

I'd rather suck than deal with the DCS AI

[echo gorge]

A jag would be awesome

[trim harbor]

lmfao

[mortal furnace]

to much crying in pvp this missile and that missile put me off forever

[reef isle]

Just play cold war

[mortal furnace]

na its all BS

[reef isle]

Yeah, moder era PvP is cod-level in terms of the community

[mortal furnace]

plus dcs crashes everytime i loaded up SRS

[reef isle]

I don't use SRS

I have used it for a while

But it's not required

[trim harbor]

spam amraam 30 miles, turn away, pray

re do

[mortal furnace]

oh not to mentioned the loading times just to get in not only the sim but an online server

its so slow and im running 4090 and 64gb of ram

[reef isle]

fun ✨

[mortal furnace]

IF BMS updates its sim it will ruin ED

[reef isle]

Don't know what to say, it's fine for me

Takes no longer than 5 minutes

Usually much less

I just join server, spawn, try the best I can to not suck, have fun, leave

[mortal furnace]

i just generally fell out of love with dcs because of so many issues performance wise and the web ED feeds you

[reef isle]

"web ED feeds you"?

[mortal furnace]

@reef isle

these types of things

[mortal furnace]

and this one

[reef isle]

Oh I just got the stage I don't care anymore

They obviously do what's profitable

I don't think anyone is surprised

[mortal furnace]

yea of coarse an SU27 would make 100s of dollars

[reef isle]

This isn't just ED, I always start with the assumption that every single company is here to milk me as much as possible even for the tiniest game

[mortal furnace]

agree

like i can jump in any other sim in VR or game and play in DCS you have to tweak this and that blah blah blah i just cba

[reef isle]

It's way too exhausting to think differently and being outraged when the inevitable happens. I'm much happier by starting to assume the worst and then being happy every time any company does something that's not just blatantly anti-consumer

[reef isle]

I don't care about the F-35 at all

[echo gorge]

The f35 honestly does irk me, because if they're willing to make a plane with that little public material available I don't see why they can't make more redfor aircraft

Especially with modern (but even somewhat with cold war) its all blue v blue

Of course the mig23 would've helped that a lot, but well...

That said, it's their company and their choices, but I just find myself growing disillusioned

Ugra's Germany looks incredible though

And at least we're getting the 29, and better yet it's an early a

[reef isle]

I think MiG-29 is as late as it can get while still being somewhat fun tbh. I get what you're saying and I agree but even planes like the DCS Harrier II I think are a bit too modern for me

[echo gorge]

Yeah

[reef isle]

The Harrier is fun only if you restrict yourself, for example by using the nose mounted camera instead of the TPod, but while you can come up with some plausibile plot for carrying modern guided munition without the Tpod or someone else laser designating for you it just isn't satisfying

You know that 99% of the time that's not how that Harrier would have been employed

[echo gorge]

I'm just so sad that the mirage 2000 is off sale as it's sort of the perfect counterpart to the 29

[reef isle]

Yeah very sad

It's even more sad that it could just randomly stop working

And there's a chance that nobody would fix it

[echo gorge]

I think the best way of flying that or the hornet (I say not owning either) is to do basically gulf War era config, where it's basically dumb bombs and mavericks with no targeting pods

And that is plausible because it happened, it just makes no sense if you're on a server without restrictions though

[reef isle]

Also I'm fairly confident that they were almost always laser guided mavs with JTAC lasing for you

Which again, boring

But less boring than the alternative I agree

For me the biggest thing is the big MFDs

[echo gorge]

In close air support maybe? But I think they were using ir and TV Mavs then too

[mortal furnace]

thats another thing in pvp servers to much datalink and A.I awacs telling you where bandits are and heading etc bores me

[echo gorge]

Yeah, I don't like mfds at all

[mortal furnace]

theres no fun in it

[reef isle]

I think I came across some sources in the past that claimed IR mavs were almost 100% for anti ship use, and they're way over performing in DCS

In terms of picking up targets

[echo gorge]

TV ones though?

[echo gorge]

Could well be

[reef isle]

Harrier doesn't have them

[echo gorge]

Oh rip

[reef isle]

But yeah, in DCS using the nose cam and then "transferring" to IR mavs and firing them is loads of fun

Because it introduces time pressure

Because the camera is in the nose you MUST be travelling inbound and thus getting closer, can't just orbit at a safe distance

So if you aren't prepared or you are too slow you'll get yourself in danger

[hollow oracle]

apparently it was getting absolutely TRASHED from the early streams and stuff on reddit

[hollow oracle]

i like it, it's like playing chess and you actually have time to plan out your moves

[trim harbor]

well

it didnt look that good

ibr

not to trash on any product but

that 737 doesnt look like $120

[hollow oracle]

that's because it isnt, it's priced that high so you're forced to get a subscription model, and the devs get a constant stream of cash flow

and its $5 a month, and like most subscription services nowadays, they thrive on people forgetting to cancel and endlessly paying, or they pay for so long that it exceeds the price of the original product

[rustic charm]

It’s priced that high because it’s the price for 3 planes…

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/comedybangbang-come-on-now-really-555-gif-12401012

[rustic charm]

And they won’t thrive on people forgetting to cancel because you have to manually resubscribe every month. It doesn’t auto-renew

[hollow oracle]

the -300, -400, and -500 are practically identical

its like the A319, A320, and A321, or the -700, -800, and -900

[rustic charm]

Yet it is normal in flight sims to sell such things separately

Look at literally any dev

PMDG? Check. Fenix? Check. FSS? Check. And then you have shit like CS selling different engines separately… that’s a tad too far in my opinion

[full plank]

FlightFactor moment

[rustic charm]

For now I think the only devs that don’t do that are ini, who sell the 350 as one plane and don’t divide the -900 and -1000, and JustFlight, also not dividing the F28s and 146s

Btw if for comparison you take the cheapest combination of any 3 PMDG 737s, it comes to $155

[hollow oracle]

i have more annoying DCS questions

[rustic charm]

Obviously for now the price seems high because you’re essentially buying a promise, and of course it’s reasonable not to want to. So I say just wait until more promised features and the other variants get done and buy it then. And if in the meantime you really want to fly a classic, you can just pay 5$ for a month, satisfy the need for a 737CL and enjoy your flying

[hollow oracle]

i know i asked before, but now that im looking into it a bit more seriously, what would be the best map to learn the A-10C on? i like the A2G gameplay, and i've heard afghanistan is great for that, but and i love the open desert scenery, but i dont know if its worth it to get the ENTIRE map, or just east afghanistan for bagram?

i dont want it to sound like im incapable of deciding for myself asking the same question over and over, but i also dont want to get ripped off with a $60 DLC when im already buying another $70 one

[rustic charm]

Cause how many months in a row would you really fly the same plane? I could see myself paying a monthly sub just 2-3 times a year if I didn’t wanna buy it, just so I can get a couple flights in the plane and then enjoy the rest of my virtual fleet

[hollow oracle]

actually, i guess a better question would be, what has the highest quality missions/campaigns for the A-10C? both community and official (im not sure what the A-10C includes by default)

[hollow oracle]

after doing some simple tallying, syria runs away with it with 7 missions/campaigns, the runner-up is the gulf and afghanistan with 3 each

[echo gorge]

Syria

Syria is (rightly) beloved by the community, and has generally the most community support of any map.

The Persian gulf is popular with the naval community and I expect germany will grow really popular over time, but at present if you get one map get syria

I would wait for a sale though, it's been out long enough it gets very decent sales

[hollow oracle]

with the DCS store free trials, can you do more than 1 at once? ngl i might just do both as trials while waiting for a sale

[echo gorge]

I think you can do multiple at once but I never tried

[hollow oracle]

i have a feeling i should transfer over to the non-steam version of DCS anyway, even though im not super thrilled about it

[echo gorge]

Yeah, it's generally a good idea to do so

[hollow oracle]

the state of ED makes me concerned at best

if they went down and out, i know steam would have my back, but i dont entirely trust that ED auth servers will keep working

[echo gorge]

Yeah, I can understand that concern, I don't think things are quite that bad but it's a fair reason

[hollow oracle]

but, with how many players have money invested into this game, it wouldnt surprise me at all if something like that was met with MASSIVE backlash and a community-made EOL update

[echo gorge]

Yeah, I kinda expect it would be

[full plank]

tbh im just excited to see shit finally making its way to FS24, can't lie.. I have been on the fence on switching sims & with SU2 that certainly seems like the way to go

[hollow oracle]

im waiting for SU3, supposedly the beta has an option to actually download things instead of streaming them

[full plank]

it does, expected that in SU2 but seemingly got pushed back

[hollow oracle]

once that launches, im 100% sold

[full plank]

not going to listen to every spunk lolly that says ''upgrade to the beta!!'' & then bitch about their planes not working

im also excited about the FSLabs shit making its way finally to FS24 too, just need the PMDG & iFly 73s

wish we got the Concorde but oh well

[reef isle]

They're all the same

In terms of learning weapon employment

[hollow oracle]

i didnt realize that you could didnt need to re-download DCS when switching between versions

[echo gorge]

Yup

[hollow oracle]

yeah, after switching versions, the standalone version is a LOT better

[hollow oracle]

hm, what are the odds that we get a memorial day sale?

that kind of lines up nicely with the 2 week trial period

[hollow oracle]

i was like "man, why is is to had to control right now?"

lesson learned, dont even try to bomb moving ground targets

using any rudder when your missing one of your vert stabilizers is instant death

https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim/comments/1kq0frb/the_css_737_classic_is_not_subpar_its_awful/

static oil and hydraulic gauges

[trim harbor]

Pity really

Guess we‘ll have to wait longer for a classic

[mortal furnace]

Another reason i wont by maps in dcs after ugly media cried at ome tech about removing the borthern part of there map

[untold finch]

Low, they just came out of a sale period, and memorial day is an american holiday to the best of my knowledge, which ED doesn't tend to observe

[hollow oracle]

Either I do the free trial and end up buying it early off sale, or I buy it off sale

[hollow oracle]

im impatient, money flows like water, and the earth is going to be swallowed up by the sun in a few billion years anyway

[dusky leaf]

Ive flown DCS in a casual manner since it first came out and the base map is the only one I have. Tight fisted 😆

[hollow oracle]

personally, i prefer doing real-world ops over fictional ones, but caucasus isnt bad at all

after looking at some A-10C missions on caucasus, there are some with pdfs of just pages and pages of background and lore building on fictional missions, its really awesome

[echo gorge]

Problem (weird calling it a problem) with real world is that there's not been a high intensity conflict with us involvement since 1990 (and that almost doesn't count)

[hollow oracle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

if it's got an A-10, and it has a grounding in reality, i prefer it over something 100% fictional in a part of the world where A-10s didnt see much outside of just flying over

[echo gorge]

I suppose if you wanna do coin stuff then Iraq, syria or Afghanistan work well

But for high intensity stuff germany is perfect and the caucuses is honestly decently plausible for a mid-late 2000s scenario

[trim harbor]

need a 767 asap

[trail monolith]

I need a 777X asap

[trim harbor]

and another naha liftoff

[hollow oracle]

didnt even know it was possible to get shot and killed inside of the cockpit

my wingman got blown up by a SAM trying to take out air defenses for me, and the second wave of attackers had artillery, AAA, still the same SAM

i had 4 other A-10s but i was almost out of ammo and went "surely this is my time to go in with the cannon"

it just feels kind of weird to be circling and watching without really being able to do anything, all i had are bombs which are useless against moving targets, and cannon which makes you extremely vulnerable

guess i could have used CCRP bombing on the stationary air defenses from extremely high up, but even then im still not keen on the targeting pass still needing to get pretty close to get it accurate

[trim harbor]

@hollow oracle did u use any mod for the 748

or default asobo

[hollow oracle]

default

[trim harbor]

hope its decent enuff

[hollow oracle]

not PMDG quality, but its enough to where id trust it to go long hours

performs realistically enough, never had any issues

[trim harbor]

cant be too bad

[hollow oracle]

i've done a trans-atlantic flight without any issues in it

[rustic charm]

Honestly as much as a 748 is nice, wen 744

Totally not biased because one of my local carriers has them and I took a flight on one just under 2 months ago

[hollow oracle]

i still havent gotten the sparky one to work at all

[reef isle]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3475897739

it's going to be hard to resist now 😭

Man this last few weeks/months have been brutal

I bought the DC-9, then Germany CW, the 777-200 and now I have to also buy Sea Power

[trim harbor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim/comments/1kqjudn/pmdg_777f_is_here_folks/

time to do the switch soon tm

[rustic charm]

Ekranoplan ❤️

[rustic charm]

Tbh I don’t even consider FS24 yet. I really don’t like that you can’t just download it and stream less data. The only thing that will genuinely make me switch is if good 2024-exclusive stuff starts being made

[hollow oracle]

ehhhh, i kind of wanted to wait on the free trial of the A-10C and syria until i was ready to learn it, but i might start it today, because regardless of if there's a memorial day sale or not, im going to most likely be buying it by next week anyway

i feel like the A-10C might actually be a lot easier to fly than the A-10A, considering that it has IR missile detection capabilities, screens, and a better HUD setup

[hollow oracle]

im not liking the concept of the free trial stuff, it adds so much pressure

like, once you start it, you have to start using it immediately so you're not wasting any time

[abstract mural]

I'd argue with you about that because of the Hornet and F35

[abstract mural]

Who's Razbam? - ED, probably when looking at their expenses

[rustic charm]

Does anyone here have the CRJ V2?

[trim harbor]

been batteling with the fenix for the past 30 minutes

what a terrible plane it is sometimes

[hollow oracle]

i thought the C II came with the C?

[echo gorge]

The c ii was a standalone update to the c

You're not actually missing anything other than a lower resolution cockpit

[heavy schooner]

Spittin' fire

[untold finch]

I think it should still give you access to the aircraft, just doesn't show in the module manager

It's effectively an older software suite, so not really that exciting unless you want to roleplay real hard

[hollow oracle]

fair, i wasnt really sure on the differences other than that the A-10C is an older release therefore it has a bit more community made content

[trim harbor]

wym by community made content

missions?

[hollow oracle]

missions, campaigns, stuff like that

[trim harbor]

well

my tip is

download the mission

replace the old 10 with the a10c II

yes its a bit of a hassle but

works

[hollow oracle]

true

[trim harbor]

im not sure if it works with paid campaigns thoooooooooo

they might be encrpyted or something

i never played a paid one

[dusky leaf]

Doesnt work with campaigns but does if you save as individual missions

[hollow oracle]

the A-10C is strange in a good way

cold start wasnt bad, and i took off and followed some steer points

[hollow oracle]

oh fuck yeah, when i think combat aviation, i think miles and miles of nothing but sand

fighter jet grey + that brown and blue is just

it really makes you realize how extremely cramped caucasus is

[hollow oracle]

i still have to figure out weapons, the one thing i dont really care for in the C is how it's all done with the screens now, i like how simple the switching was in the A

[untold finch]

You can technically do all weapon swapping with the stick but it's usually faster to do it in the DSMS page

[reef isle]

Did my first few flights in VR, it's awesome 😄

It really does feel like you're in the cockpit

Even with the shitty Rift S that they gave me to try

I really think I can reach and touch things and then get sad because I can't

[untold finch]

Yeah, I don't think I could go back to non-VR any more, especially for helicopters or air-to-air refuelling

Just need to replace the Reverb G2 as it looks like it's not getting a stay of execution

[reef isle]

I do formation aerobaticss and the difference is massive

I'm really happy with where I got with just a screen, but it's undeniable that it's much much easier in VR

this was my very first attempt at station keeping with VR and it's uncanny how stable it is

(granted, it's just very gente very easy to follow maneuvres, but still)

I definitely want to get something with more resolution than the Rift S to read stuff lol

I tried flying the 777 and it's nearly impossible just because of the resolution 🫤

[trail monolith]

There has been 3 737 fuselages fallen into a river

[hollow oracle]

If you’re talking about the new Aaron Rheins video, that was in 2014

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna149321

[trail monolith]

Ah

Alright welp ignore my messages folks my mistake and i hugely apologize

[dusky leaf]

The JF146 for XP12 is released

[reef isle]

It's fine don't worry

I've done worse ahahha

[runic hare]

Oh

Fuck yeah

Already?

That’s me sorted for tomorrow then haha

[dusky leaf]

https://forums.x-plane.org/files/file/35825-the-lf-range-experience/

I gotta try this! even has 1940’s sectionals for dload

[runic hare]

Its been a while

[dusky leaf]

Thumbs up?

[runic hare]

yup

I'm not gonna beat around the bush because it is essentially the same plane as the XP11 version

but its still cool

[echo gorge]

Battleship 🩶

[reef isle]

@rustic charm they added the price

so they're not totally dead

[rustic charm]

Oh, that’s nice

And the price isn’t too bad either

[reef isle]

just downloaded their installer

not sure if I want to run it

[rustic charm]

I’ll look at it a bit later

[reef isle]

my disappointment is immesurable, and my day is ruined

[rustic charm]

Oh well oh well

Though it says not whitelisted, meaning most likely they only allow a small number of specific emails to register, so it sounds like it might be in testing

[reef isle]

yep

I created an account to their website twice and they have deleted it after a few days both times

looks like they got tired of deleting my account

you can't get any further with the installer either

so yeah, looks like it still isn't avaiable to the public

this also suggests it's in closed beta

[rustic charm]

Do they have any open socials?

[runic hare]

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[reef isle]

Don't think so

[runic hare]

oh lol i was looking for where I typed that

[trim harbor]

i have not heard of this

ever

thank you

thats a cool project

[trim harbor]

this weather

[trail monolith]

It can be relaxing at times except for today the rain came and went multiple times today same with the sun

[trail monolith]

Update it's dark irl and raining again

[trim harbor]

second one of the day isnt looking too much better

thank you autoland

interesting weather

[hollow oracle]

Still holding out hope that ED might do a Memorial Day sale

Though, now that I have a job on the way, it really doesn’t matter to me too much if I have to buy it full price

[untold finch]

They're a """swiss""" company, memorial day isn't really a thing for them

I don't think they've ever done one before at least

[hollow oracle]

Looking on just steam sale history alone, it looks like in the past 4 years they did it twice or so, and I’ve heard they do even more frequent sales on their site than steam

[runic hare]

I was gonna say just wait for Easter before remembering that it’s currently may and I’m a retard

Hey ho

[hollow oracle]

yeah, i chose probably the worst time to get into DCS

[runic hare]

From what I recall there are some pretty regular sales on steam

5-6 a year

I should play DCS again