Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[hollow oracle]

flying the FJS 732 with a physical yoke is a nightmare

because it doesnt autocenter completely at times, itll gradually pitch up and down, which makes the VSI gauge drift up/down

i still cant figure out how to disco the autopilot with the yoke button too, i asnt able to figure it out when i flew with my xbox controller either

what the fuck?

its picking up a random VOR now?

i have it set to 109.4, which is the next VOR in my sequence, but its pointing me direct south, and the morse identifier is not correct

and now i lost the morse signal??? why the fuck would it pick up a random non-related VOR?

[hollow oracle]

the only other 109.4 VOR in the area is in wilkesbarre PA, HZL, which is northeast of my position

i should have added another VOR in my route, i guess 275nm between is too much

i really need to play with airways and stuff even more, manual flight planning too

my lazy ass just hits "VOR only" in simbrief and calls it a day

[hollow oracle]

this is the plan i came up with, it follows two airways so the courses to follow are accurate (navigraph gives me weird incorrect headings between waypoints)

the only thing is that it looks like the minimum altitude is FL180, which is fine because im at FL320

[echo gorge]

That looks allright

I'd recommend planning /w flights on skyvector (at least in the us) faa charts are a lot more readable for flight planning imo

[reef isle]

it's right on the limit

[trim harbor]

p3d wont die

p3d was never intended for the 'public' market per se

it's a military simulation software

[reef isle]

woah that's so cool 😄

Looks like those are the turbine/generator units?

oh you could very easily fly through there 😄

they knew what they were doing 😛

[echo gorge]

Yeah

It's just ugra doing donuts to show off at this point lol

[trim harbor]

can u check halle as a city pretty please

[reef isle]

sure

@trim harbor

sorry I have a pretty aggressive LOD, that's why you see so many 2d areas

[trim harbor]

wow i see where i live

thats actually pretty crazy

and suprisingly enough

it's pretty time accurate

[rustic cedar]

oo is this the new DCS map?

[reef isle]

Yes

[trim harbor]

aww man :(

[trim harbor]

tempting but wtf

[hollow oracle]

https://flightsim.to/file/91236/flybywire-cabin-addon

only 8 billion years to get a cabin

it would be cool if he put it into the official release

[hollow oracle]

is there a single scenery that fixes KMYR in xp11?

theres two freeware ones, but its the old taxiway config

[reef isle]

Harrier BR155 size comparison because...

eh

it's interesting?

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-slam-slam-desk-desk-slam-xqc-slam-gif-19145485

trying to fly the FJS with this yoke makes me want to eat glass

it doesnt autocenter with pitch cleanly, so it always detects the tiniest up/down pitch signal, which makes manual descent/ascent literally impossible

...

nevermind

my yoke wasnt setup for the aircraft

it was calibrated, but no deadzones or custom curves

this flight is a mess, i overshot my waypoint by 5 miles

navigating, trying to manage vertical speed with wrong controls, while also trying to troubleshoot why the controls are wrong

and autothrottle

two close calls with traffic, theyre trying to get a look at my hooters >:(

[full plank]

it come with egg roll

[hollow oracle]

it never works

thats me wrestling with the autopilot to get locked onto the VOR radial

[hollow oracle]

go-around and hard landing, scrapping the flight completely

i can do it better, so im not going to keep the shitty one

[echo gorge]

The 732 is just such a pretty plane, low bypass turbofans just look so much better than high

[worthy dawn]

Has anyone tried this game? https://store.steampowered.com/app/2660460/Aviassembly/

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[hollow oracle]

its really a product of its time

the golden age of innovation as far as airliners

[hollow oracle]

good ol xplane broken terrain

im very tempted to just release the parking brake to see what happens

[dusky leaf]

Might be fun

[hollow oracle]

my brain is too far gone, every time i see atlas air, all i can think of is that fucked up ad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnWl5LwIBcA

[hollow oracle]

how do australians even fly like this

[reef isle]

I am once again to just use heading lol

[trail monolith]

I usually do that in the 737 max in FS24

[valid thicket]

dayum they look awesome

[woeful elbow]

What the actual hell

[echo gorge]

Yeah, just wrong era unfortunately

Hopefully it either gets patched or a mod gets made giving them the proper livery

[runic hare]

It’s the same level of detail as the CL60

Give or take

No walk around but still pretty cool

[trim harbor]

Yeah dats y

It doesnt really have range though

[untold finch]

It's astonishing how much better Ugra are at this than ED or Orbx

inb4 they're the next dev team to abandon ship/implode/not get paid/etc

We've lost 3 already in the last 12 months

[echo gorge]

I really hope not, this has gotten very silly at this point

[hollow oracle]

ive been looking at getting an aircraft for my birthday/easter, and im still kind of undecided

im thinking either the IXEG 737, the felis 747-200 or the xcrafts E175

nvm, the IXEG isnt even compatible with 11

im kind of tired of flying older aircraft, the 732 is enough complexity for me, and the 747 is like 2x the work with a FE panel

there is the SSG 748, but if i wanted to fly an -800 i would just fly the MSFS one, its not perfect but it definitely gets the job done and pretty well

im even considering the FF 767, their 757 is awesome, and fedex/UPS fly a massive fleet of them

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-orange-spin-hat-one-brain-cell-gif-2745719316163357325

that happened last night when i tried taking off from frankfurt hahn too

its like if all my fuel and cargo is on one side of the aircraft, and also the engines are out on one side

[reef isle]

For the 75 I'd wait for Bluebird in MSFS

The FF is quite mediocre

Oh wait you said 767 🤦‍♂️

Yeah if you like it go ahead, I can't stand their 3d modelling of the cockpit, for some reason it feels wrong, like they got the shape/dimensions wrong

And the yoke is comically small too

[hollow oracle]

the sparky 744 is unbelivably garabge, ive troubleshooted as much as i can and im still getting identical issues regardless of whatever version i use

• takeoff seems to be extremely unstable (hard to keep centered on the runway, like my engines arent throttling on one side)
• throttle N1 displays bounce around between 30-31.3 at random when idle and on the ground (in the air it seems to be stable, throttles do not bounce around)
• VNAV overshoots selected altitude by almost 600ft, then slowly descends to meet the altitude again (regardless of how fast of a v/s)
• VNAV does not adjust pitch to meet a selected speed (it will hold a speed until the aircraft reaches its selected altitude, only then will it pitch down and gain speed past V2, and then throttles roll back to meet speed)
• autothrottles are extremely slow to react (they will overshoot selected speed by 5kts)
• autopilot will only manage speed through throttles, and not by pitch
• cabin altitude is extremely slow to react (will go up to 9500ft after takeoff, and only then will it adjust down, slowly)

i have no idea why that mod is so highly regarded

one of the extremely rare times where something is so garbage that i dont even want it taking up the hard drive space

[hollow oracle]

I’m hangry and frustrated, but I’m still disappointed that the default 747 in MSFS is somehow more complete than that

[reef isle]

I think all the dedicated 744 fliers I know were still with the PMDG in P3D

[rustic charm]

If it ever happens…

[runic hare]

What version of sparky are you using?

Because i have literally none of these issues

[reef isle]

Flying with Luftganza 😆

[reef isle]

modern FRA

[rustic charm]

Such a shame there are pretty much never airport sceneries for the 80s and stuff

Flying out of Sheremetyevo is gonna be painful again once we get a Tu-154 in MSFS, it changed quite a bit

[reef isle]

At least I have Munich Riem and Tegel

[rustic charm]

Seems like having 2 Stansteds installed isn’t a great idea

Just got ini’s Stansted, landed, taxied off the runway and there was a sharp bump in terrain for some reason

I expect that reason to be the fact that ini’s Stansted is somehow conflicting with the world update Stansted

[hollow oracle]

2024.05.26

one version out of date, but thats what the -400F mod specifically says to use

[full plank]

back in flight sim after a while away from it

[reef isle]

How do you get the box next to your name with ⚡ B747?

[full plank]

oh its from the simfest discord

user profile then server tag

[reef isle]

Thanks 😄

[hollow oracle]

after consideration, i think the 747-200 is the frontrunner for me to get for my birthday/easter

i've heard its exceptional, and im in the mood to do some 747 stuff, especially the older ones

plus its an experience you cant get in MSFS, and its both compatible with 11 and 12 (if i decide to upgrade eventually)

[dusky leaf]

Sale is on at the .org, so good timing. Going to pick it up as well.

[hollow oracle]

i was going to say, plus the sale, no better time to do it

i was going to pick up some other games too, somehow i havent played RDR2 yet

[trim harbor]

Goated plsne

[runic hare]

Well worth it

Especially for some 747 short haul ops

Freight as well

[reef isle]

ready to level off 😄

[trim harbor]

interflug

based

[rustic charm]

Can we Tu-134 in MSFS please

[trim harbor]

agreed

more TU and IL pls

[rustic charm]

Tbh though can we just anything Russian in MSFS

Il-86 and Il-96 would be sooooo lovely

[trim harbor]

it would

100%

[rustic charm]

Just imagine doing this in Tivat

[trim harbor]

funky s7 livery

[rustic charm]

86 would be really fun cause it’s very underpowered, even the crews would joke about it

[rustic charm]

Tbh it’s not even much S7

It’s basically the Aeroflot livery, just with the S7 logos

S7 started operations in ‘92, I reckon they didn’t want to keep the 86s for long then cause 96s were already a thing

Except I think in the end S7 took no 96s

[reef isle]

Yeah wasn't S7 just one of the airlines that was born out of Aeroflot's division and resizing?

I think they just happened to get some 86s and got rid of them as soon as they could, I think the only soviet era plane they kept for any amount of time was the Tushka

[rustic charm]

That’s pretty much 90% of Russian aviation 😆

Even now, S7 was born out of Aeroflot, Rossiya was born out of Aeroflot, Smartavia is literally Aeroflot-Nord rebranded, Pobeda is fully owned by Aeroflot, Ural Airlines was also born from Aeroflot

Which isn’t surprising cause in the Soviet times Aeroflot was the only airline after all

[hollow oracle]

something i didnt realize is that the 747-100 is (basically) identical to the -200, at least externally, so that gives a lot more flexibility to the felis too

i can do some clipper flights, which sounds really fun

i have a feeling that im going to be doing some homework though

[reef isle]

they have a different amount of windows on the upper deck

https://www.boeing-747.com/_Media/united_747old-4.jpeg

https://static1.simpleflyingimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/united_747_-8644833494.jpg

[hollow oracle]

There’s a window plug mod to fix that, so that’s taken care of

And some -100s had more than the 3, it’s not a consistent spotting rule

And some -200s had 3

[reef isle]

Wikipedia says that some 200s had 3

but I don't think any -100s had more?

[echo gorge]

Saul bass is such a fucking livery

[reef isle]

do they have the same engines?

[reef isle]

United was a constant improvements with liveries until they got Continental

[echo gorge]

Yup

:/

[reef isle]

Friendship > Saul Bass > Blue Tulip > Battleship Grey

what a streak

all fantastic

[echo gorge]

Wasn't blue tulip after battleship grey?

But yeah battleship grey is probably my favorite airline livery ever

[reef isle]

Could be?

wouldn't be the first time I got that wrong I'll double check

[reef isle]

Hard to argue with that

[echo gorge]

Probably the only other competitor would be the final cp airlines livery (at least to me)

[reef isle]

I still think Landor wins, but as an airline I think United had consistently the best liveries during their existence

[echo gorge]

Yeah that's fair

[hollow oracle]

huh, the 747-200s actually had only digital navigation?

the only options are CIVA, LTN-92, and the default FMC

i guess youll need digital navigation to cross oceans easily without a navigator

[echo gorge]

The ones that lasted to the modern era had gps fmcs

But yeah, they basically all had ins

I love civa

It's super jank but I find it really fun

[hollow oracle]

ive heard that the CIVA was only really used in european aircraft for the most part?

[echo gorge]

I think it was mostly used for oceanic stuff

Uhh

Not honestly sure, I think it was built by a us company

I know a lot of us airlines kept using /a or /w only aircraft for domestic stuff into the 2000s, so I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it had more use in Europe, but really I think it was mostly used for oceanic flying

[reef isle]

It was fairly rare in Europe as well

Especially in the 72s and 73s

it was a lot more common in the 74s and other long range planes (like the DC-10 and L-1011) because obviously they needed to be able to navigate in oceans or big uninhabited land masses

A lot of operators in Europe went directly from just VORs to very early GPS based "FMCs" in the '80s as far as I understood

(I think for example BA fitted their 1011s with FMCs before they got retired)

[hollow oracle]

ah, im kind of used to the 732 and 722, and those were pretty rare to have the CIVA units, i know that for afact

[reef isle]

don't worry it was a lot more common on these long range jets 😄

I mean, even Concorde had it 😅

[hollow oracle]

i have a general idea on how it works through the FSS 727, but not much, so thankfully i got a head start on learning that

thank god i dont have to worry about VOR navigation as much with this too, i didnt prefer that in the 732

[full plank]

Thank you CIVA INS

[trim harbor]

I love the LTN personally

It‘s super basic yet so good

[rustic charm]

Tbh I’m in the minority here but I don’t really like battleship grey

Like tbh, apart from the current livery, battleship is my least favourite

I’d in fact say it goes in the reverse order

Friendship -> Saul Bass (I’ve always called it Tulip lol) -> Blue Tulip -> Battleship Grey -> Current livery whatever it is called

[runic hare]

There is united Continental

And the new one

I think ratty ass looking Continental liveried aircraft have something about them

United don’t take care of planes

In this livery they look cool as fuck

[rustic charm]

Yeah that one tbh is quite nice, especially dirty

[trim harbor]

The best UA livery

Its a shame really

Their new one isnt bad

It‘s mid

[runic hare]

I'm in my landor era

[rustic cedar]

landor is such a cool livery bruh idec

so classy

so good

it's like the GNER of the airways

[green egret]

i think their 75/76 is pretty good when it comes to systems and physics, and they are working on a free update to the modelling but how much they will change i have no clue about

[reef isle]

I don't even think it's "bad"

Just the shape and position of things feel wrong?

[reef isle]

It doesn't really look like the same plane does it?

Like, the FF cockpit looks like everything is a bit too tall and not properly to scale?

[tired pond]

XP?

[runic hare]

yessir

[tired pond]

With no reshade on or nvidia filters?

[runic hare]

reshade

pumps the contrast a tad

but thats all it does

[trim harbor]

https://fselite.net/content/chaseplane-by-parallel-42-now-available-for-all/

[green egret]

yeah i agree it looks off

can only hope they fix it

[hollow oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4Kdz8LEFwFna9u1egiXBfSCj5eAo9GTo

i love this guys tutorials, but his voice puts me to sleep in a good way, its like bob ross

[echo gorge]

https://youtu.be/OvUafrp4wk0?si=wi9bx8nJ-rZIhmsw someone's already done a very cool cinematic/music video on the new map

Though seeing german phantoms with sparrows is cringe

[dusky leaf]

Shouldnt really use reshade with xp. XP hates anything that messes with its shaders. Known to cause problems

[hollow oracle]

learning the 747-200 is much, much, much harder than i expected

I’m about done with one tutorial series, and I’m absolutely going to have to watch another

[mortal furnace]

Red balloon asset pack $12.99

[runic hare]

The only issue I have is an occasional texture glitch and flicker

The reshade preset literally bumps the contrast and that’s it pretty much

I think that’s literally it

Could use Nvidia filters but I can’t be arsed to set that up

[dusky leaf]

Not all that different to the 727. little bit more to it but kinda homely feeling

[reef isle]

I can't explain why I have no feelings at all towards the 747-200

747 in general tbh

I think the 747 is way too good and successful for me

[dusky leaf]

Love the machine, not so keen on the mission. Long haul is a no no for me

[hollow oracle]

With the amount of stuff that needs done, long hauls almost feel too short

manually working on fuel balancing, updating waypoints, navigation updates

its enough to make a 7 hour transatlatic flight feel like 7 minutes

[reef isle]

Maybe? Even Concorde is boring in cruise, is the 747 worse in terms of workload?

[hollow oracle]

i mean, theres no constant work, but you have to pay attention at all times, to two seperate panels

and if you're doing a 2-3 hour flight, all of that gets compressed even further

im planning on doing KMIA-KJFK for my first flight, and im kind of concerned about fuel balancing and stuff in that short amount of time

at least logically its not that hard, center tank -> 2 and 3 main tanks -> tank-to-engine, keep moving down as everything gets balanced

but that takes away your attention from the pilot's seat, which can be challenging

[full plank]

right uhhhhh leg 2 to 3 checks out

[reef isle]

sorry? 😅

[hollow oracle]

im not sure if i want to do my own flight to learn the 747, or the tutorial flight from the tutorial series im watching

the only issue is that its a flight not for the faint of heart, london heathrow to phoenix

and you cant take a nap and come back with the 747, or use simrate, that is a 10 hour flight that you have to raw dog

though, if you want slow and easy, that is definitely it

maybe instead of phoenix ill do toronto

[rustic charm]

Eh, tbh, you can easily make it so you have some 5-hour gap to do other stuff during the cruise. Then you come back for 10 minutes, do a couple edits and back off

Get it up to altitude, INS provides all the guidance you need. Even with 9 waypoints, you can cover a great distance. Set up the fuel from the centre tank, it will take a while to drain

[hollow oracle]

and of course toronto doesnt have any non-RNAV STARs

[full plank]

basically with the FSLabs Concorde, the FO does all the enroute waypoints.. so every once in a while you'll hear him say the above or ''thats leg x to x checked now''

[reef isle]

Ah yeah, no obviously speaking without using virtual crew members

that's no fun

My personal experience has been with the Colimata Concorde (w/Heritage mod) and the FSX Tu-144

[full plank]

yea im not holding out any hopes for an update for the FSLabs Concorde for P3D though im hoping we get the option to disable the VCS with the MSFS version

lord knows i'll be buying that as soon as it releases

[rustic charm]

Is there any flight planning software that can give you headings between waypoints? Sometimes even VOR to VOR is not an option 🤣

[dusky leaf]

They should all give you a heading I believe

Would need to compensate for wind if not tracking something. gps vor fmc

[reef isle]

The best I've found is xNVU

https://forums.x-plane.org/files/file/34331-xnvu-calculator/

You can also try Skyvector

[rustic charm]

Skyvector onky has airways unfortunately

[reef isle]

Navigraph does, but I don't think it does any correction for a great circle, so if you just fly that heading you'll be going off course

[reef isle]

Can't you create your own route?

And then it will generate a log

[rustic charm]

Oh can you? Tbh possible, I just use the big map lol

[reef isle]

Yeah there's a flight planning part

That's the one you'll have to use

You want a proper NavLog

Anything but that will approximate in ways that makes navigating a huge hassle

[rustic charm]

Okay how did I never realise skyvector had this

Would’ve made flying the 727 so much easier on cross country trips

[reef isle]

You can also use something like this if you want to do wind correction

https://e6bx.com/e6b/

That's what I used when I did a almost fully dead reckoning flight from Nauru

[rustic charm]

Yeah I reckon wind correction will be needed

Fair winds over west coast afaik, and I need to get from Long Beach to Anchorage

[reef isle]

You can also try and find some visual references. IIRC some Air Nauru crew used some islands to make sure they were going the right way

[rustic charm]

Tbh I reckon the best visual reference I could have is to just go along the coast

Can’t go wrong with that

[reef isle]

In that case you're fine

[rustic charm]

Okay maybe going non-stop from Long Beach to Anchorage is not all that good of an idea…

[reef isle]

oh that should be fine with VORs

[rustic charm]

The straight-on route that simbrief gives…

8 and a half hours

[reef isle]

eek

[rustic charm]

Going along the coast would probably get it to 10

Not my longest flight ever of course

[reef isle]

Great circle isn't far off

perhaps 30/45 minutes more?

[rustic charm]

Yeah, maybe not too much longer tbh

But still

The difference is, all my 7-13 hour flights were done in RNAV-capable planes

And here, 9 hours in a DC-6

[dusky leaf]

Brave 😀

[rustic charm]

Yeah, maybe best to get to Seattle first and think from there

[dusky leaf]

Vfr refs would be a big help if weather permits

[rustic charm]

Oh absolutely

Literally just go along the coast

Would probably be fun to deliver a Douglas via Boeing Field

Landing on an enemy airfield xD

[reef isle]

KLGB ANAHM1 VTU T257 RZS J126 OED J501 TOU J523 ANN J195 BKA J501 JOH YESKA6 PANC

@rustic charm

no need to do dead reckoning

[rustic charm]

Oh, so there’s a fair way of VORs

[reef isle]

You could also do:

KLGB ANAHM1 VTU T257 RZS J501 TOU J523 ANN J195 BKA J501 JOH YESKA6 PANC

between YZP and BKA you can also "cut" straight through instead of going through ANN by doing it direct

so that would be either

KLGB ANAHM1 VTU T257 RZS J126 OED J501 TOU J523 YZP DCT BKA J501 JOH YESKA6 PANC

or

KLGB ANAHM1 VTU T257 RZS J501 TOU J523 YZP DCT BKA J501 JOH YESKA6 PANC

[rustic charm]

Yeah that’s fair

[reef isle]

there's a good change of it not working properly in MSFS

because loads of VORs in the West Coast have terrible range for no apparent reason

so you might have to do some dead reckoning anyway, but at least it's a lot less than what were planning 😅

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah I’m pretty sure I’ve encountered that already lol

Tbh a lot of VORs in MSFS overall are rather weird

[reef isle]

yeah you can't even follow some SID/STARs properly

[reef isle]

I don't know, so far the vast majority of VORs not working as expected where there in the west coast

everywhere else they've been fine

east coast can be a bit wacky as well, but nowhere near as bad

[rustic charm]

Yeah, tbh not quite sure if I encountered much anywhere else

I gotta at some point try VOR to VOR in Russia

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-slam-slam-desk-desk-slam-xqc-slam-gif-19145485

trying out the 747, cant get it to power up, even after watching through a tutorial series

[hollow oracle]

it took me 4 hours to get the aircraft powered on and the FE panel configured, the pilots area configured, and the flight plan inserted

only to realize that my audio was bugged and not working, and that i had to restart

[hollow oracle]

after some costly mistakes, im finally on the move

the biggest things ive learned so far is that you can climb fast, because that means you arent going to be as light as your flight plan expects, so you cant get fully up to cruise, you have to take it at the 747s regular climb thrust setting, which is only like 500fpm vertical

and to update your INS position, you need to choose a "waypoint" selection for the station you want to update from, and you have to keep your NAV radio selected to the station for the CIVA to get actual updates

make sure your flight plan doesnt have airways in it too, because then itll list out every intermediate waypoint in that airway, which is like 8 billion waypoints extremely close together, which is not good with the CIVA

the 9 waypoints that you get with the CIVA gets me all the way from EGLL to newfoundland, which is really good

[rustic charm]

I once got from Cold Bay, AK to Japan while using iirc just 8 waypoints

Just skip the ones you feel are unnecessary

[hollow oracle]

I always forget that the earlier you go, the more creative liberties you can take

[reef isle]

You can program whatever you want

If you follow an airway that has loads of waypoints close together you can just program 2

CIVA doesn't know anything apart from coordinates, you're free to do whatever you want with it

Just like NoOne said, I only set waypoints that are needed to fix rhumb line/great circle errors (if following airways) or where there are direction changes

[reef isle]

Did you mean, the earlier you go, the more research you have to do to make sure what you're doing is realistic because it's harder to find information from that time period? 🥲

[rustic charm]

& doing things realistically takes even more effort because most of the old-timey planes I find have some form of more modern additions

The DC-6 for whichever reason has a digital DME display

The FSS 727 is actually rather good in representing the CIVA era, but even so I’m pretty sure it is not the original condition either. A newer autopilot that got added slightly later, the original one iirc has much less vertical control

[reef isle]

Yeah unfortunately you have to draw a line somewhere otherwise you'd almost need a different plane for each flight

[hollow oracle]

its a little bit easier to just clean up the plan in simbrief, that way you have parity between what your going to program into the CIVA and whats on your fplan

[reef isle]

Fair enough

[hollow oracle]

also, i finally found a solution for easy CIVA flight planning

https://flyawaysimulation.com/downloads/files/18945/fsx-tociva-flight-plan-converter-utility/

you have to export your flight plan as a FSX plan, use that converter to convert it, and it spits out a pretty readable waypoint list

i just clean it up by putting them into blocks of 9

it doesnt give you all the info like the BAW flight plan, but its significantly faster, and makes it easy to keep track of what waypoints are what

[reef isle]

Oh it even converts them to decimal

I always just approximate by "feel"

0" is .0, 30" is .5 and "59 is .9

[hollow oracle]

i had to do that with INS updating, not my preferred way to do it

[rustic charm]

I just input the coordinates simbrief gives tbh

[reef isle]

Honestly given how little difference the seconds make it doesn't really change much

In grand scheme of things the drift will a whole lot greater than a 5-10" difference...

[runic hare]

There is supposed to be a plane boarding here

There is not

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mermaidman-evil-invisible-gif-14434769

[runic hare]

Taking EI-EMJ for walkies

[hollow oracle]

ive lost track on what attempt this is

to be fair though, the only reason i had to stop last night was because it was like 4:00AM and i had like 5 hours to go still

[hollow oracle]

the DCS A-10 is on sale for $40, usually $80, so im extremely tempted

i need to scrape together 200GB somehow though, thats my biggest roadblock

if i can fly a 747-200, im confident i can fly an A-10, but definitely still kind of concerned about how hard of a jump its going ot be

i have the joystick for it at least

[hollow oracle]

beginners luck landing, 1.00G and -72fpm

[runic hare]

They have the best cars at Toulouse airport for ground crews

[worthy dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/amiyumi-hi-hi-puffy-amiyumi-te-amo-i-love-you-aishiteru-gif-5046493604554176278

Citroen Ami 🥺

[hollow oracle]

eh... i think i might hold off on getting DCS stuff until the summer sale

just learning the 742 has taken a lot out of me, plus combat aircraft are a whole other side of the aviation spectrum, just not really as interested once i watched some tutorials

its funny, you can really get a lot further than you think in just 9 waypoints

KMIA-KJFK can be done in just 7

and even thats a little cramped

[reef isle]

I've heard quite a few people saying that it's a flying spreadsheet

but it's apparently one of (if not the) best aircraft in DCS in terms of system depth

[mortal furnace]

A10 is not hard at all i do like the A10 because of its in depth tho better than most modules in dcs, The hind is quite cool to

[dusky leaf]

Anyone tried C-46 Commando? suspect its very simcade

[untold finch]

Which joystick
because if you're talking about the airbus sidestick one... that's not going to cut it on the A-10

The A-10C has 4 hats on the stick alone, plus another 5 on the throttle, plus buttons

[hollow oracle]

What else would I use?

[rustic charm]

Usually for military people have military sticks

And tbh military sticks are what I see the most of, somehow there seems to be less civilian hardware

[untold finch]

https://www.thrustmaster.com/en-gb/products/hotas-warthog/

I wouldn't recommend buying one as they're fairly outdated tech-wise but that's the sort of button count you need to really consider flying the A-10

you can get away with something like a Saitek X-52 if you're happy to use modifier buttons

[reef isle]

No don't

Do NOT buy that

The actual sensor and feel of the stick is actually terrible for the price

If you're not in VR you can just use the keyboard

[untold finch]

Yeah, that's why I said that I wouldn't recommend buying one 😅

though the stick grip itself is pretty nice, i still have mine attached to the Virpil base

but yeah i don't think that anyone would have a good experience with an airbus sidestick
they're designed for flying a fairly simple aircraft

[reef isle]

I genuinely think it does not matter

Unless you have a proper sim pit or you're in VR using the keyboard is fine.

Especially for air to ground

You can map important stuff to the hat switch and trigger, that's enough

I flew for a long time with the T16000M and the TWCS throttle and I never had a problem. I have mapped next to nothing on the stick itself, and only had flaps/speedbrake/gear/trim on the throttle and that was good enough

As long as you can control trim you're fine

[untold finch]

What were you doing for TMS/DMS/CMS/Coolie Hat?

All keyboard bindings? That must have been pretty rough to memorise

[reef isle]

Yeah, might be annoying

But still possible

Eventually it just becomes muscle memory

I'm fairly sure I can still press all the right buttons in the right order to fire a Maverick on the Harrier from a target I've acquired from the Tpod

But I've genuinely no idea what I'm pressing and I wouldn't be able to tell you now, I'd have to record me and my inputs while doing it and work backwards from there

[untold finch]

Damn, that's commitment

[reef isle]

Is it? I thought i thought it was just learning the plane?

[untold finch]

Because I used to switch between so many different planes I tried to bind stuff as close as possible to the stick in the cockpit as possible, so it became easier to remember

I guess you'd try and bind key bindings for different aircraft as close as possible?

[reef isle]

Since I mostly do aerobatics now I mostly just have the important things bound to the same place for all planes (smoke, flaps, airbrakes), and then I have the usual few buttons and now the hat switch in the warbird stick that I have free and set them to whatever is most useful

There are some exceptions, mostly the Harrier and Mirage because I set all the controls up before I got into aerobatics

[tired pond]

x52's are ancient lmao

[untold finch]

A used one still holds up

and they're somehow still making them

[tired pond]

God, I got my original one like 15 years ago

Am on a warthog now actually but will eventually get something else

[untold finch]

Virpil is the way to go imo

I've heard a lot of negative stuff about WinWing customer support

[hollow oracle]

holy shit lmao

glad i did my cross the pond yesterday instead of today

8 billion 777s, A350s, and A380s, but only 10 B742s 😔

kids these days

[rustic charm]

Meanwhile me - fuck CTP, time for a DC-6 from Long Beach to Boeing Field

Trying out Elevatex with this flight too, imo it’s quite nice

[hollow oracle]

only 17 B748s

that one is literally free, has the same systems as the 777, and works awesome

[full plank]

I opted to cross the other pond

I do pond hops regularly so missing out on CTP isn't a big dealbreaker for me, though I was considering deploying the MD11 if I got a slot

[rustic charm]

Tbh considering I don’t fly vatsim there is absolutely no difference for me whether it’s CTP or not

I guess this was a great excuse to fly a scheduled transatlantic though

[runic hare]

I tried to fly online EGKK-MROC

realised my mistake when the delivery controller at gatwick asked if i was ok waiting an hour for a slot

[rustic charm]

Cause funny enough I have flown scheduled over the Atlantic the same amount of times as a delivery across the Atlantic

[reef isle]

I totally forgot to book a slot when it was time

but to be fair I'm kind of stepping away from flight simming a bit in general since I left a big community I was part of 🫤

[rustic charm]

That’s a shame, but at least you’re here still

I mean, for me, there are 2 places where I talk about flight simming basically

Here, and a DM with a friend

Bit funny that my main place to talk about planes is a train sim server where I talk about planes more than about trains

[hollow oracle]

I still haven’t tried out VATSIM, it kind of scares the shit out of me

[runic hare]

fucked it on the landing because my GF flashed me on face time 😭

[rustic charm]

That is a weird situation

But the landing is fine, it could be worse xD

I totally fucked up my landing today, the poor DC-6 bounced like 6 times

Once I get it to Fairbanks it is going right into storage for repairs lol

[hollow oracle]

thats one thing i really want to do, make my own fictional airline with its own fleet

[rustic charm]

Well, I have given thought to starting a fictional VA

But making something brand new fictional is too much for me

Plus, I don’t fly fictional anyway so that’d be weird

So I’m in the process of setting up a kinda VA

But at the same time, it’s not gonna be a VA in the common way, as I really dislike the obligatory way they are handled. “You must first prove yourself, then you must maintain activity, you must provide a handwritten 10-page report after every flight” to hell with that

Can’t we just have fun? If I wanted to do paperwork, I would’ve downloaded a paperwork simulator instead

So instead I’m just planning out a virtual alliance between several smaller cargo airlines in North America that will be rather niche and hopefully people will just enjoy flying those

[full plank]

tbf I don't mind activity requirements, the VA im with (Fly UK) requires you to file a PIREP every month or so

2 months if you let it run through the inactivity side

I like fictional VAs that are done well, with liveries that actually stand out

instead of bum bandit airways that have a boring ahh livery

[reef isle]

Happy Birthday ngc 😄

[rustic charm]

Happy birthday!

[hollow oracle]

[reef isle]

I'm not really interested in fictional VAs, most of the appeal for me is to recreate real stuff 😄

[rustic charm]

Same here

[hollow oracle]

i joined that fedex VA, but its been a while since ive picked up the MD-11, just because ive been busy learning other stuff

thankfully its just 1 pirep every 90 days, and if i dont do at least 1 fedex flight every 90 days id be shocked

[rustic charm]

Tbh the only airline I’d be confident in flying constantly is Aeroflot

All others for me are really on and off

While for Aeroflot I think there hasn’t been a single month without a flight

Since the start of April I’ve had 5 scheduled flights, I am almost done with another one now, and I have done one delivery too

[rustic charm]

I am a bit lost regarding what to do now

I just completed a flight

I had 2 flight trackers running - Volanta and Elevatex

And somehow I have a 10 minute difference in flight time readings

Elevatex says 7:57, Volanta says 8:07

And I have a spreadsheet with all my planes where I keep track of times and stuff, and idk which one to add

[hollow oracle]

id go with the longer, dont be afraid to inflate your hours

hell, people apply to airlines overexaggerating their hours massively

[rustic charm]

I’ll probably do the opposite, I always pride myself in getting places quickly

Although tbh in this case, quickly isn’t the word

I was hoping for 7:15-7:20

[dusky leaf]

Set the ELT off on landing 😆 Blame the waves 🌊

[hollow oracle]

its funny, N732PA is a challenger 600 now

[rustic charm]

Luckily I only have 1 reg that now is a different plane among the ones I fly

C-FCJU, used to be a Cargojet 722 (the one I fly), now is a Cargojet 763

Tbh a bit annoying cause Elevatex doesn’t yet seemingly support having several different airframes for the same reg, and when you try to add that one, it automatically gives you the 763. But I’m sure things like these will soon be improved

[trim harbor]

hot ass livery

pan am and twa were it

so simple yet so good

[rustic charm]

Absolutely

I love how the original pan am livery looks on the 727s ngl

[hollow oracle]

why is it that the winds in new york are always the worst place to land on planet earth

33019G32KT

i was landing on 31R and i was literally being blown sideways on landing

i ended up striking the engine, because the wind was so fucking bad that it just picked up my right wing and almost flipped me over

otherwise it was an extremely smooth landing

panam might be lufthansa for me, i literally cant do a flight with them just because of bad luck

[hollow oracle]

i might give it another shot but flipped, JFK to MIA

[nimble sphinx]

Bit late but I’ve only had one negative experience in VATSIM, otherwise I’ve had a good time with ATC

[full plank]

As long as you’re semi competent with the aircraft you take on the network & you aren’t a paint sniffer then you’ll do fine

I recommend, as many others do to start at a small airport thats staffed, gets you established with radio comms

[hollow oracle]

https://youtu.be/mUSUXnr4dSo?si=QnF1Ks1spvuJ5r-e

VATSIM moment

[dusky leaf]

https://virpil-controls.co.uk/cdt-aeromax-r-flightstick.html?mc_cid=e86f100c85&mc_eid=e279f711ab

Nice new budget ish stick from virpil - twist grip with optional little diddle thottle levers

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah I’ve seen that

Looks quite nice

[reef isle]

https://forum.inibuilds.com/topic/29996-synaptic-a220-april-2025-update

[rustic charm]

Welp, installing the 727 pax, finally got it

[hollow oracle]

attempt no. i forgor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDiQGQb4-Ew

[hollow oracle]

speaking of the pax 727

ive been thinking of doing that livery for ages, but baremetal is hard to acomplish

[rustic charm]

For me any livery editing/creation is just magic lol

I have no idea how to work in any photoshop-like software

I literally asked a friend if he could help me change the regs on some liveries

[runic hare]

https://forums.x-plane.org/forums/topic/257955-deanarica-simulations-airbus-a220/?page=9

[trim harbor]

default xplane systems

that does not spark joy

or does it just look like that

still waiting for the aerobask falcon tbh

[hollow oracle]

777-200ER is out

if you want to spend another $80 for -20ft less fuselage

[rustic charm]

Well tbh

The -200ER pack is actually probably more worth it than the -300ER

At the very least you get 3 different engines

[hollow oracle]

finally giving a shot with my own fictional airline

[echo gorge]

Looks really nice tbh

I take it you're a fan of eastern?

[hollow oracle]

The location, the airline?

[runic hare]

A220’s kinda just look like that

I think it might be “some” custom systems for sure based upon the XP default systems

A bit like how the Zibo and Sparky were first done

[reef isle]

I assume @echo gorge meant this

[hollow oracle]

Huh, I’ve never seen that before

Just a coincidence I guess, Pittsburgh’s primary colors being yellow and black, plus I really love the design of the nose black on aircraft

[reef isle]

It died in 1972

(merged into Delta)

[hollow oracle]

I sure love having only 3 options when it comes to flights, some airports only giving you 1 option

We should just merge all airlines until we have THE American airline™️

[rustic charm]

Northeast is lovely

I really hope someone makes a 727 livery soon

Cause first of all, having an airline that operates 727 with a hub at Boston Logan… that is wonderful. Still one of my favourite big airports

Then also we have Piedmont 727s and those were initially delivered to Northeast, having NE would mean I can properly deliver one

[tired pond]

Well I caved and got the 200ER

BUT I don't have the 300ER or the F

[reef isle]

ahahahah I found myself in a terrible situation

I've been busy these days so I just popped this as a request and said to myself "oh hopefully someone does it before I'll have the time and will to do it myself"

BUT, because that person did the 10USD thing, if I do it now it'll look like I was just trying to make money, that would make me look like a giant douchebag

thinking of accepting the request but asking the guy to not give me money

or just eliminating it, I don't even want the karma or whatever they call their points

[trail monolith]

https://x.com/schiphol/status/1917914909842563528?s=46

Schiphol (@Schiphol) on X

80 years ago, these Canadian heroes helped free us in the Second World War. Today, they came back to the Netherlands to celebrate liberation 🕊️🥹

X · May 1, 2025, 12:12 PM

[rustic charm]

Welp, just boarded another flight. Going to Guangzhou for a week, and probably not gonna have discord access at all if there’s any news worth noting, ping me, I’ll read once I’m back

[trim harbor]

W?

china

jealous

[echo gorge]

Have a nice trip

[hollow oracle]

the flying dutchman

[worthy dawn]

it says Fr*nce though

[reef isle]

https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/65c26eeea7cdaa706d97a75c/67f7eef22c7a327a104b0ce5_Fokker_70_%2528F-28-0070%2529%252C_KLM_cityhopper_AN0558296.webp

fixed

[worthy dawn]

Scream if you love Estonia

[hollow oracle]

shortest taxi in EHAM

shitty takeoff, for some reason autopilot didnt want to engage, and when it did it didnt enable LNAV, so it looks like i took off drunk

[trim harbor]

msfs when

[hollow oracle]

LNAV disconnected a second time when i was away :/

i think my fan blew my chair enough for it to bump the yoke and disconnect LNAV

[agile oak]

Fr*nce 💀 lol

[runic hare]

yoke needs to be centred on the zibo/levelup

[agile oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hInR2Nw9v24

hm

knowing boeing

this ain't happening

[hollow oracle]

the option in the EFB? i already have that setup

[runic hare]

hmmm

weird

[hollow oracle]

This person was 100% serious btw

[agile oak]

lmao

[hollow oracle]

probably not going to do it on VATSIM, and probably not going to do it the day of, but im definately going to take part

honestly, the yoke is kind of becoming annoying more than it is useful, setting it up every flight, and then i have to work around it to use the keyboard and mouse

i find myself just wanting to use my xbox controller again, same results for less setup and more flexibility as far as desk space

[hollow oracle]

the sparky 747 continues to be a fucking enigma to me

how is it so highly regarded if it just does not work like an aircraft???

i cant get the engines to start no matter what i try

[hollow oracle]

takeoff was actually normal, my engine gauges were fine on the ground but theyre bouncing all over the place again, and it overshot my selected altitude by 320ft, and my cabin altitude is critical and i have no clue why

really?

i spoke way too soon, my display just crashed

[hollow oracle]

coming back into MSFS after playing xplane for so long feels so weird

i definitely chose the worst aircraft to get back into MSFS with, the 717 is... not good

[hollow oracle]

better aircraft

theres some stuff i wish MSFS had that xplane has, and vice versa

a simrate thats based off of ground speed being the big one, allows you to zoom through flights without any lag when you increase the simrate

and i wish xplane had the control customization that MSFS has

[hollow oracle]

ugh... the urge to buy chaseplane...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAFQpK4ZQ5c

that looks so good

[runic hare]

I’m going to be honest I’ve had none of these issues running the sparky

When I was on 11 I was running an older version of it

I can find that version for you and I’ll send it your way if you need

[tired pond]

I've got it, it's lovely

Just the benefit of being able to import your views seamlessly between planes is a gamechanger

[rustic charm]

Thanks, the flight was lovely

Tbh Aeroflot’s comfort class really got improved since the last time I tried it

[rustic cedar]

forget how sweaty learning a new plane is on dcs

F-18 fun af to fly though

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/flying-a-jet-maverick-tom-cruise-top-gun-maverick-fly-away-gif-25589933

[rustic cedar]

actually me fr

[hollow oracle]

The other day I tried the default MSFS top gun missions after watching the movies, and they’re not good

I don’t know if it’s me or the default F-18 though

The only experience I have with fighters is VTOL VR, and those are extremely simplified

[reef isle]

Probably a bit of both

[reef isle]

Poor MiG-29

[hollow oracle]

i bought chaseplane

i couldnt resist the headshake stuff

and especially if i have an MSFS flight lined up, id like to get it before i start the flight and not after

my finances are very rapidly slipping out of my control

[untold finch]

the default superhornet is very mid

tbh, MSFS' flight modelling doesn't really do fighter aircraft justice

[trail monolith]

The FS24 variant feels a bit different

And looks different too

[hollow oracle]

holy shit, chaseplane is the best $30 ive ever spent

the default camera feels like your trying to move through molasses

chaseplane actually feels snappy and responsive, like xplane's

[hollow oracle]

eh, because its a third party addon it doesnt like to communicate with the default control bindings

i really enjoyed having my trim set to RB + rstick up/down, but because chaseplane overrides the right stick to camera movement, you cant have it like that

[hollow oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR14Qf7Hsl4

will we ever learn

another mid-air is inevitable

[reef isle]

Oof, you can't bind it?

[hollow oracle]

you can, but i also like right stick to control the camera

so its either/or

it kind of unintentionally worked out though, the shoulder buttons are assigned to trim in xplane, and i can directly translate that over to MSFS

[hollow oracle]

nope, it didnt work out, i have RB + B to idle the throttles, and that trims too

thankfully just bumping the trim isnt super disruptive, but it is annoying

[reef isle]

That would absolutely drive me mad

[hollow oracle]

it certainly is driving me mad too

[reef isle]

I thought that would quality as "very disruptive" lol

[hollow oracle]

i guess i could make my AP disco button both AP and AT at the same time, but then what would i do for idle

[reef isle]

I think if I were to fly with a stick I'd have left stick to control the plane, triggers for yaw, bumpers for throttle

[hollow oracle]

thats actually not a bad idea

though, if youd want to adjust trim, youd either have to take your left thumb off of the stick, or reach over with your right thumb

[reef isle]

I think I'd have Y and A for trim (so I could easily use the right hand while flying)

Maybe Dpad left/right for A/T and A/P toggle

Dpad up/down for flaps

And B and A for spoilers/speedbrake

Unfortunately no space for gear though

[hollow oracle]

the only issue is that a instant idle button is kind of important, because of the way MSFS does its throttle stuff, if you go too far back on the throttles without seeing that theyre at idle, it instantly goes into reverse

which is annoying on taxi

toe brakes too

[reef isle]

Oh yeah that's important too

Then I guess instead of speedbrake/spoilers, toe brakes and idle on B and A?

Although not having spoilers is a huge pain

Same for gear

[hollow oracle]

i dont touch the spoilers often enough to worry about having a controller binding for it

[reef isle]

It's not about how much I use them, they are one of the flight controls I need to be able to move without diverting attention to flying

Having to look down at the pedestal, move the curson and move them is way too big of a burden

Same for gear tbh

But those are the compromises you need to make if you fly with a controller I guess

[hollow oracle]

gear i always have bound, because of takeoff/landing, but if im going to use the speed brake, 99 times out of 100 im going to be on AP and monitoring speed

[reef isle]

Yeah but what if you need to remove them as you're leveling off?

You need to watch altitude, speed and removing the spoilers at the same time, unless you want A/T to throttle up way too much

Then you remove the spoilers, A/T doesn't realise instantly, overshoots the speed,then goes almost idle to recapture the speed, etc...

[hollow oracle]

like this

of course that assumes your instruments are reliable, but this is in-sim and on an xbox controller, they are reliable

[reef isle]

Fair enough, wouldn't work in the A320 though 😭

[hollow oracle]

yeah it would, i know it does because thats how i flew it before i got the airbus stuff

another massive issue, is that if i were to use my actual yoke, i dont have rudders, and MSFS doesnt have an option to choose what the tillers use

in xplane, you at least have the option for the tillers to use roll intead of yaw

lightbulb

using the bumpers as shift keys is extremely handy, the only issue is that you kind of have to ignore the axis' with them because of camera

xplane doesnt think about the bumpers as shift keys though, its purely just 1 button for 1 input, so that control scheme isnt possible to transfer 1:1

i could even do bumper dpad up/down for speedbrakes

for some reason speedbrakes dont want to move with keybinds, but arming works

not to spam 8 billion tiny variations, but this is kinda my final control setup

oh fuck yeah, chaseplane will automatically switch to cinematic mode after 5 minutes of inactivity, which makes cruise really cool

[valid thicket]

great fun with HMD on too

[reef isle]

couldn't sleep so decided to fly

probably will regret it

[full plank]

I am also currently virtually aviating

[reef isle]

MSFS VOR moment...

Xplane spoiled me so much

I'll probably pick up MVC at 70NM if I'm lucky, 40 if I'm not

[hollow oracle]

well, theyre both low-altitude VORs

[reef isle]

yeah it's probably realistic

Xplane would have given both of them 70NM I think

if not more

[hollow oracle]

i think low altitude is 70-40nm, high altitude is 100+

[reef isle]

that's what I meant by Xplane spoling me

[reef isle]

It depends™️

but that's roughly right

although both of them were 40 in MSFS 🥲

in Xplane it would have been on the edge but fine (70 outbound 70 inbound)

most likely

[hollow oracle]

if you're over southern louisiana, then i would definitely have expected 70 tbh

[reef isle]

to be fair, I should have gone through SJI

but thought I could (literally) cut that corner

[hollow oracle]

ive made that mistake many times, especially when it comes to planning my own routes 😅

[reef isle]

I mean... It worked out so

good enough

[hollow oracle]

is that the motherfokker

no, the DC-9?

[hollow oracle]

first flight back in MSFS

weird landing, floated, but the runways at YSSY are meant for like A380s and shit, so no biggie

situational awareness overrides technique in that case

[hollow oracle]

its kind of funny how my top 3 smoothest landings have all been in xplane

B742, B739, and B752, all under 100fpm

[full plank]

sim decided it was wintery in Ireland for some reason

but thats another pond hop in the bag

[hollow oracle]

I watching Pink Floyd the wall, Concorde jumpscare

[reef isle]

Yep, DC9

[rustic charm]

If flying the DC-6 and the 727 taught me anything, that is that MSFS VORs suck

That’s why my latest flight, DC-6 KBFI to PANC, I literally was planning to dead reckon the whole way. Then ended up going VFR (cause I realised that I was east of the Rockies’ snow caps and I definitely shouldn’t have been east of the Rockies)

Also the DC-6 is so fun, I’ve done 3 flights in it and that airframe literally has 3 engines in critical condition and one engine in bad condition

[reef isle]

Before Xplane I definitely had the opinion that they weren't that bad

I think I genuinely just got spoiled

[trim harbor]

bobby

@reef isle https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim/comments/1kdo60m/just_flight_f70_f100_pro_in_beta/

[hollow oracle]

IXEG 737? :(

thats another one that im dying to get, but only XP12 now, they completely discontinued the XP11 version

[reef isle]

ey, I also flew the classic today

[reef isle]

yeah, I had to get rid of some dust from my tricorne hat and eye patch for that unfortunately,

[hollow oracle]

i was thinking the same thing, but in my sailing i havent found the right island to hunt for treasure yet

i wish they would have done the same thing as rotate with their MD-80, leave the XP11 version up, with extremely rare updates, so it's at least available if you want to try it at your own risk

[trim harbor]

playing xplane made me realize how shit it runs for me

medium w 20 fps

msfs high w 80

im doin smh wrong

[hollow oracle]

definitely, for me its the complete opposite

the robots are going to kill us one day

WHY DOES HE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT MY SETUP

WHY DOES HE KNOW IM INTO FLIGHT SIM

[reef isle]

version is 1.33

latest xp11

[trim harbor]

i wish

also xp just looks kinda junk for me

idk how everyones looks good

[hollow oracle]

autoortho all the way

[trim harbor]

thats using ME

[reef isle]

that's decent apart from the lighting

[trim harbor]

although, not the paid version

[hollow oracle]

it might just be a weird or old capture then

[reef isle]

what is ME?

[trim harbor]

map enhancement

[reef isle]

I have everything completely stock

[trim harbor]

https://x-plane.to/file/1559/x-plane-map-enhancement

[reef isle]

I only use Active Sky for the weather

[trim harbor]

i prefer this over autoortho

personally

[hollow oracle]

every day its like i find another reason to upgrade to xplane 12

US airways does flights between pittsburgh and frankfurt in A330-300s, which happens to be the default airbus in xp12

plus hawaiian has a bunch, its my first airbus in xplane, and the freighter is cool too

and the F-14 too, but i dont know how often id fly that one

i think the default MD-80 got a big upgrade too? i've heard the default one is actually worth flying in XP12

[hollow oracle]

its from 1985, so kind of early into its life

[hollow oracle]

Fuck… there’s a Family Guy episode in the newest season where Brian gets into flight simulators

Model trains and flight simulators are the surface level “wow these hobbies are for sad old men” hobbies

[rustic charm]

Well

Flight sim is my number 1 way of dealing with sadness and depression

So that’s not totally wrong, although I’m not old

[worthy dawn]

I cannot be arsed to watch stuff like Family Guy or South Park

I like animation, but I like things to be more "wholesome" than purely cynical

[rustic charm]

Never watched any of it apart from occasional yt shorts

Tbh I mostly just watch youtube, no tv shows, films or series most of the time

[hollow oracle]

the default asobo 747-8 is very underrated

flies awesome, doesnt have the depth as something like PMDG, but on the surface level its pretty realistic

for being literally free especially

[hollow oracle]

autothrottle screwed me a bit, i thought it disarmed but it did not

the 747s are fun because theyre very easy landers, theyre heavy so they sink quick which is good for people who overflare like me, and those giant ass wings will slow you down quick when you flare

[untold finch]

It's good, just wish they flew some shorter routes. One trip from Seattle to Alaska was long enough for me, can't imagine crossing the pacific with it

[hollow oracle]

crossing the pacific is probably one of the hardest things you can do in a flight sim, it’s the ultimate endurance challenge

[untold finch]

For civvie sims sure, it's hard to find the time

[hollow oracle]

It’s just you, the plane, and infinite water for 8 hours

[reef isle]

this is the way to fly in the pacific

[untold finch]

Or this

[rustic charm]

Now imagine if it’s just you, the 727, 7 hours of water and clearly not enough fuel to make it

That’s for now the only way I crossed the Pacific lol

And I’m gonna be redoing that soon enough

The whole flight was a roller coaster of
“I think I’m fine, I’ll make it”
“I’M NOT MAKING IT”
“This seems to be fine”

[reef isle]

Frecce incident

Apparently everyone is ok, and it was the result of a bird strike

[azure dome]

LAX-HNL

[hollow oracle]

ifly?

[azure dome]

Yessir

The first flight I’ve done with it was only a short hop from Burbank to Las Vegas

It was mainly for handling training & practicing landings

[hollow oracle]

the ifly and the fenix are two of the best purchases i have ever made for MSFS

kind of controversial, but ive enjoyed the ifly max 8 much more than the PMDG 737s

PMDG kind of feels stuck in their own ways

[full plank]

I like the iFly, just want compatibility with FS24

[hollow oracle]

last ive heard, thats pretty close?

[full plank]

Yea seems like it, feel with FS24 we have a decent amount of Airbus Narrowbody & Widebody, just need a Boeing narrowbody

Then I could be half tempted to switch sims in fairness

[hollow oracle]

im not sure if anyone here has much experience in hardware maintenance, but my airbus stick is starting to feel kinda dry, it has some dust and crumbs in the ball part of it and its starting to feel kinda grind-y

im interested in what to use as far as cleaning, grease, and dust-free storage goes

[untold finch]

Nyogel 767a is the recommended grease iirc

[hollow oracle]

Holy shit, $15/oz

Is it just silicone grease otherwise?

Or I could pull a Boeing and use dish soap

[reef isle]

FUCK ME

why do I enjoy watching this stuff?

just realized I spent 20 minutes looking at that video

I swear, if I describe to people what kind of stuff I enjoy they'd guess I'm at the very least in my 50s

Guess I'll go back to making my Hughes Airwest livery for the DC-9 🥲

why am I like this

[dusky leaf]

Edinburgh

[azure dome]

Early morning departure out of Burbank for a transcontinental flight to Sarasota

[hollow oracle]

the A380 continues to dissapoint

i have a mod that makes all textures 1k maximum and it is STILL extremely laggy

i really want to make a mod that removes just the empty holes into the fuselage and puts those MSFS faux windows in its place, because having nothing in there makes it look like garbage

makes me feel like im on my old PC again, 20FPS

performs worse than the fenix now, funnily enough

wtf, MSFS is only usinmg 20% GPU?

[hollow oracle]

it is not a viable long-haul candidate compared to literally any other aircraft

[hollow oracle]

i am now realizing a massive design flaw with autoortho

the cache folder contains 7 million files, all around 15-20kb

nevermind

del /f /s /q "D:\Archive\autoortho_release\cache\*.*" works extremely well

it even gives you an output log of every file its deleting, which is helpful for tracking progress

[hollow oracle]

bear metal

[hollow oracle]

wasn't satisfied with the quality of the baremetal livery that's available

it turned into a "oh ill just fix the metallic channel" to "im redoing the entire livery to the point where i can release this"

[agile oak]

s h i n y

[hollow oracle]

the 742 is not an easy aircraft to get the approach right

its okay to land, but approach is the killer

too close of a final and youll stall out and crash in the rush to get down to speed, and too slow of a final approach speed means youll stall out when you get near the runway

[runic hare]

Lol

Someone forgot to secure a trolley in the back galley

That’s what happens to a FD Door when something is pelted at full speed from the other end of the aircraft

[dusky leaf]

Oof! Someone looking for a new job?

[runic hare]

I would imagine so

[hollow oracle]

:(

cant import a coroute, cant manually input the route because the route page wont take airways, even with the latest airac

nevermind, trying to import a company route just breaks the route page

[reef isle]

is this an ancient ixeg version?

[hollow oracle]

i got it sorted, but its 1.33

[reef isle]

huh, interesting, with 1.33 you should even be able to do your own custom waypoints

nice to hear that you sorted that out

[hollow oracle]

i dont mind manually typing flight plans, infact i actually kind of like the programming, but obviously sometimes its just easier to import it

[reef isle]

oh I see, yeah I always do it manually

that's probably why I never ran into that

but you should be able to use airways

they always worked for me

[hollow oracle]

yeah, if you try to import a flight plan and it gives an error, the route page breaks, resetting the aircraft fixes it

[reef isle]

ah fair, the only times I broke it was when I tried to load some procedures for Tegel

I think it conflicted with the latest airac in some way

[hollow oracle]

it wouldnt surprise me if its user error, i really hate how every aircraft needs its own seperate flight plan format in xplane

[reef isle]

I didn't even know you could do that tbh

but yeah, sounds like a PITA

[hollow oracle]

hm, for some reason i cant arm LNAV or VNAV on the ground either

no throttle movement either?

apparently xpuipc is an issue with it

[reef isle]

yeah same

I always assumed it was a limitation of the plane?

I always take off in HDG mode, then switch to LNAV, FLC and increase the speed as soon as I can

[hollow oracle]

downgraded xpuipc and the throttles work now

[hollow oracle]

i love flight simulators

if im lucky i might be able to take off before 7:00 tonight

after troubleshooting for 1 1/2 hours

[hollow oracle]

nope

might have a solution, dont know

[rustic charm]

I don’t think I ever imported a flight plan xD

I either don’t use the FMC at all or type it in manually

[hollow oracle]

yeah, doesnt work, it only goes up to 1.2

[hollow oracle]

thats kind of depressing, you really cant do VOR to VOR in canada

[hollow oracle]

finally gave kyiv a visit

it was more of a challenge than i expected, there's no weather stations in ukraine at the moment, so i had to use (incorrect) weather data out of belarus

its also the first time ive flown an airbus in like 4-5 months, which was fun, the fenix performed great too

[runic hare]

Try a wizz 321 into Zhuliany

Very fun

[trim harbor]

what do u use for the camera?

[hollow oracle]

As far as the stills go, just the default one

[reef isle]

you might get lucky with NDBs

but they have a god awful range in MSFS

[rustic charm]

Don’t NDBs in MSFS only work for like 50 ish miles?

Really in Canada there is not much in terms of navaids overall

Not many airports either

It’s empty

[hollow oracle]

Try doing that over the Canadian north, it’s nothing but bears

[rustic charm]

To fly over northern Canada you’ll really need at least an INS or GPS preferably

[reef isle]

If you're lucky yes

[reef isle]

@rustic charm is this Khabarovsk?

[rustic charm]

That’s Krasnoyarsk

[reef isle]

I'm sure this is, and it seems pretty similar

[reef isle]

Oh, thanks 😄

[rustic charm]

That is, yeah

No problem

[reef isle]

oh yeah no seeing it side by side it's not that similar

thanks, sorry

[rustic charm]

Oh no need for apologies

I assume that’s from some old timey timetable?

[reef isle]

ahah yeah

https://www.aviaposter.ru/images/007/007000112.jpg

Was looking for Vladivostock-Khabarovsk flights to link my Volanta flights

[rustic charm]

Oh nice

[rustic charm]

Tbh I hope to some day find some paper editions of old Aeroflot timetables

[rustic charm]

Some interesting flights there

[reef isle]

yeah I really like flying there, soviet airliners+sunrise (when flying at around this time for me)

[rustic charm]

Yeah, makes sense

I like that area overall tbh

It’s a beautiful part of the world

[reef isle]

indeed, big shame Xplane doesn't to it justice, but neither does MSFS to be completely honest, the satellite and photogrammetry there is pretty appalling

[rustic charm]

I should get more flights in Japan though. And with the 727 it is gonna be nice, there are good ANA liveries. Just need to know a delivery route

[reef isle]

it's awesome flying non-RNAV there, although I'm waiting for someone to make the JAS Rainbow livery for the 777

[rustic charm]

Yeah, tbh, at least Xplane has some nice airport sceneries I’m pretty sure

[reef isle]

yeah indeed

https://www.yesterdaysairlines.com/uploads/4/2/5/5/42559615/capture_333_orig.jpg

once someone makes this livery I'll buy the 772

[rustic charm]

Oh that looks fun

[reef isle]

Yeah, I also think you have the 777, I'm sure you can find some short haul japanese domestic flights 😄

[rustic charm]

Cause in MSFS there’s nothing for UHWW, UHHH, UHSS, UHMM… UHPP has a ‘decent enough’ level freeware version

I have actually found some dirt cheap payware for various airports in the region but all of those are sold by tiny devs, mostly through VK, which seem to be not active anymore, and purchasing seems to no longer work

[reef isle]

I see