Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[runic hare]

I’m not rostered to fly it

Same with billund

We are closing the base and all routes

[trim harbor]

whatttt

whyyyy

nooo

[trim harbor]

a350 lo

[trim harbor]

i enjoy it though

honestly it isnt bad

i dont get the hate

[trim harbor]

@hollow oracle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhtDD-WYLi0

[rustic charm]

It doesn’t look bad either

I’d buy it if it weren’t for the price

[trim harbor]

it has its icks

but im not a hardcore simmer anymore so meh

[runic hare]

Taxes

[dusky leaf]

anyone looking for a flightsim?

https://www.nobleflightsim.com/product-page/nfs-cirrus-cockpit-trainer

[hollow oracle]

LOL

when your product is so unoptimized, that people are using 256x256 N64 textures to get any sort of normal performance

[runic hare]

Nice

That’s actually a first

EasyJet tray

[hollow oracle]

it turns out that its a lot easier to fly the MD-11 when your actually paying attention to where your TOD is

i signed up for fedex VAC and its fun, im doing my first flight

they dont allow simrate, but they do allow pausing thankfully

[hollow oracle]

im starting to get the negatives to rating a landing based on fpm

i have a -400fpm landing, but 1.02gs, by all accounts that is a very smooth landing with a little bit of a steep approach

the biggest piece of information that has helped me with learning how to land a lot smoother, is that you should hit 50 just as your crossing the runway threshold bars, the rest is mostly just keeping it centered, and a continuous slope down, and flaring appropriately

[rustic charm]

Tbh this is what I don’t quite get about VAs

Allowing and forbidding things

Why not let people fly the way they prefer? Why does it have to be so strict and serious?

[trim harbor]

there was a va which prohibited doing pause

lol

[rustic charm]

My friend told me about a VA that had some very strict rules, I was quite surprised. It was BA iirc

What he told me is that they had a whole ass application, then you had to do an exam proving you know how to fly? And after that they would make you a first officer which meant you could only do short hauls on narrowbodies for some reason (as if there are no FOs on widebodies). And it’s just weird, I myself wouldn’t be to bothered since that’s what I mostly do anyway, but in this case we’re talking about a friend whose most-flown plane averages 9 hours per flight

[trim harbor]

yes BA is ultra strict

i was apart of them

although

i like the 'hour' system where u have to get certain hours to unlock more aircraft

it's a level system and gives u a sense of achievement and stuff to do

thats my opinion though

somethign like 50 hours for a350 or sumnth

NOT 250 hours

[rustic charm]

My fcking total is 250 now 😭

[full plank]

only VA I am in at the moment is Fly UK, might be fictional but they're nice people to talk to & they don't have like a billion trillion rules

[trim harbor]

flyuk is good

i dont like their system though

skytrack

[full plank]

I think its alright, im not one to really be interested in a program telling me exactly what I fly & how I fly, just that I get from point A to B

[trim harbor]

and tbh

fictional clears real airline

[full plank]

not one for fictional stuff usually, but its nice that its run like a real airline would

Fly2 summer schedules are 🔥

definitely one of my favourite franchises to fly

[trim harbor]

i fly for vas from time to time but

they limit

[full plank]

FlyUK is the only VA I regularly fly for, used to fly for Walker Air a whole lot but just kinda died out

[trim harbor]

what i like abt alker is that

[full plank]

even after the drama

[trim harbor]

any plane any route

their livery (regardless of drama) is just kinda poo

their concept is coool tho

[full plank]

retro was the only one that I kinda enjoyed

VA itself was alright in fairness

[trim harbor]

i used to fly qvirtual alot

[full plank]

I tried BAVirtual for a time, just wasn't active enough to really give a shit

[trim harbor]

thats the realistic baw isnt it

[full plank]

back when I didn't really play flight sim regularly

yea

with the whole entrance exam & shit

[trim harbor]

oh

they have a cool community

but the take it too serious

u couldnt fly to haneda until you had like 250 hours and have done an exam and chrckride as PIC

which i found dumb

[full plank]

it was alright, I like FlyUKs concept of fly, rank up & get to fly even more shit

[trim harbor]

if it wasnt for the damn saked

'change frequency to xyz'

[full plank]

luckily I joined right as they had the rank free weekend, so easy to get to Class D

[full plank]

sometimes works, sometimes doesn't

[trim harbor]

airwego is also good

[runic hare]

From yesterday

[hollow oracle]

At least with the simrate stuff, it makes pilot hours feel a lot more special when you acquire them, if you see a guy with 100 pilot hours in a VA with no simrate, it’s a lot more impressive

Especially since the fedex VAC does pilot hours as a sort of seniority system, where you rank up via hours

At least with the fedex one, it seems quite lenient, but they also want you to do quality flights and being active by doing 1 flight every 3 months

[rustic charm]

Well, that sounds more or less fine

And I do agree with hours feeling more special, I never used simrate myself

It does make my flights and routes feel more real, at least to me. If I have a line on volanta going from Moscow to Denpasar, that means I did really spend 12 hours to get there

[full plank]

think the longest flight I've done is 16 hours, Chicago to Dubai

[mild zenith]

Or if you take a look on your profile stats and you know, all these hours you really spend flying

[rustic charm]

That is a fair distance

Ngl I probably won’t handle much more than 12 hours

[mild zenith]

I like me shorter flights, more to do 😛

[rustic charm]

I’m a mix, I either do something under 2 hours, or something over 6 lol

[full plank]

I booked a week off from work purely just for flying, only because I rarely ever fly when coming home from work cos im too tired

[rustic charm]

Honestly I don’t really do any specific kind of flights

I often just randomly choose destinations

[full plank]

I do endeavour to try the London to Perth flight, if I ever get the time for it

& then the Singapore Airlines stuff when the ULR drops, but im happy just doing a standard pond hop, they're decent fun

[rustic charm]

Sometimes I just do flights I’ve been on in reality (Moscow to Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk or Bangkok as examples), or places I would love to visit in reality (just did a Moscow to Petropavlovsk-Kamchatskiy recently)

Then there are times I literally just choose random stuff, kind of “I wanna do a 3-hour flight in a 737 out of JFK, let’s see what there is on flightradar”

And sometimes I just wanna push the planes to their limits, like how I decided to cross from Cold Bay, Alaska into Japan in a 727

[full plank]

I was bored on a random sunday, so I decided to fly London to Hong Kong

[mild zenith]

Thats me usually

[full plank]

Kai Tak too cause I didn't have scenery for the new airport at the time

[rustic charm]

Oh, Kai Tak is great fun

Not even gonna try it for now since the only plane I’d be confident going there in is the 737

[full plank]

oh yea, used to do Kai Tak loads in P3D

[rustic charm]

Well, I mean not gonna try actual flights

[full plank]

747, 777, 737, 320, 321, all the aircraft

[trim harbor]

i flew heathrow to perth once

terrible

thats one time i was actually super cautious about load

[full plank]

wanted to do it in the Concorde too, but one has uninstalled P3D now

[rustic charm]

I did already do a couple practice laps around there, touch and gos. I’m pretty sure I was a bit drunk when I came up with that, doing touch and gos in Kai Tak in a 777 at night

[rustic charm]

Did 320s/321s actually go there?

Cause tbh for me Kai Tak is pretty much entirely associated with earlier widebodies

747-100/200/300, L1011, A300/310, DC-10/MD-11 kind of stuff

[mild zenith]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/79691705@N05/9526025793

Apparently so

[trim harbor]

a320 with black wheelcaps

w

[rustic charm]

Yeah tbh not too surprising, of course there was regional traffic, plus 1998 was not that long ago after all

Just feels kinda weird to me

[mild zenith]

Actually the last arrival to Kai Tak was an A320 aswell

[rustic charm]

Wait that is not an F28 there is it?

Does look like one

No actually the 28 is shorter and has smaller engines

[trim harbor]

md80 mayb

[rustic charm]

But that’s a Fokker for sure

[trim harbor]

they had f28s

[rustic charm]

An F70 or an F100, certainly

[trim harbor]

https://cdn.plnspttrs.net/25985/b-2232-china-eastern-airlines-fokker-100-f28-mark-0100_PlanespottersNet_236254_fc18c5d5c8_o.jpg

[mild zenith]

nah md80 is too long

[trim harbor]

nah it a fokker

[rustic charm]

That’s an F100

[trim harbor]

old aviation was sm better istg

o mb

[rustic charm]

Didn’t know they called 100s that

[trim harbor]

neither did i

so i assumed it was a f28

lmao

[rustic charm]

But tbh that’s possible

Yeah, so looks like I have some ideas where to fly the F100 once it’s out (hopefully not far off now, I hope it cones before summer)

[mild zenith]

Do you have the kai tak scenery

[rustic charm]

Only the default for now

[hollow oracle]

if i can use it, i will, personally i just dont see the value in sitting real-time for like 12 hours

[rustic charm]

To me it just feels more special, idk. I can totally see why people use it, sitting 12 hours straight while doing nothing is not for everyone. Best you can is just leave and do other stuff. But for me it’s just quite simple - if I don’t have the time to connect the dots on the map, those dots won’t be connected.

[trail monolith]

Jemwings

[wide zenith]

so real

[reef isle]

Yeah

It's the bane of my existence when trying to find some F28 photos

F28-0100 and F28-0070 are the F100 and F70

[green egret]

just got fenix and WOW i've been missing out

[hollow oracle]

it is exceptional, though their devs are... not the best personalities

[full plank]

A350 was fun, back to the tried & tested 777

[rustic charm]

Triples are lovely

[full plank]

atleast I can rest easy knowing I can do a long haul from A to B without any fuss

[trail monolith]

Seems like the FS24 marketplace is finally open and also you can upgrade to premium deluxe via steam now https://store.steampowered.com/app/3341960/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator_2024__Premium_Deluxe_Upgrade/

Steam

Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 - Premium Deluxe Upgrade

Please be careful when purchasing. This offer does NOT include the Standard Edition of Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024. This purchase is only for people that already own the Standard Edition or have a Game Pass subscription that grants them access to the Standard Edition. Upgrade* from Standard Edition to the Premium Deluxe Edition and receive t...

Price

$79.99

[rustic charm]

I thought of upgrading to 2024

But my laptop would burn down

The issue with it is PMDG 747s are being made for FS24

[woeful elbow]

Might be making the bigest mistake of my life

Me and my brother trying the a350

[hollow oracle]

people are WAY too harsh on the A350

yeah, its not great, but its also not bredok3d

[woeful elbow]

well I mean, Idk how hes got the a350 without buying it

[hollow oracle]

i would say that it's on par with the FBW A380 as far as systems go, the flight model needs improvement (but there's already a mod that fixes that, so...)

[woeful elbow]

mhhm

downside is my brother finds mods before testing the plane

[hollow oracle]

its not fenix by any means, but i dont regret buying it, and ill still happily fly it

[woeful elbow]

so we installed custom views

ofc it doesnt work xd

[trim harbor]

+1

The a350 is good

Fenix said its bad and all of a sudden it‘s bad

Lmao

[woeful elbow]

Lmao

[trim harbor]

The usual cycle

[hollow oracle]

EXACTLY

[trim harbor]

I swear I read posts on how good it is before that

[woeful elbow]

Well idk what version the 350 we have, but i just had a go at him bc hes told me hes got it from a external website....

[trim harbor]

I might be wrong though

[trail monolith]

or some chinese site

[woeful elbow]

we on fs20

so most likely yeah

💀

well lets see how it goes lol

LMFAO

ive just googled it

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/josémourinho-big-trouble-if-i-speak-prefer-not-to-speak-interview-gif-16725048

[woeful elbow]

well i think 350 is ok but will have to find out once done flight

[full plank]

350 is okay, just the AP disconnecting randomly midflight & A.Floor kicking in on a longhaul that annoys me

no issues otherwise with shit like WASM crashes

[untold finch]

I don't think anyone from Fenix said it was bad per se, just that it was not as high fidelity as they'd have liked. Reddit just took that and ran off with it

I'm at the point where I just think IniBuilds are a bit odd

[full plank]

I have no doubt the 350 is gonna be far better down the line

[woeful elbow]

so far so good

[full plank]

& tbf I have no issues with lower fidelity aircraft, I bought the LVFR 321neo with the Horizon mod & thats alright in fairness

[untold finch]

They make such a variety of addons, which is nice, but the depth of simulation seems to vary quite a bit which is odd - means it's a bit of a gamble as to what you're buying.
They make great looking scenery, but it's really poorly optimised compared to some of their rivals' work.
There's also the time they sent me a box of free stuff for no apparent reason, then asked me to post about it on social media (I don't have any social media) and then immediately (before I could even reply) saying not to worry about it and sorry for asking...

Like, they seem to be quite customer-friendly which is good

I just can't really get a reliable sense of who their products are aimed at

[trail monolith]

Quite cheap atleast

[untold finch]

Yeah their pricing is definitely fair

I think PMDG are only going to seem more archaic as time goes on, with their massively inflated prices

[rustic charm]

Wish we did have a better 340 though

[untold finch]

Fenix and IniBuilds proved that you can sell a good product for a reasonable price

[untold finch]

Amen, I see them overhead every so often, love seeing a proper quad jet

[full plank]

just awaiting the FSLabs 321neo then the LVFR will be collecting dust

[rustic charm]

I wouldn’t say that ini is always reasonable price tbh

[full plank]

already kinda doing that tbh don't do 321neo shit often

[untold finch]

ngl I'm just waiting for Falcon BMS 4.38 at this point

[rustic charm]

Bunch of stuff I’m waiting for

Doesn’t mean I’ll get all of course

[full plank]

after several episodes of Suits, we've landed

[rustic charm]

But most excited about JF 3B4, PMDG 74 classics and the 757

[full plank]

& my munich scenery is broken again, fuck sakes

[rustic charm]

Out of 74 classics though I want the SP the most. Hopefully PMDG will do them justice

[reef isle]

I found the jankyest way possible to fly on VATSIM using DCS

For legal reasons the above is a joke and I always follow the CoC to the letter

[full plank]

okat found the issue, not the scenery thats broken

just the WU18 Munich thats somehow installed

[hollow oracle]

Tbf, it’s only “good” because it’s the only 321neo in 2020, horizon stopped developing for it because LVFR stopped them

The fenix 321 blows it out of the water anyway, if I want to fly a 321, I’m flying the fenix before the horizon one

[full plank]

if im flying a 321ceo, its usually the FSLabs 321 for me

neo, its the LVFR... obviously till FSLabs releases theirs

not sure why people are so up in arms about high fidelity aircraft, most people just do the bog standard setup the MCDU & fly & would have fuck all clue on how the rest works

[runic hare]

That could be a website banner lmao

[hollow oracle]

What aircraft is that

Boeing cockpit, IAE engines, weird ass tumor chin

[trail monolith]

Airbus A330-200

[runic hare]

Nah it’s a 330-200F

The tumor on the bottom is to raise the nose landing gear for cargo loading

To make the floor of the aircraft flat

A330’s naturally are nose down especially -200’s

This alleviates that issue

[runic hare]

Oh also

RB 500 engines

Not IAE’s

[woeful elbow]

Ok, I like the 350 now

[trim harbor]

Sexy pic

[woeful elbow]

JFK-EGKK

[woeful elbow]

on descent into lhr

[hollow oracle]

ngl, if someone could make GTA V and all of its runways and stuff in MSFS, i would do so many flights around there

[rustic charm]

Tbh you could probably add an island somewhere in the middle of the ocean and it’d work I reckon

But really flying there would make no sense, you’d be basically just doing holds cause the distances are too short to go through a proper takeoff, climb up and have time to set up for the descent and landing

[hollow oracle]

true, the runways are microscopic, even at the los santos international airport, you could probably only land a cessna

[hollow oracle]

hm, xplane 11 is on sale for like $10 right now

fuck it, i bought it

[runic hare]

Enhanced Skyscapes + Vivid_Sky.lua

my go to for good looking XP11 shit

[hollow oracle]

not quite understanding how xp-11 works, but for $10 im not regretting it

[hollow oracle]

my biggest issue with xplane is EASILY the controls, they make literally no sense

i want to set it up how i have it in MSFS, but it just wont work

no options for deadzones, no options to bind axis to more than one option,

[hollow oracle]

okay, im at my limit with xplane, im considering refunding it

this is a garbage "simulator", even worse than anything DTG could put out

[hollow oracle]

I’ve figured out controls, so tomorrow I’m going to give a flight a shot

If I can nail a few flights in the 737, I might buy the rotate MD-11, because I’ve heard it’s exceptionally good, even compared to the TFDi one

[dusky leaf]

Why an unfamiliar flightsim is a chew - you dont know how to do anything

[mild zenith]

If you give up on a flight simulator that fast just because of initial setup difficulties, you're missing out on one of the most detailed and realistic experiences available. X-Plane isn't 'trash'. Just because it didn’t work for you right away doesn’t mean it’s 'garbage.' Maybe take some time to learn the settings before making such a sweeping statement. A bit of patience and learning go a long way ....

[hollow oracle]

I was frustrated, but I still maintain that the key binding setup leaves a LOT to be desired

I can fly aircraft like I can in MSFS at least, minus camera control on my controller, and reverse thrust is a weird binding

If I can do a few flights in the zibo 737 tomorrow, and if I can get used to the sim, I have no issues sinking some money into it

Though, I have a hard time coming up with a reason to get any of the A320s in that sim, considering I already own the fenix in MSFS

[hollow oracle]

I’ve heard that the MD-11 in XP is second to none though, and I’m curious on how the flight dynamics stack up between sims, not to mention it’s literally my favorite aircraft ever built

[runic hare]

Camera control on an Xbox controller is the single worst thing that MSFS has

Sorry but I don’t what yet another USB plugged in on top of rudder pedals, yoke, keyboard, mouse, headphones

I still call it easy dock or whatever the P3D plugin was with the set views

Main is W then other views assigned on the numpad

The defaults for XP are a little scuffed

If you want a free camera the C and use full stop and comma to move around

Can also use arrow keys to move around a bit smother

In the cockpit view you can use those controls to move around

If your used to the MSFS Xbox controller then it will take some time getting used to but believe me it’s easier

[runic hare]

Wait hold on do you just have the thrustmaster Airbus side stick?

Because this is a known issue with it where the yaw axis becomes fucked because the cabling inside is too tight

https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim/s/IBeUfWMRkw

I had the exact same issue but I fixed it too late so the sensor was already fucked

[reef isle]

they make a lot more sense to me compared to MSFS

but that might be because I'm coming from DCS

[untold finch]

DCS control binding is, imo, the gold standard

Separate, per-aircraft bindings is something I really missed in MSFS 2020

Plus the ability to bind a switch's "off state" to anything is really useful

[reef isle]

It's a widespread Thrustmaster issue

also affects the Hotas X/One and T16000

[dusky leaf]

XP also has per aircraft and per aircraft type control setups

[hollow oracle]

Yes, and the throttles, but for yoke aircraft I like using an Xbox controller (I know)

[dusky leaf]

An xbox controller is good in dcs, not for flying, but for sensors etc

[green egret]

trust me xplane is a way better simulator than msfs

you just need to figure it out

[hollow oracle]

I have most flight control surfaces bound to my controller, except reverse thrust, which is right stick button, and the right stick has nothing tied to it

The bumpers are trim too, which works, but is really not ideal

its kind of funny how every sim has their version of the FBW A320, the big freeware, study level aircraft

ive been messing around with the zibo 737 and it handles and runs just like the PMDG one, and there's that max 8 mod (which is apparently really controversial) thats extremely good too

speaking of the zibo B738, why

[trim harbor]

https://x.com/eagledynamics/status/1900562814722621909

Eagle Dynamics (@eagledynamics) on X

The Cold War is officially coming with the DCS: Cold War Germany map from Ugra-Media. Set in the 1980s and spanning 980x800 km, this superb new terrain will cover West Germany, East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, and the Low Countries. https://t.co/FP7mCFGcYJ

X · Mar 14, 2025, 3:01 PM

oh.

holy shit its fucking massive

[untold finch]

And it's made by Ugra so it'll actually be good

[trim harbor]

perfect for some phantom opos

maybe it'll be released with the mig

w

[untold finch]

And Gazelle, if it survives long enough to see the release

[trim harbor]

i've been meanign to fly dcs

but then

\i wanna fly bms

[untold finch]

I haven't been missing DCS at all honestly

I will probably only take my simpit out of storage after BMS 4.38 drops

[trim harbor]

meh

i wanna fly phanto,

[hollow oracle]

im definitely liking how open-source of a feel xplane gives, there's a LOT of freeware plugins for stuff that is usually payware in sims like MSFS

the default airports are also in another league, i dont even feel like i really need payware scenery to enjoy flying to them

i got simcoders headshake, and it makes flying, especially turbulence and stuff, feel WAY more realistic

its a little bit intense, but compared to MSFS where your basically glued to your seat and the only indication your going through turbulence is the yoke shaking (if your even in an aircraft with a mechanical yoke), its leagues better

[trim harbor]

U need to get fsrealistic

Also

I recommend autoortho

For xplane

In combination with simheaven x world

Looks esp good on 12

[hollow oracle]

ive heard that fsrealistic is kind of a bust, most of the features are so small or over-the-top that people end up turning most of them off, and it makes landings seem harder than they actually are

famous 737 max feature: the wings flap to give you extra lift

[trail monolith]

https://youtu.be/7jOHpLSjzJk?si=Gqy-ppb5oK9chGH7 Kid doing a review

[hollow oracle]

LMAO

i was like "kid? probably like 18-20"

aaron rheins has made this hobby insufferable as far as social media goes

[trim harbor]

whos that

[hollow oracle]

youve seen him, he's the mr beast of flight sims in that his content is extremely "trendy" and low-quality

https://youtube.com/shorts/lJAbSCTH0A8?si=9O7EE3mrIb_AbtBL

[trail monolith]

https://youtu.be/pRYCkbbScKU?si=YT1TfAZH0hE67qJN

[hollow oracle]

i love scrolling his page and seeing the same face png in the thumbnail of like 300 videos

[trail monolith]

Indeed

[trim harbor]

jfc

[echo gorge]

Hog fucking damn

Might actually fly dcs again for that

[dusky leaf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1073260960615239762/1350099753479704730/1220_Tease_4.png?ex=67d581e0&is=67d43060&hm=009c9bcb430f8b4b55163ef74949974b832573fcc3c49c7d5523cd6b2a459c8b&

High time it was sorted

Also cloud updates

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1073260960615239762/1348654937285853234/1220_Tease_1.png?ex=67d58649&is=67d434c9&hm=5343d3b1e913683909f8029a189bbc3f23ba29665ce36212ff8ee733703b9f62&

[runic hare]

it is a pain in the ass

thank fuck

[dusky leaf]

It is somewhat realistic (think driving your car with a low sun in your eyes) but I agree, its a PITA

[runic hare]

it should be a setting

[dusky leaf]

They dont believe in options nowadays

[dusky leaf]

Is there a decent/recommended ATR 42 or 72 or pref both for MSFS? def none in xp

[reef isle]

Excellent

[reef isle]

There's only the Microsoft one

Which is ok

[trail monolith]

Isn't that the Expert one?

[rustic charm]

I’ve heard it’s reasonably good, haven’t got it myself yet

Costs just a bit and you get both the 42-600 and the 72-600 iirc

[dusky leaf]

Anyone know how to make discord badges? I would like one for a flying group I belong to

[rustic charm]

Not sure how exactly it’s done, but you assign it through the roles tab. I guess it is just importing an image that then shows up with the role

[runic hare]

the Aerosoft one for XP is actually not awful if you can figure out how to get it

[hollow oracle]

i ended up getting the rotate MD-11

you actually get a very significant discount on the other variant than the one you purchased, i got the freighter, and because i did, the passenger version is only llike $35 now

[runic hare]

yeah

[hollow oracle]

its also taking like 8 hours to load because i downloaded a bunch of x-world stuff thats like 30GB

[runic hare]

if you want better than default autogen then SFD global

but enhanced skyscapes is an almost must

[hollow oracle]

where can i get it?

i cant find it

nvm, i think i found it, in their discord server

[runic hare]

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/48315-vivid-sky/

this as well

just chuck it in the FlyWithLua plugins

[hollow oracle]

hm. for some reason flywithlua quarantined a script

for some reason i have this weird cross at the center of my screen too, if i click on it, a box draws around it

[runic hare]

lmao?

why do you have mouse yoke

[hollow oracle]

and i dont have any scenery in atlanta

[runic hare]

do you have a custom airport?

or default

[hollow oracle]

im using that x-world stuff

[runic hare]

check the Scenery_packs.ini in your custom scenery folder

[hollow oracle]

found it, for some reason my xbox controller wasnt connected

[runic hare]

global airports should be above X-WORLD

[hollow oracle]

like this?

[runic hare]

above the demo areas

[hollow oracle]

like so?

[runic hare]

Blue is airports and library's (library's should be below the airports)
Red is where you want your Overlays, Large patches of scenery and green is where you want orthos and other things

ignore the blue below the red

thats me being lazy

if you want to see the XP landmarks then have them above the orthos

Sam Suite Library
Airports
Library's
Global Airports
Overlays, ORBX TE, X-World
Global Landmarks
Ortho's
Custom Meshes (including airport meshes)

thats how it should be

roughly

this is my XP12 one

very scuffed

but you see how it works kinda

[hollow oracle]

i c, works now

[rustic charm]

So uh, weird question

If I were to, say, buy FSX right now

What would be the essentials to get started? There are always at least some addons needed on top of the base game

[hollow oracle]

dont. just, dont.

its worse than you remember it

[rustic charm]

All I know of FSS is there are Russian planes, that’s quite something for me at this point

It can’t be that bad, right? Plus I’d pay like $1.5 for it right now

[hollow oracle]

meh, for that cheap i dont think you could go wrong, but dont go into it expecting a good sim

it hasnt aged very well

[hollow oracle]

i dont know why my speed is doing this

it does it on the 737 too

its like the autopilot is flying drunk

[hollow oracle]

it turns out, thats just moderate to severe turbulence over the appalachians

[runic hare]

Like $90 and about a week of your time to get it looking good and get working plugins

Excluding scenery and aircraft

[reef isle]

or just be me and have it 90% vanilla with just ActiveSky and (from time to time) AutoOrtho

[runic hare]

auto ortho?

in FSX?

[reef isle]

sorry I thought you were still talking about Xplane lol

well, it's even easier for FSX

[runic hare]

nah lmao

[reef isle]

as I have it completely stock

[runic hare]

I mean it just looks like ass stock

worse than XP

[reef isle]

eh, the whole world is there 🤷

[runic hare]

indeed

[reef isle]

I only download sceneries because I need them to be somewhat up to date for VATSIM

and I also have a live weather thingy

the only free software I could find

[trim harbor]

@reef isle

https://www.reddit.com/r/Xplane/comments/1jbuo02/not_sure_if_it_was_talked_here_but_theres_a/

[reef isle]

Cool yep I'm on this guy's Patreon

[reef isle]

(just the free tier)

[trim harbor]

ah

i didnt even know about this

[reef isle]

Cockpit looks a bit rubbish but looks like the systems are good

[trim harbor]

how close is it to release then

i cant even find anything on

[reef isle]

I just randomly looked for a Caravelle a few days ago (because unfortunately I remembered the Aeroplane Heaven one exists) and found it

[trim harbor]

youtube

[reef isle]

If you give this guy about 10€ on Patreon you can get it

[trim harbor]

yeye ik

[reef isle]

Not sure how far away it is from a complete release

[trim harbor]

i wouldnt lly it enough tho

thats a bit too old

for me

i like anything from 707 upwards

[reef isle]

Ah fair

Between this and the Comet I'm really happy

[trim harbor]

is there a comet

[reef isle]

Yep

[trim harbor]

bruh

[reef isle]

Has been in development since like 2007

[trim harbor]

wtf

[reef isle]

And the guy (which amazingly is still active) said that likely it'll release this year

[trim harbor]

oh shit i see what u mean

my god

[reef isle]

Yeah it's ridiculous 😆

[trim harbor]

yoooo

[reef isle]

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/29140-de-havilland-dh-106-comet/

[trim harbor]

that might actually

be an aircarft im interested in

i'd pay

the comet more or less is a special aircraft

[reef isle]

There's also one in the making for MSFS

[trim harbor]

the tupolev for msfs

[reef isle]

https://youtu.be/sMSxobFK_mY?si=N0M1IcZwFQ-RiMDR

[trim harbor]

that video popped up in my recomms

i watched it

highly interesting

and someone said thats one of the aircraft that crashed

[reef isle]

Yep

I watch way too many videos like this

[reef isle]

Oh really

[reef isle]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOAC_Flight_781

It was indeed 😬

[trim harbor]

holy shit what is that cockpit

back when aviation was more than just typing a few numbers into the fmc

jesus christ

[reef isle]

The Comet made its first flight 8 years after the Lancaster Bomber

[trim harbor]

quite amazing

navigator seat though

[reef isle]

So if the Comet did it's first flight today, they Lancaster's would have done its first flight in 2017

[trim harbor]

also totally unrelated but

concordes cockpit in hindsight

looks old

but

is pretty well organized

easier to navigate that thin than some modern aircraft w a billion screen options

the msfs one isnt good is it

[reef isle]

I still think the L-1011 was the absolute peak of steam gauges cockpits/systems, Mercure and Concorde were very good too.

[reef isle]

It's not too bad

[rustic charm]

Ngl I just hope MSFS will get some old planes too

There should be a Comet in dev

The 707… we don’t talk about that

Probably the only MSFS purchase I regret

The Caravelle… I don’t know if it even still exists tbh, it was supposed to be released alongside the 707 iirc…

Some Soviet jets would be wonderful, I would genuinely pay a fair $150 just for a high quality Il-62

[trim harbor]

IL62 MY LOVE

PLEASEEEE

prob my all time fav plane

[reef isle]

It's so sad that the FSX version is so mediocre

[rustic charm]

Il-86/Il-96 would be wonderful. Tu-154 would have a lot of use, not even just in Russia. You can fly Interflug, Malev, LOT, Tarom iirc too

[reef isle]

Yep

[rustic charm]

Fun how it’s still in commercial operation too

[reef isle]

At least there's a Tushka coming soon

[rustic charm]

Air Koryo flies a scheduled service to Vladivostok on them (well, sometimes it’s other planes, but often the 62)

And there is also a cargo airline in Belarus that still flies 62s too

[reef isle]

Going to do the Cross the Land Americas tonight with the Cubana Tu-154

[rustic charm]

ATC be like “Excuse me sir… what are you flying?”

[rustic charm]

Is it not good? I honestly considered getting FSX while it’s on sale on steam just to fly some Soviet planes cause iirc there are some freeware ones

[reef isle]

Actually the 154 is relatively popular, I usually get that kind of reaction if I fly the Mercure, Trident of VFW-614

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah, those are not as known certainly

Tbh surprised people don’t know about the Trident, I did know about it

But I personally had no idea of what the Mercure and VFW-614 were until I saw your screenshots here xD

[reef isle]

There are 2, and they'd complement each other fairly well unfortunately, I think someone managed to merge them, but not sure if that's publicly available.

One has all the navigation equipment and a very good looking model/cockpit but has next to nothing in terms of systems (APU, fuel, electric, etc...) I think the only way to start it is Ctrl+E, the other has these systems but very basic navigation/cockpit

[reef isle]

Ehejhe

[rustic charm]

Oh… well that’s a shame

Still, I guess at least having the plane is good

[reef isle]

I've known the Mercure for a long time but I also discovered the VFW relatively recently

When I saw it for the first time and read a bit of its history it was love at first sight

[rustic charm]

I guess MSFS will probably never get these kinds of planes… such a shame

[reef isle]

I need to learn to 3d model so I can make all this planes

Ahhahahaha

https://www.planeandpilotmag.com/uploads/2021/11/mcdonnell-119-220.jpg?auto=webp&auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1440

I want the real 220

[rustic charm]

Genuinely to make some good Soviet planes I would learn how to code stuff, I reckon with some trial and error I could make a plane work. But I just don’t have the hands for modelling, I can’t do it at all

Like, if I had a model, after a lot of time it would probably become functional, and after some more time maybe it would even have some good systems coded in

[reef isle]

Yeah same

I think I'd start with the Convair 880/990

To learn how to do stuff

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah, those would be nice

I reckon older planes are not as complicated to code as modern ones too. I mean, at least I’d expect making full VNAV/LNAV logic, as well as FMCs and stuff is complicated, more so than making the plane able to fly VORs

[trim harbor]

:(

https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim/comments/1jbwbw3/new_products_announced_by_winwing_at_fsweekend/

[rustic charm]

Yeah

Will probably be $2k or something

[trim harbor]

late 2025 :(

[trim harbor]

jal w

[rustic charm]

Gotta love arriving to Moscow

On Volanta it looks like I just decided to randomly turn left and right

[echo gorge]

https://youtu.be/q6QVUJTcgfA?si=wYVO1rYCtkwH4Mdn

[hollow oracle]

whats the difference between the levelup 737 and the zibo 737 anyway?

is one better than the other?

ive been using the zibo because there seems to be more liveries and stuff for it, the levelup is relatively new so there isnt much

[trim harbor]

levelup had better textures n stuff

[trim harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOUnJKFaL6o

now what i wanna know is

can you see the difference between east and west

or is it just buildings spammed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDVpp1-ARik

so based

[echo gorge]

I see eastern plattenbau in the video, but I didn't notice the border crossing itself so some of them may be in the west

[hollow oracle]

why the cold war specifically, am i missing something or is it a fictional thing

[echo gorge]

But given it's ugra, I expect it'll be done well

[trim harbor]

germany was the main "fighting area" during the cold war

technically said

[echo gorge]

Because the cold war is where dcs shines

[trim harbor]

best example of this is 'seven days to the rhine'

[echo gorge]

Not much point in a modern germany

[hollow oracle]

but its the cold war? its called the cold war because there was no actual fighting?

[trim harbor]

yes but if there were going to be wars

which dcs mostly simulates 'wannabe' wars

it'd be the area where it took place most

[echo gorge]

Yeah, but it's a video game 😅

[trim harbor]

yes

[hollow oracle]

true, im just kinda used to video games mimicing real wars tbh

[echo gorge]

And if you want high intensity peer on peer conflict in the cold war, Germany is the place to be

[hollow oracle]

ive really considered trying out DCS for the A-10, but the cost and space is extreme

[echo gorge]

Dcs has a lot of really nice things going for it, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend jumping in at present, not with all the drama that's happened during the past year

And honestly if you wanna do ground pounding I kinda feel bms does it better

But there's no better sim for combat helicopters than dcs

And the leatherneck/heatblur jets are impeccable

[trim harbor]

if u want to fly f18

fly f16 in bms

they're the same minus carrier

f16 cant really compare to the a10 imho

cant take too much equip

[hollow oracle]

air-to-air combat is way to fast-pace for me, i havent done any air-ground combat yet, but i feel like id absolutely love it

[trim harbor]

you overestimate air to air

most of the time its locking someone on at 25 miles

firing a missile or two

and flying away

just to go for a re attack a minute later

[hollow oracle]

i've messed around with air-to-air in VTOL VR and it is extreme

and that sim is dumbed down quite significantly

flying, managing throttles, and then trying to use targeting systems all at once is a LOT to manage for a solo pilot in a tiny, fast jet

bombers and transports are really where i shine, because its already what i enjoy doing, low-stakes cargo flying is just

[echo gorge]

I'd honestly just start with bms, it's almost free, has decent performance and has equivalent quality simulation for its simulated aircraft, as well as having the best dynamic campaign of any game

[trim harbor]

+1

[echo gorge]

Then if you like that and want to try other planes that dcs has, potentially move over then

DCS doesn't really do transports outside its helicopters (which are awesome)

[trim harbor]

c130 mod

[echo gorge]

And a c130 that is coming soon ™️

[echo gorge]

And this

[hollow oracle]

are there any sims with a good C-17? the freeware MSFS one makes me sad, and im too broke currently to get 2024 super ultra mega premium to get that version

[echo gorge]

Vrot noooooooooo

[trim harbor]

LOL

[echo gorge]

https://youtu.be/z53e6ctA-6w?si=gJeRDXYGpMbBnI7y

[trim harbor]

not the train nerding in dcs

lmaooo

[echo gorge]

Not that I'm aware of

[echo gorge]

It does look like a 255, so that's right, just wrong livery lol

Oops sorry for the ping

[dusky leaf]

FlightSim Studio have also announced the Boeing 727 Super 27 Expansion which will include a Modern Avionics Package, GPS, EFIS, Navigation Systems (FMS), Digital Gauges, and a New Autopilot system 🤮🤢

[echo gorge]

Eww

[rustic charm]

Yeah

Well

That’s what the Super 27 is isn’t it

[dusky leaf]

🤦‍♂️

[rustic charm]

I probably won’t be buying it, just not interested in any of that newer stuff

[trim harbor]

modern avionics package wwwwww

[hollow oracle]

tbh, the GNS-XLS is modern enough for me

just enough to still feel old, but modern enough to where i can fly it easy enough

[rustic charm]

The pax version though I’ll definitely get, you can only fly so much with painted on windows

[echo gorge]

Can't tell if it's a v200 or the Romanian shitboxes, era appropriate livery though is nice

[trim harbor]

isnt it the

ddr v200

which is called the uboat

[rustic charm]

Doc judging the map by trains

[echo gorge]

I think so

[trim harbor]

offtopic for the channelk but a underepresented train in train sim

[echo gorge]

But it might be the west german v200 from the shape

[echo gorge]

Guilty as charged lol

[rustic charm]

To be fair

That vrot 155 is an eyesore

[echo gorge]

Right region wrong era lol

[rustic charm]

Can’t have vrot in back in the day

[echo gorge]

Hopefully they'll reskin it to weinrot eventually

[trim harbor]

cant wait for the mods

[rustic charm]

Tbh seems like an interesting map

[echo gorge]

https://youtu.be/UviXXFpefeo?si=CcszTxISNxsvQsD3

[hollow oracle]

WHY

[trim harbor]

yoooooooooooooooooooooo holy shit

brocken

[echo gorge]

Yeah

[trim harbor]

that isnt too far from where i live

[rustic charm]

Haven’t really ever been interested in military flying, but it does look quite good

[hollow oracle]

systems disagree on both airspeed and altitude, and its not a failure, so i cant even fix this and its probably a bug 😭

[rustic charm]

Also, I just have to…

Why is the mount broken?

[echo gorge]

It's and the 29 are actually getting me interested in dcs again after the razbam debacle killed the 23

[rustic charm]

Well what I can definitely say is that mach .78 is not over the limit for the 737 at either 29k or 34k, so the captain side screen seems to be correct, just fly according to it

[hollow oracle]

the only issue is that the overspeed clicker is going off and i forgot where the mute button was

plus im not sure if the plane would allow me to do a precision approach with the displays disagreeing like that

[rustic charm]

Honestly not quite sure, possibly aft overhead

[rustic charm]

I think ILS should work, but autoland won’t

[echo gorge]

Definitely a 219 or similar

https://youtu.be/A9ZhvBi7GqQ?si=Xgw8bwuQ0eKMV0tr

[hollow oracle]

i ended up nuking the flight anyway, if it really was a bug, it was unrecoverable as far as im aware

for some reason it wanst tracking waypoints that great at all either, it was overshooting really bad

[echo gorge]

https://youtu.be/9LchmtCxwSU?si=H8yTGGUYOcEYBqLZ

[trim harbor]

CA comeback??

it cant be that far away then

fi they're releasing so much footage

[echo gorge]

Yeah, I get the feeling it's pretty close

[trim harbor]

maybe it's worth learning the f4 real fast

[echo gorge]

It's definitely the map for it

It'll be great for the f1 as well, especially once we get the French portion

[trim harbor]

f1

beefy landing gear

[trail monolith]

You can buy it via the marketplace for 22 euro in FS24

[hollow oracle]

i thought it was a premium deluxe supersize mega ultra edition exclusive?

[trail monolith]

Correct but they're gonna be releasing all the different editions plane on the marketplace now for those who don't want to buy a more expensive edition

[hollow oracle]

huh

the base edition is still $70

[trim harbor]

(get gamepass)

[hollow oracle]

id prefer it on steam

[trail monolith]

With other words if you only want one plane from the premium deluxe you can now buy it via the marketplace instead of needing to buy premium delixe

[rustic charm]

Would’ve been useful in 2020

Cause the Dreamliner is literally the only reason I got premium deluxe

(I have flown it 0 times by now)

Also about FS24 since I’ve not been following it too closely, is everything still from the cloud or did they eventually let people download stuff?

[runic hare]

Level up has much better textures and more config for cabin and such. Also has the -600, 700, 800, 900 & 9ER

[trail monolith]

Afaik still via streamed

[rustic charm]

Well, annoying

I reckon my internet provider wants to kill me even with just FS20

[hollow oracle]

Real 😭

Though, I think the last I checked, it only used up like 40GB in a month, which I use like over 2TB/month with just watching YouTube and downloading stuff

[hollow oracle]

It fucks with my brain that the 757 is both a narrow body, and the successor for the 727

It feels like it should be a wide body or something

[reef isle]

If you use the 737 as a sort of "reference point" both the 757 and the 727 are a bigger, higher performance version of the 737 😄

I think if you see it that way it makes more sense

Also the "successor" of the 757 should have been a wide body if Boeing didn't decide to self destruct for the last 10-15 years

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_New_Midsize_Airplane

Good thing I was already well into my windshear escape manoeuvre 😬

60ft -1000ft/m and Vref-5, sank to about 30ft before gaining altitude again

[hollow oracle]

is that the flyjsim 732?

[reef isle]

Held Vref+15 for the second attempt, and preempted the airspeed loss as I got close to the ground and got a much better result 😄

[reef isle]

Yep 😄

[hollow oracle]

ive been extremely tempted to get it since its on sale for half off, but the 727 in MSFS was already a massive undertaking to learn

[reef isle]

I don't know how the A/P is on the FSS

But be prepared to only use HDG mode to track VOR radials in cruise with the FlyJSim stuff

The A/P really is useless for most navigation stuff

[hollow oracle]

i was going to say, even then, ive only really learned how to use the honeywell unit in the 727

[reef isle]

They have the default X-Plane FMC if you desire to use it

No idea how well it works, I only did a couple of flights with it and it was OK

But I used it strictly only for lateral navigation and nothing else

The FJS 737-200 was my most used plane last year probably followed by the 727, and unless Just Flight releases the A300 or ini releases the L-1011 that's probably not going to change this year. I only have good things to say about the FJS planes, except for the lack of customizability and other cockpit options/configurations

They are just so good to hand fly

I usually have A/P off below 10.000, just so nice

[hollow oracle]

thats definitely not going to help me much in x-plane, the AP behavior in xplane just seems to be extremely strange

aircraft have trouble tracking waypoints and LNAV paths, they overshoot and just make up random floating paths regardless of speed, and it doesnt help that turbulence seems to be a massive factor in x-plane

[reef isle]

The only two modern-ish planes I have on X-Plane11 (the A300 Beluga and the 737 Classic) both have perfectly functioning APs

[reef isle]

Don't know what would cause that

Especially with the Zibo

A friend of mine that flies the NG a lot always spoke very highly of the Zibo

I think the Max variant is not great, same goes for the other freeware built on top of the Zibo

Which I don't remember the name of (LevelUP)

[hollow oracle]

its funny, ive had 1 successful flight in the max without issues, but the zibo was giving me most of the autopilot errors, and then i had that data mismatch that had me completely bin the flight

[reef isle]

Weird, you definitely had the Pitot Heat on? Also if it happens again you can try and go to the menu at the top, I think in flight configuration you should see something like "edit failures" and then click "fix all failures"

[hollow oracle]

i tried the "fix all errors" and it didnt fix it, it was either a bug or i didnt have something configured like i normally would in the PMDG, and all pitot heats were green

[reef isle]

Yeah weird

Never used the Zibo myself

Next time I hear that friend of mine I'll ask him

I think most planes that use the default FMC/systems are mediocre at best

I've always heard that the Zibo was the only exception so keep that in mind

[hollow oracle]

https://x.com/Airbus/status/1900838105835556971

Airbus (@Airbus) on X

Yesterday our #A380 took to the skies, kicking off the 1st of a series of flight tests - and surprising fans 😍

These tests enable the certification of the latest developments that keep the A380 in-service fleet flying at the highest of safety and reliability standards. ✈️

X · Mar 15, 2025, 9:14 AM

a380neo wen

[hollow oracle]

wtf is this? is this ground fog?

i just got autoortho installed, thats the only change ive made

[hollow oracle]

why it farding💔

the heat blur coming off of the engines is just comical too

this would be my second sim close-call in almost 120 flights

autopilot would just not climb out of 3000

[runic hare]

It’s not as complex of an aircraft

Just in general it’s easier to learn

100% recommend

[hollow oracle]

is there a freighter version, or is it just the passenger?

i could complete my aerosucre fleet if it has a freighter version

[runic hare]

It’s just pax

The new one they are bringing out has Freight, Pax and combi plus gravel kit

So you can do some proper arctic flying

But it is XP12 only

Another aircraft well worth getting is the TU-154 felis

Very very very rewarding to fly

Some nice liveries for it as well

[hollow oracle]

Hm, im getting auto ortho errors now

[runic hare]

https://x-plane.to/file/1559/x-plane-map-enhancement

My friend has been trying this out

I think it’s a tad less jank than AO

[hollow oracle]

im in 11

[runic hare]

Oh fuck yeah this doesn’t work on 11

Ignore me

I’m still using a world models + ortho4xp on airport tiles

Or world ortho at about ZL12-13

So it looks kinda ass

If XA Snow was ported to XP11 then that’s what I would everlastingly recommend

Because AO really hates working for me

[hollow oracle]

ive tried about everything but i still cant get autoortho working

Are there any alternate systems or anything? Could switching to an older version work?

[dusky leaf]

If you follow the instructions to the letter it works. Doesnt look great (msfs melted cheese) and makes the sim take forever to load, but it works if the instructions are followed

Ortho4xp is where you will get quality ortho

[reef isle]

Ice

[trim harbor]

@hollow oracle

if u really want the a10

nows the chance to buy\

alternatively just use the free 30 day trial on dcs

or 15 day

[rustic charm]

Well, the 737 itself is just a smaller, shorter range 727 after all xD

[reef isle]

Yep hahah

[rustic charm]

And of course one of the key points was not having a flight engineer

[reef isle]

And then United had a crew member in the jumpseat reading checklist and flicking a few switches because of the pilot union 🙃

[rustic charm]

That is fun

[runic hare]

This is awful

The 737 has a tiny flight deck anyway

Can barely sit 3 with the instructor jumpseat down

[reef isle]

Yeah, I heard that was fairly uncofortable, and United wasn't even the only one, thankfully I think it only lasted a few years

[runic hare]

And the dead seat has I’m not joking about 10cm of legroom

It’s a glorified table

I’ve had to use it properly before and if you have a captain that’s rather large around the waist then you physically cannot get in

Had severe turbulence when the FO was having a piss and I had to quickly get on the harness

To get the harness on because it’s a 5 point you need to have your knees forward and that was quite difficult

[hollow oracle]

I’d rather have melted cheese over whatever the fuck the default is

[hollow oracle]

tbf, i think if im going to spend any more money on flight sims coming up, its going to be the 737 classic

[woeful elbow]

This is going to end badly, me and my younger brother doing a flight on the a380 xd

[trim harbor]

V good plejn

[hollow oracle]

for $35 too

doing some island hops with aloha

[trail monolith]

Seems like you can buy the 787 separate now in FS20 https://www.flightsimulator.com/march-13-2025-development-update/

[hollow oracle]

i think i figured out autoortho

i didnt have dokan downloaded, now that i do it seems to work

i need to fix my scenery ini though, for some reason i have no buildings now

[trim harbor]

load order ye

@hollow oracle

[hollow oracle]

got it fixed

[trim harbor]

this is how i have mine set

nvm

r u running on 11 or 12

[hollow oracle]

honestly, even though it took me like a whole day to get it working, it is SO worth it

[hollow oracle]

11

[trim harbor]

do u notice any diff in perf w ao

[hollow oracle]

not sure, the MD-11 is quite heavy on performance anyway, so if there is i dont notice it

the rotate MD-11 taxis like a fucking cruise ship, the TFDi one has unresposnive taxi too but nothing near the rotate

you have to take turns at like 6-7 knots or under

the clouds in xplane got me fucked up

are those extremely high alaskan mountains that im about to hit, or is it a weird cloud effect, we will never know

[trail monolith]

Isn't the gpws suppose to call out terrain otherwise?

[hollow oracle]

yes, but i dont entirely trust xplane yet

[dusky leaf]

Cumulogranitus

[dusky leaf]

XP11 default scenery is ugly as sin. 12 better, but still not great. Ortho is a requirement for both

[hollow oracle]

dont know why the rotate doesnt like replays now, it was working fine last time when i recorded my landing

[trim harbor]

havent done a sunset takeoff in a long long time

[rustic charm]

Just bought the MS ATR

[dusky leaf]

let us know how it is pls

[rustic charm]

That’s gonna be tough considering I have no idea of how it is supposed to be xD

Plus I have no idea how to fly turboprops

[hollow oracle]

im very close to considering buying the 737-200, but i feel like im making a big mistake considering that i havent done much manual navigation

not to mention in an unfamiliar sim

[trim harbor]

good plane

i need to fly the atr more

[rustic charm]

It is quite fun

Unfortunately seems like no Flightlink livery

And one of the reasons I bought it is to do the flight I did on one irl around new year

And that was on flightlink

[hollow oracle]

B732 acquired

pain time

[rustic charm]

Eh, VOR to VOR is easy

[hollow oracle]

i had enough points to get X-CIVA for free too

im honestly kind of surprised that the 737-200 doesnt have a flight engineer, its basically just the 737 NG with only ancient VOR and autopilot systems, and gauges instead of screens, the rest is about the same

oh, huh, you can even fly it with a modern boeing FMS too

[hollow oracle]

and it turns out you dont even need x-civa, oops, at least it was free and i dont really care about rewards points

hah, no IRS' to align

i dont think im going to fly it quite yet, but im glad i have it because i definitely will be eventually

[echo gorge]

You can kinda see how by the 72 the fe was already almost redundant, so a couple systems are made more automatic and you bump up the pilot and co pilot's workload slightly and you can cut a job

[nimble sphinx]

Check back with me in a bit on that one

[echo gorge]

Don't do it in Europe, that's hard mode

Start in the US

[rustic charm]

^^

[echo gorge]

Where there's still jet airways

[rustic charm]

It’s not too hard really

My first one was LaGuardia to Boston in the F28

[echo gorge]

Also, if you're doing /a or /w, plan your own flights, don't have them get calculated for you

[hollow oracle]

true, their main function was basically starting up and shutting down, balancing tanks and stuff, and all that can be done by the crew on the ground, and the fuel balancing can be done with extremely primitive tech

[echo gorge]

Yup

FE positions on earlier jets had a lot more to do

[nimble sphinx]

So as I'm finding out the camera views on the F28 are very unfriendly

[nimble sphinx]

Right so after taking the plane out I had to return to the field as the ADF / NAV compass decided to fail and just keep spinning left

[rustic charm]

I thought the F28 didn’t have failures

[rustic charm]

Wish we had some jets even earlier than the 727. Comet. Tu-104 (yeah… I can keep dreaming). Stuff like that

[nimble sphinx]

Something didn't seem to set up right, as I couldn't get the Skid test to work properly either

[hollow oracle]

holy shit

i got the mango soundpack for the MD-11 with the 732, and its INSANE

[hollow oracle]

the external engine sounds peak my headphones on startup, but other than that, theyre crazy good

i like how you can switch between PW and GE engines too, and passenger noises arent connected to the passenger version, so if you really wanted, you could fly the freighter versions with passengers in hte back i guess

[hollow oracle]

i am very rapidly catching up to my A320 flight hours in the MD-11, right now i just hit 29, and i have 36 combined hours in the A320 type rating

it also means that, even with the added cost of buying the rotate MD-11 in xplane, im still $5.65/flight hour average with the MD-11

it is my most flown aircraft by 13 hours, the second place most flown is tied at 16 between the B77W/F and A20N

[runic hare]

Well worth it I think especially with how cheap it currently is

It’s not overwhelmingly difficult to learn either especially if you know how to fly a 737

They have basically been the same since the -100

[hollow oracle]

Pure VOR navigation is a bit daunting, but I’m sure I can figure it out

It almost seems easier than using the CIVA unit, that way you’re just doing simple VOR to VOR, instead of mixing in stuff like waypoints in the middle

I had a shitty landing in the MD-11 after a 4 hour flight, and the replay wouldn’t load, so I’m pretty down right now

It doesn’t matter if you’re a 10k hours irl pilot, or just a sim pilot with 29 hours, everybody has those landings where you’re like “that DEFINITELY broke something”

Is there a way to create a replay that isn’t your ENTIRE flight?

[runic hare]

Wdym?

[trim harbor]

mfw

flying the a330-900 is one hell of a thing

[reef isle]

That is the most important thing IMO

[mild zenith]

Levelup is the better one which is still actively being developed and updated

[trim harbor]

TIL that a russian gas company has its own airline

@rustic charm did u know about that

[rustic charm]

Gazprom?

Yeah

[trim harbor]

yep

thats pretty cool actually

wait u can book flihts with them

hold on

[reef isle]

isn't it awfully convenient that Moscow and Montreal are Cross the Pond airports? 👀

[trim harbor]

r u gonna fly ctp in that

i respect u

[reef isle]

maybe

I'll have to figure out if it works in terms of flight time first

Tu-114 is slower than jets

[trim harbor]

i wanna do this eventually

[reef isle]

I also think I'll have to use the "cheating" navigation panel

this

[trim harbor]

instead of 62 i'll do the reg tu154 tho

[trim harbor]

you're still flying vor to vor though arent u

[reef isle]

Don't think it has enough tange 😅

[reef isle]

Yeah, this flight I'm just using the original nav

[trim harbor]

a dream is a dream

trust

let me check actually

[reef isle]

ahah fair

[trim harbor]

how do u do vor to vor over the atlantic

i never even thought about it

[reef isle]

yeah that's the problem 😄

The Tu-154 has an inertial nav system

(NVU)

so that's fine for you

the IL-62 and IL-86, I think had a similar that was quite similar to the CIVA Carousel

[reef isle]

The Tu-114 I'll probably have to cheat 🤷

[trim harbor]

tbf, i don't know how much block fuel the tu154 can take

if only the 154 worked in xp12

pity

[reef isle]

I'm the opposite

I'm like "I wish the Caravelle would work in Xplane 11"

[trim harbor]

lmao

we need more old planes in msfs :(

[rustic charm]

I doubt the 154 can do CTP tbh

[trim harbor]

oh it could

[rustic charm]

Maybe if very light on payload?

[reef isle]

Pretty sure it can

[trim harbor]

the atlantic section it can

just start in ireland and fly to st johns

[rustic charm]

Well just the atlantic yeah

[reef isle]

Don't think it would make it from Moscow, but from some other European destinations it would be fine

Maybe without much payload though 😅

[trail monolith]

You got the Wright Flyer isn't that old enough for ya?

[rustic charm]

Well

Moscow to the Americas definitely not

I’m pretty sure there were only 2 Soviet planes that ever did something like that, those being Tu-114 (one presidential visit, plus I think they might’ve had a stopover somewhere bit closer in Russia) and Il-96

Il-62 probably could if light?

Not sure if it ever did

[reef isle]

IL-62 had loads of range

[trim harbor]

il62 such an udnerrated plane

[reef isle]

I thin it flew straight to Havana

[trim harbor]

really?

interflug had to fly via gander because of fuel apparently

[reef isle]

I think so yeah

Not directly from Moscow, I think it needed a stop over in eastern russia

[rustic charm]

I know that when going to South America they did a refuelling stop on some islands west of Africa, not sure how they would fly to Cuba

[trim harbor]

also, why did the 62m have a second yoke (or steering wheel?)

[reef isle]

guessing that's the tiller?

[rustic charm]

Probably nosewheel steering

[trim harbor]

what a funky aircraft

[rustic charm]

Not even just the nosewheel, I’m pretty sure the 62 also had a tail wheel to aid with manoeuvrability or something

[trim harbor]

bruh

[reef isle]

I'd love a Yak-41/141 for any modern simulator 🫤

[rustic charm]

Honestly Il-62 would be just wonderful to have

But MSFS will probably not get any Soviet planes

[trim harbor]

major L

[reef isle]

There's a Tushka which is fairly complete

[trim harbor]

732, 707 would be a start even

the 727 is good

[rustic charm]

Best we can hope for is that the guy converting the 154 does finish it

[reef isle]

If you have Xplane just fly the FJS

[reef isle]

It's doing it

it recently had a closed beta test

you can follow him for free on Patreon

[trim harbor]

i own both the xp and msfs one

[rustic charm]

Oh right, I completely forgot about that

[reef isle]

Fly the XP one

[trim harbor]

i dont really like xp11 tho

i dont think it's convd' to 12 yet sadly

[rustic charm]

I’ve seen that and actually wanted to apply