Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[lethal jasper]

https://simaddons.com/pages/simaddons_cyhm_msfs.htm

I dont own it, just random search brought it up

[rustic charm]

Thanks

I’ll take a look

Any hamilton is good, vital for Cargojet

[runic hare]

guess who's account got hacked!

[rustic charm]

Welp, that’s not good

[rustic charm]

Welp, today’s attempt at Hamilton to JFK is fucked up too. This route seemingly doesn’t like me at all

Diverted from JFK to Philadelphia cause JFK had some awful winds which I wasn’t ready to handle in a 727, at Philadelphia idk what happened even. I was flaring normally at 30ft above the runway and the next thing I know the plane absolutely slammed into the runway, rolled onto the left wing and went into the grass

[dusty sky]

https://tenor.com/view/kilometers-can't-measure-freedom-freedom-usa-america-murica-gif-8776986503198367525

[hollow oracle]

i wish the MSFS one was any good

[hollow oracle]

finishing my cross-canada max 8 trip

[hollow oracle]

sunwing sunrise

[hollow oracle]

my cross-canada trip is complete

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qvNk52mXiU

relevant song

[hollow oracle]

They locked reactions too, so it’s only the heart react

The thing that pisses me off the most with their embraers is that it’s gotten literally worse over updates

I was using a tutorial from last year, and the FMS had support for manual route planning and editing, and now you can’t even do that anymore, you have to import it through simbrief, and if it’s fucked up or if you have a change in your flight plan, your fucked

I really should have done a credit card chargeback, they’re selling a product that’s literally worse than advertised, the product i purchased is not what i saw from reviews from last year, it’s worse

[rustic charm]

Renton is quite fun. I just love taking off from there cause you’re empty and light. Yesterday I had a Vr of 124 knots lol

Meanwhile I totally took that 738 to FL440

And also Anchorage was totally not as nice weather as Renton… the visibility was actually within normal ILS minimums, but I just autolanded it, cause you do gotta autoland occasionally to remember how it’s done, and I’ve not done one in a 737 ever

[reef isle]

good thing we're 2000ft apart, Trident is definitely not RVSM capable

(although as far as VATSIM is concerned every aircraft is)

[rustic charm]

Doing KLGA to KDCA right now… 2 goarounds

First one I called for myself cause I was bit too high over the runway, the second one was directed by the (B)ATC while I was on approach

Good thing I have plenty of fuel

[reef isle]

I did the visual for RWY03 in Le Bourget, that was fun 😄

[rustic charm]

Oh wish we had a trident in MSFS

A trident, a VC-10 and a comet

Well tbf there is a comet WIP iirc

[trail monolith]

Long time since i saw FSX

[reef isle]

can't wait

[uneven fern]

yep and each "update" is nothing more than just fixes that they broke from the last update with no real progress. As I said, I get complicated planes are difficult but in the past 3 years while the e jets have gotten little attention they managed to release 2 other planes during that time period.

granted, they might be from different teams but it shows where they are pouring their resounces into. They pretty much took the early access $$$ from sales from e jets and poured it into the 727 development.

and they wonder why their Discord exploded the other day when they released a video showing they literally have made no progress at all for the past 3 years

Personally, I think they just took on a project that is way over their heads

I do love on their "community support" forum on their server the first rule is this

[dusty sky]

Ah yes

[runic hare]

Went up to about 50% N1 as it was lining up

Nothing else to say but WOOOOOF

[hollow oracle]

one good thing about buying the e-jets

it makes me appreciate TFDi a little bit more

[hollow oracle]

it has been way too long since i flew the MD-11

its like flying a cruise ship

[rustic charm]

Still haven’t got my hands on it

Looks like a lovely plane

[hollow oracle]

i mean, its still WIP, but a LOT farther along than the e-jets

i think the biggest issue i have with it right now is no holds

there's a reason why its my most flown airframe

the ER variant being locked behind pre-orders, and the early access also being locked behind pre-order also really sucks, but you cant really do anything about it

maybe the price too, like $100 for both variants - while its still in early access - is pretty insane, but honestly i havent had much issues with that considering how much flight time ive got out of it

and its absolutely better than the alternative of using the skysim one

[untold finch]

I see that they still haven't bothered to fix the broken cockpit in VR

Unless I'm failing to search through their changelogs properly

Only aircraft I ever flew in MSFS where it was broken

[rustic charm]

That’s pretty much the reason I’m not buying it, at least for now

Not that I care for the ER, there was how many built? A dozen or less? Doesn’t matter, I wouldn’t fly those anyway. It’s just that I absolutely disagree with locking an airframe behind a limited time preorder

[hollow oracle]

i mean, its also VR, not nessicarily super high on the priority list to fix

[untold finch]

I just find it weird that every other developer manages to figure out how to support it properly yet TFDi can't

Even the FSS E-Jets and Aerosoft CRJs support it 😅

[rustic charm]

So with this in mind, every time I think of buying it, I just have a thought of “Well it’s TFDi…” and then kinda don’t think of it as much. I’ll probably buy it eventually. But for now I’m gonna much prefer supporting JF, or even PMDG… no, that might be too far. I like PMDG products, and I’m sure the devs are nice people, but I very much dislike their management and their practices too. So yeah, I’d prefer supporting JF.

[untold finch]

Yeah, for me I'm sticking to Fenix and Just Flight. They've not let me down so far.

Black Square, Miltech, both good too.

[rustic charm]

I’m mainly sticking with PMDG and JustFlight. PMDG purely because I like the planes they make and they do it decently. Entirely just because of their content. JF both because of the content and because of who they are, similarly to JT which makes sense. Both companies (or well, one company to be fair?) have reasonable prices, provide top quality and the people are actually nice

I gave FSS a shot with the 727 and they haven’t disappointed me with that plane. It’s a lovely plane. And that’s the reason I bought it: it’s the 727. As for the company itself? Well, everything seems not so lovely.

Also you know the way they handle the situation over in their discord is funny

[hollow oracle]

i DESPISE FSS

i am not buying a single product of theirs ever again

[rustic charm]

The outrage was about E jets. Now what is happening? They removed both general chats from the E jets and the 727. They have unlocked the screenshots and the liveries channels for E jets. But those same channels for the 727 stay locked

[rustic charm]

Well, understandably so. Their handling of the E jets seems awful as already been said here many times

[hollow oracle]

beyond awful

[rustic charm]

I only actually had a good experience with FSS products because I only have the 727 lol

[hollow oracle]

which is even more frustrating for someone who has their e-jets

[hollow oracle]

just bent the fuselage of a MD-11 B)

1.18g landing

one of those landings where you hit the tarmac and go "holy shit that sounded expensive"

[reef isle]

VR issues aside (that sucks), I think the TFDj MD-11 is good, just a bit overpriced IMO, their 3D model and textures are tragic though, but I don't really care. Ironically it's in a similar-ish situation to the other McDonnell Douglas airliner in the sim.

This might be a controversial opinion, but I really liked the way TFDi did pre-orders, I'll preface this by saying that I despise pre-orders in general, and I'm not a big fan of locking the ER behind that, BUT they were a lot more transparent about what the pre-order actually meant and what it would entail compared to FSS, and because of that they made a lot less people angry when they inevitably had to announce delays to their timetable. And I'll be honest, developing an ""study level"" airliners takes a lot of capital, I can totally see the necessity of doing something like a pre-order, and in that case I think TFDi did it in the least worse possible way, they gave something that had actual value to offset the much higher risk to early backers, without denying access to anything actually important.

Even more controversial take (everyone is going to block me) regarding the FSS E-Jets, I can't speak for their realism (or lack thereof), as I find the real E-jets extremely uninteresting, and I know nothing about them, but as far as being a functional aircraft in the sim I never had any major problems with it, one time the LNAV went crazy and I just flew it in HDG, and you can't input Airways so you have to type in every single point separately, both are annoyances, but it felt alright to me. Would I be a lot more frustrated if it was an aircraft I cared about? Most likely

[lethal jasper]

The only nerve wracking was the fmc being ass if you had to reroute mid descent. Not to mention some waypoints dont exist. Especially at O'hare

[reef isle]

I think you've been able to do directs within SID and STARS for months now, before that I just "built" the SIDs and STARs manually so I could always go DCT, or I would just use HDG.

Also waypoint not existing shouldn't be a FSS issue, since it just uses the same database other planes use right?

As far as I remember I never had that issue at least

[lethal jasper]

They exist on other asobo planes though

[reef isle]

Hm, no idea, never had that, even though as I said I tried to put there some really weird waypoints that are usually part of SIDs/STARs

Maybe I got lucky 🤷‍♂️

[rustic charm]

Well those are valid takes indeed

And really about the ER variant, from business standpoint it fully makes sense to give something certain to those who preorder

But it was what, only 1000 first preorders iirc?

Had it been given to everyone who preordered, I wouldn’t think of it as badly. I still wouldn’t preorder probably cause I don’t really care about it. But limiting it to 1000 first preorders, considering they most likely exceeded that number merely hours after opening the preorders for the first time, it isn’t as much of “If you support us, we will show gratitude by giving this exclusive thing”, and more of “Give us money NOW and have a chance at getting an exclusive thing, but you might not get it if you give us money even with a slightest delay”

Now at first I thought 1000 was quite a lot. After all, I came to MSFS after playing RailWorks for a while. In railworks, if a dev did 1000 preorders, those would likely be open for months. But then remember what happened on the MD-11s initial release. Hour-long queues on the website because it simply couldn’t handle the traffic. I do not know how many copies it sold right there, but I’m sure it was way in excess of 1000, and so was the first opening of preorders

[reef isle]

Mixed RSBN/VOR navigation, unreliable airspeed and terrible weather during the departure phase, this flight was really intense ahahah sorry for the VATSIM controllers, I was pretty much the only traffic there, so I didn't cause any issue but I'm sure they must have though I was a complete idiot (which to be fair isn't completely wrong)

Definitely tried too many things at once:

-Flying at higher latitudes (I usually don't)
-Very cold climate and pretty much constant icing conditions
-RSBN
-Flying between two very Russian airports with weird procedures

Also I slept maybe 4h last night 🙃

But overall really happy, I'm glad I found the motivation to properly learn all this russian stuff, politics apart it's very interesting to see how a country that's so "foreign" did things, and aviation has been a really good starting point to learn about the Soviet Union/Russia in general (don't worry, I'm not becoming a tankie)

[reef isle]

Thanks, and yeah I can totally see your point, I still think it was definitely one of the least worse early access software releases that I can remember, but that doesn't make it good 😄

[rustic charm]

Oh that is just lovely

Said it many times already, wish there were some Soviet jets in MSFS

Which airports did you go between?

[rustic charm]

True, it was by far not the worst early access release. It could’ve better, but overall it could’ve been much worse too

[rustic charm]

Quite interesting places

[reef isle]

Indeed

And because RSBN has a lot more coverage it's a lot more fun than flying in northern Canada

[rustic charm]

Northern Canada is just emptiness lol

[reef isle]

Yep ahahahah

[rustic charm]

Getting ETOPS literally

I didn’t have a single bit of ETOPS when flying from Moscow to Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, that’s basically 90% of Russia west to east, and everything was covered

Meanwhile a hop from Iqaluit to Ottawa? Half of it is ETOPS

[reef isle]

Ahhahaha yup

[rustic charm]

Welp I’m finally attempting a transpacific hop in the 727. Cold Bay to New Chitose. Not sure if I’m gonna make it cause I burned 11k (out of just 54) on climb

[reef isle]

good luck ❤️

sound fun

[rustic charm]

Thanks

It’s a challenge I set myself xD

Planned to try it from Anchorage initially but quickly acknowledged that is simply impossible

Now I have to say, the fuel burn in cruise in this plane feels just really off

And the calculations that the clipboard shows, they feel wrong too

It says I’ve burned a total of 10.5k during takeoff and climb. Then it says up to now I burned a total of 12.5k (so just 2k lbs for 1:30 of cruise? That’s definitely not real numbers), and it at the same time says I have 38k left. It simply doesn’t match up cause I departed with 54k lbs loaded. If I have 38 now, it means I burned 16k. If I burned 12k, then where the hell did it put 2 full tons?

I am a quarter in roughly, my flight plan indicates 2 step climbs but it definitely doesn’t feel like a good idea. Overall, seems like the odds are not in my favour

[rustic charm]

My god I just returned home, and I’m still in the air

I have less than 300 miles left

But

I have around just 7.5k lbs of fuel

Actually more like 6k

However I can already proudly say that I did make it to Japan

Okay I don’t think I’m making it to RJCC

[rustic charm]

Landed in RJCK instead. Safely. Kinda. Very rough… but I’m in Japan, I’m on the ground and ANA has a Boeing 727

And yeah if someone wants to know how rough is very rough, I hit the runway with almost 2Gs of force

Although in my defence, it was a very quickly improvised approach and I didn’t get the ILS correctly, was only flaps 2 (which is the minimum in the 727) 5 miles out

[reef isle]

uh I wonder what kind of numbers the FJS 727 gets on Xplane

I rarely fly for more than 2h so I never really cared

[rustic charm]

Tbf it looks much more like the clipboard was showing stuff weirdly

Could be just a bug with it

Cause the actual burn itself ended up being more reasonable, around 9-10k per hour of cruise

[reef isle]

this was my longest 727 flight

[rustic charm]

I landed in RJCK with less than 3000lbs left. Mayday fuel territory according to my flight plan (which in the last hour I pretty much just threw out of the window and ignored completely)

[reef isle]

what clipboard?

[rustic charm]

Well it’s the ‘EFB’

Basically FSS made an EFB for this plane but stylised it as a paper clipboard. Cause you know, having an ipad in a 727 would break immersion a lot more

[rustic charm]

Before today’s leg my longest flight with the 727 was actually the previous leg of this delivery, Renton to Cold Bay

[full plank]

haven't done flight sim for quite a while

[reef isle]

https://it.flightsim.to/file/87377/fenix-a319-us-airways-special-liveries-pack

FINALLY

it's not all of them, for example Piedmont is missing

but it's most of them AFAIK

[uneven fern]

nice

[rustic charm]

BA is lovely

Wish they had 737s, cause right now I’m stuck with triples

Not that I’m complaining but some flights would look just funny in those things

[uneven fern]

KSFO - KLAX

[rustic charm]

Still think the only reason KSFO exists is because they want pilots to race each other

[hollow oracle]

I forgot about the Steelers one

[uneven fern]

I do love Flightbeam's KSFO. one of the best out there

[rustic charm]

Gonna have to get it sometime

I have pretty much nothing for the west coast as of now

[uneven fern]

worth it IMO. Hands down, one of the best sceneries out there

they are also re-doing KPDX which should be out sometime in the next month

although, that's a different person

[lethal jasper]

KSFO - larger Laguardia 😂

[rustic charm]

To be honest… seems like pretty much that lol

[uneven fern]

it's not the best airport

[rustic charm]

Well yeah 4 intersection points on the runways doesn’t seem like the best idea

[lethal jasper]

before it was KSFO

[untold finch]

Looks like more bad news for DCS players... Polychop just seems to have imploded

Looks like the whole dev team just resigned

[echo gorge]

Damn that really sucks

[nimble sphinx]

I forgot about DCS, but that’s a shame

[hollow oracle]

When isn’t there any drama with that game

It’s constant drama, it must be tiring to be in that community

[trim harbor]

Noo

Wasnt that kiowa

[untold finch]

It was

[trim harbor]

Fucl

[reef isle]

Yes

[echo gorge]

And the gazelle

Which is a real shame as it was my favorite combat helicopter in dcs

The hots were both lethal enough and challenging enough to use to make it really fun

Compared to the ka50 (so much range makes things too easy) and the the apache (too glass) it was just more fun

[trim harbor]

is the dcs end near

[untold finch]

nah

but it will probably mean further loss of confidence in the third party ecosystem, which means reduced sales for ED

so expect whatever feature they're "working on" to take even longer

[echo gorge]

Sort of feels like third parties are leaving a sinking ship.

There's really no other option for high fidelity air combat sims post world war ii, but it just feels like dcs is stumbling from one problem to the next

[dusty sky]

What do you mean?

[echo gorge]

Razbam, halfghanistan, the f5 update having a model that doesn't match the cockpit (as well as offering no new features) now polychop seemingly leaving...

[dusty sky]

😐

The F5 one just sounds like they didn't even care tbh

[echo gorge]

I've admittedly not paid a ton of attentio as I only ever flew the planes shooting f5s down not the f5, but apparently the cockpit is from a usaf model and the exterior is from an export model or something

And then they didn't bother to add any of the weapons export versions could carry either (different bombs and the like)

[mortal furnace]

DCS is on a downward spiral

[trim harbor]

sadly is

[mortal furnace]

and BMS will overtake it

i dont think polychop "emploded" There team was very very small

and one of there members was quite ill for awhile#

[dusty sky]

Should I get the su-33?

[mortal furnace]

careful the fully clickers will come for you with pitch forks

i prefer the 33

[dusty sky]

I'm still far from understanding the full clickers, I don't even know how to fire weapons yet lol

[mortal furnace]

full clickers are your full fedility module i hate flaming cliffs 3 guys

[dusty sky]

Yeah I know about that, I mean using them

Especially because I don't have one

DCS is super pricey

[mortal furnace]

yarp

[echo gorge]

It can be fun

I'd just get the full fc3 bundle though imo

Iirc it's not that much more expensive

And it gives you the su25 and a10a, two of the most fun planes in the sim

I'd kill for a full fidelity su25

[dusty sky]

So I should be getting the launcher then

Cuz flaming cliffs 3 isn't on steam no more

Fuck

No good

[mortal furnace]

can you buy it seperate?

[dusty sky]

Wdym?

Btw if I do get the su-33 where do I get the kuznetov to go along with it?

[reef isle]

I think it might be part of the base game

[dusty sky]

Is it usable though?

[echo gorge]

Should be

[dusty sky]

Now just gotta wait till a sale...

[full plank]

hauling a few tonnes of crack to Berlin

[reef isle]

@rustic charm sorry to bother, do you read/write/uderstand russian?

[rustic charm]

It’s my mother language, of course I do 😅

If you need help with anything, ask anytime. I have no problem with that

[reef isle]

I swear I won't "use you" every time I need something translated, but could you please take a quick look at this and tell me if it doesn't sound too bad?

[reef isle]

Ahaha I wasn't 100% sure so I thought I'd ask

don't want a full correction or translation, you're not my personal assistant, just a quick "opinion" on wheter it's something I can send without feeling too embarassed ahah 😅

[rustic charm]

Yeah it seems generally good

[reef isle]

Excellent, thank you so much ❤️

[rustic charm]

No problem mate

Meanwhile I’m here trying to find charts on Colombia’s civil aviation authority website lol

This is hard

[reef isle]

Oh, you want anything from Navigraph?

[rustic charm]

And I’m literally flying an Emirates triple from Miami to El Dorado

[rustic charm]

Oh if you could get RNAV W 32L for SKBO it would be wonderful

[rustic charm]

The triple kinda knows everything itself but I really like having the charts, especially considering I mostly fly the approach without VNAV

[rustic charm]

Thanks a lot

[reef isle]

No problem 😄

[reef isle]

Yeah totally agreed, I'd feel a bit lost without charts ahaha 😅

[rustic charm]

Gotta be honest, when I saw that 32s only have RNAV, I didn’t quite expect that

Landing with ILS onto 14s would give me a fair tailwind though. Did that once on a triple, not again thank you

Guess that’s my first time using FPA?

And I somehow safely landed that first try

[dusty sky]

What a nice conversation, usually the ones I read are super unhinged

[hollow oracle]

i want to do a JANET flight, but unsurprisingly, there are no published approach plates for area 51

[trim harbor]

handfly it in

[lethal jasper]

KXTA does have the approaches in navigraph data. gl finding the plates to back it up xD

[reef isle]

🙃

Outdated but maybe still good?

[lethal jasper]

That'll work just fine 😂

[untold finch]

If you want to get the Su-33, considering buying the supercarrier on sale - you get the Su-33 thrown in for free, and you get an updated Admiral Kuznetsov to fly it from

The base game Kuznetsov is a little dated

[rustic charm]

Obviously it gotta be dated, considering that if you want to make it as in reality in present day, it’s sitting half-disassembled in Murmansk

[trim harbor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/s/1yRsT4qigV

[echo gorge]

Oh for fuck sake, a cobra was literally the number one thing I wanted in dcs

I mean I'd rather an f than a z, but I'd take a z

[reef isle]

I mean, TBF Razbam started/was working on a lot of stuff

chances are that something you wanted was being worked on by Razbam

MiG-23 and EEL for me

[dusty sky]

As always, very pricey, especially for me

I can't afford this I'm gonna have 3 bucks left

[echo gorge]

Yeah the mig 23 was the airplane in development I was most interested in tbh

[dusty sky]

No not the flogging one

[rustic charm]

Flying a triple right now from Dubai to Moscow

This plane is fun

One very fun part about flying it is thinking of its engines and how they are literally wider than an MD-80

[reef isle]

definitely wait for a sale

never buy DCS stuff at full price unless it's newly released stuff that you are eagerly waiting

[dusty sky]

Yeah but even 50% off is gonna be a bit much for me

[rustic charm]

2 hours to Moscow. Gotta say the triple might just be my favourite plane out of the ones I own. Yes I fly 737s more, and yeah the 727 really fits my liking for the old aircraft better, but this thing is just something special

[dusty sky]

It's big and good and fast so yes

[rustic charm]

I guess what also helps is that the -300ER is my single most flown on plane, at the very least over the last year

[dusty sky]

My most flown on plane is the A321 lol

[rustic charm]

For me the 77W takes the lead with 6 flights on one in 2024

The 320 family is at 9 if I consider them all together, but separately, 320, 321 and 320neo each have 3 flights

[rustic charm]

Okay now this is a first - I loaded a bunch of extra fuel (I always do, in case what. All within flight plan limits, always. But I don’t like being low) and I seem to be overweight for the landing now

[dusty sky]

Do some circling

[rustic charm]

I’m afraid not an option

I’m some 10 tons overweight

The triple burns roughly 150-200kgs per minute afaik. That’s an additional hour of just circling lol

[dusty sky]

Land anyway then

I'd do it, I'm not scared (mostly cuz I'm dumb)

[rustic charm]

Eh, I just dumped some 8 tons xD

[dusty sky]

Ah yeah forgot about that...

[reef isle]

Is there an easy way to check that in Volanta?

[rustic charm]

Oh nope, I was talking irl lol

I don’t think Volanta allows you to filter by aircraft types

You can filter by flight hours or number of flights I guess

[dusky leaf]

Anyone know if msfs 2020 scenery works in msfs2024?

[echo gorge]

In theory I believe it's supposed to, nit sure how well that plays out in practice

[trail monolith]

Some do some doesn't

[uneven fern]

I haven’t had much issues with 2020 scenery working in 2024.

[trail monolith]

Stealing this from the MSFS server

[dusty sky]

You can mark all of them if you just go on the msfs subreddit like 2 days after release

[echo gorge]

Did I see a draken in the dcs 2025 video

I'm pretty sure I saw the silhouette of a draken

Also that mig29 cockpit looked nice

Would go great with a mig23... oh wait

Wait, is there a cold war germany announcement? That looked like templehof

Looks like I might be getting back into the sim despite myself

Oh f35, lame

[untold finch]

err

yeah DCS is leaving full fidelity behind and heading into make-believe land

[trail monolith]

SAAB 35 Draken?

[untold finch]

yes, it's meant to have been part of the Viggen module for ages, as an AI aircraft

it is probably that

[echo gorge]

Yeah

Still very happy to see it

Populate the kola map

Honestly, the 29, Germany and the ai draken are kinda the only cool things

And we already knew about the 29

[mortal furnace]

but cant make a SU-27 early model

there competing with BMS

[echo gorge]

They announced the fulcrum over a year ago

And the su-27 doesn't really fit the cold war anyway, pvo got almost all of them and frontal aviation barely got any

F15C is a bit disappointing as an announcement as well, too modern to tangle with the cold war planes like the a and too old to really fit with the modern fbw jets

[mortal furnace]

SU-27 would fit the F-15C tho like the old days, F-35 is being made becuase bms 5.0 ED finally have competition 😆

[dusty sky]

What is going on now, about dcs?

[trim harbor]

f14 gettting a hud only good thing

thank you hb

years of flying my cat without a hud r over

[echo gorge]

Still haven't done the early a though right?

[trim harbor]

better sa here i come

[trim harbor]

nope

well

[mortal furnace]

F-14BU upgrade

[trim harbor]

yesnt

[echo gorge]

Aargh

So much more interesting than the d

[trim harbor]

i'd prefer the d

[echo gorge]

Look, I wanna have a chance tangling with it in my fishbed, not a good chance, but a chance

[mortal furnace]

i mean they could of done the mig29K export

[trim harbor]

dcs could've so much better jets literally

[dusty sky]

Me watching the new DCS trailer (I can't afford 99% of all the stuff there
https://tenor.com/view/sushichaeng-chips-eating-nom-crisps-gif-22496360

[trim harbor]

(redfor)

we got blufor larp for days

but literally 0 redfor

and everyone who was making redfor stuff

aint working on it anymore

[echo gorge]

Yup

Fucking sucks

Still getting the 29,but that's it

[dusty sky]

Full fidelity 29?

[echo gorge]

I just wanted a mig 23, was THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR ED

Clearly it was or they wouldn't have fucked razbam

[echo gorge]

Yeah, 29a

[dusty sky]

I love the mig-23 and now no one can get it and I'm sad

Funny flap flap plane is cool

[mortal furnace]

there only making an f15c to shove razbam f15e out the door

basically throw razbam under the bus for good

[dusty sky]

🤡

^ED

[mortal furnace]

yep

[dusty sky]

Good thing I'm only getting into DCS when it's in a downhill spiral

That's just fantastic

[trim harbor]

yea you're abit late to the party

[mortal furnace]

DCS had its day 2018/19 its on its way down i persoanlly think BMS 5.0 will out pass DCS

[trim harbor]

bms has passed dcs

in alot of aspects minus graphics

[mortal furnace]

yea once thats upgraded ED are borked

[trim harbor]

fr

[dusty sky]

Accurate

[trim harbor]

just get into bms

a) cheaper b) mostly better

[dusty sky]

Bet

So basically I have to buy flacon 4.0 and then download bms?

[trim harbor]

ya

[echo gorge]

Yep

Better sim unless you want specific aircraft bms doesn't have

(Me waiting for bms fishbed)

[trim harbor]

so rn u got high fidelity f16 (multiple versions) and f15c

theres a semi done f18

[echo gorge]

And a 29 in the works

[dusty sky]

Then I'm just getting bms, screw dcs

[echo gorge]

All with the best campaign ever developed in a simulator

Seriously

[trim harbor]

it's actually dyanmic

couldnt b dcs

[echo gorge]

No helos though

And only really does late 80s and on, so if you want earlier you're sol

[dusty sky]

Well besides the flogger, phantom, and other Vietnam planes basically all the fighters I find cool and from that period so it's fine

Ignoring props ofc

[mortal furnace]

For years we couldnt get a full fid su27 because no documentation, But you can do a F-35? How did you get documentation for that?

[trim harbor]

you guess

[echo gorge]

I get the feeling it's gonna be something of a lower fidelity cash grab

[trim harbor]

what was the new name for fc

3

modern air combat?

[echo gorge]

I'm doubtful dcs' radar modeling is gonna handle stealth well

[dusty sky]

F35 on its way to make people 10 times more doubtful of ED than they already were

[mortal furnace]

its like dovetail games making a thomas the tank.............. Oh wait 😆

https://www.reddit.com/r/floggit/comments/1i2zhdb/ed_opening_their_unclassified_f35_documentation/

[reef isle]

I think that's a long long term plan of HeatBlur

[reef isle]

Yes, looks like Balkan Map and/or German map

I think should be Fulda Gap

[echo gorge]

I certainly hope it is

Though I'm sure how berlin fits with that

[reef isle]

So we know for certain (have been for a while) that we're getting some sort of german cold war map

wheter we will get one map that includes the Balkans as well (it'll be huge), or wheter it will be two different maps I don't know

[echo gorge]

Yup, though I'd all but given up on us ever seeing it

Honestly it and the potential of the draken are pretty much the only things I'm excited about

[reef isle]

Looks like that map and the 29 are going to be the first big releases this year

I think the EFA is still quite far away

[echo gorge]

Now to see how ed fucks them up

[reef isle]

No please 😭

MiG-29 my beloved

also apparently F-117 is AI only?

[echo gorge]

Sorry, I'm just super cynical after the razbam and halfghanistan messes.

[mortal furnace]

draken A.I is what nearly 10 years old and still not in dcs lol

[reef isle]

you're definitely right

I am as well

I just want the MiG-29 to be nice

[echo gorge]

Yeah same

[mortal furnace]

instead of a bullshit flight model f35 we would rather have a realistic su-27

[echo gorge]

That said at this point I'm honestly more excited for the bms fulcrum than dcs

[reef isle]

I think it has definitely one of the best Flight Models in DCS, making it have proper systems it's going to be amazing

[echo gorge]

Yeah, but with the m2k dying what's there for it to fight :/

[reef isle]

There's going to be a proper Fulcrum for BMS? 👀

[mortal furnace]

took nearly 12 years to get an F-15E But takes one year to make an f35 🤣

[echo gorge]

F15A would work but they're making a c instead

[echo gorge]

They've showed off early cockpit models

[reef isle]

Ooooh

Competition for DCS would be good

At this point I only pretty much do navigation and formation aerobatics in DCS, I don't really care about weapon employment

so any competitor that has good user controlled servers, good netcode and good flight model is going to make me (and hopefully the people that I fly in formation with) happy

Speaking of Navigation, I'm really curious about how they're going to do RSBN on the 29

because so far it has been quite incosistent within DCS, the 21 has it all as part of the aircraft, while the L-39 uses the actual stations on the ground

would be nice if we could place our own RSBN stations around like TACANs in the mission editor

[mortal furnace]

na

no documentation

[reef isle]

huh? It's 70s tech that is almost non existent nowadays

[mortal furnace]

na its russian

[reef isle]

Yeah, so is the MiG-21 and the L-39

and both have it

hell, even the Xplane Tu-134 and Tu-154 have their own custom RSBN implementation, which I have started to use recently

[mortal furnace]

im trolling its always ED excuse no documentation 😆

[reef isle]

oh I see sorry ahahah

it's a thing that I deeply care about

[hollow oracle]

default airports :(

good excuse to get out and depart as quickly as possible i guess

[hollow oracle]

im a weirdo who likes to keep their logo lights on all flight, it literally doesnt matter if you turn them off or not, i guess microscopically better fuel economy because your running 2 less lightbulbs

i can imagine it makes for better mid-air identification if you have a light shining on the tail colors/logo

[hollow oracle]

unstable approach into pittsburgh means cancelled flight, no go-arounds in the MD-11 yet :(

[lethal jasper]

That is the only reason they exist, identification in air and on ground.

[rustic charm]

I think in reality they don’t keep logo lights when mid-air, it’s not like anyone is going to be close enough to use it as an identification method, at least I hope not. I myself just keep it on whenever flying after dark, not like it affects anything, and at least with it on there’s something to look at in the screenshots

[reef isle]

Yeah unless I'm mistaken it's turned on and off together with the taxi/runway turnoff lights

[lethal jasper]

The more you know ig. I only use it outside of crz

[runic hare]

@trim harbor potentially going to Riyadh air

The starting salary is fucking insane

[trim harbor]

Bruh sorry what

How

Well more like why

Bro gonna move to SA???

[runic hare]

Because £75k per year starting

Plus £4k joining bonus

And I think another bonus of £4k because I’m already qualified

[trim harbor]

What experience do I need

Bro

It pays better

Than my job

I went to mf university

[runic hare]

Pays better than my mate who’s a senior civil servant in the Netherlands

[trim harbor]

Insane

[runic hare]

Ikr

[trim harbor]

I earn about 46k a year with a Bsc in nursing plus additional qualifcations working in 3 shifts/45hrs a week

Wtf

I give up in life

[runic hare]

Haha

[trim harbor]

What wrong turn did I take

Actually

[runic hare]

Arab money is something else I stg

[trim harbor]

Advertise me

Theres prob a good bonus

[runic hare]

I’m happy not to drink for that money

Maybe

I haven’t got in yet

Just applied

But I said I’m willing to go immediately

[trim harbor]

I would quit my current job for that as well

U gotta move to sa though

Idk how cool that is

Not speaking arabic

[runic hare]

It’s the same as emirates, Qatar all of them

You only need to know English

[trim harbor]

O

Id work for EK

Tbhü

[runic hare]

Toxic as fuck but ok money

Oh I haven’t gone through the bonuses yet

No tax
Free apartment
Free travel to and from the airport
And they buy you a car

[trim harbor]

Todic dr?

Toxic fr?

[trim harbor]

Yeah ill quit my job

[runic hare]

So it’s only food and phone you pay for

😂😂😂

[runic hare]

Yea really toxic with the other crew

[trim harbor]

I pay for tax
No free apt (800 a month)
No free travel to and from work
They didnt buy me shit

I hate germany

[runic hare]

😂😂😂

I would have to move to the middle of the Arabian desert

But fuck it

For that money

[trim harbor]

Ikr

[lethal jasper]

757 <3.

[rustic charm]

Okay what qualifications do you need cause I’m about to change my whole fucking life plan

Maybe go to Emirates instead cause I planned to move to Dubai in less than a year anyway

[wide zenith]

https://orbxdirect.com/product/baw-pmdg-737-msfs

24th jan

https://youtu.be/Gd0ZtNAsfIA?si=g2HQVYRcdeBSmcsB&t=404 😩

[hollow oracle]

landing the 747 is insane

your like "woah im way too high on this approach", and then you hear the 50 callout and your like "nope im not actually"

hence why i floated like 50yds at 30ft

[dusty sky]

Welcome to high standing cockpits

[hollow oracle]

i knew it was high, but not THAT high, your basically flying the airplane from a cockpit ABOVE the airplane

[dusty sky]

Me on my way to land 200 feet short of the touchdown zone (I'm in an A320)

[hollow oracle]

i really ought to fly the default 747 some more though, for being a literal free plane, it feels pretty solid

it just sucks that its the -800, its really only lufthansa, UPS, and cargolux that flies them

[hollow oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77JAozhqJZA

[hollow oracle]

my 3rd atlantic crossing

also my first lufthansa flight that hasnt ended in a -700fpm crash landing

[dusty sky]

lol

[rustic charm]

There’s much more

Korean, Korean Cargo, Cathay Cargo, Nippon Cargo, Atlas, DHL (Polar), Air China, Silk Way West, Hongyuan Group

Until 2022 also Air Bridge Cargo

[runic hare]

CLA as well

[rustic charm]

Yep, them as well

[runic hare]

Shit

I’m gonna check with the pilots what the alternates are today because they might give us something mega retarded like Treviso

Bologna, Turin or bergamo would be preferable

[reef isle]

Surely Bergamo would be your first choice right?

LIME 181050Z VRB02KT CAVOK 08/M02 Q1030 NOSIG

Yeah surely that's fine right?

[runic hare]

Depends on traffic

[reef isle]

Oh I see

[runic hare]

Bergamo is an insanely busy airport

[reef isle]

Yep that's fair

[runic hare]

Torino would be better because it’s easier for the passengers to get to Genoa

Bologna would be about the same as Bergamo but less traffic

[dusky leaf]

Did you know easy jet do hotels now? Staying in the one in Glasgow. If you can imagine an orange prison block that would about cover it 😀 Basic but cheap

[runic hare]

Oh they are quite good

It’s like ibis budget but actually budget

[dusky leaf]

I will def be back

[runic hare]

I got one in Italy somewhere for like €15 per night

Whole room with decent WiFi

Crazy

[reef isle]

Oh that's excellent

[dusky leaf]

Wow

[runic hare]

Idk if anyone is old enough to remember easycafe’s in the Uk?

Internet cafes for like £1 per hour with insanely good internet speeds

I remember going in on like a Saturday with all my friends to go play cs source

[reef isle]

I remember internet cafes being a thing when I was really young

[runic hare]

These were around way longer than like the rest of the internet cafes

Because they were so good

[reef isle]

interesting

[dusky leaf]

£50 per night in glasgow, thats like hostel prices in uk

[runic hare]

Pisa or mxp

Alternates

FR972 if you wanna track

[untold finch]

https://fselite.net/content/aerosoft-crj-update-teased-in-youtube-video/

Well I never

Didn't think we'd ever see this

[uneven fern]

I just saw that. Unfortunately it's for 2020 only

[untold finch]

LNAV, VNAV, 2024, LPV and more are all being worked on. To my knowledge This will update all CRJ 550/700 900/1000.

[uneven fern]

They are working on 2024 compatibility but it may not be with this update

[untold finch]

yeah

that's a lot more than was expected

[uneven fern]

Since they have been working on this update for 4 years now. I don't see them releasing a 2024 version anytime soon

It's still good to see them finally doing something with the plane after years of broken promises

[trim harbor]

it look p good

cannot lie

wtf is that picture lol

[untold finch]

lends credence to the idea that he's doing these videos at gunpoint

[mortal furnace]

same old questions

always boring

[reef isle]

I'm so happy, the controller on Ground told me that they all had to look what my aircraft was because they were confused

Every additional person aware of the Mercure's existence make me a bit more happy

[reef isle]

Back when Boeing Jet "Intercontinental" and "Airbus" narrowed it down to its actual model (although, does that make the 747 not intercontinental?)

[dusty sky]

What

[reef isle]

It's an early '70s timetable

[dusty sky]

I'm very confused right now

[reef isle]

Airbus can only be the A300

[dusty sky]

Well yeah ofc

[reef isle]

Yeah, the rest was just a joke on the fact that they labelled the 707 as "Boeing Jet Intercontinental"

I've no idea why, since clearly the 747 was already around

[dusty sky]

Lmao

[lethal jasper]

To my knowledge the 707-3 is known as "Intercontinental" of the variants

[trim harbor]

my biggest respect to u for flying that thing

seriously

[reef isle]

It's not too bad, the cockpit is surprisingly advanced, especially compared to the 727 and 737-200, let alone the soviet birds

It has a real MCP for a start

And it will EVEN allow you to select an altitude at which it will level off

Also the cockpit and overhead is very neatly organized, I love it

Can't wait for it to come to MSFS

[runic hare]

I’m still waiting for the FSX AN-124 to be ported to xp

[reef isle]

I've looked into this and apparently porting FSX models in X-Plane is not really a thing

The only thing you can use are the 3D models apparently

[reef isle]

It's a big shame that ini has done the AN-225 and nothing else

It shares a lot of instrumentation with other planes like the Il-86 and of course the An-124

[trim harbor]

is it coming?

[rustic charm]

Well the 727 does that too! Except you gotta arm it to level off at the set altitude separately, otherwise it’s gonna just continue climbing infinitely until it stalls and falls

[rustic charm]

“Sir, what are you flying”

[reef isle]

Yes

I'll send you a DM with an email from the dev

[reef isle]

Hahahah true

(I was thinking more about the soviet planes)

[rustic charm]

Oh the Soviet planes are truly masterpieces

[reef isle]

Since I'll spend the whole day being bored I'm going to suggest to inibuilds that they build an IL-86 using pieces from the An-225 and the L-1011

Which I'm sure is going to be the thing that makes all the difference

[dusty sky]

yes

[reef isle]

I'll start the MSFS soviet plane revolution (no need to thank me, YOU are welcome)

[rustic charm]

The rest of the world:
“If you’re flying directly towards the VOR, where will the needle point?”
“Straight ahead obviously!”

Soviet Union:
“Well if you’re flying directly towards the VOR, where will the needle point?”
“Well where is the VOR? Is it south of you? Then the needle will point down. Is it east of you? The needle will point right”

[dusty sky]

expect for the tu-104 that thing is an absolute disaster

[reef isle]

Beautiful

[rustic charm]

Ahem…
Change every single pronoun there to WE

[reef isle]

RSBN giving you the direction centered on the NAVAID and pointing towards where you are is just peak soviet design

[reef isle]

We finally figured out a way to end this whole pronoun thing, WE can ONLY use we/our

[runic hare]

No financial incentive too

[rustic charm]

That’s exactly the way WE do it

[runic hare]

You can do some system and logic stuff as well

They did it with the YAK

[reef isle]

Oh interesting

[rustic charm]

That is fair, I expect that out of the whole MSFS community only a small percentage is interested in Soviet aircraft

[runic hare]

Or well they ported XP systems into FSX and the other way around

Exactly

[reef isle]

Yeah, I'll still write it, but I fully expect to be ignored

[rustic charm]

Truthfully I expect the best we will get is planes that are really similar to Western aircraft. Like, I wouldn’t be too surprised if a Tu-204 popped up, that thing is basically a 757. Or an An-148, I’m not fully sure about that one but it looks suspiciously close to the RJ

[runic hare]

I mean if MSFS had logic similar to XP or FSX you could just port the systems into a new aircraft that you make with either the requirement of the ini or permission from them

You can’t just do that tho

[rustic charm]

I guess we do have that one 154 that’s being worked on, hopefully we’ll see it before the year 2050

[reef isle]

An-148 ❤️

I want Frog

[rustic charm]

Oh the 72 would be lovely too

That thing would be fun, landing on runways that are literally just not even runways

You could probably land that thing in a field without sustaining any damage

And the 74 for Arctic operations too…

[reef isle]

I love the idea to use the engine thrust to generate lift using the Coanda effect

Blown Flaps turned up to the max

I bet that thing can land and take off at stupidly low speeds

(Just hope you don't get an engine failure )

Unfortunately that doesn't exist even in FSX (there's just very mediocre add-ons)

[runic hare]

Just whack the APU on and turn the bleed onto max 😂😂

[reef isle]

Reminds me of the BAe146 where they'd have the APU on for take off because it was so underpowered

[runic hare]

Only in icing conditions

That’s one of our procedures actually

Use the APU for anti ice

[reef isle]

Oh interesting

Yeah that makes sense

[runic hare]

If your above a certain weight

On the 8200’s you can isolate the APU to bleed only to the anti-ice systems

Not on the -800 tho

[rustic charm]

Ngl never noticed it being underpowered with JF’s version, but to be fair I don’t fly it much

[runic hare]

I mean it has engines the size of my thumb

[rustic charm]

What I did always notice is the lack of reverse thrust cause that thing ain’t stopping anywhere xD

[reef isle]

Try to do a bit of United Express flights out of Denver

That will make you realise quickly

[runic hare]

I mean I would be surprised if you could fit a thrust reverse system in there

Can’t do buckets because your gonna set the engine next to it alight

[rustic charm]

I mean, as for an-72/74, the whole point of their existence was to be able to take off and land on very short runways

[reef isle]

Yep, that's why I love the design

[runic hare]

When an148

[reef isle]

And in general, that's why I love a lot of Soviet designs, they decided to go ahead with a lot of very interesting ideas that were discarded in the west due to practicality or safety

[rustic charm]

To be fair, I haven’t done a single proper flight in ghat thing
Just some messing around in Alaska or in Paro

Trying to learn it. But there are a couple issues, mainly me not having any hardware. It just doesn’t steer on the ground. And in the air, I just am not too used to its reactions to keyboard inputs. They’re slower than on PMDG planes, so I usually end up crashing onto the runway with wayyy too much force xD

[reef isle]

For example, YC-14, never went into production

But OUR glorious An-72/74 did ❤️

[reef isle]

Oh right, you're flying on Keyboard

Respect

[rustic charm]

Yep

Every day

I feel pain

[reef isle]

I'd love to send you my old T16000M

But I think postage to Russia would be just as expensive as buying one

[rustic charm]

Well that’s exactly the issue

It’s not even the price of stuff

It’s the price of delivery

[reef isle]

Yep

[rustic charm]

For Thrustmaster stuff, I looked at buying it to Kazakhstan and then sending it here from there. Well delivery to Kazakhstan alone was over 200$, plus probably around 100 to get it to Russia afterwards

Really the best option is to find something in an actual shop on one of my trips abroad and then just bring it back in the luggage

[reef isle]

Maybe Virpil can be your friend they're based in Russia but their stuff is VERY expensive

[rustic charm]

Yeah, it’s quite expensive. Plus tbh, those are more military stuff, and I haven’t flown military at all lol

[reef isle]

I mean, I'm happily flying my 737 with the Warbird stick and base

But yeah I see what you mean

If you spend so much money you'd rather have something good for the kind of flying you do

[rustic charm]

Yeah, exactly

A good yoke is even more expensive… but yeah lol

[runic hare]

My mate is really really into warhammer stuff and because it’s cheap he buys all his stuff from Russia. Its always filled out at customs as a “gift”

Can you not just get away with that

Because I have stuff I could send as well

[rustic charm]

Well I guess that’s possible, but don’t forget you gotta send it all through Kazakhstan as well. And I’m honestly not entirely sure over postage rules there, iirc there are some additional charges too

Meanwhile I’m about to be landing in Edmonton… Ice crystals, -32°C lol

I think it’s the coldest I’ve flown in

[rustic charm]

Welp, delivery from Boeing Field to Edmonton done. Planned to go onto Yellowknife next, but I need a longer flight right now

I am on 98 flights and 184 hours, and I want my 100th flight to coincide with my 200th hour, and I plan it to be Moscow to Bangkok. So next I gotta do some flight which will bring me to at least 192…

[wide zenith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY1Z1WuyWpk

[full plank]

spit your shit Orbx

[hollow oracle]

AI generated plane, like 70 years before AI

[dusty sky]

I'd send you my yoke if I could

But you know...

Also it's a bit broken 😬

[hollow oracle]

should i be worried

[hollow oracle]

big ass forehead

[hollow oracle]

good pushback, gsx

[hollow oracle]

nyoom

[alpine coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hI514XxMCo

lol

[hollow oracle]

the A380 might be one of the worst aircraft i have ever hand flown

it flies like an F-18 fighter jet

on approach i was all over the place, i probably gave like half of the people in the cabin concussions, because the controls are so overly touchy for how gigantic the plane is

[hollow oracle]

I really don’t like how there’s no real use for orbx orbs anymore

I have like 90, you get 10 every time you renew your Volanta subscription, but there’s nothing in the orb store rn

[full plank]

I redeemed like 1 scenery from Orbx with their orbs

Most my scenery I have is sold thru iniBuilds

[trim harbor]

No

An f18 is light af

The a380 flies like a bus

[uneven fern]

https://fselite.net/content/rumour-microsoft-flight-simulator-2024-could-be-coming-to-switch-2-and-ps5/

[dusty sky]

It's almost like it came from a project called the lightweight fighter program...

[rustic charm]

Folks, I need help

I need someone to tell me if I’m going crazy

I swear there isn’t a Kai Tak in base MSFS at all, right?

[echo gorge]

There is

Got added in the anniversary update

[rustic charm]

Wait what

And when was that update

I think I’m losing my mind, I swear not too long ago I was looking at it and it wasn’t there at all

[dusty sky]

It was almost 3 years ago I think...

40th anniversary update anyway

[rustic charm]

And like, it’s hand-crafted even, it’s not default

[dusty sky]

Yeah

[rustic charm]

…okay I am indeed going crazy

[echo gorge]

There's a really nice update for it on fs.to as well

Adds all the correct logos on the billboards

[rustic charm]

I’ll take a look too

[hollow oracle]

I was making pretty minimal rudder inputs on landing and almost flipped the thing, just the tiniest adjustments make it go insane

[trail monolith]

I really hate this plane

[static mango]

Should I get MSFS 2024 or stick on 2020 for now?

[hollow oracle]

id stay on 2020 tbh

[static mango]

Aight will do heard 2024 had an awful launch

[hollow oracle]

i just wanted to fly the 777

[hollow oracle]

it has been a LONG time since ive flown the A32NX

the last time i flew in one was november

[runic hare]

Hmmm

Im working today then 3 days off

[dusty sky]

Peach

[runic hare]

I’m really feeling like some colimata Concorde flights

LFPG - SBRJ

Via dakar

GOOY

[reef isle]

Do you like the Colimata?

I "tried" it and I wasn't impressed

[runic hare]

Oh yeah I really like it

[reef isle]

It honestly doesn't feel that much better than the DCD (and that's not a compliment for the DCD Conc)

[reef isle]

Fair

[runic hare]

I think the depth of the systems is very very decent

It flys well

Lands like I think it should

[reef isle]

I don't know, just like the DCD Conc it felt way too easy to hit that M2 / 60.000ft

the fact they don't simulate aerodynamic heating is disappointing too

[runic hare]

That’s very hard to model since most sims don’t have that functionality built in

I do agree tho it is quite disappointing

[runic hare]

I mean they do hit it quite easily

Or did IRL

[reef isle]

Also the A/P felt a bit too jank, I mean, I don't expect an A320 but I swear every time I made any change to any vertical mode it felt like it would level off first and then would start to actually do what I wanted it to

[runic hare]

When did you try the colimata?

V2?

[reef isle]

Eh, not really, depending on atmospheric conditions and load sometimes they wouldn't even reach 60.000

[runic hare]

Most conc flights they ran quite a heavy derate tho

Especially the standard JFK hops

[reef isle]

I think so?

[runic hare]

The original colimata is wank V1.0 but V2 was ok and then V2.3 I think was the one to beat

V3 just adds better textures and a few other bug fixes

[reef isle]

Well I would have tried it in XP11

so I think it was the latest version available for 11

[runic hare]

Yeah V1 and V2 are XP11

V2.3 released I think about a year ago now

I think it’s 2.3 I might be wrong

The most recent V2

[reef isle]

Maybe I can give it another try and make sure it's the V2 variant, but I don't know, I feel like without aerodyanamic heating you're missing too much

it was THE MAIN LIMITATION

like, Autothrottle was linked to a temperature sensor

I just feel like it's too important to not simulate

[runic hare]

Honestly I kinda agree

Even still it’s one guy doing everything then one other guy doing textures

And it’s not that expensive for how much plane you get really

I still think it’s miles above any other concord for any sim

[reef isle]

Even the FSLabs?

[runic hare]

Oh yeah

[reef isle]

Well that's the first time I've heard someone with this opinion, why?

[runic hare]

There is quite a lot that is simulated with the Colimata in failure modes that you can’t do with the FsLabs

[reef isle]

Ah fair enough

[runic hare]

I think it looks way way better as well

[full plank]

Yeh & the FSLabs was meant to come with the ability to turn off the vFE & vFO

[reef isle]

You can't?

[full plank]

No

[reef isle]

That's dogshit

I'm not going to fly with virtual crew members.

I can't trust it

[runic hare]

Also you have to use P3D

[reef isle]

so if I have to verify that everything is right, I might as well do it myself

[full plank]

I do appreciate the extra help but there comes a point where the training wheels come off

[runic hare]

I don’t want to install a livery wrong and have it brick my sim

[full plank]

Yea its a fickke beast, I still have it installed but its just the Concorde & relevant destinations

[reef isle]

I don't to be completely honest, I just don't get virtual crew members, I can understand delegating some tedius stuff (like fuel transfer in Conc), but it actually doing checklists and like configuring stuff

isn't it scary?

like, that it "just happens"?

[runic hare]

Checklists are useful

But having them do stuff gets annoying

[reef isle]

Yeah exactly

I don't way an AI to click switches in my cockpit and change stuff

[full plank]

Like yea the only thing I can do in the before start checklist is recall the master warn

[reef isle]

That's deeply annoying and very boring

might as well fly a Vision Jet at that point

[full plank]

Its a fun fly otherwise but don’t fly too much Concorde anymore

[runic hare]

I remember the worst offender, old versions of the Aerosoft 320 series used to come with a Vfo that would turn off the fuel pumps at cruise

Like this was around 2013/14ish

[reef isle]

I just find it deeply unsettling that I might find a switch in a different position compared to what I set it to

I don't want to happen

[full plank]

I do look forward to see the Conc in MSFS, probably the only FSLabs product i’ll buy for it

[runic hare]

Yeah

God I can’t wait for vatsim on that day

“Speedbird concord 1a why are you doing mach 2 at 35000ft?”

[reef isle]

I hope the high price and barrier to entry will prevent another A380 style disaster

(although not looking forward to the A350 release)

[rustic charm]

The 380 just opens all the new levels of cursed ngl

I’ve seen someone do Heathrow to Glasgow in an A380

Why. Just. Why. Is there really just no other plane?

[echo gorge]

https://www.justflight.com/product/sky-simulations-mcdonnell-douglas-dc-9-msfs?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=New Sky Simulations DC-9 for MSFS 20202024&utm_content=New Sky Simulations DC-9 for MSFS 20202024+CID_2ecd57c874ab7f0e4a40f5778a174731&utm_source=cm&utm_term=Sky Simulations DC-9 holy shit, a dc9 in msfs?

Really hope it's decent

Supposedly the Dev has a a bit of a checkered past but I really hope it's good

[rustic charm]

Ooh

That is interesting

Literally out of the blue

[rustic charm]

Doing touch and gos in a 777 at Kai Tak at night seemed like a good idea to me, so yeah… that’s how I am spending my evening lol

[trail monolith]

Can confirm it's also there in 2024

[dusty sky]

Ooo cute new pfp

Also jemta airlines

[hollow oracle]

The md-11 got a massive update

[rustic charm]

Oh my god is Jem flying a Jemta Airlines (part of JemTeam alliance) Jembus J320

And all of this started with just a simple EasyJem joke

[wide zenith]

3rd time trying this flight, something like third times the charm would be great right now

1st time was GSX not working because anytime they update GSX breaks and Im forced to install the update

2nd time my cpu temps were blitzed and had to update a bunch of drivers

[wide zenith]

Thank you!

[wide zenith]

going from Jemver to Jem Lake City

[rustic charm]

Oh I actually gotta do that one too

I’m trying to link up my Volanta

And I have a stranded flight between SLC and Jackson Hole. And the closest linked point is Denver

[wide zenith]

my volanta is such a mess I don't wanna try even think how i could link it all up 😭

[rustic charm]

I think I actually need to link up just 4 points now? Off the top of my head I need to do Edmonton - Yellowknife - Rankin Inlet - Iqaluit to link up Ottawa; JFK - Hamilton - Moncton to link up Moncton; Denver - SLC to link up SLC; Dubai - Stansted to link up Stansted

As for the last one… what the fuck Emirates

Why do you run triples to Stansted several times per day

Considering you have 6 fucking flights on A380s into Heathrow every day, plus 2 more on 777s

Like there’s absolutely no way

Plus BA also flies 380s to Dubai several times per day

[wide zenith]

Gotta get the ogligarchs around somehow

emirates send an a380 into birmingham

newcastle too as I think they own something important in newcastle

probs a 77W into newcastle tho

[rustic charm]

And a 380 into Manchester too

Emirates is literally the definition of “I like big plane. Big plane go everywhere”

[reef isle]

This linking up thing seems pretty intersting, I might do it as well once the Starship is out

Unfortunately I have to wait until that sort of plane is out, as most of the trips will never make sense with any airliner

[hollow oracle]

ive been doing that ever since i got volanta, right now im trying to finish my flights around the globe

[rustic charm]

Cause there is not a single chance there is actually demand for 10k seats per day between the UK and Dubai in either direction

[hollow oracle]

the only real flights i need to do are across siberia to beijing, and connecting dubai to somewhere else

[reef isle]

Ah, nice, I never thought of it ahah 😅 I just used to try my best to fly the same route the least amount of times possible

[wide zenith]

What are we counting as linking airports. Does every airport you fly to have to be connected to every single airport you've flown to or does that have to be a contious line from anywhere

[reef isle]

I think that there must not be any isolated "loops"

[rustic charm]

Yeah

[wide zenith]

I see

[rustic charm]

Basically, you can get from any point to any point

[reef isle]

like for example here I could fly between Niigata and Sendai

[wide zenith]

not sure how i'd even make sure considering the spider mess this is

[reef isle]

Yeah same tbh

[rustic charm]

Doesn’t have to be direct

For me the funniest thing is definitely London

Cause I have flights in/out of 3 airports there, Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted

[reef isle]

Well, in theory as long as they share at least one destination it's fine

[rustic charm]

None of them are connected to a common destination

[reef isle]

For example I'm pretty sure AMS sees flights from all of London's airports

[rustic charm]

Stansted is completely isolated from the rest of the network, with only 2 flights using it - one from Dublin, one to Tenerife South

Dublin and Tenerife South are both also fully disconnected, no destinations from there other than Stansted

[reef isle]

Just go to Dublin or Amsterdam

[wide zenith]

Its a good way to get your proper moneys worth out of an airport you buy, sometimes i'll buy an airport and only fly once or twice

[reef isle]

Maybe I shouldn't do these challenges, I doo to much min/maxing instead of having fun

[rustic charm]

Heathrow is connected to only 2 places - Dubai (which links it to Moscow and subsequently pretty much all of my flights in the Eastern hemisphere) and Boston (which pretty much connects it to all of my US flights), so Heathrow is very well connected

In fact Boston is the only airport that fully links New York - I have flights there from each of the major 3

Meanwhile Gatwick… only one destination from there. Halifax. And Halifax is only connected to one other place too - Boeing Field. I only did a delivery of a TUI 737 to Gatwick, nothing else yet

[reef isle]

Solved 😄

[wide zenith]

When the 777-2 ers come out you can do a bunch of stuff out of gatters

[rustic charm]

See I could potentially connect Heathrow to Dublin and then the Stansted flights would be connected, but one problem - only BA and Aer Lingus, meaning A320s, which isn’t an option

[reef isle]

Oh I didn't realise A320 wasn't an option, so 737 only?

[rustic charm]

It’s easier to just do the funny and fly an Emirates triple to Stansted because dear UAE, what

[rustic charm]

Yeah, I don’t fly Airbus at all yet xD

And I don’t have a good 320 either

[reef isle]

well that's 2/3 at least

[rustic charm]

Well, I guess Ryanair could work indeed

[reef isle]

Well, of course AMS comes out on top

easy to connect all three

[rustic charm]

Well yeah, but…

[reef isle]

Yeah Yeah

[rustic charm]

I’m actually terrified of Schipol

That place scares me

[wide zenith]

36L takeoff moment

[reef isle]

I know myself...

[reef isle]

It's just boring because the never ending taxi

[rustic charm]

Tivat doesn’t. Even Kai Tak doesn’t. Hell, even Paro is not scary. But Schipol is

[reef isle]

May I ask why? It's just a totally normal european airport

[rustic charm]

Too much ground

[reef isle]

you're scared of the taxi?

[rustic charm]

Absolutely, ground is actually my weakest point

Flying from Miami to Bogota I literally taxied to the wrong runway…

[reef isle]

Oh, just keep on the right (for the A/B taxiway thing) and then just go where you need to go

[reef isle]

Ah fair enough

Yeah unfortunately without KLM it's going to be a bit harder with just the 737 to connect all of them

perhaps with some French destination you could get lucky with Transavia

[wide zenith]

KDEN is a bit of a shithouse too in terms of ground complexity

currenty going to 17L and its taking aages

american terminals are at least mostly straight lines

[reef isle]

YOOO that's lucky

Bless EasyJem for having 737s

[rustic charm]

My friend actually proposed doing a group flight from London to Amsterdam as a group flight, I just told him to choose a different place xD
So we chose Innsbruck, which is pretty much the reason why I have a TOM 738 sitting in Gatwick right now, waiting for that flight

[rustic charm]

Wait since when do BAW and EZY have 737s

I knew EZY had 737 classics

But didn’t know they had NGs

[reef isle]

the BAW flight is leased from Jet Time

[rustic charm]

Oh, fair then

[reef isle]

and EZY had NGs for a short time

[rustic charm]

Oh that has to be fun

[rustic charm]

Edinburgh to Heathrow would probably be quite nice

Plus I do expect there are flights to Edinburgh from London City? That would mean linking that one up as well once I get the hang of the 146

[reef isle]

Yep 😄

the KLM one is KLM UK

shoot I'd also need to connect Luton 😭

[rustic charm]

Eh, I allow you not to, nobody cares about Luton anyway and nobody wants to be there

Gatwick has a “Welcome to Luton” sign and that does enough

[wide zenith]

I did sometimes do west coast USA ops in xp11 but doing it in msfs is something else

[full plank]

& its gonna go fucking hard when that releases

[runic hare]

I think some of you would appreciate this

And this

[rustic charm]

Oh that is cozy

[hollow oracle]

id love to just take a cockpit flight in any airliner ngl

[trim harbor]

pilots in the us let u do it often

after landing

[untold finch]

"If you look closely you can actually pinpoint the exact moment he burnt out on flight simming"