Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[rustic charm]

A lot of American

[uneven fern]

Flying from KBOS (in the last photo) the 2nd photo is KMSP

[rustic charm]

Boston is honestly wonderful

Love flying there

Although I do mostly do hops from/to New York

FlyTampa did such an awesome job with KBOS in MSFS though

[uneven fern]

Yep, and they just released an update the other day for it

[rustic charm]

It was one of the first airports I bought, and I just couldn’t have chosen better really

[rustic charm]

Oh they did? Will have to wait until it appears on the marketplace ofc

[rustic charm]

Oh that is wonderful

[uneven fern]

Hopefully not too long for the marketplace.. most likely after The Microsoft team comes back from the holiday

[rustic charm]

Most likely yeah

[uneven fern]

But nice to see them still updating their products (FlyTampa) one of the better 3rd party devs out there

KLAS is quite lovely as well

[rustic charm]

Oh definitely, I’d have to say one of the best scenery devs. Even though I only own their Boston. But it’s just glorious

[uneven fern]

Flight Beam is good as well

[rustic charm]

Not sure if I own anything of theirs tbf

[wide zenith]

TAP ops

flight beam KSFO is fantastic

[shadow burrow]

Hopefully we're getting the marketplace for 2024 too

[rustic charm]

Did get some ini stuff as of late. KJFK (that one a while back tbf) EGLL and OMDB, plus the Dubai skyline pack

[rustic charm]

Everyone here flying the a320

Meanwhile I just got off one irl a couple hours ago

Sitting right now on a wonderful 11-hour connection in Cairo

[uneven fern]

Ini stuff is good.. but peformance wise not the best

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah I can see that lol

Boston’s much more optimised than JFK from my experience

[shadow burrow]

Scenery or Aircraft wise?

sorry ping

[uneven fern]

For sure! plus the latest update for KBOS improved that

but, both scenery and aircraft

[rustic charm]

Although I did start getting issues with it too, takes a while to load sometimes. But that’s mostly just my laptop not doing that great already

[wide zenith]

I honestly don't rave much about inibuilds stuff much, some stuff is great but I find its just mid. like it doesnt ever blow me away like pyreegues stuff

[uneven fern]

Yeah, I'm running MSFS 2024 and I don't really do default planes.. so I'm kinda stuck with the Fenix planes until the other 3rd parties that I own update to 2024.

[wide zenith]

(i also hate the whole way they handle tax on their site but thats a different thing)

[rustic charm]

Honestly I don’t even really have any ini aircraft. Well the A310 of course that I’m trying to learn. But that isn’t really going well

[wide zenith]

you go to checkout and its more expensive than advertised

[rustic charm]

Yeah, right, there isn’t much now is it? The Fenix, plus the Avro RJ, and that’s about it

[uneven fern]

Not really, no.. There's a handful

[shadow burrow]

The only Ini marketplace plane i own is the AN225 otherwise i only got the A310, A320neo and the A400m not sure which more they've done

[uneven fern]

I ended up doing a clean install of windows 11 when 2024 came out, and I never bothered to re-install 2020

[rustic charm]

Oh and the A300, I forgot ini actually updated it with a MSFS24-native version now too

[shadow burrow]

Planning on getting the A350?

[uneven fern]

I might

[wide zenith]

I haven't touched 2024 in 2 weeks

[uneven fern]

I really don't do long hauls

[rustic charm]

Tbh I might get it just for the sake of gathering more of Aeroflot’s fleet, but I wouldn’t fly it often probably

If I have something medium haul, I usually go 737. If long haul, 77W

[shadow burrow]

I only play the career mode though i'm waiting on the Super Heavy Cargo update that unlocks the cert for the Beluga and Atlas

[uneven fern]

Same on 2020.. just waiting for PMDG to update their stuff for the new sim. which I know will probably be a few months

[rustic charm]

Yeah

At least they iirc said they won’t charge for it, right?

[wide zenith]

I never really got into it

[uneven fern]

Last I heard they are waiting on a bug fix from Asobo which should be in the next patch

[rustic charm]

Cause the initial plan was for updates to be payware both for the 737 and the triple

[uneven fern]

well, it depends.. they are saying their might be a modest update charge

it's PMDG afterall

[rustic charm]

True

[wide zenith]

I just haven't had much of a point in 2024, it seems a bit unstable still, most aircraft I use don't work in 24 yet, I didnt really wanna spend my time worrying about crashing with a perfectly stable sim in 2020. and the whole always streaming stuff bleh

[rustic charm]

Tbh I don’t even have the 2024 anyway lol

[uneven fern]

But knowing Robert, he says one thing and often does the opposite thing and pretends he never said anything

[uneven fern]

2024 has defenitly improved since first launch, but it's not on the level of 2020 yet (it's getting there)

but it's quite stable for me though

[rustic charm]

I will only properly consider 2024 once there is an option to download stuff instead of streaming from cloud

[uneven fern]

which is coming

you can sorta do that now

[wide zenith]

Its definetely a bit all over the place, i know people who are having a great time with no crashes then I watch another streamer and theyve crashed twice in 15 mins . I really do hope it gets better soon, the lighting is brilliant and the atmosphere is so much better

ground effect too

[uneven fern]

and the install size is only like 50GB now

literally took me 10-15 minutes to install

[wide zenith]

give it 6-12 months and I reckon we'll have a decent sim overall

[uneven fern]

but, nothing wrong with waiting to update to 2024 when 2020 works just fine

yep

[shadow burrow]

Though Steam is saying it's only 10gb

[rustic charm]

Like, for the next 2 weeks almost I’ll be in Africa. I have my laptop with me. In 2020 I’ll still be able to fly, even with poor wifi. Yes some things will look awful. The ground will be low res. The airports… I don’t usually fly to defaults anyway. But I’m gonna be able to fly anyway, with my planes still showing up

[rustic charm]

That is truly an advantage tbh

[wide zenith]

I just hope microsoft don't see the launch situation and do any dumb corporate move against asobo

[rustic charm]

But I bought a whole 2TB external SSD exclusively for MSFS anyway

[uneven fern]

I don't think that will happened

[wide zenith]

[uneven fern]

the launch was quite unfortanate though 😦 I do applaud Microsoft for flat out saying the launch sucked and being honest about it

[shadow burrow]

Hopefully not *I'm still waiting on a new plague tale game from them *

[rustic charm]

Yeah, at least they were honest

But tbh, are we not used to absolutely shitty launches here? XD

[uneven fern]

Yep! That's what I was trying to tell the MSFS community over on their discord

[shadow burrow]

You seem to be more active there than here

[rustic charm]

Like, the 2020 launch was bad I’ve heard. Planes often launch poorly too. Just remember the MD-11 “You are in the queue, approximate waiting time is 4 hours” or the 77W, where people would buy it and not receive any activations just because of how overstressed the servers are

[wide zenith]

at least they didn't delete the community folder in an update

[uneven fern]

To be quite honest I kinda got burnt out from the train sim community... been on this server literally since it started so was taking a break

[shadow burrow]

Fair enough

[rustic charm]

Ain’t RailWorks just lovely

[uneven fern]

and been a moderator on here since the start as well

I pop in from time to time and do quite a bit of behind the scenes stuff for the server

[wide zenith]

Fair, between either I'd say flight sim is at least a little bit less toxic and a bit more of a mature fanbase

[uneven fern]

Yeah, depends on the community really

like the AVSIM forums can be a toxic hell hole

old school vs new players

console vs pc type thing

nevermind the fact that we wouldn't even have Flight Sim 2020 / 2024 if it wasn't for the Xbox

[wide zenith]

Oh yeah AVSIM goes way back 😭 The general sentiment is probably not a whole lot different than what goes down in the DTG forums

[uneven fern]

quite similar

[wide zenith]

yup... same with tsw. console funding only benefits but I do see how some people can get frustrated if a game is tailored only to a console with pc being left behind a bit. regardless of the 2024 release tho I am very very excited for the 757

can't wait to fire up some rb211s

[uneven fern]

Blue Bird is doing the 757?

I don't know much about them

[wide zenith]

also please can we get an lfpg in 2024

yup bluebird, new dev on the scene so its a bit wobbly we don't know how its gonna go

but they do active updates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXFNucnMtHc

that channel has a plethora of info about the aircraft, with systems probably transferring a bit between the 75 and 76

cause theyre making both

and a 787

[uneven fern]

oh, nice

[shadow burrow]

Which of the 787's ?

[uneven fern]

yeah, we need a decent 757

seems like we have 100 a320's though

[wide zenith]

I expect -9 https://fselite.net/content/bluebird-simulations-teases-boeing-787-dreamliner/

[wide zenith]

yeah its a bit silly at this point, my friend bought the fslabs and is enjoying it but there really is little point in it for people with the fenix 321

NEO versions might sell a bit better, but I'm kinda satisfied with the FBW 320 NEO if I ever wanted idk

[shadow burrow]

Do i even wanna ask?

[uneven fern]

Best not to

[rustic charm]

Why is your 320 in the mountains

[rustic charm]

Tbh if I ever need a good 320, I’ll just get the Fenix, and idc it’s only the CEO, I won’t notice the difference anyway

[uneven fern]

I wanted to climb mt Everest so that was my starting location, the plane of course started sliding down the mountain

[rustic charm]

Ah, it’s more or less understandable

But did you know that it’s easier to climb mountains when you’re actually in a plane, because a plane can fly

[uneven fern]

The walking feature in 2024 is kinda cool

Makes for some creepy sceeenshota

[wide zenith]

-9 fpm, didnt even feel touchdown not sure how I pulled that off 😂

okay last one this flight was just that pretty

[rustic charm]

Those are quite nice screenshots indeed

I totally didn’t think “What the hell is a Portuguese 320 doing in San Francisco”

Which is even more embarrassing cause I’ve actually been to Lisbon, I’ve driven over that bridge, I’ve visited the statue as well; and I’ve never been to San Francisco

[wide zenith]

I suppose they are a bit similar yeah 😅 Cool you've been to those places and can spot them

[shadow burrow]

It’s a shame because FSLabs made hands down the best recreation of an A320 series aircraft back in P3D

I still to this day think it’s the best there has ever been

[uneven fern]

FSLabs shot themselves in the foot unfortunately

Many older simmers who were around at that time still haven’t forgave them for that

[shadow burrow]

Yep

As far as I know most of the old team have all fucked off to bigger and better things

No chance of a keylogger now 😂😂

[uneven fern]

Didn’t one of them end up at PMDG for awhile? Or do I have that backwards

The main person who was responsible for the key logger

[rustic charm]

Yeah, honestly a lot of really cool memories from Lisbon. A lovely city it sure is, would definitely recommend for a visit. Plus really Portugal is beautiful, soooo many gorgeous castles of all the different varieties

[rustic charm]

Tbh I wouldn’t be surprised if their 321 in MSFS is the best there is too. But to be honest, even if that’s the case, I would’ve still preferred them do something that is not an A320

[tired pond]

The difference between the Aerosoft and the FSL in P3D was pretty big

Between Fenix and FSL is a lot smaller

[rustic charm]

If some dev wants to make an Airbus… do the 340. Come on, that is a really interesting plane, genuinely. Even as someone who much prefers Boeing, I would swoop up a good 340 as soon as I can

I’d really like the 340 to be made. It’s really the only sidestick plane I’m genuinely interested in. Mahan Air from Tehran to Moscow is something I’d fly

[wide zenith]

Portugal is stunning, never stepped into lisbon personally but faro was a family destination in and was very good.

Its sad abt FSL as i’d watch streamers fly it and get jealous about all its fidelity but with fenix, for a single variant their only really targeting real world 321 pilots or a specific section of the community that really wanted the fsl in msfs or that extra bit of simulation the fenix doesnt have. I saw my friend using the MEL and icing stuff which was cool tho so it does one up fenix in quite a few ways

but then I saw in a chat from someone that it took them back to p3d and it shipped without the cabin being finished so setting up views was difficult apparently so

[rustic charm]

Tbh I’m not surprised FSL one ups Fenix

But

The question is whether it one ups it enough for the community to consider the switch worth it

Cause by now 99% of the people who are interested in an A320 already have the Fenix

And most of them won’t switch I reckon

[hollow oracle]

lol, people are actually buying that malaware when the fenix exists?

the fenix is plenty detailed enough

[reef isle]

Not really

It has been by far the quietest airliner release in MSFS

Not even the Bredok A380 get so little coverage

Although I think overall their strategy kind of makes sense

I think they planned for their A321neo to be their big hit, so they treated their 321ceo almost as a "teaser" hoping that they might still catch a few customers

Their A321neo is going to be fairly popular with the very hardcore simmers I think

[hollow oracle]

im interested in a 321neo, but having a ceo as their first release, with their reputation already, is a braindead move

[reef isle]

Look at it from their PoV, if they released the neo first and the ceo second, nobody would buy the ceo

By doing it like this at least they can catch some of the impatient people

Same reason why PMDG released the 737-800 last

[hollow oracle]

if you go this route, you have a big popular release of an aircraft that doesnt exist in high fidelity, many people are interested, CEO release second to catch the people who saw the quality of the neo

[reef isle]

I don't think that would work

Or, not nearly as well as what they've done now

Because a lot simmers are fairly new, so they either don't know anything about FSL, or are very old simmers that remember their excellent 320 series on P3D

They don't really need to demonstrate anything to anyone

[hollow oracle]

that remember their malaware in the 320 series, too

[reef isle]

The Malware thing, as always, the percentage of people that remember, and still hold a grudge is nowhere even remotely close to even be a rounding error

A small percentage of customers remembers, an even smaller amount care, and an even smaller amount will actually not buy it

[rustic charm]

Yeah, and weirdly they went to release the 77W first, even though I’d say it’s the most popular triple

[reef isle]

Yes, but IMO in this case they are both going to be very popular

But yeah, it is a bit weird

I think they just wanted to stay well clear of the FS24 release

[rustic charm]

Well, with PMDG’s triples, I think they’re gonna first of all just dump the originals, I do not think we’ll see 777-200 and 777-300. We will see -200ER probably, and probably -200LR last

[reef isle]

RSR already told a few weeks ago that the one and only reason why the 777-200 was released so late was just due to marketing

They didn't want that the news of the -200F release would have been lost in the noise

The -300ER release was huge and conveniently was a few weeks before everyone started questioning whether or not to hold off buying things until the new sim is out

And I'm 100% sure all the major Devs knew about FS24 before it was publicly announced

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah, it was a giant release. You know, I would even go as far as to say it was the biggest release of the year

[reef isle]

Yep

I think the A350 release might be the only thing that could come close

[rustic charm]

Well, the A350 won’t be this year though

[reef isle]

So yeah, I think that PMDG had foreseen that when they launched the -300ER was the last big marketing opportunity for a long time, a lot less people would have veen upset about the -200F and the -200ER missing for such a long time

[rustic charm]

If they had released it a couple days ago, I am sure it would’ve actually passed the triple. Firstly, the A350 is really liked and wanted. And secondly, when you release something just in time for Christmas, a lot of people who wouldn’t buy it on release day otherwise would instead treat themselves right away for a new plane

[reef isle]

Eh... Maybe? I'm not sure if for flight sims the Christmas impulse buying is that strong, but I have no idea tbh

I still think that when it's out it's going to be huge, immense

On par with the A380 IMO

[rustic charm]

Well everyone wants to get a little treat for themselves. That impulse wouldn’t put it at the biggest release spot just by itself, but the A350 is really big on its own, and it’d just further extend that a bit

[reef isle]

Fair enough

Judging by the amount of people that ask about the A350 every single minute on the ini server I have a feeling it's still going to be absolutely enormous

It's definitely going to warrant another break from all major airports on VATSIM

[rustic charm]

Oh I’m sure

[wide zenith]

inibuilds marketing and reach is also like none other in the flight sim community currently

[reef isle]

Even though I don't really like their products 🙃

I think they're very overrated

[hollow oracle]

that reminds me, is the ini a321 broken like the a320?

[reef isle]

Depends what you mean?

Still has the weird flight model and FBW

[rustic charm]

I don’t know if I’m totally interested in that plane myself, but there is a part of me that wants it. And that’s saying something, considering it’s a very modern plane, and it’s an Airbus. But I could see myself getting it just for the sake of Aeroflot long hauls, sending it to the Russian far east would be wonderful (if only airports there were better)

[reef isle]

That's interesting

I couldn't care less 😆

[rustic charm]

As for ini being overrated I’ll totally agree though

[reef isle]

Only modem "Airbus" plane I want is the A220

[rustic charm]

Well that’s not much of an airbus is it xD

[reef isle]

That's why I like it

[wide zenith]

most of which are performance hogs, and i've had more problems with their a300 than any aircraft in the sim

[rustic charm]

Tbf an A220 would be quite nice

[wide zenith]

also yeah a220 regional ops yippee

[reef isle]

Synaptic is making one. They should have a big update in January (but they already delayed it by half a year, so take that for what it is)

[rustic charm]

Bought their EGLL and OMDB a couple days ago. Literally the day after that I learned that they are redoing both of those and the ‘updates’ will be separate and payware

[wide zenith]

Oh yeah that whole enhanced premium shit is all money grabbing

[rustic charm]

And I was wondering why Heathrow was on such a big sale on the marketplace (60% off)

[wide zenith]

considering they get contracts out the wazoo from asobo and generally have more money than most devs

[rustic charm]

Tbh haven’t heard of them

[reef isle]

It started as a freeware open source product, then became ""sponsored(?)"" by Inibuilds and now is going to be payware and published by ini

[rustic charm]

Also as for making something and indefinitely delaying… can we just remember that Blackbird 737-200 exists

[reef isle]

Although they said that ini will only help with small things, most importantly of all flight model and FBW will be done by themselves (not ini)

[reef isle]

Ah yes, glad I have Xplane 11

[rustic charm]

At least I have the 727… shame FSS aren’t planning to do -100s though

[wide zenith]

I'll continue buying from contrail, orbx and on release from devs website so they all get the funding because even if my contribution may be little i'd hate to see ini monopolise

[rustic charm]

I’ll probably continue to shamefully use the marketplace xD

[reef isle]

Yeah that's actually a valid concern in the mid/long term, they've already established themselves as the biggest flight sim Dev by far

[rustic charm]

But I’d genuinely hate to see ini become some monopoly, imo they have quite enough by now to not be that greedy

Plus I also love JF & JT. If I can buy something from their shops without much of a loss, I’ll do it

(I’m literally right now collecting the reward points in order to buy Derwent Valley fully for free )

[wide zenith]

The F70/100 is something i'm looking forward to as i'm a magenta line pilot

[reef isle]

I've seriously thought about buying the RJ just to support them

I bet they sold a tiny amount of copies

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah, tbh I’m quite interested in the RJ overall but I’d be glad to just support them as well

[rustic charm]

Magenta line?

[reef isle]

Oh you don't know?

[rustic charm]

I think I don’t

[reef isle]

"Magenta line" is usually an (sort of, almost) derogatory term to describe LNAV and Navigation Display combo

[wide zenith]

Yeah

[reef isle]

https://youtu.be/5ESJH1NLMLs?si=kSTWUouFGhJDNshy

@rustic charm absolutely mandatory watch

[rustic charm]

I’m looking forward to the F70/100 for Montenegro Airlines flights to Tivat (yes, they had 1 F100)

[rustic charm]

Ooh, that makes sense now

[reef isle]

In that case is used as a term to describe 'automatiom" in general

[rustic charm]

I’ll give it a watch then. I have more than enough time right now, 6 hours into my 11-hour connection right now and I’m going crazy sitting here in Cairo xD

Really what I’m very interested in though is the A300B4

It’s gonna be just wonderful

And it’s gonna have sooo much use too

Everyone had those

[reef isle]

My personal optimistic timeline at the moment if F70/100 Q1 2024 and A300 late Q2/early Q3

[rustic charm]

Well, Q1 2024 is definitely optimistic xD

[reef isle]

I know 😭

[rustic charm]

But yeah, I wouldn’t be too surprised to see F70/100 before April. And for the 300, I reckon next autumn.

[reef isle]

Uh internesting

I was hoping for a summer release

But yeah, we'll have to wait an see

BlueBird 75 shouldn't be far away either

[rustic charm]

Well I’d hope, but I’d give them bit more time for it. But I’m not totally sure what the status of the A3B is so it could be ready for summer too

[reef isle]

Yeah we don't really know

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah, that one looks wonderful. Gonna be quite fun to fly, hopefully a spring/summer release

[reef isle]

I reckon even earlier 👀

[rustic charm]

PMDG are doing the 747s too. And seemingly now they plan to do every single one. Now as much as I love the 747, I might actually wait on the classics and see what JFs plans are. Because if JF plan to do the classics in full too (my ‘in full’ is 100/200/300/SP) then I’ll wait until they release. If JF will limit themselves on which variants to make, then I’ll have to think of it much more. As much as I much prefer JF as a dev, and as much as I think they will do it better, I am just not sure that I’ll settle for absence of one of those. And owning a mixed fleet of PMDG and JF is not something I want.

[rustic charm]

You know that would be lovely

[rustic charm]

The first pin of the channel

[hollow oracle]

this was on startup with parking brake on for some reason

i really love the callsigns of regional airlines

envoy, brickyard, air shuttle

it turns out that theres some weird flight plan bullshit with the ejets too

if you load a default MSFS flight plan, it loads the waypoints from that over simbrief

if you dont choose a MSFS flight plan, then you can load simbrief

i always do both as a sort of redundancy, but it seems like you cant do that with the ejets, its either one or the other, which might explain some issues ive been having with flight planning

[hollow oracle]

despite it all, i still fly it

which says something, i guess

[rustic charm]

I kinda feel I gotta buy the E jets, obviously they have issues but tbh looks like it’s stuff that wouldn’t bother me too much

[hollow oracle]

like i said, you have to stay on the marked path, otherwise your going to encounter fatal issues

https://docs.flightsim-studio.com/e-jet-series/normal-procedures/procedure-guide

[rustic charm]

Flying hops between Tivat and Podgorica with Air Montenegro could be quite fun

[hollow oracle]

i wish i had that when i was learning, that tutorial series didnt help me much at all

it definitely is a fun aircraft atleast, you can do like short 1 hour hops pretty easily

yesterday i did two, so you can really crush flights in it

pretty much any domestic US flight you can think of has a route with the e-jets

just remember to close the cockpit door before you start the batteries, otherwise your flying with it open because it wont close

[rustic charm]

Well not in Alaska, tbf quite a fair bit of those are 737-exclusive

[hollow oracle]

i think alaskan does use them on the KSEA-PANC flights, but thats about it, they mostly use them for flights out of seattle

there's a flight from KSEA-KPAE, its 30 mins by air but only like 15 mins by car

[rustic charm]

Alaska themselves don’t actually operate those I’m pretty sure. Horizon operates those on behalf of Alaska

[hollow oracle]

yeah, the world of regional airlines is extremely strange

[rustic charm]

Yeah

[hollow oracle]

i think its republic or envoy that operates regional flights for american, united and delta

3 airlines under 1 callsign

[rustic charm]

The flight from Wrangell to Petersburg can be 15 minutes flight time on a good day. By car it takes infinity, because there is no road connection

Ahh the joys of Alaska

[hollow oracle]

seattle to paine are both in the middle of downtown seattle though, so you could quite literally uber quicker

[rustic charm]

Well I have no idea why you’d fly Seattle to Paine

[hollow oracle]

but you can, for some reason

[rustic charm]

What next, commercial flights from Renton to Boeing Field

Or better, can I have a ticket from JFK to LaGuardia please

[hollow oracle]

i guess something like that could be extremely handy as a connecting flight, if you have a flight into seattle but leaves paine, you dont have to leave one airport, go through security again, etc etc, and most airlines make that connection pretty seamless when it comes to booking tickets

[rustic charm]

True, but really, who the hell flies to Paine

I actually don’t know cause I haven’t looked into it at all

[uneven fern]

Oh whoops, not sure how I pinned that lol

[hollow oracle]

fucking seriously

volanta says its a -138fpm landing though, 0.93gs

[uneven fern]

You’d be surprised, anyone who lives in the northern part of the city will choose that over sea tac any day,

With the amount of traffic on the roads, getting to sea tac from the north is a nightmare

Although Alaska does have some main line flights out of Everette

[hollow oracle]

you can tell where i realized the bump was indeed not terrain LOD, and i tried to float it to atleast try to land it okay

[uneven fern]

Driving wise, it can sometimes take 2 hours to drive between Seattle and Paine field

[reef isle]

If only there was some kind of way to quickly go from one place of the city to another in a way that used space more efficiently than cars, and maybe even generate less pollution and use less energy per person

I'm sure if such technology existed the US would be on top of it considering they're always at the bleeding edge of technology

[uneven fern]

They are building the light rail to go further north to Everett (currently it ends just south of there at Lynwood). But even that can be slow

Problem is $$$ and lack of space since the entire region is land locked in

[reef isle]

Aaah yeah I remember watching a thing about Seattle's public transport some time ago

But yeah, LRTs definitely have their shortcomings

[uneven fern]

Sounder is good and fast but they use BNSF tracks and freight has the priority

So the north end kinda gets a raw deal for it

[reef isle]

Sad to hear

Similar story to many other cities in NA unfortunately

[uneven fern]

Yeah 😦

I’ve taken it a few times as it’s faster than driving or taking an express bus

[uneven fern]

Big issue with the light rail is it’s only really a dual tracks from north to south and a few cross overs. Meaning, they can’t run express trains and if a train malfunctions the entire system gets bogged down as there’s no other track to re route trains

Which happens often

[reef isle]

eugh, OK

[uneven fern]

If anyone wants the AIG models for 2024. You can download them here all in one pack

https://github.com/Samueleonard/AIG-ModelMatching-For-MSFS2024

(Use the google drive link)

[hollow oracle]

75GB

[uneven fern]

I have it installed to another drive and linked to my community folder

[hollow oracle]

ster allernce

[rustic charm]

Waiting for a flight with star right now

[rustic charm]

To be honest with traffic it’s fully understandable

Quite a lot of US cities need a bunch of optimisation

[hollow oracle]

landing in sunny, tropical toronto

[uneven fern]

Is that the crj or e jet?

[hollow oracle]

FSS E175

[uneven fern]

Sounds like it will be coming to flight sim 2024 soon

The crj probably never will

[hollow oracle]

https://www.justflight.com/product/flightsim-studio-e-jets-170-175-msfs

$40 is probably the upper limit of what i would pay for them tbh

[uneven fern]

Yep, I own it

Not a bad plane to fly, just can’t at the moment until the release a 2024 version

[shadow burrow]

Seems like a Airliner Jeju Air 737-8AS has crashed while landing in South Korea atleast 28 dead from the 175 passengers and 6 crew members cause seems to possibly be due to gear malfunction after bird strike

[lethal jasper]

There's already a wiki 😓 Jeju Air 2216

[trim harbor]

Fuck

Brutal

[dusty sky]

Oh my days this is the worst way to end the year off

[rustic charm]

Yeah, fuck, it’s not even been a week

How do we get 3 fatal plane crashes in the span of just over a month

[dusty sky]

There's something kinda sus about this...

[untold finch]

This last one seems to be a genuine accident, they got it down on to the runway, just couldn't stop in time

Not like the Azerbaijan one which is definitely foul play

[reef isle]

That's definitely going to be an interesting one, it's rare that a plane can't lower their gear, considering they also have the alternate gravity extension @shadow burrow

[untold finch]

Could be another PIA8303 tbh - even airline pilots sometimes forget to lower the gear

[reef isle]

I mean, yes, but unless they had another million alarms with higher priority (like the PIA), then surely they'd hear the landing gear chime

It didn't seem a wildly unstable approach

[untold finch]

True

[reef isle]

BUT to be fair the runway didn't seem to be specially prepared for it (unlike the famous LOT B767 incident), so I wonder if the crew and the airport was aware

That's going to be an interesting case to investigate

Oh, someone pointed out it was also flaps up, wtf?

Huge hydraulic problem?

But IIRC the flaps have an alternate electric extension

This is very strange

[rustic charm]

Yeah, after all, both flaps and gear have alternative extension methods

Which makes it very interesting

[shadow burrow]

Depends

Gravity extension still relies on mechanical linkages that can be damaged by a bird strike

Anyway I’m stuck in Katowice!!!!!!

Waiting for a single bus to take all the passengers on this flight over to krakow then all the passengers from krakow over to Katowice

If we don’t take off by 4pm local time we are out of hours

[reef isle]

SimRail moment?

[reef isle]

oof

[rustic charm]

Today’s some cursed day, a KLM 737 also suffered a hydraulic failure

Made an emergency landing at Oslo and veered off the runway, though thankfully no injuries

[reef isle]

Eek

What's going on 😭

[rustic charm]

Also an Air Canada turboprop caught fire and went off the runway upon landing in Halifax too, also no injuries thankfully

All of that in the span of some half a day

[trim harbor]

Katowic ew

*w

[shadow burrow]

Seems like everyone died except 2

[shadow burrow]

Ok been here like 6h now

Gonna probably do a positioning flight back to Belfast without passengers

But we aren’t sure yet we still might be sleeping here

55 min until we are out of hours

[desert beacon]

jesus christ

[desert beacon]

by the sounds of it that might be a suspect, according to BBC, Approach delayed their landing for an bird strike warning

[shadow burrow]

GUESS WHO IS STILL IN FUCKING POLAND!!!!!!

ME

20h shift

[trim harbor]

pure shit performacnce the a300 has

jfc

[trim harbor]

please tell me u get good OTP

[shadow burrow]

Nope

[trim harbor]

oof

so why did u

divert to katowice

[shadow burrow]

The flight that is sending the crew that’s replacing us is probably going to be 1h+ late

[trim harbor]

n why no outbound anymore

[shadow burrow]

Weather

So we were supposed to go to krakow

[trim harbor]

u dont have to work on the dead head right

[shadow burrow]

Its duty travel so no

[trim harbor]

thank god bruh

[shadow burrow]

Then we diverted and were sat for 7h on the ground with no pax onboard waiting for the buses to ferry passengers from krakow

[trim harbor]

im sorry for you having a 20 hour shift without good OTP

ibr

[shadow burrow]

1h30 min they said

They are still sending buses

[trim harbor]

lawmaker would whip my ass if i was gonna do more than 8 hours

[shadow burrow]

Then we were supposed to fly empty back to Belfast

Then overnight here

Then they told us no and we are going back today or we pay for the hotel

[trim harbor]

so r u going back on a empty deadhead or reg pax?

[shadow burrow]

Reg pax

On a full aircraft

[trim harbor]

christ am i sorry

whats ur duty tomorrow like

[shadow burrow]

They took 6h to respond

[shadow burrow]

It’s a day off

So it’s a wasted day off that I’ll never get back

[trim harbor]

god bless

well atleast you're not on duty

[shadow burrow]

We have a fantastic 16h minimum rest tonight with easa regulations

Just check the krakow arrival board from earlier

Diversion, diversion, diversion, diversion

[trim harbor]

wait

isnt ur base luton

or r u still stuck at belfast for training

?

[shadow burrow]

Belfast

I’m Stansted usually

I’m in Belfast for a temporary transfer over Christmas

[trim harbor]

@shadow burrow

r u gonna fly out of of katowice

[shadow burrow]

Not anymore

One of the crew that was supposed to operate our flight fainted and is completely fucked

Need 4 people to operate with full pax and with 3 you can only do 150 pax

We can’t operate because we are out of hours

So we are trying to get a hotel sorted for a second time

This time without the pilots

[trim harbor]

w8

what abt them

where they goin

[shadow burrow]

To the hospital 😂😂😂

Or the pilots?

They are always operating when flying on dead head travel so they can jumpseat

We can’t because when we are dead head we are passengers on a standby

[trim harbor]

pilots

so

u have a hotel for the night

tomorrows ur day off

that is so fucking terrible

please tell me u get the time u travel back home in one way or another

[trim harbor]

man do i feel sorry for you

like actually

i feel like ryanair is doing a major fuck up with this as well

💀

this seems like actual incompetence

[shadow burrow]

So they have dealt with this system today in a way that if one thing fucks up then everything just goes to shit

[trim harbor]

Heartbreaking to see

Two crashes next to each other

[hollow oracle]

the christmas & new years rush + transportation has deadly consequences, not only in aviation

[shadow burrow]

Great

We have the smallest aircraft in the fucking fleet taking us back home

Jesus weapt

[trim harbor]

jfc

thats bad luck after bad luck

[shadow burrow]

I think it’s full as well 😂😂😂😂😂

God help me

[trim harbor]

so what do they do

do they boot reg pax off?

[shadow burrow]

No

It will have to be jumpsteats

But idk

Depends on if there are pilots

We good to go

[trim harbor]

batc hong kong sequence on 10x traffic is mad

i see 6 planes ahead of me

theres literally no room

they're threading the needle

giving multiple cleared to land

ohboy

[uneven fern]

lots of traffic this morning

[rustic charm]

Honestly I’m yet to try full BATC traffic, I’m usually on 5

[trim harbor]

its fun

[trim harbor]

i didnt even know there was a map for batc

TIL

[rustic charm]

But I’m scared to try full because even on 5 I could barely find a moment to get IFR and taxi clearance in Miami, Boston and Heathrow. The only airport I’ve tried where I had no issue of the frequency being completely packed was Juneau

[uneven fern]

it can come in handy trouble shooting issues with models since it shows you which model it's using

[trim harbor]

u just gotta speak over them

[trim harbor]

batc struggles with player and ai though

it gives the player priority

i dislike that

heavily

[rustic charm]

It’s annoying cause it starts that beep that happens when the frequency is used by multiple people

[uneven fern]

it treats AI, the player as the same

the program doesn't know the difference between you and AI

[trim harbor]

for me i've gotten priority most of the time for some reason

atleast it feels liek it

[rustic charm]

Does it? They actually made a whole point of “The software does not know which plane is the player so you will receive the same treatment as AI”

[trim harbor]

i've never been told second in line whatsoever, i've been given straight TO and LDG clearences all the time

[uneven fern]

Now, what it does do is it will prioritize calls.

for example.. waiting to cross a runway will be higher vs a pushback call

[rustic charm]

And I can definitely say I’ve not been getting any priority

[uneven fern]

Traffic Map: https://www.beyondatc.net/_files/archives/95003b_fa44debbd20a4d62a30b7d5c71e2c5d2.zip?dn=BeyondATC Traffic Map Setup 1.0.1.zip

[rustic charm]

I’ve not actually ever heard it tell AI about position in line either

[trim harbor]

oh

thank uuu

do i need the sim running

[uneven fern]

well, you'll need BeyondATC running since it's just pulling data from that

so yes the sim should be running

Just got my arrival info

[trim harbor]

i cannot wait for the new LLM

[uneven fern]

Same.

[rustic charm]

Oh yes it’s gonna be fantastic

[uneven fern]

Program keeps getting better all the time

[rustic charm]

Yeah

[trim harbor]

i hope it'll replace the need to buy

characters

but i doubt

[uneven fern]

I purchased the supporters pack awhile ago just to help support them.

[rustic charm]

I mean, traffic too was such a huge update

[uneven fern]

Game Changer ^

[rustic charm]

Absolutely

Also what I quite like is that somehow the issue with it working in Russia was sorted

[uneven fern]

nice

The devs are quite good at fixing bugs, issues etc

I've had some issues that were patched

[trim harbor]

i just have one bug since the newest update, BATC is stuck on 'generating voices' for quite some time

e.g it not working at all anymore

[rustic charm]

I bought BATC end of summer I think and quickly found out it actually just won’t function in Russia at all, you need a VPN. And you know, running MSFS with a VPN… that even sounds scary. Yet somewhere around a month or so ago, maybe a bit more, I just randomly tried loading it and it worked with no issues at all

[uneven fern]

Anyone own a 3rd party for Vancouver, BC? (CYVR )?

[trim harbor]

been reported before so i don't wanna re-report it

[rustic charm]

Nope. I gotta get more Canadian airports tbh. But there aren’t really any sceneries for those I’m interested in

[uneven fern]

I get that at times, work around I found i just switch to another frequency

[uneven fern]

Gotcha, there is two 3rd parties available for it.. just debating on which one to get

[rustic charm]

Right now debating whether to buy some African airports. Addis Ababa seemed quite cool to fly into 2 days ago irl, so I think it might be quite cool from the captain’s seat too

[trim harbor]

dakar

p big cargo hub

[rustic charm]

Which devs are those? I don’t know too much but maybe I know some

[uneven fern]

FSimStudios and FS Dream Team

[full plank]

I own the FSDreamTeam YVR scenery

[uneven fern]

FS Dream Team says it will work with 2024, and I own a few other products from them

so I'l most likely go with them plus it's cheaper

[uneven fern]

Do you like it? I own their KCLT, Houston, KORD

and haven't had any issues

[rustic charm]

Well I’ve heard both of them are rather nice, so not totally sure which one would be better

[untold finch]

https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-12-30/national/socialAffairs/Second-Jeju-Air-plane-experiences-landing-gear-malfunction-same-Boeing-model-involved/2211567

[rustic charm]

Unbelievable

[uneven fern]

I read that this morning 😦

[untold finch]

maintenance issue maybe?

[uneven fern]

could be

[rustic charm]

I don’t see what else could cause that…

[reef isle]

I think I'm more curious about the flaps up landing rather than the gear, for the accident aircraft

[uneven fern]

same

[rustic charm]

NGs were never really known for such issues, they weren’t known for any issues overall tbh

[reef isle]

Gear stuck up would be a lot easier to explain than flaps up

[uneven fern]

I'll be curirous to see what the data recorders say

[reef isle]

Yep

[rustic charm]

Oh yes, absolutely

I’m very curious to see the results of the investigation

[uneven fern]

I hate speculating but my theory is they probably panicked, didn't have much time to run through the checklists

but that's speculation.. we won't know till we have the data

[reef isle]

I think the only thing that would really prevent slats and flaps from extending would be an asymmetric extension, because otherwise they are powered both hydraulically and electrically IIRC

[rustic charm]

That’s quite possible, when something goes wrong, you can get overwhelmed quite quickly

[reef isle]

Yeah, I'm also suspecting that the human factor played a role, but we'll have to wait and see

[uneven fern]

yep

In one of the videos you can see the captain has his arms extended to the front windshield as it's on the runway

sad situation overall though 😦

[rustic charm]

The time we live in overall seems to be sad, that’s 3 deadly plane crashes in just over a month

[uneven fern]

yeah

I'm about ready to land in Boston

[rustic charm]

Nice

[shadow burrow]

You better butter it

[uneven fern]

weather is kind of crappy

[shadow burrow]

Landed yet?

[full plank]

sorry only just seen, yea I quite like it.. looks nice & runs fine + no having to faff around with finding a GSX profile for it

I own their IAH, ORD & CLT sceneries aswell & they are lovely

[uneven fern]

Hello from Vancouver, BC

[hollow oracle]

Peanut one livery wen

[rustic charm]

Wanted to go for a quick flight but the wifi here is just so awful that it didn't even manage to load MSFS to the menu, it was just stuck checking for updates xD

[hollow oracle]

the worst part of wanting to fly in bad weather, is that if your flying from your home airport, chances are you power is going to go out

we had winds of 32kts (and higher) gusting here in pittsburgh, and i was like "i want to do a flight taking off in that wind", and then our power promptly went out for 14 hours

[rustic charm]

Actually I've never experienced power outages in Moscow

Really not a single time in the city. In the countryside, a couple times long ago

Living in Montenegro though... literally during every single thunder

[hollow oracle]

if your power wires are buried (most of europe), you will almost never ever experience outages during weather, but if theyre hanging like in the US, good luck, a slight gust will arc wires and its out

[rustic charm]

This summer when I was flying out of Tivat over to Baku (from where a couple days later home to Moscow) the power literally got cut off the airport. The area covered by the thunder also blocked the normal departure path, so almost every flight got delayed on the ground for the time. The only ones taking off were the local pilots for Air Montenegro, cause seemingly they knew how to take off in the other direction (into the valley rather than over the bay) while the others didn't wanna do that

[reef isle]

Oh it was a 727

Interesting

[shadow burrow]

I can't speak for jeju air but we have procedures after a severe bird strike to minimise risk to passengers you perform a flaps up landing in some cases

if something hasn't been detected as an issue with the flaps system after a bird strike then there still could be an issue

some might not deploy or might deploy halfway and if they are damaged then you may not be able to retract them

so you would be stuck with some flaps down some up and in different positions

[rustic charm]

Tbh it makes absolute sense. The less things you move, the less likely they are to cause issues

[shadow burrow]

I would suspect in the other aircraft its just bad luck and coincidence, Jeju as far as I've seen haven't gotten any new maintenance procedures and there is no reason to suspect that it is actually a fault on there behalf

its a completely different issue

things break on planes all the time

i think a lot of people forget that they are really complex and most aircraft even new ones will have a few inop stickers around on hydraulic pumps, fuel feed lines, lights, circuit breakers

every airline, even ones that fly through the night have timed periods where aircraft are sat on the ground for between 4-6h so any maintenance can be performed

[dusty sky]

How the hell is spirit back...

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-rock-bottom-stone-cold-steve-austin-survivor-series-wwe-gif-15111202

the pax in the back:

[uneven fern]

So true

[hollow oracle]

broken guitar simulator

[shadow burrow]

Fun fact there is a Sprit livery included in the A320 from ini in FS24

[rustic charm]

Isn’t there a Spirit livery on the ini 320 in 2020 too

[dusty sky]

Yeah

[uneven fern]

I do love that GSX finally added wing walkers

[trim harbor]

Oh yo since when

[uneven fern]

Few days now, was in their last update

[rustic charm]

Stop making me want GSX more I’ve spent enough money 😭

[lethal jasper]

They're kinda hit n miss

Lacking in complex pushback moves

[uneven fern]

It really depends on the profiles you use

[lethal jasper]

Maybe? They tend to walk offset with one ahead and one trailing of the plane if you do two 90 deg turns

[hollow oracle]

Honestly, I bought GSX for automatic pushback, and I haven’t been disappointed so far

It’s nice to just click a button and have your plane push back

[uneven fern]

And with the fenix it’s even easier

[hollow oracle]

ehh, easier is subjective

[rustic charm]

Happy new year folks. Anyone met it in the cockpit? :p

[reef isle]

Happy new year 😄

[dusty sky]

Happy new year, my head hurts

[uneven fern]

Happy New Year!

[reef isle]

random freestyle aerobatics to check out the updated Su30 flight model 😄

[dusty sky]

The amount of times it looked like you were gonna pull a cobra or a kvochur bell is actually a little annoying ngl, besides that great video

[reef isle]

that's why it's random freestyle and not a proper display, but thanks 😄

[dusty sky]

Plus it's my favourite SU-30 livery 🙂

[trail monolith]

Seems like there has been a plane crash in California today

[dusty sky]

Again?

This down hill spiral is just getting steeper

[untold finch]

this one was a Van's RV10

so not a commercial aircraft, just a small 4-seater

unfortunately civil aviation is much more accident prone than commercial aviation

[dusty sky]

Yeah, more rookies

[dusty sky]

Are there any requirements for the su-30 mod?

su-33, shouldn't be surprising

[reef isle]

Yeah, I think Su-33 only

https://discordbotlist.com/servers/codename-flanker-community-839196573228335185

Here you can find their server

ready to do some RSBN navigation on Xplane 👀

[dusty sky]

You need the su-25t for it as well but it's part of the base game

So theoretically I can still fly it

[trail monolith]

Within Temptation Respect

[dusty sky]

the main problem I have with dcs currently is the space

[hollow oracle]

is rex atmos worth it or not?

[hollow oracle]

weather force looks cool too

[hollow oracle]

i think this year im going to learn boeing aircraft as well as i know airbus

[dusty sky]

I have installed the su-30 mod, pretty nice so far 😄

Haven't done a single mission in it because I'm too scared to

[untold finch]

Nice, love the standard Southwest livery. I hope the airline itself survives.

[rustic charm]

The best SWA livery is the classic SWA livery

Although the PSA livery was even better

[trim harbor]

ook

[trim harbor]

best LH livery

[hollow oracle]

the ONE fucking gate that i pick at manchester 🥹

no jetways either

[dusty sky]

Ah yes, "gate"

That's a glorified ramp

[hollow oracle]

we need a ryanair standing room only cabin for the PMDG -800 ngl

[hollow oracle]

most sunny british day

im going to attempt an RNAV landing into cork

[hollow oracle]

well that was fun, i had almost a legitimate aviation accident

minimums are there for a reason

i think im going to set up for another shot at a runway with ILS

first go-around in a boeing as well

i think im going to setup for an ILS approach, if that fails, im going to divert

turbulence is quite bad in just the hold right now, so that might be another bad omen

its like a wall of clouds directly over the airport

the weather went "fuck cork airport specifically"

[hollow oracle]

i really should have heard minimums and immediately done a goaround, but i hesitated because i wanted to see how accurate it was (it was not at all)

[wide zenith]

if this happens I front flip twice out of a window

[olive stump]

well everyone im -£120 in and still yet to get a plane to take off LOL

[hollow oracle]

ive done like 2-3 flights in it just fine

VNAV is a feature you can fly without, you know

[hollow oracle]

yep, localizer just would not lock on whatsoever, and i ended up having to do another go around because winds blew me off course just hand flying it

so to dublin we go

[wide zenith]

i shrimply could never

[wide zenith]

what you trying to fly

[olive stump]

Fenix A320

[wide zenith]

Ahhh

is it the gooby mcdu

good choice though, airbus on top fr

[olive stump]

made the most sense since I have the airbus controls lol

[wide zenith]

I assume the TCA TM stuff, you can sooooortaaa fly boeing with it, with a bit of fiddling and compromise with the notches

but the modern airbus stuff is a good place to start, if you have any questions

[olive stump]

well rn I can no longer get in my damn plane after installing gsx lol

time to restart and prey

[wide zenith]

already memed by gsx

when it works its great but when it doesnt

[olive stump]

yeah thats the one

we are finally back in the plane wooo!

[nimble sphinx]

Hey I was having issues with GSX too lmao

-# now it's working

[nimble sphinx]

Also SAME

[wide zenith]

Yipppeeeee

also same gsx memed me the other day the twat of a apron worker decided to not remove my bypass pin from the nose wheel so I had no tiller control while taxiing

i have also had de ice equipment go right through my wings so thats cool too

[olive stump]

people took their time boarding lol

[olive stump]

made it all the way to the runway and can't take off lol

[hollow oracle]

why

[olive stump]

no idea, everythings set, engage throttles and plane doesnt move

[wide zenith]

Couple things to try from top of my head is
go into settings and make sure all of your assists are off, you don’t need them if you have the tca pack and you’re better off learning to fly without them

go into your bindings and make sure nothing is double binded and have a button for brakes that is easily accessible (personally use the trigger button on the joystick for this)

also ensure theres no braking axis that is reversed
also obvs one is parking brake off

[olive stump]

think i might of sorted it, seemed like an issue with the axis despite removing the braking mapping, will give another go tomorrow and see if i have luck from gate to takeoff, just ran a quick test spawning on the runway and taking off and all was fine

[rustic charm]

Jem I think we can no longer be friends

Nobody, I mean nobody!!! questions the superiority of Boeing 727

Although I will say Airbus is nice, I so can’t wait for JF’s 300B4

Gonna fly Iran Air 😎

Which reminds me, I want an A340 to fly Mahan

[trim harbor]

what th hell happend there

making the fenix work with honeycomb is a chore

jesus

[trim harbor]

terrible weather

cruising at 190 moment

[shadow burrow]

Need to rant here, so they have split the crew today. It’s supposed to be 4 sectors. BFS-STN-BFS-FAO-BFS. I can’t do that because I would be out of hours for the Stansted, so I’m doing the faro only. One of the other crew can only do the Stansted because they are working tomorrow and have a max 10 min delay or they are out of hours.

Crew planning in their almighty wisdom have decided that me and him will swap places at Belfast later today. Stansted is currently fucked. All the trucks have run out of deicing fluid and there are currently aircraft that have been stranded on the ground since 7am waiting for it. Arrivals aren’t getting very far before they have to wait at remotes for de-icing. So essentially what’s gonna happen is this guy is gonna go out of hours for tomorrow, the rest of the crew is gonna go out of hours in faro and I’m gonna be stuck on an aircraft with 186 passengers, no flight crew, no other cabin crew all by myself in Portugal.

186 angry northern Irish people I want to add

[trim harbor]

whats the max time u can work

also

them running out of deice fluid

must be the funniest shit ever

[shadow burrow]

Latest I can take off from faro is 1.35am

But the rest of the crew has way less time

I think there latest is 21.50pm

[shadow burrow]

3 of them have broken down

As well

Just the cherry on top

[trim harbor]

lmfao this cannot be real

[trim harbor]

cant they just send a replacement crew over theoretically said

[shadow burrow]

idk

they aren't responding to me

[trim harbor]

bruh

[shadow burrow]

they said worst comes to worst you operate with fao crew back to belfast

so fuck knows

this airline is built off a shoestring

[trim harbor]

i didnt know it was THAT bad

goddamn

[shadow burrow]

its too many single or double points of failure

especially when we have 19 out of 28 crew members available for DAC in Belfast

you need 28 for one aircraft

we have 19

excluding flight crew

[reef isle]

love it when Volanta finds these pitctures

I have a couple of funny ones

because it just picks the most recent picture it finds on Planespotters

[wide zenith]

BATC had a bit of trouble with SFO

I was cleared 01r while aircraft was landing on 28R

[wide zenith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhR6SmzdpPw

PAPIs and GS were totally out of wack

[wide zenith]

actually razzled, the two heavies got stopped by the avianca pushing back and the SWA just wizzes past them

BATC can be funny

now the SWA is entering the apron????

[rustic charm]

“Uhh it’s half disassembled but I think it’s gonna fly fine”

[rustic charm]

BATC ground traffic in my experience is still bit buggy from my experience

I remember flying out of Boston, I’m a BA triple

Now first thing I wanna say is that on IFR clearance I got cleared for a departure from 33L, then I pushed back, asked for taxi clearance and it told me to go to 22R

Not only was I annoyed cause I had to quickly change the path and then re-input the takeoff speeds, but that runway is also over 2k ft shorter

I then taxied, it told me to hold short of 33L which was empty, and once I did get clearance to cross, it quickly asked me to hold position for traffic. I waited a bit to see if the traffic exists, and it ended up being a little E jet to the right of me whose path I was blocking. I had to just ignore the instruction and taxi further cause otherwise I wouldn’t move at all, since the embraer couldn’t move because of me

[wide zenith]

Christ 😭 Its can really put you into some odd situations. the good thing I suppose is that it acts like a layer on the sim and you can easily alt f4 and manually vector if needed

Still really impressive, really enjoyed the USA ops with it today. I have mixed experience when it comes to using it in europe as the terminology is a bit wobbly

and its also a bit on the rails sometimes, struggles with deviation if needed. hopefully the LLM can help with that

[rustic charm]

Haven’t flown with it too much tbf, but it adds a fair bit. I, however, don’t really like flying medium and long haul with it. I usually turn it off in cruise. Short hauls, something that’s 4 hours or less, is absolutely fine

[trim harbor]

zip air

bleurgh

[reef isle]

Yesterday I did my first flight using the Tu-154's NVU and RSBN "correction"

[hollow oracle]

Two go arounds on two different approaches and a diversion

Diverted safely at Dublin, but I ended up deleting the flight from Volanta, more of a learning experience than anything tbh

Those were my first two times ever doing a go around in a Boeing though, and my first time ever doing a diversion

[nimble sphinx]

Come to think of it I don't think I've done a go around in the Airbus yet

[hollow oracle]

ive had to do it once at KLAS in the neo

[hollow oracle]

why does this always happen every time i try to do a flight

taxi2gate KMCO, im going to try removing it and use the default asobo, but apparently that doesnt fix it

[dusty sky]

Were you flying in xplane or something?

[reef isle]

Yes

Tu-154b2 in Xplane11

[nimble sphinx]

That's funny as I was literally just there and mine was fine

[wide zenith]

https://x.com/flyhellas/status/1875801555804549206?s=46&t=26Qe9lTj1oIQdCvUrw3I3w

@Jonathan Winton (@flyhellas) on X

A very good morning from Manchester Airport. Flying onboard the last ever passenger Jet2 Boeing 757 in the UK, G-LSAI #LS811 heading to Geneva.
It's a packed flight full of enthusiasts. We are now delayed as the airport is snow closed until 0900 😁✈️❄️

Twitter · Jan 5, 2025, 7:08 AM

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-gif-18148683

[lethal jasper]

Delete the asobo in marketplace

[hollow oracle]

already tried, still twy mountains

im going to try just asobo and no taxi2gate

[olive stump]

Left a rainy Manchester behind, currently passing over Birmingham on my way to Munich!

[rustic charm]

I’m certain that I’ve never done a goaround in an airbus yet

I’ve not done a flight in one yet but that’s not the point xD

[rustic charm]

Btw you can turn off the navaids in the accessibility settings, just so those markers don’t appear on screenshots

[trim harbor]

approaching sfo

[hollow oracle]

A380, I cri

My PC is still incapable of flying it

[trim harbor]

-334fpm

not the best

[lethal jasper]

iFly max8 stuck at 20 frames below 2000ft. weird

[trim harbor]

longyearben for the first time

[trail monolith]

I may have crashed into a building in tokyo just now lol

[nimble sphinx]

That's the only thing I haven't done yet: Longyearben in an Airbus, I've done it only in the Boeing

[reef isle]

does anyone know if there's any aircraft for Xplane or MSFS that has this RNAV system modelled correctly?

[echo gorge]

I think the closest is the black square planes in msfs

[reef isle]

Hah, you're right

BlackSquare has a KNS-80

Now I'm even more excited for the Starship

[echo gorge]

It doesn't work with the auto pilot, but it's very cool

[reef isle]

It's a big shame that black square hasn't really created any aircraft I'm interested in

they seem like an incredible team

[echo gorge]

I just want then to make a model 99 so bad

[reef isle]

I'm dying for the Starship

[uneven fern]

I swear, their must be something in the water at Zurich

[echo gorge]

That will be quite cool tbf, a bit too advanced for me lol

[rustic charm]

Flying the proper plane I see

[wide zenith]

This is only because i've been on a 73 binge since I got the max

I got the TCA airbus kit over christmas and i've flown more boeing than airbus with it lmao

[rustic charm]

Well I considered getting the TCA kit and I've not flown an airbus even a single time xD

[wide zenith]

Its not bad with boeing, once you get a feel for the power levels that correspond near the notches that are used for clb/flx it can kind of help a bit

[rustic charm]

I honestly gave up the idea of getting any hardware for now

The TCA pack is the only thing that would be within an adequate price range (even though still way overpriced) and I kinda want something more fitting, since for now I do not see myself flying anything sidestick (the 350 is the only one that will be of at least some interest, but I definitely won't prioritise it over other planes that should come out soon)

Problem is yokes are fucking expensive

Especially yokes that aren't GA

[wide zenith]

YEah the TCA boeing one can get to fuck at that price point

unless I become rich and famous

[rustic charm]

I think the thrustmaster dreamliner yoke is literally the cheapest I've seen

[wide zenith]

yup

supply and demand

[rustic charm]

There are some nicer 737 replicas that I would absolutely love, but holy shit the price

Cause throttles in reality aren't a problem to get. I've actually seen the honeycomb bravo for a normal price, and I could later get the custom levers stuff, which are also reasonably priced

[trim harbor]

$180

for the custom throttles

[rustic charm]

But all accurate 737 yokes I've seen are literally in excess of 1k, so like, yeah, the best I'll ever get is probably gonna be the thrustmaster one

[rustic charm]

Yeah, which is rather normal in my opinion considering I've just spent roughly that on virtual trains

[rustic charm]

I somehow just had a very weird thing happen in the 727, the airspeed gauges just didn't work

I was on the takeoff roll, already with quite some speed, yet the needles didn't move on either side

Update: in an awful decision to re-try the takeoff roll, I've rolled too far and had no space for an RTO. I am flying a 727 with no speed indications...

Never thought I would find myself in such a situation

[trim harbor]

thats a known glitch

im p su re

[rustic charm]

Weird, I've not had it on my last flight in the thing

Or on any other flight tbf

Guess I'll have to maintain speed based on trim wheels

[rustic charm]

Well the speed just came alive

I'm still diverting anyway

[rustic charm]

The diversion didn't go well

[shadow burrow]

lmao?

why is this image hosted on the Dagestan state medical university website

[trail monolith]

It's a russian website what do you expect ?

[hollow oracle]

what are these sliders on the airbus armrest for?

ah, theyre adjustment indicators for the armrests

so you can set it up exactly how you like it

[hollow oracle]

flight 1 of my trans-canadian trip is done, toronto to winnipeg

winnipeg to calgary or edmonton is next, and then to vancouver

fuck saskatchewan i guess

maybe ill go back and do winnipeg to saskatoon or something

[lethal jasper]

Terrace

[trail monolith]

Seems like Ryanair is suing a passenger for 15 000€ https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/lwbWVA/ryanair-stammer-storig-passagerare-pa-170-000?utm_source=iosapp&utm_medium=share

[hollow oracle]

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/08/travel/ryanair-disruptive-passenger-damages-intl-scli/index.html

English source

[hollow oracle]

the airline famous for having one of its aircraft repo'd

i really wish it was like car repossession, people sneak in at night and fly the aircraft away

[nimble sphinx]

The Airplane repo show rings a bell

[trim harbor]

Cockpit casual

[rustic charm]

Wait what?

[echo gorge]

Yeah, it's quite funny

[uneven fern]

Not only did FSS release a tiny update for their ejets with no progress.. they decided to shut down their discord server as well

so, no support or anything like that from them

tl;dr FSS showed off some of their "work," it had been quite some time since any news had come out regarding their custom avinoics. The recent "news" or whatever you want to call it was them exploring the waypoint database on the FMS in an external environment, people have been clamouring for shit for over a year now. People got upset and rightfully so, they were mass banning people from their server, they've paused invites so no one can join and they got rid of their support channels and everything else

as a FSS customer I honestly feel ripped off - I know it was earlyaccess but still

[rustic charm]

Yeah, that’s not too great

The 727 channels stayed but are locked

[uneven fern]

I mean.. I get they are a small team. But people have been waiting on their custom FMS for over a year (which was promised several times that it would be out even over a year ago). and they show it only having one function that works.

sometimes it's best not to show or say anything

[rustic charm]

I honestly think that the way they handle the E jets is rather poor overall. Thought of buying them. Decided not to. I have absolutely no issues with the 727, so I’d say the team behind that one is doing quite well. But the E jets seem to have gotten a much worse deal. I understand that making modern planes is probably more complicated with all the electronics and logic… but at the same time the 727 recently got the GTN with no issues. And really, does a custom computer genuinely take years?

[uneven fern]

for example; here is their last product update for the e jets

[rustic charm]

Well tbf that’s a hotfix

Just a patch to address some tiny bugs from a previous update

[uneven fern]

which is their pattern

they release a small update which breaks everything, a month or two later they release another update that just fixes what they broke with no real progress

[rustic charm]

Yeah, not ideal at all

[uneven fern]

I get complex planes are hard but I echo what you said about how the e jets got a bad deal

you can tell that's not their priority

[rustic charm]

Yeah. And I honestly am not sure what even is their priority cause the teams behind the E jets and the 727 are totally separate from what I know (and it shows)

[uneven fern]

I just wish someone with experience would make a decent regional

which seems to be lacking in flight sim

[rustic charm]

Well I guess there’s the F70/100 coming but I understand it’s not the kind of regional you’re referring to

[uneven fern]

the CRJ's are pretty much dead and sounds like they have no plans bringing it over to MSFS 2024 anytime soon

[rustic charm]

We have CRJs?

[uneven fern]

The Aerosoft ones

[rustic charm]

Ah

Well

[uneven fern]

that's made by Hans

[rustic charm]

Are they any good overall

[uneven fern]

Aerosoft basiclly gave up on it a couple of years ago

It's not bad.. it's not great and it's missing some things that most Flight sim planes have now (like simbrief)

but issue there is they have been promising a big update for the past 3+ years now and nothing

which made me dislike Aerosoft

[rustic charm]

Sounds like Aerosoft tbh

[uneven fern]

yep

I mean, hell they are doing the same thing to their new Airbus that just recently came out

[rustic charm]

The 330 is terrible from what I’ve seen, and doesn’t look like it’s gonna be improved much

[uneven fern]

awful

[rustic charm]

If someone wants an A330, the only option really is FS24

[uneven fern]

I am sure that will be Aerosoft's last plane they develop

[rustic charm]

Probably. Tbh I’ve heard their airports are not too bad, so might be the best idea to just stick with that

[uneven fern]

yeah, their airports are decent I own a couple of them

but yeah, I think that's the first time I have ever seen an official discord server for a product completely melt down like that. People had every right to be pissed off and when they released that video it brought people to their boiling point

[rustic charm]

Really what’s fun is their routes in railworks are actually quite nice from what I’ve seen. Münster Bremen is one of the best German routes on steam. Freiburg Basel looks great, so does Koblenz Trier. But Aerosoft decided to leave all that behind

[rustic charm]

Well not the first time overall for me (I was in the Railroads Online discord…) but the first time I’ve seen it in relation to a FS product

[untold finch]

No no there's an update coming any day now I swear /s

They keep insisting that they haven't forgotten them even though they clearly have

[uneven fern]

actually, they did say an update was coming recently in their discord which of course is the same thing they have been saying for the past 3+ years now

[shadow burrow]

Just wait for the xcrafts

[uneven fern]

they are the ones that did the 3D model for the FSS e jet

[shadow burrow]

Yep

They are doing there own for MSFS

But I think they have canned it while they work on the legacy 1000 for XP

[uneven fern]

oh that would be great

[shadow burrow]

Can’t wait for the legacy honestly

Gonna be so fucking good

[rustic charm]

Looks like BATC gets a bit lost when it comes to taxiing on runways

[uneven fern]

It depends on the scenery

if the scenery is correct it will do a good job

[rustic charm]

Well, I’m on default Hamilton :p

It got bit lost there

But the taxi route isn’t really simple tbf

Cross runway, then enter runway, then cross runway while on runway, then turn around and line up

And with Hamilton there isn’t really a scenery, haven’t found anything

Not even any freeware on fs.to

[uneven fern]

yeah, I can see how that would mess it up

[rustic charm]

Overall though BATC is really nice

I think the LLM will help it a lot, but even without it, it’s really nice

[uneven fern]

I am a huge fan of BATC

in fact I even purchased the supporters pack just to support them more

[rustic charm]

Haven’t purchased the supporter pack myself but I really like it a lot

[rustic charm]

Btw about this, does anyone know of any sceneries for it? I’m about the Hamilton in Ontario, Canada btw, the one south of Toronto. CYHM