Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[crisp adder]

It´s quite the let-down, yes. I wanted to do a longer cross-Atlantic flight today but it just wouldn´t run well. I´m still fairly optimistic that its performance will improve and in the meantime there are other planes for long-haul flights that runn way better.

[hollow oracle]

I can’t even do any simrate because how low my FPS is, which is a huge dealbreaker when it comes to long haul aircraft, at least for me (and for really any aircraft)

[topaz geyser]

Doens't it have 10+GB ot textures or something?

[hollow oracle]

Yes, the textures alone are 15GB on the 4k version (which includes several 8k textures)

[topaz geyser]

Still can't wrap my head around this.

[hollow oracle]

The 8K textures are 20+ GB

[rustic charm]

Yeah it would, except you’d have to run MSFS on a VPN, and I don’t honestly know any single one that would be able to handle that kind of usage lol

[dusty sky]

Massive downside of living in Russia, you can't use AI atc for msfs

[rustic charm]

Massive downside of living in Russia is you can’t use half the internet and can’t pay for anything

Still, can’t really complain because at least all the actually necessary services work

[dusty sky]

How did I just now realize that the new msfs will have the 747-400

A little tempting oh no

[rustic charm]

Isn’t the 400 there just the Dreamlifter and the firefighter?

Oh and for both you have to purchase premium deluxe

And of course, the owners of premium deluxe in 2020 iirc won’t get them either

[dusty sky]

😐

Anyway why is the 172 in deluxe edition that's so dumb

It's like it's super important or something

[rustic charm]

There’s one in standard too

And idk what’s the difference between the 2

[dusty sky]

One has G1000 panels

The other has the six pack

[rustic charm]

Sounds like some GA stuff I have no idea what means

[dusty sky]

G1000 is screens and the six pack is proper instruments

[rustic charm]

So glass cockpit and steam gauges, got it

[echo gorge]

It does suck they gated steam gauges behind the deluxe edition

[reef isle]

Also as far as I remember the steam gauge one also flies better because it doesn't have the CFD garbage

[topaz geyser]

@rustic charm Living in Argentina since 2022, minimal downsides, no visa required.

Granted, I also do have a bit of disposable income.

But if I'd stay, I'd long be in prison.

[alpine coral]

[hollow oracle]

this is peak flight sim gameplay right here

im literally on the edge of my seat right now

[rustic charm]

Modern jets for you

In cruise, you just watch out for anything going wrong, communicate with ATC and calculate your fuel (granted pretty much nobody does that in flight sim unless there’s something very weird going on)

[hollow oracle]

I try to plan chores or events and stuff around long haul flights, right now I’m on my way to a hockey game, block time is just under 9h and I should be back in 6

[trim harbor]

what game r u watchin

[hollow oracle]

Wheeling nailers, ECHL, two leagues under the NHL

[trim harbor]

ah

im watching nhl rn

[trim harbor]

do u fly w the gps in the 727?

[rustic charm]

INS

[trim harbor]

the CIVA?

[rustic charm]

Yeah

[trim harbor]

pro

[rustic charm]

I’m pretty sure the liveries I’ve flown are meant to be with the GPS in actuality, but I don’t mind a bit of inaccuracy in favour of INS

[trim harbor]

im still on edge if i wanna buy it or not

[rustic charm]

Tbh the INS itself isn’t really that much more complex compared to modern LNAV

I mean, essentially the only difference is you have to put the coordinates in, instead of waypoint names. And you can’t have more than 9 waypoints input at the same time, so if you have a long flight, you need to type new ones in as you go

Plus it most likely drifts more

The more noticeable difference is the lack of VNAV whatsoever. But Vspeed is still more than easy to fly with, and I’ve done flights without VNAV even in the 737

What I notice the most as of now is the lack of autothrottle. Well, you can have autothrottle, but I didn’t have it enabled. I just honestly don’t know whether I should have it in these liveries. But without it, you get a fair bit more workload. It’s quite common for me right now to just get busy with other things and let the speed fall down too far, so I get stall warnings pretty often

The jet that provides the most engaging gameplay in my opinion is the Fokker. Cause you have no choice basically, you go VOR to VOR. Not only do you have to constantly turn the knobs, but even before that you have to properly plan the trip, cause your SimBrief route will get you pretty much nowhere

[hollow oracle]

damn, i spent like 8 hours away and im still in cruise

[hollow oracle]

finally did the PHNL-RJTT flight ive been planning for ages, just in the 77W instead of the A380

[lethal jasper]

Don't think JAL does A388 flights between Honolulu and Haneda, only 787-9
But ANA does from/to Narita

[hollow oracle]

Yes

The flying honu service, my point being, I had planned to do the flying honu flight first, but went with a nicer plane and different airline

[reef isle]

TriStar

Please, please, please let this be true 🙏

[rustic charm]

That does indeed look like one

Plus guess what sits at the Royal Saudi Air Force Museum?

[reef isle]

I'm so hyped

Genuinely

My two favourite planes are both in development for MSFS (hopefully): Dassault Mercure and TriStar

Once they're out I'm never leaving my house

I'll just reject the real world

[rustic charm]

Same, TriStar would be so awesome

It’s also gonna be quite interesting to see ini do it, they’d likely be stepping out of their comfort zone cause they mostly made airbus planes iirc

[reef isle]

Please let the FM be good

Also DLC

Hope they get it correct

[rustic charm]

Oh I really hope so

Tbh for the tristar, I’d really want it to be just perfect

[reef isle]

[rustic charm]

It’s a wonderful plane, and I hope the recreation, if true, will be just as good as it is in reality

Also I wonder, are there no other examples of them preserved, anywhere in the US for example?

[reef isle]

There are

Mostly Stargazer is flying

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah, right

[reef isle]

But I guess they were in that sort of area for the A380 anyway?

[rustic charm]

Could be to be fair

Where is ini actually based? I assume somewhere Europe?

[dusty sky]

L1011 would be a must for me if it ever comes out

[abstract mural]

Betterpushback, what are you doing?

You can even see where I taxi-ed

[glass totem]

Manchester to Tenerife

[hollow oracle]

i had to abandon the flight because i was getting 3FPS in SFO

im starting to feel my new gaming PC is never coming

MSFS isnt even open right now

[lethal jasper]

Don't worry, Fenix tanks mine when I use the 8k liveries

[hollow oracle]

https://flightsim.to/file/84630/2024-us-presidential-campaign-737-bbj2-pack

[shadow burrow]

U lot would like this

[hollow oracle]

i love how boeing has kept the upper window holes all the way into the max 8

[shadow burrow]

its actually used for shit still

the map light and the headphones jack all come in through there

any extra space is much loved because there is fuck all anywhere else

[trim harbor]

Lucky ass

[rustic charm]

I’d prefer an NG 😎

(Ideally a 727. Would genuinely be sooo wonderful to be in the cockpit of one in flight. Although if I ever get the money for that, all of them will probably no longer be flying at that point)

[shadow burrow]

The oil spill one should be around for a while yet

[rustic charm]

That’s true

Plus I expect the zero G one will fly for a while too

[trim harbor]

lol.

[hollow oracle]

new airbus????

oh wait, isnt FSL the people who put a virus in their software intentionally so they could try an expose pirates?

[full plank]

yea

[hollow oracle]

fuck that

[trim harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1105080430459359252/1305595540914045009/Img-111.jpg?ex=67339a19&is=67324899&hm=210e33ea7c8e49121c540aef52bc2ea5c755186d960e2925942c6f52e9f802a8&

[full plank]

feel like shit just want the FSL Concorde

[hollow oracle]

where even is this? their website is still yucky

nevermind, it was leaked, the website went up early

[trim harbor]

it was leaked

[dusty sky]

What

[hollow oracle]

https://medium.com/@lukegorman97/flightsimlabs-alleged-malware-analysis-1427c4d23368

[dusty sky]

Interesting

[shadow burrow]

Holy fucking shit

Still maintain the fact the FSLabs 32x is the best recreation of any Airbus in sim

Has the potential to be very fucking good

[shadow burrow]

This was a retarded time to actually play flight sims lmao

Miss it honestly

[rustic charm]

Isn’t it also like, by far the most expensive one

Talked with a friend of mine (he was basically explaining who FSL are cause I had no idea) and he said the total for the P3D A320 family was like over $350

[shadow burrow]

This was back when the flight sim community was a lot smaller, piracy ate a hell of a lot into companies profits and ability to make money. Retards decided to add a password snatcher into the download to grab info of the pirates. Really really didn’t think it through and completely fucked their own reputation. Regardless, for what you get it’s incredible.

[shadow burrow]

You can say the same about any P3D aircraft

Less customers, less people to by but same amount of work put in

You need to make profits somehow

It’s why the Toliss 320 family is so expensive compared to the fenix

MSFS is a much bigger market with way more customers

[rustic charm]

Tbf I am completely unfamiliar with P3D, so if that’s really the case then it’s fair

[shadow burrow]

If it did come out for XP or P3D you can guarantee that the price would be equal to what FSlabs charge

The FSLabs was and still is incredible

[rustic charm]

MSFS being a much larger market is obvious, so maybe it’ll be cheaper now too

[shadow burrow]

It’s beyond insane what they managed to do in what was essentially FSX

[rustic charm]

Guess gotta see how they do. If they did it wonderfully once, who knows, maybe now theirs will become better than the fenix one

[shadow burrow]

The Hotstart CL60 of Airbuses

No fucking EFB tho pissed me off royally

Same thing as every other P3D aircraft with ground services utilised by the FMGS

MCDU*

[rustic charm]

I’m still not entirely sure about another dev going for the A320 family. Like, how many can we genuinely have? But here it’s an A321 at least, not an A320 right away

[shadow burrow]

Nah it’s stupid

But it’s what they know

And they can’t keep developing for P3D

MSFS is very quickly becoming saturated

[untold finch]

No amount of quality can convince me to give FSLabs my money for any aircraft

[hollow oracle]

I have good news at least, I should have my new PC by the end of this week/beginning of next week

[hollow oracle]

I love flying military aircraft, but I absolutely suck at the combat part of it

I’d like to learn the A-10 at some point, maybe just a stock standard F-16

[glass totem]

Oh dear

[lethal jasper]

404 Airlines

[alpine coral]

[dusty sky]

What in dcs?

[valid thicket]

Haven't played DCS for years. The F18 has changed XD

[reef isle]

A lot

[hollow oracle]

I have no interest in downloading a 1TB game with DLC as bad as TSW

[dusty sky]

What

[untold finch]

It's only 1TB if you have basically every addon

there are plenty of valid reasons not to want to bother with DCS though

[dusty sky]

Well my reason is that it's expensive and I'm too dumb to understand how to play

[mortal furnace]

performance in dcs is shockling shite high end pc's on VR run shite

units cant even path a way through cities they get stuck

bug reported it 3+ years ago still the same

[dusty sky]

DCS moment

[mortal furnace]

cant tell the devs that tho

banned

[trim harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFLMce2VUT4

this is honestly cool

[dusty sky]

Interesting

[rustic charm]

My most stressful flight yet. Planned as Sitka to Juneau. Juneau is in shit today. 2 goarounds, then decided to turn back to Sitka. Made it back with just 2.5k lbs of fuel left, and even for just that I had to really conserve a lot in cruise

[hollow oracle]

massive MD-11 update

the biggest fix being that you can now fly holds

[hollow oracle]

https://youtube.com/shorts/QUbKE7mYIf8?si=Yt8zL_DUpHWR533j

Aerosucre hilight reel

[hollow oracle]

All I’m saying is that I’ve never done that in MSFS

[untold finch]

still no VR fix for the one plane that seems to get it wrong? yeesh

[lethal jasper]

It's what happens when the PMDG tyres commit the die on landing + abused autobrake

just not visually xD

[rustic charm]

I’m pretty sure that the pilots just forgot to rotate to be honest

Or they decided to enter the runway at like midpoint or something

Cause Bogota is a place where 777s can take off and land. Hell, even the airliners powered by 4 APUs - the 340s

For a 727 to genuinely not be able to take off there you’d have to overload it by some 20 tons, and if you did that, then the plane would just not be able to fly or climb at all most likely

[rustic charm]

Flying Moscow to Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk. Decided to do something special as this flight is going to get me to 100 hours

[topaz geyser]

Certified A380 moment.

[dusty sky]

An aerosucre classic

[dusty sky]

70 dollars just to get a single variant of the MD-11 god I'm gonna go bankrupt

[dry fox]

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[topaz geyser]

What is this even?

[hollow oracle]

I just had a revelation

So, my main center monitor is hooked up to my GPU, the other side monitors are hooked up to the integrated CPU graphics

I’m wondering if the fenix software is so extremely CPU intensive, because the tab is on the CPU-rendered monitor, meaning it’s trying to parse all the data as well as rendering it all on my already weak CPU

Which could also be the case for watching YouTube and twitch streams on my side monitors while playing something, the browser is rendering those with CPU as well, which is why it likes to shoot up to insane CPU % in the task manager

[neat stirrup]

some UAL ops

[trim harbor]

https://fixupx.com/eagledynamics/status/1857438911066247375

i lived to see the day

cant believe it

[rustic charm]

So, this is basically Juneau

A 1500ft takeoff roll

And I was on derated thrust as well, to 22k instead of normal 26

All of this simply because there was a 40-knot headwind

Certainly my craziest takeoff

Not only did I lift off this quickly, I also got blown right off the course within a second after that

I think aborting a takeoff past v1 wouldn’t have been unsafe there… that was really crazy

[valid thicket]

wonderful

[hollow oracle]

v1 of the ifly max 8 is out

technically the full public release

[hollow oracle]

thank god taxi sensitivity was fixed, it used to be where you could jackknife it if you just hit the tiller too hard

simrate is sort of better, you can do x2 on straight sections but 4x will knock you off course, especially on turns

performance is better too, last update it turned pretty bad, now its back to being similar to PMDG

[hollow oracle]

first flight in almost a full week

[lethal jasper]

Now if only the FSS Ejets could catch up.

[rustic charm]

Well they will eventually

[lethal jasper]

;-; brain tired of tod calculations for each alt restriction on sids using fpm

[dusty sky]

there's a bit of a sale on pmdg intrestingly

[lethal jasper]

The fact the recent PMDG updates haven't hit marketplace 👀

[dusty sky]

I'm at denver and it's not busy on vatsim why am I still scared

[dusky leaf]

Question for the msfs folks again. Any recommended GA/ bush aircraft for msfs? A nice 172, a PA-28 etc?

Most of the cubs seem pretty meh, and I hated the beaver

[untold finch]

If you want a good cub, the Classic Aircraft Sims J-3 Cub is the way to go

https://contrail.shop/collections/msfs-aircraft/products/classic-aircraft-simulations-piper-j-3-cub-msfs
I really liked it

GA aircraft - anything by blacksquare is good, the WBSim Cessna 172 is good, and the A2A PA24 Comanche is god tier. Honourable mention for Just Flight's PA38 Tomahawk too

[dusky leaf]

Going to give the j3 a punt, we dont have a top quality j3 in xp. Will report back

[reef isle]

PA28 I think the Just Flight one is quite decent

in terms of flight model I quite like the BN-2 Islander of BlackBox, but the visuals are a bit meh, so are the systems and functionalities and it's a bit overpriced (I got it on a big discount a long time ago)

[dusky leaf]

Nice flying Cub with a caveat - the controls dont work without the engine running which for a wire an pulley aircraft is obviously wrong, but she flies nice

[full plank]

Have genuinely been considering picking up the Avro RJ from JF

[echo gorge]

I've admittedly not got it (haven't played msfs in months) but their f28 and 146 were incredible, and I expect the rj just continues that impressive legacy

[hollow oracle]

small VFR flight from golden to revelstoke

gotta love the rocky mountains

[trim harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEWFqSfh3Pc

WINNING

[rustic charm]

I’m doing a flight while it’s half 4 am here. Fatigue really kicks in… first, I forgot to set the flaps before takeoff, so had to abort. And I overshot the runway exit when I slowed down, so decided to just continue down the runway and take off opposite direction. Changed the departure data in the FMC accordingly. But then fatigue kicks in again - forgot to change the route waypoints so they match, got a discontinuity, only noticed that mid flight once my LNAV went off. Then on final, I accidentally raised the gear because I forgot I already lowered it…

[reef isle]

oh god,why was 1950s russia like this?

the gauge on the right, that's showing the VOR2 position is always north up

so let's say I want to fly radial 090 outbound, I'd wait until that needle is pointing about 80°, then do a left turn and keep that needle pointing towards 90

I'd have the exact same indication if I were flying 090 inbound

whyy

same for this thing

So I always need to create a sort of picture in my head of the plane moving across the map

My minds needs to be able to generate this in real time

now that I understand it, it makes sense, and you sort of had to do some of that stuff with every aircraft. But track/HDG up instead of North up is a lot more intuitive to me

But maybe that's just because it's what I'm more used to

(although forget DME arcs by keeping the VOR on the 9/3 line)

so I'm now on a 270° outbound, because the VOR is to the east, and I'm going west

I'm frying my brain

checks out

[trim harbor]

what plane r u flying lo

[reef isle]

Tu-114

on FSX

[trim harbor]

what a beauty

[reef isle]

I'll try to do a DME ARC, as best as I can and overfly the VOR coming from a 135° track inbound

I guess I really have to use the 10/10 method, turn 10°, wait until the VOR indication has turned by 10° and turn again

what a chore

[full plank]

flying an airline I see on a near enough daily basis in the real world

[trim harbor]

where did that airline even come from

where does it fly woh owns it

it just plopped up randomly af

[full plank]

Thomas Cook Scandinavia, was renamed after the former died

primarily just all the usual charter airline destinations

[rustic charm]

Best don’t ask xD

A lot of stuff with Soviet planes is quite different

I’m pretty sure even the attitude indicator behaves differently. Normally, when you bank the plane, the plane marker on the gauge stays level while the horizon itself turns, since that correlates with what you would see out of the cockpit. On Soviet planes though, the horizon is always level and the plane indicator banks

[rocky prism]

Was looking through my FSX screenshots earlier, just making me want the MSFS 2020 757 even more. Might have to reinstall this just to fly a 757

[hollow oracle]

the deimos A10 is so fucking junk, and i know NOTHING about military aviation

its so bad that i can tell its shit by not even knowing how it should be

the real fucking kicker is that the MCDU is literally the 747s one

though, it beats spending $80 on the DCS one

my brain runs too slow to make the quick decisions that air-to-air combat needs

[untold finch]

If you're doing air-to-air combat in an A-10 something has gone wrong

But yeah, the DCS one is pretty much the gold standard, just a shame about the rest of the game

[tardy hedge]

omg i tried vatsim for the first time

my social anxiety was acting up but somehow managed to guide myself through the airport via unicom

i thought i crashed into a aircraft but i forgot to disable MSFS ai

[dusty sky]

How did you

You have to teach me this magic

So

Spirit has filed for bankruptcy

[hollow oracle]

their stock dropped from $3 to $1 overnight

i bought in at $5 and sold at $3, so im glad i got out when i did

their stock is going to be delisted from the NYSE as part of the bankruptcy too, so its going to become actually worthless in a few weeks

[valid thicket]

Discovered the Marianas map became free at some point. Understood why, what a boring map

[hollow oracle]

It’s funny how everyone’s like “I’m gonna miss MSFS2020 ” but it’s literally the same game + 4

[echo gorge]

It was always free

Wish it didn't have awful performance

[valid thicket]

Mmmh I must be confusing it with another map then

[abstract mural]

When was the last time you trying it out? I find for my specs it's working good now

[echo gorge]

About a year ago

[alpine coral]

[topaz geyser]

If you're in air-to-air combat in an A-10, something already went wrong.

Oh, Malakhit beat me to it. Great minds and all.

[topaz geyser]

https://i.imgur.com/UMgw8lv.png Southeast flying in winter be like...

[hollow oracle]

yes, i forog the yoy

though, my point still stands, combat aviation requires extremely rapid reaction time that i dont possess

[rustic charm]

I expect quite a lot of people won’t switch for now

Really the only reason I see for myself to switch is that PMDG will drop 2020 right away

[hollow oracle]

im very, very interested in the beluga and C-17 still, and ill most likely get the premium deluxe edition at christmas, but for right now, no plans to switch

[dusty sky]

Um, Nuh uh it has career mode 🤓

[abstract mural]

I suggest taking a look at it again

[untold finch]

huh, didn't realise that BMW/AmSim products had been purged from Inibuilds

can't say I'm surprised

[rustic charm]

Has anything been said here yet about the 73CL for msfs yet

Cause it appears there is one

Well, there is one in dev

[glass totem]

Happy release day

[glass totem]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1099754524928913490/1308472211761401886/image.png?ex=673e1135&is=673cbfb5&hm=42ec11ee220aef69bd9fa54f1abe5b0829569fc442e5ded2d0ad344d8cf49a27&

[dusty sky]

Lol

[hollow oracle]

Remember children, buying a game on release day is not good form

[dusty sky]

Like I have the money for that

Nah I'm gonna get it for Christmas

[rustic charm]

Not sure I’m gonna be getting it any time soon

At least not until I miss out on some worthwhile content. Maybe once PMDG start releasing the stuff, cause of course they’ll no longer support 2020…

[trim harbor]

u gotta pay an upgrade fee

[rustic charm]

Yep, that too

Fucking wild really

[trim harbor]

devs try not to be scummy

impossible

this

[rustic charm]

Considering most likely the 73NG I’ll pay an upgrade fee for in FS24 will be the exact same as in FS20

And then just making everything else FS24 exclusive… I’m pretty sure 77F is yet unconfirmed, it might actually come to 2020, but other than that anything further is for 24 only iirc

[hollow oracle]

An upgrade fee, for an aircraft that had all of the MSFS2024-specific features added

You can port your regular MSFS 2020 737s up for free, but the 2024 versions with all the new features are going to be a small extra cost

[rustic charm]

Well really, what specific features? Cause as of now I’ve only noticed 1 key difference between the aircraft in the 2 games and that’s walkarounds

[untold finch]

I haven't bought it either, might do so in the new year when I'm less burnt out on flying

[trim harbor]

that doesnt justify it

ibr

[hollow oracle]

2024 has that new flight model simulation too

[trim harbor]

msfs devs said their '10 year plan' with msfs20

[glass totem]

This is the issue with the market for games

[trim harbor]

hat happend to that

[glass totem]

They have to keep releasing to stay relevant

[untold finch]

My guess is they expected demand to be lower, and thus didn't think the server bandwidth costs would be so high

[shadow burrow]

https://planner.flightsimulator.com/

[glass totem]

They shut down the servers lol

[untold finch]

Not surprising

The sheer number of people trying to get their hands on it right now must be enormous

[glass totem]

Should’ve just updated the old game

Heck if I had a pc I’d still be playing steam edition

[untold finch]

I'm happier that they're not updating the old game tbh
It means you have the old game which remains stable (as stable as MSFS can be) and the new game which sounds like they've rewritten quite a bit, so probably less stable for now

Means we can choose when to switch

[shadow burrow]

They've added a Queue now

[hollow oracle]

waiting in a line to download a game you purchased

[rare radish]

what a SHIT fucking release

seriously

[dusty sky]

Real

[trim harbor]

what did everyone expect

[rare radish]

i expected better

only because of what happened in 2020

[trim harbor]

everyone expecting to fly the 737 and 777 on the release day of msfs24

[dusty sky]

It's Microsoft what do you expect

[trim harbor]

'my last time in fs2020' type of energy

[trim harbor]

nah the issue with fs24 this time is

that it's too many people

fs kinad left the niche business

[glass totem]

Base 777?

[trim harbor]

nah pmdg

[hollow oracle]

my last flight ever in MSFS 2020, the world is ending tomorrow 😥

[rare radish]

i kinda wished for an improvement over the 2020 release

they should've expected like 2x more players than before

[hollow oracle]

microsoft doesnt know how to make a downloader, period

its been infamous in 2020, and they did nothing to it in 2024

[trim harbor]

not a launcher downloader

actually idk how fast the speeds r

[rustic charm]

Ngl just a download through Steam would’ve been perfect

Cause then you could actually refund it if it doesn’t work

[trim harbor]

exactly that

[lethal jasper]

Well the servers are backlogged so, give it a week toa month

[glass totem]

Thrilling gameplay

[hollow oracle]

You’d think Microsoft, one of the richest companies in the entire globe, could afford to allocate a little more server space to their game

[dusty sky]

A big company actually doing something well?

Why do you believe such impossible things

[wide zenith]

fuck you to anyone who played on steam and had the 2 hour refund go past Lmao

you'd think they'd learn 🙃

[rare radish]

FUCK OFF

I WAS SO CLOSE

IT GOT ME STUCK HERE

[dusty sky]

Jem gives no fucks wow

[wide zenith]

oof

[dusty sky]

I'm just watching the world burn

Simply because I can't afford the game

[hollow oracle]

to put this into perspective, just over 200 reviews are positive

[tardy hedge]

wtf

is the game bad already?

[hollow oracle]

no, people are being pissy that the servers are overloaded on day one, who would have ever thought

still, it is unacceptable for MICROSOFT to have this issue

[tardy hedge]

👍

[echo gorge]

Oh they did it again, lmao

[echo gorge]

Afaik with steam they extended the refund window with the first game

I'd expect similar to happen with this

[wide zenith]

ah makes sense

do find it funny how one could buy a game and then not be able to play it for 2 hours within installing

[hollow oracle]

a game so good they have to extend the refund window, incredible

ive sent it in here before, but this really sums up the flight sim experience

https://youtu.be/FaiAIkMQhMQ?si=k_feTLdob3TI8OY9

loading please wait, 100%

[alpine coral]

[wide zenith]

Someone just told me the default aircraft textures are streamed from the cloud, idk how true that is but yikes

[tardy hedge]

You can say bye to your bandwith now

[glass totem]

If that’s what you mean

[hollow oracle]

there HAS to be an offline mode

if there isnt, no way im buying 2024

[shadow burrow]

Yeah ngl that’s fucking ridiculous if they don’t have it lmao

[hollow oracle]

we're getting to the stage where buying isnt owning anymore

when i purchase a game, i expect the files to be downloaded to my PC so i can play it without an internet connection

you can fly MSFS 2020 offline, the generated terrain looks pretty crappy but it works

[shadow burrow]

Yeahhhhhh

But why would you want to own a game?

We can rent it to you!

[hollow oracle]

For $120

[alpine coral]

Amazing

[alpine coral]

I got planes streaming in from the cloud and I can't find the place to download them

[trim harbor]

[shadow burrow]

Wow

I’m very surprised

[lethal jasper]

How I believe most releases go xD

[glass totem]

I’m seeing that there’s a voice chat option in this years flight sim

Does that mean we can meow on guard?

[rustic charm]

…probably

[untold finch]

I think there was also voice chat in the first game, just nobody ever used it

[shadow burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-urik3852-gif-17406063848669911242

[dusty sky]

Anyway willing to meow on vatsim?

For the funny

[shadow burrow]

I think it's been done

[glass totem]

My mate is

[dusty sky]

Lmao

[dusty sky]

Msfs 2024 looking mighty fine right now

[hollow oracle]

why

[dusty sky]

[hollow oracle]

MSFS doesnt want to launch either, because steam thinks i have the required redists installed for it, but i dont, because i had to reinstall windows

[dusty sky]

Nice one steam

[rustic charm]

URSS - UUEE

[dusty sky]

Move that R to the end and it's gonna be something else

Hold up what is that last image

The hell is that flight path

[rustic charm]

An average Sheremetyevo approach

To be fair the actual path there gets mixed in with the missed approach path there

[dusty sky]

Yeah I was thinking even for a stranger looking approach it's just too random

[rustic charm]

Here’s a real visualisation though - this is the path my friend had when following my real life AFL271 trip. This isn’t a goaround, just a regular approach. And he did that in a 777 too.

[dusty sky]

How exactly do you make the type of approach on simbrief?

[rustic charm]

I just fly by charts

SimBrief is not an instruction you have to follow. I find it quite often doesn’t give STARs/SIDs. SimBrief itself is just a suggestion for your route to more or less resemble reality. And then you can add onto it.

[tardy hedge]

i hate when im doing a vatsim flight and my msfs just decides to crash cuz its msfs

🫠

[dusty sky]

Tell me how you got over your social anxiety

Like bro I'm scared to talk when there are very few people at the airport

[tardy hedge]

just talk

[dusty sky]

I'm too scared for that

[reef isle]

I started by first flying to an airport that had just tower, it was a sort of "relief" that the discussion would be brief, just after take off you'd get switched to unicom

then I went to somewhere that had approach

and the flight after I landed at an airport that had approach

also I had pen and paper to quickly write what I needed to

I also was expecting what the controller was going to say, and I knew what I needed to tell him back

[rustic charm]

I’d have tried vatsim most likely if there was any action at all in Alaska

Would much prefer my first flight being Juneau to Sitka or Sitka to Juneau (I have both fully memorised by this point. Like, absolutely. I can tell you all the VORs I need to use at which courses, the altitudes I need to descend to, the optimal flight level) and not some other flight that I’ve only done once or twice, or even not ever

[shadow burrow]

Ever flown to princess juliana international airport?

[dusky leaf]

Exactly, if you know what you are at, you know what they are going to say before they say it.

PTAC for example is one of the longest readbacks you will get. But you should know what they are going to say. You are x miles from y (you know where you are) Heading is pretty much always 30 deg intercept, so you know it b4 they say it. Altitude and clearance are written on the chart, so you know that too

[hollow oracle]

flying with traffic is like taking the training wheels off

[shadow burrow]

Gotta say FS24 is more enjoyable now with career mode

[tardy hedge]

what is this?

i need this rn

[untold finch]

Looks like Flow by Parallel42

[tardy hedge]

thanks

[echo gorge]

It's honestly the best addon in the sim, it's so much better than the default toolbar, and it's free

[tardy hedge]

i rlly need this for vatsim

i cannot multi task while taking off

[untold finch]

Wish it supported VR

I'd totally switch if it did

[tardy hedge]

I should probs get a basic flight sim setup for my birthday

[rustic charm]

Gotta try it then

I do know //42 is quite good with stuff

Bought simfx and 737 immersion, won’t complain at all. Just wish they did 727 immersion (since that is my favourite jet right now. Although I do really want to try an MD80, that looks genuinely amazing)

[tardy hedge]

i wonder how he got thse take off things

asdasasd

oh i found it

do i need flow pro?

[mild zenith]

probably

not everything is included in the free version

[rustic charm]

Some 727 action

[tardy hedge]

Why is it alwaysa

When i get close to my dest

My msfs decides to crash

I was this close to EGLL

All off a sudden it crashes

[dusty sky]

Overstressed or smth

[dusty sky]

There's a pax 727?

Also damn that cockpit

[dusty sky]

He just wanted some fresh air

[topaz geyser]

Not really, no.

Air to air combat does, but ground attack, not so much.

[rustic charm]

It’s just the freighter but with windows painted on

And I agree the cockpit is absolutely amazing

This one really battles for the spot of my favourite vintage airliner with the F28

[lethal jasper]

MSFS24 and GA crosswind at low alt crz = wiggle

[rustic charm]

If you’re GA and the crosswind makes you wiggle, it’s a rather nice crosswind. Yesterday I had to roll side to side in a 777 a fair bit

[lethal jasper]

It was making me get motion sick at 1500ft level flight xD

[rustic charm]

Oh lol

Yeah, honestly, crosswinds are annoying

Genuinely don’t know how it feels in GA since I’ve never done any GA, and really haven’t done any VFR either tbh

The closest I’ve got to going VFR is when I was doing practice laps in the A310 (didn’t set up the FMC route) and got lost xD

[hollow oracle]

did some livery work on the fenix A321 hawaiian livery to get it to the sharklets

also some decals and accuracy fixes

[dusty sky]

Fenix my beloved

Don't tail strike 😉

[hollow oracle]

i realized last night that the only reason im getting good FPS in the fenix is purely because of nvidia frame generation

i mean, i am getting 50-60FPS, so its nothing to complain about, but the screen tearing isnt screen tearing, its the frame generation being suspicious

[dusty sky]

Oh?

[hollow oracle]

as long as its an offline hardware thing, im fine with frame generation being what gets me good performance,

[dusty sky]

Also me having decent frames with constant stuttering

[dusky leaf]

Thats the thing though- visually you are getting 50-60 FPS, but your sim isnt actually running at that

[hollow oracle]

well, its enough to where i can do 2x simrate without any issues, so thats all fine with me

[shadow burrow]

Love it

[dusty sky]

I love flying after burners

[hollow oracle]

one really funny thing ive found with MSFS now that i can run it at a good FPS, landings are WAY harder than they look

i thought i absolutely buttered the A321 into PHNL, nope, -370fpm/1.09G

i fucking bent an A319 last night too, -603fpm/1.14G

ive heard that Gs are the way you should judge a landing, the higher Gs you get the harder you put the wheels down, it measures the g forces the fuselage felt on touchdown

[hollow oracle]

i thought FSLTL had gate protection, so it wouldnt spawn planes ontop of you at the gate

[rustic charm]

I mean, that’s an absolutely acceptable landing

It’s not anywhere near bad

[hollow oracle]

FSLTL is not terrifiying at all

isnt BATC working with FSLTL traffic now?

[rustic charm]

I’m pretty sure BATC traffic isn’t yet even fully out

[hollow oracle]

atleast in settings, there are more options for it, and most are selectable without inop stickers

this sticker makes me wonder, if your certified on the A320, are you certified on the A319/A321 too?

because if your only flying the a321, theres no real reason to have that sticker there

i only found out the other day that the fenix has adjustable seats too

[rustic charm]

I’m pretty sure they do have the same type rating?

I’m pretty sure the 737s share a common type rating as well. Even between generations, you just have to do a couple days of extra training.

[trim harbor]

u need the supporters edition

[hollow oracle]

huh, fenix does have FSLTL integration though, i was getting TCAS warnings into atlanta

[dusty sky]

Pencil A320

[rustic charm]

The A321 really depends on the angle you look at it from

Sometimes it looks barely longer than an a320, other times you look at it and go “this one’s a fucking pencil”

[dusty sky]

Third and forth images be that fr

[mild zenith]

You get the type rating on A319/A320/A321

[dusty sky]

So I can fly an A319 if I have an A321 certification?

[hollow oracle]

i guess so

to be fair, the only difference is the length

[rustic charm]

Yep, A319, A320 and A321 are under one type rating

Idk if A318 is there? The forgotten airbus. Really no idea, but could be.

[hollow oracle]

its part of the A320 series technically i believe

though, not sure if that also means its the same type rating

[rustic charm]

Same thing as really if you fly a 737-800, you should be allowed to fly the -700, -600 and -900(ER). Although with that you really can fly the -300/400/500 too with absolutely minimal training

Actually I think all of the 737s are one type? So you will only really need to get the training that an airline requires in order to switch between them. At least I think it works that way

[hollow oracle]

and boeing tried to do that with the max 8, to deadly consequence

[dusty sky]

Very forgotten, on the flight radar there were just 4 of them, one privately owned the others by air France

Cuz tarom retired the A318 recently

[rustic charm]

They didn’t try to do that, they did that

[dusty sky]

That be nice

[crisp adder]

That´s EDJA, Memmingen airport. It´s payware but very cheap and made by a guy living nearby. Probably one of the best bang for buck purchases I made for MSFS. EDJA is also an important airport for Wizz Air, so it fit quite well flying in there.

I normally don´t shill for payware devs but here´s the shop if you´re interested:
https://freds-airports.sellfy.store/p/edja-allgau-airport-memmingen-for-ms-flight-simulator-2020/

His version of EDDR is also really good and cheap, as well.

[dusty sky]

Only 4 euros?

Wow

[crisp adder]

Yeah, it's a steal, really. 😅

[dusty sky]

Really looks like it

[dusty sky]

help my nose wheel isn't nose wheeling

why isn't it turning more

wait the tiller isn't moving huh

nevermind

[reef isle]

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/inibuilds-fly-by-wire-aircrafts-a330-a400m-and-a320v2-roll-deadzone/670193

I wouldn't mind if you could give it a vote, very annoying issue on all inibuilds planes 🫤

[dusty sky]

basically you have to put the nose wheel axis to be the same as the one with the rudder

so I just spawned in to test that and the plane is just randomly nosing up

I push it back to level then it goes nose up again

[tardy hedge]

wha-

ryanair with a A320?

[full plank]

would be a Lauda A320

[rustic charm]

^^

[tardy hedge]

true

i forgor

[shadow burrow]

Yes

It’s the same as 737NG cert, 600/700/800/900/9ER

Unless you have an ATPL

They are weird

I think the wildest is probably the 330/340 cert, 332/333/338/339/342/343/345/346

But it depends who you do your training with

If you train to fly 737’s with Ryanair with a PPL you just get trained on the 700, 800 and 8200

You just need a like half day conversion to fly the rest

I would assume on this front tho that it’s from an airline with 319’s 320’s and 321’s

So you don’t try and flare like it’s a babybus

[tardy hedge]

3 hours

longest flight ive done

[reef isle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex9Oi-G2pGA

Twitch is like if you prefer to watch it there

I'm going to be there with the Virtual Frecce Tricolori if you want to watch it 😄

Our performance isn't live, we already recorded everything we needed

[shadow burrow]

MSFS has been a overwhelmingly bad thing for the flight sim community

[dusky leaf]

https://store.x-plane.org/V-22-Osprey-XP12_p_1968.html

Will be getting this. The xp11 one was a ton of fun

[hollow oracle]

i really dont understand IAE engines

CFMs, including LEAPs, are really good, but the IAE gauges and stuff just confuse me

[hollow oracle]

i forgot to set pause at TOD and came back to my plane being in the approach at cruise

[shadow burrow]

Engine pressure ratio, same as the RB211

The ratio of the difference in pressure between the intake and exhaust

[hollow oracle]

the CFMs have it really nice, it shows you the N1 % and where your throttle is set, so you can really get an idea of what power your commanding from the engine

but with the IAEs its like the 3rd gauge down, and it doesnt show that mark on the gauge

[shadow burrow]

Nah just learn to read EPR

It’s usually more accurate than N1 anyway

[hollow oracle]

do you have any good resources? i tried looking up a few airbus-specific ones but didnt really find much

now that you mention what EPR is, it sort of clicked as to what it means, but its still different compared to the CFMs

[shadow burrow]

Yeah

It’s just thrust output as opposed to the rotational speed of an engine

N1 is the Low Pressure fan and N2 is high pressure

EPR is very much more accurate

It’s the total amount of thrust that’s being output by the engine as opposed to the speeds of the engine fans

[hollow oracle]

Yeah, it does make a lot more sense, that shows the actual thrust the engine is producing rather than just how fast it’s running

The scaling is weird though, 0.95-1.0 is idle, but then like 1.4 is cruise

Coming from like railroading, where you set the engine speed using the throttle, the CFMs are more familiar

[dusty sky]

What did I just watch

[tardy hedge]

Whats a good freighter for MSFS 2020?

[echo gorge]

The pmdg bcf or the jf Bae are pretty good

[dusty sky]

idk 727

[hollow oracle]

MD-11

Hands down, bar none

Don’t get it twisted, it’s still pretty WIP, but I have like 12+ flight hours in it for a reason

[tardy hedge]

holy shit thats so rare

[rustic charm]

Depends what you’re after

If you’re more for short freight operations, JF 146/RJ will definitely take the crown

RJ if you’re after more conventional stuff. 146 if you want to not have any autothrottle lol

For medium range - PMDG 73s if you’re after modern stuff, FSS 722 if you’re after a challenge. The 727 is brilliant, it battles the F28 for the spot of my favourite plane in the sim (although the F28 is more in-depth, that is quite easily seen, but the 727 is of more use and is very detailed too)

For long range, we only have nice vintage for now. You have the MD-11, but I don’t have it so can’t comment on its quality apart from visuals (which I’ve said many times look a bit weird) plus I don’t like TFDi overall. There’s also the ini A300, which looks quite nice but again, don’t have it. For modern long range freight, there’s the (hopefully) soon-to-be-out PMDG 777F

[echo gorge]

There's a BTEC auto throttle with the 146

Very handy in cruise

TGT mode iirc

[rustic charm]

Oh, didn’t know that

To be fair I know barely anything about the 146

Trying to learn it now, cause I found out AirPac operated one, flying throughout Alaska

But it’s a bit of a pain xD

I still haven’t found a way to set vspeed. Cause there is a vspeed mode on the AP, but not a vspeed selector. Looking at the pictures of the RJ, the MCP seems a lot more regular lol

[echo gorge]

The vspeeds are set by moving bugs on the asi (though jf thankfully made it so you could automate the process)

[untold finch]

I liked the iniBuilds A300 myself, after a LOT of patches

[echo gorge]

The flight director airspeed hold mode just pitches to maintain the speed you had when you selected it

[rustic charm]

Oh, that is really interesting

The 146 is just such an unusual thing

Although to be fair, the definition of ‘usual’ for me is Boeing, so anything different will be unusual

[echo gorge]

It's very state of the art for the 1970s. But the state of the art changed very rapidly in the following decade

[rustic charm]

Oh definitely

If you just compare the 727 and the 146… well the latter is much more advanced. I mean, doesn’t it even have VNAV?

[echo gorge]

Technically yes, but as a later retrofit (and a junky one at that)

They were /W birds as built

But it's got a far more advanced engine management system than the 72

[rustic charm]

Yeah

Starting from…

The lack of the need for all of the FE panel

I absolutely adore the 727, but in itself it is far from advanced. That probably is part of the reason why I genuinely like it

[echo gorge]

In the 72, the fe is the engine management (though the 72 fe is already almost supeflous)
The 146 actually has a computer for engine management, it's very basic by modern standards but can do things like decent mode, making sure the engines don't overheat, matching engine power outputs and more

[echo gorge]

The 72 is really just the coolest thing boeing ever made (and you can fight me on that)

[rustic charm]

I can’t fight you on that because I agree

I genuinely love the 747/737 originals, the 707, the 757… but the 727 just takes the crown in my opinion

First of all, it’s one of the best-looking aircraft to exist

[echo gorge]

It absolutely is

[rustic charm]

It also comes from a wonderful time when you could sacrifice fuel for speed without fearing that your plane will get spray-painted by activists

I mean, it was technically certified to go mach .92 at first

That is fast

[dusky leaf]

https://youtu.be/hGQUVQ0AHuo?si=tFVQS-iFPHi-dOjW

[dusty sky]

Y'all talking about all these amazing addon planes

Also me who can't afford any of them

[echo gorge]

Technically it's not actually activists that cause the push for lower speeds and more efficient engines, it's just boring economics

But yeah, the speed of the 72 is just

[rustic charm]

And I’m about to take off in one right now as well, such a wonderful plane

Going for Juneau to Sitka now

No VNAV, not even autothrottle (at least I fly without it), not even any reason to use the INS on such a short flight

[rustic charm]

A couple of my latest flights I haven’t posted yet:

1. Alaska 67: Sitka - Juneau (part of Seattle - Anchorage)

2. Alaska 62: Juneau - Sitka (part of Fairbanks - Seattle)

3. ‘Charter’ (basically my way of saying this airline doesn’t fly this route): Juneau - Sitka

Surprisingly these last 3 days Juneau gave me nothing but wonderful weather. Easily the best conditions I’ve ever flown there in

[dusty sky]

So pretty sure the salty 747 is broken

The plane just goes nose down for like no reason

With the autopilot on

[dusty sky]

That's a nice SAS livery

[hollow oracle]

This is why I still have a love/hate relationship with the fenix

I absolutely love it now that I can fly it at 60-120FPS, runs great, insane simulation, but like, why do we really need passenger body heat output simulation??? For something as small as realistic cabin temps??

[tired pond]

If they've done it right it shouldn't hit things much at all

[hollow oracle]

that is true, but with software development, going that complex means the tiniest changes can make it not efficent

its just so tiny of a detail that i wouldnt see any value to adding it, even if it is 100% efficent and has no performance impact, its just kind of like, the only thing you gain is a more accurate cabin temps

[topaz geyser]

Yes, we do.

That is actually amazing.

Being yelled at by a FA because you messed up ECS settings is a realistic thing, and is part of the experience managing the plane, so cudos to them.

[topaz geyser]

If it doesn't affect your experience in any way, why is that a problem?

Stuff like that is usually implemented when everything else is working fine, and it's better than devs just resting on the laurels.

BTW, Hot Start Challenger, and every AccuSim product of A2A do simulate that too.

[topaz geyser]

Handflew her on departure to FL240.

[hollow oracle]

i will admit, it is a worry rather than an actual issue, but the problem is more that its just another bug generator essentially

you know how it is, fix 1 thing break 2 others

[topaz geyser]

I'm pretty sure they aren't Dovetail

But anyway, like I said, it's a commonly implemented feature on high end addons, just isn't talked about much.

[hollow oracle]

latinVFR KMIA

4x simrate on the fenix A320 seems to be very stable

some mild wobbling from turbulence, but nothing insane like on my old PC

i dont think i would leave it unattended on 4x, but i would leave it unattended on 2x

[lethal jasper]

That exact train exists on BMWorld/AMSim's KMIA
Flightbeam do be making points

[hollow oracle]

no, i lied, you saying that made me second guess what miami i was actually using, and im using bmworld amsim

i got it before all of the controversy happened

i have so much shit installed i dont even remember what i have anymore

[trim harbor]

Plane crash

Ooof

[hollow oracle]

its a boeing

[mild zenith]

So what fixed your problem with the Fenix

[echo gorge]

New pc

[mild zenith]

Hmm

Guess I also need a new one to fix my problem with the fenix 😅

[rustic charm]

And it’s a 734

Although I do call it being technical. Either that, or some very severe windshear that the crew didn’t have the time to react to. I can’t see any other reasons why a plane could crash while established on ILS in overall decent weather conditions

[mild zenith]

No speculations

[hollow oracle]

Buying a $1800 gaming PC

[shadow burrow]

Cargojet -400, somehow this is going to be evidence of Boeing having bad quality management

Actually no I think it was a swift air?

[mild zenith]

Yes it's owned by SwiftAir but operating under contract for DHL

[hollow oracle]

it is really weird, it was on the ILS and everything, nothing abnormal happened outside of a -1000fpm drop before it crashed

[dusty sky]

Probably pilot error let's be real

Lost track of their airspeed and crashed

Wouldn't be the first time

[dusty sky]

Not to be rude

[rustic charm]

Honestly it genuinely doesn’t look like that. But there isn’t any way of knowing until the investigation is done

I wouldn’t be quick to blame the pilots because they could’ve still been on the automatics on the approach

[dusty sky]

The main reason why I feel like the pilots lost track of their airspeed is that it started dropping at -1000fpm and the wing dropped to the right before hitting the ground

Just sounds like it, but don't take my word I'm not a pilot nor am I an investigator

Could also be the impact that made it roll over but who knows

[rustic charm]

Well flight radar is hardly the most reliable source, but the plane’s ground speed was recorded at around 150 knots at the time. With the airport reporting what would roughly be headwind for them, that means their indicated airspeed was even above 150, which is well above minimum speed for the 737 with flaps out at at 20-30 degrees, which is what they likely would’ve had on final

[dusty sky]

Then that makes it very strange

[rustic charm]

There’s really no way of knowing until there’s CVR and FDR data

[reef isle]

yeah, let's not forget the Turkish 738 crash caused by the A/T going to idle way too high because of a faulty radar altimeter

it could be anything

we don't know

it could very well be icing for all we know

the only thing we can do is wait until the people that know what they're talking about, and have access to all the data find out what happened 😄

[dusty sky]

Is that the one that crashed in Schiphol?

[reef isle]

yeah

THY1951 / TC-JGE

[dusty sky]

Seems it was slowing down but it was landing

[reef isle]

The Turkish?

[dusty sky]

The swiftair

Really interested to find out what happened

[reef isle]

I don't really think the ADSB data is enough to find out

we just have to wait

[reef isle]

agreed though

[rustic charm]

I’m interested in seeing the results of the investigation for one reason: any accident is a lesson to be learned and an improvement to be made. It is crucial to understand what happened exactly and clearly

[hollow oracle]

huh, MSFS 2020 actually simulates wake turbulence? i thought that was just a 2024 thing

[dusty sky]

Wait it does?

[hollow oracle]

i got a TCAS warning in cruise, and i ignored it because im not worried about AI traffic collisions, and my plane got very noticable turbulence from the wake

[dusty sky]

Wait TCAS works in msfs 2020

[hollow oracle]

on the fenix, atleast

and it has FSLTL integration, so itll show FSLTL traffic and react with TCAS

i really dont care about avoiding traffic with TCAS though, im not using any ATC so im going to just encounter unrealistic unsafe situations

[lethal jasper]

Most people on vatsim fly TA Only xD

[hollow oracle]

damn, had to do a go around at TJSJ

just way too unstable, whites on the PAPI, glideslope warnings, it wasnt going to work out

really every single landing that i do should be a go around, so it feels stupid to do one this time, but i think it was the right decision

i think i was trying to push this giant a321 to its absolute stall speed anyway, i was at 140kts on the approach

might be worth letting the plane autoland if it gives me issues the second time around

[lethal jasper]

I dont release a/p till inside 150ft from published minimums

[hollow oracle]

i take manual control right at minimum

if its all whites again this time around, i may elect to take manual control very early to hand fly it down

[lethal jasper]

I always accept 3/1 ratio depending on visual conditions

[hollow oracle]

same, and the closer you get, the more unreliable it becomes

[lethal jasper]

yup yup

[hollow oracle]

managed to put it down the second time around, took control 100 above minimums this time, it was going to overshoot again, glideslope warnings again too

[lethal jasper]

ILS or RNAV? RNAV will over overshoot threshold compared to ILS

[hollow oracle]

ILS

[lethal jasper]

MSFS or Xplane? ik that in MSFS the papi is based on the user's camera

[hollow oracle]

MSFS, the PAPI shows i was above but i was using that for most of the way down

[lethal jasper]

Hard to tell without the FD on the pfd 😅

[hollow oracle]

same video, but at 1080p now, i forgot to update my OBS settings for my new machine

well, 1080p + discord compression, and probably some lingering old OBS settings still

[lethal jasper]

Looks good, leveled off as you went over the highway caused the dots

[hollow oracle]

thats about right where i was getting screamed "glideslope" at, so i softened it up a bit

i really slammed that left wheel down into the runway too, not ideal but its not that bad either considering the weather conditions

[reef isle]

The MSFS ILS and PAPI are quite jank

They always have been

It's good enough most of the time though

It just causes some spurious Glide Slope alerts that I always disregard

[hollow oracle]

ILS sort of depends on who developed the airport scenery

[reef isle]

I don't use any scenery 🤷‍♂️

[hollow oracle]

the PAPI i think works realistically though? isnt it kind of like shaded lenses that only show certain colors at certain angles?

[reef isle]

Yeah, they just aren't always properly aligned

[hollow oracle]

that is true

[reef isle]

You might see 3 reds and be on profile for example

They're a good indication, I often rely on them to get in a good position, but once below 700/1000 I mostly use how the runway looks

The shape and size of it

Which often means I end up low for displaced thresholds because I don't correct for that properly

But at least I know that if I get the landing wrong is a skill issue and not some random MSFS jank

And the first case I can improve and correct, the second, not so much

[topaz geyser]

IRL PAPI and ILS can not correspond, usually there's a warning on a chart.

[rustic charm]

Tbh I haven’t really had issues with ILS or PAPIs, I guess quite lucky that it works in places where I usually fly

The only time when I get glideslope warnings is at Juneau, when leaving the ILS on the final turn

[topaz geyser]

So I dunno about FS24, but in FS20 PAPI were very simplified.

Only 3 degrees, often strictly tied to the glideslope beam... So they were corresponding even when they shouldn't have.

[rustic charm]

It depends on the scenery too tbh, I’m pretty sure you can set them up customly. As for default, I’m very sure they were much simplified, in 2024 probably too, because default airports are auto-generated (cause otherwise you’d take 40 years just to build them out)

[hollow oracle]

casually getting over 100FPS with the pmdg 737

[dusty sky]

Blasphemy

[reef isle]

Yeah, but in MSFS it happens way too frequently, even for airports that don't have anything written about that in the approach chart.

[reef isle]

going to the DCS Caucasus map

tiny plane, tiny engines but H U G E wings

you might not like it, but this is what peak plane design looks like

[rustic charm]

A fair bit of Soviet planes relied more on the wing efficiency than on engine thrust

[reef isle]

which makes a lot of sense

and I also like at a simply aestethic level

[rustic charm]

Which is, to be fair, the way you should do it

[reef isle]

don't tell the 757 that

ahah

(joking of course)

[rustic charm]

xD

The 757 is still lovely

[reef isle]

it absolutely is

[rustic charm]

“Hey guys what if we make this normal narrow-body airlines BUT MAKE IT HELLA POWERFUL”

[shadow burrow]

i mean this thing was built to land on this

[reef isle]

It can take off at MTOW from the peak of Mt. Everest

[reef isle]

yeah I was about to say, considering the plane and its mission it makes a lot of sense

[rustic charm]

Absolutely. Ngl, I have a soft spot for planes that can do such stuff. Landing in absolute shitshow of infrastructure no problem

[shadow burrow]

yeah

[reef isle]

BAe 146 my beloved ❤️

only jet that was used to get to Unalaska

[shadow burrow]

I mean you dont need high power when your doing a 100km flight but you need the massive wings to land at a 700m unpaved runway with a jet

[rustic charm]

Many Soviet planes could land unpaved actually. Which absolutely makes sense because 99% of the country was shit air infrastructure

[rustic charm]

Yeah. I wonder who made the AirPac livery for MSFS

[shadow burrow]

did they even come standard with any kind of navigation?

the yak 40's

I know the LOT ones had it

[reef isle]

guessing VORs and probably the soviet ones had RSBM maybe?

[rustic charm]

I mean, probably VORs, but I wouldn’t expect much more. Although being fair I don’t know that much

[reef isle]

then later upgraded with external GPS units I'd assume

[shadow burrow]

but as standard for there operations in tajikistan, kazhakstan, mongolia

I really doubt they would have any kind of beacons anywhere near the airports they fly into

[reef isle]

surely NDBs wouldn't be too difficult to set up?

or maybe just VFR

you aren't going to land somewhere like that if the weather is shit anyway 😆

[shadow burrow]

I think they probably they had them just never used them

VFR is all you need for something like this

[reef isle]

yeah exactly

even modern day Paro for example is all VFR

even though if you really wanted you could put loads of waypoints and make it an RNAV approach

[rustic charm]

True

[reef isle]

(like they have done for some visual approaches in the US)

[rustic charm]

NDBs were most likely just for the cruise navigation, and then once you’re closer on approach, just go VFR

[reef isle]

yeah, I was thinking the same thing

NDBs, maybe VORs for enroute, and then just visual

[rustic charm]

Mostly no infrastructure, because Kazakhstan and Mongolia for example are really empty. It’s hard to realise just how much of those countries is absolutely empty grasslands. No roads, no houses, not even trees and lakes quite often. Just grass. Without any nav aids, getting lost is very easy. But at the same time, nobody’s gonna build the best nav aids there because they wouldn’t be used that much either way.

[reef isle]

yeah that's fair, AFAIK for similar reason northern canada and Russia relied a lot more on NDBs back then

[rustic charm]

Well I’m calling those countries empty, but quite a large part of Russia is the same too, just with forests instead of grasslands. No way of navigating really

[reef isle]

I guess that's also why RSBN works differently than VORs

I think that because the way RSBN works you don't have to just go directly from one RSBN beacon to another

it can be also be used for point-to-point navigation

although I've just started to learn about this topic very recently, so take all I say with a grain of salt

Although powerful VORs can have ranges up to 150NM (if not more), so you wouldn't need too many of them anyway

[reef isle]

this was my most unstable approach that I can remember, but I somehow survived

maybe picking a place that had a 500 something ft ceiling and then overcast up to about 2000ft wasn't the best idea for my first flight

also the controls of this planes are so unharmonised it's so hard to get it to do what you want, you need to do minuscle pitch corrections and HUGE roll imputs

I might have to use the same rubber bands to hold my stick back that I usually use to fly the 18 in formation to be able to do precise enough pitch adjustments

but that's what makes trying and flying different planes than usual fun 😄

[shadow burrow]

Big wings are gonna do that 😂😂

[reef isle]

yep 😆

although that was another common soviet thing

there's an interesting NASA report on the Ty-144 that says the same thing about it

[shadow burrow]

The tu154 as well has something similar

It’s really weird

[topaz geyser]

Hol'up, there's Yak-40 for DCS?

• multiplayer ready
• low-resolution cockpit 😦
• several bugs
• made for openbeta

Sigh

[reef isle]

Yeah, I think for some reason it was intended to be that way

because lots of soviet jets had that

not sure about the IL-86 and 96

[shadow burrow]

they are massive and have very small control surfaces lmao

I would imagine it is

[reef isle]

ahah fair enough

although maybe they're equally shit in both pitch and roll

[topaz geyser]

Not as huge as straight... A few small bizjets come to mind.

Like Citation II (and its derivative CitationJet) has straight wings as well.

As a result speeds in the pattern are comparable to a piston.

[reef isle]

aaah yeah fair enough, totally forgot about the Citation

[topaz geyser]

Light, I got Vref of 87kn once.

[dusty sky]

Might play DCs if I could get commercial airlines

[topaz geyser]

Another one is Eclipse 500 which has almost forward-swept wings.

https://minijets.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Eclipse_500_P3views.jpg

[reef isle]

woah

never heard of that

Not very knowledgeable about BizJets

but's that quite interesting

[topaz geyser]

Yeah it's a pretty obscure little jet.

[shadow burrow]

^love these

idk why but you see them doing biggin hill - stansted all the time at really obscure times of the day

[untold finch]

I don't think this is actually DCS, i think FD1003 was just flying over Western Georgia

It looks like Xplane

DCS isn't really suited to airliners in the slightest

[topaz geyser]

Yak-40 definitely does exist for DCS, but so does Yak-42 (I think) for XP11.

So @reef isle you'd need to clear it up for us :p

[reef isle]

Oh yeah it was Xplane 11

definitely no airliners for DCS

I just landed in Krasnodar

it was meant as a joke thing

[topaz geyser]

I actually wish there were... A flight sim is a flight sim, it definitely should be able to model an airliner.

[reef isle]

yeah agreed

curious to see how the C-130 is going to look

[topaz geyser]

I'm half tempted to install the 11 just for that thing (and for Tu-154).

Tho the latter was definitely worked on for XP12.

[shadow burrow]

Should try the IL14 as well

An24 is also very good

But the il14 is where it’s at

That was the first Russian plane I flew back in XP9 I think?

I picked up 9 right before 10 came out

[topaz geyser]

I don't have enough throttle axes for it.

[shadow burrow]

Haha

No anything Russian, old, free and made by either Felis or Parnik is incredibly good

Even some of the other stuff like the AN2 is good

[reef isle]

I tried it an it didn't really work 🫤

The trim is really strange

[shadow burrow]

The XP11 port is ass

But the one of avsim works slightly better

[rustic charm]

Apparently there’s a Comet in development for FS24

[dusty sky]

The comet

Wonder if they'll simulate the windows breaking because of the pressure

[reef isle]

It's a Comet 4

So no 😄

[dusty sky]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-turn-to-dust-finnicklomlgif-gif-6202351048420329284

[rustic charm]

Ngl, this is gonna make me switch to 2024…

(I’ll need a new pc too)

Really the only reason for now I see to switch to 2024 is the planes. PMDG 747-100 will be exclusive to FS24, the comet will be, the 73CL might be…

At least JF will get their current projects to 2020, which I’m thankful for

A300B4 seems like a wonderful plane, and, unless I finally get round to the 310 or get my hands on the 300-600, might become the first Airbus I learn

[dusty sky]

Are the flaming cliffs addons for DCs just lower quality versions of the normal add-ons

[untold finch]

They are lower fidelity - the systems are more abstracted and simplified, and the cockpit buttons aren't clickable, so you have to keybind everything

[dusty sky]

Ok might get the su-27 then who knows

How large is it in gigabytes?

[untold finch]

Dunno, I uninstalled it ages ago

Think it might say on the store page

[trim harbor]

dcs is 130 or 180 gb

standalone incl both terrains

[rustic charm]

Welp, since the sale is on, I got the DD Sheremetyevo. Finally I won’t have to suffer

Very nice effort by DD, the only thing that lets it down is the interior, specifically at terminals B and C. It just doesn’t even look good. I’m not even judging by accuracy, it just looks bad.

[mortal furnace]

@dusty sky flaming cliffs models are all high fedility, The only difference is there non clicky clicky pits, And for anyone that argues, NEVER EVER starts clicky clicky from cold because ins realism hurts there game play 😉

Theres a few modules that certainly need updating except im not paying extra for nick greys cash cow

[dusty sky]

LoL I literally just came home, good timing

How large is the su-27 in gigabytes?

[mortal furnace]

not big i prefer the SU33 looks sexier and is carrier based, Holds more missiles and is faster than the 27 and J11

there is a MOD to add so called clicky clicky switches in fc3 somewhere

27 and 33 is a preference fox1 requires more balls than fox3 to

@dusty sky you should be able to try FC3 on trial to from the ED shop

[dusty sky]

I don't even know how to work the su-25 so will be interesting if I do get the su-27/33

[mortal furnace]

SU25 is a ground pounder

big fat frog