Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[untold finch]

BMS is fun, I was really getting into the Korea campaign before I put my simpit in storage

but now I'm all in on ATS/ETS2 because I guess I don't drive enough in real life now

[trim harbor]

lmfao

im just too lazy to set keybinds up

tbh

[untold finch]

yeah it takes a little while to dial everything in the way you want

[trim harbor]

yknow

as long as its a combat flight sim that doesnt have terrible campaign and ai

i can cope

[untold finch]

yeah, i was really surprised by how good the campaign was

I'd heard all the hype of course, but experiencing it for myself was awesome

there's just stuff happening all around you like you'd expect there to be

it feels really natural

and like you're a small part of a bigger war

you land and taxi back to the ramp, and as you pop the canopy and shut down you're treated to the sound of more aircraft taking off to complete their missions

[hollow oracle]

okay, dont try to pre-launch the software anymore, let the app launch it

also, the automated GSX settings stuff in the fenix EFB breaks GSX supposedly

GSX has refused to start, i turned off those settings, now its starting

though couatl still says its timing out

[hollow oracle]

still failing to load the GSX menu

loaded, only took like 20 minutes

plane juice

yes, this is the 4th or 5th screenshot ive sent at this exact gate in cancun, with a spirit airbus, because this is also the 4th or 5th time im attempting this flight

the first 3 times were from the inibuilds a320neo being hot garbage, the other 2 times are from the fenix being ornery

and, knowing the fenix, this flight might also go incomplete

[lethal jasper]

Hadnt had any issues

[hollow oracle]

i have an infamous love-hate relationship with the fenix

its more 25% love and 75% hate

[topaz geyser]

Over Salton Sea.

It's shaky here... Requested 390. Underloaded 738 is a blessing.

[topaz geyser]

Winds at SAT were annoying... Ended up going in a bit hot and doing one missed.

After touchdown halfway down the runway.

The whole flight ended up aggressively "serviceable." Didn't help that I didn't sleep well last night.

Good night, ship 3766.

[shadow burrow]

Ctp day

[lethal jasper]

crooked parking (gate personnel scream)

[rustic charm]

Yep. Not actually participating cause there’s a bunch you need to do to be in the event and I’ve done nothing, but probably gonna just do an eastbound transatlantic flight (a return trip of what I did yesterday)

[shadow burrow]

May join you at some point

[rustic charm]

CTP looks crazy on Volanta

So much coverage

While I’m setting off from Boston to New York, although not on CTP

[mild zenith]

Omg

This looks so funny

[hollow oracle]

[rustic charm]

I’m one of those xD

[mild zenith]

Yes the green one

Have a good flight

[rustic charm]

Thanks!

I’ve done half this flight with live weather off…

I don’t remember turning it off

But it’s been so for a while I guess

And because of that, I was getting headwind

Compared to 50kts of tailwind right now

And because of that I had even an insufficient fuel warning pop up

[hollow oracle]

id kill to jumpseat on a fedex flight

[rustic charm]

Pictures of the flight until now

This happened in a span of 20 minutes basically

[trim harbor]

and round two

[full plank]

another CTP in the books

[rustic charm]

The rest of the flight

With that, my first CTP (even though not actually in the event) is over

[trim harbor]

holy mother of christ

[rustic charm]

Woah

What’s going on there for you lol

[trim harbor]

i really really dont know

weird

[rustic charm]

Were you at your T/D when that happened?

I’ve had PMDG planes go for crazy dives when starting descents

Most of the time now I just use Vspeed for descent now instead of VNAV

[trim harbor]

just a bit past, yes

i hate the thrust ratio on this thing

it feels unrealistic

[rustic charm]

Haven’t really noticed that, but to be fair I don’t pay much attention when taxiing

[lethal jasper]

Just go into FMC's VNAV / DES page and start descent early lol

[lethal jasper]

I dont get this one xD Had it on 122.8 before though lol

[mild zenith]

https://youtu.be/YQRslZqN8xI?si=S1pR4WbVdO2fWHEH

[alpine coral]

Do you get the context of this? 😂
I was doing a solo flight once and I saw it on my GPS

[hollow oracle]

Yeah, 121.5 is the guard freq, and for some reason it’s a thing to meow on there (even though it’s for emergencies)

[topaz geyser]

I think I heard someone meowing on guard only once, but at least twice heard controllers trying to reach NORDO people, and at least once successfully.

[hollow oracle]

every time i see the ifly max 8 i fight the urge to cry

i just dont have the money to buy another $80 aircraft, and i probably wont until next year

i cant even pay off the MD-11, i was like "oh ill buy it via my credit card, ill pay of half now and half later", and the bank froze my debit card so i cant even pay it off now, so im fucked

[hollow oracle]

this is where id put my fenix A321, IF I HAD ONE

instead, im stuck with the low res, broken mesh LVFR/horizon one

though, i guess its all not that bad, considering the fenix one is the CEO (without even the option for sharklets to cosplay as a neo)

ah, speed holes

[hollow oracle]

kona time

[hollow oracle]

i didnt know that, when your being guided into a gate, marshaller pointing right means HIS right

[hollow oracle]

thats funny, on simbrief you can see how popular aircraft are by the amount of generated flight plans, and right now the ifly max 8 is 4th, only passed up by the A320, 737-800, and A320neo

[shadow burrow]

Toliss 339 is good

[trim harbor]

hows the cockpit textures?

did they make them better like the y said b4 release or nah

[shadow burrow]

not great but whats lacking it makes up for in system depth

[shadow burrow]

oh yeah better than the inital screenshots

cabin is also better than anything I've seen come out of Toliss before

its nice

not incredible

but good

[trim harbor]

if it wasnt a fortune

[shadow burrow]

just wait till black friday

[trim harbor]

if even it's on sale by then

[hollow oracle]

im weird in that i like to track down people's irl flights to do in-sim

the only issue is when they have an extremely good sense of opsec, and dont even give any sort of crumb of info

[rustic charm]

That’s not weird tbh

A friend of mine is setting up to do a couple flights I’m taking on Wednesday/Thursday/Friday

As in, do them actually just as in reality. Same departure times and everything

[rustic charm]

Sitka - Juneau done again. No VNAV/LNAV this time

[shadow burrow]

doing KBOS - LGAV atm not a lovely tailwind

done the atlantic in 4h lmao

96kt tail atm

seen better but still thats good haha

[topaz geyser]

Learning the Whale.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/701682278912360492/1298209090538967060/Rotate-MD-11_-_2024-10-22_05.18.00.png?ex=6718baee&is=6717696e&hm=1137fbe66da0569ac657a2b4f825f10ce203329ac73f0b6179235595277c87cb&

It's super weird... Feels like Airbus with Boeing flight controls.

Also, it's the laziest, heaviest feeling plane I've flown so far.

Also somehow even more automated than A320.

[shadow burrow]

its younger lmao

2 years younger actually

keeps going up lmao

[shadow burrow]

not good

[topaz geyser]

I'm aware, it's more of a question of philosophy than age.

I haven't seen a plane before that in profile mode just goes ahead and climbs after you MCP altitude to the new one.

But it's indeed the prototypical behaviour in the profile mode.

Or that you might not need to touch the APU panel ever.

[shadow burrow]

A former lufthansa pilot once descibed the MD11 to me as one of the most advanced aircraft in the world in in the skin of a 60's design

its what the 737NG should have been

[topaz geyser]

You press "APU PWR" on electrical panel, it automatically starts APU and puts it on bus.

[topaz geyser]

Probably, it's definitely the most automated one.

[shadow burrow]

its good fun to fly because it feels like a 60's bird

but it has modern systems

[topaz geyser]

Also, the avionics was DEFINITELY developed by the same people who did A320, or at least participated.

The FMS is almost identical, the EICAS is very much alike, the MCP (don't remember what it's called) is very much alike as well.

Same push-pull knobs.

Tho they act a bit differently.

[shadow burrow]

funnily enough its not

[topaz geyser]

But the same set, same layout.

[shadow burrow]

the FMS is based off the airbus one but its a different model

honeywell did the systems and flight computer

airbus did there own systems with help from thales

[topaz geyser]

Yeah, overall, a very weird plane. I like it even despite landed her short.

But it's literally my first landing and was more of a systems learning flight.

Tomorrow (which is today) gonna spend a couple hours doing patterns in it.

[shadow burrow]

the philosophy's are quite different as well 320's are based of of an EFIS

don't really have the same thing in the md

Its a really big shame boeing didnt chuck the ACF in the 737's

this would have been so much better than what they did for the NG's

[topaz geyser]

Or max, to that matter.

[shadow burrow]

I mean they are trying to standardise flight decks

the Max, 777x and 787 all have the same 4 screens

[topaz geyser]

Yes, to not produce too many display units.

[shadow burrow]

same model as well I think

don't quote me on that

[topaz geyser]

That's why they shoved those giant 78 screens into it.

[shadow burrow]

but imagine this in a 737

[topaz geyser]

I think 717 had that.

[shadow burrow]

yes

they tried to do the airbus thing of all flight decks being the same

boeing should have covered just used it in the 737ng

I think this is one of the ones they prototyped?

for the NG

converted classic

awful

terrible

bad

[topaz geyser]

Boeing are obsessed with the continuity of the training, they want to lower the retraining cost as far as possible.

[reef isle]

I was talking to a friend of mine about exactly this.

In terms of cockpit design and system I think the MD-11 and 717 were among the very best, and proved that standardisation across different types (like Airbus) was possible, but it was the ONE thing Boeing decided to let it die with the old MDD after the merger

[topaz geyser]

That's exactly why CL, NG, and MAX have exactly the same layout, just drawn on different displays. NG and MAX don't even have a real EICAS, and that's in 2020s!

[shadow burrow]

I agree they had an excellent system at a time where they were highly respected as a manufacturer still and they let it die. I think that was the influence of MD funnily enough trying to keep costs of a new model down.

[reef isle]

Yep 😄

Just like MDD they got terrified of innovating

Boeing had plans for a 737 successor, and an A321neo killer for 15 years at the very least

[topaz geyser]

Granted, I feel like the next upgrade of A32X (if it happens) will start suffering from the same issues, and the 2030 A320MAX (or whatever they'll call it) will looks just as dumb as MAX does now.

[shadow burrow]

the ACF is one of the best flight deck systems available today even still. I'm suprised some manufacturer in russia or china didn't try and licence it

[reef isle]

Airbus is already working for the A320 successor, has been for a while now

The neo is probably going to be the final A320 iteration

Also unlike the 737, the A320, being a later design was designed to be upgraded a lot more easily

[shadow burrow]

the 320 cockpit is still fairly advanced but its been the same roughly since its introduction

[reef isle]

The 737 had no business surviving this long. Even the NG was a stretch

[shadow burrow]

just goes to show how advanced the ACF is because I would argue that its slightly better than the airbus suite

[reef isle]

Yeah, but it still works. Between the '60s and '80s aircraft technology was moving a lot more quickly than it is now, between the 737-200 and A320-100 there is an abyss in terms of technology, the two are barely comparable

[topaz geyser]

I mean, not for THAT long either.

[shadow burrow]

compare the 320 to the 220/cs "whatever"

[topaz geyser]

The MAX is the fourth generation of the 73.

[shadow burrow]

not much is that different

[topaz geyser]

Well to be fair, the 73CL wing has nothing in common with the 73OG, and the same is true for 73NG vs 73CL.

But NG and MAX do have essentially the same wing, with the only difference being the engine gondolas.

[shadow burrow]

the max shouldn't be considered a "new generation" the way I see it

[reef isle]

Consider that originally the 737-100 mission was a Fokker 28/DC-9-10 competitor, it was just Boeing trying to have a small size jet because they were falling behind the competition. That meant a plane with less than 100 seats.

Then a major US carrier told Boeing "if you make it larger we'll buy it", so they stretched it and that was the B732, and at that point Boeing discovered this market existed, but the 737 wasn't designed for this in the beginning, the tiny landing gear was so that it could operate from unprepared airports that had no equipment, but that made fitting larger engines very difficult.

Ironically, what Nolinor does now is a lot closer to the original 737 mission.

The A320 meanwhile was designed to be a short/medium haul plane for the "modern" market, which is largely the same mission the neo is fulfilling

[shadow burrow]

Its a re-engined 737ng with new wingtip fences

[topaz geyser]

I don't know why they didn't adopt the P-8 wing for the MAX. It's essentially a scaled down 78 wing.

[shadow burrow]

same with the neo

its just a re engined 320ceo

aircraft development has stagnated

aircraft optimisation has blown up

737 is how not to do that

[topaz geyser]

It went too far... They decided to discontinue the marvel that is 75 and then made a fucking MAX10. That abomination should not exist. What's the tailstrike pitch with full load, like 5 degrees?

[shadow burrow]

320 and e2's are exactly how you want to do this

I can't wait for stansted to receive the max10's

gonna be incredible

everyone already hates the max8200's

[topaz geyser]

The best tailstrike machine since the 722.

[shadow burrow]

"lets add 50 more passengers and add another crew member"

[reef isle]

Yep. Based on what I wrote above it is my personal opinion that the Classic, if not even the original should have been the last 737, and Boeing should have shifted to a plane that was actually built for the mission that the 737 ended up fulfilling "

[shadow burrow]

"make the galleys bigger?"

"why on earth would we do that"

[reef isle]

Leaving the 737 alone I find it hilarious how boeing missed out on the perfect chance to compete head to head with the A320, buying the C-Series

[shadow burrow]

the CS is too small

its built as a short-medium haul "lower capacity" airliner

and its the direct reason for the A319neo floping lmao

[reef isle]

CS500 would be just big enough to cannibalise a good share of A320s

[shadow burrow]

yes

but ehhhhh

I think if that was ever made then it would have been really really botched

would probably require a new wing

[reef isle]

Well, it would have been better than what Boeing tried so far (next to nothing apart from trying to drag their '60s airliner in the 21st century)

[shadow burrow]

that being said the CS's rocket at TOGA speed

[reef isle]

Maybe, but not sure. I think it could have been fine

I think it would have been more of an A320 to A321 kind of conversion

[shadow burrow]

cant wait for a good one to come out for a flight sim

hotstart need to be quick with it

[reef isle]

Should happen soon-ish 🤞

Apparently we were supposed to have some previews this fall

[shadow burrow]

even the A321 needed more advanced flaps and wing structure

[reef isle]

Yep, that's the kind of thing I would expect the CS500 to need

But overall it shouldn't be too bad

Better than trying to squeeze those leaps in a 737

[shadow burrow]

lmao

i'm still praying BA Cityflyer yeet there ejets in favour of the CS

[reef isle]

But jokes apart I think Boeing acquiring the C Series would be an awesome "what if", almost as interesting as MDD doing the DC-10-Twin and surviving as an independent entity or even acquiring Airbus

[shadow burrow]

especially with them expanding there bases in stansted and southampton

[shadow burrow]

or boeing developing the 717 further

717-200/300

would love to see one of those with LEAP's strapped to the side

[reef isle]

Imagine Boeing did the equivalent of a "narrow body" A330.

Started from the 737 fuselage, new wings, landing gear, 717 cockpit.

There you have your 737 successor on a budget

[shadow burrow]

yeah

alas

I'm stuck in 8200's

on the subject they just changed me from a 8200 to a non-BSI 800

fantastic

best news I've received this week

[topaz geyser]

There were talks about a 75 successor, then about restarting the 75 production, and then they spent years fighting fires caused by the MAX issues.

[shadow burrow]

757"MAX" would be good

just that on its own

[topaz geyser]

So it's anyone's guess what will be the next.

[topaz geyser]

I mean, just make 75 with the 764 tech, and they'd be golden.

[shadow burrow]

its not a complete redesign, and its a type of aircraft that would be very very well received by the market

[reef isle]

The funniest part is that Boeing have been shouting about "Middle of the Market" for what? 15, 20 years now? But the Max has had so many issues that they had to put the NMA on hold, that gave AB a huge advantage, as Boeing can't really compete with the A321neo

[shadow burrow]

ehhhhhhhhhhh

they gave up and made the Max10

an aircraft that is outperformed on nearly every factor by the 321neo

[topaz geyser]

MAX, by the sheer orders numbers, does compete with the NEO.

[shadow burrow]

only exception is capacity

[reef isle]

I want to believe that not even the most idiotic MDD manager would believe the MAX10 is even going to sway 1 single A321neo customer

[topaz geyser]

I don't think they gave up.

[shadow burrow]

because they care more about shoving people in than making a new plane

[topaz geyser]

MAX10 is a very specific thing requested by very specific clients.

[shadow burrow]

thats the only advantage of the Max10

capacity

[topaz geyser]

Yes, it's awful, but the client is always right.

[shadow burrow]

why you think ryanair have ordered 150 of the fuckers lmao

we still have a backlog of 8200 orders

[topaz geyser]

Look at the order numbers of MAX10, there're some corporate executives that are obsessed with that abomination.

[shadow burrow]

stg we are the only company keeping boeing alive at this point

[shadow burrow]

Its not the point. Its giving existing customers a really shitty reason not to switch to the A321neo

[topaz geyser]

Hate to disappoint you but no.

[reef isle]

But it's in different markets, especially when it comes to the A321, and a lot of them is due to the momentum the NG created, especially for 2 HUGE 737 customers (SW and RYR).

Even then Boeing doesn't have any answer to the A321neo (and its long range variants), that for now are the only avaiable stopgap for a good part of 757 routes

[topaz geyser]

There's a set of very loyal customers sticking to buying MAX.

[shadow burrow]

ryanair and southwest both do it out of necessity as opposed to anything

daddy o'leary already said in several instances if they can find something that works they would switch manufacturers

i think the name COMAC came to pass?

[topaz geyser]

Oh yeah, they are hardly a direct competition. The only ones bying MAX are those who are stuck with Boeing for one reason or another, but the thing is, it's more that few airlines.

[reef isle]

Yeah, but there is extremely little overlap between the A321 and MAX10, you can do a lot with an A321 that you can't with a MAX10. If you just want a MAX8 with more capacity, then yeah sure, go ahead, get the MAX10. Anything else? Forget it.

A good parallel would be the A321-100, that's pretty much what the MAX10 is, a longer version with more capacity, compare that with the A321-200 and you can see the difference 😄

[shadow burrow]

I mean shit if boeing start marketing that thing in america and europe It could probably compete a hell of a lot better than the max's can

[topaz geyser]

*MAX9 with more capacity.

[reef isle]

Yeah, but at the end of the day, it's mostly those two big ones that actually matter

[topaz geyser]

Yeah, that thing still exists.

[shadow burrow]

our 8200's have more capacity than asa's max 9's lmao

we can fit 197 in them

max we can get in is 200

thats with a galley removal tho

[reef isle]

but then Michael would have to add one more cabin crew per plane 😭

and he can't afford that

[shadow burrow]

lmao

EASA was already pissed about the 8200 only having 4 crew

its just a big middle finger to air safety organisations

I think the current plans for the max 10's is 249 seats

so an even bigger middle finger to EASA

[reef isle]

it's going to be the Boeing 737-10250

[shadow burrow]

thats insane for a narrowbody

absolutely insane

the Wizz 321neos have 220ish

fucking higer capacity than some 767 configs

[topaz geyser]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_and_deliveries
SWA and RYR are less than 20% of orders. United ordered more MAXes than RYR.

So they are definitely not "the only ones that matter," by far.

[shadow burrow]

I would be shocked if UAL actually get that amount

gonna take like 15-20 years at least to get that fully put through and by then the new aircraft is gonna be in pre production

or even out

so order conversions

[reef isle]

Apart from that I think they're still, maybe not the only ones, but I think they're surely among the most important customers, that will be more "desperate" to push towards certain goals, and because they still make a big part of overall orders Boeing is going to want to listen to them,

BUT yeah, it was a bit of an hyperbole me saying they were the only ones that matter.

Let's not forget AAL, that ordered the "737 successor" before the MAX program was announced publicly. Boeing certainly had outside pressure to make this forsaken MAX instead of something else, I still think SWA e RYR played a major role, but of course AAL for sure didn't help

[shadow burrow]

i mean we didn't order the max until 2 years post launch announcement

[reef isle]

yeah, but you're not going to convince me that there were no discussions whatsoever before then

[shadow burrow]

We were gonna order the C919 along with easyjet before sanctions hit china like a wrecking ball

[shadow burrow]

oh ofc

[reef isle]

ahahahahah, can't wait

Ryanair temu A220

[shadow burrow]

2010-2015 was a weird time for low cost airlines in europe

I think it was smartwings/travel service who wanted MC-21's lmao

might have been someone else tho

I know Wizz did as well

[reef isle]

https://airlinersnow.com/Sukhoi-Superjet/Sukhoi-Superjet-SSJ100-Brussels-Airlines-02.jpg

lest we forget

[shadow burrow]

yeahhhhhh

this shit as well

funny as fuck

I nearly flew on one haha

[reef isle]

ahha really?

[shadow burrow]

yeah was I think Gatwick - Geneve with some charter airline that had contracted CityJet

was a RJ tho

[reef isle]

nice 😄

[shadow burrow]

right around the time cityjet had got there first one

[reef isle]

by the way, what does BSI mean?

[shadow burrow]

Boeing Sky Interior

[reef isle]

oh I see

[shadow burrow]

this is one on an 800

non BSI on an 800

with the old seats as well

my one tmrw is 2008 built so it might still have these

the older they are the more likely they are to have the new seats

[mild zenith]

Which overhead bins do you prefer

[shadow burrow]

northern greece is getting some rain

decided against landing in athens with the current winds with near 20 tonnes of fuel

[shadow burrow]

old ones

safer for firefighting and easier to close

[mild zenith]

Ive seen passengers struggling with the new ones

[shadow burrow]

they are heavy

if you face fwd there is a little switch on the inside that makes it easier to close them

issue it its hard to tell if the new ones are properly closed or not

you really need to be careful with them

[mild zenith]

Didnt know that

[trim harbor]

i gotta fly on ryanair

it's a must as someone living in the EU

[mild zenith]

Yes

[shadow burrow]

you can kinda see it here

flip it down

bin is easier to push up

[trim harbor]

@shadow burrow do u have ur dec schedule

[shadow burrow]

nope

[trim harbor]

sad

[shadow burrow]

its at most a month in advance

so atm I have up to the 3rd week in november

[trim harbor]

ill ask u again in nov if i dont forget

maybe i'll catch a flight w u if ur flying to germany or a place not too far

[shadow burrow]

big chunk of annual leave in the middle because I'm off to Kazakhstan

[trim harbor]

BASED KAZAKHSTAN

[trim harbor]

lucky you

honestly

my schedule is 3 months in advance

which literally changes weekly if not daily

[dusty sky]

hello

I need help in setting up the MCDU on the inibuild A310

also what are these green particles

[shadow burrow]

flights were like 90 quid via istanbul lmao

[mild zenith]

go to assistance options, then user experience and turn off “aerodynamic visualization”.

simple google search btw

[dusty sky]

Sorry

[shadow burrow]

damn I did that quick

8h8m

[trim harbor]

who u flying with

[shadow burrow]

couple of my friends

oh

me rittardo sorry

Pegasus

[trim harbor]

my condolences

[shadow burrow]

1h20 connection in SAW as well lmao

[trim harbor]

SAW aint the new istanbul is it

[shadow burrow]

sabiha gocken

[trim harbor]

where the hell is that one

[shadow burrow]

asian side

[trim harbor]

bruh TIL it exists

mfw

[shadow burrow]

yea

its great

[trim harbor]

although honestly it seems closer to the city center

[shadow burrow]

its way worse

[trim harbor]

christ

[shadow burrow]

also holy shit MSFS who?

considering this is on 11 as well a "Last gen" simulator

[rustic charm]

Looks great

[mild zenith]

What replay tool do you use

[shadow burrow]

xplane default lmao

[dusty sky]

wait I thought that was msfs 💀

[mild zenith]

Oh

Me too

[trim harbor]

https://flybywiresim.com/notams/a380x-full-speed-ahead/

[dusty sky]

:o

[hollow oracle]

Sounds like that open alpha is imminent

[hollow oracle]

I’m going to complete a minimum of like 5 flying honu flights

[hollow oracle]

I hope you enjoy it, because it’s easily my favorite a/c at the moment, overtook the airbus a320 series

Classic trijet that beat the odds and is still in service, you get those classic McDonnell Douglas warning alarms, flies like a cruise ship but that makes it all the more fun, plus the automation is very intuitive to learn

[hollow oracle]

sounds to me like they kind of want to get it out within MSFS2020, that way they can have it guaranteed work in 1 sim, before worrying about MSFS2024

[full plank]

watch all the vatsim morons try & take the fucker to Innsbruck or something

[rustic charm]

I can guarantee you there are gonna be people taking it to Paro and Lukla

[hollow oracle]

since when was this a feature????

cockpit door video button actually puts it on the lower ECAM

on the HDW A321neo too, not even the FBW

[hollow oracle]

i only checked out the TFDi community after i bought the MD-11, and im seeing some insanely horrible dev behavior in there

[topaz geyser]

I'm not surprised at all.

[hollow oracle]

like, theres some extreme issues for a $70 product (cant fly holds, loops 360deg around waypoints on SIDS/STARS), and theyve been reported hundreds of times since launch and the devs dodge the question

i still enjoy the aircraft atleast, its a LOT better than the skysim one

[topaz geyser]

I thought you had XP12?

'Cause Rotate is unmatched.

[hollow oracle]

i wish 🥲

[topaz geyser]

Oof

[hollow oracle]

id love to try out XP11/12 and P3D, but i have $2.40 currently

[topaz geyser]

Do you... have at least food?

No like, seriously.

[hollow oracle]

yes

[topaz geyser]

Okay.

[hollow oracle]

never made enough to move out of my parents house, so im still living off of them for the time being

[topaz geyser]

How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?

[hollow oracle]

sorry, $2.64 actually, a whole quarter that i forgot i had in my account

[hollow oracle]

20

[topaz geyser]

That's normal.

In the modern world, at least.

[full plank]

P3D my beloved

[rustic charm]

About TFDi horrible dev behaviour…

You can describe it thoroughly with just 7 symbols

MD-11ER

[hollow oracle]

idk, that doesnt really bother me too much honestly

like, only 10 or less of those were built or something

[rustic charm]

I don’t really care specifically for the MD-11ER

But in my opinion locking up a whole variant, no matter how common or rare, is a no

(Or ignoring variants would fall for that. But ignoring variants isn’t as bad. At least they just don’t exist. Here, they exist but you can’t get them in any way)

[hollow oracle]

never flown the A321 at night, this light bleed is EMBARRASING

ive been 3d modelling for 2-3 years, and i can say from firsthand experience that it should only take like 2 seconds to sew together those seams to prevent that bleed

the strobes flash directly into the cockpit

[hollow oracle]

https://flightsim.to/file/81978/strobe-fix-for-horizon-simulations-airbus-a321neo-for-lvfr-a321neo god bless the modding community

wish i knew this existed before my flight and not during it though

[topaz geyser]

Wait, what happened?

[hollow oracle]

if you were in the first 1000 to pre-order, you got the ER variant

the ER has like 3 extra tanks or something

[hollow oracle]

i have like 70 hours of flight time on just volanta (so those are full completed flights), and this is the first time i have ever encountered an icing warning

[trim harbor]

I dont evenw anna talk about the flight time

Virginity regained

[hollow oracle]

employment lost

[full plank]

Forgot how many hours I have on Volanta

[hollow oracle]

i actually hit 69 with my last flight, which was also my 50th

[full plank]

Think I have something like 900 hours on msfs in steam

[hollow oracle]

600 of those were downloading the game though

[full plank]

Hah I wish

[hollow oracle]

holy shit

https://tenor.com/view/yay-screaming-excited-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-gif-12412662

i just did my first ever non-precision approach

both localizer and glideslope were not working for me, so i just went fuck it, ill do it live, and landed it by hand

pretty damn straight, and -400fpm (i know people dont like landing rate, but my point is, it was a really good landing)

you can tell exactly where i took manual control because i look like i was flying drunk

it actually wasnt as hard as i thought, just follow the PAPI and keep it straight, once your down to minimums its just landing like you normally do

im sure its even easier with localizer/RNAV, because then your only worried about altitude, and you can usually back it up using vertical speed

and honestly im sure non-precision approaches are even easier if you know what your doing, i just saw that the localizer and glideslope werent connected and working, so i just took over and did it manually, no setting a course, i did try vertical speed though

[mild zenith]

Is this a static image?

[hollow oracle]

Yes

[dusty sky]

I love federal express MD-11's

[rocky prism]

I'm not one for sitting down for long haul flights, but this may change my mind

Looks incredible

Manchester to Dubai I think

[shadow burrow]

Cool

Operating Ryanair UK

[hollow oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqpGrJe-Zmc

i love them

holy shit...

i just realized

the mouths of those flying honu mascots are the airbus windows

wait no, the nostrils are the windows, it has a seperate mouth, i was thinking airbus beluga

[shadow burrow]

I like them because they all look high as fuck

[alpine coral]

[rustic charm]

Honestly I like that livery because ANA genuinely went all out creative on them

[dusty sky]

I like ANA and Lufthansa because they don't seem super money hungry

[crisp adder]

ANA has the best airline food I ever had. Besides chop-sticks they also have metal cutlery which is rare these days. And the menus are diverse and really delicious, even in economy class.

[rustic charm]

Metal cutlery is so nice to have ngl

Also, having diverse menus in economy is quite impressive. I fly with Aeroflot mostly, and I can genuinely say I like the food, but in economy you won’t have a menu really. Usually a choice of 2 for the main course, and then a standardised set of everything else. If you’re towards the rear of the plane, you probably won’t have a choice of the main either

[crisp adder]

Yeah, the metal cutlery was a nice touch. ANA offered two main courses for lunch and breakfast, plus a vegetarian option that looked good, too. And from what I saw they offer different meals on different flights, as well. Legroom is also impressive.

[rustic charm]

Can’t say the same about legroom on Aeroflot lol

The meals are also 2 options for each, and usually different depending on the flight. But they don’t always provide metal cutlery sadly. Was just on a flight today, they had given out plastics. Gotta say, it’s annoying. I was in comfort class too, they usually provide normal silverware in comfort and business

[shadow burrow]

Swissair did me some fried eggs

Were exceptional

Best airline food I’ve ever had

[hollow oracle]

Looks like October 26th is the date for the A380? (Or at least the Q&A stream)

Though, “out of the hangar” kind of sounds like a release stream

[mild zenith]

I can smell the chaos

[shadow burrow]

might be time for me to renew pilotedge.....

[hollow oracle]

That massive PMDG 737 update is now live

A lot of good changes that were brought over from the 777

The one I’m most excited for is the ground services EFB app, you don’t need to fiddle around with menus and stuff anymore just to attach the GPU

[hollow oracle]

i thought i was being all clever by wanting to try and build the A380 just to try it out for personal use

it turns out models, flight characteristics, and textures are not public at all, so you just cant work on it

its open source, yet you cant actually work on it right now

[hollow oracle]

every time i fly the PMDG 737, i cry because its not a max

[hollow oracle]

oh what the fuck

im doing my first flight in japan since i got GSX, and GSX changes the accent of the ground crew and flight attendants for the country your in - great feature, adds a lot of good immersion

the only issue is that the "asian" (no other way to put it, they use the same voice lines in all asian countries) voice is like over-the-top racist, it is literally "herro" and "this way prease"

[rustic charm]

Welp that’s not entirely realistic either tbh

[trim harbor]

It‘s not really wrong though

For Japanese atleast, most do not posess the ability to speak English as well and keep their „accent“ as such

I don‘t really think it‘s racist ibr

[hollow oracle]

give me a sec to get OBS up, theres a line where it goes from authentic to racist or just over the top, and this is definitely over that line

nevermind, OBS crashed my GPU again

[trim harbor]

The issue is also trying to do an asian accent as a non Japanese or Chinese speaker

It‘s hard to get yourself into that

[hollow oracle]

true, but its not hard to just hire somebody who speaks english with an accent rather than try to fake it

but like, GSX is south park level absurd

[hollow oracle]

i cant get a recording of it because OBS keeps crashing my GPU

https://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,31714.0.html

cant find a recording, but im not the only one

hold on, the raw files are just wavs, heres a few samples of the worst ones

they took an english AI, with an american accent, and replaced the Ls with Rs and re-generated them

WHY IS GANGNAM STYLE IN THE FILES FOR GSX

theres also sounds for passengers complaining and being grateful for being upgraded/downgraded to buisness class, and handcuffs clicking

[hollow oracle]

oh, the marshallers dance if you get a perfect parking, in FSX it was the macarena

[rustic charm]

I agree, wouldn’t count it racist. Plus, to be fair, every speaker of English will have an accent of some kind too. I just wouldn’t say that using 1 accent for the whole of eastern Asia would work, cause there are still a lot of countries, languages and therefore different accents of English

[hollow oracle]

oh yeah, weather radar now finally works too, its the default asobo one, but i prefer that over just nothing tbh

[hollow oracle]

the ANA livery looks really sharp on boeings

its the thingy!!!

[mild zenith]

Been a feature for very long, I like it

[mild zenith]

The marshaller will do it if you park perfectly

[trim harbor]

@shadow burrow r u sure ryanair is stopping flights to LEJ

winter flight plan came out

theres 4 weekly flights to STN

[shadow burrow]

Ah maybe not then

[hollow oracle]

waiting a few decades for it to refuel

PANC-RJBB, im literally 3lbs under MTOW

they do this flight very often irl in MD-11s, no idea how, they even do direct flights from tokyo to memphis in MD-11s

[lethal jasper]

flightaware shows it splits RJAA-PANC-KMEM

[hollow oracle]

there were a few direct flights, seems all of them have been replaced with boeings though

im eating dinner right now, after ill go and get the specifics

[hollow oracle]

Why do you do this Volanta

For some reason it didn’t track that spot on desktop either, but on mobile it drew it as a line

It seems like it’s happened with other flights too

[hollow oracle]

absolutely crushed anchorage to osaka

ill do the memphis to anchorage leg tomorrow

[hollow oracle]

and with that flight, i have a new aircraft as #1 for flight hours

[shadow burrow]

International date line

It’s hard to code in a map that doesn’t do this

[rustic charm]

My highest flight time on a single registration is 26 hours as of now

On a 738, with 22 flights lol

It’s also the plane with the most flights for me

Meanwhile highest by average flight time would be a BA triple, with 12 hours total over 2 flights

[hollow oracle]

i never considered that, that makes a lot more sense

volanta on desktop had stopped tracking in that section too, and i thought it might have been a momentary connection loss or something

i wish volanta overlaid that line on the map just so you kind of knew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUh6f27glFI

im absolutely shocked, ||they literally didnt update anything at all ||

[full plank]

only thing one should do is just uninstall that flaming pile of shit

[hollow oracle]

and install the headwind one

its not great, but its LEAGUES better than the aerosoft one

[full plank]

haven't flown the Headwind 330 for quite some time, believe last I flew it was a CTP ages ago

[hollow oracle]

its basically an A320neo in an A330 trenchcoat, its not accurate, but it flies well because its FBW-based, and the external model looks pretty good i guess

it sucks that its the A330neo, because not many airlines purchased it compared to the ceo variants, but you can always just pretend it is a ceo

[full plank]

yea I know, I've already flown it 😛

supposed to have been updated, but most of my time until very recently has been spent on P3D

Vatsim is gonna be a hellhole

[trim harbor]

finally

[full plank]

finally will have a reason to do some Australia shit, don't own the 78 so a 380 will do

sadly I have work on saturday next week too, but might just phone up saying im unavailable due flying

[trim harbor]

i have night shift on both sat/sun

sadly no long hauls

i feel the pain

[hollow oracle]

POV Vatsim: "caution wake turbulence a380 super cleared for takeoff... caution wake turbulence a380 super cleared for takeoff... caution wake turbulence a380 super cleared for takeoff... caution wake turbulence a380 super cleared for takeoff..."

I may or may not try and make a flying honu livery myself

[hollow oracle]

I have class on Wednesday, and then I’m off from the 31st to the 3rd

[rocky prism]

Dubai is going to be busy

[hollow oracle]

ngl, i should set up a flickr for flight sim stuff

seperate from my actual photography flickr

though, steam and volanta work fine

[lethal jasper]

Cant wait to see 380s at KMCO gates that physically cant hold it like the 777s at CTP xD

[glass totem]

Doing a full Atlantic flight for once LAX-Manchester

Can use the daylight savings time to probably miss my landing

[hollow oracle]

https://youtu.be/XqgQAOfZYp0?si=hOaO9QpNPttDxAqA

if you ever feel like you had an extremely hard landing, just remember that someone landed so hard that they had to send a truck out to check the runway for gouges

[rustic charm]

Landing from exterior view?! That makes it so much harder ngl

[lethal jasper]

8 deg aoa yikes

[glass totem]

First landing in an a340

[hollow oracle]

can i say something controversial

im not entirely sure why captainsim gets such a bad rap?

obviously its not like PMDG or fenix, but the modelling is pretty good, and basing your aircraft off of pre-existing, very similar systems isnt the worst thing in the world (and is FAR better than trying to make it yourself)

like, their prices reflect the quality that your gettting, their a/c are $20, honestly i would even argue that their prices are cheaper than the quality that your getting (compared to latinvfr and bredok3d i guess)

though, im saying this through rose tinted glasses, the last time i flew a captainsim product was a few months ago in the 717

[glass totem]

And it’s back to the americas

This time to cancun

[hollow oracle]

i was going to try and do a flight out of JFK but i think i would go insane trying to fight through the 5FPS

[trim harbor]

they used to be reputable aircraft dev

who made quite high fidelity aircraft for fsx/p3d

fs2004

people arent pleased that the'yre doing whjat they're doing

[hollow oracle]

i think the only thing that you would be stupid to buy from captainsim is the 777

[trim harbor]

not really

it was the only 777 for like

2 or 3 years

[hollow oracle]

post-PMDG is what i mean

[full plank]

only CS product I ended up buying for P3D was the 75 & that was actually quite good

[reef isle]

CS was one of the best P3D devs

in some aspects better than PMDG

I'm (not really) sorry to hear that what they've become in MSFS made people forget how they used to be

THE CS 1011 for example, as far as I can tell, was better than the JF one

[trim harbor]

well

the reddit tards downplay cs alot

for no reason

they're not aiming to be pmdg

but people on that platform lack any sort of comprehension

not everyone who plays msfs wants to do accurate flights with full FMS etc

alot of people want to just fly and enjoy the scenery

everyone just misunderstands the audience

really

[full plank]

Yea much like they’ll fucking rag on PMDG any chance they get

[trim harbor]

in flight sim just

never listen to other people

the whole community is ripped up so much it's terrible

[full plank]

I only browse the flight sim reddit for screenshots & not the waffle

[trim harbor]

dont ever open the comments of a xplane screenshot

[full plank]

I personally fly Fenix & PMDG shit (like 90% of the community) but im not above ignoring simple stuff like for example the LatinVFR stuff

Even though the only lvfr aircraft I own is the 321neo cos I cba reinstalling x-plane

[trim harbor]

they just dont really have an aircraft i'd wanna fly

i really hope someone makes a mod for the aerosoft a330 though

i don't really care about the cabin

cockpit looks fine enough to me

[full plank]

Yea I mean im a sucker for the 21neo, most flown frame in x-plane & with the horizon mod its not too bad

[trim harbor]

yeah thats about what i heard as well

[full plank]

Obviously it doesn’t feature study level contrails nor any other gimmicky shit, but it looks & feels like a 321 & doesn’t end up in flames so good enough for me

[trim harbor]

see thta is something i too do not understand

yes having it 'realistic' is great

but honestly who uses any of the functions

all i care about is a working fmc plus flight dynamics

i cannot recall anytime where i use 90% of the other shit

it needs to be able to fly all types of approaches plus proper lateral and vertical nav and i'm good

i see everyone complaining 'ohhh it isnt study level, literal trash'

im still waiting for examples of when people actually use most of them

maybe im just too casual but i've flown since fs2004 and i cannot recall a time where i really needed it

[full plank]

Nah I mean you’re right, its great they wanna add a whole bunch of shit but come on

[trim harbor]

and i hate the term 'study level'

there is not a single msfs plane (airliners atleast) that are proper study level

the fenix is realistic yes, but for sure not study level

the cl650 is the most 'study-level' we have, idk if the FF777v2 comes close, havent flown it enough

[full plank]

I wish especially that most airliners had the same option as the FSLabs Concorde where you can disable the cabin altogether

only cabin I really bothered to check was the 73 MAX cabin for that gimmicky ass toilet but really I'd love to just be able to turn it off altogether

[hollow oracle]

ngl, its a cool detail, but if im not going to be like, sitting in the cabin at all, i dont even need it to be there

[full plank]

I don't really have a super duper pc, so all it really does is just bum my performance in the ass

im holding out on MSFS to see if it'll be better, but kinda considering switching sims purely due performance

[hollow oracle]

how is it that LFPG doesnt have any sort of scenery at all

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/mrwtf-gif-858359951733893891

every day i am in constant pain that i cannot afford the ifly max 8

well, i could afford it, but that would involve massive risks

hows the performance compared to the PMDG -800?

[lethal jasper]

Has it's odd switch interaction differences that take adjusting to

[rustic charm]

By default some airports just don’t exist

Istanbul International literally

[rustic charm]

That’s just stupid. “Study level” overall is. For now I see that something “study-level” means it just includes failures, that’s the main difference. And while I do sometimes have failures on, just because I want something bit more. But a plane without failures isn’t really something bad, as long as it has a nice flight model, good enough visuals and the necessary systems (the autopilot basically)

[dusty sky]

hm yes

think the controller is a bit confused

[full plank]

sorry to hear you were forced to use default ATC

[dusty sky]

?

what are you guys using that thing where you talk to actual people as atc?

[lethal jasper]

beyondatc if you dont want real people.

[full plank]

Vatsim personally but theres also IVAO & PilotEdge

[shadow burrow]

No

Just look at the Zibo/Levelup

Just lazy devs

[shadow burrow]

Yeah I would argue a couple of GA things probably will be?

Same with XP and the aerofoilabs stuff

Study-level 172

It’s easier to do with GA stuff because there are a hell of a lot of systems that you don’t have to model and the ones that do work fully are very simple

Flight dynamics that are “studylevel” are hard to do

Very hard to do

When you have full failure functionality for every single system like what’s it gonna bring you in a normal flight?

Odds are your gonna just remove the fail and carry on

[rustic charm]

Well with failures, you often won’t even notice them

[rustic charm]

Yeah, you can go VATSIM if you want real ATC. But in that option it is very real ATC, so if you mess up, you might get yelled at. An option if you don’t wanna talk to real people is BeyondATC, but it’s payware ($30) and doesn’t function in some countries

[topaz geyser]

And they didn't even make it public later or anything?

That's bs.

[topaz geyser]

"Study level" is a marketing term, everyone has their own definition. There are degrees of realism and implementation.

https://i.imgur.com/Hb9Wz5f.png

Imagine if Concorde had that.

MD-11 literally has automatic fuel transfer to balance the CG.

I had no fuel in the tail tank on departure, she basically pumped some into it in cruise to balance things out.

Smart plen.

[rustic charm]

Yeah they won’t make it public

[topaz geyser]

Unless it's a test version or something, it's quite a dick move.

[hollow oracle]

oh yeah, i dont want to spoil much about the A380 because i peeked at the presents before christmas, but, its a ||15GB|| install size, make of that what you will, and ||that does factor heavily into the performance||

[rocky prism]

Still waiting for the msfs 757 so thought I’d go see a real one again

[topaz geyser]

Holy shit.

Are they using ||8k textures|| or something?

[hollow oracle]

i would assume so, i havent checked

[rocky prism]

I think they are for top of the range performance

That’s insane, I’m gonna have to do a clean up on the PC

[hollow oracle]

well, the texture folder is ||13.7GB||, ||427 textures total||, so that explains it

[topaz geyser]

Jesus fuck.

Pardon the language.

[hollow oracle]

but obviously, this is a media build that was built on the 26th, so anything i say is very much subject to change, i can imagine itll be cleaned up on release and some last-minute bug fixes pushed in

||4k textures for the cabin and cockpit, 8k textures for the exterior||

||i did not take off with it either, i just did a walkaround of the model and started the engines, so i dont know about how it feels in-flight, nor the systems||

||im glad that its both free and open source too, i dont have to worry about trying out the leaked copy, the only thing spoiled is my excitement ||

[topaz geyser]

Landed with painfully hard touchdown with the MD-11... Not neccessarily a crash but really damaging.

Gotta really watch the speed on final.

[glass totem]

What reg

[hollow oracle]

i think i might bite on the ifly max 8 today

i can move a few things around to make it work financially, close but not dangerous, and with a few holidays and other things coming up, that should only last a few days really

[rocky prism]

G-LSAN

[glass totem]

Ah I’ve flown on 3 75s

LSAB
LSAK
LSAC

[rocky prism]

I’ve been on LSAA, LSAB, LSAI, LSAE and G-BYAY and another Tui one but can’t remember which

Also worked on a majority of the Jet2 ones when they were still flying into Leeds

[glass totem]

My last one was an emergency

[rocky prism]

Think I remember seeing that on Facebook at the time

[shadow burrow]

Jesus Christ

[rocky prism]

Had 4 at Leeds this year which was good due to coverage. Got to turn G-LSAJ from coming in empty to going out with only about 100 bags. Went like hell out of LBA

[shadow burrow]

Thats just overkill

Someone hasn’t heard of texture compression

[topaz geyser]

I see this hottie parked quite regularly.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/arg-01

Haven't caught her in flight tho yet.

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-never-going-to-financially-recover-from-this-tiger-king-joe-exotic-gif-17143372

[trim harbor]

flies like a bus

although

very good

better than the mf 787 for sure

[topaz geyser]

So, the A380's curse is finally broken?

For the longest time it was known in the community as "the cursed airframe." Since the FSX times at least five different studios attempted to make it for at least 3 different sims.

[trim harbor]

mattdavies

thats probably the most prominent attempt

it's honestly a well made aircraft, keep in mind it's free while you fly it

[topaz geyser]

Yeah, but not the first one.

[trim harbor]

it's still missing features, albeit considering it's an alpha release it's more then fine

im p sure ini too is making a 380 right now, it'll be interesting to see whichs' better

[topaz geyser]

Yeah, FBW are heroes.

[trim harbor]

100%

[topaz geyser]

Well I already can 100% tell who's gonna provide better support.

[trim harbor]

if ini continues like they did to their a320

[topaz geyser]

Hint: ||not ini.||

[trim harbor]

i dont think i have much hope for both 350 and 380

not to bash but their a320 is dogshit

[topaz geyser]

Wait, ini attempted A320?

[trim harbor]

visually more appealing, that's it

yes, 32N

it's a bugfest of an aircraft

[topaz geyser]

ini can do quality, but their business model is pure cashgrab.

[trim harbor]

rip xplane ini

they were good

till they werent

[topaz geyser]

Eh, kinda good. PMDG grade. A lot of things working, but some essential things missing.

[trim harbor]

performance was a big issue

[topaz geyser]

So I've heard.

I never actually got the A300/A310, even tho I wanted.

[trim harbor]

great aircraft, performance is or was miserable to say the least

as much as i'd reocommend them now, don't

xplane isnt supported by them anymore

people overreact so much lol

[topaz geyser]

Pal, it's Reddit.

[echo gorge]

The leak is a pretty mean thing to do tbf

[trim harbor]

Least terrible platform

[trim harbor]

It‘s not nice, yes but

[echo gorge]

Though that reddit post is rather insane

[trim harbor]

It‘s 3 days aways, not a year
it‘s freeware, not payware

It isnt the classical leak where theres actual money involved

[dusty sky]

Nuclear launch codes lol

Also this isn't some expensive plane it's literally free

There are payware planes that are worse

[hollow oracle]

And it’s not like anyone is forcing you to play the leaked copy

It’s one thing if it was payware, which it isn’t

[trim harbor]

first impressions from a quick TO and taxi roll

-missing vspeed calc (use simbrief)
-no taxi camera
-logo light dont work
-cargo doors didnt close for me lol

[hollow oracle]

Taxi camera won’t work, it’s a limitation with the sim itself, the PMDG 777 should have it too but it’s just not possible

And not sure what’s up with the logo lights, the switch doesn’t work at all

[trim harbor]

feels like it's disabled

i pray we get this soon : (

BTV works tho

biggest swag

[topaz geyser]

Well yes, because GTA San Andreas is the only videogame that isn't supposed to be a flight simulator, yet has an actual working and in-depth flight model comparable to default MSFS2004, at least.

Considering that it's the game that actually woke up a pilot in me and got me into flight simulators and then into real cockpit, it turned out to be a good thing.

Yeah, this guy has no clue what he's talking about.

Under 4 hours.

[topaz geyser]

(The reg is fictional but it's calculated for G550, G-IV's performance is comparable.)

[hollow oracle]

why is it, that when you see pictures of aircraft being constructed, that they usually have parts already liveried for pre-existing aircraft?

i noticed that, atleast with the tui one, the winglets and rudder match, do they livery those parts before putting them onto the aircraft?

[lethal jasper]

Easier to identify the plane in a assembly line.

[hollow oracle]

it was so expensive, but it was also so worth it

the only complaint i have is that the EFB is a little bit chunky to work through, though im sure with a tutorial ill have no issues

it is definitely the "fenix of boeing aircraft" i guess (or flybywire i guess, if you want to compare it to the same generation)

[trim harbor]

Payload loading

[hollow oracle]

Yes, but there doesn’t seem to be an option for a simbrief import there?

Simbrief integration as a whole seems very strange on that aircraft

[trim harbor]

Nope

Only routes

[hollow oracle]

Hm, the same with GSX too, not much integration there

[hollow oracle]

I’m fine inputting pax number and fuel manually, but cargo is kind of annoying, not sure what the best split between forward/backward would be.

[trim harbor]

I just load via msfs payload thingy

[hollow oracle]

I think I just need a tutorial to get an idea of how it works overall, then I should be set

[trim harbor]

Then try to get the numbers as near as possible

[rustic charm]

I just split randomly tbh

Like, 10.1 overall? I’ll go something around 4437 front, 5712 back

[dusty sky]

me when I program the 787 with ease but can't program the A320

[rustic charm]

I program/start the triple and the 737 absolutely fine, but got very lost and scared when I faced the A310 FMC

(Decided to not go into the FMC just yet with that thing lol)

The 310 is really missing the freighter variant

[untold finch]

When you've been in the depths of the A-10's CDU then not much can phase you

[rustic charm]

I’m so unfamiliar with anything military I didn’t even know those things had CDUs

[lethal jasper]

This is true 🤣

[rocky prism]

I've only had a few attempts at Boeing and MD, managed the MD-11 ok but the Maddog is still foreign to me lol

Flown the 737 twice at most and lost interest, the 757 will be the first Boeing I actually have a go with

Used to be good qith the Quality Sim one in FSX but that was 5 years ago now so I'll be lost

[shadow burrow]

hmmmm

once again the winds are fucking me

i did P10 fuel factor as well

like what the fuck

[lethal jasper]

Average snow wx in PANC 🥳

[rustic charm]

Surprisingly every time I’ve flown into there the weather was quite nice

PAJN’s always giving me more headaches

But tbf I don’t fly to Anchorage that often

[mild zenith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hZZ-DAvAEg

[hollow oracle]

another complaint about the ifly max 8, the external software is very strange

it launches headless, even though sometimes itll show a settings window?

and then, if it doesnt launch BEFORE the sim starts, your plane is completely dead on the tarmac, you cant interact with anything

[trim harbor]

everythin that has 'REAL AIRLINE PILOT' is just trash

it's so goddamn annoyhing

[hollow oracle]

that really gets on my nerves from a330 driver

EVERYTHING he does is prefaced with "i flew the 737, 787, a330, blah blah blah"

[echo gorge]

He does have some decent tutorials imo, but yeah the whole 'did you know I'm a real pilot?' Thing gets old pretty fast

[hollow oracle]

you know he tries to use that line to pick up girls from the pub

"hey baby, you know im a pilot on the 737, 787, AND a330?"

[hollow oracle]

another thing too, while im being nitpicky, i hate it when addons use EFBs that try to "blend in" with the rest of the aircraft

most of the time, from what i see in videos and photos atleast, it looks like pilots use regular ipads or other tablets

im sure there are some EFBs that arent tablets, but i feel like 99/100 times your going to see a stock standard ipad over anything

[mild zenith]

😂

But in this case he means that the software he is presenting is being developed from a real airline pilot

Which does make a difference and is worth noting

[shadow burrow]

you take them home after your shift usually

some will be weird like this but thats rare

[hollow oracle]

the one in the ifly is super strange

[shadow burrow]

I mean thats essentially what these are

will do load and perf calc for you and then forums and stuff

[mild zenith]

It's not super strange

[shadow burrow]

but its part of the aircraft as opposed to something you bring and take to work every day

[hollow oracle]

finally took off in the max 8

its very interesting

it feels like everything is in x2 speed, its VERY responsive

sounded like an aerosucre flight on takeoff, bank angle warnings all over the place trying to make the extremely tight turn to my first waypoint

[reef isle]

what?

you're the first person I've ever heard that describe the iFly's flight model as "very responsive"

[hollow oracle]

i almost had a tail strike, it was insane

[reef isle]

interesting

[hollow oracle]

and, im open to pilot error, but ive flown the PMDG one enough to have a good frame of how to operate a 737

[trim harbor]

the ifly max 8 flies great

[hollow oracle]

it definitely flies great, just a little bit different to what i was expecting

[reef isle]

everyone I've heard (including a few real pilots) have said that the iFly has the best FM in MSFS, and I wholeheartedly agree

[hollow oracle]

i am flying with an xbox controller too, so that is most likely the culprit as well

[reef isle]

well I mean, you were comparing it to other aircraft, if you also flew them with an xbox controller then it's really strange that the MAX felt more responsive

the tail strike thing is fairly normal, the MAXes have a really low landing gear and are all quite long

[hollow oracle]

i fly all yoke aircraft with an xbox controller, i have the airbus thrustmaster setup, but i cant stand flying yoke aircraft with a sidestick

[reef isle]

ok, I can't really make sense in my mind mind of how an xbox controller (that essentially is just a tiny sidestick) is better than an actual sidestick , but you do you 😄

[hollow oracle]

i mean, it doesnt make sense, its just what feels most comfortable to me

[reef isle]

Fair enough

I literally couldn't care less

It doesn't make an actual meaningful difference

[hollow oracle]

yeah, my point being, it flies different from other yoke aircraft even with the same controller setup

[reef isle]

Yeah, it's so much better than all MSFS aircrafts that it barely feels like a MSFS flight model

you can still tell it's no Xplane

but it's the closest you can get in MSFS

[hollow oracle]

ive also been extensively flying the MD-11 the last few flights, so that could skew everything as well

going from the MD-11 to the max 8 is like going from a semi truck to a corvette

[reef isle]

I mean, not sure I agree, the MD-11 is very sensitive to control inputs

when I fly I move my stick millimiters to do corrections

while the max feels a lot more sluggish

[hollow oracle]

ill record the next takeoff and taxi

doesnt the max 8 have built in RAAS and that airport display?

same with the flight number information on the main display

landing was not fun, it felt like i was fighting the aircraft when trying to put it down

[trim harbor]

airport display apparently not

raas yes

[hollow oracle]

i did disable autopilot, no buzzer alarm for some reason, and the autothrottle felt like it was trying to push me way back up

[trim harbor]

yall r psychos for being able to land with the ATHR on

if i have control i need full control

[hollow oracle]

usually i try to force override the throttle to get it to relax a bit, but it didnt feel like it override-d

i might need to bind autothrottle disconnect to my autopilot disconnect button

or like, bumper autopilot disc

hm, takeoff wasnt too bad actually, from the cockpit it looked VERY sharp, but from the outside it looked pretty typical

the imua one is my absolute favorite one-off special livery i think

so when updating the PMDG navdata, im getting the latest and legacy versions, do i do the latest version?

[full plank]

yea, the latest

its cos they found an issue with the built in navdata updater, so they're advising people to update via the hub, as before

[lethal jasper]

I like the iFly Max, the switch interaction takes adjusting from the normal (like PMDG, Fenix, default msfs planes), not a fan of the EFB. but thats just me

[hollow oracle]

i quite like the switch interaction, its different, but similar to the MD-11

[shadow burrow]

yes to the RAAS but the airport map is Operator choice

[hollow oracle]

I wasn’t getting any RAAS alerts last flight, and wouldn’t surprise me if southwest are cheap bastards and don’t have the map

[rustic charm]

Well tbf, all 737s have really low gear and the majority are quite long xD

[hollow oracle]

what am i missing here?

[rustic charm]

Always fun to just look at the originals - they’re both shorter than even the -600

That’s one of the reasons why I really want them too

[hollow oracle]

aircraft itself calculated everything just fine

i did figure out the RAAS system too, i dont think southwest chose to have it installed, but i enabled it for funsies anyway

well, fuck me i guess, i accidentally de-boarded with GSX when trying to reset pushback and ended up starting that entire process

[hollow oracle]

RAAS worked great, very cool system, sucks that southwest didnt install it

takeoff was completely normal too, not sure why the EFB calculator was showing it wouldnt work

no bank angle warnings this time too, officially overqualified for aerosucre

the aircraft really does not enjoy any sort of simrate, it likes to jump around really hard

the autopilot really does not like to keep a stable speed either, both with following the flight director guide and the actual autopilot itself

[hollow oracle]

it seems like 2x is okay to keep going semi-unattended, it just likes to bounce around pretty unnervingly because of turbulence correction, 4x knocks it off course immediately, and it does not like turns at ALL

which does really kind of suck, because a 3hr flight goes from a quick one sitting thing with simrate, to an entire afternoon without it, let alone something like honolulu to LAX, or even pittsburgh to reykjavik (which is a big reason i wanted the max 8 in the first place - the 800 doesnt have the fuel range)

[hollow oracle]

thats annoying, autopilot disconnect button actually doesnt work, and autothrottle disconnect is broken, you cant override throttle via force (keybind for autothrottle disconnect does work)

it started open climbing when i set my altitude to a descent altitude too, from FL320 to FL190, it started open climbing to FL330+ when i clicked altitude intervene

[hollow oracle]

crying, i was messing around with autopilot disconnect in flight, and i moved the stick to see if that would disconnect autopilot (it didnt, it went into some weird hybrid mode), and then i clicked the actual autopilot switch again and it disengaged, i couldnt get it re-engaged, so i had to land by hand again

i think i had to actually cycle the AP disconnect bar to get it re-connected again, but i wasnt thinking, i had to act

i still have not figured out how to properly disconnect autopilot via keybind

[full plank]

should just be Z

[rustic charm]

They make arcades about planes now?

A simulator arcade lol

[midnight whale]

TIL there's also Densha de Go, but for planes 😄 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8vPNpKItjc

[hollow oracle]

yuri did a few streams of it quite a while ago

its funny to me how, even though i have literally 80 flight hours in volanta, im still terrified of flying irl

[trim harbor]

thats quite ironic

[hollow oracle]

its just the weird feelings of turbulence and the plane rotating up/down, plus the sensory overload of having to go to the airport, check in, stuff like that

its all normal, and i literally know how safe air travel is, but its still kind of a strange feeling

anyway, im getting used to the max 8 now, i figured out the autopilot disconnect button too (autopilot off is what keybind its looking for)

[topaz geyser]

https://i.imgur.com/6vMjMiN.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1176840807551078472/1301125445000892498/IMG_0324.jpg?ex=672356ff&is=6722057f&hm=863c62f6189ff23aafd2ff7a697744889ae8369d10b870927c4ab386f8f8303f&

I'm kinda torn between staying off the network today on the day and being the sane person on the network.

[trim harbor]

just fly on ivao

[hollow oracle]

It’s funny how the A380 broke the entire flight sim community

The leak, VATSIM, and I can only imagine the hate FBW are going to get when people download and fly it, and realize it’s pretty incomplete

[trim harbor]

it's not that incomplete

most of the big features work

[hollow oracle]

As far as art and performance though

[trim harbor]

do we have a release time yet

[hollow oracle]

Yes and no, no specific release time, but they’ve said they reserve the entire 24h to release it

So it could be midnight tonight, or 11:59PM tomorrow

[trim harbor]

terrible

[hollow oracle]

If I had to guess, they’ll probably release it at a global friendly time after pushing some last minute fixes